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Nancy Grace
Judge Refuses to Order Arrest of Joran Van Der Sloot
Aired February 05, 2008 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight: It was a case that couldn`t be cracked for three long years. Aruba police claim they couldn`t make a case against judge`s son Joran Van Der Sloot. Couldn`t or wouldn`t? But tonight: A reporter does what the entire Aruban government could not, crack the case of 18-year-old Alabama girl Natalee Holloway, missing from her high school senior trip to Aruba, 2005. Months of high-tech secret surveillance solves the mystery and it proves what happened the night Holloway disappeared. The stunning theory emerges. Was Holloway thrown into the choppy ocean waters late that night still alive? Tonight, we have the video of Van Der Sloot`s confession, but now an Aruban judge refuses to sign an arrest warrant for Joran Van Der Sloot.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The mystery man named in the case of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway is the latest person speaking out in an apparent confession taped on hidden camera. Joran Van Der Sloot claimed that a friend named Daury had dumped Natalee Holloway`s body at sea. Van Der Sloot now denies this confession, and that friend, Daury, is publicly denying any involvement in the case.
Aruba prosecutors are appealing a judge`s refusal to issue a third arrest warrant for Van Der Sloot. Meanwhile, Holloway`s mother in Alabama said she believes Van Der Sloot`s story that he was with the 18-year-old Alabama teen on a beach in Aruba when she collapsed and apparently died.
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GRACE: And tonight: Mystery surrounding a high-level business exec who vanishes, Little Rock, Arkansas. John Glasgow, the CFO of a multi- million-dollar contracting company, last seen in the wee hours heading for work, but he never makes it. Twenty-four hours later, search teams find his car abandoned and unlocked in a state park, laptop, cell phone still inside. Tonight: Grainy video emerges. What happened to John Glasgow?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Volunteers, family and co-workers search for answers in the disappearance of a Little Rock, Arkansas, business executive, the last sighting of Glasgow around 5:00 AM as he heads for the office at CDI Contractors, but Glasgow doesn`t show up for work. Cell phone pings lead police to his car, abandoned at a state park, the doors unlocked, his laptop and cell phone there inside. But still no sign of John Glasgow.
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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Natalee Holloway`s case cracked, no thanks to Aruban police. Was 18-year-old Natalee Holloway thrown into the dark ocean waters that night still alive?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Here`s what Van Der Sloot said happened. He left the bar with Natalee at 1:00 AM. The Kalpoe brothers dropped them at a beach near her hotel. He said he had sex with Natalee there, but then she started shaking horribly, and then he said, quote, "There was nothing. Joran hid her body in some nearby brush. He said he then called a friend with a boat. The two men carried Natalee`s body to the boat, then Joran says he went home while the friend dumped her body a mile out at sea.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Aruba`s chief prosecutor said the hidden camera interview with Joran Van Der Sloot can be admitted as evidence in the Natalee Holloway case because it was recorded by a private citizen. ABC News aired the tape yesterday. It was first shown on Dutch TV over the weekend. In the secret recordings, Van Der Sloot said Holloway was drunk and that she appeared to have a seizure while they were kissing on the beach before she disappeared back in May of 2005. And in one clip, he says the death didn`t bother him at all. A judge has denied a new request to detain Van Der Sloot. Prosecutors say they will file an appeal today.
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GRACE: Now the stunning theory emerges that 18-year-old Alabama girl Natalee Holloway was actually thrown into the ocean late one night alive.
Let`s go straight out to Jossy Mansur, managing director of "Diario" magazine. Jossy, thank you for being with us -- Jossy joining us from Aruba. Stunning footage of Joran Van Der Sloot secretly being surveilled and making all sorts of admissions. What`s the latest?
JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "DIARIO": Well, the latest is that, besides what we already know about the tapes, that Joran has said that he is willing to meet with the police (INAUDIBLE) the prosecution in Holland, and the meeting apparently has been set for the day after tomorrow. And Mos is traveling to Holland probably tomorrow.
Personally, I don`t understand this because it seems to me that Joran is still calling the shots and that he is willing to meet with the police when he wants to.
GRACE: Talk about the tail wagging the dog. Joran Van Der Sloot and his family have been the tail in this scenario since the get-go. Now he`s telling police when it`s convenient for him to meet with them, when we know for nearly three years, he has looked police straight in the eye and lied. Will this be any different?
Let`s take a listen in depth to what Joran Van Der Sloot had to say.
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PATRICK VAN DER EEM (through translator): How were you so sure she was dead, Joran? You can`t. You know, people can also go into coma.
JORAN VAN DER SLOOT (through translator) : Yes, I wasn`t sure about that, but it really scared me to death.
VAN DER EEM: No, but I understand that. I definitely understand that you were scared. Did you really prod her (INAUDIBLE)
VAN DER SLOOT: No, no. But it didn`t look good.
VAN DER EEM: How didn`t it look good, then?
VAN DER SLOOT: Just -- you know, she`d been shaking and stuff.
VAN DER EEM: What, really shaking?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. I don`t know. Yes. Pretty much.
VAN DER EEM: I`m asking you, how were you so sure (DELETED) she was dead, man?
VAN DER EEM: I wasn`t (DELETED) sure.
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GRACE: That video was from ABC`s "20/20", and it`s of prime suspect Joran Van Der Sloot seemingly more concerned about his own fate than that of Natalee Holloway.
Joining us tonight is a very special guest. With us tonight is Natalee`s father, Dave Holloway. Dave, thank you for being with us.
DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE`S FATHER: Thank you, Nancy.
GRACE: Dave, all along, you and I thought this day would come, when Joran Van Der Sloot talks, talks too much. We didn`t know to who it would be. We didn`t know the circumstances. But it happened. What is your reaction to what you have heard?
HOLLOWAY: Nancy, I just couldn`t believe what I saw on TV the other day. It just -- it shell-shocked me. I knew that Natalee was probably not with us, and Peter De Vries had called me last Thursday and indicated that and that I`d have to stay tuned to see the details on TV. And when I saw what I saw, you know, a person who had no emotions, no respect for human life at all and only thinking about himself -- he`s got an account to settle and he needs to settle that account this Thursday with the police department.
GRACE: With me is Natalee Holloway`s father, Dave Holloway. Dave, before I even get to the Aruban prosecutors and the police there, I want to talk to you about what went through your mind when you heard Joran Van Der Sloot on secret surveillance videotape describing Natalee`s death.
HOLLOWAY: You know, when Peter De Vries called me, you know, I was kind of reluctant, you know, because we`ve been down this path before, you know, a lot of information, and back in November, you know, the prosecutor said he had evidence to put these guys in jail, and we were only to be disappointed. So you know, I had my guard up very, very high. So I just had to reserve comment until I actually saw the videotape.
GRACE: When you saw it, what did you think? What did you feel?
HOLLOWAY: You know, I just couldn`t believe what I was seeing. And you know, you almost as a father, you know, you just feel like jumping through the TV set. You know, you can`t believe that a person would stoop this low and have no lack of respect or remorse. I mean, he`s -- he has literally destroyed that island. And to top it all off, he laughed and said he was going to cash in...
GRACE: Oh!
HOLLOWAY: ... he was going to cash in with the...
GRACE: Yes, I have that video. Stunningly, he actually -- he and his father in league together to sue and get money damages for, quote, the way he had been treated. Incredible!
Dave Holloway is with me. This is Natalee Holloway`s father. Dave, as a prosecutor many, many years ago, I always believed that the victim`s family was the only other person, the only other entity that could care more than I did about seeking justice in a case. And after you have heard what Joran Van Der Sloot said when he thought nobody was listening about the death of your daughter, do you believe him? What parts of his story do you believe and what parts do you disbelieve?
HOLLOWAY: Well, I believe all the information he told us was true. I think when he got into the point where he was questioned about the boat and he said he would have to take that name to his grave, I think that`s where he became a little bit reluctant and things tailed off. But I do believe the confession, without any doubt.
GRACE: Do you believe -- with me is Natalee`s father, Dave Holloway. Dave, do you believe the segment where he describes Natalee`s death? Do you really believe that is how she died?
HOLLOWAY: No, I don`t.
GRACE: That suddenly -- me, either! She`s never been sick a day in her life! She did not have epilepsy. She did not have a history of seizures. No one has placed her using drugs or cocaine that night. Nobody! Why, after a few shooters at a bar with all the high school friends would she suddenly go into seizures and die?
HOLLOWAY: No, you don`t get into a situation where you have someone in distress and then make an independent decision on your own not to call an ambulance, but rather dispose of the body. You know and I know and everyone else knows...
GRACE: Complete BS!
HOLLOWAY: ... exactly what happened.
GRACE: It`s complete BS. I mean, Dave, if you were with me right now on the set and you had a seizure and passed out, I wouldn`t suddenly hide your body, get rid of your body and tell people, Don`t call the police. And that is exactly what happened in this case. Dave, why didn`t the judge issue an arrest warrant for the murder, for the death of your daughter against Joran Van Der Sloot?
HOLLOWAY: You know, that`s something I haven`t figured out yet. You know, you`ve got to depend on the legal system to do their job, and hopefully, that will be the case. You know, we`ll just have to stand by and listen. But you know, I just still can`t get over the fact of what he did and what he confessed to. And you know, he deprived a lot of people. He deprived Natalee of a proper funeral. You know, he deprived us of, you know, her livelihood and grandchildren and whatever. And he also deprived a lot of the citizens of Aruba and Holland of many things. He was self- centered and only looking after himself.
GRACE: Speaking of Joran Van Der Sloot, the former judge`s son, who managed to once again evade arrest, even after caught on secret surveillance video confessing to the death of 18-year-old Alabama honors student Natalee Holloway, take a listen.
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VAN DER EEM (through translator): This guy really knows what he`s doing. Did he weigh her down to make her sink?
VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): No, no. I don`t think so.
VAN DER EEM: You don`t even know that?
VAN DER SLOOT: No.
VAN DER EEM: Did he ever tell you how he did it?
VAN DER SLOOT: Of course he did.
VAN DER EEM: How did he do it, then?
VAN DER EEM: He just went out into the sea further and he just dumped her.
VAN DER EEM: He just threw her overboard, just like that? You`ve been really lucky, you know. No (DELETED) you`ve really been lucky.
VAN DER SLOOT: That`s what I say. I`ve been very lucky.
VAN DER EEM: Really lucky that he has been so stupid to do this, you know?
VAN DER SLOOT: I was even able to sleep that night. I just went home and went to bed.
VAN DER EEM: What happened to her? What (DELETED) happened to her? Joran listen, I`m from Aruba. I know the beach.
VAN DER SLOOT: I`m telling you honestly I know what happened to that girl.
VAN DER EEM: What happened then, Joran? (INAUDIBLE) she`s dead, isn`t she.
VAN DER SLOOT: Of course. The ocean`s big, isn`t it.
VAN DER EEM: Of course, the sea is big, man.
VAN DER SLOOT: I think that I`ve been incredibly lucky that she`s never been found because if they found that girl, I`d be in deep (DELETED), even if they find that girl dead with my sperm in her.
VAN DER EEM: And they can`t do anything anymore?
VAN DER SLOOT: Not a thing, no. They just can`t do a thing.
VAN DER EEM: She`s just lying still?
VAN DER SLOOT: Still, still. She`s not doing anything. He says, What happened? I said, I don`t know, either, man.
VAN DER EEM: Did you try and resuscitate her?
VAN DER SLOOT: Of course! I tried everything, man. I tried to shake her. I was shaking the (DELETED). I was, like, So what`s wrong with you, man? I almost wanted to cry. What (DELETED) going to happen to me. I said to him, This is impossible. He took the boat. He went far out, and he threw her over the side. Then he came back and he docked his boat there. And he came by my house for a bit.
VAN DER EEM: At night.
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. Then we talked for a bit and he says to me, You know, it`s all good. She`s going to be missing. They`re going to search, but they`re not going to know a thing.
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GRACE: What`s even as disturbing as the video you have just seen -- that video is from ABC`s "20/20" -- is Joran Van Der Sloot emotionless, describing what happened the night 18-year-old Alabama girl Natalee Holloway went missing and was killed -- is the fact that he`s still walking free. He has not been arrested. An Aruban judge, even after hearing this, has done nothing!
Let`s unleash the lawyers. Joining us tonight, Susan Moss, Ray Giudice, Peter Schaffer. Susan Moss, weigh in.
SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: This guy is van der screwed. At the very least, he`s guilty of tampering with evidence, disposing of a body, of lying to authorities, and who knows, maybe even illegal dumping. Before we even get to the question of whether he`s guilty of murder or manslaughter, this guy is going to jail.
GRACE: Ray Giudice, I`ve scoured the law books, and there is no way that this can be kept out of evidence. There is no way to argue that this guy was an arm of the state, was a state agent, was part of the police or part of law enforcement. Joran Van Der Sloot blabbed of his own free volition. It`s too late.
RAY GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think it`s coming into evidence. The issue is the credibility and the weight of it. He`s clearly smoking marijuana during most of these statements. He`s clearly boasting. He has an angle to persuade this so-called gangster to let him drive his car or go out and party...
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa!
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GRACE: He has an angle?
GIUDICE: Let me agree with Susan. This "confession," quote, unquote, proves a lot, but I don`t think it proves murder.
GRACE: Schaffer, weigh in.
PETER SCHAFFER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I agree that it proves something. It certainly doesn`t prove murder. I mean, the one thing...
GRACE: Quickly.
SCHAFFER: The one thing that`s consistent about Van Der Sloot is that he`s a serial liar. So you want to take portions out of his statement...
GRACE: OK. All right. So you`re saying some of it`s truth, some of it isn`t.
Let`s go to Art Harris, investigative journalist. Art Harris, you and I have been in many a courtroom together, friend. And very often, we have seen suspects, and they start talking and it will get to the moment of truth -- for instance, the moment of the death, the moment of the robbery, the moment of the illegal transaction -- everything goes fuzzy. They`re clear all the way up to it. They`re clear all the way after it. But the moment where the crime occurs, everything goes fuzzy. And right here, he`s leading us along, and then everything gets fuzzy at the time Natalee Holloway dies and at the time of the disposal of her body. You really think, Art, that he is telling the truth about what happened, about her mode of death?
ART HARRIS, INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: Nancy, I think -- I`ve had a chance to think about it, and it makes me wonder that he had to know more. There had to be something more nefarious. I keep asking about the shoes. I mean, why did he throw them away? Did he perhaps hit her with them to keep her quiet? Was he afraid something was going to get out about forced sex? I don`t know. But the shoes were thrown away, he says, in the sewer, and to me, between the time of the death and the time of the dumping.
GRACE: Out to the lines.
HARRIS: A lot of questions.
GRACE: Trina in Canada. Hi, Trina.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy.
GRACE: What`s your question, dear?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was just wondering, has he ever given a lie detector test, or if he`s brought in for questioning, will he ever be given one?
GRACE: To Dave Holloway, joining us tonight, the first time he has spoken on primetime since this horrible discovery has come to light. Dave Holloway, has this guy ever agreed to a polygraph? Has he taken a polygraph? I don`t know of one.
HOLLOWAY: He has not agreed to a polygraph test, and I understand Aruba does not use polygraph tests in any legal proceeding.
GRACE: Dave, he may not agree to a polygraph test or speaking to police and being truthful, but he certainly found time to write a book. I wonder who made a bunch of money off this, Dave Holloway!
HOLLOWAY: You`re absolutely right. And he also goes in to tell how he picked up unsuspecting American tourists and outlines how he does all this stuff.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Here`s what Van Der Sloot said happened. He left the bar with Natalee at 1:00 AM. The Kalpoe brothers dropped them at a beach near her hotel. He said he had sex with Natalee there, but then she started shaking horribly. And then he said, quote, "There was nothing." Joran hid her body in some nearby bush. He says he then called a friend with a boat. The two men carried Natalee`s body to the boat. Then Joran says he went home while the friend dumped her body a mile out at sea.
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GRACE: Months of secret surveillance have rendered a confession, according to many. Judge`s son Joran Van Der Sloot admits on videotape that he was with Natalee Holloway at the time she died and arranged for her body to be dumped into the ocean.
Out to the lines. Leeann in Wisconsin. Hi, Leeann.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. How are you?
GRACE: I`m good, dear. What`s your question.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, first I want to say our prayers are with the Holloway family. My question is, now that the authorities have enough evidence with this lengthy confession and perhaps evidence that his judge, and I use that loosely, perhaps coached him and helped this guy...
GRACE: Right.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... in disposing of the body, can he be indicted for accessory to this murder, as well?
GRACE: Excellent question. Let`s go to Diane Dimond, investigative reporter. Diane, what about the culpability of the father?
DIANE DIMOND: Well, it`s there, Nancy, maybe. I think first the biggest hurdle is they have to get over Joran Van Der Sloot. We`ve got a judge there in Aruba that won`t even issue a warrant for his arrest after you see what you see there now. Look, Joran Van Der Sloot is a coward. He`s a liar. But the dam has been broken now, and I think it`s a real possibility that the father could be indicted.
GRACE: Here is more of Joran Van Der Sloot on secret surveillance video.
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VAN DER EEM (through translator): What happened to her? What (DELETED) happened to her? Joran, listen. I`m from Aruba. I know the beach.
VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): I`m telling you honestly, I know what happened to that girl.
VAN DER EEM: What happened then, Joran? Water. She`s dead, isn`t she?
VAN DER SLOOT: Of course. The ocean is big, isn`t it.
VAN DER EEM: Of course the sea is big, man.
VAN DER SLOOT: I just think that I`ve been incredibly lucky that she`s never been found because if they found that girl, I`d be in deep (DELETED)
VAN DER EEM: Even if they find that girl?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, with my sperm in her.
VAN DER EEM: Then they can`t do anything anymore?
VAN DER SLOOT: Not a thing, no. They just can`t do a thing.
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GRACE: That video from ABC`s "20/20," Joran Van Der Sloot appearing relieved police did not find the body of Natalee Holloway.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Joran Van Der Sloot, the guy who said he didn`t lose a minute of sleep after watching Natalee Holloway die, now says he made the whole thing up.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He calls Natalee Holloway a "whore," the B word, and thinks he deserves a big, fat check for the emotional toll this case has taken on him.
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GRACE: We are breaking it down, putting it back together tonight, Joran Van Der Sloot caught on secretly recorded surveillance video. He spoke for hours and hours to what he thought was his friend. We`re taking your calls live, including Dave Holloway, Natalee`s father, reacting to what he has learned.
Out to the lines. Carrie in New York. Hi, Carrie.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Welcome back.
GRACE: Thank you, love What`s your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My question is, can the Holloway family slap a civil lawsuit against him?
GRACE: To Ray Giudice, Peter Schaffer, Susan Moss. Ray, is it possible? In America it would be.
GIUDICE: Yes, I think there`s a civil claim for either wrongful death or perhaps failing to render aid that led to...
GRACE: OK. Susan?
GIUDICE: ... a fatal injury.
MOSS: Absolutely, and it`s coming. They`re going to get those book proceeds one way or the other.
GRACE: And Peter?
SCHAFFER: Yes, they can certainly go after him. They have enough already for that. The question is, when are they going to get enough to get him back to Aruba?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This investigative journalist Peter de Vries started making a documentary about this case and he got Van der Eem to befriend Van der Sloot. This is a very, very long process where, in the beginning, they talked about completely random things. And then all of a sudden, Van der Sloot starts opening up more and more, starts talking about the case, and starts talking about his role in all of this.
And one thing that I think has shocked so many people that had been seeing this is that the way that he does talk about it, the way that he says that basically the Aruban police was (INAUDIBLE), that he was leading them around, that this was on top of this thing the whole time, that he knew what he was doing, and that he believes they have nothing against him. He said that right now he`s at a stage where he could go cash in on this because he felt so safe from prosecution.
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GRACE: Not only does Van der Sloot described 18-year-old Alabama girl Natalee Holloway`s death there on the beach and then dumping her body, he talks about her in such derogatory terms. This honor student, this is a girl, really, scrub as sunshine, never done a wrong thing in her life, to be spoken off in those terms. Highly, highly disturbing.
Out to Jossy Mansur, managing director of "Diario" magazine. Jossy, again, thank you for being with us. Number one, what is the reaction there on the island about this judge refusing to issue an arrest warrant even after hearing this evidence? And two, I understand search warrants were executed after hearing this evidence.
JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING DIRECTOR, "DIARIO": Well, the people here are angry at what`s happening here. The expressions of this, unquote, poor excuse for a human being when he`s referring to a dead girl with whom he had a hand involved in her disappearance. And to the people here have done quite a bit. I mean they have come to realize the pain and the suffering that that has gone through. And many of them are publicly apologizing to her for the misunderstanding they had with her and her attitude and her search.
And two, in Holland, they did search the house where Joran is staying and they did search the house of his grandmother also. They apparently took away some laptop and other the items of interest.
GRACE: To T.J. Ward, private investigator who has worked with the Holloway family, is it a daylight and a dollar short you go search the grandmother`s house nearly three years after the fact?
T.J. WARD, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR, WORKED WITH HOLLOWAY FAMILY ON THE CASE: Yes, the whole thing was covered up from the beginning. When I was there I got on TV every night and told them that the police didn`t do what they were supposed to do, what they are trained to do. And it`s just ironic that the information that they were handed on a silver platter wasn`t taken and gotten to right away.
GRACE: T.J., I remember when you went down to Aruba and tried to crack the case gave all your information to the police.
To Dave Holloway, this is Natalee Holloway`s father, joining us tonight.
Dave, not only does this guy very coldly with no emotion described Natalee`s death and throwing her body in the ocean, but he speaks of her in such derogatory terms. And by no accounts is that true. He had no cause to speak of her that way.
DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S FATHER: Absolutely not. You know, that`s what really gets me is someone who could say all these things and keep the island at bay for the last 2 1/2 years. He`s caused a lot of harm and not only to our family, but also to the many people of Aruba. But you know, we`re not through. We`ve -- over the last two months, we`ve focused in on the ocean. We`ve got several members of a boat crew from the United States, dedicated individuals who are down there right now searching in cooperation with the Coast Guard and Aruban authorities.
So we`re still looking for Natalee. That`s in conjunction with Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch, all the details of that search can be viewed from Texas EquuSearch`s Web site. He`s got all the details of what they`re doing.
GRACE: You know, Dave, I know that you are spending every penny you`ve got, every ounce of energy you have trying to find her remains and this is what the Aruban government should be doing.
I want to go to Dr. Steven Cohle, chief medical examiner in Grand Rapids. Dr. Cohle, thank you for being with us. I know that at this juncture, there would be no soft tissue left, but is there any way to tell whether Natalee was alive, still alive, when she was thrown into the water?
DR. STEPHEN COHLE, CHIEF MEDICAL EXAMINER, AUTHOR OF "CAUSE OF DEATH": Well, not with certainty, because all we would probably have left to work with would be a skeleton or parts of a skeleton. The best things that we could obtain or that we could determine would be perhaps a cause of death. For example, if he caused massive head injuries, there might be skull fractures. If he stabbed her, there may be knife marks on the rib or other parts of her body that would give an indication as to the cause of death. And finally, the utility of the skeleton would be mostly likely to aid in definitive identification. If there are teeth, obviously, that could be compared with - those can be compared with dental records and -- otherwise portions of the bone could be used for mitochondrial DNA studies to try to match the.
GRACE: Would you still be able to extract DNA from the bones?
COHLE: Well, mitochondrial DNA. Not nuclear DNA.
GRACE: Correct.
COHLE: But - yes. But - so I think it would still be probably that opportunity.
GRACE: With us, Dr. Stephen Cohle, chief medical examiner there in Kent County, Michigan.
To Dr. Leslie Austin, psychotherapist.
Dr. Austin, I don`t understand why at this point he has to speak of her in such horrible terms, calling her a bitch, calling her a whore. It`s just - I mean three years have passed since this incident and still the anger inside of him, but yet he appears so emotionless.
DR. LESLIE AUSTIN, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: He shows all the hallmarks, Nancy, of the classic sociopath, who has absolutely no conscience whatsoever. So in his evil twisted world, she is a problem for him because she messed up his life that he was enjoying and she`s trouble for him and why shouldn`t he be paid for all the trouble he has gone through? There are very few people I characterized as evil, even some sociopaths. He`s one of them. He has an absolute lack of morality and conscious and it`s very shocking.
GRACE: To Sheeba in Illinois. Hi, Sheeba.
SHEEBA, FROM ILLINOIS: Hi, Nancy. I`ve got a couple of thing here.
GRACE: OK.
SHEEBA: First of all, my heart just goes out to the Holloway family, probably for what I`m going to say, and I hope they don`t take it wrong. But I -- what kind of power does this guy`s father who is a judge have in that company? And when they are talking about seizures and epilepsy, they can have those symptoms of doing that to someone that - to an untrained eye when they`re being suffocated or when their little faces are buried in the sand.
GRACE: I want to go to Dave Holloway regarding Sheeba`s first point.
Dave, I just wonder what power the former judge, Joran Van der Sloot`s father held there, what position, what sway, because I`ve never seen such a cover-up and such a dragging your tail in a murder investigation.
HOLLOWAY: Well, you know, he was a judge in training and whatever influences he had, you know, they`ve been developed over a number of years. So whatever he`s got going on, whether it be with a judge or whoever, I have no idea. And I really wouldn`t want to comment on that.
GRACE: Right.
HOLLOWAY: .because I don`t have any information.
GRACE: Wise. Very wise, Dave. Very wise.
We are talking about just-released videotape surveillance, video and audio of judge`s son Joran Van der Sloot confessing to what happened the night Natalee Holloway was killed. Take a listen.
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PATRICK VAN DER EEM, POSTED AS JORAN VAN DER SLOOT`S FRIEND (Through translator): How were you so sure she was dead, Joran? You can`t. You know people can also go into comas.
JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, FORMER MURDER SUSPECT (through translator): Yes, I wasn`t sure about that, but it really scared me to death.
VAN DER EEM: No. But I understand that. I definitely understand that, that you were scared. Did you really prod her and stuff?
VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): No, no. But it didn`t look good.
VAN DER EEM: How didn`t it look good then?
VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): Just, you know, she`d been shaking and stuff.
VAN DER EEM: What? Really shaking?
VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): Yes. I don`t know. Yes, pretty much.
VAN DER EEM (through translator): I`m asking you. How were you so (censored by network) sure she was dead, man?
VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): I wasn`t (censored by network) sure.
VAN DER EEM (through translator): This guy really knows what he`s doing. Did he weigh her down to make her sink?
VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): No, no. I don`t think so.
VAN DER EEM (through translator): You don`t even know that?
VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): No.
VAN DER EEM (through translator): Did he ever tell how he did it?
VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): Of course, he did.
VAN DER EEM (through translator): How did he do it then?
VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): He just went out into the sea further and he just dumped her.
VAN DER EEM (through translator): He just threw her overboard just like that? You`ve been really lucky, you know? No, (censored by network), you`ve been really lucky.
VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): That`s what I say, I have been very lucky.
VAN DER EEM (through translator): Really lucky that he has been so stupid to do this, you know?
VAN DER SLOOT (through translator): I was even able to sleep that night. I just went home and went to bed.
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GRACE: That video from ABC`s "20-20" has Joran Van der Sloot showing absolutely no concern about Natalee Holloway allegedly dumped at sea.
Tonight, everyone, on another note. APB, all points bulletin for special moms and dads. If you know a parent who is an inspiration to others, get the camcorder and go to CNN.com/Nancygrace, click on "i-Report" and enter them in the "Extraordinary Parent Contest."
A big thank you to Dave Holloway for being with us.
And when we come back, this week`s rounding -- the disappearance of a business exec in Little Rock, Arkansas. Where is John Glasgow?
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GRACE: Everybody, Glenn Beck tonight live after our show, continued live super Tuesday coverage here on "HEADLINE PRIME."
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Friends and family members took thousands of steps, cover dozens of miles. But on Saturday evening, there was still no sign of 45-year-old John Glasgow. Glasgow, vice president and chief financial officer for CDI Contractors, vanished on Monday.
William Clark, president of CDI and a friend of the Glasgow family, says officials tracked Glasgow`s cell phone to the Petit Jean Mountain area on Tuesday. There park officials found Glasgow`s unlocked car in the parking lot of the Mather Lodge. There was no evidence of foul play and Clark says Glasgow did not have a history of erratic behavior.
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GRACE: A high-powered business executive vanishes into thin. He leaves in wee hours of the morning. But that was typical for him to go to work around 5:00 a.m. Found abandoned his car, in the car his attach' case, his cell phone. Where is he?
Out to Diane Dimond, investigative reporter. Bring me up to date, Diane.
DIANE DIMOND, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Well, he left the house on a Monday morning, January 28th. He never showed up for work. His wife reported him missing that very afternoon. It wasn`t until the next day they were following a ping on his cell phone and they found the car in a state park. He didn`t have any business in that state park. The car was wide open, but nothing about John Glasgow.
GRACE: Joining me right now is a very special guest, Roger Glasgow, this is John`s brother, the family spokesperson.
Roger, thank you for being with us. Tell me.
ROGER GLASGOW, BROTHER OF MISSING MAN, JOHN GLASGOW: Well, Nancy, thank you very much for letting us come on your show and get John`s story out to the public. We appreciate it.
GRACE: Yes, sir. What can you tell me about his habits? Has he ever done anything like this before?
GLASGOW: No, he never has. He was the Mr. Responsibility personified. He never had a history of depression, never been on any anti- depressant medication. He had been to a dinner party with a relative across the street the night before, was convivial, happy, laughing and no signs, whatever, that he would have - that depression or stress would be an answer.
GRACE: Roger, tell me about his family.
GLASGOW: He is the younger of eight siblings. Five brothers, three sisters and the oldest brother is extended family. It`s quite large. Then you add his friends and you have a pretty good sized.
GRACE: Does he have children?
GLASGOW: Yes, one stepson.
GRACE: And his wife?
GLASGOW: His wife`s name is Melinda. She is a desk coordinator for Heifer International headquartered here in Little Rock, which is a major non-profit.
GRACE: So she last saw him that morning when he left for work?
GLASGOW: Well, I -- for her work hours, it starts later than his. When she got up he was already gone, but she expected that he had gone to work so she went to work.
GRACE: OK.
GLASGOW: And then we were not notified and his employees became upset because he hadn`t given them any word and he hadn`t shown up for work.
GRACE: Let`s go out to Gwen Moritz, editor of Arkansas Business Online. Gwen, thank you for being with us. What more can you tell us, Gwen?
GWEN MORITZ, EDITOR, ARKANSAS BUSINESS ONLINE: All we know is what you`ve already said except that the outpouring of affection and concern for John Glasgow has been something we have never seen through our Web site before. We posted the news of this on Thursday and ever since then it`s just been, you know, dozens and scores of people who knew him and are just stunned about this. This is just completely out of character.
GRACE: Everyone, the tip line is 501-354-2411. Repeat, 501-354-2411.
Back to Diane Dimond.
Diane, I understand a neighbor saw him around 5:30 a.m. that morning as if he were going to work.
DIMOND: Yes. And everything was normal. As you said, that`s about the time he always left. But what I find really interesting, Nancy, is this man, Mr. Glasgow, was a smoker. And he - there`s a man that owns a tobacco shop in between the house and where his car was found who says he may have seen him later on Monday or even the next day on Tuesday. So I think the police are looking at videotapes to see if they can actually find Mr. Glasgow on tape.
GRACE: Let`s quickly unleash the lawyers. Susan Moss, Ray Giudice, Peter Schaffer.
Ray Guidice, if someone wants to leave money to their family, do they just disappear? How would that affect a will? How would that affect a life insurance policy?
RAY GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, one thing I was thinking about earlier was let`s take a look at his life insurance policies. As you know, they all have suicide clauses that usually have between two and five-year riders. Let`s see if this is within or outside of the riders. I certainly hate to imply that, but that`s a possibility.
GRACE: Peter Schaffer?
PETER SCHAFFER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know what? You need to see every e-mail this guy sent and received and you have to see every cell phone call because this is not a kidnapping. This is not a robbery. And it`s.
GRACE: Well, you don`t know that, Peter Schaffer. You don`t know what it is.
SCHAFFER: Well, if it`s a kidnapping, nobody sought a ransom in all this time. It`s not a robbery. Valuable property is left in the car. And the likelihood of it being random without a sign of distress in the car.
GRACE: Well put.
Susan?
SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY AND CHILD ADVOCATE: We have no idea what this is, but the only thing we do know is that there`ll be no life insurance pay out until there is a certificate of death. And if this guy is missing, that will be a long time coming. We`ve got to look for this guy and see what really happened.
GRACE: Back to Roger Glasgow, John`s brother. No activity on the cell phone, no activity on the credit card?
GLASGOW: No, Nancy. We have had his cell phone records updated on a daily basis looking for outgoing calls. There have been no outgoing calls since he disappeared. We`ve also looked in his bank account. There was no unusual withdrawals or anything suspicious.
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GRACE: We here at NANCY GRACE on the hunt for parents who inspire. And now tonight`s extraordinary parent.
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BOB WELSH, WIFE OF MICHELE WELSH: My name is Bob and I would like to nominate my wife, Michele, to the "Extraordinary Parent Contest." The reason I`m nominating Michele is because of a passion in child safety and the development of her new product SafetyTat.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: During a day trip to a crowded amusement park, a life bulb went off at Michele Welsh`s head.
MICHELE WELSH, NANCY GRACE EXTRAORDINARY PARENT CONTEST FINALIST: My kids are really good kids. They`re great listeners but very curious. And when they get curious, they forget sometimes to stay near mommy and daddy. Reach in my purse for my ballpoint pen and I wrote my cell phone number on each of their arms and if we get separated someone`s going to know how to get them back to me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Throughout the day parents approached the Welsh family at the park and complimented them on their inventiveness. The pen marks faded, but Michele`s imagination was just warming up.
M. WELSH: I came home, the wheels started pinning, we turned it into a company because we figured, ballpoint pen isn`t the answer, but maybe a customized temporary tattoo is.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The solution? The SafetyTat, customized temporary tattoos the parents can order online with messages like, "If lost please call and alerts. Not allergies."
M. WELSH: We`ve gotten fantastic feedbacks from other parents talking about how wonderful Safetytat is and how it helped them so far. So we are thrilled to be helping families and their children stay connected.
ANNOUNCER: Go to CNN.com/Nancygrace for details.
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GRACE: Let`s stop and remember Navy Petty Officer Second Class Kevin Bewley, only 27, Hector, Arkansas, killed in Iraq. Second tour, awarded the Purple Heart, bronze star. Loyal friend, loved camping and traveling with his brother. The two even driving to the Aurora Borealis, the Arctic Circle, the Northern Lights. Loved reading bedtime stories to his little girl, 4-year-old McKenzie, leaves behind grieving parents Ron and Connie, brother Patrick.
Kevin Bewley, American hero.
Thank you to your guests but especially to you for inviting us into your home. See you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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