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Nancy Grace
New Casey Anthony Jailhouse Video Released
Aired January 16, 2009 - 20:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, GUEST HOST: Breaking news tonight in the disappearance of that 2-year-old Florida girl named Caylee. After a six- month search by police and volunteers, a meter reader stumbles upon a garbage bag and a tiny human skull in a heavily wooded area just yards from the Anthony home, the skeletal remains confirmed to be Caylee Anthony, manner of death homicide.
Bombshell tonight. New jailhouse video just released. In her own words, we hear an angry Casey Anthony dodge question after question as she is confronted by parents George and Cindy Anthony, the tot mom still blaming the so-called nanny, having a big pity party and constantly talking about herself. She even admits watching herself on TV right here on NANCY GRACE. The tot mom also insists she should be treated as a victim. Tonight, we have the stunning videotape.
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CASEY ANTHONY, CAYLEE`S MOTHER: (INAUDIBLE) come on!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just released video of a jailhouse visit to tot mom Casey Anthony shows the 22-year-old Anthony viewed herself as a victim in this case.
CASEY ANTHONY: I have no one to talk to! Jose, when it comes, is the only person that I can talk to right now because I can`t even say anything to you guys!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In conversations with her parents, George and Cindy Anthony, tot mom Casey Anthony says that her entire life has been taken from her and that she is just as much of a victim as her parents.
CASEY ANTHONY: I have no one to comfort me but myself. I may look like I`m in charge. Wrong. Right now, this is the most agitated and frustrated that I`ve been, even when I`ve sat with Jose and I watched that episode of NANCY GRACE and the stuff that was being said about Mom and being said about me.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Also tonight, a 6-year-old boy goes missing without a trace in southwest Florida. The little boy cannot verbally communicate and has the mind of a 2-year-old. The search growing more desperate by the hour. Tonight, what happened to 6-year-old Adji?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The FBI child abduction rapid deployment team has now joined the investigation into what happened to missing 6-year-old Adji. Local state and federal officials continue to try and determine whether or not the boy was kidnapped or simply wandered off. The search has now expanded to a radius of 16 miles, and the amount of law enforcement searching for Adji has doubled.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A total of 300 searchers are now looking for the missing 6-year-old. The effort expanded again today. For the first time, crews went out on the water at nearby Lake (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re trying to eliminate every possibility, and when you have a resource that you can use that`s to your advantage, then we`re going to take advantage of it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And as the investigation continues, the reward for information leading to Adji`s return has grown to $11,000. There`s no timetable right now for how long investigators will continue their search.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The sheriff`s office appeals to the public for help, asking volunteers to come out and help look for the boy.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Adji`s mom refuses to give up hope, either. She pleads, If someone has him, bring him back. In the meantime, she prays.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: God will give him back to me again. I think he will come home.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Good evening. I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, in for Nancy Grace. Tonight, bombshell video just released of tot mom Casey Anthony behind bars.
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CASEY ANTHONY: (INAUDIBLE) you guys expect me to have a thousand answers, and I have nothing! I`ve been here a month!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At one point during the August 14th visit, Anthony gets very angry with her parents for pressing her for answers about what happened to Caylee, telling her parents she`s at a standstill and can`t point them in the right direction.
CINDY ANTHONY, CAYLEE`S GRANDMOTHER: Just understand we`re all going in so many different directions, we just want to go in the right one.
CASEY ANTHONY: Well, I can`t point you in that direction when I`m literally at a standstill. I am just as removed from this situation as somebody who has no clue what`s going on. At least even random people that we`ve never met have more of an outlook on this than I do right now. It`s really sad. It`s really, really sad that I literally have nothing right now.
I`m not in control over any of this because I don`t know what the hell`s going on! I don`t know what`s going on. My entire life has been taken from me. Everything has been taken from me!
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: What a whiner! It`s outrageous. So much astounding new video of Casey Anthony to show you tonight. But first, for the very latest, let`s go straight out to Orlando and Drew Petrimoulx, reporter for WDBO radio. Drew, what is the very latest with this new tape? How come it`s being released now, with the conversations occurred back in August.
DREW PETRIMOULX, WDBO: Well, it`s basically an oversight. That`s what jail officials are saying, that they should have been released with video that were released a while back, but they weren`t. And yet you see in these videos, she`s really painting herself as a victim. She said the media and the sheriff`s office are out to get her. She even mentions the NANCY GRACE show by name. She says that her attorney, Jose Baez, showed her an episode and she couldn`t believe how -- the things that were being said about her and her mother.
This tape supposedly had some sort of police misconduct. That was one of the defense motions that they were asking for this tape to be released because it was going to show some sort of police misconduct.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh, hold on. Hold on. The defense requested this tape? In other words, they`re the reason why we`re watching it? Because this doesn`t do them any good at all. This is outrageous. She is calling herself a victim, which is an insult to her little daughter, who we now know is deceased.
PETRIMOULX: That`s right. And when the last set of motions were filed, they called for this tape -- this specific date to be released, and they said in that motion that there were signs of police misconduct that would be proven from this tape. And you know, honestly, I don`t see any of that. What I do see is Casey getting very frustrated with her parents. When they asked for information about the whereabouts of Caylee, she says, basically, she has no way of helping them. She`s been in jail. And you know, she, at one point, almost walks out of interview and gets so frustrated that she almost loses control.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes, Drew, we`re going to show you that right now, astounding video, outrageous behavior. Listen to this.
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CASEY ANTHONY: Can someone let me -- come on!
CINDY ANTHONY: Casey, hold on, sweetheart. Settle down, baby.
CASEY ANTHONY: Nobody`s letting me speak. You want me to talk and...
CINDY ANTHONY: All right, I`ll listen to you.
CASEY ANTHONY: ... give me three seconds to say something!
CINDY ANTHONY: Go, sweetheart.
I was in Lake (ph) County two days ago.
CASEY ANTHONY: OK.
CINDY ANTHONY: Is there anything there?
CASEY ANTHONY: Mom, she`s -- I`m sorry. I love you guys. I miss you.
CINDY ANTHONY: All right, sweetheart. Here`s Dad. Hold on.
CASEY ANTHONY: No, I`m going to hang up and just walk away right now because...
CINDY ANTHONY: No, please don`t.
CASEY ANTHONY: I`m frustrated and I`m angry, and I don`t want to be angry. This is the first time I`ve truly, truly been angry this entire time, but I`m so beyond frustrated with -- with all of this that I can`t even swallow right now. It hurts.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: And Cindy keeps referring to her daughter as "sweetheart." To me, Jeff Gardere -- you`re the psychologist, but to me, it seems like classic co-dependent enabling behavior by the parents, trying to placate this girl.
JEFF GARDERE, PSYCHOLOGIST: It seems like it`s been going on a very long time, Jane. This seems like a replay of what has happened in their lives. They`re treating her as if she`s a volcano about to erupt. They`re treating her with kid gloves. And isn`t it fascinating, they`re asking her about the whereabouts of Caylee? And I think that says it all right there.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, the phone line`s lighting up, but let`s hear one more piece of tape before we go to our first call because it`s just so outrageous. It`s crazy. Listen to this.
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CASEY ANTHONY: I`m not in control over any of this because I don`t know what the hell`s going on. I don`t know what`s going on. My entire life has been taken from me. Everything has been taken from me! You don`t understand. Everybody wants me to have answers. I don`t have any answers because I don`t know what`s going on. I have no one to talk to except Jose when he comes. That`s the only person that I can talk to right now because I can`t even say anything to you guys besides telling you that I love you.
I want Caylee, things like that, and that`s not even getting put on the air, which it should be. It`s everything else, everything that I`m not saying. That`s why I haven`t been calling. That`s why I haven`t been taking calls, because him and I said that we weren`t going do that because I`m trying to make sure that I`m not going to get anybody anything else to throw against me. And even with me giving them nothing, they`re still doing it.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Pat Brown, you`re the criminal profiler. Isn`t she essentially saying here that she`s afraid to talk because she might slip and say something incriminating?
PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Oh, yes, Jane, she is. And what she`s really upset about is she wants to be, as she said, seen as a victim, not that she is one, but she wants to be seen as victim and that`s what she`s upset about, that out in TV land and now out in NANCY GRACE land, it`s not happening. We`re seeing her for what she really is.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Kelly in Texas, your question or thought, ma`am?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. This is for the psychiatrist or psychologist. I would like to know if Cindy is not feeling some guilt that she used Caylee to maybe intimidate Caylee -- or Casey to grow up.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, Jeff Gardere, how much guilt is Cindy feeling, in your opinion, during this interaction?
GARDERE: That is an incredibly good question because I think she`s probably been feeling guilt her whole life and that she has had to raise this girl, who may be some sort of a sociopath, a borderline personality who can`t really interact with people in an appropriate manner, but yet she`s been shielding her her whole life. And if she is guilty of the disappearance of her daughter, then in some way, she enabled that. That is that co-dependency that you talked about, Jane.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Cecilia, Arkansas. Question or thought, ma`am?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, I was just wondering about the immunity deal that Casey had in the beginning, if it`s going to come up in trial for the defense that she didn`t just say what had happened and then say, Oh, how you can`t touch me because you offered me immunity.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Any kind of deals that we know about, Nikki Pierce, reporter?
NIKKI PIERCE, WDBO: Well, early on, she was offered an immunity deal way before all of these heavy charges, the murder charges, and all of that came down. I think that`s completely off the table at this time.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, let`s go to Leonard Padilla, bounty hunter. Put this into context for us. This is happening on August 14th. Did she know at this time that she was going to get bailed out, which kind of really robs all of her drama of this authenticity?
LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: Well, I just today, after days and days of saying I got to go check my phone bills -- it was the 12th that I talked to Jose for the first time. I don`t know whether he had mentioned it by the 14th to her at all. I do know that he told me, This evening, I`m going to New York or somewhere. And then we talked several times after that on his cell phone and made arrangements to fly back there that Sunday.
But tell you something that`s even more. Remember what she says to somebody -- or she was whispering to Jose when she got out of jail that time and she or somebody said, I want to walk out of here with my head held up high? That`s not what she said. She told Tracy, she said, Get me the "F" out of here.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow.
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CINDY ANTHONY: You`ll be fine once Caylee`s found.
CASEY ANTHONY: Mom, I understand. Do you understand my position on this? You guys expect me to have a thousand answers, and I have nothing. I`ve been here a month, out of contact with everybody except you guys, on the rare occasion that I get to see you, and my attorney. Do you -- do you understand? What am I supposed to learn from that? And what am I supposed to learn from that the first week-and-a-half? Yes, I tried to help you guys backtrack. That`s all that I could do is backtrack. I can`t backtrack on anything. I`m on -- I`ve been removed from the situation. You guys are not understanding my side on this, and I`m sorry.
CINDY ANTHONY: No, I understand.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, in for Nancy Grace. We are playing and analyzing the extraordinary and outrageous videotape of Casey Anthony talking from jail in August to her visiting parents, Cindy and George. Listen to this one.
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CASEY ANTHONY: This is seriously the first time that I`ve been angry, that I`ve been this frustrated to where I -- I can`t even think straight at this moment. Throughout this entire thing, I was pissed off that day at the police station, I was mad when all of that happened, but I tried to look at things objectively. And this entire time, I haven`t sat in my room for the entire month and been mad. Not once. Not one time. But right now, this is the most agitated and frustrated that I`ve been. Even when I`ve sat with Jose and watched that episode of NANCY GRACE and the stuff that is being said about Mom and being said about me and him and everybody else and stuff that I`ve heard -- it`s frustrated me, but I`ve let it go.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: So she is concerned, Natisha Lance, about how she`s perceived. We had heard she didn`t watch television from jail. Now it turns out she is very curious about how she`s portrayed.
NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: That`s how it sounds, Jane. And we do remember that Jose Baez did say that he had gone in with Casey and so that she could have a good laugh. And he was showing her some of the reports that had been done about her, including this one, apparently, about the NANCY GRACE show. So it`s very interesting now to see that she`s upset about this. She`s very -- you can see all the emotion on her, but you also see the emotion from her parents, which is a little disturbing, in my opinion.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, her parents devastated. I do have tremendous compassion for any parent put in this situation. How can they be perfect when they`re dealing with this kind of a daughter? And I`m not saying that they didn`t do something in their parenting that contributed to her behavior, but I can still have compassion for them.
Let`s bring in the lawyers to analyze the impact this tape is going to have on the trial, Penny Douglas Furr and Joey Jackson, both defense attorneys. Penny, who`s going to play this tape at trial? I would presume the prosecution. What impact could have it have?
PENNY DOUGLAS FURR, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I would move to keep the trial out, if I`m the defense -- I would move to keep the tape out of the trial, if I`m the defense, because I can`t say that it proves anything about what happened to the child. And I would say that it`s definitely more prejudicial than anything it could gain for the state as far as evidence is concerned. So I would ask to keep it out.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Joey, do you think they`ll get it in, the prosecution? And what would they use it to prove?
JOEY JACKSON, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Sure. There`s a few ways they can do it, Jane. The first way is through impeachment, and that`s unlikely, and I`ll tell you why. Whenever someone testifies, you can use anything they say that would be inconsistent from what they say at trial against them. So it`s unlikely that she will testify, so they can`t there.
The second way is through stipulation. Now, the only way -- you have to understand that -- look, there`s one side of the coin that portrays her as a sociopath, as psychotic and self-absorbed. The defense`s theory is that she`s falsely accused and she`s a victim in this case, so they want to play it up by saying, I care about, you know, Caylee. Where is she? I want my family back. And that`s why the defense would want to maybe show this. And she wouldn`t be subject to cross-examination.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Joey, is it possible that the prosecution and the defense would both use it but just play different clips?
JACKSON: That`s whole theory, Jane. The point of the matter is -- and not only different clips, Jane, but what they would do is on every clip, they would have a different spin. From the defense theory, Look, it`s our theory all along she didn`t do it, she wasn`t there. You know, she wants her baby back. She wants her family back. This is outrageous. And from the prosecution`s theory, she`s lying, she`s psychopathic and she can`t be trusted.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow. Dawn, Kentucky, question or thought, ma`am?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, mine is about Lee Anthony. You know, he wants immunity. I was wondering, we haven`t heard much about what he initially told detectives because he was there the day that Casey told her mother. And I wondered what he had told detectives that day.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Drew Petrimoulx, address that. And also, where is Lee in this tape? He didn`t visit that day, I guess. And apparently, this is the last time -- my understanding is this is the last -- the video that we`re watching from August 14th is the last time her parents visited her in jail, the last time anybody who is a friend or relative visited her in jail.
Now, she was released a couple of times and brought back to jail. But still, that`s a pretty stunning commentary.
PETRIMOULX: That is true. This is the last visit. Let`s go to the immunity thing. It`s not blanket immunity that his lawyer was seeking. If he was going to testify against his sister in any way, he wants that testimony to not be able to be used against him in another trial. As far as what he said in his testimony to deputies, he`s basically toed the family line of Zenaida Gonzalez and the baby-sitter story. He`s never came out and really gone against the whole family story.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, listen to this tape, and I believe Casey freaks out in this little segment.
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GEORGE ANTHONY, CAYLEE`S GRANDFATHER: Hey, sweetheart.
CASEY ANTHONY: Hey.
GEORGE ANTHONY: And listen, I want you to know, you are the boss through this whole thing, OK?
CASEY ANTHONY: Well, no, I`m not anymore, Dad. I haven`t been since I got here.
GEORGE ANTHONY: Oh yes, you are. You are the -- think of this for a second...
CASEY ANTHONY: Dad, I`ve been...
GEORGE ANTHONY: Listen...
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GEORGE ANTHONY: No, just listen to me for one moment, OK? Just listen to me for one second, OK? Listen, think of you owning this conglomerate, this huge business. Jose is one of your employees. So is the sheriff`s department. So is the FBI. So am I. So is Lee. So is Mom. You know, we`re all working with you. And if for some reason, something`s not being said or being done, you can make a change. You`re the one who can say, Listen...
CASEY ANTHONY: Dad, I`ve told Jose...
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CASEY ANTHONY: No, I`ve given him the information to give you guys.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Jeff Gardere, what is this father talking about? She`s the CEO of a conglomerate and everybody`s working for her? That is the kookiest thing I`ve ever heard. Talk about giving her all the power and setting no boundaries, it`s unbelievable.
GARDERE: You know, this reminds me of some of the patients that I work with, where some of their kids perhaps are very destructive, or the parents can`t seem to handle what`s going on with their kids, and so instead of hitting them, we work with them around strategies, figure out how you can deal with this child in an intelligent manner to teach them lessons, to be able to get through to them.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: But let me jump in here. Look at these parents. Cindy`s holding her mouth like this. She`s rocking back and forth. I mean, this child, adult child, is impossible, for lack of a better word, the worst case scenario for a parent, completely impossible. And how do you deal with an impossible situation?
GARDERE: Well, but -- and that`s what I was going to say. And yes, you and I are on the same page on this, Jane. This is what you do with very young children. But when it comes to adults, you talk to them from one adult to another, and that`s not being done here. They`re coddling and still babying her, and I think this says a lot about their relationship.
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CASEY ANTHONY: I can`t do anything from here. I don`t have access to the Internet. I can`t make phone calls. I can`t go anywhere. I`ve already told you, Mom. I told you everything.
CINDY ANTHONY: I`ve thought about everything that you`ve told me over the month.
CASEY ANTHONY: Well, you thought about stuff and you`ve done what you can. I`m sorry, that`s all that I can do from the only knowledge that I have.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell, in for Nancy Grace. Casey Anthony in heated conversation with her parents, Cindy and George, on August 14th, the very last time her parents visited her in jail. She was bailed out not long after this video was taken. Of course, she was later jailed again, and she`s in jail tonight, charged with the murder of her daughter, Caylee.
I want to go out to Dr. Keri Peterson, who is a doctor of internal medicine at Lenox Hill Hospital. Why no burial yet, Doctor? The family had said they would bury this child after the second autopsy was completed. That second autopsy reportedly has been completed, so what could be left?
DR. KERI PETERSON, PHYSICIAN: Well, from reports, I think that what they`re looking at is the DNA a little more deeply to see if they can uncover any underlying genetic conditions. And also the bones -- see, they haven`t released the autopsy reports, but you can extract from the bones some information about what caused this homicide. For example, if there is chloroform present in the bones, that can be determined through analysis.
And in addition, I think there was something about a snake that they were looking at. Perhaps there`s some remains inside a dead snake that they may be looking at to see if they can tie it into the body.
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CASEY ANTHONY, MOTHER OF MISSING CAYLEE: Right now, I`m so hurt by everything. I don`t even know what to say. And I hate to say that.
GEORGE ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY`S FATHER: Well, I`m not, I`m not trying to upset you, neither, neither are mom. What I`m trying to -- and if we are I`m sorry for that.
C. ANTHONY: I know that`s not your intention, because you have to understand where I`m coming from in this and, obviously, none of you are by expecting me a month literally out of the loop to have some sort of new insight on stuff. I mean, really?
I`ve been praying every single day for insight. And everybody`s thoughts and everybody`s feelings. So I know where you`re standing, where you`re coming from, and I know where you`re standing right now and mom and Lee and Joe Schmo walking down the block, and seeing this every day in the media for the last month.
I can understand everybody else (INAUDIBLE), but the worst part is that nobody can see my side and I have to keep my mouth shut. I have to keep my mouth shut about how I feel and with everything else because all I need do is give the media more stuff for them, the detectives and with whoever else to throw back in my face when this goes to trial.
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JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL, GUEST HOST: But she`s not keeping her mouth shut, is she?
I`m Jane Velez-Mitchell in for Nancy Grace.
What makes Casey Anthony tick? You be the judge. We have extraordinary video we`re playing for you tonight of her jailhouse confrontation with her mom and dad back in August where they asked her pointed questions about where little Caylee might be. And we also have some pointed questions from our viewers.
Mary in Illinois.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Jane.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Hey.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thanks for taking my call. I`ve been wondering, I`ve been watching this from the get-go, and she has always said when she was interrogated by police that the last she`s seen her kid was on June 9th. But the grandfather George keeps saying June 15th and I`m really surprised that nobody`s really talked about that.
Where -- what is the -- what is up with the dates? On.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I hear you. I hear you. And we have talked about it. But it`s I very good point.
Drew Petrimoulx, they were kind of busted when they said the last time that -- the last time Casey saw Caylee was on the 9th when a videotape emerged on the 15th.
DREW PETRIMOULX, REPORTER, WDBO RADIO: After that videotape, George Anthony said that he saw Casey and Caylee leaving the house on the 15th of June. So pretty much the story changed when that video came out establishing that June 9th was in fact not the last day that Caylee was seen.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: That`s right. Because Cindy took little Caylee to visit her father, which would be Caylee`s great-grandfather on Father`s Day June 15th. And there`s videotape of that interaction.
We have a lot more calls. But let`s play one more piece of tape before we get to those calls. They`re all humdingers. Listen to this.
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C. ANTHONY: You guys have given everything to the police. They`re not helping us, it`s obvious. We know their intentions. So I`m sorry. I`ve helped in every way that I possibly can since the day I got here.
G. ANTHONY: OK, well, let me.
C. ANTHONY: They didn`t even give me 24 hours to help them, the police, without putting me here. So it`s obvious for everybody`s intentions why. I know you guys want Caylee. I want Caylee more than anybody can understand but I can`t do anything. I can`t do anything from where I`m at.
G. ANTHONY: Number one or at least -- number one should be you and Caylee. That`s the way it should be. It shouldn`t be, Jose.
C. ANTHONY: Well, it`s (INAUDIBLE), Dad.
G. ANTHONY: . then you and then Caylee and everything else is falling in line. It`s -- you know, it has to be you two. You know, you and your daughter, has got to be the ones, has got to be focused on.
C. ANTHONY: Well, he`s focusing on Caylee and I. You guys are focusing on Caylee. I know I`m still part of your focus. But she`s your main focus and I understand that.
Dad, I know where everybody`s priorities lie. I knew that the day that I got here.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow. So much demesne. Let`s start with Leonard Padilla. She`s been helpful? This is the young woman who didn`t report her daughter missing for a month. And only really did that when her mother forced her into this situation by calling 911.
It`s just extraordinary that she thinks she`s done everything she could. She lied to investigators in leading them on a wild goose chase through universal studios, saying she worked there, when she didn`t.
LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, HELPED LOOK FOR CAYLEE ANTHONY: We didn`t know any of this at the time when we went back there, when we bailed her out. I, myself, Rob, Tracy, we all thought, the baby is alive. She`s tired of being over-parented. She`ll tell us.
The next day after we got her out, I sat down with her. It took me about - - 15 minutes to realize that I wasn`t going to get any further than anybody else had with this young lady. I didn`t know about the discussions she`d had with Allan or any of the other detectives.
And when I told her that I didn`t come 3,000 miles and leave my Chihuahua behind in order to put up with this BS, she says, get out of my house. She`s not going to talk to me like a cop.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Wow.
PADILLA: I got up and I walked up and I said, but let me tell you, Casey, before this is over I`m going to find Caylee one way or another, with or without your help.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Pat Brown, what`s also fascinating about that last clip, there seems to be a rivalry for attention between her and her daughter. Casey says, I know where your priorities are. In other words, she`s jealous of her own daughter.
Could that be used as a motive?
PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER, AUTHOR OF "KILLING FOR SPORT": Oh, absolutely, Jane. I think that`s one of the biggest problems all along. She didn`t want this child to take over her spotlight in the sun. And there`s another very interesting thing about appropriateness. A person as a psychopath does not understand how people should behave appropriately under certain circumstances.
So here she`s sitting here saying, this is the most upset I`ve ever been. Really? You want more upset like when your daughter disappeared and you didn`t know where your daughter was day after day? You weren`t more upset about that?
That`s a very inappropriate thing to say but she doesn`t even recognize she`s doing that.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Excellent point. Let`s listen to this clip.
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G. ANTHONY: I want to bring up this thing about -- about, you know, you being the boss. You`re the one who controls everything. You`re the one.
C. ANTHONY: You know, I -- Dad, please.
G. ANTHONY: Sweetie.
C. ANTHONY: I completely.
G. ANTHONY: I`m not, I`m not trying to get you upset.
C. ANTHONY: No. But I am upset now.
G. ANTHONY: Please.
C. ANTHONY: I`m completely upset. One, the media is going to have a freaking field day with this. I wasn`t even.
G. ANTHONY: No, no.
C. ANTHONY: I wasn`t even supposed to tape this. Let me speak for a second. Dad, I let everybody talk.
G. ANTHONY: OK.
C. ANTHONY: They`re not releasing it, well, I hope not. I`ll keep saying whatever I have to about the police so they don`t let it go.
G. ANTHONY: OK, here`s mom.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, she is right about one thing, the media is having a field day with this tape.
Let`s go to the phone lines. Jenny in Kentucky. Question or thought, ma`am?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, ma`am. I was wondering if they`ve ever checked to see if there was insurance on Caylee?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I think we`ve gotten that question before but it`s a good one. Nikki Pierce?
NIKKI PIERCE, REPORTER, WDBO RADIO: I believe they have checked. There is no insurance on Caylee that Casey could benefit from. It hasn`t really been a point that`s been talked about a lot by police in the investigation, no.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right. Let`s sneak in one more clip. These are just so amazing.
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CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY`S MOTHER: You`ll be fine once Caylee`s found.
C. ANTHONY: Mom, I understand that. Do you understand my position on this? You guys expect me to have a thousand answers and I have nothing. I`ve been here a month. Out of contact with everybody, except you guys on the rare occasion that I get to see you and my attorney.
Do you understand, what am I supposed to learn from that? What am I supposed to learn from that? The first week and a half, yes, I`ve tried to help you guys backtrack. Again, that`s all I could do was backtrack. I can`t backtrack on anything. A month, I`ve been removed from the situation. You don`t -- guys are not understanding my side on this and I`m sorry.
CINDY ANTHONY: No, I understand.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Natisha Lance, tell us about the parents and/or Lee seeking immunity.
NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, according to the parents` attorney, Brad Conway, he was wanting to seek immunity for George and Cindy. Now, we don`t know where that`s gotten at this point. However, he was trying to seek immunity saying that they have made some contradicting statements in the past but they wouldn`t be making anymore in the future but he wanted to ensure that they would be able to speak freely to investigators in the coming days.
Now so far as Lee Anthony is concerned, his case is a little bit different. According to his attorney, he is trying to get a subpoena for Lee Anthony. In which case, Lee would then be granted immunity.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. All right, let`s bring in the attorneys. Joey Jackson, in light of this videotape, any thoughts on the Anthonys seeking immunity?
JOEY JACKSON, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, you know, the issue will come up, Jane, whether or not they were accessories after the fact or what have you. I mean a lot is going to hinge upon what they knew and when they knew it. And certainly there doesn`t seem to be any evidence that suggests that they had anything to do with Casey`s disappearance -- I`m sorry, Caylee`s disappearance.
But the issue will be, it -- did they come into that knowledge at any point? And if they did, did they take steps to conceal, hinder the prosecution or do anything else?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Penny, the bottom line is they seem suspicious of their daughter`s explanations and they want the truth from her.
JACKSON: No doubt. Absolutely. And you know what, the bottom line is that they -- we need to get to the truth in this manner. And you know, if they want to speak freely and they`re going to do things, they need the immunity to do it and not accept any, you know, prosecution.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The Collier County Sheriff`s Office and the FBI have strengthened their search for little 6-year-old Adji, who`s been missing since Saturday afternoon.
A 17-person FBI child abduction rapid deployment team is tracking down leads in the search for Adji with over 300 officers searching everywhere for any sign of him or evidence he was abducted.
Investigators have since expanded the search radius an additional four miles, while authorities are asking the public to help in the search for Adji by passing out fliers in their own communities.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can`t give up hope. There`s been many, many times where children have disappeared into the wilderness and have been found many days later. Obviously, the cold is a concern. But we`re just concentrating our efforts as best as we can to find this young man.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m Jane Valez-Mitchell in for Nancy Grace.
Another shocking story out of Florida. The increasingly desperate search for a little boy who was playing outside of his grandma`s house when he mysteriously disappeared last Saturday. His friend who were playing with him said they saw absolutely nothing. He just vanished.
For more on this truly heart wrenching case let`s go straight out to Marisa Brahney, reporter with CNN affiliate, WBBH TV in Ft. Myers, Florida.
Marisa, what is the very latest tonight?
MARISA BRAHNEY, REPORTER, WBBH, COVERING STORY: Well, Jane, right now, the search continues. And the investigations continue. And they are parallel. As you said, investigators are both looking at the possibility that this little boy may have been abducted. At the same time they are searching the entire area surrounding his neighborhood.
I spoke with the lead investigators today on the case. They tell me they`ve searched the immediate area around this neighborhood up to five times now. They have dogs out at all hours of the day and night. They have people on ATVs, on foot. They also searched a nearby lake yesterday.
I actually went out with some of the investors doing that. So they are really looking at every possibility. They are receiving tips, but right now nothing viable.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: We`re delighted to have Lieutenant Tom Smith from the Special Crimes Bureau of the Collier County Sheriff`s Office with us on the phone.
A phenomenal search, Lieutenant. More than 300 officers searching for this boy. They are bloodhounds, as you just heard, choppers, horses, and the grid keeps expanding.
How many miles, square miles, from the area he disappeared have you searched now? And what conclusion have you drawn?
LT. TOM SMITH, SPECIAL CRIMES BUREAU, COLLIER COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE: Well, we`ve pretty much searched out to about 12-mile radius -- I`m sorry, 12 square miles around the home. But I can tell you that that`s intensive search region and actually searching the community we`ve done that in its entirety.
We`ve been north to south, east and west, covered all of the farm lands and fields and roads and access roads.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: So what`s the theory now?
SMITH: And it`s just been a tremendous effort. Well, you know, obviously, at the absence of any evidence of where Adji is in the woods, then, you know, our efforts have to continually focus looking for him in the woods, in the fields but also searching for the possibility of him disappearing at the hands of someone.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Has the family been cleared?
SMITH: Yes, the family has been cleared. They`re very cooperative. And you know our hearts and prayers go out to them, obviously. You know, this whole community is now searching for our son, Adji.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Now, I want to ask Pat Brown about, really, it`s -- sad to say but with every passing hour and every passing day, statistically the chance of this little child still being alive decreases.
Tell us about that.
BROWN: Statistically, unfortunately, it`s very lousy. Obviously, if he`s out wandering around by himself in the cold, anything could happen to him. He could fall into water. He could drown. All of these things, you know, could upon him so that`s always dangerous, every minute is dangerous.
If he`s been abducted by a child predator, usually they don`t keep the children alive more than an hour. So that`s always terrible so -- but you don`t know that`s true yet so I think that police are doing a wonderful thing in that they have -- they were looking at more than one avenue of investigation. Make sure they cover everything to give them the best chance possible.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: You know, it`s really sad and sick, Pat Brown, is that there are 22 sex offenders living in this area. It -- makes me so angry.
I want to bring in the attorneys, Penny Douglass Furr, Joey Jackson. Unfortunately, this case, no car that they`ve seen. No truck. No cell phone to check the pings of. No suspect description. No witness of any sorts. They can`t even issue an AMBER Alert, no car.
So Penny, what do they do in terms of assuming this was an abduction, which we don`t know for sure, but it`s looking like that? Where do they -- where do they go next?
PENNY DOUGLASS FURR, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: They`re going to have to track down those 22 sexual predators. They need to go into their homes. They need to ask permission to search. They can get all of that if they`ve been on convicted, they`re on probation or parole. They can get that permission. I would be in their homes and their yards searching.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: All right, Dr. Keri Peterson, this child on top of everything else is developmentally disabled. He`s 6, but he has the functioning of a 2-year-old. How would that impact his ability to survive out there and communicate?
DR. KERI PETERSON, INTERNAL MEDICINE, LENOX HILL HOSPITAL: It`ll have a huge impact on his ability to -- survive. Being that he`s nonverbal he`s really not able to communicate to others what his needs are, and his ability to acquire shelter, food, and water will all compromise his ability to survive.
In addition, he`s really at risk for hypothermia at night. The temperatures in Florida are getting really cold in the 40s and 50s.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: This is.
PETERSON: . and he was last seen in a t-shirt.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Oh yes. A t-shirt and shorts, you`re absolutely right. This is heartbreaking.
I want to point out. There is a reward that keeps on growing $11,000 plus for information leading to this child. And tomorrow citizens can help, the Collier Country Sheriff`s Office is asking for volunteers from 9:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. and you go to the community park there in Immokalee and you can help find this child, God-willing.
Lyn, Arkansas, your question or thought, ma`am?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, ma`am. I know that they went back and checked everybody`s houses and everything but I was wondering if they checked the vehicles, everybody trunk?
VELEZ-MITCHELL: Excellent question, Lt. Tom Smith, what about cars?
SMITH: You know what, God bless all the suggestions and I`m proud to say that we`ve checked the sex offenders` homes. We`ve been in their homes. We`ve interviewed them all. We`ve been in the trunks of cars. In and out of community. We`ve done neighborhood canvasses and road checks.
And so we`ve done a lot of these things, and you know, all the frustrations that you`re mentioning, you know, has bred in all of these investigators. Just more and more determined to find Adji.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: It is a heartbreaker. Our hearts go out to this family. We pray that somehow there is a break in this case. Look at this child. If you live in that area in Florida put it in your head and say, is there anything that I know that might be helpful? A car. A person seen with this child. Give authorities a call.
Now tonight, "CNN HEROES."
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I`m Susan Sarandon and my hero fights for the survival and resettlement of refugees.
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SARANDON: She`s dedicated her whole life to saving these refugees that have fallen through the cracks with Mapendo.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: And now a look back at the stories making the rest of the headlines this week.
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Bombshell tonight.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stunning developments in the case of 2-year-old Florida toddler, Caylee Anthony. Secret video allegedly showing two private investigators at the remains` location back in November had just been released.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Casey is shown with a metal rod probing the ground in about general area where Caylee`s body was eventually found.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Private Investigator Jim Hoover says that Dominic Casey told him that Caylee was dead and they were going to find her.
GRACE: Is this a direct link between little Caylee`s body and the tot mom?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hundreds of officers, five days of searching, little information and still no Adji.
GRACE: Tot mom brother Lee Anthony seeking criminal immunity.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A deputy connected with the Caylee Anthony case has been reassigned off the streets pending the outcome of an internal investigation.
C. ANTHONY: Do you understand how I feel?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The Orange County Sheriff`s Office has just released more jailhouse video of tot mom Casey Anthony visiting with parents George and Cindy.
GRACE: U.S. Airways Airbus packed with nearly 200 passengers slams into the freezing Hudson River.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was smoke. There was fire.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And the plane shook a bit.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How did you get out?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just luck of God, man. I don`t know.
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VELEZ-MITCHELL: Tonight, let`s stop to remember Army Specialist Ronald Schmidt, only 18 from Newton, Kansas, killed in Iraq. Enlisting straight from high school, awarded the Bronze Star, Iraqi campaign medal and Overseas Service Bar.
He loved wrestling, trail riding the Colorado Mountains and working on his car. He leaves behind grieving mom Andrea, Uncle Paul and two brothers.
Ronald Schmidt, an American hero.
Thanks to all of our guests for their insights and thanks to you at home for tracking these very important cases with us.
Nancy Grace back tomorrow tonight 8:00 p.m. sharp Eastern, and be sure to tune in right here at 7:00 p.m. Eastern for "ISSUES" with me, Jane Velez- Mitchell. Meantime, have a happy and a safe evening.
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