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The Big Ouch! Rising Oil Prices and You; From 8 Limbs to 4; Sheriff's Deputy Shot in Pompano Beach, Florida
Aired November 07, 2007 - 09:00 ET
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TONY HARRIS, CNN ANCHOR: And good morning, everyone. You are in the CNN NEWSROOM.
I'm Tony Harris.
HEIDI COLLINS, CNN ANCHOR: Hi there, everybody.
I'm Heidi Collins.
Watch events come in to the NEWSROOM live on Wednesday, November 7th.
Here's what's on the rundown.
Oil prices breaking records and perhaps family budgets. Filling up may soon feel like highway robbery.
HARRIS: A key opposition leader calling on Pakistanis to stand up to police and urging the West to stand up to President Musharraf.
COLLINS: Her extra arms and legs are gone now. We ask a pediatric surgeon about this little girl's chances.
Lakshmi's fresh start, right here in the NEWSROOM.
HARRIS: And breaking news right off the top here in the CNN NEWSROOM.
We understand a sheriff's deputy has been shot in Pompano Beach, Florida. We understand the deputy's van and gun are missing.
The shooting occurred at Power Line (ph) Road and Hammondville (ph) Road, if you are familiar with this area of Pompano Beach, Florida. Pictures from just a couple of moments ago of the deputy being transported to a local hospital. Actually being transported to North Broward Medical Center as we speak. And the van in question that we're talking about is a jail transport van.
We do understand that we have a picture -- Eric, if we can see that -- of the suspect in question here. His name is Michael S. Mazza, and there is a picture of him.
We understand he was being transported to court this morning for a hearing on a probation violation. So this is the suspect who is on the run right now. Police are searching for this man. Again, Michael Mazza -- Michael S. Mazza. And again, right now the officer being transported to a local hospital, shot. A sheriff's deputy shot in Pompano Beach, Florida.
We will keep an eye on this developing story and bring you an update on the officer's condition as soon as we get it here in the NEWSROOM.
Also developing this hour, $100 a barrel. Oil prices nearing a bummer of a benchmark, and this is huge.
From the pumps to your pocketbook, we are ready with everything you need to know.
CNN's Gerri Willis keeping watch as people fill up. But we want to begin with Ali Velshi in New York.
With this question for you, Ali -- Are we going to hit that century mark today?
ALI VELSHI, CNN SR. BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Well, let's see what happened. I mean, overnight we got to $98.62. Very close.
Now, oil has just started trading again at NYMEX. It does trade all around the clock. And it's been up and down all morning, now down to about $97.65.
Can you imagine? We're talking down to $97.65.
COLLINS: Yes.
VELSHI: But moving rapidly. That is a live shot of NYMEX, where these traders have just begun trading. We will see where this is going, but really we're looking for 10:30 Eastern, an hour and a half from now, when the oil inventory report comes out from the U.S. government telling us what our oil supplies are as we head into the heating season.
That is going to be the determination. If it is less than what analysts are expecting, you will see oil move upward quite possibly through a hundred dollars. If it is where analysts were expecting it to be, it should be fine.
Right now we have got some closures on rigs and platforms in the North Sea because of a storm coming in there. That has meant that BP and others have had to evacuate those platforms.
There's a very thin spread between the amount of oil we produce around the world on a daily basis and the amount of oil we consume. So everything that comes off line, even if it's just for a few days, does have an impact on this trading and this pricing. So that's why we're seeing these kind of prices.
We will be on the story all the way. We'll follow oil trading for you and tell you how it has an impact on your wallet.
COLLINS: Yes. And some of the markets really getting this bad news as well. Other bad news, that is.
VELSHI: Well, yes. Markets already were in rough shape on this news of oil, and the futures were way down. We're about half an hour from the open of the New York Stock Exchange.
We got some bad news from General Motors, a writedown of some tax credits they thought were going to come their way worth $39 billion. They are now saying that they are not going to make enough money to actually take advantage of those credits, so they're moving them off the books.
That is a pretty serious statement from GM. They had a quarterly loss of $1.6 billion, so more bad news out of Detroit. And, of course, the banks keep on telling us that there may be further problems with the credit crisis.
So today is going to be an interesting day to watch.
COLLINS: Yes. Thanks a lot, Ali.
Wow, right up to 9:04, you already got us like the end of the world. My lord.
All right, Ali. Thanks so much. We'll check in later.
HARRIS: Another question for you. So many questions this morning. Are you driving less, combining errands to stretch that tank of gas?
CNN's Gerri Willis is at a gas station in Queens.
Gerri, good to see you.
First of all, I want to ask you a couple of questions right off the top.
First of all, what is the price there for a gallon of unleaded regular? And then I'm curious as to where families are going to be hit the hardest.
GERRI WILLIS, CNN PERSONAL FINANCE EDITOR: Right. Well, hey, Tony, look over my shoulder here.
You can see regular unleaded, $3.19 a gallon. And that is higher than most of the nation is paying.
You know, we saw a van up here earlier. It was paying 80 bucks for a fill-up. So the numbers are huge.
As a matter of fact, Americans on average are going to be paying $4,000 for their energy bills. That is gas, heating and lighting your home. That's up from $2,500 last year for the entire year's bill.
These numbers go up, up, up. And now we're paying more for energy than we are for health care or even food. Now, remember that the rule of thumb here when it comes to figuring out what this means to your wallet, for every dollar that oil per barrel prices go up that means an extra $50 out of your wallet each and every year for higher energy prices -- Tony.
HARRIS: Oh my goodness. All right. So $3.19, and I know in other spots it's even more expensive than that. And heating oil is going to be a huge problem for folks as well this winter, isn't that correct, Gerri?
WILLIS: Absolutely right. You know, the gas prices that we're looking at right now, $3.02 as of yesterday. That's for regular unleaded. And a year ago, Tony, that was at $2.20.
So you see the prices. They're going up. They're a very big difference here.
I want to talk just a little bit about what that means for the average family.
OK. Imagine, Tony, family of four, both parents work, they're driving 29 miles every day for the commute. That is their commute.
They're spending $2,600 a year based on today's prices. As you can see right here, a year ago it was $1,900. That's $700 more a year, and that's $700 that they could spend at the mall, on their kids, on vacation, you name it, maybe save for retirement.
That money is out the door.
HARRIS: Oh, boy.
Gerri Willis following the dollars for us as we fill up these gas tanks and watch the money just pour out of our wallets.
Gerri, good to see you this morning. Thank you.
WILLIS: That's right.
HARRIS: How come oil prices are so dog gone high right now? Is there a shortage?
In recent weeks stockpiles have dropped in the U.S. No doubt about that. But the Energy Department says supplies are above average for this time of the year.
Some experts say prices are surging on fear. Fear supply will be disrupted because of world trouble spots. We're also heading into winter, when we use more heating oil. Worldwide demand is higher as China's economy booms.
The U.S. is the world's biggest user of oil. We go through more 20 million barrels of oil every day.
COLLINS: New clashes in Pakistan today. Riot police firing tear gas and swinging batons to hold back protesters that have gathered near parliament in Islamabad. These are supporters of former prime minister Benazir Bhutto.
She called for demonstrations against the president's emergency rule. So far, no one here arrested. But Bhutto says 400 of her supporters have been rounded up since Saturday. Hundreds of judges, lawyers and activists also detained. We've been telling you about that here at CNN.
The U.S. and other countries want President Pervez Musharraf to lift the emergency declaration and return to constitutional government.
HARRIS: Born with eight limbs. A toddler now down to four after a successful surgery. And a family more hopeful of her future.
We'll talk to a specialist in this kind of surgery in about 20 minutes here in the NEWSROOM, but first, the latest from CNN's Andrew Stevens.
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DR. SHARAN PATIL, CHIEF SURGEON, SPARSH HOSPITAL: The surgery has been successful.
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ANDREW STEVENS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Doctors emerge triumphant after a 27-hour marathon surgery on Indian toddler Lakshmi, born with four arms and four legs.
PATIL: The surgery itself has been completed. The child has been (ph) through the procedure in an excellent manner. The child is safe. The child is in the intensive care unit as we speak, stable and sound.
STEVENS: The team of 36 doctors successfully removed her parasitic twin, a headless, lifeless undeveloped twin fetus which created a web of duplicate organs and limbs fused at the pelvis.
PATIL: These are official pictures.
STEVENS: Here, the first photo of Lakshmi after surgery. Two legs in casts and two arms, potentially on our way to a normal healthy life. Doctors warn it will take months before they know if all of Lakshmi's organs will function normally and how long she may live.
PATIL: Even in our planning we were not sure we will be able to save the kidney. Dr. Ashly (ph) and Dr. Sanjaran's (ph) team have managed to save both the kidneys, and both the kidneys are functioning very normally. And that is very credible for the team, and that is something which is worth mentioning. And we have not jeopardized any aspect of Lakshmi.
STEVENS: Some important to many in Lakshmi's village, where her physical differences were seen as sign of holiness. Some even worshipped her as the incarnation of her namesake, the Hindu goddess of wealth. Lakshmi's parents, who traveled across India on borrowed money to save their child, are overjoyed by the early positive outcome.
SHAMBU, FATHER (through translator): Doctors tell me she is fine now, so I am feeling much better. From the time the doctors contacted me for my girl's medical situation, we thought this operation should be done. It will be good for her future.
STEVENS: Doctors will now monitor Lakshmi for the next two to three days while she stabilizes in intensive care.
PATIL: Of course, there is always that little possibility of things moving in the wrong direction, but as you see, the entire team, all of us are here. And we are not going home. We're staying back, looking after Lakshmi for the next two to three days until we find Lakshmi is going to be safe.
STEVENS: Andrew Stevens, Hong Kong.
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HARRIS: And another reminder. Ahead in the NEWSROOM, we will talk to a doctor who has separated conjoined twins. That is coming up at the bottom of the hour right here in the NEWSROOM.
COLLINS: It's really an unbelievable story.
HARRIS: Yes, it is. Smiling, cute, beautiful baby!
COLLINS: Yes, she is.
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HARRIS: And quickly now, we want to get back to our breaking news that we're following here in the CNN NEWSROOM.
A sheriff's deputy has been shot in Pompano Beach, Florida.
On the line with us right now is Elliot Cohen of the Broward County Sheriff's Department.
Elliot, thanks for your time this morning. We appreciate it.
ELLIOT COHEN, PIO, BROWARD COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE: Sure. No problem.
HARRIS: Elliott, what can you tell us about the events that have befallen your sheriff's deputy this morning?
COHEN: Well, we had our deputy who was transporting a prisoner from one of our jail facilities in the northern end of the county down to downtown Ft. Lauderdale for a court appearance. The call that we got initially said that a deputy had been somehow thrown out of a van in the area that the incident took place. When we got here, we found our deputy had been shot. He was laying in the (INAUDIBLE). He has been transported to area hospital in critical condition, and right now we are searching for the van which we believe was stolen by our suspect. And we also believe that the suspect has our deputy's weapon as well.
HARRIS: OK. All right. A lot to sort of work through here.
Was -- and the suspect, we're showing a picture of a Michael Mazza. Is that the suspect in question here?
COHEN: That is the suspect. That's who we're looking for.
He was in the process of being transported down to -- for a court appearance on a robbery charge. We're not quite sure at this point whether he overpowered the detention deputy alone or if he had some sort of assistance. But that is our suspect.
HARRIS: Well, Elliot, that was my next question. Was this Michael Mazza, was he the only one in the van at the time?
COHEN: That's our understanding at this point. He was being transported on the van. As for whether he was the only one involved, we don't want to say. You never know whether you get outside help. But he was the only one being transported on the van.
HARRIS: How -- and I'm just asking because I just would like an idea on this -- how difficult do you think it's going to be -- I know that you've got all hands on deck on this one -- to locate that van? My guess would be that this Michael Mazza has ditched the van at some point here.
COHEN: Well, it's the best lead we have got at this point. We're asking the media down here in south Florida to help us out. I know you guys are taking...
HARRIS: Yes.
COHEN: We're calling it a van. The best way to describe it, it actually looks more like a fire rescue ambulance, but painted white with green sheriff's department striping on it.
HARRIS: OK. Maybe we can get some help from your department in getting a picture, some kind of a picture of what that vehicle looks like so that we can be of more help in getting at least that image out to people. And again, if you could remind us, what is the condition right now, the latest that you have on your sheriff's deputy?
COHEN: He was taken from the scene in critical condition, taken to an area hospital. Obviously, they're working on him at the hospital. I don't have an update on his condition at this point.
HARRIS: OK. And can you describe this particular area? We're talking about this incident happening sort of at the end of the morning rush. So if you could, describe this area where this incident took place. I've got it at Power Line (ph) Road and Hammondville (ph) Road.
COHEN: Right. You know, it's a busy intersection, six lanes off of both roads. It's a pretty major intersection in the city of Pompano Beach, not deserted by any stretch. And during rush hour, obviously, there's going to people all over. We have got witnesses that we're talking to.
HARRIS: Oh, great.
COHEN: And right now we're just searching for our suspect.
HARRIS: Great. And that was going to be my next question. So you do have witnesses that you're questioning?
COHEN: Yes. We have people that saw it happen. Obviously, we have the people that initially called us with the first call and some other witnesses, yes.
HARRIS: Elliot, if you would, if you get some additional information on the condition of your sheriff's deputy, if you get some additional information on how the search is going, would you please give us a heads up? And of course we will be in touch with you.
COHEN: Will do.
HARRIS: Elliot, we appreciate it. Thank you.
Elliot Cohen of Broward County Sheriff's Department with us this morning.
Let's take a break. We're back in a moment.
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COLLINS: The case drew national protests, divided a small town along racial lines, and it's back in the spotlight today. Two Jena Six defendants are due in court this morning.
Sean Callebs is joining us now live from Jena, Louisiana, with more on all of this.
Sean, who exactly is in court and what is going to be decided here today?
SEAN CALLEBS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, perhaps the most significant thing to be decided today involves Bryant Purvis. He is the only one of the Jena Six still facing attempted murder charges.
Now, using the past as a yardstick, we can expect the district attorney in this case, Reed Walters, to ask that those charges of attempted be pared back to aggravated robbery. Now, court is expected to start in about an hour or so here, but it runs from 9:00 a.m. Central until 4:00 p.m., so we don't know exactly when the members of the Jena Six will appear before Judge J.P. Mauffray today.
Also, Carwin Jones, another of the Jena Six, is expected to be in court today. Basically, he is focusing on a couple of procedural matters. He would like a change of venue and also asking that Reed Walters, the D.A. in this case who many say has really dug his heels in going after charges against the Jena Six, to be recused from this case.
Now, in part, the massive demonstrations we all remember from September were triggered by the fact that the D.A. was seeking attempted murder charges against these six individuals. Now, four will be charged as adults. The only two who are going to be charged as juveniles, of course, Mychal Bell, who we've heard so much about, who is still incarcerated in a juvenile facility, and also Jesse Ray Beard. He was 14 at the time of the attack and he is going to be charged as a juvenile.
Now, all this stems from a schoolyard beating that occurred last December at Jena High School, when the so-called Jena Six allegedly attacked a white student, knocking him unconscious. And the individual had to go to the hospital for several hours before he was released -- Heidi.
COLLINS: Sean, we know that Mychal Bell is still in jail. What is the next step with his case? Any idea on that?
CALLEBS: Well, his case is somewhat different because, of course, he was first charged as an adult...
COLLINS: Right.
CALLEBS: ... and convicted, and then the court -- the higher court threw that out. So everybody knows what played out in his case.
But now he is charged as a juvenile. So theoretically, all of that is supposed to be very secret, supposed to be sealed.
Now, what CNN, a number of media organizations have asked, that Mychal Bell's trial be open to the public. And the next big date in that is coming up November 21st. That is when a judge is supposed to hear that case and decide whether that will be open to the public.
COLLINS: OK, very good. November 21st. All right.
Sean Callebs, thank you.
HARRIS: Still no sign still of Stacy Peterson. The young Illinois mother, wife of a police sergeant has been missing for more than a week now.
Police will search the couple's home again today. They also want to talk with stepchildren to see if they can help with any leads. Searchers are also going through woods in the area. They'll be back at it again this morning but they are losing hope.
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TIM MILLER, EQUUSEARCH: Unfortunately, I think enough time has went by that we still hold on to that little glimmer of hope. But we've worked 790 of these cases, and with past experience, it's let's us know that something probably bad has happened to her.
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HARRIS: Stacy Peterson's friends and family say she feared for her life. They say her husband was abusive. Drew Peterson says he thinks his wife ran off with another man.
COLLINS: We've got some news just in to CNN on the political front by way of endorsements to tell you about.
Our chief national correspondent, John King, is on the phone for us.
I think, John, that you're in Columbia, South Carolina. But what is the news here with Giuliani?
JOHN KING, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: In Washington, D.C., Heidi.
COLLINS: OK.
KING: Rudy Giuliani -- I'm in South Carolina, but Rudy Giuliani is in Washington, D.C., actually canceling an event here in South Carolina to get the endorsement of Pat Robertson, who is the founder of the Christian Coalition. He of course ran for the Republican nomination for president back in 1988. And that is the campaign that put Evangelical Christians on the map as a powerful force in Republican politics.
And this is a headline event because Rudy Giuliani, of course, supports abortion rights, has been known as a mayor in New York City who supported gay rights. And yet, one of the leaders of the anti- abortion social conservative movement, Pat Robertson, will deliver his endorsement today in Washington. And the Giuliani campaign hopes it means it will help him make inroads among Evangelicals and other anti- abortion Republican voters who have been skeptical, if not downright suspicious and opposed to Giuliani's candidacy.
So, an interesting endorsement from him and another reminder, Heidi, that the base of the Republican Party, especially the social conservative base, is fractured picking between several of the candidates in this race. And that's one of the reasons there is no overwhelmingly clear Republican frontrunner at the moment.
COLLINS: Yes. It really is an endorsement. We've read quite a bit about their differences of social policy, and now this.
Going to make a change or a difference in the momentum for Giuliani?
KING: It's a great question, because obviously, the more support he can get with the conservative base, the better he can do. And he is leading in the national polls right now but he's behind in Iowa. He's in about a three-way race here in South Carolina.
I was at an event with former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney when we got confirmed word of this endorsement. And I'll tell you, Romney's (INAUDIBLE) were a bit surprised by it and they think it will help a little bit, although the Christian Coalition, which is the organization Pat Robertson founded back in the 1980s, has lost most of its grassroots political clout.
It has been eclipsed, if you will, by other organizations. But he still has the 700 Club, he's still on TV all the time. So it is an endorsement that certainly doesn't hurt.
How it translates into help is an interesting question. And it's an interesting reflection of their lives, too. Both Rudy Giuliani and Pat Robertson are prostate cancer survivors, and aides to both men will tell you that is how they formed a relationship.
COLLINS: Right.
KING: And so they have a personal bond. Already though, Heidi, getting interesting e-mails from prominent anti-abortion activists around the country saying how could one of their leaders "sell out on this issue?"
So it will be a help to Rudy Giuliani, probably, but perhaps a fresh controversy for Pat Robertson.
COLLINS: Yes. We'll be watching that one, absolutely, as we are seeing a picture of them shaking hands there on the screen.
Hey, John, what about Brownback/McCain? Another one to talk about here.
KING: There's another one there.
Sam Brownback, who just dropped out of the Republican race for president a couple of weeks ago because he was struggling in the polls, he also is a favorite of anti-abortion grassroots activists. And he's now endorsing his friend and Senate colleague John McCain.
McCain has been struggling and McCain has long been frustrated by this, Heidi. He says he has a great record, 100 percent voting record, anti-abortion in the Senate. Yet he is viewed suspiciously by social conservatives because he doesn't, as he would put it, wear God on his sleeve in his speeches. And so he's hoping that Brownback, who had a -- you know, a small -- he's only at one or two percent at the polls...
COLLINS: Yes.
KING: ... but he did have a small group of support out in Iowa, a state where McCain used to do better in the polls.
So, again, it is a reflection of the split in the social conservative base of the Republican Party. One of the reasons we have no clear frontrunner in a wide open race less than 60 days before the first votes are cast is because you have these social conservative activists and leaders split. Some for McCain, some for Fred Thompson, some for Mitt Romney, and now, of course, Pat Robertson for Rudy Giuliani. So it's what makes this race so interesting.
COLLINS: Yes. And only -- what is it, a year to go? Huh, John?
KING: A year to the general election, but...
COLLINS: Yes.
KING: ... the Iowa caucuses are coming up pretty quick in early January.
COLLINS: I know.
KING: And that's where the social conservatives matter most...
COLLINS: They do.
KING: ... in the big early states, Iowa and South Carolina, are where they matter the most and where you watch just how the anti- abortion community, the anti-gay marriage community, the social conservatives, as we call them, some say the religious right. They are critical in those states.
COLLINS: It is heating up. No question about it.
CNN Chief National Correspondent John King coming to us by phone today from Columbia, South Carolina.
John, thanks for that.
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HARRIS: Town without water. A natural resource dries up and nothing to float. A town is downstream. We will take you there next.
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HARRIS: Here's a road sign you will never see -- never see -- "Caution: Falling Cow Ahead."
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DONNA BROWN, WAPATO POINT RESIDENT: It landed on the hood of their car and, you know, they just were stunned and...
ALLEN SCHAUFFLER, KING 5 NEWS CORRESPONDENT: A little bit unusual in these parts?
BROWN: Well, yes.
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HARRIS: Yes, folks.
COLLINS: It just happens. This happens all the time.
HARRIS: The heifer hits the hood.
It happens all the time?
COLLINS: All the time.
HARRIS: All right. We'll be back.
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ANNOUNCER: Live in the CNN NEWSROOM Tony Harris and Heidi Collins.
HARRIS: We're just past the bottom of the hour.
Welcome back, everyone, to the CNN NEWSROOM.
I'm Tony Harris.
COLLINS: Hi there, everybody.
I'm Heidi Collins.
We want to go to this story that we've been telling you about for a couple of days now -- a medical marvel, in fact. Surgeons say they have successfully removed two arms and two legs from a toddler born with eight limbs. The Indian girl faces a very long recovery, though. Dr. James Stein knows about such risky surgery. He headed surgical teams that separated conjoined twins on two separate occasions.
Doctor, thanks for being with us. And I know that this surgery is not exactly similar, because this was so rare.
But can you put that in perspective for us a little bit?
Have you ever seen anything like this?
DR. JAMES STEIN, PEDIATRIC SURGEON: Sure, Heidi. We certainly you see lots of different types of conjoined twins. And they can be attached in different areas. This particular type was what we call a parasitic set of twins -- like any parasite, where one being is living off of the other. And what they were able to do, I think, was separate the part that could not live by itself from the child that could live by herself.
COLLINS: It's just amazing. I mean we've been talking about it. And it seems like everybody is talking about this story. I imagine -- going into it anyway, when we were talking about it yesterday -- they were very concerned about those internal organs. If I understand it correctly, she had four kidneys and two stomachs.
Talk a little bit about the internal risks.
STEIN: Right. In this type of conjoined twin, the ischiopagus twins, the pelvises are joined and they may have other organs -- usually the bladders are joined and a female, the vagina are joined -- and then the intestines generally join at the large intestine. So the parasitic person probably had a stomach, a small intestine and then they fused their large intestine, which needed to be left behind with the child that -- that they were fixing and repairing.
COLLINS: Now, I am so curious. And, again, you may not know the answer, so I want to be fair here.
But is it possible, had this happened in the United States or in another country even, that if they knew that this was going to be the way that the child was born, that there could have been some type of surgery in the womb or perhaps done even earlier, right in the stages of infancy?
STEIN: Well, we are doing more and more procedures in the womb. This is not the type of thing that would have been done in that case. When we at Children's in L.A. took on two sets of conjoined twins, we chose a little earlier time point. We chose a time point just before a year of age, so that there was no real sense of self -- no sense of identity yet. But in our case, we had two living children that really became best friends that needed to be separated.
COLLINS: Yes. Wow!
Do you know why -- because we have reported here before that they were pretty worried about her life expectancy, that she may not have been able to live beyond -- I believe that it was the age of 11. And you mentioned conjoined twins. When we see them, obviously, it's no way to live. But there isn't usually a life-threatening type situation.
STEIN: Yes. I couldn't really -- from what I could read and from what I could find out, I couldn't see why her life expectancy may have been limited, in all honesty. But when you look at the photos of the child, you can see how, really, her quality of life would have been very limited.
COLLINS: Sure.
STEIN: She couldn't walk. Her other limbs got in the way of her being able to function normally.
COLLINS: Also, we were very curious to know -- and, again, you may not know it -- but how much control she had over all eight limbs, because you try to figure out which ones to remove, which ones are not vital for the prognosis, you know, the rest of her life. I imagine you've got to make sure that she has the strongest ones that she is left with.
STEIN: She actually -- it's very specific. And through various x- rays that they did, they clearly could have identified which legs were really hers by intent and which legs were the parasitic twin's. And then, at that point, there probably was very little control of the parasitic limbs -- the child, the portion of the child that was removed by the child herself. She probably -- it appeared to me that they were largely nonfunctional limbs which simply needed to be removed. But the reconstruction ends up being the difficult part.
COLLINS: Yes. And that is, obviously, still to come. So she does have a long recovery, but it is a great story this morning...
STEIN: It certainly is.
COLLINS: ...to know that the surgery has been successful so far.
Dr. James Stein, we sure appreciate your time.
Thanks so much.
STEIN: Thank you very much for having me, Heidi.
HARRIS: Pakistanis on the streets.
Will people power take hold and force an end to emergency rule?
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HARRIS: When the well runs dry, a town learns to live with drought and limited water.
CNN's Rusty Dornin is in Orme, Tennessee.
Orme, Tennessee -- Rusty, how big a town is Orme and how are the folks there coping?
RUSTY DORNIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, you're looking at downtown Orme. It's not exactly a bustling metropolis.
But how does anybody cope without water, Tony?
You get very creative. I mean you keep it in jugs, you put it in barrels. They were talking about at the end of summer, they would even take the water condensing off the air conditioners and use it to flush the toilet. But for most folks here, the last three-and-a-half months have been a nightmare.
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DORNIN (voice-over): Dinner is on the stove, but Debbie Cash has much more urgent matters on her mind.
(on camera): How many buckets do you fill?
DEBBIE CASH, ORME, TENNESSEE RESIDENT: About six today.
DORNIN (voice-over): It's evening rush in Orme, Tennessee. Taps are on for just three hours. After that, they're dry until the same time tomorrow.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I filled a 55-gallon drum.
DORNIN: The town ran out of water on August 1st. The 145 residents who live here don't conserve water -- they hoard it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's what's left out of 55 gallons of water.
DORNIN (on camera): Oh, that's a lot since last night.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
DORNIN: The town's only water source, a sad reminder of days gone by.
MAYOR TONY REAMES, ORME, TENNESSEE: Years ago, we'd run -- it would run off these -- off these bluffs here, the water would, I mean the overflow.
DORNIN (on camera): It was like a big waterfall, right?
REAMES: Like a big waterfall. It was pretty.
DORNIN (voice-over): Now, the only way to get water is to fire up the 1961 fire engine and head two miles to a fire hydrant in Alabama for water donated by another town. They hook up the hose, fill her up then it's back to the town's tank to unload.
(on camera): So how many times do you have to make the round trip a day?
REAMES: About seven times. About seven loads.
DORNIN (voice-over): Back and forth every Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Then the moment parched residents are waiting for -- Mayor Tony Reames cranks open the water valve. Down below, Debbie Cash waits.
(on camera): So nothing. You don't have nothing coming out.
CASH: Nothing. Nothing.
DORNIN: OK.
And then how long does it take when -- after he turns the water on, for the water to come out of the faucet?
CASH: Just a few minutes.
DORNIN (voice-over): Luckily, there is help on the way. By Thanksgiving, Orme should have water piped in. But Reames says his town's predicament is a warning to others.
REAMES: All these people that's on the river systems, they'd better take note, because once your mountain streams and your tributaries to the river starts drying up, the river ain't far behind.
DORNIN: Debbie Cash says never take your natural resources for granted.
CASH: Trust the one you've got and be kind of careful with it, because you never know if you're going to be out of water.
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DORNIN: Now, of course, in addition to the 145 residents, a lot of folks have pets and livestock. And now there's these donkeys in the front of this old abandoned house here in downtown Orme -- a very sleepy town, but we've been seeing folks doing their sort of morning rush hour. But think about it, Tony -- no shower before you go to work. Occasionally, they do leave the water on overnight so somebody can maybe get a short shower. But it's been very difficult for folks. And they're hoping, now down here, just about a half a mile down the road, that's where the pipe is coming up. It's got to come through town, go up the hill, up to the top of the mountain and then they're hoping that that will happen by Thanksgiving and that they can have the water again for 24 hours a day -- Tony.
HARRIS: Are you kidding me -- no showers?
I mean what do you -- what do you do?
Do you just towel off?
Do you -- do -- what do you do?
DORNIN: Well, they said...
(LAUGHTER)
DORNIN: Debbie Cash says they do a lot of sponge baths. That's what they do. Because if you don't take that shower at night -- let's say you're not at home. You don't get home from work, you're a shift worker, then you have to take a sponge bath the next day.
HARRIS: Oh, no. Oh...
DORNIN: And people...
HARRIS: Oh, no.
DORNIN: It just shows you, though, people -- you have to adapt. You have to adapt to a situation like this. And for people who have kids, it's really been awful.
HARRIS: Oh.
A sponge bath?
Are you kidding me here?
(LAUGHTER).
HARRIS: Pay attention, Atlanta. Pay attention.
DORNIN: That's right.
HARRIS: All right, Rusty, great to see you.
Thanks.
COLLINS: Rob Marciano has not showered.
He's joining us now.
HARRIS: Whoa.
ROB MARCIANO, CNN METEOROLOGIST: How did you know?
Oh, you could smell me from over there, can't you?
HARRIS: We're taking a sponge bath. Sponge off, doc.
MARCIANO: You know -- you know, the kids are in town going yes! No showers!
(LAUGHTER)
COLLINS: Yes.
MARCIANO: No baths. I'm solid...
COLLINS: That's probably true.
(LAUGHTER)
COLLINS: But it's pretty wild.
MARCIANO: Well, it's a -- you know, it's a tough go, that's for sure.
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COLLINS: We want to give out a little bit more information now on the situation that we told you about just a little while ago happening in Broward County, where a deputy has been shot. It was while a prisoner was being transported to court. The name of this suspect, Michael Mazza -- still to the loose right now. But the new information to make sure that you have is that the schools in the area are now on lockdown -- 19 schools, in fact, and one district site, actually, under lockdown.
Now, once again, this is Broward County -- and to be more specific, Pompano Beach. We are also understanding that the sheriff's deputy is likely in the hospital now. The last time we spoke with an official on this story, they told us that he was in the way or on the way to the hospital. He has been shot. We're not sure of the nature of the injuries at this point, but we will continue to follow this story.
Once again, Michael Mazza is the name of the suspect, still on the loose. And schools in the area on lockdown as a precautionary measure.
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Have you wondered that?
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Some popular TV preachers under scrutiny.
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COLLINS: You are in the CNN NEWSROOM.
I'm Heidi Collins.
The cow jumped over the moon -- but this one came up a little short.
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SHARON BROOKS, WAPATO POINT RESIDENT: I think he said he knew it rained here, but he didn't think it would be raining cows. So he was rather shocked.
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COLLINS: Yes. The cow that fell from the sky in the NEWSROOM.
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COLLINS: A quick little reminder that you can download us on onto your iPod. We know you want to. It's the pod cast that we record every day after the show.
HARRIS: Yes.
COLLINS: Wow! We're (INAUDIBLE)...
HARRIS: Oh, we don't do it live?
COLLINS: ...there, too. No. That would be -- that would be hard to do for us.
HARRIS: Yes, it would be.
COLLINS: Anyway, so, yes, we are putting together that little broadcast for you. And a lot of times what's cool about it is we have some really fun stories that we don't really have an opportunity to do here during the hours of 9:00 until 12:00 Eastern. So check it out. I think you might enjoy it.
HARRIS: Oh, the cow. The cow. Yes. The cow jumped over the moon. You know that nursery rhyme. Now the real story of a cow falling from the sky. It's told by Allen Schaffler of affiliate KING.
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SCHAUFFLER (voice-over): It happened along this stretch of a two lane road where State Highway 150 is pinched between Lake Chelan and the 200-foot slope called Rocky Point. That's where the where the Eversons (ph) got the shock of a lifetime -- a cow in freefall.
BROWN: It landed on the hood of their car and, you know, they were just were stunned. And...
SCHAUFFLER: A little bit unusual in these parts?
BROWN: Well, yes.
SCHAUFFLER: The victims, staying at nearby Wapato Point for a one year anniversary vacation, didn't want to talk on camera, but they told me they just couldn't believe what they were seeing -- that it didn't seem real.
BROOKS: I think he said he knew it rained here, but he didn't think it would be raining cows. So he was rather shocked.
SCHAUFFLER: The car is badly damaged, being repaired now. But the Eversons didn't have a scratch from the unusual cow collision that could have killed them.
LT. MIKE WARREN, WASHINGTON STATE PATROL: Well, I've worked for the patrol 23 years, and I have to tell you that this is the first time that we've had a cow falling out of the sky.
SCHAUFFLER: And, it turns out the cow has a name -- Michelle (ph), a beloved and valuable heifer from a Spokane area ranch visiting Chelan for breeding purposes. She escaped from her pen several weeks ago. Her owners say they were ready for a bad ending -- but this?
RENA ALBERTSON, COW OWNER: I guess if she -- if somebody had just hit her running across the road, this wouldn't even be a story, you know?
SCHAUFFLER (on camera): Yes. (INAUDIBLE).
ALBERTSON: And then, so flying cows -- it's the flying cows and it's just so strange.
SCHAUFFLER: State patrol figures Michelle got tired and disoriented after being out on her own for a couple of weeks and probably just lost her way and fell. She had to be euthanized at the scene.
Near Manson, I'm Allen Schauffler, KING-5 News.
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COLLINS: We quickly want to get you back to Broward County. An update now on the situation there we've been telling you about this morning, where a sheriff's deputy had been shot by, apparently, someone who was headed to court. He was in jail and this was a transport. You see now a live shot there of a white van that appears to be the van they were using to transport this prisoner to a court proceeding today. Police are believing now that they do have that van in custody. That is the van that they were using.
I want to get out to John Zarrella, who is in Miami for us. And he's been working the story this morning -- John, tell us what you know at this point.
JOHN ZARRELLA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Heidi, that -- clearly, it appears that that is the vehicle. A number of squad cars around it. Michael Mazza, 40 years old, overpowering a Broward sheriff's officer deputy as he was being transported to court, as you mentioned.
And there is blood splatter clearly visible on the driver's side of that van, seen from the helicopter shots. So -- and, of course, now there are 19 schools on lockdown. That's the man they're looking for -- Michael Mazza, 40-years-old, various charges. He was being transported on a robbery charge to court to face the judge today on those charges. And, again, streets all over Broward County are shut down. And, as I mentioned, 19 schools on lockdown as they search for Michael Mazza. Obviously, considered dangerous. Has the police officer's gun, we believe, at this point in time.
COLLINS: John, we've been hearing a little bit that they thought perhaps he was inside that van. From your reporting, though, it sounds like, no, Michael Mazza is still on the loose?
ZARRELLA: It appears that way. We have not gotten any word that they found him in the van. Of course, it is still just breaking and developing -- the finding of this vehicle. That's certainly possible. But we did not see the kind of activity surrounding that van that you might expect if, in fact, he was in there and alive.
COLLINS: Yes.
ZARRELLA: Heidi.
COLLINS: Yes, agreed. And as we continue to look at these pictures, we just sort of want to talk about the story for a moment.
Any idea, John, if that sheriff's deputy was the only other deputy?
I mean sometimes they do these transports and they have at least two -- sometimes three people -- that are transporting the prisoners from place to place so that they are not alone.
ZARRELLA: Yes. At this point, it appears he was the only one in that transport vehicle. You can tell, obviously, it's a van with clearly marked Broward Sheriff's Office. He was alone. And at some point on the drive from the jail facility in North Broward County down to the Broward County Courthouse, he overpowered the deputy, got the gun and apparently shot the deputy then threw him out of the vehicle, according to what Broward Sheriff's Office spokespersons are telling us at this hour.
When they arrived on the scene, they found the deputy lying on the ground, then found him with a gunshot wound. And he is listed in critical condition. He was transported to North Broward General Medical Center -- Heidi.
COLLINS: OK. Critical condition. We did not know that, at least up until now.
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