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Nancy Grace
Mother Officially Named Suspect in Missing Toddler Case
Aired October 01, 2008 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. Police desperately searching for a beautiful little 3-year-old Florida girl, Caylee, after her grandparents report her missing, little Caylee now not seen for 15 long weeks, last seen with her mother. So why didn`t Mommy call police?
Headlines tonight. Police formally name mom, Casey Anthony, the prime suspect in 3-year-old Caylee`s disappearance. But why now? What do they know that has tipped the scales?
And tonight, primetime exclusive, the Zenaida Gonzalez who mom, Casey, named to police as Caylee`s kidnapper, is with us live. Now she`s naming someone, mom, Casey Anthony, in a lawsuit, this as she struggles to carry on a normal life, even receiving death threats after being branded the kidnapper of little Caylee.
And tonight, more stunning police interrogation tapes released. As we wait for formal charges tonight, where is 3-year-old Caylee?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Another shocking development in the case of missing 3-year-old toddler Caylee Anthony. Just hours ago, a spokesman with the Orange County sheriff`s office confirmed that 22-year-old tot mom, Casey Anthony, is now a suspect in the disappearance of little Caylee.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She is a suspect?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In one of their clearest messages yet that they believe only one person can solve this mystery, Orange County investigators confirm that Casey Anthony is now a suspect in her daughter, Caylee`s, disappearance.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She is the -- our person that we continue to go to and hope that she will step forward, finally that she will wake up and say, Let me provide the information to you and bring this to an end.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Today Casey`s lawyer, Jose Baez, told us he sees no difference between investigators calling Casey a person of interest, as they have for more than two months, or now a suspect. He declined our request for an interview. Meanwhile, investigators tell us they`re reaching a milestone in the number of leads they`ve received in the search for Caylee.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re looking at all of the tips that we`ve received, close to almost 5,000 tips that we`ve received.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Any credible evidence that she`s been sighted, anything along those lines?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In one word, no.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Investigators say sometimes it appears that those alleged sightings are offered up only to take attention off of Casey.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The information sometimes seems like it`s a smokescreen.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And sources tell WESH (ph), too, that sheriff`s detectives and FDLE and FBI agents have followed up on leads in almost every state in the nation.
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GRACE: And tonight, Hollywood superstar Heather Locklear busted, allegedly caught driving under the influence, upscale California suburbs. A 991 call claims the TV star spotted driving erratically. Police report Locklear completely disoriented when cops find her BMW blocking traffic. But now claims surface Locklear was set up. Tonight, the Heather Locklear 911 call.
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911 OPERATOR: 911 emergency. What are you reporting?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A drunk driver.
911 OPERATOR: Where at?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: At the Live Oaks Road and what is -- is this East Valley Road? East Valley Road and Live Oaks Road in Montecito. The person -- it`s a woman. She just pulled over.
911 OPERATOR: What direction on Live Oaks, ma`am?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s pointing south, right by East Valley Drive. Can I give you the plate number?
911 OPERATOR: Sure. What kind of car is it?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s a black BMW (DELETED)
911 OPERATOR: What are they doing?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, they just pulled -- she was drunk at this -- we were at the market. She was drunk in the market, and she got in the car. And then we saw her pulled over. She`s now pulled over, and she`s -- she wandered up and down the street, but now she`s back in the driver`s seat.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was actress Heather Locklear set up? The star was arrested on suspicion of DUI and prescription drugs outside Santa Barbara this weekend. Now the entertainment site TMZ reports the woman who called 911 and tipped off the paparazzi is a former staffer for "US Weekly," an entertainment magazine. The Web site said she`s also under investigation by the FBI. That`s the caller. She claims she saw Locklear driving erratically along the road in Montecito, and reportedly, there are other witnesses to back up those claims. The case is now in the hands of prosecutors.
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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace, I want to thank you for being with us. Tonight, the desperate search for a beautiful 3-year-old Florida girl, Caylee.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking developments just moments ago in the case of missing Florida toddler Caylee Anthony. Orange County authorities have declared the tot mom Casey Anthony is now a suspect in the disappearance of her 3-year-old daughter, Caylee. Authorities maintain that Anthony has continually lied to them about what happened to her daughter and has refused to speak further with investigators.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Orange County investigators confirm that Casey Anthony is now a suspect in her daughter, Caylee`s, disappearance.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She is the -- our person that we continue to go to and hope that she will step forward, finally that she will wake up and say, Let me provide the information to bring this to an end.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, how come everybody`s saying you`re lying?
CASEY ANTHONY, MOTHER OF MISSING TODDLER: Because nobody`s (DELETED) listening to anything that I`m saying. The media completely misconstrued everything that I said. The (DELETED) detectives pulled (DELETED) They got all of their information from me. Yet at the same time, they`re twisting stuff. They`ve already said they`re going to pin this on me if they don`t find Caylee. They`ve already said that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well...
CASEY ANTHONY: They arrested me because they said that...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, because they said that the person that you dropped Caylee with doesn`t even exist.
CASEY ANTHONY: Because -- oh, look, they can`t find her in the Florida database. She`s not just from Florida. If they would actually listen to anything that I would have said to them, they would have had -- they maybe could have tracked her down. They haven`t listened to a (DELETED) thing that I`ve said.
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GRACE: Straight out to Drew Petrimoulx with WDBO. Mom, Casey Anthony, named a suspect not in a fraud case, not a bad check case, but in the disappearance of her little girl, 3-year-old Caylee. What do you believe tipped the scales?
DREW PETRIMOULX, WDBO: That`s tough to say. You know, that`s something that`s internal to the investigation. And throughout this investigation, they`ve always, you know, kept that close inside and not really let on. We do know that there was DNA evidence found in the trunk of the car, and you know, there was other evidence. Caylee`s hair was actually found in the car. So you have to imagine those are some of the things that have added to their decision to now call her a suspect in the disappearance of her daughter.
GRACE: To famed forensic scientist Dr. Lawrence Kobilinsky from John Jay College of Criminal Justice. He is a member of the Casey Anthony defense team. Well, your client has been named a suspect, a formal suspect, the only formal suspect in the disappearance of 3-year-old Caylee. We`re not talking about a bad check, Koby (ph). What say you?
LARRY KOBILINSKY, FORENSIC SCIENTIST: Well, I think that there`s a lot of evidence raising a lot of issues about the disappearance of this 3- year-old. I think there`s physical evidence. There`s accumulating information that she has not been truthful with the police. And so this is a very challenging case for the defense. There`s no doubt about that. And obviously, I think that people are expecting the charges to be -- to be brought fairly soon.
GRACE: Does the defense team expect a murder charge?
KOBILINSKY: I can`t answer that for the defense team. I would anticipate that those charges make sense, given what we`ve heard the sheriff indicate, that they can certainly have a case without a body. And they certainly have physical evidence that supports an allegation. So I believe there will be charges.
GRACE: And speaking of what the sheriff had to say, here he is.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She is a suspect.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Correct. She is our person that we continue to go to and hope that she will step forward, finally that she will wake up and say, Let me provide the information to bring this to an end.
We`re looking at all the tips that we`ve received, close to almost 5,000 tips that we`ve received.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Any credible evidence that she`s been sighted, anything along those lines?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In one word, no.
The information sometimes seems like it`s a smokescreen.
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GRACE: Back to famed forensic scientist Dr. Lawrence Kobilinsky, a member of the Casey Anthony defense team. Koby, you mentioned physical evidence accumulating. What physical evidence?
KOBILINSKY: Well, we continuously are hearing about hair in the trunk. We know that there has been air sampling tested by the University of Tennessee, the "body farm," indicating that there may be chemicals indicating decomposition. I think the presence of hair -- again, we keep hearing about a banding pattern.
Again, no official reports that I`ve seen, but this kind of evidence is certainly serious and challenging, and it could be interpreted as decomposition of a body. And so I think that this would support the allegations that we keep hearing about.
GRACE: Let`s unleash the lawyers, everyone. We are taking your calls live. The breaks news tonight, mom, Casey Anthony, has been formally named a suspect in her daughter`s disappearance. It`s been a long time coming, and it`s finally happened.
With us tonight out of New York, Alan Ripka, veteran trial lawyer, and defense attorney out of the Atlanta jurisdiction Renee Rockwell. Alan Ripka, what is the difference legally between a person of interest and a suspect?
ALAN RIPKA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, a person of interest is someone that the police are just thinking about, obviously, someone that they think could be involved. They have no evidence to tie that person into the crime. A suspect is someone that the police have some sort of evidence or a greater belief that they are involved in this crime or committed this crime. And they`re taking a giant step forward to call her a suspect.
GRACE: Everyone, in just a few moments, we`re going to be joined by Zenaida Gonzalez. The tot mom, Casey Anthony, pointed the finger at her to police as being Caylee`s kidnapper. It has nearly ruined her life.
Back to you, Renee Rockwell. The last time you joined us, no matter what question I asked you, every time, you gave the same answer, There`s not an indictment yet. OK. I`m one of those crazy people that believes in second chances. Here we go. In your mind, does this up the ante for her to crack and tell the truth? She`s been formally named a suspect.
RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I don`t think she`s going to crack, Nancy. I think that the attorney is going to handle her the same way whether she`s a person of interest or a suspect. He is not going to let her talk. And she`s not going to just come forward and say, OK, fine, I did it, here`s where the body is.
GRACE: Renee, if a lawyer`s client comes in and reveals that they have hidden a body, what is the defense lawyer`s duty at that point?
ROCKWELL: He`s now in a predicament because he`s got two concerns. One is the ethical obligation to not continue a crime of hiding a body...
GRACE: You know, Renee, just cut through it. What do you do in that position?
ROCKWELL: Nancy, you need to get another attorney on board because now she`s admitted something to him, and he can`t just go forward and divulge that.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you cause any injury to your child, Caylee?
CASEY ANTHONY: No, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you hurt Caylee or leave her somewhere, and you`re worried that if we find that out, that people are going to look at you in the wrong way?
CASEY ANTHONY: No, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re telling me that Zenaida took your child without your permission and hasn`t returned her.
CASEY ANTHONY: She`s the last person that I`ve seen with my daughter, yes.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re our biggest help. You`re going to be our biggest help in solving this.
CASEY ANTHONY: I have nothing to go off of. That`s the problem. I have perspective ideas of maybe where she could go. She could have gone back up to New York. She could have gone up to Jacksonville, where we have a friend. She could have gone down to Miami, where her mom and her sister lives now. She could have gone anywhere.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does she have any children?
CASEY ANTHONY: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re talking about the baby-sitter, right. She doesn`t have any children?
CASEY ANTHONY: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Could she have children? Is it something that she could have done and...
CASEY ANTHONY: I`m pretty sure that she could, but it was never anything that came up.
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GRACE: Everyone, the tot mom, mom, Casey Anthony, has formally been named a suspect in her daughter`s disappearance. It`s been a long time coming, as we wait for formal charges to come down. I`m not talking about a bad check card -- a bad check charge or a fraud charge. This is in relation to the disappearance of 3-year-old Caylee Anthony. We are taking your calls live.
We`ve got a very special guest joining us tonight, the Zenaida Gonzalez that Casey Anthony named as the kidnapper of her little girl, the Zenaida Gonzalez that was at Sawgrass apartments. In the most twisted turn of events, there actually is a Zenaida Gonzalez, and she is with us tonight. Let me at the beginning say she is not a kidnapper. She has never met Casey or Caylee Anthony, has no knowledge of this case whatsoever. But after this, her life has been devastated.
Ms. Gonzalez, thank you for being with us.
ZENAIDA GONZALEZ, ALLEGED BABY-SITTER: You`re welcome.
GRACE: When did you first realize that you were a part of a potential murder investigation?
GONZALEZ: When I received a phone call from the detective.
GRACE: And what did they say?
GONZALEZ: That if I was the Zenaida Gonzalez that had -- that had the two children and was driving a certain car. And I was, like, yes. And then he was -- he said, OK, well, then you are -- we need to speak to you because you`re a suspect in a disappearance of Caylee Anthony.
GRACE: Oh, good Lord in heaven! What was your immediate reaction? Had you ever even heard of Caylee Anthony?
GONZALEZ: No. I was in shock.
GRACE: Where were you when you received this phone call from a detective?
GONZALEZ: I was actually -- I was out in the store with my daughters.
GRACE: What, they called you on your cell?
GONZALEZ: Yes, ma`am.
GRACE: Amazing how they got the information. Now, had you been at Sawgrass Apartments earlier?
GONZALEZ: I had just went that one time to go look at an apartment.
GRACE: And did you look at that vacant apartment?
GONZALEZ: Yes, ma`am.
GRACE: And such a twist. To your attorney, John Morgan, joining us from Orlando. He is handling this defamation lawsuit against mom, Casey Anthony. Have you considered, John Morgan, how Casey Anthony got the information that a Zenaida Gonzalez was at Sawgrass Apartments, at that particular apartment, looking at that particular apartment? How did she get her hands on that?
JOHN MORGAN, ATTORNEY FOR ZENAIDA GONZALEZ: Well, when she made the visit to the Sawgrass Apartments, she filled out a visitor`s card. She put her name down and her two children`s names down. So we suspect that she may have received the information that way.
GRACE: I still am perplexed as to how Casey Anthony got that information. I know that she knew people that lived in the area. Isn`t that correct, Leonard Padilla?
LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: That`s correct. She knew Annie Dowling (ph), who lived in apartment 218, and she knew Dante (ph), who also lived in 218. And on that particular day, she wasn`t driving her car. She was driving Tony`s Jeep with a New York plate on it. And she had been out to visit Chris (ph) earlier in the day. So it`s not like she was driving her car and it would be recognized if she was in and around the apartments. She was actually driving a Jeep that belonged to Tony.
GRACE: Back to Zenaida Gonzalez, joining us tonight, and her attorney, a veteran lawyer there in Orlando, Florida, John Morgan. Ms. Gonzalez, when did you -- after you received this phone call, you`re out shopping with two of your -- you have six children, right?
GONZALEZ: Yes, ma`am.
GRACE: Like you need another child.
GONZALEZ: No, I don`t.
GRACE: OK. Six -- I think an even half dozen is a good number. I`ve got two, and I think that that may be enough for me. Ms. Gonzalez, you get this phone call from cops that tell you you`re a suspect in a kidnapping. What did you do then?
GONZALEZ: I was kind of in shock. I didn`t know what to do.
GRACE: These are shots of the children of Zenaida Gonzalez. Well, what did you do, just go home? Did you call a lawyer?
GONZALEZ: I just went home. I just -- they said they wanted to meet with me, and I just went home and I said, OK, then just come by. I`ll be there in 20, 30 minutes.
GRACE: You know, it`s amazing. They never got that kind of cooperation from Casey Anthony. So the cops show up. Were your children at home when the cops came to Mommy`s door?
GONZALEZ: Yes, ma`am.
GRACE: That`s not a good childhood memory.
GONZALEZ: No.
GRACE: What did they say when they got there?
GONZALEZ: They just -- - they asked me questions, if I knew -- they asked me first if I had went to the Sawgrass Apartments on a certain date. And I said, Yes, I did. And they asked, OK, and what is the car that you was driving? So I showed them the car outside. And I said, That was the car I was driving. And he said, OK, then, you know, we want to show you some pictures and see if you recognize them. And they showed me pictures of Casey and Caylee. And I didn`t know who they were. So I told them I didn`t know. And then that`s when they informed me -- well, they informed me that she had given my name -- she had said that she had given me her daughter for me to baby-sit.
GRACE: Had you ever baby-sat for Casey Anthony?
GONZALEZ: No, ma`am.
GRACE: Had you ever baby-sat for anyone that worked at Universal?
GONZALEZ: No, ma`am. I`m not a baby-sitter.
GRACE: What do you do for a living?
GONZALEZ: I clean.
GRACE: And somehow, you`ve gotten sucked into this. Back to your attorney, John Morgan. Describe to me the lawsuit that you filed on behalf of Ms. Gonzalez against mom, Casey Anthony.
MORGAN: Well, when I met Zenaida, she was a basket case. She was fired from her job. She has had trouble finding jobs. Just the name Zenaida Gonzalez is a red flag. And she said, you know, What can I do? And I said, Listen, you`ve been charged with kidnapping or murder. And you can do two things. You can do nothing or do something. And I said, This girl has been pushing the police, and pushing her parents, and now pushing you. And what you can do is push back. And that`s -- and that`s why we filed the defamation lawsuit.
GRACE: You know, there aren`t many employers that want someone accused of kidnapping and possibly a murder.
MORGAN: Exactly. Exactly.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You can`t tell me anybody that can find Caylee? Nobody.
CASEY ANTHONY: No, because every number that I`ve tried, every number that I`ve called is disconnected. Nothing. I can`t get ahold of anybody.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But that -- that girl was the last person to have her?
CASEY ANTHONY: She was the last person to have her. That was the last time I saw Caylee.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you know where she was from? With a name like Soraida (ph) or whatever...
CASEY ANTHONY: Zenaida.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Zenaida.
CASEY ANTHONY: She`s mixed. She`s Puerto Rican and her father`s black. She`s from New York. From what I`ve been told, that`s where she was born.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right.
CASEY ANTHONY: She moved to Miami. She went to U of F.
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GRACE: To psychologist Caryn Stark. I`m always amazed when I listen to mom, Casey Anthony. The lies get more and more fantastic, more intricate, more elaborate, more detailed. What does that mean?
CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: It just means that she has a psychopathic personality, Nancy. Isn`t it intriguing? I mean, the woman is cunning and crafty. She`s a wonderful liar, narcissistic. She really fits. She`s classically a person with that kind of a pathology.
GRACE: Ms. Gonzalez, have you ever gotten an apology from Casey Anthony?
GONZALEZ: No, ma`am.
GRACE: Have you ever heard from her or her lawyers?
GONZALEZ: No.
GRACE: Do you expect to be called at trial? You`re on the witness list.
GONZALEZ: I expect to, and I will show up because I haven`t done anything.
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UNIDENTIFIED OPERATOR: And you last saw her a month ago?
CASEY ANTHONY, MOTHER OF MISSING TOT CAYLEE: 31 days. It`s been 31 days.
UNIDENTIFIED OPERATOR: Who has her? Do you have a name?
CASEY ANTHONY: Her name is Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez.
UNIDENTIFIED OPERATOR: Who is that? Babysitter?
CASEY ANTHONY: She has been my nanny for about a year and a half. Almost two years.
UNIDENTIFIED OPERATOR: And why are you calling now? Why didn`t you call 31 days ago?
CASEY ANTHONY: I have been looking for her, and have gone through other resources to try to find her, which was stupid.
UNIDENTIFIED OPERATOR: OK. What is the 3-year-old`s name?
CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY`S MOTHER: Caylee, C-A-Y-L-E-E Anthony.
UNIDENTIFIED OPERATOR: Caylee Anthony?
CINDY ANTHONY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED OPERATOR: How long has she been missing for?
CINDY ANTHONY: I have not seen her since the 7th of June.
UNIDENTIFIED OPERATOR: What is her date of birth?
CINDY ANTHONY: 8/9/2000 -- god, she is 3 -- 2005. Caylee`s missing. Caylee`s missing. Casey says Zanny took her a month ago. She`s been missing for a month.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Casey is a suspect.
UNIDENTIFIED POLICE: Correct. She is the person that we continue to go to and hope that she will step forward, if only that she will make up and say, let me provide the information to bring this to an end.
We`re looking at all the tips that we`ve received, close to almost 5,000 tips that we`ve received.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Any credible evidence that she has been sighted, anything along those lines?
UNIDENTIFIED POLICE: In one word, no. The information sometimes seems like it`s a smoke screen.
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Tonight, just as we go to air, police formally name mom Casey Anthony as the prime suspect in the disappearance of 3-year- old Caylee. It`s been a long-time coming.
What does it mean? We are taking your calls live. Out to Isha in Georgia, hi, Isha.
ISHA, GEORGIA RESIDENT: Hi, Nancy. How are you doing?
GRACE: I`m good, dear. What`s your question?
ISHA: My question is -- first I just want to thank you for doing what you do.
GRACE: Thank you.
ISHA: You are awesome and I love you. But my question is, at one time we heard that the police may have come across some clothing, and we haven`t -- not heard anymore about that. Have they been able to link those clothing to Caylee or Casey?
GRACE: Yes, Isha, you`ve got an excellent memory, that was at the beginning of the investigation. Not linked to Caylee. Not linked to Casey -- mom Casey Anthony. There was some clothing and a backpack found. Not linked.
Excellent memory.
Out to Angie in Virginia, hi, Angie.
ANGIE, VIRGINIA RESIDENT: Hi, Nancy.
GRACE: What`s your question, dear?
ANGIE: With Casey being a pathological liar, and if she was to confess and they find Caylee`s body, would DNA test or an autopsy confirm or deny her story as to what happened?
GRACE: What about it, Pat Brown, criminal profiler, and author of "Killing for Sport," do you believe that forensics would prove or disprove whatever story Casey Anthony may come up with? Such as the drowning in the swimming pool story.
PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER, AUTHOR OF "KILLING FOR SPORT": Well, Nancy, at this point, it`s been probably way too long to prove that kind of thing. I do think with all of the circumstantial evidence they have, they can very well prove that this was a homicide.
And I think -- one thing I think people are asking, why are the police looking for Caylee when they know she is dead? Why all these checks? And I can tell you why. Because they`re working toward that prosecution right now, with their evidence that they have, and they`re going to have to prove to the defense and to that jury that they tried everything to find that girl, and they could not find her any place, no matter how many tips they followed.
So that proves that Caylee is not alive. And I think that`s why they`re working so hard on those tips...
GRACE: Well put.
BROWN: . they don`t believe in.
GRACE: Out to our producer standing by at the Anthony home there in Orlando, Florida, Natisha Lance.
Natisha, I was listening carefully to what the police said today. They mentioned that they believe that many of the 5,000 tips they have received are actually smoke screens. What did they mean by that, and why?
NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, they feel that a lot of these tips are coming in from people who think they may have seen Caylee, however, they are not actually Caylee.
And a lot of these tips, too, have come from the Anthony household, from the Anthony family, that being turned over to police. But they`re coming from different areas. They`re not following along the same line of facts that police actually have, so they are smoke screens, as Captain (INAUDIBLE) described, because they are not leading them to Caylee.
GRACE: Out to John in New York, hi, John.
JOHN, NEW YORK RESIDENT: Hi, Nancy. Your children are beautiful. I just wanted to ask, we saw a lot of the Web sites that Casey had visited, and most of them were escort services and sex sites. Have they looked into her possibly working as an escort?
GRACE: To Drew Petrimoulx with WDBO, there were hits on sex sites and escort services. What about it?
DREW PETRIMOULX, REPORTER, WDBO RADIO: Well, the investigators haven`t -- you know, had said if they suspect that she was involved in that -- any kind of that business. But we do know she was searching -- doing missing person search sites, and they`ve also said that she was looking up for information on chloroform.
So, you know, these all add to the investigation and stuff they`ve compiled and, you know, now used all of that to call her a suspect today.
GRACE: Out to the lines, Katie in Maryland. Hi, Katie.
KATIE, MARYLAND RESIDENT: Hi, Nancy. How are you?
GRACE: I`m good, dear, what`s your question?
KATIE: OK. My question is, isn`t it possible that she could have taken on the identity of this Zenaida Gonzalez, you know, like the dual personality type thing, in this crazy mind that she has?
GRACE: You know, Caryn, that`s an excellent question. It`s almost like we heard earlier from another tape, audio tape, she does take on the identity of each boyfriend she is with. One is religious, she`s religious. I think that was Jesse Grund. One smokes pot, she spokes pot.
You know, whomever she is with, she is like a chameleon and becomes like them. But I don`t see her rising to the level of a Sybil split personality-esque defense.
CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: I don`t think so, Nancy, although it is a very, very good question. This is somebody who -- the reason she takes on everybody else`s personality, her boyfriend`s, is because she has no true personality of her own.
However, she used this woman as part of one of her weaving pathological lies that she does, and she came up with a name and then put it in very craftily to weave the story.
GRACE: You know, she has such an elaborate story about Zenaida Gonzalez. Tonight with us we have the Zenaida Gonzalez attached to Sawgrass Apartment and her attorney out of Orland. He knows his way around the courtroom, John Morgan is with us.
John Morgan, you have filed a lawsuit against mom Casey Anthony. FYI, she was siphoning gas from her parents` car. She could not fill up a tank of gas. Not that there is anything wrong with that. She hasn`t worked in God knows when.
Do you really think you`re going to get any type of a money settlement or money judgment against her that you can enforce?
JOHN MORGAN, ATTORNEY FOR ZENAIDA GONZALEZ, HANDLING DEFAMATION SUIT AGAINST TOT MOM: Well, the first and foremost -- this is really not about money. This is about.
GRACE: Well, that`s good, because there is not any.
MORGAN: Well, this is about Zenaida Gonzalez`s good name.
GRACE: True.
MORGAN: Now, however, remember this. There`s all sorts of rumor and rumblings -- there is rumors and rumblings that they may have received significant money from a network for licensing fees. There is rumors of a movie deal. There are rumors of, you know, all sorts of offers.
GRACE: Well, John, you`re very wise, John Morgan. "Lifetime" has denied any such suggestion that they have a movie in the works. But I can guarantee you, by the time this is all over, somebody will make a movie related to this.
You`re absolutely correct about that.
MORGAN: Well, I know -- I know for a fact, magazines have been approached by members to receive money.
GRACE: By members of what?
MORGAN: Of her team to receive moneys. And first and foremost, though, if there`s never a dime to be had, Zenaida Gonzalez gets to stand up on a platform that Casey Anthony put her on, and say, you know what, you put me up on this platform, and now I`m going to clear my good name.
GRACE: Is it true, Miss Gonzalez, that you have actually received death threats?
ZENAIDA GONZALEZ, MISSING TOT CAYLEE`S ALLEGED "BABYSITTER": Yes, ma`am.
GRACE: What happened?
GONZALEZ: Well, they call me. They call me about -- because my number went out public.
GRACE: And said what?
GONZALEZ: And they called and -- and they called me and told me what they`re going do to me or do to my kids what I did to the little girl. And that whenever they see me, they`re going to hurt me. It`s been crazy.
MORGAN: And also, Nancy, part of her profile that we`ve found interesting is like the Susan Smith. When Susan Smith killed her kids, the first thing she said is a black man took the kids.
Now they come in and say this Puerto Rican nanny came in. She kind of played this race card right off the bat to kind of inflame the public. And I think that all plays into her profile.
GRACE: Well, John Morgan, attorney out of Orlando, and Miss Zenaida Gonzalez, I wish you the best and I`m sorry for what you`ve been through, Miss Gonzalez.
GONZALEZ: Thank you.
GRACE: Everyone, at your request, here are some pictures I took of the twins. Here they are at the park. Here they are swinging. Yes, we found the swing set here in Manhattan. That`s the traffic rushing by behind them.
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UNIDENTIFIED OPERATOR: 911 Emergency, what are you reporting?
UNIDENTIFIED CALLER: A drunk driver?
UNIDENTIFIED OPERATOR: Where at?
UNIDENTIFIED CALLER: At the Live Oaks Road and -- what is this -- is this East Valley Road? East Valley Road and Live Oaks Road in Montecito. The person is a woman. She just pulled over.
UNIDENTIFIED OPERATOR: What direction on Live Oaks, ma`am?
UNIDENTIFIED CALLER: She is pointing south, right, at East Valley Drive. Can I give you the plate number?
UNIDENTIFIED OPERATOR: Sure. What kind of car is it?
UNIDENTIFIED CALLER: It`s a black BMW (BLEEPED).
UNIDENTIFIED OPERATOR: What are they doing?
UNIDENTIFIED CALLER: Well, they`re just -- she was drunk at this -- we were at the market. She was drunk in the market, she got in the car, and then we saw her pulled over. She is now pulled over, and she is walking -- she wandered up and down the street, but now she is back in the driver`s seat.
UNIDENTIFIED OPERATOR: Alrighty. You said she -- so she is pulled over to the right or to the left?
UNIDENTIFIED CALLER: She is on the right side.
UNIDENTIFIED OPERATOR: OK. Hold on.
UNIDENTIFIED CALLER: Oh, she is revving her engine. What is she doing?
UNIDENTIFIED OPERATOR: What is your name, ma`am?
UNIDENTIFIED CALLER: My name is Jill.
UNIDENTIFIED OPERATOR: OK, Jill, we`ll notify officers in the area. We`ll put a broadcast out for the vehicle. I need you to maintain a safe distance away. Are you following the car?
UNIDENTIFIED CALLER: We`re following her. It looks like she`s just revving her engine.
UNIDENTIFIED OPERATOR: OK. I need to ask you to stop following the car. We know where they are and we have a license plate. OK, we don`t want to.
UNIDENTIFIED CALLER: What`s that?
UNIDENTIFIED OPERATOR: We know where they are, and we have a license plate, so you guys need to stop following, because the minute that she thinks that you`re following, it -- you`ll be a danger to her if she thinks that you`re following her and she might run into something.
UNIDENTIFIED CALLER: Oh, OK. Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED OPERATOR: All right, thanks a lot.
UNIDENTIFIED CALLER: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED OPERATOR: Good bye.
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GRACE: Heather Locklear busted for allegedly driving under the influence.
Out to Tom O`Neil, senior editor with "In Touch Weekly," what happened, Tom?
TOM O`NEIL, SENIOR EDITOR, IN TOUCH WEEKLY: Well, it was about 5:00 Saturday night. Heather was driving from this market to.
GRACE: First of all, 5:00 is not at nighttime. Number one.
O`NEIL: That`s true, absolutely.
GRACE: OK, go ahead.
O`NEIL: OK, good point.
GRACE: So was it dark?
O`NEIL: No, no, it wasn`t dark yet but.
GRACE: OK.
O`NEIL: And she`s been acting erratically, driving back and forth over a pair of sunglasses in the parking lot of this store.
GRACE: That`s not a crime.
O`NEIL: It`s a BMW, black BMW.
GRACE: That`s not a crime to drive over some sunglasses?
O`NEIL: No, not at all. But then she gets in the car and she starts -- she pulls over at one point and she`s out staggering in traffic, as you heard in that one call there, according to the description.
But that`s not what everybody is quite concerned about, Nancy. It`s that there is now a belief that this concerned citizen who made this call might be a cause of concern herself.
The -- there is an allegation that she made a second call right after this, to a paparazzi agency. There is the suspicious that she has ties to Heather`s love rival, Denise Richards, and there is evidence that she`s under investigation by the FBI.
GRACE: Whoa, it`s complicated.
O`NEIL: Very complicated.
GRACE: So Tom O`Neil, what`s the connection between the 911 caller, the female caller, Jill, and her love rival, Denise Richards?
O`NEIL: Well, Jill Ishkanian used to work for "Us Weekly" magazine. She was actually a tabloid reporter. She left there to start her own photo agency that just coincidentally had a lot of pictures of Denise Richards that were for sale.
So that suggests a chummy relationship between the two of them. So for her, of all people then to be -- happen to be calling the police, catching Heather in this naughty moment, well, it seems suspicious.
GRACE: OK. Let`s unleash the lawyers, Renee Rockwell, Alan Ripka -- weigh in, Renee.
RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I want to know if the police actually saw Heather driving. If it`s only this woman that saw her driving, they`re going to have trouble.
GRACE: Alan?
ALAN RIPKA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It doesn`t make a difference who called the police, if, in fact, she was under the influence of something, she`s going to be responsible and guilty of the crime.
GRACE: Ripka, you`re absolutely correct. Regardless of any nefarious intent behind the original phone call, somebody wanted to get a picture of Heather Locklear, somebody has a grudge against Heather Locklear, don`t care.
If she were under the influence at that time, that`s the problem. I don`t care who called it in. I`m glad she called it in. It would have been a lot worse if Locklear had run over somebody or crashed into a tree or hurt yourself.
With me right now Lieutenant Dane Lobb from the California Highway Patrol, Santa Barbara.
Lieutenant, thank you for being with us.
LT. DANE LOBB, CALIFORNIA HIGHWAY PATROL, SANTA BARBARA: Thank you for having me.
GRACE: Lieutenant, what happened? I`ve got the bare bones of the police report here. It`s my understanding it was not alcohol-related. That she passed a breathalyzer on the scene.
LOBB: Well, you have a press release.
GRACE: Right.
LOBB: You don`t have a police report, because I have the original police report here in front of me.
GRACE: Right. It just says Department of California Highway Patrol, it looks like a police report. But I notice there`s not a police report number on there. There`s not a DOB, it`s not signed by an officer, so clearly, it`s not an authentic police report.
But if you could answer the original question.
LOBB: It`s a news release. Yes, it`s a news release.
GRACE: OK. I`m glad to get that settled. Did she pass a breathalyzer?
LOBB: Yes, she did.
GRACE: So it was not alcohol. What then do police believe is the substance under which she was under the influence?
LOBB: Well, we haven`t identified what substances or substance or substances she had ingested. But we believe that she was under the influence of controlled substance.
GRACE: What did the police observe when they arrived at the scene?
LOBB: They found Miss Locklear in her vehicle, in the driver`s seat of her vehicle, stopped within the traffic lane, sitting there in her car.
GRACE: And what, if it anything, did she do to suggest she was under the influence of drugs or alcohol?
LOBB: Well, just like you would expect, the police, when they show up and they find a vehicle stopped in the middle of the road, were going to ask, why are you stopped here in the middle of the road, what`s going on?
And the -- when our officer conducted that investigation, Miss Locklear`s answers were clearly -- made it that she was not coherent and able to answer routine questions in a manner that a sober or prudent person would be able to answer questions.
GRACE: To Marvette Britto, PR brand strategist of the Britto Agency - - Marvette, didn`t she just come out of rehab?
MARVETTE BRITTO, FOUNDER, BRITTO AGENCY: She did. She just came out of rehab. And this is clearly an incident where she relapsed. And -- she needs to get help and perhaps she was stopping to gather her thoughts, to collect herself.
GRACE: But the rehab was allegedly for anxiety.
BRITTO: Well, whatever the anxiety was, whatever the issue was, she`s spiraling in public. So clearly there`s a problem. There`s an issue that needs to be addressed.
And like you said earlier, you know, thank God this caller did call in, because clearly she needed help and she hadn`t called anyone to help her.
GRACE: Marvette Britto joining us from the Britto Agency here in New York.
To Dr. Marty Makary at Johns Hopkins -- Dr. Makary, how easy is it to take too much prescription medication?
DR. MARTY MAKARY, PHYSICIAN, PROF. OF PUBLIC HEALTH, JOHNS HOPKINS: Well, the medication is given to patients with anxiety and depression. And by definition, those are people at risk for overdosing.
Look, Xanax and these other anti-anxiety medications are highly addictive.
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HAMMER: Heather Locklear busted under suspicion of DUI.
Back to Tom O`Neil with "In Touch Weekly." It`s my understanding this is her first offense.
O`NEIL: Yes, her first offense. But we`ve had hints, Nancy, that there were serious problems with substance abuse before.
GRACE: Did you say you`ve heard?
O`NEIL: Yes. Well, back in March there were reports that her psychiatrist called paramedics to the house when it was believed that Heather was -- had overdosed, that it was later denied that there was an obviously suspicion scene there.
And our sources at the magazine tell us that when she went into the rehab in Arizona for depression and anxiety, we heard from her friend.
GRACE: Well, Tom O`Neil, as much as I respect you and your magazine, "In Touch Weekly," sources at the magazine don`t come into court. I`m asking you.
O`NEIL: OK.
GRACE: . did she have a record, the answer is no. Correct?
O`NEIL: Correct. Absolutely.
GRACE: OK. Back to Lieutenant Lobb with the California Highway Patrol, Santa Barbara.
Lieutenant Lobb, was she -- cooperative with you?
LOBB: Yes, ma`am, she was very cooperative.
GRACE: You know, I -- I`ve seen the pictures of the arrest. She was standing on both her feet. Did she do one of the test where you walk the line or say your ABCs?
LOBB: She did. She did what`s called modified position of attention. She did standing on one foot. She did a walking test. And she was -- had a great deal of difficulty completing any of the tests in a safe manner.
GRACE: Marvette.
LOBB: And caused the officer great concern.
GRACE: Marvette Britto, very quickly. You know you do a sex tape or get a DUI in Hollywood, it only skyrockets your career. What will this do to her?
BRITTO: Well, I think Heather Locklear is, certainly, America`s sweetheart. She really needs to get help. And I think we need to hear from a representative as to why she exhibited this irrational behavior.
GRACE: Everybody, let`s stop and remember, Army Specialist Arturo Huerta-Cruz, 23, Clearwater, Florida, killed, Iraq. Awarded the Purple Heart, Army Achievement Medal, and Order of the Dragon, one of the highest honors for members of the chemical corps.
A grad of St. Petersburg College. Loved soccer and adventure. Dreamed of becoming a citizen. Leaves behind parents Pascual and Maria, brother Humberto.
Arturo Huerta-Cruz, American hero.
Thanks to our guests but especially to you, and tonight, a special good night from Atlanta friends of the show, Cleo, Charlotte and Tristan.
See you tomorrow night -- oh, he`s precious -- until tomorrow, good night, friend.
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