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Nancy Grace

Sex Offender Arrested Near Missing Haleigh`s Home

Aired February 19, 2009 - 20:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, Satsuma, Florida. A 5- year-old little girl tucked into bed, five hours later, she`s gone, vanished into thin air, the back door propped wide open. The father comes home from the night shift to find not a single trace of little Haleigh.

Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, a sex predator -- repeat, a convicted sex predator -- living less than one mile from Haleigh in custody tonight. But is he connected to Haleigh`s kidnap? We also confirm investigators seize a car, possibly a Toyota Rav-4 SUV, processing that vehicle for evidence as we go to air.

This as girlfriend/baby-sitter Misty Croslin, with Haleigh the night she was taken, has now been taken into custody for questioning, taken in a police car. Despite a tip to police Croslin was not home when Haleigh disappears, the entire family standing behind her. We are hearing she is now through with questioning. And tonight, detectives plow ahead with more polygraphs and another round of questioning for family members. Has Haleigh been spotted in Knoxville, Tennessee? The reward climbing tonight as the search goes on. Tonight, where is Haleigh?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking news in the case of missing 5-year-old Haleigh Cummings, who police say was abducted from her own bed in the middle of the night. Police have arrested a sexual predator that lives about a mile away from where Haleigh Cummings was last seen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: An arrest was made on a sexual predator here in Putnam County. However, this particular person does not have any direct link to Haleigh Cummings as far as being able to put him anywhere near her residence.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Florida investigators say there is no direct link between the sex offender just arrested and Haleigh`s disappearance. Authorities say they are still not ruling anyone out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m not going to exclude anybody from not being involved. This man is a sex predator.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Over 1,30- tips have come in as investigators continue to search for Haleigh`s abductor.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m looking for Haleigh wherever she`s at. I do not have her. So I am looking and I`m looking for the information that will get to her recovery.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Officials confirm they have seized a vehicle in this case but would not specify who the vehicle belonged to or where it was recovered. The reward has now increased to $16,000 as the family waits in tents, hoping for Haleigh`s safe return.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ll be right here, waiting.

RONALD CUMMINGS, FATHER: I`ll be here every day until my child returns.

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GRACE: That entire family living in tents while they`re looking for their little girl.

And breaking news tonight in the desperate search for another beautiful 2-year-old girl, Caylee. Six months of searching culminates when skeletal remains found in a heavily-wooded are just 15 houses from the Anthonys` confirmed to be Caylee, manner of death homicide. This after a utility meter reader stumbles on a tiny human skeleton, including a skull covered in light-colored hair. The killer duct tapes the child`s mouth and then finishes off by placing a heart-shaped sticker over the child`s mouth, then triple bagging her like she`s trash.

As we go to air, reports emerge tot mom doubles over, hyperventilating, demanding medication when she is purposely shown live TV coverage of the discovery of Caylee`s body, the entire thing caught on jailhouse video. And just released, hundreds of police investigative files, literally over 1,000 crime scene photos taken by land, by air, tot mom`s personal diary, duct tape, stickers, diapers, laundry bag, garbage bags and clothing -- it`s all part of state`s evidence.

And tonight, did grandparents George and Cindy Anthony`s private eye change his story again? He`s caught on video in the same wooded area just weeks before Caylee`s found. Now we learn he made three -- that`s right, one, two, three -- separate trips to that very same spot beforehand. Why?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking developments in the case of 2-year-old Florida toddler Caylee Anthony. Newly-released documents detail evidence collected at both the crime scene and later the Anthony home during the execution of two search warrants. Items including duct tape, a laundry bag and clothing all found at the crime scene appear very similar to items found inside the home of George, Cindy and tot mom Casey Anthony.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When investigators collected the evidence from the house after Caylee`s remains were found, they say in the documents that Cindy Anthony told them a Winnie-the-Pooh blanket was missing from Caylee`s bed. Caylee`s remains were found with a Winnie-the-Pooh blanket.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Meanwhile, the Anthony family private investigator`s interview with police is being released by the judge`s order, even though the defense argued the information could be privileged.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This chilling video, which has been given exclusively to channel 9, shows the Anthonys` private investigator, Dominic Casey, in November, searching and ramming a metal rod into the ground here at the crime scene, mere feet from where Caylee Anthony`s remains were later found.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: PI Dominic Casey telling police why he was at the crime scene a month before Caylee`s skull and bones were found. Dominic Casey told investigators, at first he tried (ph) to determine if the location was a teenage hangout, as he had heard from the tot mom`s friends. But on his way there, Dominic Casey says he got a call from a psychic suggesting this could be where Caylee`s remains were located.

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. In the last hours, a sex predator living less than one mile from little Haleigh in custody tonight. But is he connected to Haleigh`s kidnap?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The search continues for missing 5-year-old Florida girl Haleigh Cummings, who police believe was kidnapped from her own bed last week. Authorities announce they`ve arrested a sexual predator who lives about a mile from Haleigh`s home for violating the terms of his probation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The man`s name is Timothy Randolph Loucakis. He`s a 50-year-old white male, and he does live within about a mile from Haleigh`s residence. This man is a sex predator. That means he`s a very dangerous individual. I mean, there`s no getting around that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Putnam County officials say there is no evidence linking the sex offender, Timothy Loucakis, to Haleigh`s abduction, but say they will continue to treat everyone as a suspect.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re questioning a lot of people and family members. We have polygraphs going on as we speak.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police confirm they are re-interviewing girlfriend Misty Croslin today and have also seized a vehicle as part of their investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t have any suspicions of anybody. Anybody could have done anything. I don`t know what`s what.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re thinking the worst not for Haleigh because I still feel she`s alive. But I just -- everybody`s a suspect.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A $16,000 reward is now being offered as tips continue to pour in, over 1,300 so far, Haleigh`s family holding out hope Haleigh will be brought home to them, even staying in tents near the home where the 5-year-old was taken in the middle of the night.

CUMMINGS: I`d ask that you please, please bring my daughter home. She`s not yours. It`s not property. You know, it`s not something that you just take and say, It`s mine, or whatever. This is my daughter. This is blood, and I would like to have my daughter back. Please, please bring my daughter home.

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GRACE: Straight out to T.J. Hart with WSKY 97.3 FM. He`s standing outside the family tent. And it breaks my heart to say the "family tent." Their home is still deemed to be a crime scene, where the little girl was taken. They have nowhere to go. They are living in tents while the search for their little girl goes on.

T.J., what can you tell me about a convicted sex offender -- I`ve seen his photo, he looks to be about 50 -- living less than a mile from little Haleigh? What can you tell me?

T.J. HART, WSKY 97.3 FM: Fifty-year-old Timothy Loucakis does indeed live about a mile away from the home, and he was picked up here just last night with -- he was away from his home zone. He violated the order of his release. He had his GPS device on. Not only did he violate curfew, but he also got outside of his home zone. He was taken in not only for arrest, but also for further questioning today.

GRACE: Uh-uh. Uh-uh. Uh-uh. Listen, T.J. Hart, I`m sure you remember the recent case, Jennifer Hudson, "American Idol," the guy was taken into custody for a parole violation, for not reporting in. That is a technical violation. It is extremely rare to be arrested for a technical violation such as breaking curfew. Tell me what this guy`s history is.

HART: This history -- he did have a history of performing a sex act on a youngster and -- excuse me here, we`re being interrupted here by a train (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: Hold on! Hold on! Hold on, T.J. I`ll go to our producer, Matt Zarrell, standing by. Matt, what can you tell me about this guy`s history quickly?

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, in 2001, he was convicted of trying to make a video of porn and distribute it over the Internet. Now, apparently, what happened...

GRACE: Wait a minute! Wait a minute! Wait a minute! Everybody and their half-brother is selling porn and distributing porn on the Internet. What does that have to do with a child molestation? Matt, you`ve got to be more specific.

ZARRELL: OK. What happened was, is that there was a 10-year-old girl that he was trying to set up a "meet and greet" with. And what he did was he sent child pornography pictures to who he thought was the child`s father. Turns out the father is an FDLE agent. So he was arrested before the meeting ever took place.

GRACE: OK. And he`s convicted of that, of trying to send porn to -- did you say to the child or to the father?

ZARRELL: He tried to send it to the father, who he thought was the child`s father.

GRACE: So he -- OK, wait. He was sending porn to the child`s father? He thought he was sending porn to the father?

ZARRELL: He thought he was sending porn to the child`s father in order to set up his "meet and greet."

GRACE: And that`s the way he thought he was going to get to see the child?

ZARRELL: That`s our understanding, according to reports.

GRACE: Good Lord in heaven!

OK, back to T.J. Hart, I think we`ll be able to hear you now, joining us from WSKY. He`s standing outside the family tent. OK, T.J., you`re saying he was picked up on a technical curfew violation. Yes, no.

HART: Yes, he was, and he was brought in for questioning, and they had him in there until this afternoon. I don`t know if he`s been released at this point in time.

GRACE: OK, to Michelle Sigona with "America`s Most Wanted." What more can you tell me about this guy, Timothy Randolph Loucakis? I`ve got his rap sheet, his information right here in my hand. What more do we know, Michelle?

MICHELLE SIGONA, "AMERICA`S MOST WANTED": I can tell you, Nancy, based off of what an investigator just told me about 15 minutes ago, that Timothy did, in fact, have a GPS tracking device on him. That GPS tracking device was checked around the time that Caylee went missing, and he was around his home. He was nowhere where Haleigh went missing. So that is what I can confirm to you at this time. And yes, he is being questioned by authorities.

GRACE: Of course, Michelle, that depends on what time Haleigh went missing. It all depends on that timeline reported by Misty Croslin, the 17-year-old girlfriend/baby-sitter.

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CUMMINGS: I would like to tell my daughter, if she`s watching, baby, I love you and we will find you. I love you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Another tough day, another desperate plea.

CUMMINGS: I just want my daughter home. That`s it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Today investigators brought in Misty Croslin for more questioning. She`s Haleigh`s dad`s girlfriend and the last person who saw Haleigh when she tucked her into bed. Investigators now say Haleigh wasn`t wearing the pink T-shirt they originally thought she had on the night she disappeared.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We still think she was wearing it when she was put in bed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Deputies say they`ve interviewed a cousin of Misty`s who was visiting from Tennessee before Haleigh`s disappearance.

CUMMINGS: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you suspect she did anything?

CUMMINGS: I don`t have any suspicions of anybody. Anybody could have done anything. I don`t know what`s what. Obviously, if I knew what was going on, I`d have my daughter.

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DISPATCHER: Green Lane. The complainant (INAUDIBLE) she cannot find her 5-year-old daughter. The back door is open at this time.

DETECTIVE: I got the age on this kid. Is it a boy or a girl?

DISPATCHER: Whiskey Foxtrot, last seen wearing her PJs.

DETECTIVE: 10-4

DETECTIVE: 1256.

DISPATCHER: 1256?

DETECTIVE: There`s a railroad track that runs right through there. Can we find out from CSX when the next train comes through?

DISPATCHER: 10-4.

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GRACE: Whiskey Foxtrot -- white female. That is police radio communications that we are now hearing the night little Haleigh was found missing from her own bed.

I want to go straight out to a special guest joining us there outside the family tent. This is Teresa Neves, the paternal grandmother of Haleigh. She is preparing to head to a vigil for little Haleigh. Ms. Neves, thank you for being with us. I understand that the girlfriend/baby- sitter, Misty Croslin, was taken in a police vehicle for questioning today. What happened?

TERESA NEVES, PATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: Well, to my knowledge, they took her in and questioned her. I couldn`t tell you what happened. I have not spoken with Misty. I`m assuming that they needed to talk to her, you know? And we want them to talk to as many people as they have to talk to to find the truth about where our Haleigh is. I don`t care who that is or when they do it.

GRACE: Tell me, how is your son holding up? We`re on day 10 now.

NEVES: Ronald`s having a hard time. She`s his little girl. He loves her. He`s having a very hard time.

GRACE: And you know what, Ms. Neves? They`ve been through so much with Haleigh and her medical problems with the Turner syndrome, and he has been there by her side throughout all of this and I know his heart is breaking. They have got a very special bond after all of her illness that she has suffered, and now this.

I want to go back to Misty Croslin. Did she volunteer to go in to speak to police? Did she request to go speak to police, or did they want to see her themselves?

NEVES: Today I believe that they wanted to see her. Misty has made herself open to them at any time, and they came to see her.

GRACE: I understand we are now hearing that she was, in fact, the one who alerted police that she had discovered the pink pajama top that they found outside the back door.

NEVES: I`m not exactly sure where they found it. They`re not telling us where they found it, only that they did find the shirt that she was supposed to be wearing.

GRACE: What more can you tell us? What are police -- what information are they sharing with the family?

NEVES: That they have leads that they`re following. We don`t get a whole lot more information. We usually get an update right before they go in to media, but we don`t get much more information. And I understand that because we want them to do whatever it takes to bring Haleigh home. We don`t want to interfere with anything that they`re doing.

GRACE: So your son is having to live in a tent right now. There`s nowhere else for him to go because his home is still deemed a crime scene?

NEVES: His home is still a crime scene, but I don`t think if they opened it, my son would ever be able to go back in there. And I don`t believe that he wants to leave from right here where they took his baby until she comes home.

GRACE: Ms. Neves, did he tell you that?

NEVES: Did he tell me that? He told me he would not leave unless they make him. He will not leave until somebody brings his baby back to him.

GRACE: Ms. Neves, what does he believe happened to Haleigh?

BREMNER: You know, if he had any -- any kind of clue, he would be wherever he thought they had Haleigh. You couldn`t stop him.

GRACE: I see that there are a lot of people there with candles. Is that the vigil happening right now?

BREMNER: No, ma`am. No, ma`am. Those candles burn for Haleigh every day.

GRACE: Ms. Neves, what is your day -- what is the day of your son, Ronald, like during all of this search?

NEVES: He gets up every morning and he goes and he finds somebody who will search with him. He searched with Equusearch for two or three days, and he searched with volunteers. He spends his day looking for Haleigh.

GRACE: What about his job?

NEVES: You know, they`ve been good, I guess. He really is not going to worry about his job right now. He`s not worried about anything but Haleigh. All he wants is for Haleigh to come home. He can always find a job.

GRACE: What have police told you, if anything, about an alleged sighting of Haleigh in Knoxville, Tennessee?

NEVES: A sighting? I heard it on TV. I haven`t heard that from the police. No law enforcement has told me that.

GRACE: When you said that Ronald, your son, is not taking it very well, what did you mean by that?

NEVES: He`s lost without his little girl. He holds onto his little boy and he prays for that little girl every night and every day. He searches however he can.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m trying to do everything to find her, you know, answer any questions I have to because I know I didn`t do anything to that little girl. I would never hurt her. They love me. They love me. They look at me like their mom, you know? You ask little Junior. He`ll tell you. You know, they talk lovely (ph) about me and I`m so good to them kids.

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GRACE: We are taking your calls live. We are live outside the family tent, the family of little Haleigh now living in tent. They don`t have anywhere they can go. They refuse to be far away from the scene where little Haleigh was taken. There you are seeing a live shot of what is happening right now.

We just spoke with the paternal grandmother. I want to go now to Marie Griffis, the maternal grandmother of little Haleigh. Ms. Griffis, along with Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh`s mother, also joining us there outside the family tent. Ms. Griffis, what do you make of the developments today, the baby-sitter/girlfriend taken away in a squad car for questioning?

MARIE GRIFFIS, MATERNAL GRANDMOTHER: I don`t know what to make of it. They`re taking her in so many times, it`s like they know she might know something.

GRACE: How many times do you believe she has been questioned?

GRIFFIS: I`ve -- I`ve known of three different days they`ve taken her out, including today.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hello.

911 OPERATOR: OK. Sir, let me talk to your wife. Let me get some information from her.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Man, (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (expletive deleted)

911 OPERATOR: Can I talk to her?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (expletive deleted) (INAUDIBLE).

911 OPERATOR: What`s her date of birth.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (expletive deleted) (INAUDIBLE) (expletive deleted)

911 OPERATOR: OK. Tell him we understand. We need to get her date of birth.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What`s her date of birth?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (expletive deleted) we need to find her, (expletive deleted) her date of birth.

911 OPERATOR: Tell him we`ve got them coming. He needs to try to calm down a little bit, OK? The officers are going to come out there and do what they can. We can`t have him screaming and yelling at the officers whenever they get there, OK?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Give me the (expletive deleted) phone. I`ve got better people to talk to than (expletive deleted) that ain`t coming.

911 OPERATOR: Can we check with St. John (INAUDIBLE) and see if they can put a chopper in the air for us?

DISPATCHER: 10-4.

911 OPERATOR: Also if you can contact Tenner (ph) at home and tell him I need to get him a boat prepared that would go into canal areas, one of the smaller ones, and get activated and head down this way.

DISPATCHER: 10-4.

DEPUTY #2: When you all make contact with Deputy Tenner, advise him it`s going to be east of the Hermit Cove Marine and (INAUDIBLE) south- southwest of the railroad track.

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GRACE: Tonight, the babysitter/girlfriend, 17-year-old Misty Croslin taken back in a squad car for more police questioning. All this as a local convicted sex offender, a 50-year-old guy trying to meet a 10-year-old girl via child porn also taken into custody, but is it connected to Haleigh`s kidnapping?

In the middle of all of this tornado, we have got an alleged sighting of the little girl in Knoxville, Tennessee. We are taking your calls, live to Cassandra (ph), North Carolina. Hi, dear.

CALLER: Hi, thanks for having me on.

GRACE: Thank you for calling. What`s your question, dear?

CALLER: I just wanted to know, did anybody check out the family for drugs in the house?

GRACE: Excellent question. To Crystal Sheffield, this is Haleigh`s mother who is joining us right now outside the family tent. As you know, the family is estranged. Haleigh is living with her father right now. The mother lives about a hundred miles away. She is joining us today there at the scene.

Crystal Sheffield, thank you for being with us. Was the family checked out for possible drug use, anything, cocaine, methamphetamine, anything?

CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD, MOTHER OF MISSING 5-YEAR-OLD HALEIGH: I have no idea.

GRACE: What can you tell me, back to.

SHEFFIELD: I haven`t heard anything about it.

GRACE: OK. To T.J. Hart with WSKY, also joining us there at the family tent, what can you tell us about that?

T.J. HART, PROGRAM & NEWS DIRECTOR, WSKY: We`ve not received any information, nor I have been able to independently verify any information pertaining to drugs in the house the night of the disappearance or any time prior.

GRACE: To Michelle Sigona, "America`s Most Wanted," I haven`t heard a word about any drugs being in the home, have you?

MICHELLE SIGONA, "AMERICA`S MOST WANTED": No, I haven`t either, Nancy, but I can tell you that investigators, you know, again, have taken a lot of evidence out of that house. They have sent it out to a crime lab in Jacksonville where they`re awaiting some DNA results to come back.

Those results have not come back yet, along with the car that was seized earlier today. They will not say whose car that belongs to, but that car is there as well as investigators continue to comb through the vehicle, through the inside of the house, and also re-questioning a lot of the family members today.

As you mentioned, they did bring back in Misty. She did go willingly, not in handcuffs. She was picked up in an unmarked car, she was dropped back off in an unmarked car. And what investigators tell me even within the last hour, is that Misty, along with Ronald are in 100 percent cooperation with investigators.

Any time they want to be brought in for questioning, they are there. They are willing to do whatever it takes to help find Haleigh.

GRACE: OK. Right there, Mike Brooks, something is wrong. It has been 10 days. It doesn`t take 10 days to get a DNA result. I can just tell you that right now. Unless -- wait a minute, unless they don`t have anyone to compare the DNA to.

Say they`ve compared it to the father, the girlfriend, family members, X, Y, and Z. It`s not theirs, they`ve got to have somebody to match it up to. You see where I`m going?

MIKE BROOKS, CNN SECURITY ANALYST: Absolutely, Nancy. And if it was a child predator, registered sex offender, that would be in that codice (ph), the national database of people from local, state, and federal who have been through the system.

One thing I just want to point out, Nancy, that 911 call we were listening to with Ronald Cummings, something struck me when I was listening to it just this last time. When they were talking -- the dispatcher was talking to him, he said, you all are F-ing playing games. If he`s talking to Misty, who is "you all"? "You all" is plural. Who is he talking about?

GRACE: Well, why would you think he`s talking to the girlfriend? Because my interpretation of that call was he was PO`d at the 911 operator, and I don`t blame him. They`re screaming, my daughter`s gone, my daughter`s gone, and they`re going, what`s her DOB?

BROOKS: Right. Now -- but -- exactly, but -- that`s OK, but they`ve got cars on the way. That`s the way they do, they can type it in while cars are going. In fact, from the dispatcher, it was -- the call was received at 3:27, dispatched at 3:28.

GRACE: You know, Brooks, Brooks, save it. I`ve been in the dispatch office. I`ve seen.

BROOKS: Did you see the police report, too, Nancy?

GRACE: Yes.

BROOKS: When he called his girlfriend?

GRACE: Yes. And? And?

BROOKS: OK. Well, there has got to be some reason why he was calling -- when he told the police "my dumb `B` girlfriend," and he called her that on the dispatch tapes. There was something else going on there, Nancy, I guarantee it.

GRACE: I hate to shatter your illusions, but that type of language amongst live-ins, married people, boyfriend-girlfriend, is not all that unusual, especially in a pressurized situation, right?

BROOKS: Oh, OK. I don`t know what -- no, whatever you say. You must have experience, because apparently, I don`t.

GRACE: I`m going go back to Crystal Sheffield, the mother of little Haleigh.

Ms. Sheffield, I understand that the girlfriend has been taken back for police questioning at least three times. What do you make of it?

SHEFFIELD: I don`t know what to make of it. It bothers me, but I really don`t know what to make of it.

GRACE: What do you mean it bothers you?

SHEFFIELD: I mean, her story has changed several times and now she`s the one that supposedly found the shirt. I mean, it just -- it doesn`t make sense, and I know my kids did love her. They told me that, and I just hope she would not have nothing to do with this.

GRACE: Explain to me the circumstances under which the pink pajama top was found. What do you know about that because that was a description Misty Croslin gave police and then suddenly she found the shirt. What happened?

SHEFFIELD: I was down talking to Ronald, me and my cousin drove down there. She was giving my son some birthday presents and a detective was down there and Ronald called me over there and the detective told me that they had found a shirt Haleigh was wearing.

And I broke down and then I walked away and Teresa (ph) walked over to me and was talking to me and the detective walked over and he was, like, did you know -- do you know what happened?

And she was, like, yes. And he was, like, you know that we found the shirt in the house. And that bothered me. And then today, this morning, I do believe it was, I got the paper from the store and it says that Misty found the shirt in the house, I guess, by the back door in the dirty clothes pile.

GRACE: So that`s near the back door, the back door that was found propped open with a cinder block?

SHEFFIELD: Yes.

GRACE: Crystal, do you know if any other items of clothing of Haleigh`s are missing?

SHEFFIELD: I wouldn`t -- I`ve never been in that house. I wouldn`t know.

GRACE: OK. And back to Marie Griffis, the maternal grandmother of Haleigh Cummings. Were you also aware that Misty Croslin was the one that found the pink T-shirt? Of course, she found it, which is a little suspicious, but she also pointed it out to police.

MARIE GRIFFIS, MATERNAL GRANDMOTHER OF MISSING 5-YEAR-OLD HALEIGH: Not until Crystal told me she had read in the paper that Misty found it by the door. I had -- we had heard that an officer had found it. But if they found it by the backdoor in the dirty clothes then somebody evidently put Haleigh in fresh, clean clothes before they took her out of that house.

GRACE: Everyone, we are going to break, we are taking your calls live. With me little Haleigh`s mother and grandmother there outside the family tent. These people are having to live in tents while the little girl is being searched for.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We had a call to the sheriff`s office regarding a discovery that was made. A bag was found there and the skeletal remains were recovered or found at the scene.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There`s evidence that was found in the Anthonys` home that matches up to evidence at the crime scene. A laundry bag, the exact same make that was found with Caylee`s remains. Also there was a similar heart sticker, a backing for a missing heart stocker that appears to be similar to the heart stocker that was placed on the duct tape over Caylee`s mouth.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And your gut tells you that she`s close or she`s hiding?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s not far. I know in my heart she`s not far.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Another bombshell in these documents that Cindy told investigators when they came to the house in December after the remains were found that she told someone to go to the scene a month earlier and look around, and she claimed at that point that nothing was found, and that could be the explanation behind that videotape that we had gotten showing their private eyes videotaping a search around the scene a month earlier.

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GRACE: Straight out to Kathi Belich with WFTV.

Kathi, I understand that the jailhouse secretly videoed the tot mom when she was watching live coverage of the discovery of Caylee`s body, what happened?

KATHI BELICH, WFTV REPORTER: What I have been able to confirm is that her reaction was videotaped at the jail. There are cameras all over the jail. Most people are aware of that. I do understand that the Orange County`s sheriff`s office did have someone call the jail, tell the jail to notify her. And they might have asked the jail to monitor her reaction. There is a videotape, however, and it has just not been released yet.

GRACE: Now, Kathi Belich, other reports state she was taken to sick bay where there was a camera in there and they watched her. Is that true or not?

BELICH: I can`t confirm that that actually happened.

GRACE: OK. Nikki Pierce with WDBO, what do you know?

NIKKI PIERCE, WDBO REPORTER: Well, just about the same as Kathi, actually. We`re hearing from a local report that sources confirm that -- or sources do say that Casey was taken to the prison nurse`s station and they were watching her to see her response when she heard about the remains being found. They say she doubled over twice and hyperventilated.

GRACE: Let`s unleash the lawyers. Joining me tonight, felony prosecutor out of Atlanta, Eleanor Dixon; veteran trial lawyer, former prosecutor, Peter Odom out of Atlanta; and trial lawyer, also former prosecutor now defense attorney out of New York, Pam Hayes.

Weigh in, Eleanor.

ELEANOR DIXON, PROSECUTOR: Nancy, you know, that`s one piece of evidence, but there is so much damning evidence against Casey. I think the prosecution.

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GRACE: Let`s keep it in the middle of the road, Eleanor. I want to talk about this video. Can it come into evidence?

DIXON: Maybe, but I doubt it.

GRACE: Why?

DIXON: Well, I don`t know if they can show what it`s supposed to show. Maybe if they show state of mind.

GRACE: Well, hold on, let`s see Dixon`s face. How about consciousness of guilt?

DIXON: Well, it might be consciousness of guilt, Nancy, but there may be some privacy issues, even though they...

GRACE: What privacy issues?

DIXON: . can videotape the at the jail. But I think the prosecution might have a hard time getting it in.

GRACE: Repeat, what privacy issues?

DIXON: I bet that`s going to be the defense argument. And I don`t know that they need it.

GRACE: Well, I`m asking you what`s the issue?

DIXON: Well, I think the issue is, is it relevant to the case?

GRACE: Well, you just said it was a privacy issue, now you`re saying relevance.

DIXON: Well, I think it`s kind of both. I think that`s at least what we`re going to hear the defense argue.

GRACE: OK. Are you backing off the privacy issue?

DIXON: Maybe a little bit, but I don`t think the prosecutors.

GRACE: Well, at least you admit it. What about it, Peter Odom?

PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: This is coming into evidence, probably, but it`s ambiguous. It`s really not going to mean that much.

GRACE: Oh, really.

ODOM: This is a consummate actress. She is going to tailor her response to get maximum effect from the public, right?

GRACE: OK. Pam Hayes, I know what you`re going to.

PAM HAYES, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It`s not coming in.

GRACE: OK. Just in a nutshell, why won`t it come into evidence, because I think it can.

HAYES: It doesn`t have any relevancy. It is after the fact. It has no relationship.

GRACE: Not true.

HAYES: . to what -- oh, it is very true. Absolutely true. It`s after the fact.

GRACE: OK. What about this scenario, Eleanor Dixon? When she finds out that the body has been found, she doubles over and asks for medication for herself to remain calm. You don`t think, Eleanor, that could be construed as consciousness of guilt? After the fact, after the schmact (ph). That doesn`t matter. If somebody confesses, it`s after the fact. It comes in. Timing doesn`t matter, Eleanor.

DIXON: Well, that`s true, Nancy. But what I`d be afraid of.

GRACE: So what is Pam Hayes talking about?

DIXON: But what I`d be afraid of is, the prosecutors, the defense turning it around and saying, she`s just upset that the person who killed her daughter...

GRACE: You know what.

DIXON: . and it was found.

GRACE: You know what, Eleanor, you know what I say to being afraid of what the defense is going to do? Bring it on. Let`s see what the defense is going to do with it. What would you do with it, Pam Hayes?

HAYES: I certainly would have it out. It`s only being brought in to solicit sympathy.

GRACE: OK, we`re past that. We`re talking about if it comes into evidence. What do you do?

HAYES: Oh, my God, I`d start talking about how that is evidence that she`s so taken aback that she can`t believe what happened, that it brought her to the point that she had to be placed on medication, but I don`t think it`s coming in.

GRACE: You know what is interesting to me, Bethany Marshall? Let`s go to the source. We need a shrink on this one. Psychoanalyst and author of "Dealbreakers," Bethany Marshall, joining us out of L.A.

Bethany, I could see the defense using it to their benefit, she doubles over, hyperventilates, but when she suddenly says, I need some Xanax, uh-uh, no, that is not about Caylee.

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR, "DEALBREAKERS": Well, you know, she has already probably been given very good psychological examination and psyche tests. Psyche testing, which are very reliable instruments which will stand up in court and will probably prove that there`s lack of empathy toward the child. So that`s probably not why she doubled over.

GRACE: OK. You know what, Bethany, Bethany, you`re talking psychoanalyst talk. Can you break it down for those of us that are just trial lawyers? What I`m trying to say, let me try it again. Let me rephrase, to double over and hyperventilate, I could see that as grief, but then to have the presence, the frame of mind to say, could you give me some Xanax? To me, that`s not fitting together.

MARSHALL: Actually, that`s such an interesting question, because I think what you`re pointing out is there was a great deal of mental organization and she thought about herself in the asking for the benzo or the Xanax or Ativan whatever it was.

And it`s interesting, because there was a great deal of mental organization that went into the homicide with this child, you know, with the duct tape and the heart sticker and wrapping her in a blanket.

And don`t forget, Nancy, the only other time Casey has cracked in this entire case was when the indictment was handed down. That`s the other time that she cried.

GRACE: Joining me right now is Dr. Keri Peterson from Lenox Hill Hospital. Impeccable credentials.

Dr. Peterson, thank you for being with us.

DR. KERI PETERSON, LENOX HILL HOSPITAL: Hi, Nancy.

GRACE: Dr. Peterson, the defense has responded to the just-released evidence, mounds of evidence by claiming it`s all junk science. Do you believe that DNA, fingerprint evidence is junk science? Do they have a leg to stand on?

PETERSON: DNA evidence is indisputably accurate. There is no way that they can challenge DNA evidence as junk science. Fingerprints, on the other hand, can be somewhat subjective. While they are unique between individuals, it can be subjective.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The diaries seeming to indicate that she believed she made the right decision, she doesn`t say what that decision was, but she talks about how happy she is and that she hasn`t been that happy in a long period of time.

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GRACE: And we learn, Kathi Belich from WFTV, that the Anthonys` private eye maybe have changed his story again. Give it to me in a nutshell.

BELICH: This is about the search at the scene, I assume you`re referring to.

GRACE: Yes.

BELICH: He was interviewed by detectives in January. He told them that he was there because of a psychic tip. He also said that he had already planned to go there even before the psychic called on that same day, coincidentally, because he was trying to confirm that that was actually a teen hideout of Casey`s years earlier when he was pressed by detectives what relevance would that have.

GRACE: OK. Just stop right there.

BELICH: OK.

GRACE: You know, Peter Odom, that doesn`t even make sense. A teen hangout, why would he care where Casey Anthony hung out 10 years ago?

ODOM: I think we`ve got to, Nancy, go with the theory that he had some reason for being there and it wasn`t a psychic and it wasn`t to check out teenage pranks.

GRACE: Eleanor?

DIXON: He`s a dangerous type of witness, dangerous person, who knows what he`s going to say. It`s a psychic, it`s teen hangouts, ridiculous.

GRACE: Pam Hayes?

HAYES: The teen hangout has nothing to do with this case. He`s there because somebody told him to be there.

GRACE: You know what, Pam Hayes? You know what one of the many things I like about you.

HAYES: What?

GRACE: The reality is, to be a good defense lawyer, just like you just did, you`ve got to recognize a problem and then deal with it head-on instead of just denying it. You`re right. They`re going to have to deal with that. With me, Pam Hayes, Peter Odom, Eleanor Dixon.

Let`s stop and remember Army Lieutenant (sic) Ralph Marino, 46, Houston, Pennsylvania, a Washington & Jefferson College grad, served in Panama, the first Gulf War, and Afghanistan, awarded the Meritorious Service Medal, Army Commendation Medal and National Defense Service Medal. Leaves behind parents Ralph and Janice. Ralph Marino, American hero.

Thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us. A special good night from George and Virginia, friends of the show. Donna, Susan, Diane, and John, what a handsome bunch.

Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friends.

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