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Airline Crew Sickened by Mystery Odor; Chaos Reigns in Pakistan; TV Writers on Strike
Aired November 5, 2007 - 13:00 ET
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DON LEMON, CO-HOST: The patron versus the matron. Oprah Winfrey promises changes at the girls' school she founded in South Africa after a matron is charged with abuse. We're live in Johannesburg this hour.
BETTY NGUYEN, CO-HOST: And whoever said silence is golden probably didn't speak for the Writers' Guild or the TV and film producers stuck with speechless actors. The writers are striking. And we're going to tell you which of your favorite shows are on borrowed time.
Hello, everybody, on this Monday. I'm Betty Nguyen, in today for Kyra Phillips at CNN world headquarters right here in Atlanta.
LEMON: And I'm Don Lemon. You are in the CNN NEWSROOM.
And we start this hour with a developing story. It's a mystery in the skies over Boston: what sickened a U.S. Airways flight crew that complained of an odd odor and switched planes? But when Flight 2022 landed in Boston, five crew members were taken to the hospital.
Our Dan Lothian is on the line with the very latest from Boston.
Dan, what do you know?
DAN LOTHIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, yes, it is a mystery. Continues to be because we don't know exactly what it is that made the five crew members ill. That includes two pilots and three flight attendants.
They have been taken from Boston Logan International Airport where I'm currently at. They were placed on ambulances and then taken to Mass General Hospital.
Any -- there is some indication that it may have had something to do with a carbon monoxide reaction. At least that's what Secretary Michael Chertoff is saying, although he did point out that he is not sure. But what he did say is that there's nothing about this incident to suggest a security issue at this point.
Now, just to back up a little bit. How this all began is this morning Flight 2022 -- it may have had another number at the time when it was headed from Washington-Reagan National Airport, to Boston Logan Airport.
The pilot said that they had some -- there was some kind of odor on that flight. They needed to turn around and go back just to have it checked out. They checked it out initially, didn't find anything, so they were placed on another flight. Now this is the crew, as well as the passengers who were on that flight.
Flight 2022 then took off again and came here to Boston Logan International Airport, but as they were approaching, the crew said that they were feeling sick. Some indication that it may have been flu-like symptoms, but we know that they were nauseous. So as a precautionary measure, they wanted to get checked out.
Again, it was just the five crew members, not the passengers. The passengers were removed from the flight normal. They came off the flight; they were not sick. But then the five crew members were transported to an area hospital to be checked out. And that's where we are at this time, Don.
LEMON: CNN's Dan Lothian. Dan, thank you for your report.
NGUYEN: Also today, democracy violently put on hold. So many people arrested that jails can't hold them all. That is the state in Pakistan right now. Day three of a state of emergency.
The man who imposed it, President Pervez Musharraf. He cites a growing terror threat and a court system turning against him. His opponents say it is a power grab, Musharraf's last ditch move to hang onto his presidency.
Whatever the case, you can bet the U.S. is watching very closely. We are waiting to hear from President Bush just minutes from now.
Nukes, the war on terror, U.S. troops just across the border. No question a state of emergency in Pakistan is sparking a state of anxiety in Washington.
Here's CNN's Tony Harris.
TONY HARRIS, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Do we care what happens in Pakistan? Why should we? It's a relatively small Muslim country half a world away. Their chief export: textiles. And their one main adversary is India.
But there are plenty of reasons why chaos in Pakistan would spell trouble in the United States. In no order, they are: the troops. Nearly 30,000 American soldiers and Marines are deployed immediately next door in Afghanistan. Remember, most analysts believe Osama bin laden is somewhere in a rocky range of mountains between the two countries. Al Qaeda would certainly flourish in a country distracted by a worsening state of emergency.
Then there is the issue of the nooks. Pakistan has them; India has them. They've already fought three full-on wars, mostly about territory and autonomy, and they still threaten each other all the time. It's safe to say that the world is safer with steady fingers on nuclear buttons. The next reason, democracy. Pakistan's current president, Pervez Musharraf, took power in 1999, literally took power. He was not elected. He hand-picks judges, generals and lawmakers. His last re- election, he got 98 percent of the vote. That raises eyebrows in Washington where the White House would prefer to do business with a government of the people.
Still, Washington regards Pakistan as an indispensable ally in the war against global terrorism. But it's a relationship that will only weaken if order and stability is not soon restored in Pakistan.
Tony Harris, CNN, Atlanta.
LEMON: Well, U.S. and Pakistani military officials were supposed to meet this week. But we're now learning, that won't happen.
And what about all that military aid to Pakistan? Huge amounts of your money.
Let's go straight to the Pentagon and CNN's Barbara Starr -- Barbara.
BARBARA STARR, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Don, that's absolutely right. The U.S. was scheduled tomorrow to have a two-day meeting with Pakistani military officials. That now postponed. No indication that it is going to be rescheduled. All of the U.S. military relationship with Pakistan now under review.
Listen to what White House press secretary Dana Perino had to say just a short time ago.
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DANA PERINO, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: Right now we have a review of all of our programs that we are supporting. We have to keep in mind that it is important that we fight terrorists there for all people, not just those there in Pakistan but for our national security interests, as well.
And the president has an obligation to protect Americans, to protect American assets. So all of these things are going to have to be taken into consideration as we review the situation.
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STARR: And it's a very tough situation, a very delicate situation, Don, because here's the ultimate dilemma. The U.S. needs Pakistan as a vital ally in the war on terror.
The U.S. military, on the other hand, does not do business with countries where their troops pull people off the streets and throw them in jail simply because, of course, they're dissidents. And as we see this violence unfold on the streets of Pakistan, this is becoming tougher and tougher as a question for the U.S. military to deal with. Consider this: 50 percent or better of all the logistic and supplies that move into Afghanistan next door for the war on terror there, come through Pakistan. So, the U.S. military in a very tough spot. They need Pakistan, but they really cannot turn a blind eye to what they see going on.
So, right now this review under way of all aid programs. Billions of dollars in arms sales, such as a $3-billion arm sale of F- 16 fighters, and that $80 million a month that the U.S. reimburses Pakistan for its operations against the al Qaeda and Taliban in Pakistan.
But very tough business now. A lot of questions as to what's going to happen next -- Don.
LEMON: CNN's Barbara Starr. Thanks, of course, Barbara.
President Bush has been watching the turmoil. This hour he talks about it. We're waiting for the president's comments from the White House. We'll bring them to you as soon as we get them.
And next hour, analysis from our chief international correspondent, Christiane Amanpour. She'll join us right here in the CNN NEWSROOM to talk about that and the president's reaction.
The state of emergency getting round the clock coverage from Arab networks across the region and beyond. We're watching all of them for you. Take a look at that.
GoTV is in there. It's a private station broadcast out of Dubai, which of course, is Pakistani. PTV, which is Pakistani state television, run out of Pakistan. AUG (ph), which is a privately owned station broadcasting out of Karachi. And also IBN, which is CNN's sister network out of India. We're covering that.
Also, we have our international fact-checking desk over there. And they are checking on all the happenings over in Pakistan. And we'll join them in just a second. So, we've got it covered for you: worldwide resources on top of this story.
NGUYEN: All right. In the meantime, though, re-run season already? The fall TV season is barely under way, and thousands of entertainment writers are on strike. They want a bigger slice of the showbiz pie.
Our Jim Acosta is live in New York.
You know, Jim, it's not just writers alone, because some performers write their scripts, and therefore, they're affected, as well.
JIM ACOSTA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right. A lot of people affected by this strike. And people are worried that this could last for a long time. And one of those folks who is concerned about how long this strike could drag on is Seth Meyers. He's the head writer and cast member from "Saturday Night Live". And Seth, you were telling us earlier this morning that this has the makings of being something that could last longer than a couple of days. Are you hunkering down for something longer?
SETH MEYERS, HEAD WRITER/ACTOR, "SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE": I think the guild is willing to hunker down, you know, until we get what we think is a fair agreement. We're certainly hopeful that it won't last as long as the last strike.
But you know, it's important issues. I mean, you know, when you think back to 1988, when the last writers' strike went for 22 weeks, you know, what those writers sacrificed for, you know, the younger writers benefit from today. And you know, we're willing to do whatever it takes so that 20 years from now the new generation of writers is taken care of.
ACOSTA: And so I guess if this continues the way it's going right now, "Saturday Night Live" this Saturday night will not be live.
MEYERS: There -- there will be no "Saturday Night Live" this week. That's right. NBC will have to either show re-runs or do something else with the time. So unfortunately, that's true. We will not have a show this week.
ACOSTA: And that's got to -- I mean, you have to have mixed feelings about that. Because obviously, you want to see the shows go on.
ACOSTA: You guys have been doing a lot of planning. It's not as if you just come up with everything this week and then throw it on the air.
ACOSTA: A lot of work's involved.
MEYERS: Well, yes. And look, I mean, I think I speak for all the writers out here. All of us would rather be going to work this week. We all love our jobs. We know -- all know how lucky we are to have jobs in television writing.
But you know, it's just about fair compensation, and, you know, media's changing. With new media right now and the Internet, I think everybody can see how television is going to change in the future, so we just want to make sure we take care of it with this contract.
ACOSTA: And gone are the old days of when you and I were growing up watching "The A Team" on Friday night -- maybe that was me.
MEYERS: No. I watched my "A Team".
ACOSTA: And those shows were paid for by 30-second spots. Now these seasons are available on DVD. They can be downloaded on the Internet. And the writers are not getting a cut of that action. MEYERS: Exactly. And again, you know, we're -- we understand that it's new and it's developing. And all we're asking for is that, you know, when the studios are getting paid, we just want our piece of that. You know, we're not asking for -- you know, if it's not generating revenue we don't want a piece of it. But if it is, if it's online and there are ad sales, you know, that's generating revenue. So...
ACOSTA: Well, part of what people don't get that, when it goes into re-run mode, when shows go into re-runs after they're canceled or not continued or whatever, those re-runs, the residuals from those re- runs, continue to pay these writers after their shows are canceled. So they depend on that income.
And if re-runs are gone or they go -- because of the Internet, the Internet and downloading, that changes the equation.
MEYERS: Exactly. So that's why with, you know, again, the advent of DVDs becoming so successful and so popular, and with the Internet and downloads and things like iTunes, we just want, you know, ultimately like the piece of that that we used to get on residuals.
ACOSTA: And we have the subtle imagery behind us, although we can't see it now, of the rat which is behind this van. And you were saying that you had an idea for a sketch perhaps in the future that this rat is a common thing around New York city. You see it at various strikes around the city. So...
MEYERS: If there's a strike there's usually an inflatable rat. We all were saying we want to write a sketch about the company that makes the inflatable rats. They have really bad working conditions.
ACOSTA: OK, OK. So no shortage of material out here.
This is why we need to get this resolved as quickly as possible, because guys like Seth have a lot of material to get on the air.
But that is the situation. And the last time this happened was 20 years ago, Betty and Don, and it cost the industry $500 million. So, a repeat of that could be devastating for the industry. If you extrapolate that out to today's dollars, we're talking a lot of money, a lot of people affected.
NGUYEN: Yes. A lot of people love their television shows, so a lot of people pulling for this thing to end as quickly as possible. Thanks so much, Jim Acosta, joining us live from New York -- Don.
LEMON: Hurt and anger, Betty. Oprah Winfrey talks about her feelings surrounding those allegations of abuse at her school.
NGUYEN: Also, Pakistan boils over and the Bush administration feels the heat. This hour the president speaks out on the growing crisis. We're going to take you there live.
LEMON: Also, can a good night's sleep cut your kid's risk of obesity? We've got the skinny on catching those "Z's". You're watching CNN, the most trusted name in news.
LEMON: It is 16 past the hour. Three of the stories we're working on for you in the CNN NEWSROOM, including this one.
You're looking at live pictures now of our international desk. Our Octavia Nasr, also a journalist from GOTV, which covers Pakistan, on the case for us there. We'll be checking in with them right here in the CNN NEWSROOM.
We're talking about Pakistan. Schools are turning into temporary jails there. It's day three of a state of emergency which critics say is a power grab by President Pervez Musharraf. The U.S. is watching closely, and we're expecting to hear from President Bush. That should happen in just a few minutes.
Five U.S. Airways crew members now being treated at a Boston hospital. They got sick on a flight from Washington today. Earlier, they complained of a bad smell on another flight. No passengers are ill.
Discovery astronauts now heading home. The shuttle undocked from the International Space Station to start the two-day trip back to Earth. The mission featured one of the toughest and most ambitious space walks ever.
NGUYEN: Stunned and devastated. Oprah Winfrey talked for the first time today about allegations of sexual abuse at her elite girls' school in South Africa. She promises to do whatever it takes to make sure her girls are safe.
Now, the suspect, a dorm matron, denies hurting anyone. In court this morning, the 27-year-old woman was freed on a $450 bond. She was arrested Friday, about a month after the allegations came to light.
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OPRAH WINFREY, TALK SHOW HOST: This has shaken me to my core. But at the core of me is a spiritual foundation and a belief that all things happen for a reason, and that no matter the devastation, this, too, shall pass.
And so, it is my spiritual belief, beliefs, and support. I've had friends who held me in their heart and had my back, and understanding that the most important priority for me here was to figure out how I could best help the girls.
You know, when I first heard about it I spent about a half hour crying, moving from room to room in my house. I was so stunned I couldn't even wrap my brain around it. But as I said earlier, within the hour I pulled myself together and started making calls and preparing for what to do next and how to best look after the girls.
(END VIDEO CLIP) NGUYEN: OK. So here's what's happening next. Teachers are now acting as dorm parents. And word is the school's headmistress will also be leaving.
Coming up a little bit later in the CNN NEWSROOM, we are going to talk with Dr. Bruce Perry, a well-known child psychiatrist, about the girls' school scandal. Dr. Perry traveled with Oprah Winfrey to Africa after the scandal broke. That live interview is coming up at 3:30 Eastern.
LEMON: They still don't know who she is, but authorities in Southern Texas want Baby Grace to know she hasn't been forgotten. The body of a nameless unknown little girl was found last week in a storage box in Galveston Bay. And immediately, the case touched a nerve.
Lois Gibson of the Houston Police Department drew the sketches.
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LOIS GIBSON, HOUSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT: And I wanted to get her identified, because I want to get justice for her.
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LEMON: About 125 people attended an emotional vigil yesterday to honor the toddler's life. They built a cross on the island where she was found.
The first deputies to arrive at the scene last week were back yesterday, but they are reportedly too upset to talk about that case.
Well, those police sketches have brought in hundreds of leads. Many people have called to suggest that Baby Grace is actually Madeleine McCann, the British girl who disappeared from Portugal back in May.
CNN's Heidi Collins talked about this angle with a member of the Galveston County Sheriff's Office.
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HEIDI COLLINS, CNN ANCHOR: Can you tell us the latest on that? Any idea whatsoever if this could possibly be the little girl that we're looking at?
MAJ. RAY TUTTOILMONDO, GALVESTON COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE: Actually, about 30 minutes ago I got a phone call from a detective in England that was touching base with us to offer their help in confirming what we have been working with, with the Madeleine McCann case. We feel very confident at this point, though, this is not going to be Madeleine.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
LEMON: The cause of death here hasn't been determined, but police are treating it as a homicide. When she was found, Baby Grace had been dead at least two weeks, according to the medical examiner.
NGUYEN: Well, the former prosecutor -- federal prosecutor, that is, might have smelled trouble, but he did not. Coming up in the NEWSROOM, the trouble with one of Fred Thompson's top campaign advisors and Thompson's explanation.
NGUYEN: All right. The latest casualty of the mortgage and housing crisis is the biggest yet: the CEO of the nation's largest financial company.
Susan Lisovicz is at the New York Stock Exchange with details on what led to this shakeup. This is huge, Susan.
SUSAN LISOVICZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It's huge, and the losses are huge. It's all about accountability. That's why they get paid the big bucks. Right?
For the second time in a week, the head of a major financial services firm is stepping down. Citigroup's Charles Prince says he's retiring after four years as the company CEO, just five days after Stanley O'Neal said he was leaving Merrill Lynch.
Prince said in a statement that was the only honorable course for him to take, given the losses in Citi's mortgage-backed securities businesses, and they are huge losses. Citi said it will write down from $8 to $11 billion in losses tied to risky mortgages.
Former treasury secretary Robert Rubin, chairman of Citi's board now, the head of Citi's European unit, will serve as interim CEO until a replacement can be found -- Betty.
NGUYEN: All right. Here's something interesting, Susan. A lot of times, the stock will actually go up when there's a management shake-up. That's not happening at Citi.
LISOVICZ: That's right. And it really tells us a lot. Citi shares, in fact, are down nearly 6 percent. The reason why investors are selling, Betty, is because no one knows the full extent of the losses connected to the sub prime meltdown yet. The market hates uncertainty.
For that matter, we don't even know who will succeed Prince. And it's an enormous task to run Citigroup, because it's an enormous company, formed by several large acquisitions, including Salomon Brothers and The Travelers Group. Prince never really succeeded in pulling those disparate pieces together.
Citi says, despite the difficulties, it will not cut its dividend. Citi's shares sold off that week over fears that that would happen.
And the company says it expects to regain its financial footing in the second quarter of the year, but the company says, due to certain -- uncertain market conditions, it will not issue any financial forecasts. That's yet another sign of uncertainty.
LISOVICZ: In the next hour of NEWSROOM, why you really need to have your chips cashed in to keep on trucking. The high cost of diesel, in the next hour.
Betty and Don, I don't think either of your cars require that...
NGUYEN: No, don't have a diesel.
LISOVICZ: ... but lots of folks -- lots of folks do.
NGUYEN: All right, Susan. Looking forward to that. Thank you.
LISOVICZ: You're welcome.
LEMON: Well, guess who played Barack Obama on "Saturday Night Live"? If you didn't see it, you might not believe it. The answer coming up in the NEWSROOM.
DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everyone, I'm Don Lemon, live at the CNN world headquarters in Atlanta.
BETTY NGUYEN, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Betty Nguyen in for Kyra Phillips today. Imposed on Saturday, brutally enforced today. A state of emergency in Pakistan. And we have breaking coverage. You are in the CNN NEWSROOM.
LEMON: A state of emergency imposed on Saturday, brutally enforced today. A breaking story out of Pakistan where thousands of lawyers, opposition leaders and journalists are behind bars. President Pervez Musharraf says he's trying to fend off terror threats and a court system that's turning against him. His critics say he is staging a second coup. Let's bring in Eric Margolis is on the phone now. He is a columnist and expert on the region. From what I've been hearing watching the coverage, there, Mr. Margolis, first of all, thanks for joining us.
I'm hearing that, you know, Pervez Musharraf is used to depending on three things. They call it the 3 A's. Allah, America and the Army. It appears that America, considering what the Secretary of State and the President have said, is not standing behind him. Now, he has Allah and I guess the army. How long will the army last?
ERIC MARGOLIS, MIDDLE EAST EXPERT: Well, that's the 64,000 rupee question. One of the reasons that Musharraf staged this palace coup or tightened up his rule is the fact there was growing unrest inside Pakistan's 575,000-man army. Unrest that the army was being used to fight Pakistanis, tribesmen in the autonomous regions along the border of Afghanistan and in (INAUDIBLE) under American pressure and there was unrest soldiers thought Pakistan shouldn't be fighting its own people. LEMON: Now, what does this mean? You said that, in just talking to you before you said, you want to talk about the rising war and unrest there in Pakistan. But also, as it relates to the war on terror in Afghanistan.
MARGOLIS: Yes. The U.S. has been trying to -- we have been trying to employ Pakistan's army as sort of a secondary fighting army, to operate in the tribal territories against pro-Taliban Ashton (ph) tribesmen, and also even to be used inside Afghanistan. Again, this is generated intense dismay in Pakistan. Musharraf's popularity ratings have dropped down into single digits. Now, for the first time he is being called pharaoh by opponents. Well, we heard these same terms used against the gods in Egypt and the shahs in Iran. And it means that one of America's most important closes allies is very deep trouble.
LEMON: And for a long time, and I have to ask you this question, for the average American because most people are not steeped in knowledge about this. I say most people about the intricacies of what's happening with Pakistan. We've been so focused on the war in Iraq. Have we been focused on the wrong thing or should there have been more focus on Pakistan?
MARGOLIS: Definitely. I've been writing this for years that Pakistan is an enormously strategic country; that the fate of our operations in Afghanistan depends on what happens in Pakistan. It's the rear supply logistics area. We have air bases in Pakistan that are supporting the war in Afghanistan. It's our entry into the Central Asian energy market.
LEMON: Yes. Before we have to move on, I want to talk about this. It's going to be very important to see how Benazir Bhutto handles this and what her reaction is going to be. That's going to make all the difference.
MARGOLIS: Her response is going to be pivotal. So far, she had said nothing yet. She has not come out and opposed the military crackdown. She represents the biggest political party in Pakistan. She's the most popular Democrat politician. Everyone is waiting to hear what she's going to say. I contacted her this morning. I have not heard back from her yet. The whole world is watching.
LEMON: So Eric Margolis, if you do hear back from her, will you please get back in touch with us. Yes, indeed. Eric Margolis, thank you for joining us today in the CNN NEWSROOM.
The state of emergency getting round the clock coverage from Arab networks across the region and beyond. We're checking all of them out. We've got four that we're watching here. At least. Worldwide resources including our international desk. Octavia Nasser is familiar with here. But also a journalist who is visiting us from GOTV who covers Pakistan stories. We will be all on top of this breaking news story, all day long right here in the CNN NEWSROOM. We'll check in with them straight ahead.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) LEMON: We're covering the state of emergency in Pakistan today here in the CNN NEWSROOM. I'm at our international desk. And joining me now, this is what we are looking at here. Monitors, all sorts of networks when it comes to Pakistan. And joining me is CNN's Octavia Nasr. You're familiar with her. She's on all the time, but also journalist from GOTV. Tell me what you guys are looking at. Because you're monitoring everything. All of the channels (INAUDIBLE) in every language.
OCTAVIA NASR, SENIOR EDITORS ARAB AFFAIRS: Right. As a matter of fact, if you look at the display here, you're seeing GOTV, which is an independent television station that broadcasts worldwide. Here we're looking at some Arabic websites. Very interesting to look at Pakistan TV. This is the government TV station. And this man is dead. Just to let our viewers know, that this man is dead. So, Pakistan TV is broadcasting this show. It's a literary show discussing books and philosophy.
LEMON: While all of this is going on over there.
NASR: While all of this is going on. Look at this screen. There's nothing on the screen that indicates a state of emergency. Compare that to GOTV, and you see here, the siren flashing, you read the words in Urdu emergency and then in English emergency, here you go. Their coverage wall-to-wall on the state of emergency.
LEMON: And if you look at the emergency, the clock is from 53 hours ago. That was when the state of emergency started there. So, they are counting up or counting at least how long this is going to be. You have been covering it. Tell our viewers your name, sir.
MAJID SIDOIOUI, GEO TV PRODUCER: My name is Majid Sidoioui.
LEMON: And so you cover news GOTV but you are based in Dubai, correct?
SIDOIOUI: No, I am based on Pakistan.
LEMON: You're based in Pakistan.
SIDOIOUI: One of the GOTV's new TV channel is GO English. I work for them as a reporter and producer.
LEMON: So, give us some insight on what's going on, what we're seeing here.
SIDOIOUI: Basically, you can see the difference between the different TV channels, the government TV channel and the private channels that being averted from Pakistan. This is (INAUDIBLE) TV which is presenting the former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto's press conference. And you can see the difference there. There's GOTV which is one of the very popular TV channels.
LEMON: As a journalist in some of the covers there, tell us what we're seeing and what should be Americans concern with this all of this as it relates to how you cover news. SIDOIOUI: America has a lot of mistakes in Pakistan and America has been supporting in fact different political figures and different political --
LEMON: Musharraf is one of them.
SIDOIOUI: Musharraf is one of them. Musharraf is being supported by Americans and when he came on the scene in 1999. At the time, Clinton was the president of America and there was a feel that President Clinton is not supportive of Musharraf. But when the regime changed here in America, then the Republican came on the scene, there is a great feeling in Pakistan that Musharraf, without the support of America, Musharraf cannot continue.
LEMON: And we said it earlier, it was Allah, America and the army. And it appears that he may only have Allah now and America's not behind him and who knows how long the army is going to stand behind him. We thank you for joining us and we want everyone to know that these guys will be here monitoring this. What do you want to say real quickly?
NASR: You know, one more thing that's very important. The media in Pakistan, especially the independent media, suffered a lot under General Musharraf. And you can see now the result, now they're taking this to an extreme. Basically, warning that this is very dangerous what happened and they want to see a conclusion to it quickly.
LEMON: Absolutely, thank you both for joining us. They're on top of it. Continue to work it. I won't keep you any longer. Betty, we're going to continue to watch this and we're going to throw it back to you.
NGUYEN: All right, we're going to tell you about this.
To sleep per chance to stay thinner. OK, so it's not Shakespeare but it is a study that links sleeping to childhood obesity. We're going to weigh the evidence.
NGUYEN: You know, one of the crowning achievements of parenthood, is getting your kids to fall asleep and stay asleep. Now, there is evidence that it's good for your children's health. CNN's Elizabeth Cohen has more on the importance of a good night's sleep. I think I could use that advice as well.
ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know what, every parent knows that if your kid doesn't sleep at night, they are going to be grumpy, right? You don't sleep at night and they're going to be grumpy the next day. They're not going to behave well. They're not going to pay attention. All of those things. But parents, did you know that if your child doesn't get enough sleep, they are more likely to get fat. That's right. This is a study from the American -- from the journal called "Pediatrics" put up by the American Academy of Pediatrics that says that kids who get more sleep are less likely to be overweight. In fact, it's a lot less likely. Take a look at this number. When kids get -- this is how much sleep kids need to have. And when kids don't get enough sleep, they are much more likely to be fat.
Each hour of sleep that they do get makes them 20 percent less likely to be overweight. Now, the reason for this relationship between sleep and weight, it's not really known. It might be as simple as when kids are tired they don't exercise a lost, so they get fatter, or might have something to do with hormones.
NGUYEN: Well, can I have that first graphic again because it showed that the younger children, they only need 8 to 10 but the teenagers' need 9 to 11. Is that had to do school work?
COHEN: Isn't that amazing. It has to do with their biological rhythms. Kids in the teen years. Their bodies are going through a lot, those hormones are raging. I was surprised to learn that teenagers need more sleep than school age kids. So like your 8-year- old might only need 8 to 10 hours but your 16-year-old is going to need 9 to 11 hours. And Betty, when teachers - I'm sorry, when school systems had changes this start time for the school day by an hour, no, later by an hour. So, my sister is going to leave 6 in the morning.
NGUYEN: Oh gosh, that's because she's little right?
COHEN: No. She's 14. She needs that 9 to 11 hours.
Most schools are doing the opposite. Most schools are saying let's start an hour later for the teenagers. They can sleep an hour more in the afternoon and test scores go up.
NGUYEN: You know, OK, 10 hour as day. That's difficult, though. I mean with the computer, instant messaging, you know cell phones, how are you going to get them to sleep that long.
COHEN: Well, there are two tips for parents. And the first is get that technology out of the room. Get the computer out of the room after a certain time, get the TV out of the room. Because it really is the technology that keeps them up late. Another piece of advice, this sounds so crazy, is get your teen to take a nap. I know that sounds like something toddlers do. But if you can just get your teenager to nap even just half an hour or so after school, it can make a world of difference. Just like a toddler.
NGUYEN: So, what, I'll keep them from sleeping at night because they've already get that little bit?
COHEN: Not necessarily. I mean, with the experts, we talk, they said naps really might be the way to go. If you can't get the teenager to get to bed in normal hours, say that's fine, but when you come home, just rest, just lie down a bit.
NGUYEN: Maybe that will work for us. Tell our boss we need a nap. All right. Thank you.
LEMON: I'm a big fan of the nap.
NGUYEN: Weekend mornings, you got to have a nap to get through.
LEMON: Can you imagine, someone saying, you know, you got to go to sleep now.
NGUYEN: Wouldn't that be lovely. Because when you're a kid, you hate taking those naps. Don't make me go to sleep but now you would kill for one. Thank you, Elizabeth.
COHEN: Is it that amazing.
LEMON: Kids, do it now. Because, there's going to come a day when you can't do it. Thanks.
Time now for politics. Well, Fred Thompson's campaign has a law and order problem. Thompson has been using a private jet owned by his advisor, Phillip Martin. There is nothing wrong with that, except it turns out Martin has a criminal past including a guilty plea to selling marijuana and no contest to moving cocaine. Thompson, the former Federal Prosecutor says he didn't know.
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FRED THOMPSON, (R) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I wish I'd known about it earlier. Phil, I'm sure he knows that he should have told me about this, but he thought it was over and done with and forgotten about. I'm sure. But of course, nothing is ever over and done with and forgotten about in this business.
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LEMON: Well, the big story among Democrats, they're all out to get the front-runner who happens not to be John Edwards. Edwards led the way in attacking Hillary Clinton and now others are taking their shots. Today, Edwards tells Wolf Blitzer, Clinton was wrong to cast the senate vote supporting President Bush that gave a terrorist designation to Iran's revolutionary guard.
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JOHN EDWARD, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I believe this is the wrong thing to do and I think it's particularly wrong to do when you're running for president of the United States and you're saying that you're going to stop Bush from taking military action in Iraq. If you're going to stop Bush from taking -- excuse me. If you're going to stop Bush from taking military action in Iran, then when this opportunity presents itself, you have to stand up and make clear that you're going to stand your ground.
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LEMON: Well, Clinton's opponents say she's bobbing and weaving a somewhat smaller matter. And now she's admitting she could have been clearer during Tuesday's debate on allowing the illegal immigrants to apply for driver's licenses. In Iowa on Sunday, Clinton said, she broadly supports a licensing plan of several governors, including Eliot Spitzer of her state of New York, whose proposal is under fire from many conservative. And here's that surprise we were telling you about. A guy turned up playing Barack Obama on "Saturday Night Live." Here he is, trick or treating at the Clintons.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, who is that under there?
BARACK OBAMA, (D) PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Hello Hillary, hello, Bill.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nice to see you Barack. So, you dressed as yourself.
OBAMA: Well, you know, Hillary, I have nothing to hide. I enjoy being myself. I'm not going to change who I am just because it's Halloween.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well then, that's great.
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LEMON: That is how Obama spent his Saturday night. He spent the day, guess what, criticizing Hillary Clinton. Looks like he spent the evening doing it as well.
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NGUYEN: Yes, it's a primo definitely.
NGUYEN: Folks don't go anywhere else. Also, an Iraqi family moves to Atlanta for the grown-ups. It might as well be mars. But for the kids it is all good, especially the Cheetos (ph).
NGUYEN: All right, is it fight or flight. Well, for a growing number of Iraqi's it is definitely the latter. The Iraqi Red Crescent Organization reports a spike in the number of people who fled their homes as war rages around them. The number of internally displaced people or IDPS jumped 19 percent from August to September. More than 2.2 million Iraqi's are displaced. 65 percent of whom are under the age of 12.
Well, Iraq was just simply too dangerous but the U.S. is terribly confusing for an extended family of Iraqi Christians. CNN's Arwa Damon shows that how they are trying to build a completely different life right here in Atlanta.
ARWA DAMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This is 12-year-old Ronny's first glimpse of America.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's a baseball stadium.
DAMON: Ronny and his family have spent three years in Turkey, dreaming of this moment. Sanctuary in the United States. The Toma's are Iraqi Christians, who fled their homeland after insurgents killed a family member who was working for the U.S. army. Now they are desperate to start over.
ELLEN BEATTIE, INTERNATIONAL RESCUE COMMITTEE: Welcome. I'm Ellen. I know that it's going to seem like a lot. But compared to what you've already done it's nothing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Explain the rights first. And then we will move to responsibility.
DAMON: Helping them settle in is the International Rescue Committee. Ronny and his sister Raghed adapt quickly. To them, the supermarket is a playground. But older members of the family look dazed and lost, as if exhausted by the family's long journey from Baghdad. It's the same at school. The youngest soak up the lessons.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: House. This is your address.
DAMON: And quick to show off when they get home. But the older members of the family struggle with more than just English.
RYAN TOMA, IRAQI REFUGEE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): It's like being blind. We don't know anything.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): I don't know what it all is. One guy says its cholesterol. Someone else tell me it's not.
DAMON: And for a father used to protecting his family, a feeling of helplessness. He worries about money and lack of work.
GEORGES TOMA, IRAQI REFUGEE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): If we could just get work, life would be more normal. But if we don't interact, if we don't work, how can we live.
DAMON: The family matriarch Isin Yelda lost two sons to war in Iraq. Now age 76, she is just relieved to leave her homeland behind.
ISIN YELDA, IRAQI REFUGEE (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): No. No. I don't miss Iraq. It's just pure evil.
DAMON: Toma's are a family together, but at the same time divided by their new life.
R. TOMA (THROUGH TRANSLATOR): No matter what, we will always be a foreign country. Despite the dangers, let me die in my country rather than in a foreign place.
DAMON: After just eight weeks in this new land, the Toma's grasp for anything familiar. Hoping to draw strength for the days that lie ahead. Arwa Damon, CNN, Atlanta. (END VIDEOTAPE)
LEMON: This is no secret. Most new moms are just run ragged by all the demands on her time. Not Paula Radcliffe. She ran a competitive ragged at the New York Marathon and there's a baby. We'll explain.
CNN CORRESPONDENT: We'll give you a live look at the White House today. The president is meeting with the Turkish Prime Minister and he will be making comments following that meeting. But what we're all waiting to hear is what President Bush is going to be saying about the state of emergency in Pakistan. Also, Washington is reviewing its aid package to Pakistan so a lot of developments occurring today. As soon as the president speaks, of course we'll bring that to you.
LEMON: Absolutely. Raising a new born and training for a marathon at the same time. Do I have to say it? It's exhausting. We'll winning that marathon night months after a difficult childbirth? Well, that's amazing too. British runner Paula Radcliffe did just that this weekend. She outlasted a rival to win the women's title at the New York Marathon. On today's "American Morning", CNN's Kiran Chetry asks Radcliffe about the challenges that marathon mom face. We're going to have that for you in just a little bit. In the meantime, we're going to move on. OK, I'm told we have it. Let's take a listen.
Well, suspense right? We're having a little technical problem so we will continue with that as soon as we get it. But, she's also pretty modest about the whole thing. I'm told, considering she's been 27 hours in labor, right, Betty?
NGUYEN: I can't imagine. One, having a child and then just a few weeks later, you're winning a -- look at her.
LEMON: She returned after this difficult thing.
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