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Three Natalee Holloway Aruba Disappearance Suspects Arrested Again

Aired November 21, 2007 - 20:00   ET

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MIKE BROOKS, GUEST HOST: Breaking news tonight in the case of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway. Aruban prosecutors say they have new incriminating evidence, and now three former suspects have been re- arrested. Holloway made headlines when she vanished from her high school trip to Aruba back in 2005. Dutch teenager Joran Van Der Sloot and Satish and Deepak Kalpoe all arrested on suspicion of manslaughter, the three also accused of causing serious bodily harm resulting in the death of Holloway. Tonight, there is a break in the case of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Breaking news right now in the Natalee Holloway case. You`re going to remember here that she`s the Alabama teen that vanished two years ago while in Aruba. Well, we have just learned that Dutch police have re-arrested Joran Van Der Sloot on suspicion of involvement in killing her. Two other former suspects, brothers Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, have also been re-arrested in Aruba.

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BROOKS: Good evening. I`m Mike Brooks, in for Nancy Grace.

First tonight, breaking news, new evidence and three arrests in the case of Natalee Holloway.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Breaking news tonight in the Natalee Holloway case. Aruban authorities arrested three young men this afternoon, accused of killing Holloway two years ago. Citing new evidence in the case, prosecutors arrested Dutch teenager Joran Van Der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers on suspicion of manslaughter. And tough to forget those names. These three young men were the last people seen with the Alabama teenager leaving a bar hours before her scheduled flight back home to the States. Van Der Sloot was arrested in the Netherlands, where he is attending college. He`s expected to be extradited. The Kalpoe brothers were arrested in Aruba. All three deny any role in Holloway`s disappearance. Her body has never been found.

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BROOKS: Good evening. I`m Mike Brooks, in for Nancy Grace. Well, new developments in the Natalee Holloway case. Everybody remembers Natalee. She disappeared back in 2005 while on a class trip to Aruba.

For the latest in this, we go right out to CNN correspondent Susan Candiotti. Susan, what`s the latest?

SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Mike. Well, I wish I could tell you what the new evidence is, but that is still being kept under wraps. It is possible that it might be revealed in court in Aruba in the coming days. What we do know is this. They did pick up, as you have reported, Joran Van Der Sloot -- it`s pronounced "Van Der Slote" -- and he has been attending college, university, in the Netherlands. He has been arrested, as well as those two Kalpoe brothers. They remain in Aruba.

Now, we can tell you this, that Dutch investigators, who put a new team together last year and went back last spring back to Aruba and went over and researched some of the same property that they had before, including the Van Der Sloot home, and also visited the Kalpoe brothers -- that they picked up some new information there -- we don`t know what it was -- went back to the Netherlands and then returned in October of this year, just last month, to Aruba and then completed their investigation.

BROOKS: Now, correct me if I`m wrong, Susan, but didn`t the Dutch investigators get involved in this originally back in 2006, and then they had forensics experts come back over, and what you were just talking about, and they brought with them probes and they dug up part of Paul Van Der Sloot`s yard?

CANDIOTTI: They did. They have examined this property time and again. And remember, authorities at one point even received help from American FBI agents, who offered their assistance at various points along the way here. So yes, did they pick up something specific that made them move forward that they didn`t have before? They`re calling it new evidence. We`ll have to see.

BROOKS: Now, do we know if this new evidence that they`re speaking of specifically came from the last search that they were here? And I know the Dutch Forensic Institute is actually a very, very well-respected forensic institution.

CANDIOTTI: Yes . We don`t know if it came specifically from the last time they searched some of this property, or whether they went over old information that they have and felt they put enough together to move the case forward. I did speak tonight with a former deputy police commissioner who did work the case, and he said that he is welcoming this news that they have put together some new information. He suspected that he had enough information before, though he wouldn`t go into specifics, but he`s happy to see that the case is moving forward.

BROOKS: Now, I know you have a lot of FBI sources in Miami, and they were the ones actually who were helping there, and they brought over some dogs, some forensic canine teams. Are you hearing anything at all from the American FBI about this new evidence?

CANDIOTTI: Honestly, Mike, I haven`t. We`ve been so caught up with trying to gather up what information we have. But it`s not only agents from here, it was also one from the Caribbean, as well as Birmingham, remember, Natalee`s hometown.

BROOKS: Right. That`s where she was from, Birmingham. So you had the Birmingham office, the FBI legal attache there in the Caribbean, as well as the Miami FBI office. Now, are there any other witnesses that may have come forward, have we heard, or are they just saying they have new evidence and they`re not saying much else?

CANDIOTTI: They aren`t. As a matter of fact, things are run so differently there than what we are used to here that, in fact, the names are not even included in the press release. They continue to be listed only by their initials in this case.

BROOKS: Very interesting. Now, are we hearing when Joran Van Der Sloot is supposed to appear in court in the Netherlands for his extradition back to the United States? (SIC)

CANDIOTTI: Yes, Mike. We do know that he is expected to have a court appearance tomorrow morning, or tomorrow in the Netherlands. And on Friday, we expect to see the Kalpoe brothers in court in Aruba. It`s unclear how long it would take to actually complete an extradition process and move Van Der Sloot from the Netherlands to Aruba.

We did have contact with his mother tonight, and she said that they did have advance knowledge that this was going to be happening, that this didn`t come as a surprise, they were told that the authorities would be going over to his home today and that they would pick him up.

BROOKS: Well, Susan, I know you`ve got some more work to do for CNN. Thank you for joining us, and I`m sure that we`ll be talking in the very near future more as this case processes.

CANDIOTTI: Thank you, Mike. And happy Thanksgiving.

BROOKS: Thanks so much. Thanks to you. Oh, you also, Susan. That`s Susan Candiotti, our CNN correspondent out of the Miami bureau.

Right now, I want to go down to Aruba. Joining us by phone is Jossy Mansur, the owner and managing director of "Diario." Now, we`ve talked to you in the past. What are you hearing there on the ground in Aruba?

JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "DIARIO": Well, exactly what you`ve heard from Susan Candiotti, I mean, that they were re-arrested, that they were re-arrested on some new evidence that has not been disclosed to anyone. As a matter of fact, I spoke to one of the defense lawyers today, they haven`t been informed as to the reason why these clients of theirs, the Kalpoe brothers, have been arrested because the evidence is there, according to the prosecution, but it has not been revealed either to the public, the media or the defense lawyers.

BROOKS: Now, Jossy, isn`t Joran`s mother saying that he has not been arrested? And was he -- how was he notified about all this?

MANSUR: I don`t know how he was notified, but he has been arrested, according to the press release we received today from the prosecution. That is a press release, an official information to the media in Aruba that all three of them have been arrested, that the two that have been arrested in Aruba will be brought to court on Friday, and that the defense lawyers will be informed of the evidence on Friday when they are in court, not before.

BROOKS: Now, who is heading up the investigation now? Is it still a joint investigation between the Aruban authorities and the Dutch police, or are the Dutch basically handling this case by themselves now?

MANSUR: No, no. Both of them are still involved. We do have a team here in Aruba, and the leadership of Adolpho Richardson, I believe, is still in charge. And then you have the forensic people in Holland that came down and dug into the yards with all this very modern equipment and took bags full of items from the house and went back to Holland and studied them. I think it`s a combination of factors, between the local authorities and the Dutch authorities.

BROOKS: Now, Jossy, how much evidence -- now, when exactly was that? If you can refresh my recollection, if you will, when exactly was that that they were at Paul Van Der Sloot`s house looking for evidence, and what did they find?

MANSUR: I don`t know what they found. I know that they took out of the house a lot of plastic bags, black plastic bags, and boxes and other stuff that they took with them. When they were there, I can`t quite remember the days exactly. I think it was in 2006 or 2007.

BROOKS: Right. I think it was back in June, actually, 2006, when the Dutch actually got involved and were asked to come over, as well as even before that, the U.S. FBI, as we were hearing.

Let`s go out to the phones. Ruth from Illinois, thanks for joining us. You have a question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Mike. My question is, why are these three gentlemen being tried with manslaughter instead of first degree or premeditated murder?

BROOKS: You know, that`s a great -- that`s a great question for the lawyers. Let`s uncage the lawyers. Here in New York is Sue Moss, family attorney and child advocate. Also joining us in New York, Alan Ripka, a noted defense attorney, along with noted defense attorney also in New York, Jason Oshins.

Now, why, Alan Ripka, are they only being charged with manslaughter? Now, that is -- that`s kind of -- I know in the United States, it would be in -- within the homicide -- you know, in the view of homicide. But why only manslaughter?

ALAN RIPKA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, in this particular case, they obviously -- they don`t believe that there was any premeditation or any intent to murder. They probably think that they met up with her and something happened that they didn`t expect or they didn`t intend, and that`s why it became manslaughter instead of murder.

BROOKS: Now, there`s also the other charge that we were also talking about in the open. Talk also to us, Alan, and also please, Jason and then Susan, about the extradition process. I know things work a lot differently than they do here in the United States.

RIPKA: Well, in certain countries, in certain places -- you know, like, we have extradition agreements with other countries and from city to city, and we agree to have prisoners sent back and forth. Other places don`t have that agreement, like Switzerland with the United States, for example. In this particular case, it sounds like there`s an agreement and there`s no problem with extraditing or moving the defendant from one place to another.

BROOKS: Now, we`ve heard, Jason Oshins, a lot of different theories. You know, we`ve heard that maybe there was -- she was sold to the slave trade, the body was buried, the father took the body somewhere. They`re always trying to implicate that the father, Paul, had something to do with this. We`re not hearing anything now about the father.

JASON OSHINS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: We`re not hearing anything. I mean, you know, we`re sort of uncomfortable with it here in terms of the amount of media that a sensational case like this would cover. But you know, he was certainly, you know, implicated by association, the stance that he took with his son, you know, back two years ago or so, when the case initially developed. But I`m sure once Friday comes and perhaps young Joran Van Der Sloot will be in attendance, if he waves extradition -- or in fact, as Alan said, they can just transfer him there -- we`ll start to hear a lot more about different theories as they might progress.

BROOKS: And Sue Moss, we`re hearing also from -- CNN hasn`t been able to confirm it, as far as I know -- that they`re talking about possibly bringing this to trial before the end of the year.

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: Absolutely. And that must mean that they found something in the two days of digging that they did at Joran`s parents` home. Nothing in this case has made sense. From what we have heard, Joran claims that he lost his shoes on the very beach that he admitted kissing Natalee Holloway on. How could that be? They also -- you know, Natalee left the bar with these three men, yet no one has seen her since. There`s a lot of questions that point to these three men, and hopefully, they found the evidence to prove their case.

BROOKS: I want to go out -- joining us by phone from LA is investigative reporter and author of "Secrets Can Be Murder" Jane Velez- Mitchell. Jane, thanks for joining us. I know you have been on this case from the very, very beginning. What are you hearing from any of your sources about what the evidence possibly could be?

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Well, I think it`s a big question mark. And I have to caution one thing. As excited as we are about all of this, remember all the arrests they have done up until this point, something that we call a "catch and release" program...

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BROOKS: Isn`t this actually the third arrest, the third time these people have been arrested?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ten men were arrested over the course of this entire investigation, including Joran Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers, who have now been re-arrested. But there were a whole bunch of other people arrested in the meantime, and all of it came to naught. And that`s why we called it a "catch and release" program, because the way they operate, they can arrest, and then they have a hearing in a couple of days to decide if there`s enough evidence to keep them. And if they don`t have enough evidence, they release them. And if they have some evidence, they keep them for another few days. And then they have another hearing. So it`s a totally different system.

So what I would caution is, while this is very exciting and I hope they have concrete, hard evidence, it might be another episode in the catch and release program. It`s really too early to tell.

BROOKS: You know, Jane, I was thinking the same thing. When this came across the AP wires earlier today, I said, OK, they have done this, they have arrested these three men twice before. You know, is this another case? Well, we think we have some new evidence, let`s round up the usual suspects.

But I want to go back to Alan Ripka. Alan, is there a time clock ticking with the Dutch authorities and with the Aruban police on, OK, if we don`t have enough evidence to indict these people or arrest these guys, the case is going to go away?

RIPKA: I don`t think that`s the case. As you know, at least in the United States of America, there`s no statute of limitations on murder. And I think that because this has lasted so long, it shows that they`re digging and digging and digging away and hope to find the answers to these questions. And I have a feeling there are people there that are not going to give up until they solve this crime.

BROOKS: But Jason, you know, we -- Jason Oshins, we`ve been hearing during he whole time this Natalee Holloway case -- I know I`ve been following it the whole time myself also -- that, OK, (INAUDIBLE) they have X amount of time to charge these fellows, and then they have to release them. Are we under that same -- does the clock start over again now that they have them in custody again?

OSHINS: Well, it`s these probable cause hearings. I mean, you know, they have what appears to be evidence to hold, or at least to arrest. And then again, it goes for a probable cause hearing. Here in, let`s say New York, you`re charged with a felony, you`ve got a certain amount of time from that initial arrest to indict them and have a grand jury come back with a true bill and go forward. Here it`s not working in the same way under Dutch law, and they have a lot more leeway, at least the prosecutor does, to, as Jane said, catch and release.

BROOKS: More on Natalee Holloway. We`ll be taking your calls. But first, to tonight`s "Case Alert." Reports emerge that a veteran police sergeant under investigation by internal affairs after his fourth wife goes missing. And now the police chief plans to take the case to the state`s attorney, the chief not happy with Peterson that he`s able to retire with his pension and wanted him fired originally.

The internal affairs investigation involves information discovered during the search of Stacy Peterson, but it does not directly involve the young mom`s disappearance. The search for Stacy Peterson now entering its fourth week. The mysterious bathtub death of Peterson`s third wife still under investigation.

And tonight, check out the latest messages, photos and video from Nancy about the twins. Go to CNN.com/nancygrace and click on Nancy`s baby blog.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The three suspects are accused of manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that caused the death of the 18-year-old girl. Now, all three young men were previously detained, as you might recall. They denied any role in Holloway`s disappearance. They were released at the time for lack of evidence. The 18-year-old was last seen in public leaving a bar with Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers.

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BROOKS: I`m Mike Brooks, in for Nancy Grace. As we go to air tonight, we hear there`s new evidence in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, the Alabama student who disappeared during her high school trip.

Right now, I want to go out to Pat Brown, criminal profiler and author of "Killing for Sport." Pat, you`ve been following this case for a long time. We`ve seen these three characters before, and the father. Putting the whole package together, what do you think of these three?

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Mike, even way back in the very beginning, I knew they were involved. I absolutely believed that. I remember doing -- analyzing an interview Joran gave, and almost everything he said was a lie or a manipulation, and I believed then again that he had committed this crime.

I believe that it was probably an accident in pressuring her to have sex. I don`t believe it was planned, so I can see the manslaughter charge. And also I kind of believe that her body probably ended up back at the house because I don`t know where else they`re going to get rid of it where they weren`t too worried about the police showing up. And if they`re doing a lot of digging back -- way back, I`m guessing that might be exactly where the body was.

BROOKS: Joining me here in studio is Dr. Jake Deutsch. He`s a doctor of emergency medicine. Dr. Deutsch, thanks for joining us. Now, if they found her body now, which I think (INAUDIBLE) highly improbable if she was dumped in the water -- even if they found her on land, after this much time, what condition would the body be in?

DR. JAKE DEUTSCH, DOCTOR OF EMERGENCY MEDICINE: Probably not in good shape. Obviously, there wouldn`t be the normal embalming process that helps preserve the tissues. You have to assume that there was foul play, and therefore, the body wasn`t intact. So you know, the odds are against having an intact, viable, you know, source of evidence.

BROOKS: But would there be any chance of getting any evidence at all off the body right now?

DEUTSCH: Sure. I think it depends on the circumstance, but any sort of genetic information, any tissue, any bone, dental records I think could be important here, anything that would, you know, show a cause of death and any sort of forensic evidence that would link the crime to these suspects. So that`s what they`re going to be looking for.

BROOKS: I want to go back out to Alan Ripka. Alan, quickly, what -- how do they start the process of getting Joran back to the United States? (SIC)

RIPKA: Well, the first thing they do is they contact the people that are holding him. And Joran -- if there is an issue as to him coming back, they ask him and his counsel whether or not he waives extradition, which means waives a hearing and just voluntarily comes back.

BROOKS: Well, we`re going to get more of Natalee Holloway, but tonight`s other "Case Alert," the desperate search for a 20-year-old Mississippi coed and honor student, vanishes, Latasha Norman, last seen November 13 leaving class at Jackson State University, but she never makes it back to her dorm room, her car left behind on campus. Brown (SIC) is 5- 2, 120 pounds, black hair and brown eyes. If you have any information, call the Jackson, Mississippi, police, 601-960-1210.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You have to realize that this is a different system in that it`s not very transparent. They don`t give us a lot of information or a lot of details while they`re working on the case. And for the past year and several months, the Dutch authorities have been working on the case with a group of about 28 investigators, together with local authorities. So there really wasn`t much information given to us.

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BROOKS: I`m Mike Brooks, in for Nancy Grace. Thanks for joining us. New evidence tonight in the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway.

Right now, I want to go out to Jeff Gardere, Dr. Jeff Gardere, psychologist and author of "Love Prescription." Thanks for joining us, Dr. Gardere.

JEFF GARDERE, PSYCHOLOGIST: Sure. Thank you, Mike.

BROOKS: Now, you know, as this new news comes, the first person I think about are Natalee Holloway`s parents.

GARDERE: Yes.

BROOKS: They have been for the past over two years on a roller- coaster of emotions. What can they be going through right now?

GARDERE: Well, I can tell you that Beth Holloway, without knowing her personally, of course, is probably overjoyed that there is still advancement in this case. She always thought that the Kalpoe brothers and Van Der Sloot, young Van Der Sloot, had something to do with the disappearance of her daughter, thought that perhaps there was some situation where may have tried to sexually assaulted her and that whole situation went awry, and then why we`re seeing this thing about a manslaughter charge. So this is something that I`m sure that she wants to see continue moving forward because she wants to recover the body of her daughter.

BROOKS: Now, as a psychologist, what do you make of the statements that the three -- these three who have been arrested again have made over the past?

GARDERE: Well, there have been all sorts of different stories that they`ve given. By my last accounting and looking at the information, they`ve given three separate accounts that have not matched up. In going before the judge in Aruba, they gave conflicting stories. And at one point, even though they were very tight with one another, now they are pointing fingers at one another. And we`ll see this play out, too.

BROOKS: We`ll be right back, and we`ll be taking your calls.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Breaking news tonight in the Natalee Holloway case. Aruban authorities arrested three young men this afternoon accused of killing Holloway two years ago, citing new evidence in the case. Prosecutors arrested Dutch teenager Joran van der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers on suspicion of manslaughter. And tough to forget those names. These three young men were the last people seen with the Alabama teenager leaving a bar hours before her scheduled flight back home to the states.

Van der Sloot was arrested in the Netherlands where he is attending college. He is expected to be extradited. The Kalpoe brothers were arrested in Aruba. All three deny any role in Holloway`s disappearance. Her body has never been found.

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BROOKS: I`m Mike Brooks in for Nancy Grace. Well, there`s new evidence apparently in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, the young Alabama teenager who disappeared in 2005 on a high school trip to Aruba. Joining us is a very, very special guest by phone from Birmingham, Alabama, it`s Dave Holloway, Natalee`s father, and he`s also author of a book, "Aruba: The Tragic Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise."

Mr. Holloway, thanks for joining us.

DAVE HOLLOWAY, FATHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Good evening.

BROOKS: What is the first thing that went through your mind when you heard this new news?

HOLLOWAY: We haven`t heard anything in about a year now, Mike, and, you know, I knew that we were facing a deadline of December 31st before they would be released as suspects. And, you know, the proper authorities gave us a call today to indicate that, you know, that they were going to bring the three into police custody today. So it brings up a lot of anxiety and the same thing that you hear on the news media, what new evidence do they have? And I have not been told that.

BROOKS: Now, Mr. Holloway, who called you exactly to let you know about these new developments?

HOLLOWAY: Well, the proper protocol is the Arubans will notify the FBI and then they will, in turn, notify me.

BROOKS: So was it the FBI office there in Birmingham that gave you a call, who has been working on the case along with the other authorities?

HOLLOWAY: Well, it`s the same contact person that we have had all along in Barbados.

BROOKS: Oh, I see, OK, in the legal attache office. Now you said they haven`t been in contact for over a year. Did they just all of a sudden call you? And did they say anything also about any evidence that they might have?

HOLLOWAY: No. What I meant was we hadn`t heard any new news in about a year. The Dutch took over the investigation back in September of 2006 and since they took over, they would not reveal anything or what they were doing on the investigation. So it has been -- a lot of phone calls have been made asking for information, but obviously they wouldn`t reveal what they were doing or anything like that.

BROOKS: Now can you tell us what else the FBI told you about their extradition and any other process of getting Joran back from the Netherlands to Aruba?

HOLLOWAY: No, no, no. They would not divulge any other details other than the fact that they wanted the family to know that an arrest was going to be made.

BROOKS: Now have you ever spoken with Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers at all?

HOLLOWAY: No, I have not.

BROOKS: What is your impression of them, even though you haven`t spoken to them? I know you have been very -- extremely close to this. What are your impressions of these three?

HOLLOWAY: Well, you know, all along we`d know that they have been the three primary suspects or the three persons who were last seen with our daughter, Natalee. And they have moved off in different directions, but it has always come full circle back to them. And they have been investigated for the last two-and-a-half years. And hopefully, with what they say that they have, this new evidence, maybe we`ll finally get some answers.

BROOKS: Now you said, first off, that December 31st was a deadline. Tell us a little bit about that deadline of December 31st?

HOLLOWAY: Well, unlike the American system, in Dutch you can only hold someone as a suspect for a limited period of time. And as I understand, December 31st was the last stay that they could be held as suspects. It may not be the last day that they could be charged, but the last day that they could be held as official suspects. And I think under a suspect status they can be called in for questioning and a lot more investigative techniques can be used as they are a suspect rather than not a suspect.

BROOKS: Well, you know, they just put up -- the Aruban police have put out a press release that basically says, and I`m quoting from this: "The arrests are aligned with the public prosecutor`s decision to ultimately decide on the prosecution of the suspects in this case by the end of 2007. So that goes right in-line with what -- with exactly what you were told.

HOLLOWAY: Yes.

BROOKS: Now have they told you if they have any evidence at all before? Because we have seen these three arrested before, Mr. Holloway?

HOLLOWAY: Yes, we have. And, you know, back when the investigation first started in 2005, a lot of the information was leaked out that I know the Dutch, since they took over, you have heard them say a number of times, they`re holding it close to the vest and I think that`s the case here. So hopefully they have enough information to continue to hold him and, you know, get additional information. So we`ll just have to wait and see. I`ve got a call in to our attorney on the island and she`s going to brief us with further details tomorrow.

BROOKS: Well, good, and I hope after you get that briefing that maybe you can come back at a later date and let us know exactly what the details of that are.

HOLLOWAY: Sure.

BROOKS: Because I know you have been a friend of the show for quite some time and we really appreciate -- and it`s an honor to have you on to talk about this. And I know it`s very difficult for you to talk about this. I can`t ever imagine what you have gone through over the last number of years.

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BROOKS: I want to go right back out -- please stay with us, Mr. Holloway. I want to go right back out down to Aruba to Jossy Mansur, owner and managing director of Diario.

Right now do you know if the Kalpoe brothers -- where are they being held?

JOSSY MANSUR, OWNER & MANAGING DIRECTOR, DIARIO: The police station, of course. One of them was arrested in his home, that is Satish. The other one we don`t know. I have listened very carefully to all this talk about extradition. The only thing necessary in Aruba is for a judge to be able to check (ph) the lawful (INAUDIBLE) of Joran, and then he would be transferred here. There would be no other paperwork involved. They would just be transferred back to Aruba. We are in the Kingdom of the Netherlands. We are part of the kingdom.

BROOKS: So that`s the easiest way to do it, all they have to do, there`s no -- they can`t fight extradition, it`s automatically -- since you are a Dutch island, just bring him back?

MANSUR: Of course, we`re Dutch citizens just like they are in Holland. Their laws apply to us as well.

BROOKS: And that`s another question, are the Kalpoe brothers -- are they Dutch citizens? Are they from Aruba?

MANSUR: They`re not from Aruba, they`re from Suriname. And Suriname was -- became independent a few decades ago.

BROOKS: Now would they be treated any differently than an Aruban citizen?

MANSUR: No, they would be treated equally because they`re residents of the island.

BROOKS: Very interesting. Right now, I want to go back out to the phone lines. We have a number of callers who have some questions for us. Kathy from Arizona, thanks for joining us.

CALLER: Hi. Thanks, Mike, for taking my call. First off, I just wanted to let Natalee`s family know that I have been really praying for a good outcome and I wondered what was happening with all the rumors that said that maybe she was taken as a sex slave and maybe that nobody should be giving up hope?

BROOKS: Joining us by phone from Birmingham, Alabama, is her father, Mr. Holloway. Can you tell us, Dave, anything at all about those rumors and have they run any of those rumors to ground or are they still out there?

HOLLOWAY: No, those were strictly rumors, I think a lot of the public maybe read some of these rumors on the Internet or whatever, but the police and the FBI and certainly the Dutch police, you know, you look at all avenues and then it circles right back down to the suspects. The reason they were arrested is because apparently they`re involved in Natalee`s disappearance.

BROOKS: Back out to the phone lines, Brenda from Wisconsin, thank you for staying with us, you have a question?

CALLER: Yes, hi, Mike. My question goes back to the catch and release. What type of evidence would they have had to have surfaced to prompt the rearrest of these three? And under Dutch law, how much time do they have to formally charge them with the crime?

BROOKS: Well, apparently we have heard from Dave Holloway, Natalee`s father, that they have up until December 31st. But Sue Moss, what do they need to bring them back?

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY & CHILD ADVOCATE: Well, they really need virtually nothing and that is because Aruba is a Dutch island. And the only thing that they need is the judge saying, look, there seems to be some new evidence, we want him rearrested, and he`s going to be picked up as he has in his university and he`s going to be brought over just a few days from now.

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BROOKS: Brooks in for Nancy Grace. New evidence in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway who disappeared in 2005. We have just received a press release from the police in Aruba saying that the three suspects arrested for the second time. And it goes on to say the three suspects were already arrested in 2005, but their provisional arrest was discontinued by the high court of justice because of insufficient evidence.

Jason Oshins, a defense attorney here in New York. Why do you think they were unarrested, now they`re rearrested? Do you really think they have this or is it again, round up the usual suspects? And no body no case, or do you think they can have a case without a body?

JASON OSHINS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, sure. You can certainly make a prosecution, as any defense attorney will tell you, without the body, if you will. There`s lots of other ways that they can go ahead and make a prosecution stick. I think the key point out of all this is to recognize that the Aruban authorities, as Dave Holloway said, have been no tight- lipped about it, with the involvement of the Dutch and the investigators for over a year now.

You would think if they had waited all of this time, they have something good and that they`re hoping that this sticks and that there`s enough evidence to continue holding them beyond the provisional amount and actually to sustain the charge as they`re charged with now.

BROOKS: I want to go back out to Birmingham, Alabama, Dave Holloway. He is Natalee`s father and author of "Aruba: The Tragic and Untold Story of Natalee Holloway and Corruption in Paradise."

Dave, you just heard what I read from the press release. Back then, what did they tell you why the high court of justice dropped it because of insufficient evidence?

HOLLOWAY: Well, they really didn`t say. That`s one of the things I really didn`t understand was why they were released the first time. But apparently the judge ruled because there was not enough evidence and apparently they have come up with some new evidence to make these arrests.

So you know, it`s moving in a positive direction. You know, it`s -- you know, like I said, it`s moving in a positive direction, and apparently they have something to hopefully make this stick.

BROOKS: And I hope that they have something to make it stick also, Mr. Holloway, I really do. I want to go back out, joining us by phone from L.A. is Jane Velez-Mitchell (ph), investigative reporter.

Jane, take us back to when Natalee originally disappeared. Where was she and what were to the original stories of these three?

JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Well, this is absolutely fascinating because the story has changed over and over and over again. Mike, you remember, she was at Carlos`n Charlie`s, with her friends, they were having a good time. She got into the car with Joran and the Kalpoe brothers, a friend of hers actually tried to stop her and said, don`t go. And the car raced off.

And that`s when the many stories began. The first story that Joran told is when they dropped her off at the Holiday Inn and she stumbled out of the vehicle and he tried to help her but she wouldn`t let him. And then a man in a dark shirt approached with an outfit that looked very similar to the security guard`s.

That resulted in the arrest of two black security guards, who were very upset, it was really a scandal because they had absolutely nothing to do with it, and the authorities went after them immediately. And it turned out she wasn`t even dropped off at that hotel. That was a total, total lie.

Then the stories changed again and again. The last story that he ended up sticking with is that he was with the Kalpoe brothers and Natalee. They went to the Marriott Hotel, another hotel, the Kalpoe brothers dropped Joran and Natalee off. They walked on the beach holding hands and kissing. He wanted to have sex with her, but he realized he didn`t bring a condom, so he turned out not to have sex with her, according to Joran, and they just kind of kissed and fooled around a little bit.

And then he had to go to school the next day, begged her to go back with him and she didn`t want to and he left her alone on the beach. And what he insists is that the worst thing he did was leave her alone on the beach.

Now he is a pathological liar, in my opinion. You can`t believe anything he says. He always lied about his age, he lied about where he was from, he used to tell the girls he was trying to pick up at the casinos that he was originally from the Netherlands and just visiting Aruba.

So that kind of cuts both ways, because if he`s pathological liar from the get-go, you don`t know whether he`s lying to cover up a crime or just lying because he likes to lie.

BROOKS: Yes, you know, you`re exactly right, Jane. And when you talk about the Marriott, I recall right after he came up with that story about the Marriot, they went out because there was a pond very close nearby and they went out with the fire department and drained that pond.

Now I want to go out back to Pat Brown. Now you heard what Jane was talking about, him being a pathological liar. Is it someone like him that keeps telling these stories, changing it, do they start to believe themselves?

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: No, they actually don`t. Joran knows exactly what he did. He knows exactly what he is saying. The thing is he doesn`t realize how we`re all taking it. And during his "Current Affair" interview, I thought it was really interesting, he did say all he did was kiss her and then leave her on the beach.

But then he made a very damming statement, he said, one day I will explain exactly what happened but I`m not ready now. Excuse me, Joran, but if all that happened was you kissed her and left on the beach, what more could you be possibly explaining that you don`t want to talk about?

Well, maybe that day has arrived for him, they have got some more evidence. He is going to have to explain exactly what happened at that beach.

BROOKS: I want to go back out to Dr. Jeff Gardere. He is a psychologist and author of "Love Prescription," joining us here in New York.

What do you make of what you just heard Jane Velez-Mitchell reporting on early on in this case and the conflicting statements of these two brothers?

DR. JEFF GARDERE, PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, the problem is when you`re dealing with someone who may be a pathological liar, of course you have all of these different stories going down, but where it becomes a real problem for the Kalpoe brothers is, is he indicting him into something they didn`t have anything to do with? And I think that`s something that has to be addressed also.

BROOKS: I want to go back out to Dr. Jake Deutsch joining me here in studio.

Doctor, if they do find this body and look for trauma, what exactly are they going to be looking for?

DR. JAKE DEUTSCH, EMERGENCY MEDICINE: Cause of death, head trauma, neck trauma, anything that`s going to show a probable cause of death. So these type of things are difficult to determine but there are actual evidence that they can find in this type of setting.

BROOKS: When they were digging in the backyard, possibly they found trace evidence there?

DEUTSCH: Absolutely. Absolutely.

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BROOKS: Good evening, I`m Mike Brooks in for Nancy Grace. I want to go right back out to a very, very special guest joining us, that`s Dave Holloway, he is joining us from Meridian, Mississippi. He`s the father of Natalee Holloway, who has been missing since 2005.

Again, thank you so much for being with us. What`s next for you?

HOLLOWAY: Well, it`s a wait and see game now. You know, the Dutch and the prosecutor in Aruba, I think, you know, they`re on the right track and I think they`re committed as well as we are to finding answers for Natalee and getting justice. So in the coming days, more and more answers will be available to us.

BROOKS: Well, Dave, I want to, again, thank you for joining us here, you have always been a great guest and friend to the NANCY GRACE show. And our thoughts and prayers are with you and your family that we can get to the bottom of what really happened. And we`ll be talking with you soon.

HOLLOWAY: OK. Thank you, Mike. Happy Thanksgiving.

BROOKS: Same to you, same to you.

I want to go back out to the phones, Gail from Connecticut. Thanks for being with us.

CALLER: Hi, Mike.

BROOKS: Hi, Gail.

CALLER: Hi. I have to tell you that I am so fed up with all this stuff, the Aruban police, in my opinion, screwed up so bad the first time and I think whatever happened to Natalee, that poor girl, happened on that beach with those three guys. And Joran is going to lawyer up big time so how are they going to prove, with no body, no evidence, what actually happened?

BROOKS: Sue Moss, quickly.

MOSS: It ain`t over `til it`s over, and it`s not over. There`s a lot of pressure on the Aruban police. And they`re going to do whatever they can to solve this case.

BROOKS: Tonight let`s stop to remember Army Corporal Anthony Bento. Just 23 from San Diego, California, on an extended tour, awarded the Bronze Star, Purple Heart, and National Defense Service Medal. Remembered for his love of life, infectious smile, and touching people`s lives. He dreamed of taking his son to Disneyland and teaching him how to fish and ride a dirt bike. He leaves behind grieving parents, Anthony and Penny (ph), sister Nicki (ph), a grieving widow Colleen (ph), and 1-year-old son Anthony. Anthony Bento, an American hero.

Thank you to all our guests, and especially to Dave Holloway. And to you at home for being with us. Remember to visit Nancy`s baby blog at cnn.com/nancygrace. See you tomorrow night, 8:00 p.m. sharp Eastern. Until then, stay safe.

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