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HALA GORANI, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: An unprecedented shooting. An 18-year-old opens fire at a high school in Finland. Did he leave clues behind on the Internet?
MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Another day under emergency rule in Pakistan. Protestors clash with police as a leading opposition figure calls for more resistance.

GORANI: Also, barreling toward a record, oil prices soar to historic highs. What is fueling the rise?

HOLMES: And bonjour, mes amis. French president Nicolas Sarkozy opens a new cozier chapter in relations with the United States.

GORANI: It is 10:00 p.m. in Islamabad, Pakistan, noon in Washington, D.C.

Hello and welcome to our report seen around the globe this hour.

I'm Hala Gorani.

HOLMES: And I'm Michael Holmes.

From New York to New Delhi, wherever you are watching, this is YOUR WORLD TODAY.

Well, it is news that has shattered the calm of a usually peaceful part of the world.

GORANI: Officials in Finland say at least eight people are now confirmed dead after an 18-year-old gunman opened fire at a high school.

HOLMES: Details still emerging, but this all happened in the town of Tuusula, which is some 30 miles or 50 kilometers north of the capital, Helsinki. Officials there say the high school's principal is among the dead.

GORANI: Police say the situation is now under control and that the gunman has been taken to hospital. He has suffered serious wounds.

We got details earlier from a doctor who's been treating some of the casualties.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) JEARKKO SIPILA, JOURNALIST: We have seven deaths (INAUDIBLE). And 12 only minor injuries. And some schoolchildren -- and they are not in danger now.

HOLMES: Is it the case that the suspect is also in the hospital?

SIPILA: Yes, there's one critically wounded young man in the surgical unit. And we think that this might be the guy.

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HOLMES: A doctor there at the local hospital filling us in earlier.

And police believe that the 18-year-old student may recently have posted his personal manifesto in some rather disturbing video online.

Well, Finnish media, meanwhile, are reporting that someone posted a message two weeks ago on the video-sharing Web site YouTube warning of a bloodbath at the school.

Our Paula Hancocks has been looking into that and what the Web site is revealing about the unfolding events in Finland, and she joins us now live.

Paula, what can you tell us there about that YouTube video?

PAULA HANCOCKS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Hala, this video, just to tell you before I go into it, the police during that press conference were asked about it and whether or not it was believed that this was from the gunman himself, and they said it probably was. And they were probably -- he was acting alone.

Now, we saw video which was posted just hours before the shooting of the -- of what we think was this school. Now, it was headlined "Jokela High School Massacre," and we saw the picture of that school, the picture then shattered and showed two shots of a gunman pointing a gun at the camera.

Now, in this video you are seeing at this point, taken at some point in a wooded area. You can see the gunman actually shooting at a fruit. It looks like an apple, close-up of that apple being used as target practice in this wooded area. And then you see the alleged shooter walking away and waving at the camera. Now, this was actually posted on the video-sharing Web site YouTube a couple of weeks ago, at least, we understand now. He used the user name -- the user name "Sturmgeist," which is the German for storm spirit.

Now, we understand that up to about 80 different videos that were posted by this particular user name. These videos have now been taken off YouTube just hours after that shooting actually happened.

There were many different things shown, also, and a manifesto, a very disturbing manifesto showing the state of mind of this particular person who had posted it, saying that he wanted to carry out a natural selection. He wanted to carry out what he called the survival of the fittest, saying only those who were of the most intelligent in the world, some 3 percent, he said, should actually be allowed to survive -- Hala.

GORANI: All right. Paula Hancocks following this story. Rather unusual that it should happen in Europe and in Finland.

We will keep following it for you right here on CNN -- Michael.

HOLMES: All right. Let's turn now to the turmoil in Pakistan as President Pervez Musharraf tightens his grip with a state of emergency.

Supporters of the former prime minister, Benazir Bhutto, clashed with police in front of the parliament building. Now Bhutto is calling for a massive rally for Friday, even though such demonstrations are now outlawed under the emergency measures.

Salma Siraj reports.

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SALMA SIRAJ, REPORTER, ITV NEWS (voice over): They know they will be beaten. They know they will be taken away. But the people of Pakistan will not stay quiet.

Today, their former prime minister, Benazir Bhutto, made her strongest comments yet. "The world must make Musharraf revoke his measures," she said, "or tell him to quit." She has thrown down the gauntlet to Pakistan's leader, telling him to abandon the emergency rule or she, her party and opposition leaders will defy the ban on protesting and march from Lahore to Islamabad, where they will stage a sit-in.

(INAUDIBLE) politician Imran Khan, too, made an appearance today. In hiding and looking haggard, he called on people to make a stand. "If we do not resist this," he said, "Musharraf will take the country towards destruction."

It's difficult for people here to find out what is really going on. All channels have been taken off the air, leaving only state television to run and rerun President Musharraf's address to nation justifying his decision.

The media is now banned from broadcasting or publishing statements against the government. Anyone going against this faces up to three years in jail.

It is for President Musharraf to open the doors for negotiation and offer possibly the only way to offer up a peaceful solution.

Salma Siraj, ITV News.

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HOLMES: Very disturbing developments there. Thousands of lawyers, opposition figures, journalists, human rights workers, all detained since this state of emergency was imposed last weekend.

Zain Verjee has been following all the developments from Islamabad. She joins us now.

Some bizarre sights, really, Zain. The likes of Imran Khan in virtual hiding, and calls for mass protests. One thing we haven't seen is a lot of ordinary people on the street.

Are these calls for protests likely to be heeded?

ZAIN VERJEE, CNN STATE DEPT. CORRESPONDENT: Well, Michael, the key to understand all this is that there is an escalation, but the momentum is growing very slowly. People are waiting and seeing what's going to happen, what the opposition parties are actually going to do. Many of them are afraid that the army and the police forces are using brute force against the lawyers, but protests have been mainly limited, as you said, just to the lawyers.

Now, the key thing that was interesting to note today was that there were protests both in Islamabad and Lahore, where students were involved. There's expected to be another protest tomorrow. And the more that students get involved, the more the momentum for this sort of mass protest out on the streets may happen. But it really remains to be seen, Michael.

The situation is still very tenuous, very precarious. People are a little bit nervous here.

HOLMES: I was going to ask you more about that. I mean, I assume you have been able to get out a little bit, talk to some of the locals.

What's the level of feeling? Are people just sort of saying, well, this is just how it is at the moment? Or are people angry? Are they likely to take to the streets?

VERJEE: Michael, people are angry. The people that I've spoken to said that Pervez Musharraf has let them down. They say that he is just doing what the United States wants him to do, and that they're fed up with him. But they're also fed up with people like Benazir Bhutto.

They say that there are no good choices for them. They say that relying on their leaders has failed in the past, and they just don't really want to go out on the streets and protest.

That having been said, if the opposition leaders get their act together, if these crackdowns continue -- they have been happening with the lawyers -- if they get more brutal and more bloody when it comes to the students, then you may begin to see more and more people coming out to the streets. But for now, when you go around town, there is a strange sense of people going about their business as usual. But underlying that, you get the distinct feeling that there is an unease and an uncertainty, and people aren't really sure what'ses going to happen next.

HOLMES: All right. Zain Verjee in Islamabad.

Thanks for that, Zain.

And we will a little later in the program have Senator Patrick Leahy on. He's on the committee that does give aid to Pakistan. We will be asking him about that -- Hala.

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GORANI: All right. Well, we're going to have much more ahead right here on YOUR WORLD TODAY.

HOLMES: Including the French president goes to Washington. Nicolas Sarkozy addressing the U.S. Congress.

GORANI: And will his visit thaw the recent chill in relations between Washington and Paris?

HOLMES: Then later, a tense waiting game as doctors monitor the recovery of that Indian girl who endured marathon surgery to remove four extra limbs.

Stay with us.

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GORANI: Welcome back, everyone. This is CNN International and YOUR WORLD TODAY.

HOLMES: And a special welcome this hour to our viewers in the United States joining us.

All right.

Well, a 2-year-old Indian girl born with a birth defect that left her with an extra set of limbs and organs she didn't need can now look forward to a much brighter future.

GORANI: Well, thanks to a marathon 27-hour operation.

With the story, here's Andrew Stevens.

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DR. SHARAN PATIL, CHIEF SURGEON, SPARSH HOSPITAL: The surgery has been successful.

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ANDREW STEVENS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Doctors emerge triumphant after a 27-hour marathon surgery on Indian toddler Lakshmi, born with four arms and four legs.

PATIL: The surgery itself has been completed. The child has been (ph) through the procedure in an excellent manner. The child is safe. The child is in the intensive care unit as we speak, stable and sound.

STEVENS: The team of 36 doctors successfully removed her parasitic twin, a headless, lifeless undeveloped twin fetus which created a web of duplicate organs and limbs fused at the pelvis.

PATIL: These are official pictures.

STEVENS: Here, the first photo of Lakshmi after surgery. Two legs in casts and two arms, potentially on our way to a normal healthy life. Doctors warn it will take months before they know if all of Lakshmi's organs will function normally and how long she may live.

PATIL: Even in our planning we were not sure we will be able to save the kidney. Dr. Ashly (ph) and Dr. Sanjaran's (ph) team have managed to save both the kidneys, and both the kidneys are functioning very normally. And that is very credible for the team, and that is something which is worth mentioning. And we have not jeopardized any aspect of Lakshmi.

STEVENS: Some important to many in Lakshmi's village, where her physical differences were seen as sign of holiness. Some even worshipped her as the incarnation of her namesake, the Hindu goddess of wealth.

Lakshmi's parents, who traveled across India on borrowed money to save their child, are overjoyed by the early positive outcome.

SHAMBU, FATHER (through translator): Doctors tell me she is fine now, so I am feeling much better. From the time the doctors contacted me for my girl's medical situation, we thought this operation should be done. It will be good for her future.

STEVENS: Doctors will now monitor Lakshmi for the next two to three days while she stabilizes in intensive care.

PATIL: Of course, there is always that little possibility of things moving in the wrong direction, but as you see, the entire team, all of us are here. And we are not going home. We're staying back, looking after Lakshmi for the next two to three days until we find Lakshmi is going to be safe.

STEVENS: Andrew Stevens, Hong Kong.

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GORANI: "France is a friend of America." Those words, emphatic words from Nicolas Sarkozy on his first visit to Washington as French president. Mr. Sarkozy addressed a joint meeting of the U.S. Congress in Washington, making a thaw in the chilly relations that formed under his predecessor, Jacques Chirac, official, perhaps.

He looked toward the future, imploring that closer cooperation can help tackle a host of international problems, including a nuclear Iran and Middle East peace. He also looked back quite a bit today, thanking the United States for helping liberate France from the Nazis during World War II. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

NICOLAS SARKOZY, FRENCH PRESIDENT (through translator): I want to express the deep, sincere gratitude of the French people. And I want to tell you something, something important. Every time, whenever an American soldier falls somewhere in the world, I think of what the American Army did for France. I think of them and I am sad as one is saddened to lose a member of one's family.

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GORANI: Well, Tuesday night, President George Bush hosted Mr. Sarkozy at a White House dinner. Nicolas Sarkozy acknowledged the war in Iraq, the source of such consternation in his homeland, saying, "One can be a friend of America yet still win an election in France." He didn't mention Iraq in his speech to the U.S. Congress.

We are going to have analysis of this with a French journalist specializing in Franco-American relations joining us live from Paris a little bit later in the show.

HOLMES: All right. Meanwhile, we have been watching the numbers all day, and we're talking about oil prices. Is oil going to surge to $100 a barrel?

GORANI: Coming up, we'll head to New York for a check on the latest crude prices.

HOLMES: And then Pakistan's president reaches out to two American congressmen looking to preserve crucial U.S. aid. We'll have a response to that ahead on YOUR WORLD TODAY.

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HOLMES: Welcome back, everyone, to our viewers especially joining us all around the globe, including the United States this hour.

I'm Michael Holmes.

GORANI: I'm Hala Gorani.

And here are some of the top stories we are following for you.

A school shooting in Finland has left at least eight people dead. The 18-year-old suspected gunman was apparently a student there. A hospital official says the shooter is in critical condition. The school's principal is reported to be among the people killed.

HOLMES: After a marathon 27-hour operation, doctors in India say they have successfully removed two extra arms and two extra legs from little Lakshmi Tatma. The 2-year-old was born with a birth defect that left her with the extra limbs, as well as several extra organs as well. GORANI: Supporters of former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto clashed with police in Islamabad Wednesday. Police used tear gas to control the crowd but no one was arrested, reportedly. Bhutto announced a massive rally for Friday, even though such a demonstration is outlawed under Pervez Musharraf's emergency measures.

HOLMES: The French President Sarkozy addressed U.S. lawmakers in a speech that offered a very different tone from the recent past. The accent, on friendship. A departure from years of bad blood really between official Washington and his predecessor Jacques Chirac.

GORANI: Will Mr. Sarkozy's visit cement a return to the stronger ties between France and the United States that existed perhaps before the Iraq war? Let's get analysis. We are joined by political journalist from Paris. Anne-Elisabeth Moutet, thanks for being with us. This is very much a kiss and make up trip for Sarkozy, isn't it?

ANNE-ELISABETH MOUTET, JOURNALIST: Yes, but I mean, he very much is a virgin in that he was never in charge of foreign policy and always in a position to (INAUDIBLE) Chirac about this, and he complained fairly courageously saying that France and America had never been at war and indeed had fought together on the same side. So basically a blueprint for what he told congress today.

GORANI: Right, but I mean the relationship between Jacques Chirac and George W. Bush was chilly to say the least. And now in this speech Sarkozy gave to the joint session of congress there, every other line was how much France loves the United States. That's very different in tone.

MOUTET: It's an entirely different tone. Sarkozy wants it. He has said that he wanted to be the president of (INAUDIBLE), which is a clean break with recent past, and he meant this in foreign and domestic policy. And he is, I think, very sincerely in love with the American dream himself. He has defined himself as someone who could have succeeded in America, but until now, was told that he could not succeed in France because he was a foreign extraction. And his own father told him that.

GORANI: Right. He's of Hungarian origin, he doesn't fit the mold of usually --

MOUTET: His father is Hungarian and fled Hungary, fled the communists. So there's another reason why Sarkozy is more pro American than Chirac, because in his own family, actually he has both experience of communism and narcism.

GORANI: All right, now does Sarkozy have the support of the French people in this transatlantic love reconnection?

MOUTET: Well, the French elites are not very pro American, but the French people are much more ambivalent. Even the elites, the (INAUDIBLE) most prestigious literary prize you can award in France and it's just been given to a book about two American writers -- an American writer, Scott Fitzgerald and it's called "Alabama's Song." So, if the most prestigious literary book of 2007 can have a title in English and be about an American writer, I suspect anything can happen.

GORANI: Absolutely. Things are changing in France, as you mentioned Anne-Elisabeth Moutet. Inside of France and outside of France, thank you so much for your analysis. Also for our viewers, I would like to point out that Nicolas Sarkozy is going to visit the house of George Washington in Mt. Vernon and he's going to be given a tour by the president, George Bush. We will be taking some of that and running some of that video for you a bit later. Michael?

HOLMES: Let's switch gears a little now, Pakistan again. The top politicians there actively trying to curry favor in the United States, not surprising, as you will find out. In Wednesday's "New York Times" newspaper, for example, Benazir Bhutto wrote an article calling on the U.S. to get tough on President Pervez Musharraf. Meanwhile, the president has personally urged leaders in Washington not to impose sanctions on Pakistan. We're joined by Senator Patrick Leahy who chairs the senate subcommittee on foreign relations operations which oversees aid to Pakistan. Thanks very much for your time, senator. I'll get to Pakistan in a minute, but because we just heard from Nicolas Sarkozy, I wanted to know what you thought about this. What a difference a year or two makes.

PATRICK LEAHY, U.S. SENATOR: It was amazing, also the reception that he had in the chamber. I was there. In fact, what was interesting, I followed his speech in French. I had a copy of it in French. I noticed he ad libbed quite a bit. Every time he ad libbed, he seemed to get more of a response. I talked to him afterward, and told him that it was about his most positive in the 30 years I have been here, the most positive certainly somebody from Europe might have in response from the chamber. He seemed very, very pleased by it. In fact, I probably upset his security people because we were walking down, and I asked him again in French if he would detour with me and go and see the rotunda, the great rotunda, of the capitol underneath our dome. So off we went to the -- all these shouts we could hear behind us of the security people, the secret service and everything. He goes in, thought it was absolutely magnificent. I told him, I said, I hope this doesn't upset your agents. He said, oh, I do that all the time to them, so.

HOLMES: Nothing like creating a security risk there, senator. I think you are right, a fugitive is certainly a word that springs to mind when you think about that peach. We have limited time with you, I know you're busy, I do want to get on to Pakistan now. Your committee is in charge basically of the aid money that is going to Pakistan. What I find interesting is that there is, in the U.S. laws, there is a law against providing aid to a government that has exercised a coup of sorts or have thrown out a democratically elected government, except for Pakistan. That's the only exception. What are you going to do about it?

LEAHY: I still think we should move to cut off the aid, unless they restore democracy. When you remove the courts, by definition, you do not have a democracy. Unless you have a free judiciary, you don't have a democracy. And I have talked to a lot of senators, both Republicans and Democrats, who are just outraged at what they are seeing on the television, lawyers being arrested, members of the judiciary being set aside. The reaction against General Musharraf is very, very strong here in the United States congress.

HOLMES: But very little is being done about it, and certainly not from the White House. The president walks a very difficult line, doesn't he, because really he needs President Musharraf more than President Musharraf needs him.

LEAHY: No, no, we need a Pakistan that will help us in going after people who struck us on 9/11 and continue to strike us today. I don't think we have that if all our money is going simply to prop up Musharraf and his whole interest in using the army is to keep himself in power. Not in going after the people who hurt both Pakistan and the United States. I think we have to make it very clear that he's not willing to take off his uniform, as he told us he would, and allow the army to do its job, not just the job of protecting him in power. We should be cutting off this aid, and I think it will probably be attempts in congress to do that. I hope we don't come to that, but it's -- I think it should be made very clear to him that we -- what we need is a Pakistan with democracy, supportive of the United States. We do not need an army that has its sole purpose propping up one man who is afraid to leave power.

HOLMES: You know, a lot of people in Pakistan probably agree with what you are saying there. One thing in the bigger picture, the message that's being sent by the U.S., you know, talking the talk of democracy almost demanding it when it suits, but then maintaining support financial and otherwise to less than democratic allies. You know, what message is this sending to the world about the U.S. and its credibility, some call hypocrisy when it comes to talk about the spread of democracy?

LEAHY: Some would call it real politic, but I think it is a mistake and I think with the amount of money we spend there, we could influence democracy. We could influence it very, very much. We should, just as we should be instead of saying military is the only way, for example, in Iran, we ought to be encouraging the forces that want to build a democracy. In Pakistan there is a large class of people who want democracy. That's where we should be directing our attention. That's where our aid should be going, to help the people, help their businesses, help their schools, help those who want democracy. Not pouring money in when the sole purpose of it is to prop up one person who, by closing the courts, shows he's against democracy.

HOLMES: Senator, limited time, just want to get your thoughts on this. What are you going to do about it? Are you going to cut off aid? Can you force anything to happen?

LEAHY: I think there's going to be a very strong effort in congress to cut off aid unless there are changes. I have talked with the state department, I've told them that that message has to go out. Otherwise, I will be one who will make efforts to cut off that aid.

HOLMES: Very much appreciate your time senator, Senator Patrick Leahy, chairing the senate subcommittee on foreign operations, of course overseeing the aid. I appreciate your time. I know you are busy. LEAHY: Thank you.

GORANI: Now to Georgia, the republic of Georgia, that is. Riot police shot tear gas and water canons into crowds protesting in the nation's capital. It was the fifth day of rallies in Tbilisi where thousands gathered to call for President Mikhail Saakashvili's ouster. Matthew Chance has the story.

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MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): On the streets of Georgia's capital Tblisi, pitched battles between police and an increasingly angry opposition. After six days of protests, security forces used water cannons, tear gas and batons to break up the antigovernment demonstrations that have pushed Georgia to the brink of political chaos. Protestors called the crackdown heavy handed and vowed to fight on.

IVILIAN KHAINDRAVA, OPPPOSITION LEADER: It's bloody action of the government. Will oppose a new wave of mass protest in this country which may lead to the end of this government which probably today celebrates the 90th anniversary of great October socialist revolution being (INAUDIBLE).

CHANCE: The protests began last Friday when tens of thousands of Georgians turned out against President Mikhail Saakashvili, the biggest demonstration in this former Soviet Republic since the 2003 rose revolution that swept the pro western Saakashvili to power. They accuse him of corruption and authoritarianism and of failing to tackle poverty in Georgia. Saakashvili denies the allegations and rejects demands for early elections.

MIKHAIL SAAKASHVILLI, GEORGIAN PRESIDENT: First of all, elections will be held according to the constitution in the autumn of 2008, both the presidential and the parliamentary elections. This is a demonstration of our stability and strength. In Georgia, everything will be done according to the constitutional law and in the interest of the stability of the country.

CHANCE: But right now, Georgia couldn't look less stable. With tensions that divide the nations erupt onto the streets. Matthew Chance, CNN, Moscow.

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HOLMES: All right, don't go away. Coming up, the courtship of the American woman.

GORANI: Presidential hopefuls are all after their votes. You think the lone female candidate would have an edge but that's not necessarily true. We'll tell you why. Stay with us.

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HOLMES: Ok, what you are looking at there is the path of the space shuttle "Discovery." The shuttle and its crew streaking towards earth to conclude a 15-day space station build and repair mission. It was among the most challenging in space shuttle history. You see there -- you could see there the red arrows, that's where the shuttle was and the green was the path it needs to make. These are, I believe, live pictures? Yes. Coming -- no, not live pictures. This is of the shuttle mission. The shuttle, of course, having to do massive repairs to a solar panel that was torn. Very challenging. Some at NASA called heroic repair mission. Clear skies at the moment, crisp fall weather near Cape Canaveral. The commander Pamela McElroy and her co- pilot have already fired the braking rockets, their space ship dropped out of orbit, now beginning to descent which is an hour-long thing, by the way. All right, we'll keep an eye on that and we will bring it to you live when the space shuttle "Discovery" gets a little bit closer to land.

GORANI: Absolutely, our Miles O'Brien will be covering that.

Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani has picked up a key endorsement, U.S. television evangelist Pat Robertson endorsed the former New York mayor on Wednesday. Giuliani is the Republican front- runner but he's been under fire for more conservative party members for his stances on abortion and gay rights. An endorsement by Robertson, a noted conservative and former Republican presidential candidate himself, of course, is expected to boost Giuliani's standing with the right.

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PAT ROBERTSON, TELEVISION EVANGELIST: For months, I have contemplated our future and the outstanding group of men who are offering themselves to the Republican Party to be its standard bearer in the 2008 presidential election. Today it is my pleasure to announce my support for America's mayor, Rudy Giuliani. And a proven leader who is not afraid of what lies ahead and who will cost a hopeful vision for all Americans.

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GORANI: Well, meanwhile, another Republican presidential candidate has picked up an endorsement of his own, conservative Senator Sam Brownback, who dropped out of the race for the Republican nomination last month, is expected to announce his endorsement of Senator John McCain when the two men appear at a campaign event later in Iowa.

HOLMES: Hillary Clinton has been accused by her opponents of, well, trying to have it both ways on many issues. They say she's for something, maybe, and then against it, maybe that, too. But when it comes to leaning on her gender to get elected, well, maybe not, the questions get even louder. Here's Candy Crowley.

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CANDY CROWLEY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): First off, Hillary Clinton wants you to know this is not about her chromosomes.

HILLARY CLINTON, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I am not running because I'm a woman. I'm running because I think I'm the best qualified and experienced person to hit the ground running in January 2009.

CROWLEY: Also, it kind of is about chromosomes.

CLINTON: I'm meeting women in their 90s across America, and one of them summed up for me what this was really all about. She said, I'm 95 years old, I was born before women could vote, and I'm going to live long enough to see a woman in the White House.

CROWLEY: So, is she running as a woman or just another candidate? Certainly she's changed the debate.

If six men criticize one woman for two hours, is it because she's a woman?

CLINTON: We've had a bunch of debates, and, you know, I wouldn't rank that up in my very top list.

CROWLEY: Clinton's campaign put out a post-debate web video called piling on. She had this to say at her alma mater Wesley.

CLINTON: In so many ways, this all women's college prepared me to compete in the all boys club of presidential politics.

CROWLEY: Critics, including two leading female columnists accuse Clinton of wanting it both ways, the tough candidate who wants to lead the western world and the woman who suggests the men are picking on her. She denies that's where she was going.

CLINTON: But I know that in a campaign where people are trying to score political points, and I am ahead, I'm going to be attacked. That's what happens in campaigns. I don't have any problem with that.

CROWLEY: Still, Clinton supporter and feminist Eleanor Smeel talked to politico.com about a visceral reaction reminiscent of the Anita Hill hearings, all those men and one woman. Former vice presidential candidate Geraldine Ferraro, another Clinton supporter, told "The New York Times" they never would have picked on a male candidate like that, adding it's ok in this country to be sexist.

This is the mixed message, it's the sort of thing that people look at and say, you know, the Clinton campaign wants to have it both ways.

CLINTON: Well, I can only speak for myself. I am deeply grateful for the strong support that I have across the country and a lot of people --

(END OF VIDEOTAPE) LEMON: All morning long in the CNN NEWSROOM we have been reporting the death of a police officer killed by someone who was in the back of his car, a suspect, someone being transported to court this morning. We're getting word from our affiliates in Florida that the suspect, Michael Mazza, has been caught. He is accused of shooting Deputy Paul Rein in a Pompano Beach parking lot. Rein was transporting Mazza to court for the trial on charges of bank robbery and eluding police. Just for the record, Ryan is a Broward county police officer 76 years old, Broward county sheriff's officer I should say, a deputy, he is 76 years old. Again, the suspect, Michael Mazza, there was a manhunt for him this morning and police in Pompano Beach, Florida, are saying they have caught him. This is live pictures of him from our affiliate WSVN, Michael Mazza in the back of that police car that you see right there.

They went on a search for him this morning, for about six hours. Six hours before he was in a police car being transported to court because of previous charges, a robbery charge and also eluding police and now six hours later, after the shooting, back in another police car, being transported to jail, obviously those charges will be upgraded now to murder. Again, this man in the back of a car, you see his picture there to the bottom left of your screen, Michael Mazza, is accused of shooting Deputy Paul Rein and killing him, a 76-year-old Broward county sheriff's deputy. This is our affiliate WSVN reporting this - WPLG live pictures from there, all of our affiliates are reporting that he has been caught in the back of this.

In the meantime, YOUR WORLD TODAY will continue after a quick break. We're going to get you back to them but we're going to update the story in the "CNN NEWSROOM" starting at the top of the hour.

We are going to continue with this, to talk about this deputy. As a matter of fact, our affiliate, if we can get these live pictures onto our affiliate WSVN, they are doing a report now with a -- with a helicopter pilot. I want you to listen in for a little bit and then I will be back to talk about what they are talking about.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- a sigh of release. Seven's Nicole Ensalada(ph) is live there at the scene as well with more for us. Nicole?

NICOLE ENSALADA(ph), WSVN REPORTER (voice-over): Well I can tell you I just arrived here, and everything as you can probably see from the Sky 4 shot is backed up as police officers continue to arrive here on the scene, up and down Hollywood Boulevard, many officers still coming here to presumably to help. I have not yet had a chance to talk to the spokesman for Hollywood Police Department Tony Rode out here just yet, but I can tell you that there's a large crowd that has gathered. I'm sure you have been able to see that. I'm actually looking at some police officers now who look like they're comforting each other and smiling so I'm sure that this is, in light of everything that's happened today, is at least some good news that they finally got this guy in custody. That we are not in a situation like with Sergeant Reyka where that search continues. It looks like it has come to an end right here at the Uptown Pawn Shop on Hollywood Boulevard, the 6000 block. I'm going to try to get some more information from officers here on the scene.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Before we let you go, Nicole, do we know how he ended up here, how he got here?

ENSALADA(ph): No, and that is something that I'm interested in finding out from the public information officer. I spoke to him very briefly on the phone on my way here, and he was very --

LEMON: All right, that is our affiliate there WSVN, you're listening to a live report from the scene there and you're also looking at live pictures from their helicopter there. Just to give you a little bit of background about the suspect, Michael Mazza, he is 40 years old, and they believe at this point, according to our affiliates, that he may have had accomplices who ambushed that county sheriff's deputy. They drove to the courthouse, the two were alone in a medical transportation van which was partitioned and Mazza was wearing handcuffs. But again, they have found him 20 miles away from where this van was and where it happened. We will get you back now to YOUR WORLD TODAY and CNN International. We will continue to update.

GORANI: Welcome back, everyone. We are waiting for the shuttle "Discovery" to land, and the shuttle is approaching its landing site. You are seeing live pictures there coming to us from NASA, tracking the shuttle's path.

HOLMES: Those red arrows are in fact the space shuttle "Discovery." And the green line, not surprisingly, is the path it is meant to take. Now, this is the sky over Cape Canaveral Kennedy Space Center. And you can see the shuttle I think was due to land one minute after 1:00 eastern, that's in about five or six minutes from now. You can see the shuttle there, just in the middle of your picture.

GORANI: You can see it? I can't.

HOLMES: Well, yeah. Our director says you can see it so I'm trusting him. I can't really see it either but it's in the middle of the picture apparently.

GORANI: And Michael in any case we are expecting the shuttle to land in the next few minutes. Our Miles O'Brien will be talking us through that and we will be taking you at around 1:02, 1:03 p.m. eastern to our sister network CNN USA. And there we see a white flying object which is the shuttle I understand.

HOLMES: I hope so.

GORANI: I certainly hope so and this is the NASA picture coming to us live.

HOLMES: It's an identified flying object. All right, these pictures coming from NASA is the "Discovery." What a mission it has been -- said by NASA to be among the most challenging, in their words heroic in space shuttle history. It is due to land, in, what, seven minutes?

GORANI: That's right and we will have live coverage. This has been YOUR WORLD TODAY. We will leave you a little bit early this hour to allow for this special coverage of the landing of the shuttle. I'm Hala Gorani.

HOLMES: I'm Michael Holmes. See you tomorrow.

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