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Obama`s Pastor Raising Controversy; What Messages Does Spitzer Scandal Send?; West Virginia State Senator Introduces Hunter Education Bill

Aired March 13, 2008 - 19:00   ET

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GLENN BECK, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, Hillary and Obama, and the race card. There`s a new controversy over comments about Obama`s pastor and Hillary`s husband, raises questions about a possible double standard in the media. No, do you think you so? Why don`t we ask Mitt Romney?

Plus, hello, hooker. America, meet Spitzer`s hooker friend. Yes, her identity finally revealed, but now she says she`s the victim. I don`t think so.

And, a classic American pastime on the slide. I`ll tell you why the decline of hunters in America could ultimately affect your right to own a gun.

All this and more, tonight.

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BECK: You know, I think we should start every show like that. Hello, hookers.

Hello, America. I told you months ago, I don`t care about race in the presidential election. I don`t care what color you are. Tell me about your policies. Well, apparently, it`s just you and me that feels that way, because everybody is yakking today. Everybody is screaming about Bill Clinton, what did he say? Geraldine Ferraro.

Tonight, I`m going to introduce tow the new undisputed kind of all race-baiters, Barack Obama`s preacher and supporter Jeremiah Wright. So here`s "The Point" tonight.

We should all be outraged at the intolerant, divisive hate speech that Obama`s Reverend Wright is preaching. And here is how I got there.

It has been weeks. I know the media in this country has a very short memory, but when Mitt Romney was still in the race, religious views, and his position on what his church was doing, going back into the 1800s -- what were they doing in 1841 -- wasn`t that deemed fair game? It`s very important, because, remember, oh, you know, he wants to be president.

He was held to a standard of responsibility and accountability I`ve never seen before. Everybody said, fair game. Running for president. But yet, this man hasn`t been brought up, the man who Barack Obama has been listening to for 20 years. Take a look at this.

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PASTOR JEREMIAH WRIGHT, BARACK OBAMA`S PASTOR: It just came to me, with, within the past few weeks, y`all, why so many folk are hating on Barack Obama. He doesn`t fit the model. He ain`t white. He ain`t rich. And he ain`t privileged.

Hillary never had a cab whiz past her and not pick her up because her skin was the wrong color. Hillary never had to worry about being pulled over in her car as a black man driving in the wrong -- I am sick of Negroes who just do not get it.

Hillary was not a black boy raised in a single parent home. Barack was. Barack knows what it means to be a black man living in a country, and a culture that is controlled by rich, white people. Hillary can never know that. Hillary ain`t never been called a (EXPLETIVE DELETED). Hillary has never had her people defined as non-present.

Oh, I am so glad that I got a God who knows what it is to be a poor, black man in a country and a culture that is controlled by and run by rich white people.

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BECK: In case you`re wondering, we bleeped the reverend`s use of the "N" word. It looks like I have more restraint and respect than he does.

This video now is over a month old. Why is it this hasn`t been on the "NBC Nightly News"? Why is it a lot of people in the audience are seeing it for the first time tonight? Does that sound like a guy you want to have access to the president of the United States? This is the guy that gave Obama the title of his book. Where`s the national outrage? Where are the people of all races, creeds, political parties? Can I only really be the one guy who`s offended by this?

Obama`s campaign released a statement to ABCNews.com. Listen to this quote: "Senator Obama has said repeatedly that personal attacks such as this have no place in this campaign or our politics, whether they`re offered from a platform at a rally or the pulpit of a church, Senator Obama does not think of the pastor of his church in political terms. He`s like a family member, and there are things that he says with which Senator Obama deeply disagrees."

Senator Obama, I am sorry, I don`t buy that bull crap. I`m -- I`m afraid the disagreeing with this, with disagreeing with Reverend Wright`s statements on Louis Farrakhan, just not good enough.

So, tonight, America, here`s what you need to know. Senator Obama, if you wanted to denounce the reverend`s hate speech, you wanted to do that, you shouldn`t have done it today. You should have done it 20 years ago. You sat in this man`s pew for two decades, a man who praised Farrakhan. And I`m sorry, I believe it`s too late to separate yourself from him now. You can`t have it both ways. After all, you`re running for president.

John Fund is the editorial writer for "The Wall Street Journal." Earl Ofari Hutchinson is the nationally syndicated columnist and author of "The Ethnic Presidency: How Race Does Decide the Race to the White House."

John, let me start by you. Are you disturbed by the things that Reverend Wright said?

JOHN FUND, EDITORIAL WRITER, "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL": I`m just really glad that Reverend Wright is apparently going to be retiring this June. Sounds like it should have happened a long time ago.

BECK: OK. See, now, I think you are avoiding this question.

FUND: No. No. It`s obvious that Mitt Romney was asked, "How in the world can you run for president without giving a major speech explaining your differences with the Mormon Church and fitting it into the context of how you would govern as president?"

It is time for Obama. He has the right to sit in the reverend`s congregation for 20 years, but he should make a speech. He says he disagrees with him. Let`s talk specifics. How in the world does he disagree with what I consider hate speech?

BECK: OK. Let me ask you this, Earl: how long would you be sitting in a pew of this -- I mean, if his sermons, like to see all the video of his sermons or read his sermons, if his sermons are anything like this, for the last 20 years, how long would you sit in that pew before you said, "You know what? This isn`t -- I mean this is not filling me with the spirit of peace and goodness and bringing everybody together"? How long would you sit there?

EARL OFARI HUTCHINSON, AUTHOR, "THE ETHNIC PRESIDENCY": Well, you know, I would even say something else, Glenn. First of all, I wouldn`t sit there at all. So it`s not even a question of how long would I be there. I`d find another church, and I would be in another church.

But I would even take it a step further. I think there is a double standard here. I think there is a case of trying to have it both ways. You asked a question, a very direct question. Are you offended by it? Yes, I am offended -- offended by it. I make no pretense about that. And I will say that directly.

Now, the next question is, if, in fact, the Reverend Wright, and he has a right to his own views. But if he is a spiritual mentor of Barack Obama, he is a pastor of Obama, the church he`s belonged to for many, many years. And if he has those views, it would seem incumbent upon Obama to make a very forthright, a very vigorous statement and keep repeating those statements. He doesn`t speak for me, and also, I would even say one other thing, Glenn, too. I`d find another church.

BECK: Found another church long ago.

Let me tell you something. I sat with one of the -- the media giants in New York City, one of the big anchors in New York City, and I was told, "Oh, my gosh, back in the 1970s, the priesthood wasn`t given by Mitt Romney`s church to African-Americans. I mean, that`s crazy talk. Listen to the racism there." Blah, blah, blah.

Yet, I`m wondering if anyone on those major networks are going to work half as hard to try to say, this stuff is being said today.

HUTCHINSON: That`s why I say I do believe there`s a very, very decided double standard. You know as well as I do that they pounded Mitt Romney over and over again about the Mormon religion, about what happened 200 -- 150 years ago. He had to apologize and do a mea culpa every step of the way and distance himself, essentially, from much of the philosophy of the church.

But at the same time, there is a different standard with Mr. Obama. I don`t hear routinely, pounded on, "Look, you belong to this church. That`s right. You know, I mean, if that`s your view, say so. If it`s not, then say so. And if it`s not, you shouldn`t be in the church," and continually bringing up, over and over again, is this the kind of philosophy, is this the kind of even ministry that you would want to be associated with, especially since you have made it clear over and over again, I am running a broad-based campaign. There are no racial appeals or overtones whatsoever in my campaign.

John, there was a -- there was an editorial in "The New York Times." Because Geraldine Ferraro was booted yesterday. And basically, I don`t -- look, I have to tell you, what she said was Barack Obama -- I`m paraphrasing here -- Barack Obama wouldn`t really be in the position that he`s in, if it wasn`t that he was black.

I have to tell you something, in some -- at some level I agree with her. I think, and if I may quote "The New York Times" editorial by a liberal columnist, just this last Sunday, when they were talking about Obama and bigots. "The ugliest prejudices in this campaign season are not directly about race. Barack Obama`s skin color may cost him some working- class white voters, but it`s winning some votes among blacks and among whites eager to signal their open-mindedness."

Isn`t that really what Geraldine Ferraro was saying? She was saying that there`s a phenomenon going on, and part of it has to do with his skin color.

FUND: Absolutely. I have Republican friends who were taken up by Barack Obama. They`re thrilled with his soaring rhetoric.

But Geraldine Ferraro obviously could have articulated that much less clumsily. However, the people in -- in Obama`s camp, to leap on her, basically accuse her of racism, say that she`s following the vocabulary of David Duke, and to say that this is the end of civil discourse in America is just ridiculous. We cannot have political correctness smother all discussion of what is blindingly obvious.

What is it someone once said, a political gaffe is when somebody in advertently tells the truth? Well, Geraldine Ferraro was telling at least half the truth.

BECK: OK. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it.

Coming up, we finally know the identity of the hooker. Oh, good. I hope we have pictures. Eliot -- oh, yes, we do. Spitzer liked this woman. But let`s not forget what she is. She`s a hooker. But she says she`s a victim.

Oh, and I hear she`s got a new song out. We`ll make that point pretty clear, coming up in a second.

And if the Democrats have their way, our next president will be flying around the country singing "Kumbaya" with the world`s leaders, best described as unfriendly. But is this in the best interest of America?

And in the 1930s, countries all over the world were turning away the Jews. I, tonight, am going to introduce you to the new asylum seeker, the one that nobody wants to take in. Find out why, in tonight`s "Real Story."

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BECK: With gas prices set to reach record highs and the cost of oil continuing to rise at an alarming rate, we`re going to turn our ongoing economic conversation tonight to the highways. Specifically, how anyone is going to get anywhere after spending an entire paycheck just to fill up your tank. All that and more in just a bit.

Well, you`ve been patient. You`ve been waiting for days. And now we`re going to give you the carrot. Yes. Thanks to MySpace and the wonders of the Internet, we finally have the pictures. Oh, yes. There she is. Ooh. One of the hookers that Eliot Spitzer used to help destroy his wife and his children and the most powerful office in New York state.

Yes. Let`s look in, huh? Enjoy a little basic cable soft core porn. Wait a minute. What happened to the bikini one? Leave that on. Oh, yes. Mm.

You had an eyeful? Take it off the screen. How about the lessons we`re supposed to learn from the last four days? I mean, what message are we sending to our daughters? I got four of them. Here`s one message that we`ve sent this week.

Be like Mrs. Spitzer, sweetie. If your husband cheats with skanky hookers, just stand there by his side and look supportive for the cameras and then don`t let him retire, don`t let him resign. Say, "You stay in there and fight."

And look, honey, if you ever feel like real work is too hard and your singing career isn`t taking off, just sell your body. I mean, you`re hot. Sell it to the highest bidder. You make thousands in an hour. And if you get caught, maybe you`ll get a record deal out of it. After all, sex isn`t sacred. It`s a means to an end.

I have three daughters. I`m disgusted by the media`s celebration of these tragic, damaged women, none of which, except for his daughters, and ours, none of which are victims. I think our kids deserve better. At least mine do. I think yours do.

Lisa Bloom is the anchor of TruTV`s "In Session."

Hello, Lisa.

LISA BLOOM, ANCHOR, TRUTV`S "IN SESSION": Hi, Glenn.

BECK: You hate coming on this show, don`t you?

BLOOM: No, I love coming on this show.

BECK: Do you? Because I feel like every time you`re on, you`re, like, a little uncomfortable. You`re like -- you kind of...

BLOOM: No, I love -- bring it on, Glenn. If I didn`t like it, I wouldn`t be here.

BECK: OK. So, Lisa. Where am I wrong?

BLOOM: Well, I agree with you, it`s been a terrible week for women. But I don`t think Eliot Spitzer is much of a role model for men, either.

BECK: Oh, no, no, no.

BLOOM: I don`t like Silda Spitzer standing by her man. I think it`s time to do away with that tableau. As first lady, she`s a public figure. And in her public appearances, she should be thinking about whether she`s a role model. A doormat is not a role model. All right?

BECK: Can I tell you something? Here`s a woman who is -- she`s Harvard educated.

BLOOM: Yes.

BECK: For a while, she was making more money than he was. She`s an attorney, blah blah blah. She`s not a dumb woman. And yet, not only was she standing next to him, which you know, look -- you want to keep your marriage together? Whatever, that`s fine.

But standing next to him the whole time, that`s one thing. Going behind closed doors and fighting for him not to resign, that puts her in a whole different category, in my mind.

BLOOM: Well, her identity is tied to his, because she gave up corporate law to be the political wife. And look, she`s got privilege and education and money that most women in this country don`t have.

I would have preferred to see her say, "You know what, honey? Stand by yourself. You`re going to betray me, you`re going to talk about what you did to publicly humiliate our family, you go ahead and do that by yourself."

Behind closed doors, what she wants to do privately, to decide about her marriage, that`s her business.

BECK: Here`s -- here`s...

BLOOM: Public appearance is worthy of criticism, I think.

BECK: Yes. Here`s what I -- you know, on this -- on this scene right here, where -- this is where he was resigning, and she was standing there. I would have given cars to the Spitzer family if she would have then, when he was done, said, "Thank you very much," and she said, "Excuse me, I have something to say," and then walked over to the podium and let him have it.

BLOOM: That`s right.

BECK: Or, at least just, in a very classy way say, "You know what, ladies? Never, ever let a man walk all over you and humiliate you."

BLOOM: Yes.

BECK: "I had no idea this was going on, and I`m done with you, Eliot."

BLOOM: Hear, hear.

BECK: Wouldn`t that be incredible?

BLOOM: Hear, hear, Glenn. Yes, I don`t know why you don`t think I don`t like coming on your show. You`re such a feminist, Glenn. Why don`t you come out of the closet?

BECK: That`s -- well, speaking of feminism, let me ask you this. Where`s the National Organization of Women on this? Where are these organizations?

BLOOM: Well, I don`t know where they are. I don`t speak for them. I only speak for myself. But I can tell you that everywhere I go, girls and women stop me and talk about how disgusted they are about Silda standing by her man.

And now I think the big story today -- you really put your finger on it -- is this prostitute. I wrote on my blog today on CNN.com about how, think about what Spitzer`s done. He`s taken his attractive, intelligent, middle-aged wife and basically kicked her to the curb for this 22-year-old young woman who doesn`t appear to have a college education, who`s a would- be singer who talks about how she was abused as a child on her MySpace page, and she was homeless.

This is a typical profile for a prostitute.

BECK: You know what?

BLOOM: Fifty to 70 percent abused as children. This is what he`s choosing. He thinks of her as the 5`5", 105 pound...

BECK: Lisa, I`ve got to go.

BLOOM: Physical attributes. Doesn`t think about what`s going on inside of her or why she`s there.

BECK: Let me tell you something. She`s the female O.J. Simpson now. She`s going to spin her crime and spin all of this into songs or books, or whatever and...

BLOOM: She hasn`t killed anyone, come on.

BECK: Well, that we know of. Lisa, thanks.

Now, on tomorrow`s program, we`re going to sit down with two amazing American heroes, try to balance the week. I`m going to introduce you to Greg and Donna Steube (ph). These two people have gone through more than you could possibly imagine.

Greg is an active member of the U.S. Army Special Forces unit. He was nearly killed in an IED in Afghanistan during an unbelievable battle. It`s the biggest one with the Taliban on record.

The story of his recovery from the brink of death and what his wife did is something you -- you just don`t want to miss. Please, be here for the interview tomorrow, 7 and 9 Eastern.

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BECK: You know, I have to tell you. I always hate it when the gun rights discussion turns to hunting. And people say, "Oh, I need my gun for hunting. We should protect the sportsmen." I was a sportsman one day when I was a kid. You know what? I`m pretty sure our Founding Fathers drafted the Constitution, you know, and they weren`t thinking about, "Gee, hunting is probably is sport." It was survival. There wasn`t even any meat in the little Styrofoam container. I couldn`t have lived back then.

Responsible citizens want to own guns for a variety of reasons, and hunting is one of them. Across the country, however, hunting is on the decline. So if people stop hunting, do you think the anti-gun lobby is going to see that opening to restrict gun ownership even more? I mean, "There are no sportsmen left. Why should we have those evil guns?"

In West Virginia, they`re trying to inspire new interest by introducing hunting education into the public school system. Oh, people aren`t going to like that one.

Joining me now on this story is Billy Wayne Bailey. He is a West Virginia state senator. He`s the guy sponsoring the hunting education bill.

Billy Wayne, they`d hunt you down in the streets. They wouldn`t have any guns, but they`d hunt you down in the streets here in New York for this bill. Why you are doing it?

BILLY WAYNE BAILEY, WEST VIRGINIA STATE SENATOR: Well, hunting is on the decline in West Virginia, the number of licenses that we`ve been selling. And we want to stimulate that interest because it is a sport, just as basketball or football or any other sport is a sport. And it`s good physical activity. And it`s part of our culture here in West Virginia, to hunt.

BECK: Does the Second Amendment -- because you know what I just said a minute ago. As soon as the people aren`t hunting anymore, they`re going to go, "There`s no -- that`s outdated. There`s no hunters." And they`ll go for the guns. Second Amendment play any role in your thinking here?

BAILEY: No, it didn`t. But Second Amendment we hold dear and near to our hearts here in West Virginia. And we think that a good hunter safety course in schools, for the children to take as an elective. It`s not a mandated course. That it shows them the safety in using a weapon.

BECK: Billy Wayne, I just have -- I just have to admire this for a second, because I live -- I live here in New York, and just this week, a kid was busted in school for wearing a T-shirt with a gun on it.

Are the kids in class, are they -- are they using something that`s not shaped like a gun? How are you getting gun safety -- can you show them pictures of guns in school?

BAILEY: What we`re going to do, Glenn, is, the director of natural resources has videos that will be shown on gun safety, and will be different varieties of hunting weapons. And it will show each of the students in that class the proper and safe way to handle a firearm.

BECK: I can`t even imagine. You`re so lucky to live where you live.

BAILEY: Move on down here, man.

BECK: Here in New York or in California, I got to tell you. Showing that gun safety movie right next to Al Gore`s global warming movie in California, they`d go crazy.

Thanks, Billy Wayne. Educating our kids about responsible gun ownership.

We need to go right to the hate-monger quote of the day. And here it is: "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." Oh, the -- I mean, imagine the right to protect your home and family without a militia? God forbid. Who said that?

GRAPHIC: Thomas Jefferson.

BECK: Oh, of course. He hated everybody.

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BECK: Well, some people say that America`s image abroad is ruined. Democrats like Hillary and Obama blame President Bush and the GOP. I`ll tell you why that argument is just full of crap in just a second.

But first, welcome to "The Real Story." A few days ago, the stock market posted its biggest one-day gain in five years. Whew. The crisis is over. Today, a major fund unexpectedly failed, and it`s panic time again.

I think I speak for -- well, I think I speak for a lot of us when I say, OK, I don`t know what`s really going on. I just want to know why it costs me so much for eggs, bacon and to fill up my gas tank.

The key, I think, for all of us who don`t live on Wall Street is to stop listening to the day-to-day noise and instead just focus on the key things that actually affect us.

One of the biggest things is the price of oil. It hit yet another all-time high. Today, $111 a barrel. But everyone will tell you that oil prices are important, because how much it costs you to fill up your car or heat your house. But "The Real Story" is, oil has a hidden cost, as well.

Every extra dollar we spend on oil is another dollar that we don`t put back into our own economy. Let me do a little back of the envelope math to show you what I mean.

The beginning of last December, oil prices were about $89 a barrel. Yesterday, they were $110. That`s an increase of $21 per barrel.

Now, America uses 20 million barrels of oil every day. So you multiply $21 by 20 million barrels, and you get $424.2 million of extra money spent every single day by you and me. Multiply that by 105 days -- that`s what it`s been since December 1 -- and you get close to $45 billion.

Now, if I may put that into perspective. The stimulus checks, you know, coming soon to a mailbox near you? The whole thing the government did puts about $100 billion out there. But studies say only about 25 percent of that will actually be spent. So the checks may put in $25 billion back into the economy, but higher oil prices alone are dwarfing that.

In fact, when I said, a few weeks ago, that the only economy the stimulus checks are going to help is China, I was wrong, I admit it. I stand corrected. The only economy they are going to help is Saudi Arabia`s. In fact, the only economy that it`s not going to help is ours.

And if you want proof of that, you just talk to the country`s truckers, many of whom are small business owners just trying to scrape by right now. High gas prices, high prices on diesel, might be a nuisance for us, but they`re life and death for some of these truckers. And right now, they are dying.

Chad Beachler, he is a co-owner of Beachler Trucking.

Now, you just look like -- you couldn`t -- you couldn`t come on the screen with hair? You look like a trucker.

CHAD BEACHLER, CO-OWNER, BEACHLER TRUCKING: Thank you.

BECK: How are you, sir?

BEACHLER: Very well, thank you for having us.

BECK: You come on from -- in Ohio. You transport eggs from Ohio to Pennsylvania and New York, right?

BEACHLER: That`s correct.

BECK: OK. How much does it cost for you today to fill up your truck with diesel?

BEACHLER: Each truck is proximately around $800. It fluctuates, depending on how much fuel they have. Between $600 and $800 per truck. And we have nine trucks.

BECK: OK. And how much was it, you know, two months ago or last year? How much has that gone up? What is the increased cost to you?

BEACHLER: It`s really unconscionable how much it`s gone up. It`s to the point now where it`s virtually within -- I would say, it`s going up at least 40 percent, without putting an accurate -- you know, a calculator to it.

But the only thing I know is that I`m taking fuel cost that I had last year and paying approximately $3,000 a day, with our small fleet of nine, to approximately $7,000 a day now.

BECK: Holy cow. You`ve taken out an equity loan, or you`ve tried to refinance, just to meet these fuel costs, right?

BEACHLER: Well, exactly. If it weren`t for your local bank in Lauderville (ph), the Farmer`s Bank, they have been extremely helpful to us. And, you know, we paid off one of our trucks last -- two weeks ago. Excuse me. And last week we refinanced it on a line of credit to pay the food bill.

BECK: And the food is affected just as well. I mean, you have a family of four.

BEACHLER: Yes.

BECK: It used to cost you, what, $180 a week.

BEACHLER: Basically, yes. That`s gone up to about $240, so...

BECK: Unbelievable. Are you able to pass any of this onto your -- how much of this do you have to eat?

BEACHLER: We -- you know, we try to pass on a fuel surcharge. Right now our fuel surcharge is around 87 cents a mile. That`s a little on the high end, compared to what most companies are going to pay.

I`ve great shippers in Hillendale Farms, and you know, they have been very helpful in trying -- keeping us in business.

BECK: Chad, I`ve got to tell you, I know it`s not much, but I`m going to send you, because I think if you`re anything like me, you would drill through the head of a caribou to get to the oil in Alaska. I`m going to -- "Screw the Caribou, Drill Alaska" T-shirt.

BEACHLER: OK.

BECK: That`s available on the Web site. I`ll -- I`ll send it to you. Thank you very much.

BEACHLER: I sure appreciate it. And thanks for having us.

BECK: You keep it up.

BEACHLER: Thanks, Bill.

BECK: All right. I want to take a hard turn here and tell you a quick story. Back in 1939, there was a large cruise ship. It set sail across the Atlantic. On board, 936 asylum seekers.

After many, many days at sea, the ship finally reached Cuba, where it anchored, and it was sitting there in the harbor. It was waiting clearance to unload the people. Well, the clearance never came. Ship turned away from Cuba.

Next, the ship tried to get permission to enter the United States, come here. Nope. Canada, no. Went away.

Running low on food and water and unable to find any country to take them, the ship sailed back across the Atlantic, where its passengers were finally accepted into four different European countries.

The ship was the S.S. St. Louis. The passengers were German Jews, trying to escape Hitler`s impending Holocaust, the Holocaust that everybody knew was coming, no matter what the history book tells you now. Read "Mein Kampf."

Who knows how many of those Jews eventually ended up dead in one of Hitler`s death camps, because not one country, including our own, would stand up and give them shelter.

Unfortunately, "The Real Story" tonight is, the S.S. St. Louis sails again. But this time, it`s not Jews looking to escape certain death. It`s just one; one gay teenager from Iran.

This guy, while he was in Britain on a student visa, his boyfriend was executed in Iran after publicly admitting their homosexual relationship. Fearing that he, too, would be killed if he returned to Iran, he asked the British government for asylum. They said no. Why? Well, they don`t call it Londonistan for nothing. You do the math.

From there, he went to the Netherlands, a place where hookers and pot are OK, but somebody looking for asylum, who`s facing execution because of their sexual orientation, not so much. Why? Well, the Netherlands, this is where Van Gogh was assassinated by a radical Muslim over a movie script and then I think the cartoon thing, as well. Once again, do the math.

And that leaves this teenager nowhere, a man without a country. The Netherlands is shipping him back to Britain. Britain might ship him back to Iran. And then what? A public stoning? Maybe a nice, warm acid bath?

Maybe it`s time we update the great post-World War II poem. First they came for the Jews, and I didn`t speak up, because I wasn`t a Jew. Then they came for the homosexuals. And I didn`t speak up, because I wasn`t a homosexual. Then they came for me. And by then, there was no one left to speak up for me.

Who will speak up now and take this modern-day German Jew in?

Irshad Manji, author of "The Trouble with Islam Today," senior fellow of the European Foundation for Democracy, and -- oh, and the director of the Moral Courage Project at New York University.

Irshad, why do you think he can`t get into the Netherlands or the U.K.? Fear or paperwork?

IRSHAD MANJI, AUTHOR, "THE TROUBLE WITH ISLAM TODAY": To be honest, Glenn, I do think that it is paperwork. I know that, you know, both the Netherlands and the U.K. have been very open in terms of asylum-seekers in the past.

I can`t for the life of me figure out why this young man is having his humanity stripped three times. First, by being persecuted in Iran, simply for being gay; second by being turned away at the border, you know, in the Netherlands. And why is he turned away at the border in the Netherlands?

BECK: OK. Go ahead.

MANJI: Simply because they can`t figure out why the U.K. turned him away.

So, you know, this is -- this is the question. Do we really need to be treating asylum seekers in open societies of the west in the same way that they are treated in theocratic regimes like Iran; namely, as dehumanized, faceless entities?

BECK: Irshad, you know I love you.

MANJI: Uh-oh.

BECK: That`s the second time this week I`ve disagreed with you.

MANJI: OK. Bring it on. Bring it on.

BECK: Come on. The Netherlands -- I mean, we have the -- this is the home of the political cartoon; Theo Van Gogh getting knifed in the chest.

They`re about 30 days away. They just raised their security level. They`re about 30 days away from another anti-Islam movie coming out. They`re freaked out of their mind. The last thing they want to do is possibly upset the apple cart with Islamic extremists.

MANJI: You know, Glenn, you may be right about that. I`m certainly not saying that I`ve got all the answers, but obviously, neither do you. And here`s what -- no, no.

BECK: Well, now, you made me feel bad because I made you feel bad.

MANJI: NO, here`s what we do know. That these places trumpet themselves -- the Netherlands, the U.K. -- trumpet themselves as models of multiculturalism.

And in the recent past, they have gone out of their way in order to show that, you know, they are crucibles of all kinds of cultures, including gay and lesbian cultures, getting along. So this is why I really believe that incompetence is at the heart of all of this.

But Glenn, rather than merely speculating, I think it`s time that people like you and me actually got to some solutions, because it`s critical that we use our voices...

BECK: You got one?

MANJI: Yes, I do.

BECK: What is it?

MANJI: You know what? In the U.K., there is a group of parliamentarians that is actually signing a petition to get the U.K. government to give this guy asylum. And I am asking your audience to e- mail the first openly gay Muslim member of the House of Lords. His name is Waheed Alli, and we are going to...

BECK: Holy cow.

MANJI: Yes, exactly right.

BECK: That guy is popular, huh?

MANJI: We are going to be putting his e-mail address up on the screen.

BECK: It`s right there.

MANJI: OK. Write to him and encourage him to take a leadership role...

BECK: OK.

MANJI: ... in getting this young man the protection that he deserves.

BECK: I just have to ask you one ironic question. And that is, when Ahmadinejad was here in New York, he said that homosexuality, they don`t have homosexuality. What, they have no homosexuality.

MANJI: Of course. You know why? Because he`s killed them all.

BECK: Yes.

MANJI: It`s true.

BECK: I just have to ask you a question. If they don`t have any homosexuals there, why is it illegal? That would be like, that would be like -- that would be like banning unicorns. Wouldn`t it?

MANJI: Glenn, this is what we call a rhetorical question.

BECK: Yes.

MANJI: Not just an ironic one but a rhetorical one.

BECK: Thank you very much.

MANJI: This is why every day I thank God I live in this part of the world.

BECK: Bye-bye, Irshad. Love you.

MANJI: Bye.

BECK: That`s "The Real Story" tonight.

Coming up, if a Democrat is sitting in the Oval Office, does America stand a chance abroad? Image ain`t everything. Find out why, coming up.

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BECK: All right, besides hope, and change and, oh, higher taxes on the rich, there`s a new, another buzz phrase coming out of the Democrats in this campaign. I love it. And it is -- it`s restore America`s reputation in the world. That`s great.

I mean, even France, their foreign minister chimed in last week, saying the magic is over for the United States. Well, just call Disney. Make some more, you know what I mean?

Whoever takes over the president is going to need to fix our battered image overseas. Sounds great, doesn`t it? What the heck does that even mean? You know, it`s not like you sit there as president of the United States your first day and go -- and then everybody magically likes us.

You know, right now, the world doesn`t hate us any wider; they just hate us more than they did. It`s a deeper hate, you know what I`m saying? How do you fix that? Considering that each of the countries have a different problem.

For example, renouncing support for Taiwan might help us with China, but people in Lebanon, they could give a flying crap about that. They want us to renounce our support for Israel.

OK. So, what do you do? You can`t snap your fingers and make everybody say, "You know what? The United States and pudding pops, I love them."

So, let`s talk to an expert on this. Michael Gershwin, he is the senior fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations and the author of "Heroic Conservatism." I can never say this word. Conservativism.

Michael, how are you, sir?

MICHAEL GERSHWIN, AUTHOR, "HEROIC CONSERVATISM": Close enough. I`m doing great.

BECK: I just want to make you feel at home. You used to write speeches for George Bush so, I thought, eh.

OK. They don`t hate -- the world doesn`t hate us anymore. It`s not wider; it`s deeper, right?

GERSHWIN: That`s true. If you look at India, you look at Japan, you look at South America, you look at many parts of the world, America remains very popular. There are parts of Africa where America is more popular than it is among Americans.

BECK: I mean, for the love of Pete, where was Bush just the other day? They were singing and dancing and throwing -- you know, there was -- it was like a god coming in there.

GERSHWIN: Right. That`s true. But there is a significant problem in Europe and in the Middle East, and those problems have gotten deeper over the years.

BECK: OK.

GERSHWIN: And there are long-term reasons for that -- for that that have little to do with the policy of the moment or the debate of the moment or the Democratic proposal of the moment.

BECK: OK. But wait a minute. Hang on. There are some -- let`s go through some of them.

Russia hates us again. But you know what? The Soviet Union never really went away. I mean, I think they just changed coats and went, "What? I don`t know who that other guy was. No, no, I`m not the same guy."

They`re coming back with a totalitarian government. We don`t want them, I mean, we`d love to be friends with them, but I mean, they`re the old Russia.

You look at Europe, the reason why they`re pissed at us now is because we`re dumping our dollar, and it`s costing them money. What are we supposed to do?

GERSHWIN: Yes. And in Europe, as well, this is an increasingly pacifist continent. That`s an improvement over the history of the 20th century. You`d rather have a pacifist than a militant Europe.

BECK: Well, not one that`s being taken over by militant Islam.

GERSHWIN: Right, but and, but there is, you know, with this, these trends in Europe, these passivist trends in Europe, a country like Germany, a country like France, they are going to have tension with the United States, because it`s in our interest to provide world order and to do so often in military ways.

Germany is boasting that they have 2,000 or 3,000 troops in Afghanistan. That`s a country of 80 million people. They are turning in many ways from global influence, and they resent America because we play that role. And the next Democratic president is going to face the same dynamic there that the current one does.

BECK: George Bush told me one time, he said, "No matter what any of the people say on either side, no matter what they say they`re going to do, when they actually sit in this chair and get the briefings on security that I get every day, watch. Not a lot will change. There aren`t very many options."

You believe that to be true?

GERSHWIN: Well, I do believe that to be true, and the Middle East is an interesting example. If you look at the polling that`s been done on this about American popularity, or lack of it, they do want us to get out of Iraq. But they also want us to get out of Afghanistan and to stop the war on fresh and abandon our support for the state of Israel.

No American president, Democrat or Republican, Obama, Clinton, whoever will take those actions. And, that`s just a reality of world politics. A president needs, you know, to be prepared to have America resented in a good cause occasionally.

BECK: OK. Michael, thanks. Always great to talk to you, sir.

GERSHWIN: Great to be with you.

BECK: Now, don`t forget, tomorrow a full hour with two American heroes, Sergeant Greg Stube and his wife, Donna. Once you hear their story -- this is a story of patriotism. This is a story of courage, war, battle like you`ll never believe, and love that you will never, ever forget.

That is tomorrow, 7 and 9 p.m., right here on Headline Prime. Please don`t miss it

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BECK: Hello, Bunky. A lot of people feeling down these days. Economy going down the crapper. Elections already making everyone sick. And even though nobody recognizes it anymore, we basically have no borders, and Islamic extremists want to kill us.

But let`s play a quick game of, hey, at least you`re not these people.

Kory McFarren had some problems with his bathroom, and not your usual, typical bathroom problems, you know, like plumbing or a decor that needed an update desperately. The problem was that his 35-year-old girlfriend had been in his bathroom for two years.

Kory said, quote, "It just kind of happened one day. She went in, had been in there for awhile. You know, next time she was in a little longer. Then she got it in her head that she was going to stay. Like it was a safe place for her."

Of course, it wasn`t really safe for her. She obviously had severe phobia that need to be treated. And I hate to be graphic here, but when they finally got her out of there, she had been in the bathroom so long, her skin actually started to attach to the toilet seat. And now, she has nerve damage that may have her wind up in a wheelchair.

Her boyfriend -- this guy`s a winner, huh? -- says that she did move around inside the bathroom during the two years she was inside, but he would bring her food and water. And she`d eat and drink in the bathroom. Made things convenient, I`m sure. He would bring her clothes. Why, I don`t know, you know, she`d change apparently. I guess, if they had visitors.

Apparently, she did continue to bathe while she was in the bathroom, which I think it`s supposed to be for. Reportedly, they had full conversations in the bathroom and an otherwise normal relationship. Not even going there.

I don`t know what normal relationship is when it, you know, includes a female starting and completing the entire digestive process in the same room and the same chair. I just -- I`m just saying.

So, if you`re like me and you`re thinking, I don`t know, I might call the police, say, after a few hours. Or maybe you`re not really paying attention. A week, you`d call the police. Then, you are definitely not Kory McFarren.

He said, quote, "She`s an adult. She made her own decision. You know, I should have gotten help for her sooner. I admit that. But after a while, you kind of get used to your girlfriend in the bathroom all the time."

So, America, again, cheer up. At least you`re not these people.

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From New York, good night.

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