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Nancy Grace

Video Shows PI`s Search of Caylee Remains Site Months Before Body Was Found

Aired January 12, 2009 - 20:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight in the desperate search for a beautiful 2-year-old Florida girl, Caylee. Six months of searching culminates when skeletal remains found in a heavily wooded area just 15 houses from the Anthony home confirmed to be Caylee, manner of death homicide, the little girl`s remains completely skeletonized, this after a utility meter reader stumbles on a garbage bag and a tiny human skull literally rolls out, covered in light-colored hair still intact due to duct tape wrapped around the child`s mouth.
Bombshell. Tonight, caught on tape, the secret video of the Anthony`s private investigator searching that spot where little Caylee`s skeleton found weeks before police discover it. Tonight, we have the video. The grainy video, just obtained, clearly shows the Anthonys` PI talking frantically into his cell phone and at the same time digging, digging his way through the woods, including rifling through trash bags, trash bags like the one in which little Caylee was found.

Was the Anthonys` PI tipped off to the exact location of little Caylee? Who was on the other end of that cell phone? And why hasn`t he handed over those cell calls to police? Is this finally the direct link back to the tot mom prosecutors have been looking for?

And the attorney for grandparents George and Cindy Anthony angry the video`s being aired. But why? Why be angry? What`s there to hide? And still little Caylee`s remains sitting alone in a cardboard box at a funeral home, no funeral date in sight. Why?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stunning developments in the case of 2-year-old Florida toddler Caylee Anthony Secret video allegedly...

Stunning developments in the case of 2-year-old Florida toddler Caylee Anthony. Secret video allegedly showing two private investigators at the remains location back in November has just been released. The footage was shot by one of the private investigators on November 15th and 16th and contained some surprising discoveries. One of the private investigators is captured poking and prodding through the areas that may have been just steps from where Caylee`s remains were eventually found. The private investigator who recorded the scene says the other PI also seemed to zero in on a group of concrete (ph) stones (ph) in the area.

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ROY KRONK, METER READER: I`m a meter reader with Orange County. I noticed something that looks white. I`m not telling you it`s, you know, Caylee or anything of that nature.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Also today, reports have emerged that meter reader Roy Kronk, who found the remains last month, was also in the area back in November. According to a local CNN affiliate, Kronk was assigned to read meters in the Anthony neighborhood back in November, which makes it four times that Kronk was at the remains location before Caylee`s skull and bones were found.

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911 OPERATOR: Regardless if you`re a county employee, you can remain anonymous.

KRONK: Not if they find a freaking body.

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GRACE: And tonight, a close-knit southwest Florida community is reeling. A 6-year-old boy vanishes into thin air. This child has the mind of a 2-year-old. He cannot verbally communicate. Tonight, the search by land, by air, on foot, ATV, infrared helicopter. Where is 6-year-old little Ozzie (ph)?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Over 150 law enforcement continue to search for a missing 6-year-old Florida boy who was last seen Saturday, officers on horseback, K-9 units, ATVs and helicopters with infrared are all out canvassing the area.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It takes boots on the ground. It takes individual deputies getting out there and crawling through culverts and looking in brambles and bushes. So we`re just taking the search and being as thorough as we can.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Authorities say the child is developmentally disabled and has the mind of a 2-year-old. Officials are very concerned about the search effort because the boy may hide from searchers and may not approach someone to tell them he is lost. The boy was last seeing playing with neighborhood kids outside his grandmother`s home. Police continue to treat this as a missing persons case and say they will search until he is found.

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell. Caught on tape, the secret video of the Anthonys` private investigator searching the spot where little Caylee`s skeleton found weeks before police discover it. Tonight, we have the video. Is there a direct link between little Caylee`s remains and the tot mom?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Secret video has just been released of two private investigators allegedly searching the remains site a month before Caylee`s skull and bones were found. This secret footage was obtained by Orlando CNN affiliate WFTV.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This chilling video shows the Anthonys` private investigator, Dominic Casey, in November, searching and ramming a metal rod into the ground here at the crime scene, mere feet from where Caylee Anthony`s remains were later found, and at a nearby abandoned house, where he also forcefully knifed open black trash bags.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One of the private investigators can be seen talking on a cell phone throughout the video and focusing on a grouping of stones in the area. A reporter with one Orlando CNN affiliate claims that the same private investigator who was on the cell phone at one point says to the other PI that was filming, quote, It would be right here.

Meanwhile, one Orlando station is reporting that the meter reader who found the remains was in the same location more times than had been previously reported. Meter reader Roy Kronk was reportedly near the site back in November, when he was assigned to read meters in the Anthonys` neighborhood.

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KRONK: I`m in the Orlando, down by the school. I need you, like, now. I just found a human skull.

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GRACE: Straight out to Mark Williams, standing by there at the crime scene. He is with WNDB Newstalk 1150. Mark, what`s the latest?

MARK WILLIAMS, WNDB NEWSTALK 1150: Well, the latest is, of course, WFTV channel 9 and reporter Kathi Belich unveiling a story over the weekend about this secret video that was taken, showing the private investigator Jim Hoover shooting video of the second private investigator, by the name of Dominic Casey. Mr. Casey is shown with a metal rod probing the ground in about the general area where Caylee`s body was eventually found about 150 feet away. But also, it shows Mr. Casey also going through some plastic bags, some black bags, just ripping and tearing at them.

GRACE: Joining me right now, Kathi Belich with WFTV. What can you tell me, Kathi?

KATHI BELICH, WFTV: Well, I watched 12 minutes` worth of video, listened to it. There is audio that tape. We were not permitted to record it. We were permitted to record about a minute-and-a-half of the video. But I heard on that video -- at a point where you`re seeing the concrete blocks at the scene, I heard Dominic Casey, the Anthonys` private eye, say, It would be right here. The man who shot that video, private eye Jim Hoover, says that Dominic Casey told him that Caylee was dead and they were going to find her, and that`s what they were doing in that area on November 15th and November 16th.

GRACE: So Kathi, we have some of the video, but you saw the whole thing and you could hear it. You were disallowed from reproducing the audio.

BELICH: That`s right.

GRACE: Are you sure, Kathi Belich, that you heard the Anthonys` private investigator say, This is where it should be?

BELICH: I heard him say, It would be right here. And I listened to it again and again. And we were watching it on a big monitor and I stood with my ear right next to the speaker and then away from it. I listened to it several times so that I was sure. And what he says is, It would be right here.

GRACE: OK, what else did you see and hear on the video, Kathi Belich?

BELICH: On November 15th, Dominic Casey was milling about the scene. The focus seemed to be near these concrete blocks, which are there, just feet from where Caylee`s remains were found. He found some sort of a cloth of some kind. He lifted it with a knife, looked under it and then just sort of tossed it aside. He was looking around, and they seemed to be focused on these concrete blocks.

At this house, which -- from what I understand, you have to drive to that house from the scene. It`s not close enough where you could walk comfortably. I couldn`t find out where that house is. But again, the Anthonys` private eye, Dominic Casey, seemed to be focused for some reason on concrete blocks that were behind this abandoned house, and he literally just moved the blocks out of the way with his hands. No gloves on his hands, moved some 2-by-4s, and he just took a garden trowel and he just started digging right into the dirt there, several inches down, you know, and then he stopped, and they looked around the house.

And then it goes to the next day, which is November 16th, which he comes back to the scene sort of dressed in a bush jacket and jeans, sort of ready to go through the woods now. And he goes into the woods, again focused on those concrete blocks, and he gets some sort of a metal rod and he starts just jamming it into the ground. And at some point -- you know, a couple of times, it was all way down into the ground. A couple of times, it was getting sort of stuck and he was sort of forcing it. And then he -- you know, he went back to the house and he did the same thing with that rod.

Now, I should also say that on the 15th, he was on his cell phone. And he was walking out of the woods. He was sort of crouched down. You can see the video. He was sort or crouched down, looking around in the woods, on the cell phone with someone. And of course, the big question is, who was that that he was talking to on the cell phone?

GRACE: OK, Liz, in the control room, do you have the video ready? Let`s see it. OK, there you are seeing the Anthony private investigator, Dominic Casey, looking through bags, trash bags, just feet away from where little Caylee`s remains were ultimately found. Take a look.

Now, his excuse for being out there was that he heard it was a location where the tot mom hung out with friends. So why is he digging through trash bags and dirt? That is from WFTV. That`s one of the Anthonys` private investigators rifling through trash bags and searching near the wooded area where Caylee`s remains were discovered four weeks later.

Back to Kathi Belich, who has seen the entire video. Kathi, what was his story to police as to why he`s there at the scene where her skeleton is found weeks before police get there?

BELICH: I don`t know what he told the police. I know what he told me, and now there are new reports of a different story. He told me that he was on the phone, actually, with his ill daughter. Now I guess that are there reports that he was claiming that he was on the phone with a psychic of some kind. But he told me that he was there merely to -- first, he said he was going to rule it out as a location where one of Casey`s old high school friends had said she might have put a body, if she were going to do something like that. And then later, he sort of changed the story to he`s just ruling it out as a teen hangout. Now apparently, he`s saying that he went there because of a psychic tip, so...

GRACE: But why, everybody, would he be there if it were just a teen hangout? We are taking your calls live. More of that secretly recorded video we have just obtained when we get back.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Reports are now back from forensic botanists and entomologists showing that Caylee Anthony died during the month of June, but they can`t pinpoint an exact day of death. And that degree of uncertainty could give Casey Anthony`s defense a point to argue. According to a forensic entomologist, that`s because investigators believe Casey Anthony dumped her daughter`s body in the middle of June.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You can easily have an argument that would take you closer to the end of June, and someone could easily argue something closer to July.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Regardless of any potential defense argument, the timeframe of death information is helpful to the prosecution because either way, it shows the child was dead prior to the date she was reported missing.

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GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Tonight, we have the secretly recorded video of the Anthony private investigator there at the scene, just feet away from where Caylee`s little skeleton was ultimately found. This is weeks before the police find out about it and get there. What was he doing out there? Who was he on the cell phone with? Why hasn`t he already turned over those cell phone records to police? Liz, do we have the remainder of that cued up?

OK, Kathi Belich, again, I understand that the private investigator, Dominic Casey, has met with police. Did he hand over his cell phone records?

BELICH: I don`t know whether he has volunteered his cell phone records. Obviously, that`s something the investigators would want to look at right away. I understand he has at least possibly as many as three cell phones and used different ones on different occasions. That`s according to Jim Hoover, the private investigator who took that video. And he passed that information along.

GRACE: Natisha Lance, our producer, also at the crime scene. Natisha, it`s my understanding police are still trying to get their hands on his cell phone records. True, false?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: That`s what I`m hearing, as well, Nancy, that they are still trying to get their hands on his cell phone records, which have not been turned over as of yet.

GRACE: So my big question is, why hasn`t he turned the cell phone records over if there`s nothing to hide?

OK, let`s take a look at this just obtained video. Is this a direct link between little Caylee`s body and the tot mom? Here you see the Anthony private investigator digging, looking, searching, poking down into the dirt as if he`s looking for something buried. This is just feet away from where little Caylee is finally found. Here he is emerging from the woods, talking into the cell phone, just as Kathi Belich described for us. That is from WFTV. It`s the Anthony private investigator combing the woods weeks before Caylee`s remains are finally discovered, reportedly the same location where little Caylee`s remains found by a meter reader.

Out to the lines. Jonell in New York. Hi, Jonell.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy.

GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. The medical examiner made a point to say that there were no post-mortem trauma or broken bones. She never mentioned any broken bones made while the child was alive.

GRACE: Interesting. To Dr. Michael Bell, Palm Beach County chief medical examiner, joining us out of the Florida jurisdiction. Dr. Bell, would the medical examiner be able to tell whether a bone was broken pre- or post-mortem?

DR. MICHAEL BELL, PALM BEACH COUNTY MEDICAL EXAMINER: They may be able to tell whether or not it was broken pre-mortem, yes.

GRACE: How?

BELL: Well, they look for any hemorrhage within the fracture site itself.

GRACE: A hemorrhage? Whoa, whoa, whoa! Hemorrhage, would that require soft tissue?

BELL: No, not in the bone. And also, they might see -- if there`s any healing, that would certainly indicate that it occurred prior to death.

GRACE: OK, Doctor, when you say "hemorrhage within the bone," what do you mean?

BELL: Within the -- within the bone itself. It`s a tissue, as well.

GRACE: But this -- this was completely skeletonized. Would there be tissue?

BELL: Bone is a tissue.

GRACE: Bone is a tissue?

BELL: Yes.

GRACE: OK, I`ve never thought of bone as being a tissue.

BELL: Yes, it`s a living...

GRACE: By hemorrhage, do you mean bleeding?

BELL: Blood, yes, or the remnants of blood or the staining by blood.

GRACE: Ah. So six months later, you can still find that?

BELL: Yes.

GRACE: Interesting, Doctor. You have just illuminated me on a new subject. So six months later, the medical examiner could possibly tell whether a broken bone had been broken pre- or post-death.

BELL: Yes.

GRACE: Wow. OK. Out to the lines. Alice in Florida. Hi, Alice.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. How`re you doing? I want to thank you for giving us the facts and for sharing your children with us.

GRACE: Thank you. I`ve got some big news about Lucy later on in the show.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, I`ll wait to hear it. I have two quick questions. One, is there any chance the meter reader contacted anybody in the Casey family? Because no one was listening. And two, is there any chance that this mom is going to try to do a plea deal, rather than going to trial?

GRACE: Well, I can tell you right now, if Baez has any sense, they should at least try to do a deal. Whether that will happen, I don`t know because that would require the tot mom to admit, even to her family, that she was involved in Caylee`s death. That may never happen.

And to Leonard Padilla, bounty hunter who put up the bond for the tot mom to start with, before he came off that bond, and looked exhaustively for little Caylee. What about that first question from Alice? Do you believe the meter reader contacted the family?

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: I think he contacted his supervisor, Scott, who lives right down the road from the Anthonys.

GRACE: I couldn`t hear you. Contacted the supervisor, what?

PADILLA: I think that he`s contacted and talked about it to his supervisor in August. The supervisor, Scott, lives right down the street from the Anthonys on Hopespring. And he was also back out there not only on November but he was also back out there the last weekend of August, the 29th or the 30th. The meter reader was out there in that...

GRACE: Here`s video of the meter reader. So you think it`s possible he contacted his supervisor, who may have contacted the family?

PADILLA: I think he talked to the supervisor, and I think the supervisor knows the Anthonys, yes.

GRACE: So you believe this was all a tip-off from within -- back to Kronk. You think that`s how the private eyes knew about it?

PADILLA: I don`t know exactly how the private eyes got it. There could have been two sources. In other words, Kronk wasn`t getting the job done, so let`s get the private eyes out there. And then finally, whether the private eyes -- see, the private eyes were just 12 feet from the body, but the body was submerged in a pool of water at that time. There was water there.

GRACE: Let`s unleash the lawyers. Joining me tonight, veteran trial lawyer out of the San Francisco jurisdiction John Burris and high-profile defense attorney out of New York Richard Herman.

John, it`s not looking good that the Anthonys` private eye has changed his story, if, in fact, that is true. First he said he was checking this area out because it was a teen hangout of tot mom Casey. Who cares what she did when she was a teenager, all right? That`s not a good excuse. And now he says a completely different reason that he was there?

JOHN BURRIS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, you never like it when a person who is being interviewed gives different stories about issues that ought not be different. You ought to know what that story is and you ought to give it and be truthful. I think at the end of the day, what really matters, though, is what you really said, and that is about the telephone call. Is there some way to connect this with the tot mom? If not, I don`t think it matters why they`re out there.

GRACE: OK, we`ll be back with Richard Herman`s analysis in just a moment. We are taking your calls live.

But very quickly, I want to tell you about tonight`s "Case Alert." A Missouri woman sentenced to life without parole at the age of 18 in the shooting death of her own father now set to walk free. In an exclusive jailhouse interview here on NANCY GRACE, Stacey Lannert says she killed her father after years of sex abuse, starting when she was just 8 years old. Missouri governor Matt Blunt commuting Lannert`s sentence to 20 years. She`s already served 18. She`s now eligible for immediate conditional release.

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STACEY LANNERT, SENTENCED TO LIFE FOR KILLING FATHER: I know that I shot my father. He raped me for 10 years. I wasn`t able to say it at the time of the trial. I wasn`t able to say it to the jury. But I have to say it now so that some day I might have a life.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We watched the video with Lee Anthony`s attorney, Tom Luca, which shows the Anthony family`s private eye, Dominic Casey, on the cell phone with someone.

Is it Lee?

TOM LUCA, LEE ANTHONY`S ATTORNEY: Not that I know of. Denied ever talking to him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But channel 9 has video of Lee Anthony and private eye Dominic Casey at the...

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GRACE: We are taking your calls live. But first to the lawyers, John Burris out of San Francisco, Richard Herman out of New York. Richard, it doesn`t look good for the Anthonys` private investigator to be digging, literally digging a few feet from where the body was ultimately discovered weeks before the police knew about it. This suggests the tot mom told them where the body was.

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, that`s your interpretation, Nancy.

GRACE: Oh, really? What`s yours?

HERMAN: Mine is this. Back in November 11th, a psychic, Gayle (ph) St. John, alerted to that area. Canine dogs are out there. They didn`t find anything. The meter reader was out there a handful of times. He didn`t see anything. Witnesses talked about that area. Meanwhile, three weeks after the investigators are there with videotape of nothing, they find the body.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I provided detailed information to law enforcement.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The day before this press conference.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I had to (INAUDIBLE) this route.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: . Kronk`s supervisor told me that Kronk was assigned to work in this area in August when he made this phone call.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Behind one of the trees where the -- and it looked like.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And that he didn`t work there again until he found the remains in December.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do not do anything to cause any attention whatsoever. Just stay right there. Nobody moving.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Be careful.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But after pouring over Kronk`s schedule, we`ve learned he did work in that exact same area in November. So I asked his attorney what was so suspicious in August and December but not in November. And he told me, quote, "that area was not on his mind all the time. Kronk had his hands full in November and didn`t think about it."

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GRACE: Straight back out to Richard Herman.

Richard, what were you saying about Gale St. John.

RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I`m saying that a psychic Gale St. John alerted to this area August 11th. This was an area of interest, OK? The guy says that a psychic was directing him in this area.

GRACE: Well, here`s the difference, Richard.

HERMAN: Yes.

GRACE: She can explain why she was there. Her story hasn`t changed. The Anthonys` private I has changed his story and I bet you, dollars to doughnuts, that she would turn over her cell phone records to police without having to have a warrant or a subpoena issued.

Hold on. Let`s go to the source.

With me right now, Gale St. John, psychic detective and host of "The Body Hunter." Why were you in the same general area?

GALE ST. JOHN, PSYCHIC DETECTIVE, HOST, "THE BODY HUNTER": Well, we were searching for Caylee Anthony at time.

GRACE: Why? Why were you there? Why did you go to that area?

ST. JOHN: Well, we did a blind drive and that`s where it led us and that`s where we had the strong feelings that her body would be there.

GRACE: What strong feeling?

ST. JOHN: Well, when we felt like we got punched in the stomach that was a good indication that she was there at that time and we were concerned about searching the area. We backed away because of the fact that there was water there. And we were concerned with destruction of forensic evidence or anything.

GRACE: And Gale St. John, that was your story the very first time I spoke to you as to why you were there. It has remained your story, and it is your story tonight, is that correct?

ST. JOHN: That`s correct.

GRACE: Out to the lines, Melissa in Tennessee. Hi, Melissa.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, hello, Nancy.

GRACE: Hi, dear. Thank you for calling. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh my god, first, I just love you, me and my best friend (INAUDIBLE). OK, the question is.

GRACE: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: . when the duct tape was around her mouth and stuff, was it -- did it have any skin or any -- flesh still left to it? What was.

GRACE: No, completely skeletonized. No tissue left whatsoever. Isn`t that correct, Natisha Lance?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: That`s correct, Nancy. According to the medical examiner, she said that there was no visible tissue found on the skeletal remains.

GRACE: Back to the lines. Susan Washington, hi, Susan.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Congratulations on your beautiful babies.

GRACE: Thank you. Thank you so much. I don`t take any credit, though. It was all a blessing from heaven.

What`s your question, love?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m wondering if they might be, the investigators, might have been looking for some kind of a weapon or something that would link Casey to -- directly to the murder?

GRACE: Huh. What about it, Kathi Belich? Any discussion they were actually looking for a weapon?

KATHI BELICH, REPORTER, WFTV, COVERING STORY: Well, the medical examiner said there was no sign of trauma to the body. And other than the remains themselves they would not discuss at this point on the record what else they might have found with the body in that bag at the scene.

GRACE: To Ben Levitan, telecommunications expert joining us out of Raleigh, North Carolina.

Ben, thank you for being with us yet again to educate us. Ben, from what we know, from our sources, this private investigator has not handed over his cell phone records to police. Now, what would those cell phone records reveal?

BEN LEVITAN, COMMUNICATIONS EXPERT: Well, Nancy, this is a red herring. It`s a complete red herring. The phone records that a subscriber would turn over are only billing records. It`s only 1/10 of the information collected.

It`s clear that the police, the Orlando Police, and detectives can obtain -- have those records right now in substantial detail.

Let me tell you what I think is really going on in this whole thing.

GRACE: OK.

LEVITAN: There`s a lot of circumstantial evidence. I believe that at this point it`s my opinion that the Anthonys, the detectives, and several other associates are under wiretap order, because right now, as far as bringing this to trial, everything is circumstantial.

I would bet you that, just like in the Governor Blagojevich manner, there is a wiretap on the family, on the investigator, and that is what is going to convict in this manner.

GRACE: Let`s take a look again at the just-obtained video of the Anthony private investigator. Here he is weeks before police get there actually cutting with a knife through trash bags there at the scene. This is just a few feet away from where Caylee`s little skeleton was ultimately found.

Why? Why is he out there digging with his trowel? Digging down deep into the earth and slashing open trash bags similar to the bag in which Caylee was ultimately found? That video is from WFTV. It`s from the Anthonys` private I, rifling through trash bags, searching near that wooded area where Caylee was found weeks later.

I want to go to Steve Kardian, former police detective, joining us out of New York. After you reviewing the tape, what do you see?

STEVE KARDIAN, FMR. POLICE DETECTIVE: Well, I see Mr. Casey going through that scene almost in a frantic way, like he was expecting to find something at that location. And -- it`s obvious that he was directed there by some source.

GRACE: And why slit open garbage bags, Steven Kardian, if you`re just checking out a scene where you`ve heard the tot mom hung out when she was a teenager. That doesn`t even make any sense. Why am I going to go off to the side of the road and start slitting open trash bags?

KARDIAN: Well, Nancy, it`s like he had information that, that he was going to be looking in -- for a body possibly in that trash bag. And by doing so, he -- contaminated that scene.

GRACE: To Dr. Janet Taylor, psychiatrist joining us out of New York.

Dr. Taylor, it`s great to see you again.

DR. JANET TAYLOR, PSYCHIATRIST: Thank you, Nancy.

GRACE: Dr. Taylor, this could be the direct link between the body of little Caylee back to the tot mom. Where did this P.I. working for the Anthonys, get the information?

My question to you after all the months of not talking, do you believe the tot mom would have tipped somebody off?

TAYLOR: Well, it certainly sounds like she could have tipped someone off and who more than likely than someone in her family. I mean, you know, clearly I`m not a private investigator, I`m not a lawyer, but there seems to be an element that distrust, the theme that runs with the family, and so that would allow them to keep secrets.

And so could she suggested -- could she had slipped something to someone in her family that let the -- private investigators be more suspicious? I`d say it`s certainly in the real of possibility.

GRACE: You know, the grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony, have been extremely quiet lately. No press conferences, no, nothing. Why?

TAYLOR: Well, you know, this case, this huge case, media notwithstanding, they`re in grief. They lost their granddaughter. Now they have to worry about being in the middle of a criminal case that potentially can involve their daughter.

So their silence probably runs around the theme of grief and also the fact that they really have to sit down and figure out a plan about how to get their family back together.

GRACE: Well, they`ve been through hell. They`re still in hell because they now realize little Caylee is dead. I still don`t understand why they haven`t laid the child to rest. Her bones are just sitting in a cardboard box at a funeral home.

To Kathy Belich with WFTV. Kathi, why would the search there be videotaped? Why were they taping it?

BELICH: Well, our legal analysts, Bill Schaefer, believes there is one of two reasons. He believes either that Dominic Casey had inside information somehow and went to the scene to truly carry on his search. Or he pretended to carry on his search to help the defense.

Either way he believes that Dominic Casey had to have inside information. He believes either he had inside information to look there or else he had to have inside information so that he didn`t while he was milling around on camera.

GRACE: Because.

BELICH: . stumbled upon the body, then there would be trouble in that situation. So that`s the take.

GRACE: Because that to me adds to the suggestion they knew the body was close because why videotape it?

Everyone, quickly, the search for a missing Georgia teen. Christian Gardner, last seen January 3, between midnight and 2:00 a.m. Forsyth County. Police searching for Kevin Black, an alleged sighting near (INAUDIBLE), north Georgia.

Take a look. If you have info about this missing girl, please call sheriffs at 770-781-2222.

And today, big news about the twins, little Lucy, walked today for the first time. And of course, John David who`s been walking for several weeks now. But I can remember when little Lucy was still attached in intensive care to so many tubes. And now she`s walking.

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GRACE: Before we take you to the latest on a missing 6-year-old little boy, let`s go back to the phones.

Nancy in Arkansas, hi, Nancy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Your children are precious.

GRACE: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The question I have is that private investigator, do you suppose maybe he knew that little Caylee was out there, and he was purposely opening the garbage bags to allow the animals to get to the bones and scatter them?

GRACE: Well, that is a speculation that he knew the body was there, but for what purpose, Leonard Padilla?

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, HELPED LOOK FOR CAYLEE ANTHONY: No, he wasn`t doing that. He was actually looking for the body. Hoover said that they`d gone out there because on the 15th, he was told that the body was there. She wasn`t alive. They were going to go get her.

And -- the problem is that where he was looking, he was about 12 feet away from the body. The body was actually submerged in about 18 inches of water at that time. The ones where he`s with the trowel and all that, that`s across a street at a vacant street.

But the reason he was looking at the house and over here in the -- where they found the body is because of the paver blocks. They were a designation as to where the body was, 12 feet from the paving blocks. That`s why he was there. He wasn`t trying to do nothing than trying to find the body.

GRACE: Let`s take a look again at this video. Take a look. Here you see the private investigator for the Anthonys. Now putting a rod several feet down into the ground, looking for what? He says he was just checking out a teen hangout of the tot mom`s. She hasn`t been a teenager for a really long time and here he is emerging in the woods, talking on the cell phone.

And quickly to Leonard Padilla, why do you think he hasn`t handed over those cell phone records?

PADILLA: Well, he hasn`t handled them over because he`s still telling stories about who he was talking to. I mean I`ve heard several other people`s name come up, including Joy Ray(ph) that he was talking to and.

GRACE: Right.

PADILLA: . and she admits that she was talking to.

GRACE: Everybody, you just saw a video from WFTV of the Anthonys` private I coming to the woods weeks before Caylee`s remains was discovered officially by the police. Reportedly it`s that same location found by a utility meter reader.

And very quickly, I want to go to the case of the missing little boy. But John Burris, Richard Herman, bottom line, if those cell phone record show that he was on the phone with anybody than the Anthony team, he`s up the creek without a paddle, Herman.

HERMAN: No, I don`t think so. 15th and 16th that`s a dry area there`s no body found. Three weeks later the body conveniently shows up, a stone`s throw from the roadway.

GRACE: OK, that was beautiful. I didn`t know you knew how to tango because you danced right out of that question.

Burris, give it to me straight. If those cell phones of him on the phone at that moment where he is 12 feet from Caylee`s body relates back to the Anthony team, he`s in trouble. They`re all in trouble. The tot mom`s in trouble.

JOHN BURRIS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, the tot mom`s in trouble no matter what.

GRACE: Well, I know that, obviously, she`s indicted for murder one.

BURRIS: Yes, right. She`s in trouble but the question is what is the trouble that he`s involved in? He`s trying to find a body. I don`t think that makes him a criminal in any ways. And if someone gave him that information.

GRACE: Not him. It shows he got the information from her behind bars. Hello!

BURRIS: Well, I -- I understand that.

HERMAN: But it`s false.

BURRIS: But you don`t know that. They`ve got tie that up.

GRACE: Yes, I know.

BURRIS: And I don`t know that he`s going to follow with that or not.

GRACE: I know I don`t know -- that`s why we have a trial.

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HERMAN: Every call`s recorded, Nancy. You know that.

GRACE: Yes, I do.

BURRIS: So it`s hard to believe that the.

GRACE: So I`m very happy for when he turns over those cell phone records voluntarily to police.

BURRIS: She`s not talking to her, though.

HERMAN: They already have it.

BURRIS: She is not talking.

HERMAN: They have his records, yes.

GRACE: Well put, gentlemen.

Quickly, I want to talk about the 6-year-old missing boy. Take a listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police are desperate to find a 6-year-old boy who has been missing since Saturday afternoon. The boy was last seen outside his grandmother`s home playing with friends late in the afternoon. When the child`s stepfather came to pick him up, the boy was gone.

Over 150 law enforcement and personnel are out searching the area with helicopters and ATVs also brought in to assist the search effort. Police say the 6-year-old is developmentally disabled and has the mind a 2-year- old. He cannot speak and only understands a few words.

Authorities also say the boy may hide from searchers which has them concerned for his well being.

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GRACE: Poor little thing has the mind of a 2-year-odl child. He may actually be hiding from the searchers. He cannot communicate verbally.

Rory O`Neill with Westwood 1 Radio, joining us. Rory, explain to me how did he go missing?

RORY O`NEILL, REPORTER, METRO NETWORKS: Well, Nancy, good evening. He was playing in the yard. It`s a communal area. He was playing in there. And some family and friends had thought he was around. He was last seen around 5:30 on Saturday night. The father came to pick him up. He wasn`t there.

GRACE: Oh no, they lost all of that time?

O`NEILL: Then it got worse because the mother of the child was at work. She works at a local nursing home. She didn`t get home until about midnight. That`s when she found out that the boy is missing.

GRACE: Oh no.

O`NEILL: Since then the search`s been pretty thorough. Helicopters, bloodhounds, everything that they can do across South Florida, really, to find the little 6-year-old.

GRACE: To Lieutenant Tom Smith, with a special crime`s bureau with Collier County Sheriff`s Office.

Lieutenant, thank you for being with us. Describe the little boy for me.

LT. TOM SMITH, SPECIAL CRIMES BUREAU, COLLIER COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE: Good evening. Yes, Adji Desir is 6 years of age and as you said he is developmentally disabled. He is three feet tall, 45 pounds with black hair and brown eyes. He was last seen wearing a blue shirt with yellow stripes and a pair of blue shorts with little pink flamingos going down the seams.

GRACE: This little child could be wandering alone right now. Look at him. He has a mind of a 2-year-old child.

Lieutenant, does he speak English?

SMITH: He only speaks about five words of English. His native language is Creole. But he doesn`t speak it. He understands and can respond by shaking his head. He knows his name. Responds to it by looking at you and shaking, you know, his head yes or no. So he`s extremely nonverbal which adds to the fact that he couldn`t speak up and say, help me, I`m lost, you know, with a stranger.

GRACE: Well, certainly, anybody that sees a 6-year-old child walking alone would know something was wrong, Lieutenant, don`t you think?

SMITH: Oh, absolutely. But you know, obviously, we`re working parallel investigations which is the best way to do these kinds of matters where we don`t miss any opportunities. So at the same time that we`re working the case as an endangered child, we`re also looking at and exploring all the avenues as regards to an abduction.

GRACE: Do you believe at this juncture he was kidnapped? I mean how far could a child with a mental capacity of a 2-year-old get on his own?

SMITH: Well, you know there`s a lot of dynamics that go with young children and you know, sometimes they amaze us as to what their survivability is and what their wandering ability. So we are, like I said, doing a complete parallel investigation covering all avenues in both directions. But at this time, there`s nothing to lead us or way us in one way or the other.

GRACE: Back to Rory O`Neill with Westwood 1 Radio, what is the prevalent theory about where the little boy is?

O`NEILL: Well, it`s difficult. As the officer was just saying, it`s difficult to pin down whether or not this was a crime or this is just a tragic situation. There is a fence surrounding the neighborhood where he lives, the farm worker`s village.

But there are plenty of holes in it. It`s very porous. It`s -- they wouldn`t confine him necessarily. So that makes it that much more complicated as they try to find these holes in the fence (INAUDIBLE) designed to keep him inside.

GRACE: Describe the area. Describe the area.

O`NEILL: Very remote. Again, this is a -- this is a farming community. So the area where they are, it`s actually a housing district but just outside there, it gets very rural very quickly. It is some dense, agricultural -- it`s a dense agricultural area.

GRACE: Rory, who last saw him?

O`NEILL: It was his grandmother who last saw him. He was playing at his her house in and throughout the day.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It takes boot on the ground. It takes individual deputies getting out there and crawling through coverts and looking in rambles and bushes. So we`re just taking the search and being as thorough as we can.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Authorities say the child is developmentally disabled and has the mind of a 2-year-old. Officials are very concerned about the search effort because the boy may hide from searchers and may not approach someone to tell them that he is lost.

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GRACE: Straight back out to our special guests, Lieutenant Tom Smith.

Do you believe the little boy wandered off or was he abducted? What is your analysis at this point?

SMITH: Well, at this point, you know, I have to stick to our hypothesis that we`re sharing the investigation in both directions. There isn`t anything that`s weighing us in either direction.

So, you know, to say that we`re looking at the abduction stronger than we would the endangered child side would do exactly what we don`t want to do. We don`t want to miss any opportunities. We`re following both areas just as tightly.

GRACE: OK. Out to the lines, Jax in Canada. Hi, Jax.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy, I love you so much and you`re such an inspiration. And I hope someday I`m blessed with beautiful babies like Lucy and John David.

GRACE: A, I`m not an inspiration. And B.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You are.

GRACE: . God bless you in your wishes. You know I worked all the way up, 48 when I finally gave birth. So believe me, there`s hope.

What`s your question, dear?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was wondering if there`s any evidence of foul -- of foul play, sorry.

GRACE: OK. Lieutenant?

SMITH: Not at this time.

GRACE: OK. Rhonda, Kentucky, quickly, dear.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello, Nancy. I wondered, you said he was with playmates. I wondered how old they were?

GRACE: Good question.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If they were they playing some kind of game? If it`s possible that.

GRACE: Lieutenant, what about it?

SMITH: It`s a farming community. All of the children are very comfortable in the community. There`s a lot of orange groves. They around the orange groves, the basketball grounds. All of his friends are age appropriate, they`re 4, 5 and 6. They`ve all been interviewed. And everything -- everything seems to be that he just disappeared from the street corner at this time.

GRACE: Everyone, the tip line, 239-774-8477.

Let`s stop and remember Army Staff Sergeant David Textor, 27 years old, Roanoke, Virginia, killed Iraq. An elite Green Beret, highly decorated with a National Defense Service medal, Army Service ribbon, Special Forces tab.

Lost his life hours after his last Web chat with his wife. Loved motorcycles, camping, weightlifting, going to parks. Dreamed of coaching kid soccer. Leaves behind parents, Bill and Jenny, five sisters, widow Collette, five children ages 2 to 14.

David Textor, American hero.

Thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern and until then, good night, friend.

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