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Nancy Grace

Missing Toddler`s Grandmother Fingers Mother`s Ex-Fiance

Aired September 29, 2008 - 20:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. Police desperately searching for a beautiful little 3-year-old Florida girl, Caylee, after her grandparents report her missing, little Caylee now not seen for 15 long weeks, last seen with her mother. So why didn`t Mommy call police?
Headlines tonight. Bombshells revealed inside the police investigation from photos, video, cell phone records to stunning police interrogation tapes. We find mom, Casey, on line as early as March, surfing Web sites devoted to missing children. Was she already concocting a story way before that?

And in a stunning interview, grandmother, Cindy, reveals who she believes is the real Zenaida Gonzalez. The investigation reveals mom, Casey, and her father, George Anthony, nearly coming to blows when he tries to open that car trunk, the same trunk that later smells of human decomposition. Mom, Casey Anthony, caught on line repeatedly Googling the name "Zenaida Gonzalez." Was she actually creating the nanny`s identity?

We hear the interrogation where police confront grandmother, Cindy, about changing her story, then grandmother, Cindy, actually points the finger at Jesse Grund, her daughter`s ex-fiance. We have those interrogation tapes.

And in a shocking turn, we hear mom, Casey Anthony, calling her little girl ugly names in text messages with her lover. Police discover highly disturbing images on mom, Casey Anthony`s, computer of a little girl in a noose. More of mom, Casey`s, lies, her lifestyle and growing frustrations at just being a mom, all the while showing no emotion over her missing girl. Mom, Casey, still to this hour refusing to fully cooperate in the search for Caylee. As protests rage on, tonight, where is 3-year-old Caylee?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We can`t say -- listen, I can`t stand up in front of a newscast with you and say everything that you`ve told us so far is the same thing that we have been saying all along because -- I can`t say that. You changed it, and that`s changing the focus from Caylee. Our ultimate goal is to find Caylee. We`re going to do everything we can and we`ve been doing everything we can to find Caylee. I need you on our side.

CINDY ANTHONY, GRANDMOTHER OF MISSING TODDLER: I want to be on your side. I told you that from day one. Why do you think George and I let you have free rein? When we tried to give you stuff, no one wanted to take it.

I think that Zanny, at this point, was her own person in the beginning, but I think Zanny is now whoever is watching Caylee. In my mind...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Transferred the responsibility?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes. So I think she refers to -- I believe...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think we`re spinning our wheels, looking for a Zanny?

CINDY ANTHONY: I`m not sure. But my -- I have two theories, and I`ll share that with you. I think Zanny could either be Amy or Jesse at this point.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hundreds of pages of new documents released. One of the highlights, the biggest things, were the computer forensics, which indicate -- of course, no indication or reference to Zenaida Gonzalez, either in photos, IM chats, nothing. There was a picture with a baby looking up at a teddy bear with a noose. And this is an anti-death penalty drawing or poster. It originated in the UK, but it was an image saved onto that home computer. And it said, Why do people kill people who kill people to show that killing people is bad?

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GRACE: And tonight, the mystery surrounding the suspicious death of a young Washington, D.C., beauty who worked in futures trading. Who killed 29-year-old Genevieve Orange (ph)?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police are actively investigating the death of a 29-year-old woman. Genevieve Orange was found dead inside her apartment with severe blunt trauma to the upper body. Police are now investigating this as a murder. At this point, they do not have any suspects, but they are still combing through the apartment complex for more information and for more interviews. Meanwhile, neighbors and residents are just hearing the news.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s surprising because this is the first time something like this ever happened, you know?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police are not revealing whether they do, in fact, believe this is domestic-related. We know that Genevieve Orange was an active member of McLean Bible Church.

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Tonight, the desperate search for a beautiful, 3-year-old Florida girl, Caylee.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I`ve just got to tell you what my feelings are. I don`t like how it smells. I`m being straight with you guys.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m sorry?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t like the smell in the car. I`m being straight with you guys.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We didn`t like the smell, either.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m being straight and honest. I said, Hey, Case, you know the back of your trunk to the car, we`ve got these metal wedges you put underneath your wheel of a car if you jack your car so it doesn`t move? I said, Hey I want to get that one out your car because I have one already in the garage. I want to get that other one because I want to go ahead and rotate your mom`s tires over this weekend. In case you`re not home, I`d like to be able to do it. Oh, Dad, I`ll get it out for you. Casey, I`ve got an extra set of keys. I`ll go in the trunk and get it. So her and I got in a little verbal...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She didn`t want you to go in the...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She didn`t want me to go in the trunk of the car. So as I`m getting ready to go out through our inner garage door (INAUDIBLE) the big garage door, she just blows right past me. Dad, I`ll get your -- thing. She said something very crude to me that I didn`t appreciate. So as I`m walking out the garage with her, I`m walking at a pretty decent pace, and she`s almost running out to her car. She says, Dad, I`ll get it. I know where it`s at. I said, Casey, I`m capable of reaching inside your trunk of your car, unbolting that thing -- because when I pulled stuff down, I crank it down. And she says, Dad, I`ll get it. As I`m walking, I just get past where the passenger rear taillight is to her car, she throws it up and turns, and she said, Here`s your F-ing cans.

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GRACE: Straight out to Kathi Belich with WFTV. Kathi, what`s the latest?

KATHI BELICH, WFTV: Well, there`s all kinds of information that`s coming out. You were talking about that gas can incident, and he said that she just did not want him anywhere near the trunk of that car. Now, also, the employee at the tow truck company said that he smelled that smell in the trunk, as well, when he was with George and he was so panicked when they found a trash can in that trunk that there was going to be a body in that bag. And he said that they lifted that bag, and it was light and he just sort of went, Whew! There`s no body in that bag. Just horrible stories, horrible stories.

GRACE: To Drew Petrimoulx with WDBO. He`s joining us from outside the Anthony home there in Orlando. What can you tell me about mom, Casey Anthony, actually visiting missing children Web sites, researching missing children as far back as May?

DREW PETRIMOULX, WDBO: Yes, that was -- it happened, actually, on a computer that was right there in that home that was confiscated by investigators in the beginning of this investigation. And there were several searches for missing children, as I understand it, as far back as March, so you know, months before Caylee ever went missing.

GRACE: To Dr. Lisa Boesky, psychologist and author of "When to Worry." What does that say to you, Doctor?

LISA BOESKY, PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, clearly, most 20-somethings are not on Web sites looking for missing children. So the fact that she was on there makes me wonder, Was she looking at what, What is kind of a real story when kids disappear, so that when she does what she`s going to do with Caylee, she can make it look like a, quote, unquote, "disappearance."

GRACE: What do you make of that? To Leonard Padilla, bounty hunter out of Sacramento, California. Leonard?

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: Well, let me tell you. Casey is really a study. When you look at everything that`s come out...

GRACE: Hey, hey. You know, Leonard, we`ve got a lot to go through, so tell me something I don`t already know, all right?

PADILLA: OK. I`ll tell you this. Casey is a whiz at coming up with ideas, and most of them are lying ideas, much like the Zenaida situation.

GRACE: Here she is. I thought it was May, but you know, Petrimoulx is right, it goes all the way back to March, where she is on line, looking up missing children Web sites. And then suddenly, boom, in June, her child goes missing. Leonard?

PADILLA: You`re right. And the thing -- let me explain something to you. If you go on your computer, you will find that Zenaida`s car looks exactly like a Kia. Excuse me, the car that she described Zenaida having, that Ford Focus, looks like a Kia. And Kia -- and Zenaida has a Kia that she drives. So when she was driving around the Sawgrass Apartments that day, she had Tony`s Jeep on the 17th. She was driving Tony`s Jeep. And that`s when she spotted Zenaida in a Kia, but she thought it was a Ford Focus. So she immediately jumped on that and said, Hey, Zenaida Gonzalez driving a 2008 Ford Focus.

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Bombshell discoveries revealed in hundreds of documents released by police, including mom, Casey Anthony, actually surfing the Web to missing children Web sites just days and weeks before her own child goes missing. Not only that, we learn where cops focus in on Cindy Anthony, confronting her about changing her story. Take a listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We can`t say -- listen, I can`t stand there in front of a newscast with you and say everything that you`ve told so far is the same thing that we have been saying all along, because -- I can`t tell them. You changed it. And that`s changing the focus from Caylee. Our ultimate goal is to find Caylee. We`re going to do everything we can, we`ve been doing every thing we can to find Caylee. I need you on my side.

CINDY ANTHONY: I want to be on your side. I told you that from day one. Why do you think George and I let you have free rein? When we tried to give you stuff, no one wanted to take it.

I think that Zanny, at this point, was a real person in the beginning, but I think Zanny is now whoever is watching Caylee. In my mind...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Transferred the responsibility?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes. So I think she refers to -- I believe...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think we`re spinning our wheels, looking for Zanny?

CINDY ANTHONY: I`m not sure. But my -- I have two theories, and I`ll share that with you. I think Zanny could either be Amy or Jesse at this point.

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GRACE: Out to Drew Petrimoulx with WDBO. We finally hear grandmother, Cindy Anthony, revealing who she believes Zenaida Gonzalez is. In essence, there is no Zenaida Gonzalez. Even her own mother says so. She asserts the theory that it`s code name for whoever is taking care of little Caylee at that moment.

PETRIMOULX: Right. And the other thing, she also, you know, puts some blame and some suspicion that she`s had on her ex-fiance, Jesse Grund, saying that she`s always thought that he was suspicious. She talks about some incidents that they -- some confrontations that they had where he treated her rudely, in her mind. And you know, she says that she`s always had him in her mind as being suspect number one.

GRACE: As a matter of fact, take a listen.

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CINDY ANTHONY: (INAUDIBLE) day by day with Jesse, and he`s had a lot of discrepancies. In fact, I wrote down everything as he was talking to me, and he changed his story two and three times.

It was a 18-minute conversation on June 27 that he had with Casey, and she invited him out to Fusian`s to cheer him up.

He told me it was June 27. And I was writing it as we`re talking, and I said, Are you sure it was June 27? He goes, Absolutely. It was that Friday that we went out. And I says, Well, you talked to her for 18 minutes. Did you hear Caylee in the background? Did you talk about Caylee? He goes, yes, I asked her where she was, and she said she was with the baby-sitter at the beach.

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CINDY ANTHONY: We walked in the room, and Jesse was in Casey`s bed. They were watching TV, and the baby was with them. And I said, Jesse, it`s my house, my rules. I said, You have to respect that. If you don`t respect that, then, you know, we`re going to have an issue because you`re not married to my daughter yet. And I said, Just because you`re engaged or whatever still doesn`t change the rules of this house. And I said, You need to respect it. And I mean, he got very angry, a shouting match, and you know, to the point where I felt very uncomfortable. And that was the first turning point where I thought, This kid is not a good person for my daughter.

CINDY ANTHONY: And I (INAUDIBLE) day by day with Jesse, and he`s had a lot of discrepancies. In fact, I wrote down everything as he was talking to me, and he changed his story two and three times.

It was a 18-minute conversation on June 27 that he had with Casey, and she invited him out to Fusian`s to cheer him up.

He told me it was June 27. And I was writing it as we`re talking, and I said, Are you sure it was June 27? He goes, Absolutely. It was that Friday that we went out. And I says, Well, you talked to her for 18 minutes. Did you hear Caylee in the background? Did you talk about Caylee? He goes, yes, I asked her where she was, and she said she was with the baby-sitter at the beach.

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GRACE: Here, you actually see grandmother Cindy Anthony, pointing the finger at ex-fiance Jesse Grund. And with us, his father, Richard Grund is with us. Richard, response?

RICHARD GRUND, FATHER OF CASEY ANTHONY`S EX-FIANCE: Typical Cindy Anthony, point the finger at somebody else, do misdirection, get the attention off your daughter and hope that people believe you.

GRACE: Well, my question is, even if everything that she just said is true -- even if -- what does that have to do with Caylee missing?

GRUND: It doesn`t have anything to do with Caylee missing. But like I said, this is typical of instead of looking at the prime suspect in her own household, she wants you to think it`s Jesse or it`s Amy. And she talks about Jesse`s discrepancies. He clarified one statement with law enforcement. Cindy hasn`t said the same thing twice since this began.

GRACE: And isn`t that true that your son took a lie detector test and passed?

GRUND: Jesse not only took a voluntary lie detector and passed, he went to law enforcement and gave two official statements before Cindy`s even given one. He gives them all of his phone records. He gives them anything they need to help find Caylee and get out of their way. And by that point, Cindy hasn`t done anything. In that interview, if you look, they can`t even get her to give them her credit card records. She wants to just give her receipts.

GRACE: Why?

GRUND: Well, it would seem to me that there`s something that she doesn`t want them to know, or by this point -- by this point, which is August 1, I have already heard from other news people in town that they are working in an attempt to implicate Jesse. And then I heard from a very reliable source, Leonard Padilla, that this was an active attempt. So what you`re hearing is a well-rehearsed effort to get them to look at somebody else other than their daughter.

GRACE: Let`s go to Leonard Padilla, bounty hunter out of Sacramento, California. He actually put up the original half a million dollar bond for Casey to be free from jail before he came off that bond. Leonard Padilla, why the focus on ex-fiance Jesse Grund? Is it an attempt to suggest that he`s got a hairpin trigger anger and that anger resulted in some harm to little Caylee? Is that where this is going?

PADILLA: No. Cindy -- Cindy realized right away what had happened and who the cause was behind it. She never believed for one minute that there was a Zenaida. When I talked to Jose, the very first meeting I had with him, he showed me a card...

GRACE: You mean Jose Baez, the defense attorney?

PADILLA: Jose, Baez, yes. He showed me a card that had been given to him by Casey, and Cindy had knowledge of it, that, you know, expressed Jesse`s affection and love for the baby. Well, when you look at that card, you can misread it and misunderstand it. But it was just an affectionate card from an individual that cared very much for the child and the child`s mother.

Also, Cindy made a point several times of indicating that she felt that Jesse had something to do with the child`s disappearance, Jesse was to blame, Jesse was at fault. And myself and my people would sit there and just look at her, like, Cindy, you know? Come on. You`re not talking to somebody that doesn`t know what happens in these things. And she would insist on attempting to take your mind and bend it around Jesse constantly.

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Out to Debra in Virginia. Hi, Debra.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Good to talk with you.

GRACE: Likewise. What`s your question, dear?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A couple of weeks ago, Leonard Padilla had mentioned that Equusearch had stopped searching for Caylee.

GRACE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are they going to come back and continue their search, or are there any other search teams that are actually looking for her right now?

GRACE: Leonard, what do we know?

PADILLA: I do know this, that if you talk to Tim and his people, they were very annoyed and upset at the way they were treated by Cindy publicly and privately. They were there to do a job. Cindy just wanted them to stand up and say, Hey, Caylee is alive, and she is in Puerto Rico, or, Caylee is alive, and Jesse took her away. They didn`t want a search to be done in the manner that they constantly do them.

GRACE: Everybody, we`re taking your calls live. To Debbie in Georgia. Hi, Debbie.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi.

GRACE: What`s your question, dear?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just -- being a new grandmother myself, I don`t understand why the grandparents are not helping find that baby.

GRACE: To Lisa Boesky, psychologist and author. Dr. Boesky, I really believe that they think they`re choosing to believe the child is still alive.

BOESKY: I don`t know, Nancy. I`ve got to say, as I watch the grandparents, I really think they are the only ones that know Casey, truly know her, and I think that they know what she`s capable of. I think that Cindy has very mixed emotions about this because I think Caylee was a little bit of a pawn between them. You know, Casey held Caylee against the grandmother, Cindy. Grandmother, Cindy, held her against Casey. And so I think there`s a lot of mixed emotions, and I think that`s why Cindy goes back and forth between protecting her daughter and then throwing her under the bus.

I think that Cindy feels like she could have played a role in this, not purposely, but because of Casey`s anger with her.

GRACE: Let`s go straight back out to Drew Petrimoulx with WDBO. What about these documents revealing mom, Casey Anthony, Googling the name over and over, "Zenaida Gonzalez"? Explain.

PETRIMOULX: Yes, and that happened on July 16, which you recall is, you know, right around the time when everything breaks down and her life starts to catch up to her. Investigators are pretty hot on her trail at that point. So you know, that`s what she did. She searched on her home computer, Google searched the name, "Zenaida Gonzalez." That wasn`t the first time that we heard the name, though. If you look at some of the computer documents, we see her talking about that name way back in May.

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CINDY ANTHONY: Any time Caylee ever stayed away from the house, Casey said she was with Zanny.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

CINDY ANTHONY: And it wasn`t that often that -- you know, maybe a night here or there sporadically. But she always said she was crashing at Zanny`s.

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CINDY ANTHONY: I mean, I don`t recall Caylee being gone over many nights. If any, maybe one. And the only time Casey ever told me -- the only place that Caylee would ever stay over was they were crashing at Zanny`s. She never told me she was taking her to Ricardo`s, never told me she was taking her anywhere else except Zanny`s.

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GRACE: We are taking your calls live. To Maryann in Pennsylvania. Hi, Maryann.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Love your show, and your kids are adorable.

GRACE: Thank you. What`s your question, dear?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My question is regarding Leonard Padilla and the $50,000 that he offered as a reward for information for the child. I know that Equusearch is not involved anymore, but aren`t there other companies he could put that money toward, other investigatory companies that he could put that money toward...

GRACE: What about it, Leonard?

PADILLA: Obviously, the best in the business is Tim. And if Tim was to tell me that there was another company out there that could do the job better than him, I`d believe him. But I tell you this, there`s no company out there better than Tim`s, none at all.

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CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY`S MOTHER: She didn`t call me back all day, and I was a little bit worried when I realized she wasn`t home. I thought I had a little sick feeling that something wasn`t right.

So she finally called me back later, in the evening, probably after 5:30, because I was already leaving work. And she called -- she was apologizing. She said, mom, I know I should have called you.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: This day?

C. ANTHONY: Yes, that day.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: A little after 5:30?

C. ANTHONY: Sometime after 5:30, I`m sure, because it was on my way home from work.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: And what did she say? What happened?

C. ANTHONY: She told me that they had gotten to -- that she -- her and Zanny -- I mean, Raquel and Zanny were about eight cars ahead of her and Juliette and the girls.

Casey had her car, Zanny had her car. So Zanny and Raquel were ahead, and somehow there was an accident. Casey and Juliette witnessed the accident, so they followed them, the paramedics, to the hospital.

And I asked her, I said, was it Tampa General? And she said, yes. So she said they went to Tampa General Hospital.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: So you were all at Tampa General.

C. ANTHONY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: . on the 23rd.

C. ANTHONY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: Sometime after 5:30.

C. ANTHONY: Yes. Well, they were there during -- the accident happened in the morning. That`s what she said. But I found out about it when Casey finally called me back. She apologized to me for not calling her back sooner.

But she said they were tied up. She was there in the ER with, you know, with Zanny or Raquel.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: So Zanny was treated for an injury?

C. ANTHONY: That`s what she said. Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: At the Tampa General?

C. ANTHONY: Because I think I told.

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UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: OK. We`ll get past that and we`ll do it now. I mean if there was an oversight, we`re just going to pass it.

C. ANTHONY: Yes, I.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: OK.

C. ANTHONY: It was sometime. If not you, I told Sergeant Allen.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: All right. Well, that`s the kind of -- that`s why we`re in here.

C. ANTHONY: Right.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: All right? That`s pretty significant.

C. ANTHONY: Yes. She said that Raquel had a broken arm, and she said that they were finally getting a hold of Raquel`s mom. And Raquel`s mom was coming from Jacksonville.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: Broken arm. And what kind of injuries did Zanny have?

C. ANTHONY: She said Zanny had a concussion.

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Out to Sergeant Scott Haines, sheriffs officer with Santa Rosa County -- Florida. Sergeant, what about her caught online, Googling Zenaida Gonzalez?

Basically, in my mind, creating the identity. Even her own mother now says the name Zenaida Gonzalez was code for whomever was keeping Caylee at that moment.

SGT. SCOTT HAINES, SHERIFF`S OFFICER, SANTA ROSA COUNTY, FLORIDA: Absolutely. There is no doubt that she totally had this planned out and plotting this huge thing in advance to try and have an alibi.

When she first came out and was speaking of this Zenaida Gonzalez, she seemed very fluent with it as she talked about her and seemed like she knew everything about this woman, and that is, in fact, because she had been researching her for so long and had it so well-scripted.

There is no doubt in my mind, and I`m sure it`s in Cindy`s mind now, too, that there is no such person and they`re just grasping for straws to figure out what happened to her granddaughter.

GRACE: Let`s unleash the lawyers. Joining us now out of Washington, D.C., Christopher Amolsch, criminal defense attorney. Also out of New York, veteran trial lawyer, Carmen St. George.

Don`t you see -- to the two of you -- the significance of mom, Casey Anthony, online Googling a Zenaida Gonzalez? She wasn`t looking up, like, I would look up, Attorney Carmen St. George, New York City, if I wanted to find your work address.

She was trying to fabricate, Carmen -- and Christopher -- she was trying to create a Zenaida Gonzalez, even her own mother says, there`s no Zenaida Gonzalez, Carmen. Don`t you see the significance of her whole alibi, her whole story about what happened to little Caylee?

CARMEN ST. GEORGE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, I think the more people talk, the more their defense at trial becomes a prisoner of their words. If they can show that she was actually the one on the computer Googling a person which is nonexistent, then, yes, that`s going to be used against her at trial. It`s going to be to be very damaging.

GRACE: And what about it, Christopher? How would you fight something like that at trial? These records are going to come in.

CHRISTOPHER AMOLSCH, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, two things. One, there is no evidence that I can see that Caylee is the one that was Googling. And two.

GRACE: Caylee is only 3.

AMOLSCH: I`m sorry -- sorry, Casey. And secondly there is no evidence that Casey.

GRACE: Well, it`s her computer and she`s logged on under her pass name. So now there`s a conspiracy? Somebody logged on as her, under her pass code, to, what, frame her?

AMOLSCH: There is no evidence Casey can think around the corner, much less three months ahead of time. And there is no evidence of that.

GRACE: Well, then how do you know explain the search?

AMOLSCH: Somebody has her password. Maybe somebody she was dating. Maybe somebody in that house. How many people in houses share passwords?

GRACE: You`re really going to stand in front of a jury with that, or is it just because you have nothing else to say? And I don`t mind that.

AMOLSCH: It`s not that I have nothing else to say.

GRACE: It is what it is.

AMOLSCH: They can`t prove that she`s the one who did it, and Casey can`t think until the next moment. Forget setting this up for three months. That is not her MO at all.

GRACE: Really?

AMOLSCH: Where is the evidence that she can think at all down the road?

GRACE: Well, number one.

AMOLSCH: Everybody says she doesn`t think.

GRACE: . according to police documents, you have her back in March looking up missing children`s Web sites, and then, what a coinki-dink, her child goes missing.

AMOLSCH: Well, there`s.

GRACE: Now you`ve got her creating, fabricating a Zenaida Gonzalez, and it doesn`t end there. There is this huge, elaborate lie she tries to tell her mother to get out of a phone call -- or get out of something innocuous about Zenaida Gonzalez has a crash, and she was following Zenaida Gonzalez, and Zenaida Gonzalez had to go to the hospital at Tampa General with her sister, Raquel?

You know what, Sergeant Scott Haines, she really screwed up on that one, because all they`ve got to do is subpoena Tampa General records which shows there is no Zenaida Gonzalez or a sister Raquel ever treated at that time.

HAINES: That`s very true. And that`s a very easy thing to find out. Just like everything else, even when she brought investigators to Universal. She comes up with these things that she thinks she has planned out well in her own mind, and obviously, when she hits the dead end, she changes it to something else that sounds just as ridiculous.

So it`s going to be interesting to see what comes up next.

GRACE: You know, it`s amazing, this story that she tells, in a police interview, this elaborate lie, about a car crash.

To Natisha Lance, our producer standing by at the Anthony home. What was the purpose of this elaborate lie about the made-up nanny being in a car crash and splitting her skull open, and having to go to the hospital? What was the purpose of that lie?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Casey had told her parents that she was going to be working late, and then that working late turned into a conference that was -- and they were going to be staying overnight at Hard Rock Cafe.

Then the Hard Rock Cafe turned into Bush Gardens and so on and so forth. And then they wind up at the hospital.

GRACE: So what was the purpose of the lie, Natisha? Why the lie? What was she trying to avoid?

LANCE: She was trying to avoid going home, Nancy. And for whatever reason, she did not want to be at home with her parents. She was probably going out and partying, as we have seen in every other situation.

GRACE: Let`s take a listen to mom, Casey Anthony, in bombshell recordings, just released. More about the fabrication of her alibi regarding where is Caylee. Take a listen.

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C. ANTHONY: She didn`t call me back all day, and I was a little bit worried and realized she wasn`t home, I thought I had a little sick feeling that something wasn`t right.

So she finally called me back later, in the evening, probably after 5:30, because I was already leaving work. And she called -- she was apologizing. She said, mom, I know I should have called you.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: This day?

C. ANTHONY: Yes, that day.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: A little after 5:30?

C. ANTHONY: Sometime after 5:30, I`m sure, because it was on my way home from work.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: And what did she say? What happened?

C. ANTHONY: She told me that they had gotten to -- that she -- her and Zanny -- I mean, Raquel and Zanny were about eight cars ahead of her and Juliette and the girls.

Casey had her car, Zanny had her car. So Zanny and Raquel were ahead, and somehow there was an accident. Casey and Juliette witnessed the accident, so they followed them, the paramedics, to the hospital.

And I asked her, I said, was it Tampa General? And she said, yes. So she said they went to Tampa General Hospital.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: So you were all at Tampa General.

C. ANTHONY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: . on the 23rd.

C. ANTHONY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: Sometime after 5:30.

C. ANTHONY: Yes. Well, they were there during -- the accident happened in the morning. That`s what she said. But I found out about it when Casey finally called me back. She apologized to me for not calling her back sooner.

But she said they were tied up. She was there in the ER with, you know, with Zanny or Raquel.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: So Zanny was treated for an injury?

C. ANTHONY: That`s what she said. Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: At the Tampa General?

C. ANTHONY: Because I think I told you guys that. You can check that out.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: OK. We`ll get past that. We`ll do it now. I mean if there was an oversight, we`re just going to pass it.

C. ANTHONY: Yes, I.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: OK.

C. ANTHONY: It was sometime. If not you, I told Sergeant Allen.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: All right. Well, that`s the kind of -- that`s why we`re in here.

C. ANTHONY: Right.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: All right? That`s pretty significant.

C. ANTHONY: Yes. She said that Raquel had a broken arm, and she said that they were finally getting a hold of Raquel`s mom. And Raquel`s mom was coming from Jacksonville. She had to come down and be with her.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: Broken arm. And what kind of injuries did Zanny have?

C. ANTHONY: She said Zanny had a concussion.

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GRACE: All of that could be documented if it really happened. That`s a mighty big lie, just to avoid going home for one night.

Everybody, as we go to break, I want to thank you on behalf of veteran defense attorney Sandy Schiff. Your prayers and good thoughts have been heard. She is headed home after the fight of a lifetime battling leukemia. The next 100 days for her are critical.

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GEORGE ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY`S FATHER: There is no ridiculous question.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: Did you have a stroke on the 13th that you were treated at the hospital for?

G. ANTHONY: Curious where you got that from.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: Well, I`ll shed the light on it for you.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: You don`t look as if you`ve had a stroke last month.

G. ANTHONY: Well, let`s put it this way. A few years ago, I thought I almost did because I had a knee replacement. But that was, what, four, three years ago? Just before I had my knee replacement when that happened.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: Your daughter, it seems, has a pattern of -- she has made a date with a friend or scheduled to do something, and she needs to come up with a reason not to do it, instead of just saying, I don`t feel like going.

She comes up with some of the -- you had a stroke on the 13th, and she was unable to go to Jacksonville with someone, because she was busy at the hospital with you. So it`s always on the extreme.

G. ANTHONY: That`s extreme, all right.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: Yes.

G. ANTHONY: Because if I had a stroke, I wouldn`t be sitting here talking to you guys.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: I wouldn`t think so.

G. ANTHONY: I mean let me put it this way. If I was, it would be sort of like a miracle.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: Exactly.

UNIDENTIFIED POLICE OFFICER: I still have to ask.

G. ANTHONY: Oh, I know. This is getting so bizarre. This is just unbelievable.

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GRACE: I believe the legal definition would be nut job? But under the law, this clearly is not going to rise to the level of legal insanity. I`ll unleash the lawyers in just a moment.

But first, to Dr. Michael Arnall -- Doctor, we heard her telling somebody her father had a stroke in order to get out of some obligation she had. Earlier we heard that she nearly came to blows with her father about going into that car trunk. She did not want him in there.

Tell me something. How long after you put a body in a trunk in Florida weather would it become apparent, if you got near the car, there was a dead body inside?

DR. MICHAEL ARNALL, BOARD CERTIFIED FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: You could get a malodorous situation in as little as 36 hours. And then as you go on from there, it`s going to get much worse.

GRACE: Let`s unleash the lawyers. Christopher Amolsch out of Washington, Carmen St. George out of New York.

Christopher, clearly a nut job, but based on her computer searches, and what we were learning in these newly-released conversations and text messages, she wasn`t insane. Maybe crazy like a fox.

AMOLSCH: OK, well, this is the evil genius, right, the one who searched for three months to set up this false identity for a nanny, but can`t figure out that people are going to search the hospital records when she makes up an accident.

This is not the -- activity of somebody who thinks this far ahead. This is the activity of somebody who may be a nut job and is impulsive, but is not planning.

GRACE: Carmen St. George?

ST. GEORGE: Oh definitely, Nancy. Not one that would rise to the level of legal insanity, by any means. She would have to be proven to not have understood the capacity of her actions at the time that she committed any crime.

So I don`t think this will meet that level. It would be clear if they could prove this case against her that she had some sort of slip-up. But it definitely wasn`t being legally insane.

GRACE: And to Richard Grund, the father of mom, Casey Anthony`s ex- fiance, Jesse Grund, what do you make of suggestions she`s legally insane? Do you buy that?

RICHARD GRUND, DAD OF CASEY ANTHONY`S EX-FIANCE, JESSE GRUND: You know, I`m not a doctor. I just know what I saw. And the Casey that I saw, yes, she was a liar and she had a problem with the truth.

But now we`re starting to see something completely different. We`re starting to see a Casey that nobody recognizes. If you read all of the statements from all of the friends they are all saying the same thing, we don`t know who this girl is.

GRACE: Man, her lying has gone to a whole new level, and underneath it all, somewhere is the truth about where is little Caylee.

Right now, I want to tell you about the mystery surrounding the death of a beautiful young girl. Take a listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Fairfax County police want to know whether anybody saw someone come or go from Orange`s apartment. Police got a call from a family member to check on her.

They found Orange`s body in her apartment yesterday morning. Investigators will say only she died from blunt-force trauma to the upper body.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I always see her alone. I always see her alone.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: When shown her picture, Orange`s neighbors say they frequently saw her around the complex. Some of them here complained, security needs improvement.

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GRACE: A 29-year-old beauty that worked in the futures industry has been found brutally murdered.

I want to go to Nicole Partin, an investigative reporter. What can you tell me, in a nutshell, about her death? What happened?

NICOLE PARTIN, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Good evening, Nancy, Thursday evening, police went to the home of Miss Orange to do a simple welfare check, after a family member reported that they could not reach Genevieve or Ginny, as she was known by her friends.

Upon entering the apartment, unfortunately, police found that she had been killed with what they believe to be by blunt force trauma to the upper body.

Now I spoke to the Fairfax County Police Department a few hours ago. They`re being very tight-lipped about the case, but they said that authorities are diligently investigating Ginny`s murder.

GRACE: Tip line, 1866-411-TIPS, 411-8477.

To Doctor Marty Makary, professor of public health at Johns Hopkins, a friend of Genevieve Orange, the deceased young lady, what can you tell me about her?

DR. MARTY MAKARY, PHYSICIAN, PROF. OF PUBLIC HEALTH, JOHNS HOPKINS: Yes, Nancy, we`ve been talking about medical aspects of cases for so long, and now this is somebody who actually is a good friend of our family.

She was active in McClaine Bible Church, our church. She was active in her small group. Her friends who know her best say that she loved Jesus and tried to emulate him in every aspect of her life. She was the perfect daughter, the perfect friend, and the perfect employee.

GRACE: You know I`m just stunned, with her lifestyle, which was very low-key, not out partying late at night, that this would happen to her. What leads do you believe police are pursuing?

MAKARY: Well, we have the preliminary autopsy report, which basically says there was blunt trauma to the upper extremities. Now the final report, which typically takes a week, will tell us the size of the bruises and the blood clots to figure out what kind of force was involved.

At this point, the police aren`t even saying if there was forced entry. So there`s a lot we don`t know. I can tell you that this is the last person anybody would think would have somebody out after them to try to hurt them.

GRACE: To Nicole Partin, investigative reporter -- Nicole, do police have any suspects or a person of interest?

PARTIN: They`re not releasing any of that information, Nancy. As I said, I spoke to them earlier today. They`re being very tight-lipped, but I was assured by the Fairfax County Police Department that they are continuing this investigation.

I also spoke to someone from her church who said the same thing. Very, very stable young lady, very much loved by everyone who knew her, colleagues at her work said she was dependable. Everyone loved her. Apparently no enemies.

What went wrong, they`re still trying to figure it out.

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GRACE: A beautiful young woman found dead. I want to go straight back out to Dr. Marty Makary, professor of public health at Johns Hopkins who was a friend of the victim, Genevieve Orange.

Doctor, does this look like a targeted murder, or do you believe it is just random and a crime of opportunity?

MAKARY: Well, what we do know is that although nobody can cite any sort of conflict in her life where somebody would want to hurt her, she did live on the first floor of a large apartment building in not the greatest section of a city.

And we know from statistics that first floor apartments are more likely for random crimes.

GRACE: To Sergeant Scott Haines -- Sergeant, I understand that being on the first level, but usually when you get a burglar -- I`ve heard no evidence of a sex attack. Burglars typically do not kill.

HAINES: That`s very true. This sounds like something that was more than just a burglary or somebody coming in to ransack the apartment. I`m sure the police know a lot more.

GRACE: Yes.

HAINES: . than they are releasing. They don`t want to give away their cards. But I`m sure they`re doing a fine job and unfortunately.

GRACE: To Dr. Makary -- Dr. Makary, very quickly, we`re running out of time -- sorry about that, Sergeant Haines -- do we know what the object was? Is it something the perp came in with or was it something they -- was just found in the home?

MAKARY: At this point, all we know -- the only thing the police have said, and it`s frustrating a lot of people, is that there was blunt trauma to her upper body.

GRACE: So we don`t even have a murder weapon yet?

MAKARY: Correct.

GRACE: OK. Dr. Makary, our sympathies out to the family, and Nicole Partin, thank for being with us.

Let`s stop, everyone, and remember Marine Lance Corporal Dean Opicka, 29, Waukesha, Wisconsin, killed, Iraq. A Carroll College grad, double majored in psychology and history. A teacher working with agencies, helping those with disabilities.

Loves football, basketball, baseball, handing out candy to Iraqi kids. Dreamed of teaching at his former high school. Leaves behind parents David and Donna, brother, Darren, also serving marines, Fiance, Katie.

Deane Opicka, American hero.

Thanks to our guests, but especially to you for inviting us into your homes. I`ll see you tomorrow, 8 o`clock sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.

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