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Rosie O`Donnell Unplugged; Why Jamie Lee Curtis Says She Regrets Going Topless in a Movie; Sexless in Hollywood; don`t Mess With Lowe
Aired April 8, 2008 - 23:00:00 ET
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A.J. HAMMER, CNNHN HOST: Rosie O`Donnell unplugged, speaking out about Britney Spears, the presidential race and how she really feels about Elizabeth Hasselbeck. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York.
BROOKE ANDERSON, CNNHN HOST: And why Jamie Lee Curtis says she regrets going topless in a movie. I`m Brooke Anderson in Hollywood. TV`s most provocative entertainment news show starts right now.
HAMMER: On SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, don`t mess with Lowe. Tonight Rob Lowe`s shocking claim that his former babysitter is trying to extort more than a million dollars from him with disturbing secrets and lies about him and his family. But Lowe is not laying low. Tonight, SHOWBIZ TONIGH" with Lowe`s knockdown dragout counterattack and it`s getting very ugly out there.
Sexless in Hollywood. Stars speaking out like never before about not having sex. Lenny Kravitz saying he`s celibate. Miley Cyrus says she`s saving herself. Tonight, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT investigates why stars are shouting from the rooftops sex is not for them.
Plus, Naomi Campbell grounded. Tonight, why the slap-happy super model is not have a super Tuesday.
Hello. I`m A.J. Hammer broadcasting tonight and every night from New York City.
ANDERSON: Hi, there, everyone. I`m Brooke Anderson coming to you from Hollywood. And late today, we got some very surprising and unexpected news about Patrick Swayze and his brave battle to beat pancreatic cancer. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT with the late breaking details coming up.
HAMMER: But first, don`t mess with Lowe. Rob Lowe`s nannygate scandal exploded with wild charges flying so fast and furious, we had to duck to get out of the way. And get this, now there`s also a chef to tell you about. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT bringing you a sizzling story with a plot more outrageous than any TV show Rob has ever been in.
ROB LOWE, ACTOR: I have a great wife, great kids.
HAMMER (voice-over): When Rob Lowe recently visited SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, he told me how much his family means to him.
LOWE: I have a life that`s completely outside and has nothing to do with show business and I think that makes you well-rounded.
HAMMER: Now the "Brothers and Sisters" star is claiming his family is being exploited by ex-employees who wish to profit from his fame and fortune. And right now, Lowe has declared war against them.
KATIE DARYL, TMZ TV: Rob Lowe decided to unveil all this information on his own terms and bring it into the public light.
HAMMER: Lowe and his wife Sheryl filed lawsuits against three former employees of their house staff. They accuse one ex-nanny of trying to blackmail them, another of ex-nanny spreading, quote, malicious lies about them, and reportedly an ex-chef of stealing pills from their home, and get this, having sex on their bed while they were away. Good help is hard to find in Hollywood.
DARYL: The details seem to keep getting juicier and juicier.
HAMMER: SHOWBIZ TONIGHT can tell you Lowe and his wife are aiming their big guns at one particular ex-nanny who they say watched over their two sons off and on for seven years. In a bitter essay on the huffingtonpost.com, Lowe suggests the nanny fabricated a relationship with him. Lowe writes, quote, "A former employee is demanding my wife Sheryl and I pay her $1.5 million by the end of the week or she will accuse us both of a vicious laundry list of false terribles."
Lowe also posts what he calls text messages the woman sent after she quit, praising his family.
ROY SEKOFF, HUFFINGTONPOST.COM: Rob`s point was, is this the behavior, is this the language of somebody who`s been so deeply wronged.
HAMMER: Roy Sekoff of the Huffington Post tells us SHOWBIZ TONIGHT Lowe contacted the Web site because he wanted to get his story out before his accusers.
SEKOFF: Rob Lowe wrote very passionately about the fact that he didn`t want to be held hostage to somebody making these threats.
HAMMER: Rob Lowe knows a thing or two about scandal. A 1988 sex tape showing him, a woman and a 16-year-old girl almost ruined his career. Now Lowe says he`s fighting back against these new accusations because, quote, "A climate where anyone can accuse anybody of anything anytime and hope for a big cash payoff at the end. Hush money to just go away. Well, I won`t go away. No one intimidates my family."
But with lawsuits being filed left and right and more ugly accusations almost certain to come to light, Lowe`s fight may be just beginning.
HAMMER (on camera): And not only is it just beginning, but it`s really far from the end. With us tonight in Hollywood, Dayna Devon, the co-host of "Extra" and joining us tonight in New York, Ben Widdicombe who writes the Gatecrasher column for the "New York Daily News."
Dana, Ben, I appreciate you both being here. Usually it`s stars being reactionary to news that`s breaking. But Rob`s admission this was all going on is the first we`re hearing about this. Dana, I have to ask, even though the nanny was making threats to go public with all these threat, was it a good idea, do you think, for Lowe to launch this preemptive strike?
DAYNA DEVON, HOST, "EXTRA": Absolutely. This puts him on the offensive. He came out with both barrels blazing. It`s almost a brilliant textbook P.R. maneuver. I think designed to intimidate those former employees and gain the upper hand. And right now, I think he does have the upper hand.
HAMMER: What do you think, Ben, was it a smart move for Rob to come clean with all of this up front?
BEN WIDDICOMBE, "NEW YORK DAILY NEWS": I think it was very smart. Now he owns the story and gets to control the story. Now the three employees get a lawyer and tell their side. I`m curious to know why he filed civil suits and Jessica Gibson who is named as the alleged blackmailer hasn`t been charged with extortion, so she will have her say.
HAMMER: Yeah, as I said. This is really far from over. I think a lot is going to come out and there certainly is going to be a lot of court filings and paperwork that`s going to give us plenty of information and food to feed on. Lowe files these lawsuits. We mentioned that he wrote all about this in the huffingtonpost.com. He even went so far as to include text messages from one of the nannies. Now Dana, I understand revealing the threats. But what do you think he had to gain by going into so much detail with what was being said?
DEVON: Again, I think it`s a P.R. move and I think he was trying to paint a really thorough picture. He was trying to paint her as a very sinister extortionist and he was trying to paint himself as a very upstanding family man. Those are the pictures that are sticking in people`s minds right now. Then when she or anybody else finally does file paperwork, he`s able to say, look, see, I told you to, bad, bad, bad. Extortionist.
HAMMER: Yeah, because usually it`s that sort of where there`s smoke there`s fire feeling that people have when we start reporting these things on our show, when it winds up in the magazine. In this case I hear what you`re saying he was presenting a positive image up front. And we mentioned Rob Lowe nearly lost his career from that scandalous sex tape that got out of him and a 16 year old back in the 1980s. So he certainly knows what it`s like to survive a scandal. Ben, I`d have to think that`s partially what motivated him to get in front of this story.
WIDDICOMBE: Well, the Rob Lowe sex tape was to the VCR was what the Paris Hilton download was the Internet. It really damaged his career. It derailed it for almost a decade. He regained his popularity on "The West Wing" and now he has another hit with "Brothers and Sisters." So he has a lot to lose. And I think Rob learned from his earlier experience how to handle scandal like this.
HAMMER: It`s interesting all of this is coming on the heels of what just happened, Eva Longoria and Tony Parker settling with x17.com, they had apologized for an accusation that Tony was having an affair that they did not get in front of and Rob talked about this climate of payoffs and this climate of hush money in Hollywood on his posting on the Huffington Post. Dayna, does this happen a lot more than we actually ever find out about do you think?
DEVON: Truthfully we don`t know but realistically it has to. These are people`s reputations. Hollywood is built on reputations and I think people must all the time pay to save their reputations.
HAMMER: What do you think, Ben? Because you`ve had the inside scoop for a long time. I`m sure you hear about things and are told things off the record all the time that you can`t report on obviously. But is this stuff going on pretty regularly.
WIDDICOMBE: I think generally stars don`t give into extortion because generally people know once you start paying, you never stop paying. So I think it doesn`t happen a lot. As Dayna says it must happen some that we don`t hear of. But it`s not really a smart move to start paying these people because who knows when they`re going to turn the faucet off.
HAMMER: Again, repeating myself. This thing with Rob Lowe far from over, but I agree with you that he did the right thing getting in front of it. Dayna Devon, Ben Widdicombe, it`s good to see you both. I appreciate you being here.
And we want you to know you can now watch video reports from SHOWBIZ TONIGHT anytime you like on our Web site. New ones are up all the time. CNN.com/showbiztonight.
ANDERSON: So, I`ve noticed a trend, stars are speaking out like never before about not having sex. Lenny Kravitz says he`s celibate. Mylie Cyrus says she`s saving herself. I think it`s pretty noble. But we also wanted to know why are stars so open about their sex lives or lack thereof. We`re looking into it.
HAMMER: Plus Rosie O`Donnell unplugged. Her first major interview since leaving the view. And she is talking about everything from Britney Spears to a fight with Elizabeth Hasselbeck to the presidential election. I`ve got to say, I have always appreciated Rosie for her candor. And tonight that`s no exception. That`s coming up next.
ANDERSON: And the stories that made me say "Are You Kidding Me"? Listen to this. The "Simpsons" getting ditched for "Baywatch." And former "Baywatch" babe Pamela Anderson in a new reality show, I mean, come on, don`t we know enough about her already? That`s straight ahead.
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ROSIE O`DONNELL, CELEBRITY: The truth is, it was too many calories and I was doing it too often and I just thought, more beer. It doesn`t mean I don`t have a margarita at the Mexican place, because I do.
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ANDERSON: Rosie O`Donnell talking about her beer drinking on "Good Morning America" today speaking out for the very first time on live TV since she left "The View" last year. Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT" I`m Brooke Anderson. This is TV`s most provocative entertainment news show. It was the moment everybody had been waiting for, Rosie O`Donnell on live TV for her first extensive interview since her controversial exit from "The View" and sitting down with no less than Diane Sawyer. Wow.
Joining me now in Hollywood is Kim Serafin, senior editor for "In Touch Weekly" and in Los Angeles Ashlan Gorse, host of E! News Now.
Ashlan, Kim, Rosie, of course, left "The View" after a bitter on air knock down drag out fight with Elizabeth Hasselbeck. Bad blood but Rosie explained today that she now watches "The View" again and she also explained her differences with Elizabeth. Take a look.
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O`DONNELL: She`s very young. When I was that young and I had a newborn baby and one in diapers, your life is a little bit more black and white than when you get to be 46 and have gray hair all over.
DIANE SAWYER, ABC NEWS: You have no gray hair. There are some parts ...
O`DONNELL: Because there`s very expensive hair dye in there. Frankly, I would be all gray.
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ANDERSON: And I`m going skip over the all gray part as well. But, Ashlan, it seems as if Rosie had taken a chill pill. I was shocked because here she had a chance to take a shot at Elizabeth and instead deflected the question. Could it be the queen of mean is gone and the queen of nice is back?
ASHLAN GORSE, HOST, E! NEWS NOW: Now we have to remember what she was talking to. She was talking to Diane sawyer. Rosie likes to fight but she`s not going to fight with Diane, come on. That would not be good. So I think this was a toned-down interview for Rosie. She wasn`t sparring. She was just kind of taking it easy.
But she really didn`t have anything to fight over with Diane Sawyer because it was really just an interview about her and I think it was a little bit of a letdown to all of her fans who either love her or hate her for the fact that she goes out on a limb and tries to rile people up.
ANDERSON: Kim, what do you think? Has a kinder, gentler Rosie emerged?
KIM SERAFIN, "IN TOUCH WEEKLY": Yeah, this is definitely a side of Rosie that we haven`t seen in a while. More of the throwback when she used to do her show. Before she went on the view. And then even there was that period after "The View" where all we saw of her were sort of the rambling video posts that she put on her blog. She had no makeup on, bad lighting, her hair was cut strangely.
This is not quite the throwback to when she`s going to start calling people cutie patooties and drooling over Tom Cruise anymore. It`s definitely a different side of Rosie. Disappointing as Ashlan says to people who were waiting for her to say something really controversial.
ANDERSON: Yeah, waiting for her to say something explosive. And I have to tell you, another example of Rosie seemingly having softened is when she was asked whom she supports politically, Hillary or Barack. Listen to this.
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SAWYER: Hillary or Obama?
O`DONNELL: Both. I`ve been saying both from the beginning. I think that the only way they`re going to be able to really serve the nation and democracy is to put down their own egos and combine forces in some way, shape or form and save democracy.
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ANDERSON: Just so calm. Do you think, Ashlan, that Rosie may have realized that some people may have been getting sick of the nastiness, that she was polarizing people and it was time to take a step back?
GORSE: I do think people kind of realize that Rosie`s always in your face. That`s what you kind of want from her. But when it comes to some things like politics that she`s really passionate about, she wanted people to listen to what she was going to say. And I think that`s why she took that one point kind of on a laid-back road she usually doesn`t take. I think as far as with Rosie, it wasn`t one of those interviews where she`s going to get up in your face. Because even when she was on her old show, and yes she didn`t really fight with anyone on her own show because that`s because she was her own boss.
So I think that`s the thing for Rosie. She likes being her own boss, if it`s on her own terms, it will be an easy interview.
ANDERSON: It will be interesting to see if she is her own boss again with a new talk show. I think she`s got a lot of talent. I don`t think she`s done yet. Kim Serafin, Ashlan Gorse, it`s good to see you, thank you both.
And hey now we want to hear from you. It`s our SHOWBIZ TONIGHT question of the day. Rosie O`Donnell, do you want to see her back on TV? Vote, cnn.com/showbiztonight. E-mail us firstname.lastname@example.org.
HAMMER: All right. Here`s a trend we`ve noticed here at SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. Stars seem to be speaking out like never before about not having sex. Lenny Kravitz says he`s celibate. Miley Cyrus says she`s saving herself. So here`s what I wanted to know. Why are stars so open about their sex lives or lack thereof? That is coming up.
ANDERSON: Also. Is there a reality show curse? I don`t know why anyone would want to let the cameras into their family life given the track records of most of these shows. Accidents, divorces, addictions. We asked you what you thought. Your responses coming up next.
HAMMER: And breaking news about Patrick Swayze`s fight against cancer. I give him so much credit. Such a great guy going through such a tough, tough fight. Now for the first time, we know how Patrick is doing with his treatment. You won`t want to miss this. Still to come on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York. Tonight, is there a curse of reality shows? Well, SHOWBIZ TONIGHT can tell you that our viewers put a higher price on family than on fame. Back with us tonight in Hollywood, Kim Serafin, senior editor for "In Touch Weekly." In Los Angeles, Ashlan Gorse, host of E! News Now.
Ladies, we all know what happened to the Osbornes and the Hogans and of course Jessica Simpson and Nick Lachey after they all starred in their own reality shows. Family disaster. So when we asked our SHOWBIZ TONIGHT question of the day, the reality TV show curse, is it a mistake for stars to include their families? Look at this, 98 percent said yes, only two percent said no. About as lopsided as it gets.
Kim, does that surprise you at all?
SERAFIN: No, it doesn`t surprise me because I always wonder if you`re doing a reality show, what is going on in your life before you chose to do that. Why did you want to invite cameras and strangers into your house? Did you need that buffer? Were you not getting along with your significant other to begin with? You have to wonder where their career was, where their life was. It`s sort of like when you used to want to revive your career, you did a guest spot on "The Loveboat" but now you do a realirt show or "Dancing with the Stars."
HAMMER: Or "Match Game" back then. E-mails are flooding our inbox all day. I want to read one that comes from Jess in Arizona. She writes, "I think it`s a horrible idea for celebrities to put their families on a reality TV show. It`s hard enough to deal with problems in the family when done privately but when the world knows about it the stress of the situation multiplies."
Great point. But from Annette in Texas we hear, "Tricky question. If the show is done in good taste and both parents agree, I think it`s OK."
What do you think, Ashlan, do you buy that if both parents approve, is it all right or is it just a bad idea, period?
GORSE: Well, you have to think about it this way, what makes good TV? Maybe crazy people. Well, what makes a family, usually crazy people. So if you want to have a good successful show it might not be the best for the family but it`s going to make for good TV. So I wouldn`t put my family in a reality show. But you know what? I watch all the crazy families on the reality shows. So I can`t really say anything.
HAMMER: You do, but Ashlan, are you not sitting there saying, what the heck were they thinking putting it out there? It just never makes sense to me.
GORSE: Exactly. It`s definitely true. Once you put your family laundry out there for everybody to see, you open up your family for everything. And I think that when the kids are young and there`s young kids involved, that`s a really hard thing to do. But I also think if it`s done in good taste and the kids and parents don`t care ...
HAMMER: Then nobody watches. I call it bad long-term planning. Kim Serafin, Ashlan Gorse, thank you for being with us tonight, I appreciate it.
ANDERSON: I`ve noticed a trend. Stars are speaking out like never before about not having sex. Lenny Kravitz says he`s celibate. Miley Cyrus says she`s saving herself. I think this is really noble but we also wanted to know, why are stars so open about their sex lives or lack thereof? That`s straight ahead.
HAMMER: And the stories that made me say, are you kidding me? One of my favorite shows, the "Simpsons" getting ditched for "Baywatch." Former "Baywatch" beauty Pamela Anderson in a new reality show? Don`t we know enough about her already? Are you kidding me. All that`s coming up.
ANDERSON: Also, breaking news about Patrick Swayze`s fight against cancer. For the first time, we know how Patrick is doing with his treatment. We`ve got that coming up next right here on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
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HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York. Here are more stories that are new right now. We have breaking news about Patrick Swayze`s battle with pancreatic cancer. His doctors say that he has had an excellent response to chemotherapy and continue with treatment. Swayze and his wife Lisa tell "People" magazine they`re thrilled with his response and are very grateful for all the prayers and thoughts coming their way.
Kylie Minogue is speaking out for the very first time about a misdiagnosis that could have put her life in jeopardy. Listen to this. On the "Ellen Degeneres Show" the singer said a doctor actually gave her the all-clear after a mammogram when she actually had breast cancer. Unbelievable. Well, she got a second opinion after she found a lump in her breast. And she said, just because someone is wearing a white coat it doesn`t mean they`re right all the time.
Singer Toni Braxton is in the hospital in Las Vegas. Not exactly clear why she`s hospitalized. But she does have a heart condition she found out after her second son was born. Hospital officials only say she is in good conditions.
ANDERSON: So, I`ve noticed a new trend in Hollywood, stars are speaking out like never before about not having sex. Lenny Kravitz says he`s celibate. Miley Cyrus says she`s saving herself. We wanted to know why are stars so open about their sex lives or lack thereof? We`re looking into that coming up.
HAMMER: And the stories that made me say, are you kidding me? One of my favorite shows, "The Simpsons" getting ditched for "Baywatch." Ay carumba.
And former "Baywatch" beauty Pamela Anderson in a new reality show. Don`t we know enough about Pam already? Are you kidding me? That is coming up.
ANDERSON: And Naomi Campbell gets grounded? I`ve got to say it is not a super Tuesday for this super model. I`ll tell you why the skies may have just gotten a whole lot friendlier and maybe even just a little bit safer. That is still to come on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
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HAMMER: On SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, sexless in Hollywood. A lot of people think sex and Hollywood go together. But tonight, I can tell you, stars are speaking out like never before about not having sex. Lenny Kravitz, celibate. Mylie Cyrus saving herself. It`s a SHOWBIZ TONIGHT special report, sexless in Hollywood.
Naomi Campbell grounded. So we told you about the temper tantrum that got her arrested on a plane last week. Now you`ve got to hear what the airline is doing to her. Friendly skies? Not exactly. I`ll tell you, Naomi is going to be angry and you don`t want to make Naomi angry.
Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. It is 30 minutes past the hour. I`m A.J. Hammer broadcasting tonight and every night from New York City.
ANDERSON: And I`m Brooke Anderson coming to you tonight from Hollywood. This is TV`s most provocative entertainment news show. Tonight, a SHOWBIZ special report, sexless in Hollywood. SHOWBIZ TONIGHT is declaring a new trend in hollywood, stars not having sex. Including teen stars Miley Cyrus and the Jonas Brothers saying they`re holding out until marriage. But wait a minute, Britney Spears said the same thing and that backfired big-time. Even rocker Lenny Kravitz says he`s saving himself. But why on earth are they telling us about it?
In Miami, Steve Santagati of askstevesantagati.com and in New York clinical psychologist Dr. Judy Kuriansky. Dr. Judy, Steve, thank you both for being here and by the way, Dr. Judy is the author of "Generation Sex."
OK, you two, Miley Cyrus, also the Jonas Brothers. Those guys actually wear purity rings and I think it`s great to be so open about it.
But Dr. Judy, there are those who say, they`re young, they`re kids, why do they feel the need to proclaim to the world that they aren`t having sex? Why do they feel compelled to go public about their private decisions here?
JUDY KURIANSKY, PSYCHOLOGIST: They need to because we could tear our hair out over so many kids who are having sex. Listen to the statistics that are good news and support what Miley has said and that`s the number of high school students having intercourse has reduced 10 percent but it`s gone from over 50 percent to under 50 percent. That`s good news.
Steve, I don`t want you to tear your hair out over this. When Britney Spears was a young star, she proclaimed her virginity to the world only to be sandbagged by her ex Justin Timberlake who told Barbara Walters that they had slept together. See, some feel that thee kids could be setting themselves up for failure.
STEVE SANTAGATI, ASKSTEVESANTAGATI.COM: Apples don`t fall too far from the tree in that family anyway. Listen, bottom line is this, and I always use that term bottom line, if you`re announcing something on television, you`re doing it for one reason and that reason is publicity. What they`re doing is because all these other stars are on to the right- hand side which is crazy, showing your private parts on television and all this stuff, they`re going to the goody two shoes side. Otherwise, who cares what they do in their private lives? They`re teenagers. No one has the right to ask them about sex on camera anyways. Why do they have to come out and talk about it? They talk about it, it`s simple, because it`s publicity. They want to seem like angels.
KURIANSKY: It`s not just publicity.
SANTAGATI: Of course it is.
KURIANSKY: This is a psychological principle. When you declare something publicly to your friends, even in your own personal life, that means you`re accountable to it. And even if you don`t end up fulfilling that, it really is psychologically a great way to make yourself live up to that. So I`m all for it.
SANTAGATI: I think they`re trying to set a good example - I certainly think ...
KURIANSKY: Yeah, that`s good.
SANTAGATI: Yeah, but ...
ANDERSON: But you`re questioning if they`re being genuine about it, Steve.
SANTAGATI: Especially for the guys. Do you know what it`s like being a 15, 16-year-old boy? Neither of you do. Trust me, I`m not far away from that.
ANDERSON: They`re not shying away from the challenge. It`s something challenging and it`s good they`re not turning their backs against that. And I also want to say you have these young stars and you have 44-year-old rocker Lenny Kravitz who`s dated the most beautiful, famous women in the world, including Penelope Cruz and Nicole Kidman. He says he`s been celibate for three years. Listen to what he said on the CBS "Early Show" about why he`s decided to stop having sex.
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LENNY KRAVITZ, MUSICIAN: I believe in the end that`s going to help me to find the right person. So I`m not going to waver on that. That`s a promise I made to God three years ago.
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ANDERSON: Dr. Judy, Lenny`s promise to God is a wonderful one. What is he gaining, though, by telling the world about it?
KURIANSKY: I think it`s a wonderful example. He`s part of what we call the emo man, the emotional man.
SANTAGATI: Oh, gag me! I`m going to throw up in here.
KURIANSKY: Sex matters and there are more and more men and women who are becoming what we call second virgins. That means they can swipe the slate clean.
SANTAGATI: You can`t be a second virgin.
KURIANSKY: Start all over again. Of course you can. You can say never mind the past, I`m going to save my sexuality as an adult for somebody who is really emotionally is a valid partner for me and where I can be spiritually connected. Bless you, Lenny, be a good role model for other guys.
ANDERSON: Lenny says in the end it`s going to help him find the right person and he`s not going to waver on that. But you strongly disagree, obviously.
SANTAGATI: No, listen, I understand because I`m the same age, oddly enough. And I think when you`re not pursuing women all the time, there`s a certain amount of clarity that comes into your life. And when get anybody you want, like a Lenny Kravitz, then you can be celibate for three years and no one is going to point and laugh at you. But for him to come out publicly and talk about it, is he promoting an album? Does he have a movie coming out? Something happening? He`s trying to separate himself from the rest of the crowd. Which is very smart. I happen to like Lenny Kravitz. I think maybe if he`s living the life of a ascetic there Dr. Judy, there`s some value in it.
SANTAGATI: It`s a spiritual lifestyle where you get clarity by depriving yourself of worldly gain.
KURIANSKY: This is not about publicity for him. He has -- he can have any girl he wants. This is an excellent role model. Just like Miley Cyrus is trying to be like -- the idea of a guy saving himself for an emotional relationship when it really matters is exactly what should be shown.
ANDERSON: I`m going to have to step in. I applaud their decision. I personally do. I think it sends a terrific message to young people to respect themselves, respect their bodies. We will all agree to disagree. Dr. Judy Kuriansky, Steve Santagati, thank you both for joining us.
And remember, you can now watch SHOWBIZ TONIGHT video reports anytime on our Web site. We`re always posting new ones. That`s at cnn.com/showbiztonight.
HAMMER: All right. I am a huge fan of the "Simpsons." Have been for years. But sometimes viewer discretion is advised. You know what I`m talking about. Tonight, a major TV channel has actually stripped the "Simpsons" off the air because they think it`s not right for kids. What do they replace it with? "Baywatch." Are you kidding me? That`s coming up next.
ANDERSON: A.J. you know what else has got me saying, are you kidding me? Naomi Campbell`s temper, she went ballistic on a plane, got arrested. Tonight, I can tell you the airline strikes back. Coming up.
HAMMER: Jamie Lee Curtis is striking back. She is not happy at all with the media over the way everybody got all worked up over her topless photo shoot. You`ve got to hear this coming up on SHOWBIZ TONIGHT.
HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT, TV`s most provocative entertainment news show. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York. Tonight, I have two outrageous stories that are just making me say, are you kidding me?
SHOWBIZ TONIGHT heads overseas for this shocking story. Venezuelan TV has yanked the Simpson`s off the air saying it`s inappropriate for children. Not educational enough. But taking its place, "Baywatch, Hawaii." Are you kidding me?
And speaking of "Baywatch," an alum of the famous red swimsuit clan, Pam Anderson is bearing all in a documentary-style show on E! Is that what we`re calling reality shows now? Are you kidding me?
Joining me tonight here in New York, entertainment columnist for "The Village Voice" Michael Musto and in Hollywood tonight, it`s Kim Serafin, senior editor of "In Touch Weekly." All right, Michael, Kim, you`ve got Bart, Homer, the rest of the family, Marge with the blue hair, deemed inappropriate for children in Venezuelan. You`ve got to love they`re being replaced by "Baywatch, Hawaii." Because it`s just not educational enough. Are you kidding me? Michael, what exactly is the educational value of "Baywatch, Hawaii"? Perhaps how to use implants as flotation devices? I don`t know.
MICHAEL MUSTO, "VILLAGE VOICE. That`s the old one. In this one you could learn how to place a lei on implants. Volcanic ash, how does it settle on silicon. And most of all, do implants make tiny bubbles in the water. Remember the Don Ho song? Show of hands?
HAMMER: It`s not without its merit if in fact this is what`s taking place over there and the kids should be happy about it.
MUSTO: It`s totally worthless, actually, A.J., I was being facetious. "Masterpiece Theater" this isn`t.
HAMMER: Well, maybe Kim has a suggestion as to what the kids are going to get out of this. I`m thinking they certainly will run -- learn how to run correctly in slow motion.
SERAFIN: That is right. Come on, A.J. Give them credit. They are lifeguards and they save lives so that is a good lesson for kids. And they exercise. And when you run slow in the sand that`s even better exercise. And as Michael pointed out, this is "Baywatch, Hawaii." "Baywatch Malibu" you don`t learn much, but "Baywatch Hawaii," that`s kind of international.
HAMMER: I guess it does have a certain cachet that regular old "Baywatch" doesn`t have. I don`t like to get serious during this particular segment, but the last time I checked, kids in America who have been watching the "Simpsons," not exactly running through the streets in a depraved manner. Michael, what do you think they`re worried about over there in Venezuela?
MUSTO: I think they`re screaming Ay Carumba. I don`t know. Cartoons are really a form of passing subversive messages into something cute. But there`s no problem from that. Kids need to learn from this show that politicians are bad, corporations can be evil. And I don`t think there`s anything deep down that`s going to damage them. Are they afraid of Bart saying eat my shorts is going to have kids eating their shorts? At least they have shorts on this show, not like "Baywatch Hawaii."
HAMMER: Exactly right. I want to move on to something that is almost related. It is another story that has me saying, "Are you kidding me?" Got to wait for the big guitar riff there.
Is there anything else we really need to know about Pamela Anderson these days? She really has lived her life as an open book as we all know. She had the three husbands, the sex tapes, "Playboy." What else do we really need to see? Everything has been exposed. I don`t know, Michael, maybe an expose on the closet where she keeps her hair extensions and her eyelashes?
MUSTO: She is out of the closet. What`s her favorite Shakespeare play. Do we know that? No. Does she really favor "Othello" over "Richard III"? Where does she stand on the exit strategy from Iraq? We don`t know any of these things. Also, does her body hair match her weave and if she does is that a wig. We have to know these things.
HAMMER: Cut him off, cut him off.
SERAFIN: This program wouldn`t be allowed on Venezuelan TV. I`m just going to say.
HAMMER: The producers of Pam`s new show are saying it`s going to be highfaluting. It`s going to be shot, and I want to get this right, in the style of a uniquely shot documentary. What do you think that means, Kim? Is it going to make us a little smarter by watching it?
SERAFIN: Certainly more than if we watch the "Simpsons." It`s actually funny, when you read the press release, what the producers say it`s a visually stunning and artistically rich depiction of her emotional journey. That`s why most people want to watch a show about Pamela Anderson to see an artistically rich show about her emotional journey. I love reality shows but I love them because they`re cheesy and funny and kind of make fun of themselves and don`t take themselves to seriously.
So I hope they`re really not going for something serious with this. That would be disappointing. Go with the proven formula. Have her be here and not try to be something else that she`s not.
HAMMER: She is an American gem, I have to say that at least. Kim Serafin, Michael Musto, I thank you both.
MUSTO: Thank you.
ANDERSON: A.J., do you know what else has got me saying, are you kidding me? Naomi Campbell going ballistic, getting arrested on a plane. Girl, temper, temper. Tonight, that airline, British Airways, is reportedly opening up a super can of whoop you know what on this super model and Naomi ain`t going to like it one bit. You`ve got to hear what they`re reportedly doing next.
HAMMER: Brooke, I can tell you tonight that Jamie Lee Curtis is all fired up about that topless magazine cover she posed for. She is pretty upset with the way everybody promoted it as Jamie Lee Curtis naked. And she is speaking out. You have just got to hear this.
We`ve been asking you to vote on our SHOWBIZ TONIGHT question of the day. Rosie O`Donnell gave her first live interview since leaving "The View." She went off on politics, aging and yes Elizabeth Hasselbeck as well. Also talk she could get her own talk show. Once again, I want you to vote on Rosie O`Donnell, do you want to see her back on tv? Go to cnn.com/showbiztonight to cast your vote. Or e-mail us at email@example.com.
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WHOOPI GOLDBERG, "THE VIEW": Why would you mess with somebody you know is going to hit you with a phone? Somebody who is going to say, what did you say to me? Pow, right in the eyeball.
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ANDERSON: Whoopi Goldberg and the ladies on "The View", got that right, all fired up over Naomi Campbell`s arrest for throwing a tantrum on a British Airways plane at London`s Heathrow Airport. Welcome back so SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I`m Brooke Anderson. Tonight, more big problem for supermodel Naomi Campbell. British Airways had reportedly banned her from getting on its planes. Joining me in Hollywood again, Ashlan Gorse host of E! News Now and in New York, CNN AMERICAN MORNING`s entertainment correspondent Lola Ogunnaike. Ashlan, Lola, good to se you both.
And as well all know, the notorious temper-challenged Naomi pitched a fit after a piece of her luggage was reportedly lost. Then she allegedly spat on a cop and got arrested. Ashlan British Airways banning her. Is that the right move f. You saw Naomi checking in, would you check out?
GORSE: If I was this first class and I sat down and Naomi Campbell was next to me, I would not be a happy customer. Let`s put it that way. With her track record, it`s just kind of -- we know she`s going to do something bad and the fact that she allegedly spit on a police officer because they lost her luggage. Come on. They`ve lost luggage from all of us at one point in or lives. She has a problem.
ANDERSON: Lost luggage happens. They`ll get it to you when they find it. British Airways not commenting specifically on the reported ban. But Naomi`s spokesperson told SHOWBIZ TONIGHT quote, listen to this. "Naomi has been flying with BA for nearly 30 years and has been a good customer. She hopes this can be resolved amicably."
There have also been suggestions from Naomi supporters that Naomi may have been targeted because of race. But on "The View," today listen to what Sherry Shepherd said.
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SHERRY SHEPHERD, "THE VIEW": I think if Naomi Campbell hadn`t had so many instances of the anger issues, I could totally be with her. But now it`s just like this happens so much, next week, I`m going to use that excuse. I`m black, Barbara. I`m black, I`ve got to wear this dress.
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ANDERSON: Obviously Sherry joking and being light-hearted there. Lola, is it ridiculous to say it`s a racial thing?
LOLA OGUNNAIKE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It is ridiculous, Brooke. This is not about flying while black. It is about flying while crazy. Naomi has problems and none of them has to do with the color of her skin. She has got anger issues. She`s admitted that she has anger issues. Anger shows no color. Anger is colorblind. She has issues. She needs to resolve them and quickly before she has to walk everywhere instead of flying.
ANDERSON: True. She has been consistently hostile and aggressive over the years. Ashlan, can we boil this incident down to maybe the fact that people are fed up with her excuses and that she does just need to deal with her anger management issues instead of making those excuses?
GORSE: Exactly. And this is from somebody who`s already gone to rehab for anger management. She did some time for doing her past, the cell phone throwing. But she becomes more of a legal problem for these companies if she messes up with any of their other clients or any of their other customers, she becomes a problem for them. She`s going to find herself in a hard spot after this to maybe even fly anywhere. People are going to think twice about booking that plane ticket for her.
ANDERSON: Sure think. Naomi, just a few words of advice here. Just simmer down, please. Ashlan Gorse, Lola Ogunnaike, good to see you, thanks.
HAMMER: Well, Jamie Lee Curtis is pretty upset too. She think all this fuss over her topless photo for "AARP Magazine" was blown out of proportion
You`ve got to hear what she tells Oprah coming up next.
HAMMER: Welcome back to SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York. Tonight, Jamie Lee Curtis is revealing a shocking secret about her decision to go topless in one of her most famous roles of all time. She`s also furious about a magazine cover that she was topless for. And you remember this. Jamie lee just posed on the cover of "AARP Magazine" for her 50th birthday. She tells Oprah she`s not thrilled with how the whole topless thing was hyped up by the media.
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JAMIE LEE CURTIS, ACTRESS: Isn`t it fascinating that this constitutes being naked? What the F are we talking about?
OPRAH WINFREY, TALK SHOW HOST: I know.
CURTIS: In my world, this is called strapless. And yet they had to sell this magazine. I didn`t go around saying that I was topless. I have a 21-year-old daughter in college and a 12-year-old son. If I could take back "Trading Places" today, I would. I didn`t know I was going to have a child at 21 years old. When I was 21 and I exposed my breasts in a movie, I had no idea. I would never do that.
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ANDERSON: She looks great. Despite Jamie Lee`s concern, it is worth pointing out the headline on AARP`s magazine is this "Va-va-va-boomer. Hollywood Icon Jamie Lee Curtis goes topless."
Now Jamie lee dropped her top in that 1983 movie "Trading Places" but as you just heard, she wouldn`t have if she knew she was going to have kids.
ANDERSON: As we told you before, so many people where writing in about Monday`s SHOWBIZ TONIGHT question of the day. And it was totally one side. The reality TV show curse is it mistake for stars to include their families? I`m not at all surprised by this response. Take a look, 98 percent of you say, yes, two percent of you say no.
Here`s some of the e-mails we received.
Laurie from Wisconsin says "Yes and no. Yes it is a mistake for the stars to include their families but it would be really boring without their families on it."
And D.J. from Michigan simply says, "You`ve sold yourself to Hollywood, don`t sell your kids."
Just say no to putting your family on a reality show. That`s it for SHOWBIZ TONIGHT. I`m A.J. Hammer in New York.
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