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Nancy Grace

New Developments in Search for Caylee Anthony

Aired August 25, 2008 - 20:00   ET

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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, GUEST HOST: Breaking news tonight. Shocking, and I mean shocking new developments in the case of that beautiful three- year-old Florida girl named Caylee, last seen with her mother, Casey.
Little Caylee has been missing, as you probably know, for 10 long weeks. Bombshells tonight. More than 400 pages of key documents just released minutes ago reveal that while pregnant the missing girl`s mother, Casey Anthony allegedly wanted to give little Caylee up for adoption. Friends are also claiming that Casey has a history of doing drugs and you will not believe what Casey`s own mother allegedly said.

These hundreds of pages of documents, including arrest reports and witness interviews shed disturbing new light on what authorities are finding out during their investigation.

After 37 days in isolation, mom Casey Anthony is now out of jail. A California bounty hunter and bail bondsmen put up $50,000, predicting she`s more likely to talk about out of jail. Meanwhile, just hours ago, Casey Anthony leaves home confinement to meet with jail officials and undergo alcohol and, yes, drug testing. But tonight, the big question remains, where oh, where is Caylee Anthony?

Just released, 400 pages of eye-popping documents reveals stunning new information in the search for three-year-old Caylee Anthony. Not only did mom Casey Anthony give police the runaround, claiming she did not know what happened to Caylee, but now we learn when Casey Anthony found out she was pregnant, she wanted to give up her little girl for adoption.

A friend of Casey`s who was interviewed exclusively by the police told them that Casey often talked about what life would be like without Caylee. She said things like, she missed partying. This friend also revealed that when Casey was pregnant with Caylee, when she was only 19 years old, she wanted to put the child up for adoption, but her mother, Cindy Anthony, would not allow her to do that. This friend said Casey did drugs. He mentioned that she smoked pot.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was there ever talk of Casey talking to you about giving up Caylee for adoption?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: The documents also reveal before investigators searched the Anthony`s backyard grandmother Cindy checked the shed and the grandfather checked the playhouse to check for any evidence of foul play.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She said to me, Jose, I`m innocent. I`m going to walk out of this place with my head high.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell in for Nancy Grace. Tonight, the desperate search for a beautiful three-year-old Florida girl named Caylee. The question, did mom Casey Anthony want to give up her little girl for adoption?

Shocking documents over 400 pages long reveal new details about the investigation. And it`s a bombshell. While pregnant with little Caylee, mom Casey Anthony told a friend she wanted to give her unborn child up for adoption. Casey Anthony also said she would have been better of and able to party more if she didn`t have a daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: On the day that little Caylee went missing or when Casey said she left Caylee with a baby-sitter, she gave very detailed information to the authorities about that day. But when they said, hey, can you give us some phone numbers, something to corroborate what you`re saying, she had trouble doing that.

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CASEY ANTHONY, DAUGHTER IS MISSING: You know I wouldn`t let anything happen to our daughter. If I knew where she was, this wouldn`t be going on.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Cindy and George Anthony said they did some searching of their own, looking in the shed, picking up Caylee`s playhouse there in the back yard and it sort of indicates that maybe they suspect foul play.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think she passed off the baby to somebody and the thing has compounded on her. It has grown out of proportion.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My daughter, when she came out of the bail, she kept her head up high in spite of everything because there`s nothing -- there`s nothing to hide. That little girl is out there.

C. ANTHONY: I just want Caylee back. That`s all they`re worried about right now, is getting Caylee back. And you know what, that`s all I care about right now?

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell in for Nancy Grace. Nothing to hide! Breaking news with stunning new developments that shed a whole new light on Casey Anthony, the mother of the missing little girl. Let`s go straight out to Mark Williams, news director at WNDB News Talk 1150.

Mark, you have been tracking this case from the start. What is the very latest with these 400 -- I`ve got them right here -- 400 pages of documents and how they relate to this stunning claim that Casey wanted to put her child up for adoption?

MARK WILLIAMS, NEWS DIRECTOR, WNDB NEWS TALK 1150: Well, those 400 pages came from interviews conducted by the local sheriff`s office of friends, they released her MySpace page. Hell, they even released her arrest record in these 400 pages. But the shocking thing is fact that she wanted to give up Caylee for adoption. She went to a high school friend, as a matter of fact, the high school friend had a little money on the side so she said, I`ll adopt Caylee. I can`t have any kids, but I`ll take care of Caylee for the rest of her life. Obviously, that never did happen. She had Caylee and in essence she took her home to George and Cindy Anthony. Also, another shocking development. There`s a friend by the name of Ryan .

VELEZ-MITCHELL: We don`t need to use last names at this point.

WILLIAMS: Yeah, OK.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ryan.

WILLIAMS: Ryan that says he`s known Casey since they were six years old. The deal was was he worked at the sports authority here in Orlando, in the Orlando area, Casey claimed that she worked there as well. And one day he got a call, or at least talked to Cindy Anthony, Casey`s mother, who said, stay away from her. She`s a psychopath. And for drug usage, pot. That`s about the biggest thing they`ve been able to find on Casey Anthony.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Mark Williams, I have to ask you and as I do, I want to show again. Take a look at this, 400 pages. Our staff has been going through this, reading -- speed reading trying to get ready for this show because they came in late this afternoon, one shocker after another. And Mark, the biggest shocker to me was what Cindy allegedly told a very good friend, the quote/unquote best friend of her daughter Casey, she`s a sociopath, Cindy said, of her daughter, Casey, and you should stay away from her?

WILLIAMS: That`s pretty much it. It`s all right there, contained in that 400-page report. I mean, I know of no other parent who would ever say that about their child. But apparently Cindy Anthony said that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Unbelievable. I think we need to bring in the shrink right off the bat. Janet Taylor, psychiatrist, you are hearing it now, Janet, that according to these documents, Casey allegedly -- and let`s face it, these are just documents. We don`t know the truth. But according to these papers, a friend told cops Casey wanted to give her child up for adoption when she was still pregnant. How does that shed new light and give a new cast to this entire case of this missing child?

DR. JANET TAYLOR, PSYCHIATRIST: Well, she was 19. She was unmarried, at that time, unclear if she worked. So it`s not unlikely that she would be ambivalent about her pregnancy, because that happens. So it may indicate her state of functioning, but doesn`t necessarily indicate her predictability for criminal behavior. I think it`s careful not to associate that feeling with that behavior.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Ron Shindel, former NYPD deputy inspector, when you look at this and you hear Cindy saying that he have nothing to hide and her daughter held her head high, but then you also, here in these documents that she`s describing her daughter allegedly as a sociopath, that her daughter is doing drugs, that her daughter expressed regret for having the child because now she can`t go out. The fact that we have her on videotape dirty dancing after the child went missing, what does this paint as a picture and can authorities use it to file more serious charges?

RON SHINDEL, NYPD: Well, it certainly has a cause for more investigation. We now know that she engages in some aberrant behavior that could cause her to do other things. That she`s not just a mother with a missing child at this point. The drugs, the statements, the opinions from the grandmother, if they`re proven correct, all lead to us a different light, that we need to look at her much more closely.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. We`re going to go to the phone lines momentarily. They are all lit up. Let`s bring in the attorneys, first of all, Mickey Sherman and Christopher Amolsch, I want to get your reaction to another chilling detail. According to an ex-fiance, he told authorities that Casey had deleted many photographs of her and her daughter on the Internet, which kind of dovetails with some of the other information coming in. Mickey, what`s your reaction to all of these stunning developments?

MICKEY SHERMAN, ATTORNEY: Usually, ex-fiances don`t say the nicest things about you. And don`t forget, they have that big, big thick document that you have. And you know what`s not there? Proof that she committed a crime such as murder or kidnapping or anything like that. They`ve got all that and it`s all one sided, don`t forget. They don`t have both sides of the story there. They have all the bad things, all the Catty or people who are her enemies say about her and all you can do is get her for dirty dancing.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I don`t know about that. Chris Amolsch. She apparently also told one of her close friends that she hates her dad and that there was arguing in the house. So if you take all these little pieces and put them together, don`t you have something that is quite dysfunctional and it`s not just a girl leaving home and accidentally dropping her daughter off with a baby-sitter who kidnaps her?

CHRIS AMOLSCH, ATTORNEY: It sounds to me like you have a typical 19- year-old daughter having a tough time with her parents. She`s a 19-year- old, she`s having a child out of wedlock, not getting along with her parents and occasionally smoking pot. That sounds like half of the teenage population .

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Chris, but they don`t have kids who are missing? This woman has a child who has been missing for 10 weeks.

AMOLSCH: I agree. But when you put all that together, and the fact that she understood she had options that relates to adoption, and that she was seen partying, if that`s what you want to call it, after her gone has gone missing indicates to me that she`s not worried about her daughter`s safety. She`s not worried about the fact that her daughter may be missing or has come to harm. I think she knows where her daughter is and her daughter is fine. That`s what it says to me.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s exactly what our bail bondsmen, Leonard Padilla has to say. We`re going to get to his story in just second.

But again, let`s go to the callers, there are so many of them. Tony in Florida, your question, sir?

CALLER: Yes, how are you?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m fine.

CALLER: I`ve been following this since day one, and my question is, we live not far from this area and my question is that this is a very secluded area where these cell phone pings were, there were approximately 32 of them in this area. This area is very difficult to get to. I know the area off the airport and it`s swampy and very heavily wooded and we haven`t heard anymore about this. Is this going to be in some of these documents, do you think, and would you or your panel happen to know anymore about this? We`re right here not far from there and we haven`t heard much more about this. It seems like it`s been kept under cover.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let`s go back to Mark Williams, the news director that has been covering this for WNDB Radio. We`ve heard about these pings, all about the cell phones, but somehow the details still elude us, Mark, as to where she was at critical times when there were critical phone calls allegedly made to her by various parties.

WILLIAMS: What the Sheriff`s Department`s investigators are doing is that they`ve obviously hired some high-tech people to take a look at those cell phone bills and see where she was when she used that cell phone. They`re keeping this close to the vest due to the fact that they need to use this during their investigation, to build a case against her and they`re not going to release that to anybody. They`re just going to keep it within themselves.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Leonard Padilla, bounty hunter, you`re the one that helped bail Casey Anthony out of jail. I`m sure that these documents are quite shocking to you as well. I mean, you had a theory that Casey had left the child with good friends because she really was sort of getting tired of her parent`s interference with her child rearing and she had split and left the child with good friends and that that`s why she`s unconcerned, because the child is OK. Now that you`ve heard all this, do you still believe that?

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: Oh, yeah, absolutely. It follows in with what I came from California with, and that was that she`s unconcerned, not because she`s a wacko, but because she knows exactly where her child is, that the people she gave her child to or left her child with are going to take care of her and she doesn`t have to be concerned about some problem befalling her.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s funny, because I`m looking at this very same information and not reaching that conclusion. When her mom says she`s a sociopath, allegedly, according to these documents, that tells me that maybe she doesn`t care and is acting unconcerned, Janet Taylor, psychiatrist, because she just doesn`t care or she knows something untoward as happened to the child.

TAYLOR: Unfortunately, the information really points to the fact that the only thing he really cares about is herself which may fall into that sociopath or anti-social, narcissistic personality disorder that her mom is referring to. And therefore all the lies, everything she`ll do to cover herself to avoid blame and responsibility certainly fits into a personality disorder that`s capable of doing something and then hiding the truth.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ron Shindel, former NYPD deputy inspector, you can`t say the cops weren`t doing their homework, because everybody was saying they`re so quiet. Well, look at this. Do you know what it takes to compile this much evidence and do this much investigation? Obviously the cops, the investigators are doing their job. What do you think this points to? At this point she`s only charged with child neglect and lying to investigators. Could this lead to more serious charges, in your opinion?

SHINDEL: Jane, I think so. I think the authorities here are doing a thorough investigation. They`re not rushing into any judgments. They`re compiling their paperwork, compiling their documentations, doing their interviews and they`re handling this as professionals. They don`t want to paint themselves into a corner at any one point, and that`s why they`re not releasing information that we could follow up on guesses and hunches that are out there in the media.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tony Padilla, you are the nephew of Leonard, you`re also a bail bondsmen, you helped bail Casey Anthony out of jail. As you hear all the shocking details that Casey wanted to give this child up for adoption back when she was still pregnant, what runs through your mind about what is going on really with this missing child?

TONY PADILLA, BAIL BONDSMAN: I`m concerned that everybody`s starting to lose focus here. The focus should be strictly with finding Caylee. I`m really concerned that everybody`s trying to make out Casey to be somebody that maybe she is like that, I have no idea. I haven`t spent much time with her. But the true focus here has to be on Caylee. And I think we`re all losing touch with the reality that we have to do something to find her, regardless of what Casey`s past is like and regardless of whether she`s a psychopath or sociopath or anything. And I want to clear this record that`s been bothering me for a while. Leonard is the bounty hunter, I am the bail bondsmen. Leonard is not a bail bondsman, OK.

I just wanted to get that off my chest. Thank you very much.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you`re an uncle and nephew team that has insinuated yourself in this case very effectively and we`re going to talk about what`s in it for you when we come back in a moment. But Mickey Sherman, your reaction to Tony`s comment that we`re getting away from the real issue, where is Caylee? Obviously they`re connected. If Casey wanted to give the child up for adoption, doesn`t that shed light on her possible motives and her possible behavior after this child mysteriously goes missing. Given that, she has told a pack of lies to investigators and that`s been pretty much documented.

SHERMAN: You can`t find her guilty of lying. That`s not exactly the most serious charge in the world. And isn`t that a common expression for young people, they want to give up their children for adoption, whether it`s postpartum depression or whatever. But it still doesn`t add up.

All that pile of material still doesn`t make the case for murder, manslaughter or anything else that`s more serious than dirty dancing.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Some had anonymously given us information, the vast majority think that the child is alive, that she is with friends of Casey.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s not concerned because she`s probably left the baby with that person before.

C. ANTHONY: I can`t sit here and be crying every two seconds.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So she goes around acting unconcerned because she`s not.

C. ANTHONY: I have to stay composed to talk to detectives.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I love her and I support her and that I understand and that every day that goes by, I know exactly how hard it is that she`s giving up her life to protect her child.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell in for Nancy Grace. Page after page of stunning new information on Casey Anthony, the mother of missing Caylee. Friends interviewed by cops claim Casey wanted to put her little girl up for adoption back when she was still pregnant with her. Others claim Casey was smoking pot and drinking, which would not be a shock given the video we`ve shown you of her dirty dancing for lack of a better phrase, after the child went missing.

I know Drew Petrimoulx, reporter for WDBO Radio has been studying these documents. What`s the biggest shocker for you? Or one that we may have missed as we go through these as it headed to air.

DREW PETRIMOULX, WDBO RADIO, COVERING STORY: The biggest shocker for me is something you`ve kind of hit on already. One of her friends, Ryan, who was listed in her phone as best friend. Someone, again, who has known her since he was about five or six years old and he says this is something that Casey said a lot of the times. You know, she mentioned she wished she hadn`t had Caylee because she`s young and not able to do the types of thing she likes to do, like go out. That`s a pretty striking comment, when in the days after Caylee went missing, we see pictures of her partying and doing the things she wants to do.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Mickey Sherman and Christopher Amolsch, attorneys. It`s clear the attorney for Casey Anthony wanted to keep these documents from coming out. She actually filed a motion to get it stopped and he lost and they were released today because of a Freedom of Information Act. So obviously it`s damaging to their client.

SHERMAN: And don`t forget, it`s a one-sided document, like an arrest warrant, that`s not both sides. It only has one side, it`s all damaging, it`s all prejudicial and gives great fire for all of us to say, wow, what a scumbag she must be because she said this and she said that. So it`s not a weasel move on the attorney`s part, it`s the appropriate move because you don`t want to poison the perspective jury pool out there any more than it`s already been done.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Go ahead, Christopher.

AMOLSCH: I`m not necessarily worried about poisoning the jury pool. I mean, I think what Mickey said is pretty important on the fact that we`re now talking about what every 19-year-old who`s ever been pregnant probably says at one time in her life, maybe I shouldn`t have had a kid. How unusual is that? And now we`re talking about it as it relates to murder. We`re just stretching here.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (Inaudible)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re going to keep on doing this until she`s home. I want her home tomorrow. I want her home tonight.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The family spokesperson says she is now opening up to her parents, George and Cindy Anthony since she is not behind bars. He says she is speaking very freely, something she couldn`t do when she was in jail.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Leonard Padilla had something a little different to say. He said that Casey is acting unconcerned, as one would if she knew that her daughter was with people that she knew.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell in for Nancy Grace. Once again, hundreds and hundreds of pages of shocking new developments, new evidence coming in in the Caylee Anthony missing persons case. Let`s go to the phones. Debra in Tennessee. Your question, ma`am?

CALLER: Yes. I have noticed in the past that someone that has this much not notoriety in the news media that this girl has had, there have been folks coming out of the woodwork to talk about them. Other than to not, in the things that you`ve read in this document, we`ve not seen or heard anything from anybody, whether it be good or bad .

VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s really an interesting point, ma`am.

CALLER: Yeah. I wonder if anyone feels that`s strange. It just feels really strange to me.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Drew Petrimoulx, reporter WBDO radio, this lady`s making a good point. Where were all these people? Why weren`t they talking to the media about these claims?

PETRIMOULX: I can`t speak to why they weren`t talking to the media, but when you read through these transcripts, it`s obvious these people did talk. And another striking thing I`d like to hit on is some of the interviews that I`ve been reading through between the detectives and Casey, where they`re actually grilling her really hard. Saying, look, it`s one of two things. One of two things. You either killed this little girl or something bad happened to her and you`re hiding it.

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CINDY ANTHONY, GRANDMOTHER: I found out my granddaughter has been taken. She has been missing for a month. Her mother finally admitted that she`s been missing.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: OK. How long has she been missing for?

CINDY ANTHONY: I have not seen her since the seventh of June.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: Why are you calling now? Why didn`t you call 31 days ago?

CASEY ANTHONY, MOTHER OF MISSING CAYLEE: I have been looking for her and has gone through other resources to try to find her, which was stupid.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: That girl was the last person to have her?

CASEY ANTHONY: She was the last person to have her. That was the last time I saw Caylee.

L. PADILLA: I believe that she made a mistake. I believe that her daughter was handed off to somebody. I believe that the daughter is alive.

LEE ANTHONY, BROTHER OF CASEY ANTHONY: Do you think Caylee is OK right now?

CASEY ANTHONY: My gut feeling -- in my gut she`s still OK and it feels like she`s still close to home.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell in for Nancy Grace.

Breaking news, in case you`re just joining us, the shocking developments come page after page as authorities released 400-plus pages of documents in the case of missing Caylee Anthony. One big shocker. A friend claims Casey`s mom Cindy told her -- told him her daughter is a sociopath and please don`t have any contact with her.

So how does all this impact the case?

I want to go to Kathy Reichs, who`s a forensic anthropologist and author of "Devil Bones."

You`ve been hearing all of this, Kathy, but it has to be put in perspective with the evidence that`s coming in, the fact that a cadaver dog hit on a smell in Casey`s abandoned car. The fact that cadaver dogs also hit on an area in the back of the Anthony home and a mystery stain found in the car along with hairs.

Put it all together for us?

KATHY REICHS, FORENSIC ANTHROPOLOGIST, AUTHOR OF "DEVIL BONES": Well, I`ve seen cadaver dogs that are good and I`ve seen cadaver dogs that are not so good. As far as a mystery stain in the back of the car, I`m sure almost all of us have a mystery stain in the back of our car. I probably have one in the trunk of my car.

What`s frustrating is we don`t really know what forensic evidence exists, if any. And we don`t know what the process of analysis of that evidence is. I don`t find that surprising. It can take a long time. Not necessarily to do the analysis, but to wait your turn in line to have the analysis done.

So we don`t know if they`re checking it to see, is it in fact bodily fluids or blood? That`s pretty quick. If it is, is it human blood? That`s pretty quick. If then they`re going on from that and testing it for DNA that can take a bit longer.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. And we have to also add in -- Ron Shindel, former NYPD deputy inspector -- some of the circumstantial evidence. The fact that a neighbor says that Casey borrowed a shovel.

Now, Cindy, her mom, says hey, it was to knock down bamboo sticks, totally innocent, but the family admits -- the family admits -- Casey stole gas cans from her dad, $50, approximately, worth of gas.

You know there`s one thing after another, Ron, and no thing individually is implicating, but when you put it all together, is a picture emerging? And what can authorities to do with that?

SHINDEL: Jane, you`re exactly correct. There is so much circumstantial evidence here of so many varying types and it leads in so many different directions that you just have to keep digging here. Because eventually it`s going to lead to a conclusion and eventually it may lead to finding the little girl.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, let`s go back to Leonard Padilla, who bailed Casey Anthony out of jail with the help of his amazing nephew, Tony.

Leonard, let`s talk about what I like to call the list of lies. On June 9th she claims she left the baby with this Zenaida Gonzalez.

L. PADILLA: No.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: There`s been a lot of Zenaida Gonzalez. The police can`t.

L. PADILLA: June 16th.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: No, no, no. She originally said June 9th.

L. PADILLA: OK. Originally. Right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And then what happens was that detectives confronted Casey`s mom with a videotape that was taken on June 15th, Father`s Day, where Cindy actually videotaped little Caylee so.

L. PADILLA: But was that Cindy`s statement? OK. Not defending anybody.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK.

L. PADILLA: But was that the statement of Cindy on June 9th, and then she retracted it? And said.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: No, that was the statement of Casey.

L. PADILLA: OK. All right.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Casey said that.

L. PADILLA: OK.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: So, in other words, what`s happening is, we have a list of lies, and, I mean, it goes on and on. She said she left Caylee in an apartment. That apartment turned out to be vacant for months. She`s off on the dates as we just discussed.

Her dad, George, saw the baby June 16th. She told her parent she was going on a business trip. That was nonsense. She told her parents and others she worked at Universal. That was total nonsense.

She said that Zenaida Gonzalez, the alleged baby-sitter that nobody can find, had a roommate that worked at TGI Fridays. That was disputed by the restaurant. Cops alleged that Casey faked e-mails to make it look like she worked at Universal.

She told her boyfriend and friends that the baby was always with the nanny. And, of course, the big one, failure to report the lost child to law enforcement.

So when you hear all of this, your conclusion, Leonard -- I just want to see if I`m accurate -- is that she left the child with friends?

L. PADILLA: I think she left her or gave her to friends knowing that they would take care of her. And the reason for all the lies and everything else that she got caught up in is because she lies all the time about everything.

And doesn`t -- this is not new that she`s lying about this. She lies about everything and she definitely didn`t want a confrontation with her father or her mother about the baby. She definitely didn`t want that.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, apparently, according to these documents, some friends are claiming that they had confrontations.

L. PADILLA: Oh yes.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s go to the phones. Kelly, Indiana, your question.

KELLY, INDIANA RESIDENT: Yes, I have a couple points to make. I wanted to know -- I know that there was a lot of time in between. I think she was trying to buy time by not reporting it. I know that they seized some of the computers in the family home.

Have they went to any of the local places in the area like the library? You can access information from the Internet at any time. Is it possible that she was shopping for parents for her daughter?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Let`s go to Mark Williams, news director, WNDB.

Mark?

WILLIAMS: Well, I know they confiscated all those computers from the Anthony home. No word if she went to any of the local libraries around town, because there are several in her neighborhood, which, of course, you have free Internet access.

Don`t know. And they haven`t talked about that, yet, if they`ve looked at other computers outside the Anthony family home.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Mickey Sherman and Christopher Amolsch, the defense attorneys here, what do you make of the fact that there was a vigil for her missing daughter right outside her home, the family home where Casey is staying, yesterday, Sunday, and Casey did not make it out to the driveway for the vigil.

SHERMAN: Remember, Scott Peterson went to his ex-wife`s vigil as well. It`s a no-win. Why would she want to show up there? It`s going to be a media opportunity.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: To support her daughter?

SHERMAN: To -- well, obviously, she can be supportive of her daughter by letting the people know where she really is or what happened, but just to do a photo op for the 47 satellite trucks out there and to do a perp walk, nothing is going to -- nothing good is going to come to her.

It would have been great for us. But not for her.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well.

AMOLSCH: It sounds to me like she`s finally listening to the advice of her lawyer, which must be, stop showing up in public places and talking about this case, because people are looking for everything you say, they`re looking for inconsistencies and feeding it back to you.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, speaking.

AMOLSCH: Sounds like she`s finally listening.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Speaking of inconsistencies, Leonard Padilla, her family said the reason she didn`t go out to the vigil was for security concerns, and yet those security concerns have not stopped her from getting in a vehicle and going to visit her lawyer and going to her case manager today.

So if you`re going to cite security concerns, stay home 100 percent, and have the lawyer come to you. Don`t say, well, I can`t go to the vigil for my daughter outside my house.

L. PADILLA: Believe me, I suggested that she not go anywhere today when she has that appointment with her lawyer. The case manager -- I don`t think she can bring to her house.

But I will tell you this, that prior to that vigil, there was a group of hard rock musicians out there with music loud enough to be heard down in Miami and they were just kicking up a fuss and all that.

And they said they`d be back for the vigil and, honestly, there was a sergeant from the local sheriff`s office came out there and we told him, is there any way you can have some additional security out here, because if those guys come back, it`s going to draw George and some people off that vigil and there`s going to be hell to pay and there`s no sense in that.

And I`m glad, honestly, that they kept her inside house.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, Leonard, you said that you felt that she gave the child to friends because she was chaffing under the restrictions of her family and implied that she might have had a fight with her dad, George.

You`re there. Did George say, yes, I had a fight with my daughter and she was upset?

L. PADILLA: I have not -- I have not discussed that with George. I`m definitely not going to add to his problems right now. That`s my thinking. I`ve talked to some people that have said that, you know, she was -- in one instance, she was talking about that the parents were going to give her the house and this young lady was going to move in with her and all that.

All lies. There`s all sorts of stories out there that -- I mean, her friends -- she lied to them constantly. Not just about this particular incident, but about everything in her life. It was a constant lie.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, and it makes it so difficult. We saw that in the Natalee Holloway case with Joran Van Der Sloot, so lied about everything and the question was, was he lying just about the terrible incident of Natalee Holloway going missing, or was he just lying because he`s a pathological liar and he lies about everything?

And it makes the case more complicated. I agree with you there.

Now, as we go to break tonight, we have a happy 17th birthday to a Las Vegas friend of the show, Miyun Clemens. Clemens bravely fighting sickle cell at a local children`s hospital.

Happy birthday, Miyun. Get well real soon.

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L. PADILLA: What the media determines as a woman that`s callus and doesn`t care, I believe, is a woman that knows her daughter is with people that she`s been with before. In other words, she`s not concerned about her safety.

CINDY ANTHONY: My daughter may have some mistruths out there or half truths, but she is not a murderer.

HOLLY GAGNE, FMR. BABYSITTER TO CAYLEE: I`m right along with the rest of America going, I don`t understand. I`m confused. I just keep saying, what I know in my heart is that I can`t believe that she would hurt her child.

CINDY ANTHONY: I`m sick and tired of hearing, you know, she`s already tried and convicted.

L. PADILLA: I believe she was in love with somebody, she got herself head over heels, she got herself mislead, misplaced. And the next thing, it was totally out of control, then she started lying to law enforcement, then she got arrested.

Look at it. It snowballed out of control.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell in for Nancy Grace.

A lot of theories and stunning breaking news in the case of missing Caylee Anthony. In case you`re just joining us, hundreds of pages of documents just came in paint a picture of, among other things, alleged drug use by the missing girl`s mom.

But that`s not even the most shocking part. The biggest stunner, a friend tells investigators Casey wanted to give up her child for adoption back when she was still pregnant with little Caylee.

Phone lines lit up. Tanya in Louisiana, what is your question, ma`am?

TANYA, LOUISIANA RESIDENT: Yes, what about the father and is the father or his family helping with the search for Caylee?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, that`s a very good question. And actually these documents -- Drew Petrimoulx, reporter for WDBO Radio, do shed some light on this whole issue of who is the father and does anybody know?

PETRIMOULX: Well, they still -- the documents shed some light on it, but also are confusing, because some of the friends say that they have met the father, they didn`t know his name, but they met him at another time.

Some of the other people that were interviewed say that they -- that he had died in a car accident earlier in Caylee`s life. So while they do talk about the father of Caylee, they also are conflicting stories as to who he actually was.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And while we have you, I understand that you have some thoughts on the drug references in all these documents.

PETRIMOULX: Right, well, you`ve -- we`ve been saying and what I`ve heard you`ve been saying is that, you know, she said that -- there were reports that she was using drugs, but only pot and alcohol.

When the investigator was actually interviewing her friend, Ryan, who was listed as her best friend, he specifically asked if she was doing ecstasy or popping pills, it he says that it was a very good possibility that she was -- doing that so, you know, it`s not confirmation that she was, but her personnel list -- known as her best friend said that it`s a very good possibility.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you know, I could say this as a recovering alcoholic with 13 years of sobriety, Janet Taylor, psychiatrist, substances change you as a human being. And people are capable of doing things on alcohol when they`re drunk or on drugs that they would be absolutely incapable of doing sober.

Is that not true? And does that not impact this case?

TAYLOR: Well, it impacts the case in the sense that it really points to the fact that her process, her psychological process in unraveling and disruption began before Caylee was missing, unfortunately, and there were so many inconsistencies and so many examples that it seems like nobody ever said, you need to get some help.

Hey, not once has anybody`s indicated that she had any professional intervention.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Mark Williams, news director, WNDB, has she -- how many psychiatric evaluations has she had?

WILLIAMS: From what we can gather, at least one, possibly two. And those psychological evaluations were sent to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals in Daytona Beach, because Jose Baez, her lawyer, wanted a second shot at a bond hearing, but those reports were never released to, of course, the general public or the media.

So they are under wraps right now.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hmm, fascinating. Marla from Oklahoma, your question, ma`am?

MARLA, OKLAHOMA RESIDENT: Yes. I think that the grandparents gave her an ultimatum to straighten her act up or they was going to file for custody of that baby because of the first 911 call where the mom says, we`ll get the court thing going.

And then I also want to know, who picked up the car that she abandoned or no?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, it was abandoned, yes.

Mark Williams, clarify that, because, you know, one of the problems with this case, so much conflicting information, first, Casey says, oh, she left the child with a baby-sitter on June 9th. Then there`s videotapes that pops up showing the child with Cindy, the grandmother, on June 15th. The grandfather sees her June 16th. Then this car shows up abandoned.

Give us the time line for the car.

WILLIAMS: OK, the car allegedly ran out of gas and she parked it at an Amscot parking lot or one of the shopping centers here locally. The car was then picked up by a towing service who took it to their impound area.

They finally got a hold of the Anthonys and said, hey, come pick up your car. They did, they literally bailed it out, took it home. And when Casey became a suspect in all of this, or even a person of interest in all this, the police department, the Orange County Sheriff`s investigators confiscated the car and they took it to their impound area where they`ve gone over it with a fine-toothed comb, Jane.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And the DNA results from what they`ve taken from the car -- the stains, the hair, and whatever else -- I know we ask this all the time, but when are they going to come back or are they back and being kept -- held by authorities?

WILLIAMS: Well, that is still up in the air. Two weeks ago, almost three weeks ago, investigators told us they expected the DNA evidence back then. We have not heard hide nor hair of the DNA evidence.

So who knows? And really when they got them back, they were going to keep them close to their chest, basically, because they didn`t want to release these things because they`re, again, still trying to build a case.

One thing we need to always keep in mind is that they should be -- they should be searching for Caylee and that Casey is innocent until proven guilty.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely. She is only charged at this point with child neglect and allegedly making false statements to authorities. And I agree with you, she deserves the presumption of innocence.

But Mickey Sherman, criminal defense attorney, what about the fact that they released all these 400 pages of documents? If they had the DNA back, wouldn`t they have been forced to release those results as well as part of this freedom of information request by the "Orlando Sentinel" that was successful?

SHERMAN: I guess so, but you know what, Jane, there`s something wrong with that. I mean when the police make conducting an investigation and they`re trying to solve a murder, we, the public, the press, the media, we have no business seeing what the reports say.

How can they possibly preserve the integrity of the police investigation when they`re showing us reports as they go along. There`s something in that -- it doesn`t make sense. I could see the FOI, the freedom of information, kicking in afterward, but not during.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Christopher, what do you think? Because, obviously, Casey`s attorney didn`t want these released and fought like heck to keep them from coming out.

Why didn`t the DNA results if they were back come as part of this package?

AMOLSCH: One, I agree with Mickey. It`s completely weird and unusual that the FOI, and (INAUDIBLE) request would deal with this kind of information on an ongoing murder investigation and the reason the DNA results aren`t there is because they`re not back yet. That`s why.

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VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell in for Nancy Grace.

A question straight out to Kathy Reichs, forensic anthropologist and author of "Devil Bones."

Is this case going to boil down to the DNA results found in that car?

REICHS: Well, I don`t think it is, because one of the problems is, is that there`s a million explanations why Caylee`s DNA would be in that car, even if they found her hair in the trunk. OK, maybe they went on a picnic, Caylee was on the blanket, the blanket ends up in the trunk, so that you`ve got reasonable explanations why it`s in that car.

The trunk is a little bit more problematical than the body of the car. But I don`t think that`s going to boil down to it without a large network of additional -- evidence.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Absolutely, it`s fascinating. We don`t know whether some of these tests can reveal whether the DNA is deceased -- from a deceased body or not. And that`s a big question.

Tony Padilla, your thoughts on whether or not you`re happy that you got involved with this case, given the bombshell information that came out tonight about Casey.

T. PADILLA: Well, there`s not anything in there that really doesn`t surprise me, other than the fact that she likes to use mistruths to whoever comes into her lives.

I don`t think that`s quite the big shocker that everybody thinks it is. As far as I`m concerned, I trust my uncle. I hope that he can find her. He`s very good at finding people and if he needs my help and support, whatever it takes to get Caylee back, that`s fine with me.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I agree with you right there. Thank you so much for your thoughts.

Tonight, let`s stop to remember Army Corporal Durrell Bennett, 22, from Spanaway, Washington, killed in Iraq. He lost his life just days before returning home to share an apartment with his younger brother.

Bennett never met a stranger and loved writing songs. He dreamed of being a music producer. He leaves behind grieving parents Doris and Dempsey, and brother Durnell.

Durrell Bennett, an American hero.

Thanks to all of our guests for their insights. Thanks to you at home for tracking this very important case with us. See you tomorrow night right here, 8:00 sharp Eastern. We`re going to have more development.

Meantime have a terrific and a safe evening.

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