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Nancy Grace

Missing Orlando Toddler 911 Calls Released

Aired July 24, 2008 - 20:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. Police desperately searching for a beautiful little 2-year-old girl, Caylee, after her grandparents report her missing. Little Caylee hasn`t been seen in five long weeks, last seen with her mother. So why didn`t Mommy call police?
Tonight, bombshell. A stunning 911 call released where the grandmother tells police Caylee`s mom stole both money and a car and tells police that the car now smells like a dead body. A tipster claims a new slab of concrete was poured behind the Anthony family home, this on the heels of cadaver dogs hitting on Mom`s car trunk and the grandmother`s back yard. Police so concerned, they bring in another cadaver dog, who independently hit from the same two spots.

And tonight: Caylee`s grandmother says the little girl may now have blond hair? A tipster claims she saw the 2-year-old boarding a flight to Atlanta. Was Caylee sighted in a restaurant in north Georgia? Tonight: Where is 2-year-old Caylee?

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911 OPERATOR: 911. What`s your emergency?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY, GRANDMOTHER OF MISSING CHILD: I called a little bit ago. The deputy sheriff (INAUDIBLE) I found out my granddaughter has been taken. She has been missing for a month. Her mother finally admitted that she`s been missing.

911 OPERATOR: OK, what...

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: Get someone here now!

911 OPERATOR: OK. What is the address that you`re calling from?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: We`re talking about a 3-year-old little girl! My daughter finally admitted that the baby-sitter stole her. I need to find her.

911 OPERATOR: Your daughter admitted that the baby is where?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: The baby-sitter took her a month ago, that my daughter`s been looking for her. I told you my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today, but I can`t find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me that she`s been trying to find her herself. There`s something wrong. I found my daughter`s car today, and it smells like there`s been a dead body in the damn car!

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GRACE: Tonight: A young mom reportedly goes jogging 7:00 AM Saturday morning, upscale suburbs, Cary, North Carolina, leaving behind her two little girls at home with Daddy. Finally, 3:00 PM, her neighborhood friend calls police.

Breaking developments tonight. A lawyer for Nancy Cooper`s family demands a mental exam for husband Bradley Cooper, saying his bizarre behavior before Nancy`s murder proves he`d be a danger to the couple`s little girls. A North Carolina judge grants custody of Cooper`s two little girls to Mom`s parents and twin sister, stripping custody from the husband. And tonight, the 911 call reporting the discovery of the missing mom`s remains.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The family of murdered jogger Nancy Cooper filing a motion today to have husband Brad Cooper submit to a psychiatric evaluation and psychological testing. The motion claims Cooper showed a bizarre pattern of behavior in the months prior to his wife`s murder through the present day. Friends of Nancy Cooper say Brad Cooper was often absent and had numerous affairs, including one with Nancy`s best friend, while Cooper claims his wife was a shopaholic, running up $45,000 in credit card debt. This comes on the heals of Brad Cooper filing a motion for the release of autopsy findings. Thirty-four-year-old Cooper vanished July 12. A dog walker found her body two days later. No suspect named yet.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Tonight, police desperately searching for a beautiful little 2- year-old Florida girl, Caylee, after her grandparents report her missing. Little Caylee hasn`t been seen in five long weeks, last seen with her mother.

Tonight, bombshell. Stunning revelations in the 911 call reporting Caylee gone. A tipster claims a new slab of cement poured behind the Anthony home. And tonight: Caylee`s grandmother says the little girl may now have blond hair? Are any of the alleged Caylee sightings legitimate?

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: Is your daughter there?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: I`m on the phone with them!

911 OPERATOR: Is your daughter there?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: Yes.

911 OPERATOR: Can I speak with her? Do you mind if I speak with her? Thank you.

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: I called them two hours ago, and they haven`t gotten here. She finally admitted that Zanny took her a month ago (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: Ma`am? Ma`am?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: Casey (INAUDIBLE) they want to talk to you. Answer their questions.

CASEY ANTHONY, MOTHER OF MISSING TODDLER: Hello?

911 OPERATOR: Hello?

CASEY ANTHONY: Yes.

911 OPERATOR: Hi. What can you -- can you tell me what`s going on a little bit?

CASEY ANTHONY: I`m sorry?

911 OPERATOR: Can you tell me a little bit what`s going on?

CASEY ANTHONY: My daughter`s been missing for the last 31 days.

911 OPERATOR: And you know who has her?

CASEY ANTHONY: I know who has her. I`ve tried to contact her. I actually received a phone call today now from a number that is no longer in service. I did get to speak to my daughter for about a moment, about a minute.

911 OPERATOR: And you last saw her a month ago?

CASEY ANTHONY: Thirty-one days. Thirty-one days.

911 OPERATOR: Who has her? Do you have a name?

CASEY ANTHONY: Her name is Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez.

911 OPERATOR: Who is that, the baby-sitter?

CASEY ANTHONY: She`s been my nanny for about a year-and-a-half, almost two years.

GRACE: And why are you calling now? Why didn`t you call 31 days ago?

CASEY ANTHONY: I`ve been looking for her and have gone through other resources to try to find her, which was stupid.

911 OPERATOR: OK. Can you give me the name of the nanny again, like, spell it out for me?

CASEY ANTHONY: Zenaida, Z-E-N-A-I-D-A.

911 OPERATOR: Last name?

CASEY ANTHONY: Fernandez...

911 OPERATOR: Fernandez.

CASEY ANTHONY: ... hyphen Gonzalez. I think the officers are here.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GRACE: Stunning allegations now revealed in the 911 calls placed by the grandmother -- repeat, the grandmother, not the mother.

Straight out to Mark Williams, news director with WNDB. What`s the latest?

MARK WILLIAMS, WNDB NEWSTALK 1150: Well, the latest, of course, is the revelation that they thought that -- some tipster called a local media outlet saying that concrete or pavers had been put down in the back of the Anthony`s back yard. That has turned out right now to be false. As a matter of fact, investigators were out the at scene last Friday with those cadaver dogs and moving everything and doing a lot of digging, and they don`t plan to come back. They have already cleared that back yard. And the Orange County, Florida, zoning board says they`ve never issued a permit back there.

Again, you`ve mentioned the two Caylee sightings here at the Orlando International Airport. The question is, nobody has seen the videotape or - - or -- because once you go into the Orlando International Airport, as you know, you`re on videocameras and on video screens constantly. That`s how they got astronaut Lisa Nowak earlier this year in that love triangle.

And of course, the sighting in north Georgia, in Cleveland, Georgia, where somebody thought they had a Caylee sighting. The police department went back there a couple of days ago and they talked to the wait staff, they talked to other people, and nobody could remember seeing Caylee whatsoever.

Again, the 911 tapes were released. That was the first time I had heard those tapes because as of late this afternoon, they had not been released.

And thus far, it`s a pretty interesting case, Nancy, and it has a lot of people baffled down here.

GRACE: Mark Williams, everyone, is joining us from WNDB there in Orlando. Mark, I`m sure the police have been to the Orlando airport and have looked at that videotape. As you pointed out, astronaut Lisa Nowak was caught that way. Nothing has turned up, that we know of, of little Caylee at the airport, correct?

WILLIAMS: That`s right. There`s been no release of any videotape. The authorities haven`t mentioned anything about any videotape. And thus far, if there was videotape to be had, I would think that it would be released, such as it was in the Nowak case, which came out just a couple of days after Ms. Nowak was arrested. So right now, it is an absolute mystery.

The grandmother, of course, Cindy Anthony, says her daughter`s (SIC) alive. Casey isn`t talking at all. But during a bond hearing the other day, it was one of the detectives saying that they think little Caylee is dead because they found -- the cadaver dogs hit on several different places, and of course, Casey`s Pontiac Grand Prix had that smell of decomposition in the trunk.

GRACE: Well, you know, repeatedly -- out to you, Mike Brooks, former fed with the FBI. Repeatedly, Casey`s mother, the grandmother, keeps telling me that there was nothing wrong, that she was in touch with her daughter throughout those five months (SIC), that she was just out bonding with her daughter. But that night 911 call reveals a completely different story. The grandmother`s been going on and on and on, saying there was an old pizza in the car and that`s what the dogs hit on, cadaver dogs trained to hit on nothing but human remains.

And here we have her saying that day -- it was the 14th -- July 14, she`s telling police, My car smells like there`s been a dead body in the car.

MIKE BROOKS, FORMER D.C. POLICE, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Tell you what, Nancy. She has -- she has she`s given a number of stories to both you, to "Headline Prime" news, to all different people. You know, it doesn`t add up. Her daughter`s not being truthful. You know, the other day, when I was on "Prime News," she was talking about another person that knows where she is. You know, she`s making up so many stories.

And Nancy, also, you know, with the whole airport thing, to shoot that down, you can also look on a manifest to find out if there`s an adult and a child. And also here in Atlanta, they have almost 400 cameras in Hartsfield International Airport.

You know, and the whole thing with her mother, Casey, on this 911 call -- she contradicts herself, Nancy. She said, quote, I actually received a phone call today from a number that`s no longer in service. I did get to speak to my daughter for about a moment, but for a minute." OK, she got a call today, but now it`s -- the number is no longer in service? That doesn`t make sense to me, Nancy.

GRACE: No, it makes no sense whatsoever. And Mike Brooks, having been a cop for as long as you have been, the very first thing the police would do is try to track down that number that the mother, Casey, says she received a call from and actually spoke to her little girl. They can determine was it a cell phone, was it a land line? They can get the location immediately. For Pete`s sake, you can get that off Yahoo!, for Pete`s sake!

(LAUGHTER)

GRACE: And now we`re hearing she has no idea where the woman has gone, took police to the wrong location where the woman allegedly lived. And they`ve actually found -- police found Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez, and she says, I`ve never met them in my life.

BROOKS: Exactly. She`s been -- she has not told one thing that`s been -- that hasn`t been a lie to police. And you know, her mother -- if her mother has information, too, Nancy, she can also be charged with obstruction of justice, if she has some information. You know, and this whole thing about the pizza? I don`t care if you`ve got pizza with sausage, pepperoni and Limburger cheese on it, it`s not going to smell like decomposing flesh. I know that smell. It`s a smell that you never forget.

GRACE: Back to Mark Williams with WNDB, joining us tonight out of Orlando. We also hear in the 911 calls -- just released, everyone. We`re going to play them again for you in just a moment -- the grandmother actually says Caylee`s mom stole not only money but her car.

WILLIAMS: You know, and that`s the information that apparently came out just today, and apparently also took some credit cards and started a shopping binge. So that`s being investigated right now. And why would you take a car and park it in a parking lot just to be towed later or impounded by police so they could go through the thing? And the thing that really strikes me strange is the fact that she waited 31 days before she called 911 here in Orange County.

GRACE: Speaking of the 911 call, take a listen.

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CYNTHIA ANTHONY: We can`t find my granddaughter -- 5-foot 1-and-a- half.

911 OPERATOR: Thin, medium or heavy built?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: Thin.

911 OPERATOR: Color hair?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: Brown.

911 OPERATOR: What color shirt is she wearing?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: White.

911 OPERATOR: What color pants?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: Oh, they`re shorts. They`re plaid. They`re, like, pink and teal and white and black plaid.

911 OPERATOR: Does she have any weapons on her?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: No.

911 OPERATOR: Is she not telling you where her daughter is?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: Correct.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: OK, did you guys call and report a vehicle stolen?

CASEY ANTHONY: Yes, my mom did.

911 OPERATOR: OK. So is it a vehicle stolen, too?

CASEY ANTHONY: No, this was my vehicle.

911 OPERATOR: What vehicle was stolen?

CASEY ANTHONY: It`s a `98 Pontiac Sunfire.

911 OPERATOR: OK. I have deputies on the way to you right now for that. But now your 3-year-old daughter is missing, Caylee Anthony.

CASEY ANTHONY: Yes, Caylee Marie Anthony.

911 OPERATOR: White female.

CASEY ANTHONY: Yes, white female.

911 OPERATOR: Three years old, 8/9/2005 is her date of birth?

CASEY ANTHONY: Yes.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: 911. What`s your emergency?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: I called a little bit ago. The deputy sheriff (INAUDIBLE) I found out my granddaughter has been taken. She has been missing for a month. Her mother finally admitted that she`s been missing.

911 OPERATOR: OK, what...

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: Get someone here now!

911 OPERATOR: OK. What is the address that you`re calling from?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: We`re talking about a 3-year-old little girl! My daughter finally admitted that the baby-sitter stole her. I need to find her.

911 OPERATOR: Your daughter admitted that the baby is where?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: The baby-sitter took her a month ago, that my daughter`s been looking for her. I told you my daughter was missing for a month. I just found her today, but I can`t find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me that she`s been trying to find her herself. There`s something wrong. I found my daughter`s car today, and it smells like there`s been a dead body in the damn car!

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GRACE: Straight back out to Mark Williams with WNDB, Newstalk 1150. Mark, did I hear you say the mom went on a shopping binge?

WILLIAMS: According to some statements that have been made today, Casey Anthony apparently stole her mother`s credit card, unknowingly, of course, to her mother and went on a shopping binge. That is one of the things that we learned today. Don`t know what the amount was, don`t know what they`re talking about, but apparently, police are kind of keeping mum on that.

GRACE: To Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst and author. Bethany, do you hear that? The baby is gone. The baby is gone, OK? And the mom goes on a shopping binge. Help me, please.

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: Sadly, I am not surprised. Nancy, you know the number one reason why women kill their babies or commit infanticide.

GRACE: No.

MARSHALL: It`s because they feel that the child is holding them back from an idealized life, either holding them back from the will love of a man or keeping them at home. That is the number one reason. So this completely fits the profile.

And then with pathological lying, which we know she is, the MO is to deceive and to violate the rights of others and to get your way. She probably had a long history of violating the rights of her own mother and the rights of her own child, and now we`re just seeing the aftereffects.

GRACE: Let`s unleash the lawyers. We`re taking your calls live. With us tonight, Eleanor Dixon, Atlanta, Richard Herman, New York, Mickey Sherman, New York. Mickey Sherman, how are you going to explain your client, when the baby has been stolen, is out on a shopping binge?

MICKEY SHERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know, I only hope that the baby has been stolen by someone because the baby`s going to be in better hands than these two loons.

GRACE: Shopping binge?

SHERMAN: It`s bizarre. There`s nothing you can do to rationally explain anything either one of these women, the mother or the grandmother, has done. But by the same token, they still don`t have any physical evidence that harm has been done to this child. I mean, everyone has these stories that it smells like a dead body. No proof that of that. The cadaver dogs didn`t find anything...

GRACE: The best witness I ever put on the stand...

SHERMAN: Dogs.

GRACE: ... was a dog.

SHERMAN: Always. You can`t beat them. But here the dogs still have found nothing.

GRACE: To you, Richard Herman. How are you going to explain the shopping binge?

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, it`s ridiculous. Like Mickey said, both she and her mother...

GRACE: No, no, no, no.

HERMAN: They look...

GRACE: You`re the defense lawyer.

HERMAN: ... nuts to me.

GRACE: You`re supposed to...

HERMAN: I`m not going to explain it.

GRACE: ... explain it.

HERMAN: I`m not going to explain it. She`s not going to say anything. She`s not talking to the police. Her lawyer cannot let them talk to the police. There`s something wrong with this woman.

GRACE: Well...

HERMAN: Thirty-one days!

GRACE: ... you`re right on that. They`re not talking to police. And to you Eleanor Dixon, felony prosecutor. What will they say about this newly discovered shopping binge while the baby is allegedly gone?

ELEANOR DIXON, PROSECUTOR: I think it just goes to the mom`s motive. And think about it, Nancy. They can go look at her credit card records and everything else regarding those stores and place her where the baby wasn`t.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They are saying that...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you know what they`re saying about in the trunk of the car?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: There was a bag of pizza for, what, 12 days in the back of the car, full of maggots. It stunk so bad. You know how hot it`s been. That smell was terrible.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: To Tracy Sargent. She`s here with her detection dog, Cinco. They`re both from Homeland Security. Tracy, do cadaver dogs actually alert on food, ever?

TRACY SARGENT, K-9 HANDLER: No, ma`am, they do not. That`s one of the training things we do with these dogs, that any distraction we might find out there, they are trained off of that. They are only to alert to humane remains scent.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: There`s something wrong. I found my daughter`s car today and it smells like there`s been a dead body in the damn car.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Let`s go out to the lines. Ashley in New Mexico. Hi, Ashley.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy.

GRACE: What`s your question, dear?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi. Yes. I was wondering, has anyone bothered to question if there were any signs of jealousy between -- of the bond between Caylee and the grandparents?

GRACE: That`s an excellent question. What do we know, Mike Brooks?

BROOKS: Really don`t know too much. You know, the grandmother -- the whole story, Nancy, as you say, if you look at the emotion of the grandmother -- you know, before she said, oh, you know, no, she knew where she was. You know, but we really don`t know what the relationship was between the two.

GRACE: Joining us right now, friend of Casey Anthony Tara Graff. Tara, thank you for being with us. You`re a close friend of Casey`s. What do you make of all of this?

TARA GRAFF, FRIEND OF CASEY ANTHONY: Oh! First of all, I`d like to say please forgive my speech. I`m pretty scared to be interviewed. I don`t know -- I don`t want to offend anyone. And if you hear anything in the background, it`s my daughter, so -- I can answer that question that that viewer had right now.

GRACE: Please do.

GRAFF: Well, the last time I heard from Casey, we had talked about that. And hopefully, nobody gets upset (ph), but most of it`s personal. But you know, like, I have a daughter. I`m 21 years old. And it was the same type of arguments that any mother and daughter would have. You know, like, me and my mother would argue about, you know, if there`s -- if she -- my mother wants to give my daughter juice, and I don`t want to give her juice.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When was the last time you saw Caylee?

CYNTHIA ANTHONY: Well, I thought it was June the 8th. I was adamant it was June the 8th. I know for a fact it`s June 15. The day I shot that video was the last time I saw Caylee, and I believed that I had shot it on the 8th, and now that I found out I shot it on the 15th, I know that was the last time that I saw -- that I saw.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That would have been Father`s Day. This little girl now missing five long weeks. Joining us right now is a friend of the mom`s, Casey. Her little girl, Caylee, is who you`re looking at right now.

Out to Tara Graff. Tara, I understand that you spoke to her phone in mid-June and you heard Caylee in the background.

GRAFF: Yes.

GRACE: And do you have any idea where Casey was during the five weeks she was gone?

GRAFF: No. No, absolutely not. I do know that she had been visiting friends, other friends of ours.

GRACE: What friends?

GRAFF: I don`t know specifically. But I know that, you know -- we just -- we hang out with everybody, so...

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

GRACE: Where was your client for the four weeks that Caylee has been missing?

JOSE BAEZ, ATTORNEY FOR MISSING TOT`S MOTHER CASEY ANTHONY: That`s -- part of that is some of the things that I simply can`t discuss because it`s protected by attorney/client privilege.

GRACE: But why, why is that a secret if she wants to find her little girl alive?

BAEZ: Well, I`m certain -- you know, you`re an attorney as well and you wouldn`t violate the attorney/client privilege. I`m a little.

GRACE: I would want to find the little girl alive, Mr. Baez.

BAEZ: I`m a little confused as to why you would ask that question.

GRACE: Because, I want to find Caylee alive and, obviously.

BAEZ: And she knows where.

GRACE: . you and your client do not.

BAEZ: She does not know where Caylee is.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

GRACE: Joining us tonight is our panel and along with us tonight a friend of the mom, Casey`s.

With us Tara Graff -- Tara, you stated that Casey was with a group of your friends, various friends, during these five weeks she was lost in combat. What friend?

TARA GRAFF, FRIEND OF CASEY ANTHONY: No, I meant that -- so far as I know she would visit some friends. I mean I don`t know any specifics. She never told me. That`s not something that we discussed so.

GRACE: Have any of the friends come forward and said, yes, she was staying here?

GRAFF: No, I don`t -- as far as I know I don`t know any of that. That`s not what we discussed last time I talked to her.

GRACE: What were you guys talking about?

GRAFF: Well, we just talked about some personal stuff. We talked about some relationship advice and my daughter`s -- well, you can hear her right now, but my daughter`s upcoming birthday. And Caylee was playing in the background and ever so often Casey would tell me to hold on because she was playing with Caylee.

Casey did talk, you know, like I told you, about some of what her mom and her were into. But it wasn`t anything out of the ordinary, you know.

GRACE: What was -- when you say what they were into, you mean what they were arguing about?

GRAFF: Yes, just those things that she was dealing -- you know.

GRACE: What, what were they arguing about?

GRAFF: You know, I mean, it was just little things like, you know, I can`t get into any specifics, but.

GRACE: Why?

GRAFF: It is like -- OK, like juice, kind of thing. It was like, oh -- I don`t -- because I honestly don`t really remember everything.

GRACE: OK, why can`t you get into specifics?

GRAFF: I`m nervous, because I don`t remember them. I`m sorry.

GRACE: OK.

GRAFF: I was really -- I was talking to her -- I was talking more than her and I wasn`t really listening, unfortunately.

GRACE: OK. What do you make of her going on a shopping binge using her mother`s credit card?

GRAFF: That`s the first I`ve heard of that. I don`t know. I can`t explain that. I know -- I don`t think that we have all of the facts from that, I mean.

GRACE: Tara, did she have a job?

GRAFF: That`s -- that touches personally with me. So far as I knew she did but now I`m just -- I`m just, along with the rest of America right now, because.

GRACE: What did she present was your job to you?

GRAFF: (INAUDIBLE) Universal.

GRACE: OK. Well, she was fired from that a couple of years ago so that`s not true. Do you know -- did you ever see a nanny with Caylee?

GRAFF: No, but I`ve watched Caylee sometimes. And our other friends have watched Caylee sometimes.

GRACE: So you -- do you than she had a nanny? Do you know of a nanny?

GRAFF: Baby-sitter, nanny, I mean, it`s all kind of the same thing.

GRACE: Well, then, do you know of a specific baby-sitter? Casey told her.

GRAFF: No.

GRACE: . told people that she had the same baby-sitter or nanny for a year and a half.

GRAFF: No, I don`t -- I don`t know anything about that, I`m sorry.

GRACE: Did you guys hang out in person?

GRAFF: Yes, we have, a couple of times. I mean we -- you know we`ve gone dancing. We`ve hung out at mall. We`ve gone for walks with Caylee. We`ve hung out at the mall mostly sometimes.

GRACE: Who was really raising Caylee? Was it Casey or her mother?

GRAFF: Oh gosh, Casey. Caylee was with Casey all of the time.

GRACE: OK.

GRAFF: Always.

GRACE: So you have no idea where she was those five weeks that she was missing?

GRAFF: I`m in Michigan. I`m -- my husband and I.

GRACE: So would that be no?

GRAFF: No. I`m sorry, no.

GRACE: No. OK.

We are taking your calls live. Out to Laura in Missouri, hi, Laura.

LAURA, MISSOURI RESIDENT: Hi, Nancy.

GRACE: What`s your question, dear?

LAURA: I would like to know, last night`s show, you asked the mother, lawyer, why he had not talking to the police and they were supposed to meet a half an hour after the show. And I was just wondering if they talked to him and if anything got resolved at all?

GRACE: Laura, Laura?

LAURA: Yes.

GRACE: I`m sorry to report to you that they did not meet with police. Didn`t even get close to meeting with police. And Mr. Baez was set to clear all that up tonight. But about two minutes before air, just after the 911 tapes were released, he decided not to give a statement after hearing the 911 tapes.

He says -- here`s his statement. He hasn`t had time to review them but he is disappointed that the police are focusing and allowing the tapes to be distributed instead of looking for Caylee.

Speaking of looking for Caylee, Mark Williams, the two reports of sightings are the police -- or the report at airport and report at a restaurant named The Cottage in White County in north Georgia, correct?

MARK WILLIAMS, NEWS DIRECTOR, WNDB NEWSTALK 1150: That`s correct.

GRACE: And to Mike Brooks, if it were at the airport, if that were true, there would be video. Trust me that one.

MIKE BROOKS, FMR. DC POLICE DETECTIVE SERVED ON FBI TERRORISM TASK FORCE: Oh.

GRACE: You were a fed for years and at White County police went to the location.

BROOKS: Right.

GRACE: They interviewed everybody there that worked there -- restaurant patrons, you name it. Nobody could remember anything about it. But Baez, the attorney, and the grandmother keep saying police aren`t doing their job. Police aren`t doing their job. What else can they do?

BROOKS: Baez couldn`t even remember what airline she was supposed to have been on flying from Orlando to Atlanta. I wasn`t real impressed with the guy last night, I have to say, Nancy, with all the attorneys we`ve had on here.

And you know, all he has to do -- go over to the jail, get his client, sit down with police, and let her tell her story. But he doesn`t want to do that. He`s too busy running his pie hole in the media and not wanting to find the baby. Period.

GRACE: I want to go out to Dr. David Posey, medical examiner, forensic pathologist with the Glen Oaks Pathology Medical Group.

Dr. Posey, the most convincing evidence to me at this juncture is that two independent cadaver dogs hit on two of the same spots, the very same spots. They brought one cadaver dog in, took him and the trainer away. Brought in another cadaver dog and the trainer, did to the reveal what the other dog had done.

The two dogs hit on the same spots. That being the trunk of Casey`s car over the right -- the right rear window, right rear tag and light. And also in the backyard of the grandmother.

Could anything other than a decomposing body have alerted the dog?

DR. DAVID M. POSEY, MEDICAL EXAMINER, GLEN OAKS PATHOLOGY MEDICAL GROUP: No, I don`t believe so. As already been stated, the smell of a decomposing body is distinct by itself. And I think the dogs are well trained to do that and I can`t think of anything else that would cause a similar smell unless by chance an animal was transported in that vehicle. But I think we`re probably thinking of something else.

GRACE: To Mike Brooks, cadaver dogs are trained to hit specifically on human remains. They will not alert on animal remains.

BROOKS: No, they will not, Nancy. And you know this whole concrete slab thing also, you can smell -- cadaver dogs can also detect scent through a concrete slab. But there was a new concrete slab there, and depending on the aggregate, the size of the pebbles that size made up the concrete, they would be able to do that.

And if they have any questions, Nancy, they could also use ground penetrating radar. I`ve used that with the FBI (INAUDIBLE) response team and you can use it to look through concrete.

GRACE: Back to Mark Williams, with WNDB Newstalk 1150.

Mark, the Anthony family came forward with a tipster regarding the alleged flight to Atlanta, spotting Caylee there.

Have police spoken to the tipster?

WILLIAMS: I`m not sure if they have or not. I think that`s still up in the air. But thing that gets me is the fact that some of these tipsters are calling the Anthony family directly instead of calling investigators here in Orange County.

Investigators in Orange County are a top-notch group of people. I worked the news media here. I have seen some of them. I`ve talked to some them. Carlos Padilla, who`s the PIO, is a straight-forward guy. They`re doing their job.

GRACE: Out to Bethany Marshall, what do you think, based on what you have heard so far, Bethany?

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": Well, I mean, I think what I said about often women commit homicide because they have the fantasy that this child is holding them back from a single lifestyle.

I would wonder what did she spend the money on when she went on that spending spree? Was it things associated with being free and single? That would be the number one question I would have on my mind.

GRACE: The stunning 911 calls released just as we go to air tonight reveal a very different story about the disappearance of little Caylee.

As we go to break, a special happy birthday to one of our show`s biggest fans, Michigan friend of the show, Paula Swain. Isn`t she beautiful? Wife and mother of eight, Paula totally deaf her whole life watches our show every night on closed captioning.

Happy 82nd birthday, dear Paula.

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UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: 911, what`s your emergency?

CINDY ANTHONY, MISSING 2-YEAR-OLD`S GRANDMOTHER: I called a little bit ago. The deputy sheriff I found out my granddaughter has been taken. She has been missing for a month. Her mother finally admitted that she`s been missing.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: OK, what is.

ANTHONY: Get someone here now.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: OK. What is the address that you`re calling from?

ANTHONY: We`re talking about a 3-year-old little girl. My daughter finally admitted that the babysitter stole her. I need to find her.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: Your daughter admitted that the baby is where?

ANTHONY: That the babysitter took her a month ago that my daughter`s been looking for her. I told you my daughter`s been missing for a month. I just found her today but I can`t find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me that she`s been trying to find her herself.

There`s something wrong. I found my daughter`s car today and it smells like there`s been a dead body in the damn car.

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ANTHONY: I have a 3-year-old that`s been missing for a month.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: A 3-year-old?

ANTHONY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: Have you reported that?

ANTHONY: I`m trying to do that now, ma`am.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: OK, what did the person do that you need arrested?

ANTHONY: My daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: For what?

ANTHONY: For stealing an auto and stealing money.

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GRACE: Not to mention the 2-year-old little girl who is missing, little Caylee.

We`re taking your calls live.

Before I take you to North Carolina and the story of Nancy Cooper, the missing mom found dead, I want to take your calls on this story.

Out to Patricia in Florida, hi, Patricia.

PATRICIA, FLORIDA RESIDENT: Hi, how are you?

GRACE: I`m good, dear, what`s your question?

PATRICIA: Actually, I`m curious about the nanny. There -- you know nannies have to be paid. Is there any kind of a paper trail, checks, money orders? They found her car at an (INAUDIBLE) which is a cash -- check cashing place.

GRACE: You know what that`s a very good point.

What about it, to you, Eleanor Dixon?

ELEANOR DIXON, PROSECUTOR: I think that is a good point and they certainly could check that but I think the best piece of evidence we heard tonight is that the mom`s friend said that Caylee was always with her mom. She never left her. So I wonder if there was really a nanny at all.

GRACE: And Mike Brooks, former fed with the FBI, we also know that the grandmother says that she never saw the nanny. And in the year and a half the daughter claims that she worked for her, she never saw her.

BROOKS: No, the grandmother they -- she would know and so would her friends, the people closest to her, Nancy. But I`m really going to be anxious to find out what the results of the test that they`ve done on the stain that was in that truck -- in that trunk. And also the hair that looked like they said it probably came from -- from Caylee and also the dirt that they found in that car. That`s going to be critical forensic evidence.

GRACE: Let`s unleash the lawyers, Eleanor Dixon, Richard Herman and Mickey Sherman.

To you, Richard Herman, last night, I accused the defense attorney of hiding behind the attorney/client privilege because he refuses to answer questions. He refuses to allow his client to speak with police.

Isn`t it true, Richard, that there`s an ongoing crime, such as kidnap, and your client knows about it -- aren`t you covering up a crime?

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Not covering up a crime, Nancy. It`s not Grace Law. It`s the United States of America. And he`s representing his client and he`s protecting her interests, and, look, you see, this woman looks like she`s going a loose screw. Her mother`s, her bias. She has no credibility -- the mother. The two of them hate each other.

He`s got to protect this woman. It`s a very serious case. It`s a tragedy. They must find this girl hoping she`s still alive but he has to protect his client, Nancy. Very serious.

GRACE: Mickey, I hope you`ve got a different answer.

MICKEY SHERMAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY, AUTHOR OF "HOW CAN YOU DEFEND THOSE PEOPLE?": A little bit. You know you`re assuming that the lawyer`s being told the truth by the client. And I`ve got to tell you that doesn`t exactly always happen. The lawyer has probably no clue as to what went on here. And so the lawyer`s just trying to put a lid on it, keep the woman quiet.

I doubt very much if the lawyer knows anything more than the dribble that we`ve already heard, secondhand here. And the lawyer`s point was really good. And that is, that what he`s ticked off about is they`ve already decided that she`s the guilty one so they`ve stopped the investigation.

GRACE: Well, she`s the last one seen with the little girl, Eleanor. The car gets hit on by a cadaver dog then a second cadaver dog, and everything she tells police is a big fat lie.

DIXON: That`s exactly right. Now attorney/client privilege, fine, we don`t want to waive that. But if you want to help and find your little girl and if you have information, you give it to the police.

GRACE: Everybody, we`re switching gears. I want to update you on the missing mom found dead.

Take a listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED CALLER: About her husband, maybe that he`s done something and I mean god forbid but.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: Has he been violent with her in the past?

UNIDENTIFIED CALLER: Well -- we -- I don`t -- he`s definitely been -- I don`t know if he`s been physically violent but I know there`s been a lot of tension. And a -- so I wouldn`t be surprised, I hate to say it.

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GRACE: Straight out to Amanda Lamb, reporter with CNN affiliate WARL.

Amanda, pretty disturbing what that friend believed in the 911 call.

AMANDA LAMB, REPORTER, CNN AFFILIATE WRAL: Very disturbing, Nancy. And we`ve actually learned a lot more in the last few days because Nancy Cooper`s family is trying to get custody of their two small children.

They had temporary emergency custody. And now they`re trying to get temporary custody in a hearing tomorrow. So hundreds of documents have been filed. Hundreds of pages over the last few days that detail this couple`s relationship.

And basically friends say it was a very troubled marriage. There were a lot of problems and they feared for their friend. And at least two of the affidavits say two of these women say they believe that this man killed his wife.

GRACE: To Gurnal Scott, with WTPF -- Gurnal, we also learned from Nancy Cooper`s friends that she slept in the bedroom with her little girls with the door locked and the car keys in her pocket out of fear for her -- from her husband. Is that true?

GURNAL SCOTT, ANCHOR/REPORTER, WPTF RADIO: That what the allegations in the documents are saying. That she stayed with her little girls and locked the door to keep Brad out because she was in fear and that was ready to go at a moment`s notice, like you said, kept her keys in her pocket if she had to get out right then.

And that -- many of the allegations that her friends are saying that this marriage was so strained that she lived if feared and tried to protect her girls by staying with them.

GRACE: Amanda Lamb with WRAL, we knew that there was one alleged affair on the part of the husband. But now we`re hearing allegations of four affairs including with one of Nancy Cooper`s best friends.

LAMB: That`s correct, Nancy. A couple of friends in the affidavit say they knew of at least four affairs total. Now Brad Cooper has admitted through his attorneys in his affidavit that he did have one affair and he says it was with her former best friend.

And again, it goes back to that allegation you were speaking of, where apparently one of those encounters occurred in the home when one of the children was asleep in the very same bedroom.

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BRADLEY COOPER, HUSBAND OF NANCY COOPER: I just want to thank all of the hundreds of volunteers that came out and are continuing to come out and if anyone knows anything, I just want them to contact the police with any information they may have. And I thank everyone who continues to come out and help out.

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GRACE: Out to the lines, Star in Canada. Hi, Star.

STAR, CANADIAN RESIDENT: Hi, Nancy.

GRACE: What`s your question, dear?

STAR: My question is, I wonder if they awarded temporary emergency custody to the grandparents because they were afraid that Brad had them he would flee?

GRACE: I think that`s an excellent suggestion. Also, we learned that they asked the -- the court asked for the children`s passports back. So I think that you`re dead on, Star.

Let`s unleash the lawyers, Eleanor Dixon, Richard Herman, Mickey Sherman.

Mickey Sherman, also author of "How Can You Defend Those People?" good question tonight.

Mickey, can you and Herman just surprise me and show me one guy, the wife missing, found dead, and he hasn`t had an affair, just one?

SHERMAN: Well, the bottom line is.

GRACE: Search your memories. Scour your brains and.

SHERMAN: He had an affair.

GRACE: Four affairs.

SHERMAN: Whatever. The marriage had tension. Therefore, clearly he`s the killer. Because every guy who has.

GRACE: That`s not what I said, Richard. That`s not what I said.

Richard, it`s almost like a formula.

HERMAN: And women don`t cheat, Nancy. That`s right, women don`t cheat. Is that what you`re trying to say?

GRACE: OK, you know what I like that. The defense deflect. Pretend it didn`t happen.

Eleanor, weigh in.

DIXON: Well, I think, again, it`s just another piece of evidence that goes in so many of these cases, Nancy. It`s like a broken record.

GRACE: Everybody.

SHERMAN: What evidence is there? The guy cheated on his wife. That happens.

GRACE: He was the last one.

DIXON: He didn`t call to report her missing and a neighbor, did hello?

GRACE: Thank you, Eleanor.

OK, guys, we`ll pick it up. But I want to stop right now and remember Army Staff Sergeant Ernesto Cimarrusti, 25, Douglas, Arizona, killed Iraq on a third tour. An accomplished disk jockey, he played at events and parties. Dreamed of being a music producer. Leaves behind wife Illana, daughter Vivian May, his parents and several brothers and sisters.

Ernesto Cimarrusti, American hero.

Thank you to our guests but especially to you for being with us. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern, and until then, good night, friend.

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