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Nancy Grace
Angry Anthony Family Jailhouse Confrontation on Tape
Aired February 16, 2009 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight in the desperate search for a beautiful 2-year-old Florida girl, Caylee. Six months of searching culminates when skeletal remains found in a heavily wooded area just 15 houses from the Anthony home confirmed to be Caylee, manner of death homicide, the little girl`s remains completely skeletonized. This after a utility meter reader stumbles on a garbage bag containing a tiny human skeleton, including a skull covered in light-colored hair. The killer duct tapes the child`s mouth, then finishes off by placing a child`s heart- shaped sticker over the duct tape, little Caylee`s tiny skeleton double- bagged like she`s trash.
Bombshell. The angry confrontation between tot mom Casey Anthony and grandparents George and Cindy all caught on videotape. Tonight, we have obtained the entire jailhouse visit.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CINDY ANTHONY, CAYLEE`S GRANDMOTHER: Good morning.
GEORGE ANTHONY, CAYLEE`S GRANDFATHER: Good morning, beautiful. I love you.
CASEY ANTHONY, CAYLEE`S MOTHER: Hi. I love you, too. Why is she crying already?
GEORGE ANTHONY: Because we haven`t seen you.
CASEY ANTHONY: I know.
GEORGE ANTHONY: So how`s your day starting out so far?
CASEY ANTHONY: I was asleep, so...
GEORGE ANTHONY: Oh?
CASEY ANTHONY: It`s all right. I woke up at 5:00, stayed up for about an hour and then went back to bed for a little bit. So my eyes are red. I`m tired.
GEORGE ANTHONY: OK. So what else is going on with you?
CASEY ANTHONY: Nothing. The usual. Just, I guess, waiting around. Those are new shirts. I like those.
GEORGE ANTHONY: Yes, those are -- the Never Lose Hope Foundation did these for us, so...
CASEY ANTHONY: I like those a lot. Those are really nice.
GEORGE ANTHONY: Yes, those are really sweet, really, really sweet. Can you read what they say?
CASEY ANTHONY: "Fly home baby," and I don`t see the bottom.
GEORGE ANTHONY: It says, "Fly home baby, we miss you."
CASEY ANTHONY: Those are nice shirts. I like those.
GEORGE ANTHONY: Well, let me have you speak to Mom, OK? Now, she`s right here. She`s pulling at the phone. Hold on.
CASEY ANTHONY: All right.
CINDY ANTHONY: Hi, sweetie.
CASEY ANTHONY: Hi, Mom. Oh! I only lasted a minute. How are you feeling?
CINDY ANTHONY: Not -- I`m not doing well, Casey, none of us. Lee`s been sick. Dad`s -- Dad`s blown up at the media.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes, I heard.
CINDY ANTHONY: Well, someone just said that Caylee was dead this morning, that she drowned in the pool. That`s the newest story out there.
CASEY ANTHONY: Surprise, surprise.
CINDY ANTHONY: It`s very hard.
CASEY ANTHONY: Well, yes. Trust me, I know that. Someone just sent me some of the stuff that`s been on line, comments that people have been leaving off of certain articles, I guess, that have been written. And it was very upsetting last night to see that.
CINDY ANTHONY: Well, you know, it`s terrible, Casey, to get hate mail and threatening letters.
CASEY ANTHONY: Oh, I haven`t gotten anything like that, thankfully. All of the letters that I`ve gotten have been positive. Even the letter that she had attached was still very positive. Everyone`s certain that she`s OK, offering help. A couple of people have said that they`ve called and talked to Dad or have left him messages, so...
CINDY ANTHONY: We need to -- we need to have something to go on.
CINDY ANTHONY: Mom, I don`t have anything! I`m sorry. I`ve been here a month. I`ve been here a month today. Do you understand how I feel? I mean, do you really understand how I feel in this? I`m completely, completely out of the loop with everything. The only information I get is when I see my attorney. That`s it.
CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, (INAUDIBLE)
CASEY ANTHONY: Outside of that, I have nothing to go on. Every day, I just sit here and wait and wonder, wonder if something`s going on, wonder -- well, wondering if there`s something new.
CINDY ANTHONY: Did they ask you about which one of us you`d want to meet with?
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes, I wanted to see Dad. I mean, I want to see everybody, but I had to choose and I wanted to see Dad.
CINDY ANTHONY: All right. Well, then, here, talk to your dad.
GEORGE ANTHONY: Hey, sweetheart.
CASEY ANTHONY: Hey.
GEORGE ANTHONY: Hey, listen, I want you to know you are the boss for this whole thing, OK?
CASEY ANTHONY: Well, no, I`m not anymore, Dad. I haven`t been since I got here.
GEORGE ANTHONY: Oh, yes -- oh, yes, you are. You are the -- think of this for a second...
CASEY ANTHONY: Dad...
(CROSSTALK)
GEORGE ANTHONY: Listen -- no, no. Just listen to me just for one moment.
CASEY ANTHONY: I`ve been thinking about this.
GEORGE ANTHONY: OK, listen to me for one second, OK? Listen to me. Think of you owning this conglomerate, this huge business. Jose is one of your employees. So is the sheriff`s department. So`s the FBI. So am I. So is Lee. So is Mom. You know, we`re all working with you. And if for some reason, something`s not being said or being done, you can make a change. You`re the one that can say...
CASEY ANTHONY: Dad, I`ve told Jose -- no, I`ve given him the information to give you guys. We`ve given the information. You guys have given everything to the police. They`re not helping us. It`s obvious. We know their intentions. So I`m sorry. I`ve helped in every way that I possibly can since the day I got here.
GEORGE ANTHONY: OK, well...
CASEY ANTHONY: They didn`t even give me 24 hours to help them, the police, without putting me here. So it`s obvious where everybody`s intentions lie. I know you guys want Caylee. I want Caylee more than -- than anybody can understand, but I can`t do anything. I can`t do anything from where I`m at.
GEORGE ANTHONY: OK, let me ask you this,. If I can make some arrangements just to meet with you just one on one, just you and I, or Lee or Mom, would you be open to that? Because I can do it within a matter of just a few hours.
CASEY ANTHONY: Dad, this was already discussed and I already said yes.
GEORGE ANTHONY: OK.
CASEY ANTHONY: This was something that we had already discussed. Supposedly, it was supposed to have already happened.
GEORGE ANTHONY: Well, there`s been some...
CASEY ANTHONY: I understand there`s...
(CROSSTALK)
GEORGE ANTHONY: ... things have happened to change that. There`s nothing been on my part to change that, or Mom`s part or your brother`s part, OK?
CASEY ANTHONY: No, I understand that. It`s not you guys.
GEORGE ANTHONY: I mean, I told these guys -- I told these guys within an hour, I can be ready. I want to hug you.
CASEY ANTHONY: Well, there`s...
GEORGE ANTHONY: I want to talk to you, just you and I, you know?
CASEY ANTHONY: Jose is making sure that I`m well aware of everything that`s going on. He`s keeping me completely updated on stuff, which I in every way appreciate because...
GEORGE ANTHONY: OK, I just want -- I just want you...
CASEY ANTHONY: ... then -- that`s all I`ve had...
GEORGE ANTHONY: I just want you to realize...
CASEY ANTHONY: ... to go off of with stuff.
GEORGE ANTHONY: I want you to realize something. Number 1, or at least number 1.1 and number 1 should be you and Caylee. That`s the way it should be. It shouldn`t be...
CASEY ANTHONY: Well, explain that.
GEORGE ANTHONY: ... Jose, then you, then Caylee, and everything else is falling in line. It`s -- you know, it has to be -- it has to be you two, you know, you and your daughter that has got to be the ones that`s got to be focused on here.
CASEY ANTHONY: Well, he`s focusing on Caylee and I. You guys are focusing on Caylee. I know I`m still part of your focus, but she`s your main focus, and I understand that. Dad, I know where everybody`s priorities lie. I knew that the day that I got here.
GEORGE ANTHONY: Well, you know, just -- then again, I want to bring up this thing about -- about, you know, you being the boss. You`re the one that can control everything. You`re the one that...
CASEY ANTHONY: No, I -- Dad -- please!
GEORGE ANTHONY: Sweetie, OK...
CASEY ANTHONY: I`m completely...
GEORGE ANTHONY: I`m not trying to get you upset. I`m trying to talk to you.
CASEY ANTHONY: No, but I am upset now. I`m completely upset. One, the media`s going to have a frickin` field day with this.
GEORGE ANTHONY: No, they`re not.
CASEY ANTHONY: I wasn`t even supposed to take this.
GEORGE ANTHONY: Listen, they are...
CASEY ANTHONY: Let me speak for a second! Dad...
GEORGE ANTHONY: Yes (INAUDIBLE)
CASEY ANTHONY: ... I let everybody talk.
GEORGE ANTHONY: OK.
CASEY ANTHONY: They`re not releasing it? Well, I hope not. I`ll keep...
GEORGE ANTHONY: OK.
CASEY ANTHONY: ... saying whatever I have to about the police...
GEORGE ANTHONY: OK. Here`s Mom.
CASEY ANTHONY: ... so they...
GEORGE ANTHONY: Hold on one second.
CASEY ANTHONY: ... don`t let it go. Can someone let me -- come on!
CINDY ANTHONY: Casey, hold on, sweetheart. Settle down.
CASEY ANTHONY: Nobody`s letting me speak! You want me to talk, the...
CINDY ANTHONY: All right, I`ll listen to you.
CASEY ANTHONY: ... give me three seconds to say something!
CINDY ANTHONY: Go, sweetheart.
CASEY ANTHONY: I`m not in control over any of this because I don`t know what the hell`s going on. I don`t know what`s going on. My entire life has been taken from me! Everything has been taken from me! You don`t understand. Everybody wants me to have answers. I don`t have any answers because I don`t know what`s going on. I have no one to talk to except Jose when he comes. He`s the only person that I can talk to right now because - - I can`t even say anything to you guys besides telling you that I love you, I want Caylee, things like that, and that`s not even getting put on the air, which it should be. It`s everything else, everything that I`m not saying.
That`s why I haven`t been calling. That`s why I haven`t been taking calls because him and I said that we weren`t going to do that because I`m trying to make sure that I`m not going to give anybody anything else to throw against me. Even with me giving them nothing, they`re still doing it, so...
CINDY ANTHONY: Well, everything...
CASEY ANTHONY: ... how am I...
BREMNER: ... is going to go away with you -- you`ll be fine once Caylee`s found.
CASEY ANTHONY: Mom, I understand that. But you do understand my position on this? You guys expect me to have a thousand answers, and I have nothing. I`ve been here a month, out of contact with everybody, except you guys on the rare occasion that I get to see you, and my attorney.
Do you understand? What am I supposed to learn from that? What am I supposed to learn from that? The first week-and-a-half, yes, I tried to help you guys backtrack. Again, that`s all I could do was backtrack. I can`t backtrack on anything. I`ve been removed from the situation. You don`t -- you guys are not understanding my side on this, and I`m sorry.
CINDY ANTHONY: No, I understand.
CASEY ANTHONY: No, you don`t because you`re still asking me if there`s anything that I can tell you that`s going to help, that I`m the one that can do this. I can`t. The opportunity was there that I probably could have helped. I`m trying. I was trying. There`s nothing more that I can say or do until I`m home. And even then, I don`t know what I can do from that point. But I can at least do something other than sit on my butt all day and read or look up stuff for my case because that`s -- that has to be my focus right now. That has to be my focus because it`s the only thing that I can focus on.
CINDY ANTHONY: Our focus has to be finding Caylee.
CASEY ANTHONY: Mom, if that`s my focus, which it is, I can`t do anything from here. I don`t have access to the Internet. I can`t make phone calls.
CINDY ANTHONY: Well, what`s Zenaida (INAUDIBLE)
CASEY ANTHONY: I can`t go anywhere. I`ve already told you, Mom! I told you everything.
CINDY ANTHONY: I`ve thought about everything that you told me over the last month.
CASEY ANTHONY: Well, you`ve thought about stuff and you`ve done what you can. I`m sorry, that`s all I can do from the only knowledge that I have.
CINDY ANTHONY: I was in Lake County two days ago.
CASEY ANTHONY: OK.
CINDY ANTHONY: Is there anything there?
CASEY ANTHONY: Mom! I`m sorry. I love you guys. I miss you...
CINDY ANTHONY: All right, sweetheart. Here`s Dad. Hold on.
CASEY ANTHONY: No, I`m going to hang up and just walk away right now because...
(CROSSTALK)
CINDY ANTHONY: Please don`t.
CASEY ANTHONY: I`m frustrated and I`m angry, and I don`t want to be angry. This is the first time I`ve truly, truly been angry this entire time. But I`m so beyond frustrated with all of this that I can`t even swallow right now, it hurts.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Next, tot mom Casey Anthony takes on her own parents, George and Cindy, during a jailhouse visit, and it`s all caught on tape.
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GRACE: In a tense confrontation caught on tape, tot mom Casey Anthony blows up at her parents, George and Cindy, dodging question after question as they try desperately to dig for answers. We hear the tot mom`s pity party, her anger at police and her own family, even angry at the media, admitting to watching herself on TV right here.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CASEY ANTHONY: I am just as removed from the situation as somebody who has no clue what`s going on. At least even random people that we`ve never met have more of an outlook on this than I do right now. It`s really sad. It`s really, really sad that I literally have nothing right now. Nothing.
CINDY ANTHONY: Well, none of us have anything right now, Casey.
CASEY ANTHONY: But you guys have each other. You`re sitting next to Dad. You still have Lee. You have access to our community, to our family and friends, to our house. You`re taking for granted the fact that I have no one to comfort me but myself and the occasional visit, which has to be business for the sake of finding Caylee. So yes, I may look like I`m in charge. Wrong. I`m completely pushed away from everything.
CINDY ANTHONY: No.
CASEY ANTHONY: Everything`s so...
CINDY ANTHONY: All he`s telling you is that you can tell -- they have to honor your wishes when you say something, is all Dad`s trying to tell you. Jose has to honor...
CASEY ANTHONY: And he has been, Mom.
CINDY ANTHONY: OK.
CASEY ANTHONY: He has been with everything. Everything.
CINDY ANTHONY: Well, you know he`s in New York now for a couple days.
CASEY ANTHONY: He`s doing stuff for business for me.
CINDY ANTHONY: I know. I know.
CASEY ANTHONY: Well, Mom, you`re not telling me anything that I don`t know. Please. I don`t want to get frustrated or upset with you, but...
CINDY ANTHONY: Well, I just -- in his absence, Dominic`s a good person if you want to talk to anybody.
CASEY ANTHONY: Mom, I`ve -- thank you. I`ve already talked to everybody. I know who I`m allowed to talk to, who I`m not allowed to talk to, who I can see, who I can`t see, who`s going to see me, who`s not going to see me.
CINDY ANTHONY: OK.
CASEY ANTHONY: We`ve arranged all of this. It`s already been set up. Again, he`s the one person that`s keeping me in the loop because he`s the only person that can. And he`s making sure that he`s doing that in every way possible.
CINDY ANTHONY: Well, I just hope he`s telling you honestly what you`re up against.
CASEY ANTHONY: Mom, I know what I`m honestly up against. You guys understand what I`m honestly up again. And with keeping me here, you`re not helping me help myself.
CINDY ANTHONY: Well...
CASEY ANTHONY: I`m sorry to say that. Huh?
CINDY ANTHONY: We don`t have the means to get you out anyway, sweetheart. We don`t.
CASEY ANTHONY: I understand that, but the opportunity was there and it wasn`t taken advantage of and...
CINDY ANTHONY: We didn`t have an opportunity. I don`t know where you`re hearing that.
CASEY ANTHONY: Just give Dad the phone, please. I`m sorry. I don`t want to get frustrated. Just give Dad the phone.
GEORGE ANTHONY: Hi, sweetie.
CASEY ANTHONY: This is seriously the first time that I`ve been angry, that I have been as frustrated to where I -- I can`t even think straight at this moment, throughout this entire thing. I was pissed off that day in the police station. I was mad when all of that happened, but I tried to look at things objectively. And this entire time, I haven`t sat in my room for the entire month and been mad, not once, not one time.
But right now, this is the most agitated and frustrated that I`ve been. Even when I`ve sat with Jose and I watched that episode of NANCY GRACE and stuff that was being said about Mom and being said about me and him and everybody else and stuff that I`ve heard. It`s frustrated me, but I`ve let it go. Right now, I`m so hurt by everything, I don`t even know what to say. And I hate to say that.
GEORGE ANTHONY: Well, I`m not trying to upset you, and neither is Mom. We`re not trying to. And if we are, I`m sorry for that.
CASEY ANTHONY: I know that`s not your intention. But you have to understand where I`m coming from in this. And obviously, none of you are, by still expecting me a month literally out of the loop to have some sort of new insight on stuff? I mean, really?
GEORGE ANTHONY: OK, I realize this is really hard for you to talk about, especially...
CASEY ANTHONY: Because I can`t do anything! Because I`ve done everything. I`ve said everything. I`ve thought about everything. That`s all I can do is sit and think every day, and that`s what I`ve done. Any information that I`ve given has been passed on. I know that.
GEORGE ANTHONY: OK. You know, it`s just hard, I know for you. It`s hard for us because none of us have ever been through any of this kind of stuff before. None of us. You know?
CASEY ANTHONY: Well, obviously not. And we need to stick together in this, and it`s hard for us to, at this point.
GEORGE ANTHONY: Well, we are sticking together. We are.
CASEY ANTHONY: Well, for Mom to say that you guys have nothing, what I told her, you guys still all have each other to lean on. I don`t have anybody. I have myself and the occasions that I can see my attorneys, who are trying to do whatever they can for myself and for Caylee. So you guys at least have a crutch or multiple crutches throughout the community with everybody.
GEORGE ANTHONY: Well, and even that is waning at the moment, believe me. Even your Mom and I are having our issues every single day. So just realize it`s -- it`s...
CASEY ANTHONY: Dad, I know it`s going to take a toll on everybody. But understand, again, where I`m coming from in this. You have to see everybody`s side. I`ve tried -- I`ve looked at everybody`s side about this. I`ve been praying every single day for insight into everybody`s thoughts and everybody`s feelings, so I know where you stand and where you`re coming from. And I know where you`re sitting right now, and Mom and Lee and Joe Schmo walking down the block that`s seen this every day on the media for the last month.
I can understand everybody else`s side in this, but the worst part is, is that nobody can see my side. And I have to keep my mouth shut. I have to keep my mouth shut about how I feel and with everything else because all I need to do is give the media more stuff, and the detectives and whoever else, to throw back in my face when this goes to trial.
GEORGE ANTHONY: Well, all I know is I`m trying to do everything I can to get a chance to see you, you know, just you and I.
CASEY ANTHONY: I know.
GEORGE ANTHONY: I mean, I`m trying, and so is, you know, your brother, and I know your mom would, you know, like to do that so...
CASEY ANTHONY: I know that. And when I had that choice and they told me that they were initially setting it up with Lee -- God, I would do anything to see any of you right now.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: When we come back, more of the stunning jailhouse videotape and the tough decision tot mom Casey Anthony says she has to make behind bars.
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GRACE: The strain on the Anthony family comes to light during a jailhouse visit caught on tape. But once again, tot mom Casey Anthony makes it all about herself and the tough decisions she says she`s making behind bars.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CASEY ANTHONY: And I wanted to see Lee and I want to talk to Lee, but I knew most of that would be an interrogation with him. He`d have a whole list of questions that he`d ask me. With Mom...
GEORGE ANTHONY: Honestly -- honestly, no. Honestly no. He thinks he really doesn`t.
CASEY ANTHONY: Well, that`s how it`s been, Dad. I`m just thinking of how it`s been with everything. With Mom -- Mom would dominate a lot of the conversation, which is how it`s been. I mean, you and I, we`ve been separated for a while. And we were just -- I want to see all of you, but I wanted to see the one person that I`ve been so far disconnected from the longest, and that`s been you.
GEORGE ANTHONY: I`m thankful for that. Thank you.
CASEY ANTHONY: It was hard for me to make my choice, and I sat there for a half hour with Jose, trying to think about this. And he told me it`s up to me who I wanted to see, how I wanted to do this, how I wanted to figure it out. And it was hard because I don`t want to have to choose between the three of you, you know, who I want to see or talk to. But I made a choice and I`m going to stand behind that.
GEORGE ANTHONY: Well, that`s good. I`m glad you made that choice, you know, on your own. Thank you so much. I appreciate that. Thank you. I know it`s a tough decision for you. I know that.
CASEY ANTHONY: Well, everything`s a tough decision just because I`m so limited on the decisions that I can actually make now.
GEORGE ANTHONY: Well, let me see if I can handle it a different way to get in to see you even sooner. Would that be OK with you?
CASEY ANTHONY: Do what you have to do. I mean, I`m not obviously going anywhere right now. So I`m here. I`m biding my time, so...
GEORGE ANTHONY: OK. Well, you know, you could always -- just -- here`s a thought for you just a second. The people that are with you right now inside where you`re at, you can expedite this very quickly, if you want to, OK?
CASEY ANTHONY: How?
GEORGE ANTHONY: Just mention to the people that are there with you, you know the corrections people, you know, that, Hey, I want to see my dad, and I want to see my dad now. And they can expedite that through Mr. Berry (ph) and stuff like that. They can do everything within just a matter of hours for you. They really can.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes. I tried that. Negative. There`s only so much that they can do. I can make phone calls. I can take these visits. There`s only so much that I can actually do. It`s going to have to come from the outside, from someone else. I can`t -- I`ve asked those questions. I`ve tried that already. I`ve been asking every question that I can possibly think of.
GEORGE ANTHONY: OK. Well, I`ll do what I -- I`m going to do this on my own. I`m going to make sure that you and I can get together here just very quickly, OK?
CASEY ANTHONY: OK.
GEORGE ANTHONY: I`m going to do that. I really am.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: When we come back: It`s all about the tot mom as she repeatedly complains to her parents during a jailhouse visit.
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GRACE: Tot mom Casey Anthony still blaming the so-called nanny Zenaida Gonzalez for the kidnap of Caylee. It`s all caught on tape in a stunning jailhouse video. During a visit with her parents, the tot mom whines, she`s isolated, doing everything she can to get through the day, sleeping, eating, reading, lounging in her private jail cell.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CASEY ANTHONY, MOTHER OF CAYLEE ANTHONY: I spent the day almost completely by myself with my head under the covers. I read my bible almost the entire day. I was miserable. Just completely and utterly miserable. Just like I have been the entire time.
That was the first time outside of our visit that I really showed any emotion and I was open and I didn`t care just because I couldn`t hold anything back, I broke down. It was the first time that I truly, truly broke down, and it hurt and I`m still recovering from that.
Hearing about the fact that mom was making chili and there`s probably a bunch of people at the house.
GEORGE ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY`S FATHER: No, there wasn`t. There was your brother and I and your mom and Mallory came over a little bit afterwards. So I mean, that`s -- that was it. So whatever else you heard, that was totally wrong.
CASEY ANTHONY: I was just told that mom was making food and I`m just going off what people are telling me, what they were relating from the media. So I was just speculating myself.
G. ANTHONY: Well, Mom made some of her great chili, we had some friends come over, you know, and it was just us. There was no one else. There was -- I`m sorry, there was a young guy who just called. He was alone and just wanted to have a little bit of family, came over, we just talked for about an hour. We never met the man before.
He was alone. So we opened our hearts to him just to come in and talk. That was something that he needed and truth, I think we needed also.
CASEY ANTHONY: The bible says to love thy neighbor.
G. ANTHONY: Yes.
CASEY ANTHONY: To share the things that you have, and to give unto others so you did exactly what you should do. And by all means, I know that meant more to him than any of you guys could possibly imagine.
G. ANTHONY: It certainly is. I mean -- and he was a really nice guy. He`s -- it was really nice to talk to him and get a chance to know him a little bit.
So how about you? Are you eating and stuff? Have you had a chance to enjoy more sandwiches and stuff?
CASEY ANTHONY: I`m eating so they`ll leave me alone. It`s a little bit more than that. But yes, I`m eating just so I`m not being bothered with, are you eating, because if I don`t eat then they`ll say something. I`m sleeping or trying to go to sleep when I can. So I`m not getting bothered about that. I`m just trying to do whatever I can do so I`m not being stared at all day every day. So they`re not worrying about me, too.
G. ANTHONY: Well, just to let you know, the area that you`re in, there`s not too many people that have an opportunity to stay where you`re at. So realize that`s -- you`re sort of what they consider a.
CASEY ANTHONY: No, I`m not really. Trust me.
G. ANTHONY: Well, there`s.
CASEY ANTHONY: There`s other people in similar situations to myself that aren`t the focus of the media, but that are under a similar custody that are here. There are other people. I know a lot about all of us, surprisingly now.
G. ANTHONY: OK. Well.
CASEY ANTHONY: I didn`t want to upset mom, but I mean I -- for once, I have let you guys talk, I have wanted to hear everything you guys have had to say and more, but at this point, I can only hold so much back now and hold so much in and not show my little bit of frustration with stuff because you both have been very good about not doing that and staying calm.
G. ANTHONY: I know. I`m very thankful you took the time to talk to us today. When we first got here, I thought maybe we might be turned away but you talked to us and I`m glad I got a chance to see you.
CASEY ANTHONY: I`m glad I got a chance to see you guys, too, even if it`s only like this. I mean to talk to you at all, I`m praying that it doesn`t go out on the media, because some of it has, some of it hasn`t because they`re picking and choosing.
G. ANTHONY: No, the only stuff that went out is when you talked to Lee. And that`s been a couple of weeks ago. Nothing`s been said about mom.
CASEY ANTHONY: Because I haven`t, I haven`t talked.
G. ANTHONY: Just, you know, just realize that everything that we have talked to you about is staying where it`s staying, it`s not going out anywhere else.
CASEY ANTHONY: Well, these are the conversations when -- you know, I am an emotional wreck, which is fine. I don`t want anybody to see this stuff. I`d rather it be between us because it is personal so we can keep things personal. So it doesn`t feel like it`s just another business transaction, like with other stuff.
G. ANTHONY: Absolutely.
CASEY ANTHONY: I don`t want to upset mom, I just -- I`m running low on steam, too. If it wasn`t for the fact that I`m sitting by myself all day, sleeping, you know, I`d probably be -- I`m getting sick right now. I can feel it. I felt it when I got up, my eyes were still red. It wasn`t from sleeping. And I`m getting a cold.
G. ANTHONY: Hold on. Your mom wants to talk to you one second. Hold on.
CASEY ANTHONY: Go ahead. Hey.
CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY`S MOTHER: Hey.
CASEY ANTHONY: I`m sorry I upset you. I didn`t want to upset you. I was telling Dad that. That wasn`t my intention. I`ve let everybody talk. I haven`t gotten to say anything, I haven`t wanted to say anything. I`ve been wanted to be frustrated or show that, but I can`t hold that in all the time. It`s getting harder.
CINDY ANTHONY: I know.
CASEY ANTHONY: I know each day is getting harder on everybody.
CINDY ANTHONY: You don`t know, Casey, how hard it is.
CASEY ANTHONY: No, I don`t know. Being the one that is secluded.
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CINDY ANTHONY: You know what, that`s actually a good thing because if you were out here.
CASEY ANTHONY: It`s a good thing because I have put myself away from all of that, I haven`t watched the media. I don`t really want to hear anything.
CINDY ANTHONY: No, I know. And you don`t -- it`s just obscene everything that`s going on out there.
CASEY ANTHONY: It`s obscene, the stuff that people are saying, but you know what? Again, they`re ignorant and we have to look at it like that. I`m trying to look at things objectively and stay as calm as I can about that stuff especially the things that I`m hearing.
I know that the most negative stuff that`s being said, and it`s sickening, it`s disgusting, and people really need to get a life and if they have nothing positive to say, they need to shut up. But it`s not going to happen, life is not fair, people aren`t always going to be nice. And they`re not going to look at things from other people`s perspectives. It`s sad, it`s unfortunate, they`re going to judge people, that they`re going to pass judgments about something that they don`t know.
Stuff that`s being said is being completely fabricated and twisted and everything else, and it`s ridiculous. But you know what, mom? Again, it`s going to blow over. I`m not going to give the media anything when I get out of here. It sucks for them because I`ve nothing to say.
All I want is my kid back and to be back with my family. That`s all I want. That`s all I`m asking. And I`m not going to ask any of them for it because they`re not going to give that to me. They`re not. I`ll do whatever the hell I have to get my family back together. That`s it. That`s all I want to do.
CINDY ANTHONY: Do you still think she`s OK?
CASEY ANTHONY: I know in my heart, I know in my gut, she`s all right, I can feel it. Every day that gets stronger. And I still know that she`s come home. I can still feel that that she`s coming home.
CINDY ANTHONY: Do you think she`s going to change her mind and let her -- what can I say to her on the air? Because I can get one person to let me say what I need to say or what you want me to say to Zanny. What do you want me to tell her that`s going to make her bring her back?
CASEY ANTHONY: Just tell her that we forgive her. That all we want is our Caylee. That`s it.
CINDY ANTHONY: I said that yesterday.
CASEY ANTHONY: Well, mom, that`s -- again, that`s all I can think of. That`s all I can say because that`s all I would say is that I forgive whoever has her and I just want her to come home. I just want my baby back, that`s it.
CINDY ANTHONY: OK. Do you think that they would actually do that?
CASEY ANTHONY: I don`t know what I can think anymore, mom. Just keep saying it because the truly is all we want.
CINDY ANTHONY: I know.
CASEY ANTHONY: Our family`s broken. We want to have that fixed. We know what that mean to have our family broken apart because of (INAUDIBLE) by tragedy. We don`t want this to any longer be a tragedy. I don`t want to be one of the thousands of parents that has to deal with the possibility of never seeing their child again.
It`s the potential of knowing their child`s alive and that they`re with someone else. The thought of that every day makes me sick.
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GRACE: Next, more stunning jailhouse videotape of the tot mom`s meeting with little Caylee`s grandparents, her parents, George and Cindy Anthony.
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GRACE: In her own words, we hear the tot mom dodge question after question as she`s confronted by parents George and Cindy Anthony during a jailhouse visit. The tot mom tries to convince them that little Caylee is really safe, all the time breaking down and turning on the water works.
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CINDY ANTHONY: Do you think she could be out of the country or anywhere?
CASEY ANTHONY: Mom, I don`t.
CINDY ANTHONY: I know. I know.
CASEY ANTHONY: . want to have this go into the same thing that it always is.
CINDY ANTHONY: I know.
CASEY ANTHONY: So please stop it. This is why -- this is one of the main reasons that I chose dad is because he won`t sit there and keep asking the same questions 500 times over like you and Lee have done. I want to see each and every one of you, but at least with dad, honestly, the true main reason that I want to see him is because he and I have had such a broken relationship for such a long time and we were just finally starting to talk the day that this unfolded, the day that I was brought here.
It was impossible to make a decision like that and I want you to understand where I was coming from. And I also Lee to understand where I was coming from. I can`t, I want, I said I wanted to see all three of you, you can`t, you can only see one, who do you want to see? And I sat there for a half hour and thought about it, deliberated and had to figure it out.
And I hate having to do that, having to make decisions like that, who in my family do I want to see more? It`s not who I want to see more, it`s just -- I don`t know. I don`t know anymore.
CINDY ANTHONY: It was hard going into Caylee`s room now.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes, I saw your picture in "People" magazine.
CINDY ANTHONY: I love you, honey.
CASEY ANTHONY: I love you, too.
CINDY ANTHONY: I want both of my girls badly. I hope you`re OK. I don`t know about Caylee. That`s what makes it so hard every day.
CASEY ANTHONY: I know that. I`m really not OK. I may be in a place where you know that I`m at but besides that, besides me being here physically.
CINDY ANTHONY: At least you`re safe and we know where you`re at. We don`t know where Caylee`s at. We don`t know if they`re feeding her or if they`re hugging her or giving her love.
CASEY ANTHONY: Mom, I know everything that they`re saying. I know she`s -- I just know she`s OK. I can feel it. I absolutely can feel it, even on her birthday, that entire day that I was -- I was completely miserable, like I told dad. All I can think of to say, I mean there`s every adjective that I can think of that`s bad that would have described how I felt, but honestly, nothing can describe what I was feeling. Nothing.
CINDY ANTHONY: (INAUDIBLE) A lot of people, people we don`t even know, brought her flowers, balloons, little stuffed animals. Some stuff we haven`t opened up. Just waiting for her to come home.
CASEY ANTHONY: I know. I`m glad to hear there`s been so much support from the community, even I have from out of the state, from all over the country. People have been sending me letters and stuff. It`s helping me keep my head up.
CINDY ANTHONY: Good.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes, I`m getting stuff that`s being sent through the mail. I mean Michelle Murphy sent me a book. I hope one of you guys can tell her that I got and thank you.
CINDY ANTHONY: If you can have that book, why can`t you have your bible?
CASEY ANTHONY: Because nothing can be physically brought in from the outside, and she brought me a book and had it sent to me. They sent me a bible as soon as you said that I refused. I didn`t refuse it. I can`t be given anything. You can`t just bring stuff in and say here you go. They have to check through stuff.
CINDY ANTHONY: I don`t know. I gave it to Jose. I don`t know what.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes, I know. He showed it to me and I was like, well, I`d love to have that, but I don`t think you can just give it to me. And he asked one of the officers when we were leaving that day, when we split from our meeting, and she said probably not. I mean he could ask someone else but.
CINDY ANTHONY: Well, if we can get it back, maybe I can send it to you.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes, if you can send it through the mail, they`ll check through it.
CINDY ANTHONY: I`m not sure where it`s at. I think they have it.
CASEY ANTHONY: No, I think Jose has it.
CINDY ANTHONY: I don`t think so. He would have given it back to me. I`ll find out though.
CASEY ANTHONY: Jose probably still has it because he wouldn`t have just given it to somebody because he asked her off the bat. I know he couldn`t have gotten it and taken care of right away, that was, what, a couple of weeks ago. He probably still has it.
CINDY ANTHONY: All right. Dad wants to talk to you some more.
CASEY ANTHONY: OK.
G. ANTHONY: Hey, sweetheart.
CASEY ANTHONY: Hey.
G. ANTHONY: Can you ask for something to write with so that you can send a note to the sheriff himself, attention Kevin Berry, just listen to me for a second.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes, I`m listening.
G. ANTHONY: And tell him that you want to speak to me, you know, or Lee or mom, and you want it to be done today. He can do it. He can.
CASEY ANTHONY: Well, dad, how am I going to get any.
G. ANTHONY: Listen, listen.
CASEY ANTHONY: No, I`m listening to you. How am I going to get anything to him? How can I get stuff.
G. ANTHONY: Just ask civil corrections to give you a paper and pen, whatever it`s going to take, pencil, just to write it, and you put the attention to him, and you say I need for this to be delivered to him now. They will do that. Believe me. I have already discussed that with a lot of other people that they said if you request that, they can do it, believe me.
CASEY ANTHONY: OK, well then I do that.
G. ANTHONY: OK. And listen, and listen. It can be at a location that it`s not going to be recorded. It`s going to be at a place that`s just you and I or you and Lee, or just you and mom can just sit down and just talk. That`s what it`s about. It`s not going to be over a phone, it`s going to be like we`re doing right now. It`s going to be face to face.
CASEY ANTHONY: No, I understood the.
G. ANTHONY: Right, but I just want you to know, it can be done without anyone else being there, except just us. You know, just you and me, you and Lee or you and mom. It can be done, sweetie.
CASEY ANTHONY: I understand that.
G. ANTHONY: And I`m trusting the people who told me that because they want us to have that time. OK?
CASEY ANTHONY: So it`s coming directly from the sheriff`s department? I don`t really trust anything that they`ve said, to be completely honest.
G. ANTHONY: No. Honestly, it didn`t come directly from them. But they`re the one that can.
CASEY ANTHONY: Good. I figured it wouldn`t have. I know they`re trying to put together a visit for us, which I appreciate very much.
G. ANTHONY: Well, honestly, I`m telling you, it can be done quicker than even what you`ve been told. Believe me. OK? It`s not going to be recorded. There`s nothing -- like I said, just write it down, say this has to be delivered to Mr. Kevin Barry, the sheriff, and he`ll do it. He`s already been talked to already. And he`s willing to do anything he can for you, for us, especially for Caylee. He`ll do anything he can, OK?
CASEY ANTHONY: All right. I`ll do that this morning.
G. ANTHONY: All right, sweetie. Once.
CASEY ANTHONY: It`s early enough.
G. ANTHONY: Once we get all that done, you know, we can get together and get a chance to hug you and talk to you. OK? Like I said, there`s no recordings or nothing`s going to be done.
CASEY ANTHONY: I know. Even then, I mean -- all I want to do is just tell you guys that I love you.
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GRACE: When we come back, tot mom Casey Anthony plays the victim.
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GRACE: The stunning jailhouse visit between tot mom Casey Anthony and grandparents George and Cindy. With the Anthony family ripped apart, the tot mom insists she`s the victim.
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G. ANTHONY: Listen, I love you. I love you. I love you so, so much.
CASEY ANTHONY: I know. I love you, too. Tell Lee that I love him and I miss him and I`m sorry I missed my visit with him. I felt so bad after I missed his visit and I missed your visit. I want to be right there with you guys. I really do. And I know that eventually I will be. But it can`t happen fast enough.
G. ANTHONY: That`s very true. That`s very true.
CASEY ANTHONY: The only reason that I don`t want to be here is so that I can be at home so I can get Caylee back faster. The only reason.
G. ANTHONY: Well, I know that.
CASEY ANTHONY: It`s the only reason -- that`s all I care about.
G. ANTHONY: You`re the boss, you know. You do what you need to do to get all this stuff going in that direction, OK? All right, sweetie?
CASEY ANTHONY: As far as that`s concerned, that one thing, yes, I pretty am. But everything else, no, I`m being told what to do and when to do it and everything else.
Dad, no. You don`t understand, I may have been the boss walking in here, but the roles have surely changed.
G. ANTHONY: OK. Mom just.
CASEY ANTHONY: Because everything`s out of my control. I need to be looked at as a victim because I`m just as much of a victim -- OK, we have a minute -- but I`m just as much a victim as the rest of you. And it hasn`t been portrayed that way, and it probably won`t be, but I know that, and at least there are other people that know that and understand that.
CINDY ANTHONY: I know. I know.
CASEY ANTHONY: So please give Lee my love. Give Mallory my love.
CINDY ANTHONY: I know.
CASEY ANTHONY: Tell everyone how much I miss them, and I`ll see everyone soon.
CINDY ANTHONY: I hope so. OK. Dad wants to say good-bye.
CASEY ANTHONY: I love you, mom.
CINDY ANTHONY: Love you.
G. ANTHONY: Listen, you know that you can trust me. You can trust mom, and you can trust Lee.
CASEY ANTHONY: Oh, I know that.
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GRACE: On this Presidents` Day, let`s stop to remember Marine Sergeant Michael Ferschke, Jr., 22, Tennessee, killed Iraq. Awarded the Purple Heart, Combat Action ribbon, Iraqi campaign medal. A newlywed, lost his wife after finding out his new bride will have a baby.
He had a big heart, loved skiing, spending time with family and friends, dreamed of a military career and being a dive instructor. Leaves behind parents Michael and Robin, brother, Raymond, sister, Alyssa, widow, Hutah.
Michael Ferschke, American hero.
Thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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