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Nancy Grace
Casey Anthony Arrest Interviews
Aired May 25, 2009 - 20:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight in the desperate search for a 2-year-old Florida girl, Caylee. Six months of searching culminate when skeletal remains found in a heavily wooded area just 15 houses from the Anthony home confirmed to be Caylee, manner of death homicide. A utility meter reader stumbles on a tiny human skeleton, including a skull covered in light-colored hair, the killer duct-taping and placing a heart-shaped sticker directly over the mouth, then triple-bagging little Caylee like she`s trash.
Bombshell tonight. Caught on video, inside tot mom`s murder investigation, tot mom at the moment she`s arrested for the murder of her 2-year-old little girl, tot mom calm, cool, collected, even laughing just moments after she`s indicted on murder one. There she is, adjusting her hair, her clothing, her nails while she thinks cops aren`t looking. Did she really think they care about her hair and makeup? Tonight, the stunning raw video and audiotapes.
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CPL. ERIC EDWARDS, ORANGE COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE: October 14th, 2008, approximately 4:05 PM, Corporal Eric Edwards, Orange County Sheriff`s Office Homicide, in the vehicle with?
DET. DOROTHY RIVERA, ORANGE COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE: Detective Dorothy Rivera.
JEFFREY SCOTT BOLIN, FBI SPECIAL AGENT: Special agent Jeffrey Scott Bolin.
EDWARDS: And we are approaching a traffic stop where Casey Anthony is in custody right now by our felony unit. And we will be having her in the car momentarily.
That was downright dangerous almost. Why all the games, I wonder?
CASEY ANTHONY, CAYLEE`S MOTHER: We thought it was media. We`ve been literally stopped by media, not just today but for weeks.
EDWARDS: You know what you`re in custody for?
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes. We got the call about the indictment.
EDWARDS: You did get the call?
CASEY ANTHONY: I talked to my attorney.
EDWARDS: Mr. Baez.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes.
EDWARDS: Mr. Crazy Driver.
(LAUGHTER)
EDWARDS: Listen, you haven`t met me before. You`ve seen me.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes.
EDWARDS: You haven`t met me. I did speak with your mother...
CASEY ANTHONY: OK.
EDWARDS: ... your father and your brother. This situation here, I`m trying to find the right words for it. I`ll tell you what got me a little bit out of mindset was what just happened on the road back there, so you`ll have to give me a second...
CASEY ANTHONY: That`s fine.
EDWARDS: ... to get that bit of adrenaline out of my system. Do you have any adrenaline in your system from that?
CASEY ANTHONY: A little bit, especially when we realized, you know, who was behind us, that it wasn`t media, so...
EDWARDS: What`s that fellow`s name that you were in the car there with?
CASEY ANTHONY: Robert.
EDWARDS: What did he say when he realized it was the police?
CASEY ANTHONY: I think his exact words were, Oh (DELETED) it`s the cops, OK?
(LAUGHTER)
EDWARDS: And when was that?
CASEY ANTHONY: That was right when...
EDWARDS: What part of our journey?
CASEY ANTHONY: Right as you flashed the lights. We couldn`t tell before that.
EDWARDS: Where was that, here?
CASEY ANTHONY: Uh-huh.
EDWARDS: You legitimately thought that...
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes, we all legitimately thought it was the press.
EDWARDS: Including Mr. Baez.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes.
EDWARDS: So Mr. Baez`s intentions was to -- if it was the press, was to keep the press away.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes.
EDWARDS: Because I`m pretty sure the state`s statute won`t allow him running press vans off the road, either, but it just makes it worse when it`s an unmarked police car.
CASEY ANTHONY: Oh, I completely agree with you.
EDWARDS: This is where I`d like to be with you.
CASEY ANTHONY: OK.
EDWARDS: I myself have got a chance to, unfortunately, listen to -- and I say unfortunately because I almost feel guilty that I catch myself watching the TV as much as I do, like the rest of everyone.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes, it`s hard not to.
EDWARDS: But in that few little excerpts -- I`ve never really listened to the interviews that Yuri and John Allen have done and the opportunities they had to talk to you before. But do I know from listening to the little bit that I have, where I`d like to talk to you in a different approach. And also I`d like to talk to you about if, in your mind`s eye for me, you would take yourself to the end of that hallway at Universal Studios because today, in this charging incident today, if you will, I think as far as everything goes, we`re at the end of that hallway.
CASEY ANTHONY: OK.
EDWARDS: That being said, I would ask you for your help. Instead of all this other stuff that`s been going on, maybe step away from the glitter and the glamour and the pressure that`s put on you and your family and the law enforcement and Mr. Baez and help us...
CASEY ANTHONY: OK.
EDWARDS: ... by helping yourself.
CASEY ANTHONY: OK.
EDWARDS: Do you have any interest in helping us?
CASEY ANTHONY: I have had interest in helping law enforcement from the beginning. Unfortunately, my hands were literally tied, and I was put in a position where someone`s trying to trick a confession out of me and...
EDWARDS: Well, I don`t want...
CASEY ANTHONY: ... and that`s not going to happen.
EDWARDS: Now -- well, don`t go there. I don`t want to -- you know as far as how we have to do things, and I would want to do things aboveboard and straightforward. I would want to read you your rights and Mirandize you. Mr. Baez, I`m sure, has gone through that thoroughly with you, coached you on what to say, which is fine. That`s his right. That`s your right. But I as a law enforcement officer still am afforded the right to approach you as a suspect. I`m not going to sugarcoat it. That`s one thing you`ll never get with me is a mind game.
CASEY ANTHONY: I appreciate that.
EDWARDS: If I read you your rights and we take the time to do that -- and you`ve met, right? Have you two met?
CASEY ANTHONY: No.
BOLIN: Casey, I`m Scott.
CASEY ANTHONY: Nice to meet you. OK.
EDWARDS: OK. Take all that aggravation from prior contacts out of your mind. It`s a different game. I`m a homicide corporal, FBI, not John Allen, not Yuri, not the aggravation that the family -- that they see those two as. And I`m not minimizing their professionalism or anything that they`ve done, OK? I just want to approach it in a different manner. And today, with what was done today at the grand jury, regardless of accusations from everybody around, there`s been people that have reviewed - - what it is so far, Casey, we`re at the end of the hallway. Are you aware...
CASEY ANTHONY: To an extent, yes. I understand that.
EDWARDS: Well, we need you to determine what our next course of action`s going to be.
CASEY ANTHONY: OK.
EDWARDS: Really. Not saying you`re in control of the situation. You`re in control of your situation. That being said, I`d like to read you your rights and talk to you. Is that something you`re interested in?
CASEY ANTHONY: I would like to do that on the basis of my attorney, if that`s possible.
EDWARDS: You`d want him there?
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes.
EDWARDS: So if we went up to our office and your attorney was there, you would provide us additional information?
CASEY ANTHONY: I can honestly say that...
EDWARDS: Don`t go into...
CASEY ANTHONY: No, I`m not going to...
EDWARDS: ... any information now because I haven`t...
CASEY ANTHONY: No. I can honestly say that whatever questions you ask, I will consider before I answer anything. I don`t want to be obligated to answer at that moment. I feel that I do have the right, with invoking my right to counsel, that I should be able to speak with my attorney before I provide any sort of answer. I know I have that right as a citizen, suspect or not.
EDWARDS: And you do.
CASEY ANTHONY: It`s my constitutional right, which I`m glad...
EDWARDS: Do you feel that I`ve circumvented that at all?
CASEY ANTHONY: No. Not at all.
EDWARDS: Because I haven`t.
CASEY ANTHONY: I know you haven`t. Exactly. I just wanted to say that this is the first time that I`ve been allowed to have that right throughout this.
EDWARDS: It`s a different -- now, let me -- in your opinion, if that were to occur, do you think Mr. Baez would entertain that, coming down today?
CASEY ANTHONY: Definitely. We have said...
EDWARDS: A possibility today?
CASEY ANTHONY: ... from the very beginning, if law enforcement would like to speak with myself, he would like to be present. I would like to have my attorney present. But we`ve never shied away from that. Not once.
BOLIN: If I were to tell you that I told Mr. Baez myself in the office that day that it was perfectly all right with me and he turned me down, would that surprise you?
CASEY ANTHONY: It wouldn`t to an extent, I think, considering who else was with you that day.
I think -- I remember it being...
EDWARDS: That being who? I`m curious because I wasn`t there.
CASEY ANTHONY: John Allen, Nick Savage, and I think whoever else came with you that day, if it was in the office. I left when you guys came in and spoke to my mom. So there`s -- there`s a certain level of things -- I mean, I`ve only heard certain things from certain people, as you can understand. I haven`t had direct contact and you haven`t, either. I have an open mind when it comes to things. I try to keep an open mind when it comes to things. But if I`m innocent, that`s as far as that goes. And as far as anything else on top of that...
EDWARDS: Let`s...
CASEY ANTHONY: ... I`ll take this as far as I need to to prove my innocence, which I guess is my point in all of this.
EDWARDS: When you say you`ll take it as far as you need to, to prove your innocence, what do you mean?
CASEY ANTHONY: Serving the indictment today and the warrant for my arrest and everything else. I`m not running.
EDWARDS: Well, you have to excuse me for...
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes.
EDWARDS: ... misunderstanding what we just went through.
CASEY ANTHONY: That wasn`t us running. That was us trying to counteract the media from following us down to the jail because our only intention was to take me down to the jail, to surrender me before this happened. That was the only thing we were trying to accomplish. You can ask Mr. Baez. You can ask my mom. You can ask anyone from the office, even my bondsman, who was the driver. That was our only intention today.
EDWARDS: OK. What I`ll entertain you on the formalities here. I just want to read the sheet to you and have you sign it.
CASEY ANTHONY: OK.
EDWARDS: And then you`ve already waived. We`ll just do that again through the formalities--
CASEY ANTHONY: That`s fine.
EDWARDS: --because I like to be as thorough as I can possibly be.
CASEY ANTHONY: I`m fine with that.
EDWARDS: Is that OK with you?
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes.
EDWARDS: Orange County Sheriff`s Office waiver and affidavit form. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be used in court as evidence against you. You`re entitled to talk to an attorney now or have him present now or at any time during questioning. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you without cost. Do you desire to consult an attorney first or have him present during this interview, yes or no?
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes.
EDWARDS: OK, go ahead and mark that. And if at any time -- we`re done.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes.
EDWARDS: You can just cross a line right through that and give me your signature right on that line.
CASEY ANTHONY: If you don`t need me, (INAUDIBLE) currently done?
EDWARDS: And right there. And it is currently 4:22. Now, this is no secret. I have recorded that.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes.
EDWARDS: Not so it would end up on any television show but because I`m thorough.
CASEY ANTHONY: So there`s no question. Exactly.
EDWARDS: No questions. So I can take my recorder (INAUDIBLE) turn it off.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes.
EDWARDS: OK.
CASEY ANTHONY: I expected you to record that anyway.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This seems a little cool (ph). But let me (INAUDIBLE) so if you`ll give me a minute.
CASEY ANTHONY: That`s fine.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And then we`ll get you a phone and we will call your attorney.
CASEY ANTHONY: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK? I`ll sit here with you.
CASEY ANTHONY: All right.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Water?
CASEY ANTHONY: No, thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know if I should apologize for what happened on the highway or not, but...
CASEY ANTHONY: I almost feel like I should, in a sense, but I don`t think -- yes, I know for a fact that he didn`t know. So I don`t think that it was intentional on anybody`s part for any of it, so...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
CASEY ANTHONY: I know that didn`t look good, but I mean, you can understand why...
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) especially when they found out I was a federal agent.
CASEY ANTHONY: Oh.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, really? You`re driving like that around here? Get your ass in my car.
CASEY ANTHONY: Well, we figured, going through the airport, it`s restricted airspace, so they can`t take the helicopters through. And we thought that the cars that were following us from my attorney`s office were media because there was a media van that followed us and another van that went with them. So we`re thinking, Oh (DELETED), here we go. It`s happened before. It happens every day.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know. I know it does. I`d like to make it stop happening, to be honest with you.
CASEY ANTHONY: I would, too.
(LAUGHTER)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, you know what I`ll say to that. I`ve said it to your mom, I`ve said it to your dad, and I`ve said it to your brother even, you know?
CASEY ANTHONY: Well, that was one thing that they all agreed upon was the fact you extended your hand to help. Most people haven`t.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was afraid that some of what I said to them probably offended them because I told them that if I find out something that you don`t want to hear, I`m going to tell you (INAUDIBLE)
CASEY ANTHONY: Well, honestly, they`ll respect that. That`s just, you know, the type of people that they are in the same way.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know they are. But when I hit them with certain things, they don`t hear it. And I understand that.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes, well...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That doesn`t mean I`m not going to say it.
CASEY ANTHONY: Exactly. (INAUDIBLE) police and somebody (INAUDIBLE) and it`s hard sometimes to hear their opinion.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s true.
CASEY ANTHONY: That doesn`t mean that they don`t respect your opinion or the fact that you`re coming forward with what you think or you what you feel, so...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, to some extent, it`s comforting to hear you say that because it was never my intention to piss anybody in your family off. You know, I`m not in it to get a conviction. I get nothing out of it. I get zero.
CASEY ANTHONY: Exactly. You have a job you`re trying to do.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`ve found a few, and it sucks both ways.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes. I agree.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So it is what it is. Where I get sideways with people tends to be when attorneys get involved.
CASEY ANTHONY: I`ve heard most people say that. They don`t like attorneys very much.
(LAUGHTER)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have many family members who are attorneys. I have no problem with attorneys. But I have problems with -- at some point, we have to set aside the rules and we have to find kids. And you know what? So be it. That`s why I told you in the car. You know, if you tell me anything now, I`ll get up and say, yes, I heard it and she`s already invoked and we can`t use any of it. That`s just the way it is. That`s all that matters to me.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you know (INAUDIBLE) another case that I was involved in, you know, they lost a confession. And I sat there and I looked right at the guys that we worked with. I said...
CASEY ANTHONY: That`s not what`s important.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... who cares? We found her. We found her, and he`s going to get what is coming to him. That`s not my job, you know? And it works out in the end. And it works out in the end on all sides, to be honest with you. It may not be comfortable for everybody.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But if I`ve done things that if I get caught for, I`m not going to be comfortable, I can tell you that. That`s just the way life is, you know? But it`s not the end of the road, either. And that`s what we have to keep in mind, it`s not the end of the road.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: On raw video, we see tot mom the day she`s arrested for the murder of her 2-year-old little girl, Caylee, tot mom seemingly more worried about jailhouse cameras than the murder charges she caught in the death of the 2-year-old girl.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CASEY ANTHONY: Just a random question.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sure.
CASEY ANTHONY: Are there cameras in all of the rooms or...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have no freaking clue. I`ve never been in this part of the building.
CASEY ANTHONY: Well, I noticed...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My guess would be yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re going to go get something to drink. Do you want any soda, Mountain Dew, Diet Pepsi?
CASEY ANTHONY: No, thanks.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. I`m fine. Thank you very much.
CASEY ANTHONY: I know my mom...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I would guess yes.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes, that`s what I was thinking, too. My mom wasn`t aware that there was a camera in the room, I guess, when she met with Melich and I forget who else, the big interviews that were released to the media. And she was infuriated. You would think that that`s something that, you know, you should be told. But you don`t have to be.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right. The law is the law.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And I will play within the rules of the law. If it`s a tool that`s available to me that I can use later and look back on and see if I missed something or could I have done something better, I`ll take advantage of it.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes. Exactly.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I would assume that this place probably has one somewhere.
CASEY ANTHONY: (INAUDIBLE) something that records audio. So either way.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. I can tell you, I don`t (INAUDIBLE)
(LAUGHTER)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, they`ll probably be somewhat unhappy when they see my interviews with them. Those haven`t been released yet, but they were on video.
CASEY ANTHONY: Well, it`s just part of the discovery, so...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. It will all come out, you know? But like I said, I have loyalty to one person in every one of these cases, and it doesn`t happen to be anybody I`m interviewing usually.
CASEY ANTHONY: Understandably.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s not a slight on them. (INAUDIBLE) Different people in many different positions, none of which are comfortable. And those things always get in the way that you have on your hands, you know? Such are the rules that we work under.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes. Here`s my question.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sure.
CASEY ANTHONY: I know this is a question that a lot of people have asked. The grand jury and all that is supposed to be secret, but it was released to the media right off the bat. My dad hadn`t even been subpoenaed and that was released. So I just think a lot of that`s kind of funny. And the fact that they invited the media in when they were releasing the decision -- my mom had received a text message from...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Someone (INAUDIBLE) yes.
CASEY ANTHONY: ... someone in the media saying (INAUDIBLE) all of a sudden, they`re going to make the decision. We`re thinking, Are you serious?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: Moments after being indicted for murder one, tot mom obsessed about leaks, her family`s privacy and TV coverage, more concerned about that than the murder of her 2-year-old daughter, her little body found discarded, and all on video.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There are rules. I am quite sure that one of the rules that was followed was that when the decision to indict has been made, that part of it is public.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes, that part`s public.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And they can let the media into the courtroom at that point.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I bet -- this is just my bet. I don`t know what the Florida rules are. I`m more federal stuff, familiar with that. But what I bet is that it was done under seal and there were no names and no official charges probably read aloud. It probably just was, There`s been an indictment received in a case, and that`s it.
CASEY ANTHONY: Well, and the media was out there all day, and they knew about this a week ago that it was going to happen.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
CASEY ANTHONY: So it`s just kind of funny. It`s supposed to be secret, and everything was (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The happenings are secret. What takes place within the room is secret.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes. But as far as when it actually is convened, and you know, pulled together, the witnesses and stuff like that, that`s not also supposed to be secret?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It depends on how they`re subpoenaed.
CASEY ANTHONY: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I mean, if you`re subpoenaed under a regular court order, that`s...
CASEY ANTHONY: My dad was (INAUDIBLE) his attorney, so I`m not quite sure how that came through.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But if the subpoena itself is just a regular federal...
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes, certain things are...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... or a grand jury subpoena, that`s public records.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It doesn`t say what it`s for. It doesn`t say what case it`s in. It just says you`re subpoenaed to appear before the grand jury.
CASEY ANTHONY: Well, with them announcing that, you know, there was going to be a grand jury, and obviously, my name was thrown out and they knew who the grand jury was for.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who threw your name out?
CASEY ANTHONY: The media said that it was from an inside source, meaning here, so -- that`s where they all say (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I can tell you what I think of the media and what I think of people that leak stuff to the media.
CASEY ANTHONY: I think it`s garbage. Yes. I agree.
(LAUGHTER)
CASEY ANTHONY: That`s (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That doesn`t make it any less necessary. Without them -- I`ll be quite honest, without the media, we don`t find a quarter of the kids that we...
CASEY ANTHONY: Oh, I agree. It helps. The exposure has helped bring in so many tips for my daughter.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But at the same time, what it creates is it creates a monster that otherwise isn`t necessary.
CASEY ANTHONY: Exactly.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The tips are what the tips are. If it was the local media only, it would be much easier to work.
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you make it the national media, then you come up with...
CASEY ANTHONY: You get the Nancy Graces...
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You get the tips also that come from Hawaii that say, I saw Caylee. Oh, really? OK. Let me call Hawaii, and let me send...
(CROSSTALK)
CASEY ANTHONY: ... the ones that are a little bit closer.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Those are what I consider local...
CASEY ANTHONY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... because the local stations...
CASEY ANTHONY: It`s in close range.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s contiguous to the state of Florida. That`s not...
CASEY ANTHONY: Well, and people are only getting their information from the Nancy Graces or from "Globe" magazine or "People" or, you know, stuff like that, are you kidding me?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I can say you will not see me sitting down and being interviewed by "People" or "Globe" or anybody else.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
GRACE: Inside tot mom`s murder investigation. Within stacks of secret police files, grainy surveillance video emerges of tot mom the day she`s arrested for murder.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Entree vous, my friend.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That was a long ride without doing that. Got that adrenaline done at the same time?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You don`t even want to know what we`re talking about here. You know.
CASEY ANTHONY, CAYLEE ANTHONY`S MOTHER: I`m just going to let that go.
(LAUGHTER)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re not going to break out, are you? All right. We`re going to call him on my cell phone.
ANTHONY: OK. I know that`s -- yes, that`s not good.
(LAUGHTER)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just slide your hands out.
ANTHONY: I honestly can`t. They`re a little tight.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thanks for entertaining us. Just slide your hands out.
ANTHONY: Actually, if I could, I would have done that for you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you know Baez`s phone number off the top of your head?
ANTHONY: No, I do not.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How can we get his cell number, or his number?
ANTHONY: I know his office number.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What is that?
ANTHONY: 407-705-2626.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you see him out there?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. You want to go speak with him and get me a handcuff key that fits? Do you want? And I`ll make a phone call to Mr. Baez.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You do that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now, once again, where is he?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He should be -- should be in the office talking to the chief.
ANTHONY: I think he needs a map.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a rat maze.
ANTHONY: Yes. He doesn`t know how to get back there.
EDWARDS: I`ve identified myself. You know why you`re in custody.
ANTHONY: Yes.
EDWARDS: And you have -- you`ve signed this. You want your attorney present.
ANTHONY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve had conversations and you`ve agreed.
ANTHONY: Yes.
EDWARDS: Because -- you express that to me again so I have full understanding before I get on the phone with him.
ANTHONY: We have discussed before that we have no problem sitting down together, him and I, and speaking with law enforcement or listening to all the questions that you have and assessing it and then we go from there.
EDWARDS: OK. And that`s -- there`s been no success with that so far?
ANTHONY: Nobody`s taken us up on that.
EDWARDS: So we`re going to open that window right now.
ANTHONY: OK.
EDWARDS: And hopefully we can make something happen. Because ultimately I think we have the same interest.
ANTHONY: Mm-hmm.
EDWARDS: Finding your daughter. Did you say 2626, you said?
ANTHONY: Yes. Thank you. Hey, Ed, it`s Casey. Can you do me a favor and call Jose, or can you give me Jose`s cell phone number so I can call him? Oh, is he? OK. Great. Thanks.
EDWARDS: How long ago was that?
ANTHONY: I was 17. Five years.
EDWARDS: When did you cut your hair?
ANTHONY: Hey. It`s Casey. I`m with Corporal -- Corporal Edwards. I knew the last name. Sorry. I`m at the sheriff`s department if you`d like to come down and to meet with us. Thank you. Yes. OK. Great. Thanks.
EDWARDS: Hello?
ANTHONY: Yes. Give him the information.
EDWARDS: Orange County Sheriff`s Office. Yes. (INAUDIBLE) Yes. We -- Mr. Baez, we`ve Mirandized her, Edwards. This was at 4:22, and she stated that you`ve done a great job. She invoked. And -- but she also said that she -- you know, that her exasperation is the same as ours, you guys have wanted the opportunity to speak with law enforcement face to face. And let`s -- if you guys are interested in doing that, let`s get that done. Quit the finger pointing. OK? All right, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re game on? Game on.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The good-looking young man that just walked in that`s sitting across from you now is Nick Savage.
EDWARDS: How did he get in here?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s from here.
ANTHONY: Anybody else need a drink?
EDWARDS: Went through the formalities of this. Make sure everything is aboveboard. And like I said before, that`s what you`re going to get here. OK? We just would request the same back.
NICK SAVAGE: Do you understand what you`re arrested for today?
ANTHONY: Yes.
SAVAGE: OK.
EDWARDS: May I step out for a minute?
SAVAGE: Absolutely.
EDWARDS: You sure you don`t want anything to drink?
ANTHONY: I`m fine. Thank you.
SAVAGE: Handcuff key. Where are the handcuff key?
(CROSSTALK)
ANTHONY: Oh, man. It`s been a long day.
SAVAGE: It has been.
ANTHONY: How was my dad this morning?
SAVAGE: He had a hard time.
ANTHONY: Yes.
SAVAGE: Honestly.
ANTHONY: (INAUDIBLE) from the media. I got a chance to hear him talking to my mom. I talked to him last night and this morning which is just for a quick second before he left so.
SAVAGE: Yes, I talked to him this morning for a little bit. He was with Mark. And he was really struggling. I mean, you can imagine him having a hard time. You know, he was being called in to essentially provide testimony to indict you.
ANTHONY: Mm-hmm.
SAVAGE: And he was really struggling with that.
ANTHONY: Yes.
SAVAGE: And I felt bad for him, to be honest with you. I truly did.
ANTHONY: I told him last night I know he was subpoenaed and under the law he had to answer whatever questions were asked of him and I told him to do whatever he had to do at that point and if he didn`t he`d be held in contempt of court. I didn`t want to see that happen.
SAVAGE: What did he say?
ANTHONY: He just hugged me and told me that he loved me, and I know he was struggling with it even last night.
SAVAGE: I think it was probably more so this morning.
ANTHONY: Yes. I could see that with the little bit that I saw from the media, from the pictures and the little bit of footage that they had.
SAVAGE: You guys watched it on TV?
ANTHONY: We watched it online a little bit.
SAVAGE: Really?
ANTHONY: Yes. I try to stay away from the TV as much as possible. At least with the Internet I can scroll through, read what I want and then just get rid of it that much faster so.
SAVAGE: Are you anxious about today at all?
ANTHONY: I have been. I mean, this is something honestly we`ve been preparing for from the beginning just because of words that were directly spoken from Yuri Melich and also from Sergeant Allen.
They were saying that this is what they were planning on doing from the very beginning, from that first day. So they wrote me off within the first couple hours.
SAVAGE: I don`t know if that`s true.
ANTHONY: It was the direct words that they pretty much gave to myself and even they said that to my parents. So -- I mean, I`m not trying to say something derogatory toward someone, but.
SAVAGE: Yes. It`s OK. We`re just talking.
ANTHONY: Good.
SAVAGE: We`re just chatting.
ANTHONY: That was the only time they ever made any effort to try to talk to me one on one. And.
SAVAGE: Well, it was kind of difficult.
ANTHONY: It was kind of difficult considering.
SAVAGE: Well, considering, obviously in light of everything that`s going on and the fact that you`ve been arrested for other things makes it a little more difficult to sit down and even talk to you. It`s not that we haven`t wanted to.
ANTHONY: Yes. But I do have counsel, and that`s something that -- you know, my attorney`s always been a phone call away. And it shouldn`t have taken it getting to this point, you know, three months in.
SAVAGE: Has your attorney ever told you that we would like to speak to you?
ANTHONY: And we had agreed, him and I together, that we would all sit down together, him and I and you guys, and you know, we`d entertain whatever questions you have and.
SAVAGE: I actually thought that we made it pretty clear that we wanted to talk to you. I mean, obviously, we can`t come to you and ask you.
ANTHONY: Yes. Understandably.
SAVAGE: Yes. But I thought you that were aware that if you`d wanted to talk to anybody that all you`ve got to do is simply ask.
ANTHONY: Yes. Well, I know it goes both ways on that. And I guess it would have needed to come from me. I should have been the one to, I guess, come forward with it. But, you know, we did open up that door to law enforcement before. When Sergeant Allen was making a big deal, saying, well, we want to talk to her, when can we talk to her, he was saying, well, the door`s open.
SAVAGE: I don`t believe he ever told us the door`s open.
ANTHONY: Maybe not to you directly. But I know to Sergeant Allen. I was sitting there even one of the times that he spoke with him. So I`ve heard the words come out of his mouth even myself to two other people that maybe didn`t either relay the message or simply took it a different way.
So I don`t know. I think the lack of communication has put people in opposite corners when everybody has the same goal, is to find Caylee.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: When we come back, tot mom the day she`s indicted on murder one, all caught on video.
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Moments after her arrest for the murder of her 2- year-old little girl tot mom tells cops Caylee`s still alive, saying over and over that, quote, "She feels it."
But after telling investigators she wants to help, she wants to help find Caylee, to cooperate, to talk to police, well, that never happens. Tot mom even adjusting her hair, her clothing, checking her nails, while she thinks cops aren`t watching.
Does she think they really care about hair and makeup? And of course it`s all caught on video.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SAVAGE: Do you think the matter could have been resolved a little differently?
ANTHONY: Absolutely. In a lot of different aspects. And that`s the conversation that I`ve had not only with my attorney but with my family. So. I mean, we all still feel, I as a mom, I know in my gut there`s a feeling -- as a parent you know certain things about your child, you can feel that connection.
And I still have that feeling, that presence. I know that she`s alive. Whether you have a bucket-load of evidence downstairs that contradicts that and says otherwise or all you have is speculation. Or nothing at all. I mean, whatever it is, if there`s still that chance, with all of these tips that have come through, I know that it`s been speculated how many thousands of tips have come through.
SAVAGE: There`s been a lot.
ANTHONY: There have been a lot. I know. I`ve seen the.
SAVAGE: But you also know how many have been.
ANTHONY: I know that a lot have been discredited. But.
SAVAGE: And (INAUDIBLE). And.
ANTHONY: As every.
SAVAGE: And we have more from speculation.
(CROSSTALK)
ANTHONY: Every lead is followed up. Yes.
SAVAGE: Exactly. We have more from speculation. We have a lot. Or else it wouldn`t lead to this point. A lot.
ANTHONY: Well, I said the same things to them, you know, that they said we`re at the end of a hallway. And I`m thinking if we`re at the end of a hallway there`s two doors. Which door are we going to go through? Or I guess this is, you know, more at this point and.
SAVAGE: We are at this point.
ANTHONY: The final step is which door.
SAVAGE: We are well beyond where we were before.
ANTHONY: Mm-hmm.
SAVAGE: I mean, those issues have gone (INAUDIBLE). And when we referred to being in the hallway, and you`re well aware of what hallway we`re talking about. Do you understand that?
ANTHONY: Well, it`s a question, I guess. You can specify that at this point or you would. Your perspective about that.
EDWARDS: You have a second?
SAVAGE: Absolutely.
EDWARDS: Can we (INAUDIBLE) him in?
ANTHONY: Yes, that`s fine.
EDWARDS: Do you plan on running off?
ANTHONY: I`m not going anywhere.
EDWARDS: Because I got to stretch out (INAUDIBLE), I`m not as young as I used to be. I thought you were going to say something smart.
SAVAGE: No, I was going to ask if that`s your Dr. Pepper or Mountain Dew.
EDWARDS: I actually tried to give it to her and she didn`t want it. Do you want it?
(CROSSTALK)
EDWARDS: Two straws or just.
SAVAGE: Sure.
(CROSSTALK)
ANTHONY: She probably has one, but I`m not going to be with my mom probably. So.
EDWARDS: I`m pretty sure you`re not going to be with your mom when you leave here. We don`t want to mislead you there.
ANTHONY: You`re not misleading me at all.
EDWARDS: If she runs me off the road on the way out of here you may share a car trip.
ANTHONY: That`s why I told my mom to go home and not to come here. She wanted to come here.
EDWARDS: She knew you were coming here eventually.
ANTHONY: I was the one telling her that I was coming here eventually, just from the.
EDWARDS: You had no perception to put the flashers on. I applaud you for that.
ANTHONY: Didn`t know how to put her flashers on. It`s right on the center of part of the flash.
EDWARDS: I`ve done a lot of vehicle takedowns. That was similar to one. It was ridiculous.
ANTHONY: Do you guys help her out a little bit and help whoever was behind her so they wouldn`t hit her.
SAVAGE: I missed that. I missed that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hello again. He`s going to ask you a question. Don`t say anything else other than the answer. OK?
EDWARDS: Casey, based on our conversation today when I read you that form, same thing I said to Mr. Baez over the phone. There`s been numerous requests or requests for opportunities, request for opportunities to speak with us and come to a resolution here. That`s why we brought you here instead of jail. Correct?
ANTHONY: Yes.
EDWARDS: OK. Now, based on your calls for us to call and bring him here, he`s here. So what we`re going to try to do is give you a few minutes somewhere that`s not recorded. No secrets. I told you. This room`s recording. I have to be able to approach my chain and explain why.
But first I need to you tell him in your own words, if you will, that you`d like to take the opportunity to meet with us like you made that request in the past. So is that something you want to tell him?
ANTHONY: I told him the same thing we talked about before, that we would entertain any questions that they have, we would listen and discuss it and if we have something to respond we`ll respond.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Do you want to speak to me in private.
ANTHONY: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: . so we can clarify this?
ANTHONY: Yes.
EDWARDS: OK. Let me get you a room to go to.
(CROSSTALK)
ANTHONY: I`ve been sitting for an hour. Thank you.
EDWARDS: Have a seat. We have a discussion.
ANTHONY: OK.
EDWARDS: That`s settled here.
JOSE BAEZ, CASEY ANTHONY`S ATTORNEY: She knows.
EDWARDS: OK.
BAEZ: I`ll just go ahead and say for the record that`s she`s invoking her right to counsel and at this time wishes to request to go to the jail and be processed.
EDWARDS: And we agreed upon that at 4:22 in the afternoon already?
ANTHONY: Yes.
EDWARDS: That`s why we called him.
BAEZ: I don`t have a problem with that.
EDWARDS: OK. Do you have any questions for me in regards for this? She signed that and we`re good.
BAEZ: No questions.
EDWARDS: OK. Super. We`ll be right with you.
ANTHONY: OK.
EDWARDS: Help yourself to some candy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: : We`re going to take you. We`re going to take you in now, so.
ANTHONY: OK.
BAEZ: They`re going to take you in now so.
ANTHONY: OK.
BAEZ: I`ll visit you if not tonight, tomorrow.
ANTHONY: OK.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
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GRACE: At first tot mom says she wants to cooperate with investigators but quickly changes her tune when her lawyer shows up the day she`s arrested. Tot mom led to a private jail cell where she remains for months. No visits from family or friends once those formal charges comes down.
It leads up to the day she watches live TV coverage of discovery of Caylee`s tiny skeleton, found discarded in dense woods just 15 houses from her own home.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have evidence -- if I have to handcuff you again, you just.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I tell you you need to do something.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What`s that?
ANTHONY: Oh.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why did you wait so many years? Yes, we`ll put her -- I`ll tell you what, actually, you know what? This didn`t work.
(CROSSTALK)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You need this.
ANTHONY: I won`t need that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`ll need that. Take this. And the radio. OK. Let`s head out. After you, ma`am. Make a right.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: As we go to break, a salute to our American heroes. On this Memorial Day, let`s stop and remember Army Captain Mark Resh, 28, Fogelsville, Pennsylvania. Killed, Iraq. On a second tour, awarded a silver star. Air Medal, National Defense Service medal. Army service ribbon.
Lost his life after calling his dad on his 58th birthday. A summa cum laude grad at the University of Pittsburgh. Fort Hood Army Base is naming a building in his honor. He loved soccer, outdoors, brewing his own beer, and the Philadelphia Fliers.
He leaves behind grieving parents Charlie and Carol, brother, Matthew, grandmother, Nancy.
Mark Resh, American hero.
Thank you for being with us and inviting us into your home for this special NANCY GRACE Investigates. And tonight, our hearts and our minds with our American heroes. I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern. Until then, good night, friend.
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