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Pressure Primaries: Four States Voting Tuesday; Poison Mystery: Motel Room Discoveries; Faced With a Shark; Jobs in the USA: Ohio & Texas Facts; Two Planes Collide; Raising a Millionaire

Aired March 01, 2008 - 10:00   ET

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NARRATOR: It's 3:00 a.m. and your children are safe and asleep. But there's a phone in the White House, and it's ringing. Something...

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BETTY NGUYEN, CNN ANCHOR: All right. So it's 3:00 a.m. somewhere this morning. The race is heating up as to who will answer that call next year. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama crank out competing commercials.

And CNN equals politics, and we are packed with your campaign news today.

T.J. HOLMES, CNN ANCHOR: Also, back from the battlefield. Prince Harry, he's back in Britain, but with some mixed emotions.

NGUYEN: And take a look at this fire. We're going to tell you what happened to the pets inside.

From the CNN Center, this is CNN NEWSROOM. It is Saturday, March 1st.

Good morning, everybody. I'm Betty Nguyen.

HOLMES: And hey there, everybody. I'm T.J. Holmes. 10:00 a.m. here in Atlanta, Georgia, 3:00 in the afternoon in London.

NGUYEN: And we do start with politics, the pressure-packed race for the nomination. A busy campaign trail today ahead of Tuesday's critical primaries in four states.

Barack Obama is in Rhode Island and Ohio today. Hillary Clinton in Texas.

For the Republicans, Mike Huckabee's also campaigning across Texas today, but John McCain, well, he is taking it easy. Yes, he is back home in Arizona.

Wherever the candidates are though, the best political team on television is right there with them. Consider it our own full-court press ahead of the Tuesday primaries. We've flooded the zone. Today our reporters are in Ohio, Rhode Island, Arizona, and of course, Texas.

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NARRATOR: It's 3:00 a.m. and your children are safe and asleep, but there's a phone in the White House, and it's ringing. Something's happening in the world. Your vote will decide who answers that call, whether it's someone who already knows the world's leaders, knows the military...

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NARRATOR: It's 3:00 a.m. and your children are safe and asleep, but there's a phone ringing in the White House. Something's happening in the world. When that calls get answered, shouldn't the president be the one, the only one, who had judgment and courage to oppose the Iraq war from the start, who understood...

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HOLMES: Yes, sleeping children and ringing telephones the center of the ads that are at the center of the presidential campaign this morning.

And CNN's Jessica Yellin has more on those ads and what the Democrats are doing today.

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JESSICA YELLIN, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Barack Obama is heading to Rhode Island today. It's one of four states that will hold a primary on Tuesday in the next big showdown in this race.

Obama has a special tie to that state. His wife's brother coaches the Brown University basketball team.

Now, this visit comes as Obama and Clinton are engaged in an increasingly intense ad war here in the state of Texas. Senator Clinton put the first ad up on the airwaves here in which she accuses Barack Obama, essentially, of not having the adequate experience to be commander in chief when the red phone rings in the White House in the middle of the night.

Obama hit back quickly with an ad of his own in which he basically argues that judgment -- his judgment -- matters more than Senator Clinton's experience. It's a fight over national security and an attempt to appeal to voters' fears about terrorism.

Now, all this comes in the lead-up to the March 4th primary must- win votes here in the state of Texas and in Ohio for Senator Clinton. Barack Obama's team trying to raise the stakes, saying Clinton needs to win by 10 points or more to stay in the game. No doubt, Clinton's team doesn't quite see it that way.

Jessica Yellin, CNN, Houston, Texas. (END VIDEOTAPE)

NGUYEN: All right. Those ads, they are highlighting the high stakes in Texas, and here's just how close the race really is.

Barack Obama leads with 48 percent in our poll of polls, just ahead of Hillary Clinton's 44 percent. But look at the number of people who still haven't made up their minds. That's 8 percent.

The Republican race is a little more clear-cut, according to the polls. Presumptive nominee John McCain leads with 53 percent, more than doubling Mike Huckabee. Texas Congressman Ron Paul is at 9 percent.

Well, a lot of Texans still haven't made up their minds with just three days to go, so what are they thinking?

Well, CNN's Ali Velshi has been hanging out on CNN's Election Express in Texas all week, and is joins us now on the phone from Seguin, Texas.

Good morning, Ali.

ALI VELSHI, CNN SENIOR BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, Betty.

We are, as you say, in Seguin. We're right in the heart of the central Texas oil fields.

Now, you know, we've been talking to people all week about the record prices of oil. We've been talking to them about gas prices. You know, that's the concern across the country. When it comes to the economy, we're talking about houses, we're talking about mortgages and jobs, and the market and oil, but oil has been the thing that people have been talking about because they are feeling it on their kitchen tables in terms of how much they are paying for the food that they buy and the things that they spend their money on.

Now, well, that was kind of surprising, because Texas is the largest exporter of goods in the United States, the biggest of any state, and that's because most of the exports are oil. You'd think that a lot of people are getting rich off of oil, but frankly, for those people who have to ranch or farm here in Texas -- and there are many of them -- they're really feeling the pinch.

Listen to this one gentleman whom I spoke to.

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DAVID MOORE, TEXAS RANCHER: It's getting costly when you're paying $3.50 for a gallon of diesel for, like, my truck, or you're paying $3.09 for a gallon of gasoline for a vehicle. It costs you to get down to the ranch and get back every day.

(END VIDEO CLIP) VELSHI: Well, we had spoken to a number of people who expressed the same concerns. So what we did -- we were in San Antonio until last night, where Hillary Clinton was and Barack Obama was nearby. We took the Election Express and we drove it into oil country.

So we're headed now for a place called the Darst Oil Field to find out what people who make their living off of the petroleum industry are thinking about these prices, because they've got to drive the trucks and they've got to buy the same things that everyone has to. But are they feeling that this high price of oil is actually benefiting them in their economy?

So that's what we are going to be doing today, and we will be back with you many times after we've spoken to people and figured out how those oil drills work.

NGUYEN: Well, that's going to be interesting, to hear what the people who making their living off of oil have to say, because a lot of people looking at those folks and just thinking, you know what? You're getting rich off of this, so what are you complaining about? But, you know, everyone's got to pay for gas, everyone's got to pay for electricity, so we'll see.

Thank you, Ali.

VELSHI: OK, Betty.

HOLMES: So, just how important are Tuesday's primaries? Here, a look at what's at stake for the Republicans -- 256 delegates. That's enough to clinch the nomination for John McCain.

NGUYEN: But for the Democrats, 370 delegates are up for grabs, and believe me, the candidates are grabbing for every last one at this point.

HOLMES: Well, here's the story in Ohio right now. John McCain getting 56 percent of the vote in our poll of polls. That's compared to 26 percent for Mike Huckabee.

A lot closer on the Democratic side. Hillary Clinton ahead there with 47 percent, Barack Obama 40 percent, but there are still 13 percent who say they haven't decided, and that's a pretty big number, just days away from the election.

NGUYEN: So, are you still undecided who you're going to vote for? Well, hear what the candidates are saying about the issues, all of it uncensored.

CNN's "BALLOT BOWL" begins this afternoon at Eastern.

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HOLMES: Well, police still trying to figure out how the rare, fatal poison ricin ended up in a hotel room. During the course of the investigation now, we've got a lot of new discoveries that are popping up, adding new confusion to this story. Head out now to Las Vegas. CNN's Kara Finnstrom on the story for us.

Good morning to you.

KARA FINNSTROM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good morning, T.J. The FBI, local police both investigating this morning, and we are starting to learn some new details.

We have now learned that in the room in the hotel just behind us, where that ricin was found, police also found anarchist literature and guns. And that literature had specific references in it to ricin.

We've also learned that those discoveries were made two days before the ricin was allegedly found and handed over to police. And that the discoveries made police suspicious enough at that point, that they made an unsuccessful search of the room for ricin.

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CAPT. JOSEPH LOMBARDO, LAS VEGAS POLICE: Acting on that information, they requested the presence of our armored team to do a test of the room for any presence of ricin. There was no positive test within the room and the room was determined not to be contaminated.

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FINNSTROM: That was two days after that that a man who says he's a relative of the person now in the hospital says he simply found this white powder in the room and turned it in to police. We asked authorities how it could be that he found it and their search didn't turn it up. They say they don't know, and that that remains under investigation right now.

One other development in this overnight. Police also searched a room at the Excalibur hotel, a room which this relative who found the ricin had stayed in on Wednesday night. They tested that room for ricin. They say it was just a precaution and the test did come back negative.

All of this has kind of prompted some new questions about whether this could, again, be related to terrorism, but police are still saying they don't believe it is. They say simply finding anarchist literature and guns does not make someone a terrorist -- T.J.

HOLMES: A lot to sift through out there in Las Vegas. Kara Finnstrom for us there.

Thank you so much this morning.

NGUYEN: Well, a homecoming for Britain's Prince Harry after his removal from Afghanistan. The 2nd lieutenant arrived back in England this morning, and British defense officials blame media reports for the prince's sudden withdrawal from combat. They say an Internet site reported his deployment in Afghanistan. They feared media exposure could have placed the prince and soldiers with him in greater danger.

Not too good that his cover was blown, but obviously, a lot of people saying that for there to be a media blackout as long as it was, CNN was also aware as well as many other outlets that he was there. And he was there for what, 10 weeks?

HOLMES: He was there for 10 weeks. As much as the media certainly in America, but also the British tabloids pretty notorious for putting stuff out there...

NGUYEN: Oh, that's true.

HOLMES: ... kept a blackout there. That was a really big deal, and people were saying, hey, the media can do the right thing in some cases.

NGUYEN: That's right. You hear that at home? We can do the right thing.

HOLMES: Well, we didn't -- I don't want to toot our horn here, but if you want to, go ahead there, Betty.

NGUYEN: Well, on this occasion. Let me put it that way.

All right. So I'll admit, there are some things that I just won't do, like jump into the water with man-eating sharks.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Crawl in a stockcar and go 180 miles an hour around a speedway. We should be able to go in the water with a high population of sharks.

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NGUYEN: Maybe with a cage or something that's protecting you from them, but wow, look at that picture. Why diving companies are being scrutinized.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We work with these animals every day. And they're a big part of our lives.

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HOLMES: Oh, poor thing there. She's upset here because of this fire.

It happened at a pet store. We'll explain to you what happened here and really the result of it.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) NGUYEN: All right. We are getting some breaking news out of Florida today.

We have learned that two airplanes have collided at Arthur Dunn Air Park in Titusville. At this point, reports show that there are a number of fatalities. An exact number is unknown at this time, but according to local reports, two people were actually rescued from one of the aircraft. They were taken to the Orlando Regional Medical Center with severe burns.

Both planes, according to this report, were home-built aircraft. Of course, the FAA and the NTSB are in route to investigate, but again, two planes have collided at Arthur Dunn Air Park -- airport, that is -- no, it is Air Park, in Titusville, Florida.

So far, there have been a number of fatalities. We don't have a good sense of exactly how many, but two people, according to local reports, have been rescued.

We'll continue to follow this story and bring you new information just as soon as we get it.

HOLMES: We'll take a look at some other stories making headlines this morning.

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NGUYEN: Well, for 25 years, tours have given divers a chance to get up close with sharks.

HOLMES: But for the first time last week, a diver with one tour group was killed in the Bahamas.

So how close is too close? Our Susan Candiotti is taking a close look.

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SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Whose heart wouldn't pound when faced with a great white shark chomping on a cage? Arvil Price is the amateur certified diver behind the lens who shot this video on a tour last year in Mexico.

ARVIL PRICE, SHARK DIVER: It's exciting. It gives you -- there's enough there, excitement, to give you this adrenaline rush.

CANDIOTTI: But the death of Austrian attorney Markus Groh last weekend especially stunned shark enthusiasts. He was on an open-water dive in this area of the Bahamas, where bull sharks are common, when he was bitten in the left calf. Far away from help, his tour operator called the U.S. Coast Guard and Groh was airlifted to a Miami hospital, but he couldn't be saved.

An autopsy revealed Groh bled to death.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was devastated. I mean... CANDIOTTI: The president of the Bahamas Diving Association, Neil Watson (ph), says he sent a letter to Jim Abernathy and other tour operators last summer. Abernathy operates the company involved in the death.

The letter asked him to stop cageless dives with more aggressive species, including bull sharks. Tour operator Abernathy has declined comment about what happened.

Competing tour operator Watson (ph) also uses food to attract sharks, but claims his non-cage tours focus on less aggressive species. Yet, some experts worry about too many repeat visits to some shark hotspots.

GEORGE BURGESS, UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA: The sharks get used to being fed by humans. They lose their natural tendency to be careful around humans, to be a little scared. And obviously, that's not good.

CANDIOTTI: Arvil Price isn't worried. He grabbed the last spot on the very same Bahamas tour that took Markus Groh's life last weekend, concerned the Bahamas might change its diving rules. Food or no food, cage or no cage, it's a risk these divers accept.

Susan Candiotti, CNN, Miami.

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NGUYEN: You know, the open-water diving makes for a great picture, it makes for a great story, but what if that shark gets hungry?

HOLMES: There's nothing -- I mean, you're just at his mercy if he decides he's not hungry right now.

NGUYEN: Right.

HOLMES: If he decides -- oh, that's nuts.

NGUYEN: It is. But, you know, a lot of people do go with those cage-diving tours.

HOLMES: Yes?

NGUYEN: I went on one in South Africa last year. Here's a picture of some of the great whites that would come up after they've been chumming for hours, trying to attract them to the boats.

It's one thing to have a cage, and a lot of people get upset about this, too, because they're saying it trains sharks to, you know, to come up to humans and to bite, and, therefore, maybe they will go closer to the shoreline. Now, scientists, you know, disputatious that, but at the same time, at least there is something between you and the shark.

HOLMES: Some kind of protection. But to each his or her own, and those tours have been around for a while. And you know, it's unfortunate we had to see a death here. I don't know if that will change some things, but, yes, people do it and they love it. But I am not one to even -- that picture of the shark behind us...

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NGUYEN: A little nervous just having it behind you?

HOLMES: Yes.

NGUYEN: I think you're OK.

HOLMES: All right.

Well, folks, you don't have to go diving with the sharks these days to face risks. Well, some of us are looking at our nine to five jobs and getting worried.

NGUYEN: Call it downsizing or whatever you want. Keeping jobs here in the U.S. is a huge campaign issue, especially in a couple of Tuesday's primary states.

We want to look at the state of employment in both Ohio and Texas. That's coming up.

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HOLMES: Well, the Democratic candidates have talked a lot about job losses in this country over the last seven years.

NGUYEN: You know, that is a big issue in both Ohio and Texas, where voters go to the polls in Democratic primaries on Tuesday.

And CNN's Josh Levs joins us now with a fact check on what exactly is happening with jobs in those key states -- Josh.

JOSH LEVS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes. Hey there, guys. I'm just popping in here really quickly.

I want to give you some basic information, because as you've been saying, we keep hearing about jobs in a way that we were not hearing a few weeks ago. As soon as it boiled down to Ohio and Texas, all of a sudden, that became this massive issue.

Well, there's a reason for that. I want to show you where things stand in those two states.

Let's start off here with Ohio. It's pretty bad. And we have this summary here from the "Cleveland Plain Dealer," but this is off of federal statistics.

Ohio's lost nearly 200,000 jobs just this decade, which is tremendous. There is a trade group out there that calls this the biggest seven-year job loss since the Great Depression.

Most of those losses are in the manufacturing sector, which, again, gets a lot of the NAFTA issues as well. Tremendous losses there. And the recent trend still, even up to now, is that it's still going down.

Folks, very different picture in Texas. Let's take a look at the numbers over there.

Texas actually gained jobs, manufacturing jobs, in 2005 and in 2006. Now, it lost some in 2007, but it still is overall ahead during that time.

And look at that last point there that we're seeing there from "Dallas Morning News." Dallas/Fort Worth added more jobs than any other major city in the country, except New York, but in the same time period, 2005 to 2007.

So, as these two Democratic candidates start focusing on building jobs, what you see are telling very different messages. In Ohio, there's an extreme focus on that. In Texas, you see it to some extent, but also they move over quickly to other issues that really hit home there, like immigration and that kind of thing.

When it comes to who will win Ohio, there's no question that jobs are one of the biggest issues facing that state. And whoever can offer the biggest platform -- best platform, obviously, will have a lot of support on Tuesday -- guys.

NGUYEN: All right. Thank you, Josh.

LEVS: You got it. Thanks.

HOLMES: Well, folks, so you want to travel, but watching CNN, you've learned the U.S. dollar isn't doing so well overseas. Hey, pack your bags anyway.

Veronica de la Cruz checks with expedia.com to get you on the go.

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VERONICA DE LA CRUZ, CNN INTERNET CORRESPONDENT (voice over): The sound, the beauty, the things you can expect to experience during a trip to Europe. Because the dollar is coming up short against the euro and pound, you may be thinking about putting that vacation on hold. But there may still be ways to do Europe.

CHRIS MCGINNIS, EXPEDIA.COM: If you really want to go to France or you really want to go to the U.K. this year, you just have to plan on staying in smaller hotels. Choose a hostel instead of a hotel. Plan on traveling to smaller towns.

DE LA CRUZ: So, Chris McGinnis of expedia.com says instead of visiting Paris, you may want to try Lyon or maybe Marseilles. An alternative to your London stay could be cities like Glasgow or Manchester.

And to get the most bang for your buck...

MCGINNIS: Try to pay for as much as you can up front in U.S. dollars. That means buying a package deal here in the states before you head over there.

DE LA CRUZ: Expedia says booking a European cruise is another option. Packages are typically all-inclusive, covering your room and meals.

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HOLMES: Well, three days, four states. The presidential candidates going after a key voting bloc, but which one?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These men care about the war in Iraq, they care extremely about change.

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HOLMES: Yes, they're looking for the white guy vote. You heard me right, the white guy. We're talking about the group that hasn't gotten much attention lately.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If your child doesn't go to college, they will get a bad job, and if they do go to college, they will get a good job. And that just is not true.

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HOLMES: What?

NGUYEN: So, not go to college? Not get an allowance? What's up with that? Well, this author and father of seven tells parents how to raise a millionaire.

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NGUYEN: Well, we do have some breaking news to tell you about out of Florida. An update now on that plane crash that we spoke about just a little bit earlier at Arthur Dunn Air Park.

We have Ben Baird with Central Florida News 13 on the line with us.

Ben, what do you know about what exactly happened here?

BEN BAIRD, REPORTER, CENTRAL FLORIDA NEWS 13: Well, Betty, let me tell you what's going on right now. We're actually looking at investigators walking around the scene, trying to begin the investigation process.

We just spoke with the chief from the Titusville Fire Department, and he told us that at this point, the firefighting, the emergency part of this situation has concluded. They are now moving into the investigation part. And here's what we do know. Witnesses that were nearby when this happened told us they heard a lot of -- a lot of noise going on, it sounded like the planes were doing all sorts of acrobatics and dive- bombing type things, is how witnesses described it. Obviously, we don't have any confirmation on whether that was what they were truly doing or not, but witnesses saying all sorts of strange maneuvers were going on just before this accident.

We're told that a plane came in doing very low maneuvers over the runway. That's when the plane came in, hit a plane that was on the runway, apparently, killing two people immediately.

Two other people were injured severely. They have been taken by helicopter to the Orlando Regional Medical Center over in Orlando, where their situation is said to be grave at this hour.

Strangely enough, while all this was going on, there was an Experimental Aircraft Association pancake breakfast going on just a few hundred yards from where this plane crash happened. We went over there trying to speak with a couple of the folks who were witnesses, actually saw this crash happen, and at this point, they told us they're just too shaken up to talk about it at this moment and they really are just trying to piece together what happened in their own minds.

As for the official investigation, they're still waiting for the NTSB to get out here on scene, but at this point, we have two planes completely destroyed, completely burned beyond recognition, and unfortunately, two fatalities at this point, and two other people in grave condition at ORMC.

NGUYEN: And we understand from local media that both planes were home-built aircraft. Again, two people killed in this. Those were the two people in the plane that were sitting there on the tarmac.

Now, the other two who were severely burned, are they the people in the plane that was flying in and collided with the plane that was sitting on the tarmac?

BAIRD: That is correct. They were in the plane that was doing those low maneuvers. We're not sure at this point whether this accident was caused by pilot error or by a mechanical problem with the plane.

However, we do know that when these two planes collided, one of the people in that plane that was doing the low maneuvers was partially ejected. The other person was still inside while the plane was on fire.

A couple of bystanders actually came up and helped to get those people out of the plane before it was completely engulfed, and that's the only reason those folks are still alive at this point. But again, they are in what was called grave condition at ORMC.

NGUYEN: Yes, we're told that they have severe burns.

All right. Ben Baird with Central Florida News 13. Thanks for that update. We do appreciate it.

HOLMES: All right. We will turn back to politics this morning, and commercial warfare going on between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, battling it out over the airwaves ahead of Tuesday's crucial primaries.

Her campaign touts her experience, saying she'd be the best leader in a crisis. His commercial is a very similar theme, but its message: judgment matters more.

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MIKE HUCKABEE (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If you're going to vote for me, don't let anything keep you from it. And don't go alone. Take a friend, take a relative, take somebody from work, take a neighbor, if they're going to vote for me.

Now, if they're not going to vote for me, tell them the election has been moved to April and it's not necessary for them to go vote. Let the air out of their tires that day. Do what you've got to do. But folks, we need Texas.

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HOLMES: We hope he's just joking. That's Republican Mike Huckabee, still cracking jokes along the way, and yes, targeting Texas voters. He says a win there Tuesday could help him stay in this race as the conservative alternative.

Well, the Republican front-runner and nominee-in-waiting, if you will, well, he's acting like the nominee-in-waiting. He's not campaigning today, not on the trail. John McCain is taking it easy right now, taking a break.

Mike Huckabee, meanwhile, hoping for a breakthrough.

And CNN's Mary Snow on the phone with us from Houston with more on the Republican race.

Mary, good morning.

We say more on the Republican race, but John McCain is taking the weekend off ahead of voting on Tuesday. It doesn't sound like much of a race still in his eyes, at least.

MARY SNOW, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You're right, T.J. Good morning.

You know, John McCain has been able to step back these past couple of weekends and go back to his home state of Arizona, where he is able to meet with staff. And reality is, they have to look ahead.

The math that is there by our CNN count, he's 158 delegates away from making it official to being the Republican nominee. He needs 1,191 delegates.

Now, Mike Huckabee says until that happens, he is going to keep fighting. But when you take a look at the polls, the last reading that we have, John McCain is about 53 percent to Mike Huckabee's 25 percent in Texas alone.

So John McCain has been campaigning here. He was here the past two days. But the reality is, Mike Huckabee is a long shot, and he is putting everything he has in these past couple of days to try and make an impression.

Mike Huckabee, as we speak, is in Laredo, Texas, this morning. He's going to be taking a tour of the border patrol headquarters.

Immigration is obviously one of the issues that Mike Huckabee is hoping will resonate with Texas Republicans, because Senator McCain has taken so much heat for supporting the illegal immigration reform bill, which many conservatives said had amounted to amnesty. So Mike Huckabee is trying to make those points.

But you know, really, he is hoping that any kind of upset here in Texas would keep him in this race -- or Ohio. It's a very long shot. As you know, he has kept a sense of humor, saying that he expects miracles, or hopes in miracles, and he is going to stay in that race until John McCain has the delegates needed.

HOLMES: All right. Well, we will see, Mary Snow, if he can pull off a miracle.

Mary Snow for us in Houston. Thank you so much this morning.

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HOLMES: Well, a California woman gets a water bill that could leave her financially drained. Eighty-six-year-old Eva Ramirez (ph) says she was shocked when she got a bill for what? Twenty-eight thousand dollars. This is a water bill, folks.

Now, it's actually correct. This is not a typo or a mistake. It's the result of a leak under her house. That leak was never fixed.

The family, of course, outraged right now. Well, utility officials say Ramirez (ph) was advised of the problem a year and a half ago. They say once that leak is fixed, however, they will work with her to lower that bill.

NGUYEN: Goodness.

Well, you don't have to be a millionaire to raise one, and you don't have to send your kids to college, either? I can't even say it because it sounds so crazy to me. Well, it's all in this book, "Young Bucks: How to Raise a Future Millionaire."

Yesterday I asked Troy Dunn, what is wrong with having a college degree?

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) TROY DUNN, MILLIONAIRE MOTIVATIONAL SPEAKER: There are certainly careers where you have to go to college. I wouldn't want a degree -- a doctor without a degree.

NGUYEN: True.

DUNN: But there are some people who are going to college because they don't know what else to do, which is a horrible decision, only gets you four years into debt and four years behind everybody else who actually had a game plan. If you have an idea to start a small business or you're not sure and you want to teach yourself the skills of the business world, skip college for now, get in the real world, learn what you love, then decide if you need formal education to continue that, and if not, keep going.

NGUYEN: But doesn't that put you behind? Say you get into business, it's a failure -- I mean, you're looking to examples like Bill Gates as, you know, the rule, instead of the exception here.

DUNN: No, no, gosh. You know, I could name people all day from Bill Gates to Michael Dell, to people like myself, who have been blessed with success. In fact, the awkward moment for me, usually, as a college dropout, is sitting there when we're hiring for a position, a high-ranking position, and out of all these college degrees applying to work to the guy that doesn't have a degree.

This is happening more and more in our society, and it isn't because college is bad. It's because college is just overrated.

We've created a scenario in the mindset of our parents where we make them think, if your child doesn't go to college, they will get a bad job, and if they do go to college, they will get a good job. And that just is not true.

NGUYEN: I hear you. OK.

Well, another thing that you say in the book is allowance is for losers and you're essentially teaching your kids to be welfare recipients. Come on, are you serious?

DUNN: I know, harsh. Yes, it's harsh, I know. But giving your kids free money is not the way to teach them the value of a dollar.

If I give you free money -- listen, watch when this government bailout shows up in May. Everybody is going to get that free money and they're going to spend it in ways they never would spend money because it is free, it has no value to them.

Giving your children an allowance, paying them to clean their room and make their bed, is like them paying mom to make dinner or drive them to soccer practice. We work together as a family to share the household. If your child wants to earn money, then we should teach them how to earn money, how to build a small business.

NGUYEN: And you say one of the greatest gifts to give your child is the gift of want. What does that mean? DUNN: Yes. This is a concept, I don't know why parents don't get.

Want is what is the fuel that drives the engine of action. You want something, and so you're at work today. I want something, which is to sell these books for charity, and so I'm out here taking action.

If you don't give your children the gift of want -- in other words, stop giving them things so quickly. You know, when your child says to you, I wish I could have a such-and-such. Instead of saying, well, sweetheart, maybe your birthday, maybe grandma will get it for you for Christmas.

Instead, say to your child, well, how much is it, $30? I'll tell you what, when we get home, let's talk about how you could earn $30, and then start empowering them with their own want.

NGUYEN: A lot of people don't want those old VHS tapes, so this is a way of transferring it to DVDs, and you do it for a fee, and a kid could pretty much go to the parents who are waiting in line to pick up their kids after school and solicit from there.

But one that I really wanted to talk about was this concept of renting a friend as a business, and that is providing companionship to older people for a fee. I mean, Troy, what ever happened to doing something because it's the right thing to do?

DUNN: Oh, I'm a big believer in service. In fact, I believe every child should have their own favorite charity. I believe -- and in fact I mention it in my book, that children should be taught how to tithe and how to give money to charity.

But there are people who are paying other individuals anyway to watch after and look after their senior parents and other individuals, and I am suggesting that children could be the best medicine. So if a child's looking to work anyway, and is willing to give his time to serve and to make some money for himself, then why not empower the children to be the ones that sit there with your senior parent and read a story to them or tell them about their day?

NGUYEN: But soliciting nursing homes? I mean, I think people would look at that and go, you know, you're focusing so much on the money that you're teaching children to be greedy and selfless.

DUNN: Oh, yes. No, no, that's a very shallow view.

The book is called "How to Raise a Future Millionaire," and I actually thought about titling it, "How to Raise a Future Philanthropist." But here's the real deal: you cannot give what you do not have. And so we teach our children to obtain and then we teach them how to share. And that is what I am teaching.

NGUYEN: All right. Troy Dunn, author of "Young Bucks: How to Raise a Future Millionaire."

So, you expect all seven of your children to be millionaires? DUNN: You know what? They're on the way. Six of them have a business. The 3-year-old doesn't have one yet because she's a little bit of a slacker. But we're working on her.

NGUYEN: Oh, come on!

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NGUYEN: Troy Dunn, it's been a pleasure.

DUNN: Thank you.

NGUYEN: Thank you.

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NGUYEN: So some of his ideas were really kind of creative when it comes to being that movie mogul, taking old VHS tapes and then changing them to DVDs and, you know, making a business out of that. But I don't know about having a kid starting a business by renting a friend, going to a nursing home and saying, you know what? You want me to sit with you? Pay me a little bit of money.

HOLMES: You know what, dad? Can we just throw the football?

NGUYEN: Yes.

HOLMES: I mean, can we just do that?

NGUYEN: Just be a kid, right?

HOLMES: Well, hey, it works for some.

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HOLMES: We've got some new pictures here we want to show you about a plane crash we've been talking about. Two people were killed. This is in Titusville, Florida.

These are the latest pictures, the newest, the first that we're getting from the scene from where this happened. This is in Titusville, Florida, where two people were killed and two are now severely injured after the planes collided.

One of the planes was on the ground, on the tarmac, another that was circling was coming down, and then collided with that second plane. The two people who were on the plane that was on the ground were killed. The other two had to be pulled from their aircraft and are now said to be in pretty bad shape right now with severe burns over their bodies.

These two planes were described as being home-built planes. There was an Experimental Aircraft Association event that was happening not too far away from where this crash happened. This is, again, in Titusville at an air park down there, the Arthur Dunn Air Park. But we're keeping an eye on this. The investigation now is certainly on the way. The map on the right there is giving you an idea of where this location is, but right now we're keeping an eye on this.

But unfortunately, two dead, two more severely injured, after two planes collided -- experimental planes, we're told -- in a crash at the Arthur Dunn Air Park there.

NGUYEN: We have much more to come right here in the NEWSROOM. Don't go away.

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HOLMES: How do you tell a Hispanic evangelical, a voter, to really reconcile the conflict?

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REV. SAMUEL RODRIGUEZ, NATIONAL HISPANIC CHRISTIAN LEADERSHIP: It's the proverbial rock and a hard place. On one side, we have the party that believes what we believe and respects social values, but does not want us. On the other side, we have a party that definitely wants us but does not resonate completely with what we believe.

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HOLMES: Yes. And they believe what most Republicans do believe. So why do they feel the GOP doesn't want them? Talking about Latino evangelicals here. That's in our "Faces of Faith" tomorrow on "CNN SUNDAY MORNING."

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE (voice over): When we say CNN equals politics, we mean it. With one of the biggest days of the political season approaching this Tuesday, CNN is flooding the zone with the best political team on television, bringing you the latest news from the candidates and voices of the voters, with reporters in the key states of Texas and Ohio and teams hard at work in our New York, Washington, and Atlanta newsrooms.

CNN has this story covered like no other.

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HOLMES: All right, and a live look here. They're waiting for not one of the candidates, but the spouse of one of the candidates.

Bill Clinton expected there in Lakewood today, in Ohio, expect him to speak to that crowd in a gym there. You can see that the gym not quite packed, but at least a small crowd there.

He's going to be certainly pumping up his wife and talking about the election coming up on Tuesday, when Ohio's going to be voting, a crucial state right now that his wife, a lot of people say, definitely needs to win. So this thing can keep going on.

We're keeping an eye on that and all things politics this morning.

A quick break. We're right back.

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NGUYEN: You know, it's time now to meet a CNN hero, ordinary people making an extraordinary impact on the lives of others.

HOLMES: And this week's CNN hero is an innovator who is not only helping individuals, he's helping communities around the world.

Jock Brandis, today's CNN hero.

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JOCK BRANDIS, COMMUNITY CRUSADOR: In Africa alone, women spend four billion hours a year shelling peanuts by hand. And I saw women whose fingers were literally bleeding shelling peanuts for even just a few hours.

The women in the village said, "Can you get a machine that will help us do it faster?" I said, "No problem. I can do that."

I went back to America. It didn't exist.

My name is Jock Brandis and I built a nut sheller that goes 50 times faster than doing it by hand.

When I first realized that I couldn't find this machine, someone had sent me kind of a sketch, and I tried to duplicate that. And it didn't work. And really, a friend of mine said make a mold and pour some concrete in there.

When we started making our machine parts out of concrete, all of a sudden, you know, it opened up.

And turn the hand briskly, and they're all done. Every little welding shop in the world can cut and fabricate these pieces.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just throw a few in.

BRANDIS: People transform their lives and transform a whole village with very, very simple parts, $28 worth of materials.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The women are doing good. They sell this food also. And they get some money for themselves.

We are happy. It may help them for a long time.

BRANDIS: People helped me do it out of the goodness of their hearts, and I felt that I should pass it on. And so it's now -- it's everyone's machine. It's Full Belly Project's gift to the world. I get up in the morning and have a cup of tea, and there's an e- mail from a total stranger and a picture. It's a happy person standing by their machine with a big grin. That's the best moment of all. That's the one I live for.

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