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Coleman Contacted Florida Lover Hours Before Murders
Aired May 29, 2009 - 20:00 ET
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MIKE BROOKS, GUEST HOST: Breaking news tonight in the case of a young mother and her two little sons found strangled in their upscale Illinois home, 31-year-old Sheri Coleman and her two little boys, Garett and Gavin, laid to rest side by side. The prime suspect? Not some stranger who sneaks into the family home in the middle of the night, but it`s the little boys` own daddy, Christopher Coleman behind bars on murder one charges.
Tonight, we obtain bombshell documents from inside secret police files. It`s revealed husband and daddy Chris Coleman reaching out to his Florida girlfriend just hours before the brutal murders. And even more skeletons emerging from Coleman`s closet. We finally learn the identity of Coleman`s mistress and we get to see what she looks like. Sources reveal the former Marine convinced his Florida girlfriend he filed for divorce and planned to marry her early next year. Is it motive for murder?
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: A 31-year-old mother of two is left dead, naked for cops to find in her own bed, the little boys` face purple when the cops got there.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Murderer!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Baby killer!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Murderer!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Chris Coleman had an affair with a woman who went to high school with Sheri. He carried on that affair through the time up to the murders. Investigators went down to Florida shortly after the murders and began interviewing this woman.
GRACE: Sources reveal daddy Chris Coleman convinced his Florida girlfriend he filed for divorce. Not true.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t even know if Sheri knew. She had never complained about any infidelity. Surprise is one emotion. Betrayal is another emotion.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Not only does Coleman say he`s leaving his wife but tells his mistress he will marry her in 2010. And that`s not all. Coleman and his secret girlfriend were making plans for a romantic getaway this summer.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You don`t have to prove motive as a prosecutor. But boy, does it help when you can explain to a jury from a common sense perspective why the defendant committed this crime. It goes a long, long way towards getting you a conviction.
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BROOKS: And tonight, the mystery surrounding the disappearance of 23- year-old mom Stacy Peterson in the Chicago suburbs. Drew Peterson the prime suspect in her disappearance, and he`s finally charged in the drowning death of wife number three.
As we go to air tonight, more bones found in the Des Plaines River just 20 minutes from the Petersons` home. Are these Stacy Peterson`s remains? Murder charges and jail is not slowing Drew Peterson down. He`s still running his mouth, this time calling in to a local radio station to crack jokes, and get this, playing cards with his lawyer behind bars.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does the idea of a conjugal visit with Drew Peterson sound like a joke to you? During a seven-minute phone call from prison, Peterson threw out several one-liners about prison showers and his "bling" handcuffs.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He thought all this was a joke in the very beginning. He probably thought he would never come to see this day. And now that he sees the seriousness of it, he`s no longer laughing.
GRACE: Even from behind bars, Peterson still yakking, calling a local radio station collect.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s a bombshell that`s likely the first of many. Drew Peterson tried to hire a hitman to kill his third wife, Kathleen Savio, for $25,000.
GRACE: Drew Peterson, the prime suspect in wife four`s disappearance, finally charged in the 2004 drowning death of wife three, Kathleen Savio.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Meanwhile, human remains found along that Illinois riverbank last week belong to a man.
GRACE: The bones not the young mother of four. The remains are male, leaving Stacy`s disappearance still a mystery.
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BROOKS: Good evening. I`m Mike Brooks, in for Nancy Grace. A beautiful young mother and her two little sons found strangled in their upscale Illinois home. Tonight, more shocking bombshell documents from inside secret police files.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Inside the house, they found luggage containing a cell phone and a charger. They found a boarding pass for Christopher Coleman.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Chris, did you kill your wife?
GRACE: We confirmed the so-called threatening letters to Coleman and his family typewritten, allegedly hand-delivered to the family mailbox with no postmark.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The contents now revealed. One in January read, "Deny your God publicly or else. No more opportunities. Time is running out for you and your family." A second in late April read, "It is the last warning. I will be watching. Your worst nightmare is about to happen."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Chris, do you have any comment?
GRACE: We also learn husband-slash-daddy keeps a secret P.O. box, apparently unknown to wife and family.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They found a credit card in the house. It sounds like it was still in the envelope. It was in Sheri Coleman`s name, yet it wasn`t sent to the home address, it was sent to that post office box.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anything you want to say about anything?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There were all kinds of things taken from Chris Coleman, including swabs of saliva, fingerprints, and two types of handwriting samples.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Any message at all?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In the bedroom, there were also all kinds of cords, apparently, all over and inside drawers. Some of those were shoelaces which were left on top of the dresser.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve developed information that we believe one person is actually involved in this homicide. We believe that this was not a random act.
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BROOKS: Good evening. I`m Mike Brooks, in for Nancy Grace. Well, tonight we finally find out who the mistress of Chris Coleman is. But is it motive for murder?
Let`s go straight out to Ellie Jostad, producer for the NANCY GRACE show. But before that, we see from "The St. Louis Post-Dispatch" Web site the picture, and it`s her on the right. This is Tara Lintz, the woman in St. Petersburg who we find out is the mistress of Christopher Coleman.
So Ellie, we`ve got 48 new pages in today. Give us the latest.
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Right. Well, last night, our sources were telling us that the girlfriend told cops that Chris Coleman told her he was getting divorced. He was in the midst of a divorce.
BROOKS: Wait, wait! Wait a minute. He was in the midst of a divorce?
JOSTAD: That`s what he told her. Now, she went on to tell the St. Petersburg homicide detectives -- they`re the ones who interrogated her -- she told them this affair had been going back to November `08, that he told her he would be divorced by June 14th of this year and that they would be married by January of next year.
BROOKS: Oh, that`s nice. Boy, this sure sounds familiar. Let`s see, Drew (SIC) Peterson, Amber Frey -- this is just too much. So the clock was ticking. So his drop-dead date, if you will, when he was supposed to get a divorce was when?
JOSTAD: I`m sorry. June 14th of this year.
BROOKS: June 14th of this year. What else did we find in these pages?
JOSTAD: Well, we also found out that Chris Coleman admitted to police that he had had a sexual relationship with this woman. However, he denied he was responsible for the murders. Now, she says that after he`s interrogated by police, he e-mails her from a new e-mail account and tells her about the police interview, tells her that he didn`t do it and he has an alibi.
BROOKS: So -- that he had an alibi. Now, you know what? Correct me if I`m wrong, but Nicole Partin, investigative producer, you know, is that normal to you, that he would just bring it up in casual conversation, I didn`t kill my wife and my two beautiful sons and I`ve got an alibi?
NICOLE PARTIN, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER: Good evening, Mike. Yes, and the strange thing about it is this is just after he has been interviewed by the major case squad. He changes his e-mail address, as if that cannot be connected to him, e-mails this lady in St. Pete and says, I have just been interviewed by the investigators, but I did not commit the crime. I have an alibi.
BROOKS: Yes, I want to bring in Patricia Saunders, our clinical psychologist. Patricia, everything that we`ve heard about this guy -- the writing -- the alleged -- the alleged murder -- the murderer of his wife and two beautiful sons. And we hear about the writing and spray paint on the wall of the house. Now we hear that, you know, brings up in the course of conversation with his mistress, I didn`t kill them but I have an alibi. You know, what is -- what is with this guy?
PATRICIA SAUNDERS, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, it`s an oddly detached way of saying it. Normally, a guy would say, Honey, I had nothing to do with this, it`s horrible. Instead, we get a criminalistic forensic statement. You know, like most criminal psychopaths, they think they`re smarter than everybody else, and they`re really out of step because they can`t empathize with other people.
BROOKS: Well, you know, I tell you, this guy -- this takes the cake. He builds this whole alibi -- and to Marlaina Schiavo, producer for the NANCY GRACE show, what is with -- there`s an e-mail threat that we heard about today also. And that was -- that goes back to when?
MARLAINA SCHIAVO, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, this has to do with Sheri Coleman at this point. This is about FaceBook, her FaceBook account. She actually shut down her FaceBook account because she said she was getting threats. So they think this might be linked to these other threats. They didn`t actually give a timeline, but we know that right before the murders, she closed her account. She also closed it for one other reason, which is kind of odd, and we`re still trying to figure this one out. She said there were changes to her account that were unauthorized by her.
BROOKS: Now, who can change an account? Don`t you have to have a sign-on? I mean, I`m on FaceBook. Don`t you need a sign-on and all that?
SCHIAVO: So yes, you know, Mike, you have to sign on. You need a password. So this person who made these changes either had the password, or perhaps she was logged into some computer that someone else had access to, and then they went in and changed something in her account.
BROOKS: Highly unlikely. Let`s uncage the attorneys, Darryl Cohen, defense attorney out of Atlanta and Midwin Charles out of New York. OK, guys, as we see this evidence mounting up against him, Darryl, what kind of defense does he have?
DARRYL COHEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: He`s got a defense of keeping his mouth completely wide shut, make the state prove every single bit of the case beyond and to an exclusion of a reasonable doubt. And his lawyers have got to make the state prove it. It`s not his job to prove himself not guilty or innocent. It`s their job to prove that he`s guilty. And...
BROOKS: But...
COHEN: Go ahead, Mike.
BROOKS: But it sure looks like, from what -- we`ve been covering this. It sure looks like -- as we get more and more evidence, Midwin Charles, it sure looks like that they`re building one heck of a case against this guy.
MIDWIN CHARLES, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Look, it certainly doesn`t look good. And we all know, Mike, that oftentimes, when women and children are killed, the first person that people tend to look to is the spouse. So it clearly does not look good here. And the fact that there`s a potential motive also doesn`t look good. But we all know that the prosecution doesn`t have to prove motive, but it certainly helps.
BROOKS: And it looks like we might have a motive. We`ll be right back.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He reportedly left his house at around 5:45 AM to go work out at a gym about five miles from the house. And when he returned after calling the police to check on his family, they found the victims inside the bedrooms, all dead. He actually called the local police department on his way back to the house because he was unable to reach her by phone.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For several days now, we`ve been close.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police got evidence that they said was good enough for them to arrest Chris Coleman.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re waiting on some forensic evidence, forensic testimony, different things, and it just all started coming together.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve felt for several days that we knew who was responsible for this crime, and we`re just glad that it came to an end and that we were able to place this suspect under custody.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Think about this manner of death, ligature strangulation. Who does that? Somebody who wants low noise, low mess, no blood, no gunshot residue or anything like that. Imagine how cold and calculated the father would have to be to do that to his kids.
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BROOKS: I`m Mike Brooks, in for Nancy Grace. Well, we finally find out who the secret mistress of Christopher Coleman is in St. Petersburg, Florida. It`s who you see right here, Tara Lintz. Her picture`s on the right. This is from "The St. Louis Times-Dispatch (SIC)" Web site. It just came on as we went to air.
I went to go straight out to the lines. Sheeba from Illinois. Hi, Sheeba.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Mike. My question is, I keep hearing this note was typewritten. I don`t understand that because everybody in their house that I know has a computer with a laser printer.
BROOKS: Right.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You can go to a library. You can go just about anywhere. Why would he use an old-fashioned typewriter?
BROOKS: Well, you know, Sheeba it`s...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`ve got one more thing to say.
BROOKS: Sure.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As far as the credibility of this woman in Florida -- I mean, I think we all know what kind of woman she is to be dating a married man.
BROOKS: Well, you know, Sheeba, I think they`re saying it`s typewritten as opposed to printing or cursive because remember, they took a three-page handwriting sample from him.
But Ellie Jostad, it wasn`t on a typewriter. Was it on a computer? Do you know?
JOSTAD: We`re not sure about that, Mike. I think the way you explained it is right. We don`t -- we just know it wasn`t handwritten.
BROOKS: And what do we know, you know, about the credibility of Tara Lintz? Isn`t she cooperating with law enforcement at this point?
JOSTAD: Yes, as far as we know, she is. And remember, too, after she got this e-mail from Chris Coleman on May 15th or shortly thereafter, right after his police interview, she`s the one who then called the St. Pete homicide detectives back and said, Listen, I got another e-mail from him.
BROOKS: Interesting. I want to go out to Pat Brown, criminal profiler and author of "Killing for Sport." Pat, it seems like this guy -- he said he left his house at 5:45. They`ve got records of when he actually showed up at Gold`s gym. They think that the murder occurred sometime between 3:00 and 5:00 AM. There`s surveillance near a water tower in the community that shows the only road in and out of this community. And now we hear more evidence. Isn`t this guy just -- kind of just leaving too much of a paper trail for police?
PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Well, Mike, would you say, Is he stupid? Yes. I mean, this guy reminds me of somebody who`s decided, I want to commit a crime, so I`m going to write a mystery story, like a mystery novel, and I`m going to follow it through.
And I`ll tell you, if he sent this mystery novel in to publishers, there wouldn`t be one publisher in the U.S. who would buy this novel because they would say to him, Look, guy, this is the stupidest novel we`ve ever read because every piece of evidence is going to lead straight to the guy who committed the crime. They police are going to arrest him in three seconds. No mystery. No suspense. And that`s how he did it. Isn`t that brilliant.
BROOKS: You know, back out to Patricia Saunders, clinical psychologist. Patricia, seemingly -- this was a seemingly solid marriage. Well, we know there was mistress going back to 2008. But they gave the impression to everyone that there was this perfect couple with these two beautiful boys. And apparently, he had never exhibited any kind of violence towards them, from what we`ve heard, seemingly, you know, perfect husband. And then all of a sudden, he just turns and kills his family?
SAUNDERS: Well, he`d obviously been planning this, from what we know, for quite a number of months. But psychopaths don`t have normal attachments. People are things to them. And psychopaths are the ultimate chameleons. They can play the role and they can convince just about everybody. They don`t have to be all that smart to do it. But when something better comes along, then they`re going to discard them like old furniture.
BROOKS: You know, it seems like he did. He just discarded his family, you know, killed them, ligature strangulation. These two boys -- you know, there are so many people out here that wish they had children, me being one of them. And you know -- and he just -- he just kills these -- kills them like they`re nothing, like they`re garbage, gorgeous wife, two beautiful young boys. I just don`t get it, and I probably never will. I - - it`s just ridiculous to me.
I want to go straight out to Dr. David Posey. He`s a medical examiner and forensic pathologist at Glen Oaks Pathology Medical Group out of Los Angeles. Doctor, thanks for being with us. You know, we`ve heard a lot about the time of death, somewhere between 3:00 and 5:00. We`ve heard ligature strangulation. One -- she was -- the wife was found naked, purple, very purple face, dark blue, purple. The two boys, the same. But one of them was a little bit lighter. Is it easy to narrow the time of death down to a two-hour window?
DR. DAVID POSEY, MEDICAL EXAMINER, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: No. You really can`t narrow it down to a two-hour window. The best way you can always estimate time of death is the last time they were seen alive and then when they were found dead. And then the findings, you know, when they are found.
And I think here, knowing that stiffening of the body, called rigor mortis, is already present...
BROOKS: Right.
POSEY: ... in the wife, you can then back up so many hours. We know that rigor begins in the short muscles of the face and the eyelids, and then goes to the longer muscles. So if they`re feeling stiffening in the longer muscles of the extremities, you can probably back up two, three hours. I think she was found around 7:00. You can back that up three hours, that puts you about 5:00, 3:30 in the morning. That would be a pretty good estimate to when the death occurred. And of course, you know, the deep purple color of the faces, that goes along with asphyxia, you know, the lack of oxygen to the head and the brain.
BROOKS: Well, you know, it`s just we`ve got a lot of other evidence I want to talk to you about.
But tonight`s "Case Alert," the desperate search for a 15-year-old Florida girl in extreme danger, Julie Rivkees last seen at her Winter Park home May 18th and the Orlando International Airport on May 20th. The teenager in need of prescription medication left behind at home. She`s 5- 5, 120 pounds, with long brown hair and brown eyes, last seen wearing jeans, a baseball cap, hooded sweatshirt, and a black purse. If you have any info into this critical missing person, please call Casselberry Police, area code 407-262-7606.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... Chris Coleman had an affair with a woman who went to high school with Sheri and was Sheri`s friend and that he carried on that affair through the time up to the murders. We know that investigators went down to Florida shortly after the murders and began interviewing this woman and many of the people close to her.
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BROOKS: I`m Mike Brooks, in for Nancy Grace, and we`re taking your calls live. In fact, straight out to the phones. Tina from Canada, thanks for calling.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Mike. I love your show. I love Nancy, as well.
BROOKS: Thank you, Tina.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re welcome. Two questions, Mike. The first one is about Chris Coleman. What I don`t understand is, he was dumb enough -- you know, not that he`s being -- getting caught, but he`s dumb enough -- is he crazy enough to plead insanity at the rate that he is going now? Because they`re discovering evidence bit by bit. And the second thing is, you know, I understand he was having an affair. And when people have affairs, they kill the wife. But why the kids? That would be for the psychotherapist.
BROOKS: Yes, first of all, to the insanity defense. Midwin Charles, I don`t think he has an insanity defense because it shows so much pre- planning. Do you agree?
CHARLES: That`s exactly right. I mean, I think with an insanity defense, typically, a defendant has to basically show that they didn`t know the difference between right or wrong at the time the murder occurred. And here you have someone who I don`t believe has any history of mental instability, taking any medication for any problems what so have you. Those are typically the best defendants who an propose a defense of insanity, and I don`t think that`s likely here.
BROOKS: Clinical psychologist Patricia Saunders, quickly, why kill the kids?
SAUNDERS: Like Susan Smith, they`re in the way. They don`t have normal attachments.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... make sure that whoever did this does not have one scintilla, not one thin dime out of this tragedy.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: An attorney representing Sheri Coleman`s mother and brother was in that location today, in the crime scene, and he said he saw in the downstairs living room the words "F you bitch," below it the word "punished."
RAY GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: The killer was awful familiar with the layout of the house. The killer brought with him or her paint, potentially gloves, used very careful and directed words. This is a targeted message, a series of targeted messages and very personalized.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know, it`s very typical of batters, husbands, and I`m not saying he did it, we don`t know yet, but husbands who want to control their wives to watch them a lot, to monitor them in an obsessive way.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Disturbing, disturbing. There`s no other word for it. This is a high-profile case, and these clues are just disturbing any way you go, and they`re indicting.
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MIKE BROOKS, GUEST HOST: I`m Mike Brooks in for Nancy Grace.
I want to go straight out to Marc Klaas. He`s president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation. And as always, Marc, thanks for being with us.
MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Sure thing, Mike.
BROOKS: You know, there was a number of days from the time of the murder -- of the murder, of the alleged murders that Chris Coleman committed, there was some time in between. During that time, as you look back, was he acting like the grieving husband and father?
KLAAS: No. Not at all. I mean, while he`s e-mailing his girlfriend, he`s refusing to contact her family. He tells them that he will give them -- let them take the bodies up to Chicago for a showing and then changes his mind about that.
It`s so incredibly dismissive. And really what this guy has done is he`s created the ultimate betrayal and he has destroyed lives in his family and in his wife`s family, many of whom will never recover. They`ve lost their beautiful daughter. They`ve lost their grandchildren.
It`s just unbelievable. This is probably one of the most odious characters that`s ever been profiled on this show.
BROOKS: And Darryl Cohen, you know, with all his actions, and now we hear about the mistress, how is this going to play to a jury?
DARRYL COHEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It`s not going to play well for him, Mike. What he`s going to end up is we`re talking about not little pieces of evidence. We`re talking about chunk after chunk after chunk. And every single one of those chunks has been brought upon him by himself.
If this goes to a trial by jury, I think he`s toast. I don`t care who represents him. I think he`s toast. And he ought to be.
BROOKS: Midwin, you agree?
MIDWIN CHARLES, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Absolutely. Absolutely. Because all those jurors need to hear is this potential motive that we`re talking about here, which is, you know, a mistress in the background. And that`s it. That`s it. He`s gone.
BROOKS: Yes, he`s toast. He`s done. Put a fork in him.
Back out to the lines, Valerie from Louisiana. Thanks for staying with us.
VALERIE, CALLER FROM LOUISIANA: Thank you, Mike. I have a two-part question.
BROOKS: Sure.
VALERIE: Why was Mr. Coleman`s parents taking stuff out of the house when actually they were interfering with a crime scene?
BROOKS: Nicole Partin.
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NICOLE PARTIN, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER, COVERING STORY: Yes. We know that at that point police and authorities had finished at the home, and we do have neighbors who say that Chris along with family members came into the home with a trailer. They removed toys, the trampoline, boxes and tubs full of belongings from the house.
We don`t know why. We don`t know where they took them. But we do know in fact that he came into the home. We also know that while he was there he removed a memorial that neighbors and friends had planted outside the home.
BROOKS: Removed a memorial. What a.
PARTIN: Right.
BROOKS: What a heartless -- and this is before he got locked up.
Marc Klaas, back out to you. You know, there are mementos that I`m sure her family wanted. But this narcissistic -- what do you think about this? It`s just wrong.
KLAAS: Of course it is, Mike. And I`ve been talking to a lot of parents lately of murdered children or children that died before their times, and it`s almost impossible for them to even go into the bedrooms or to let go of anything because really there`s nothing left. They`re gone. And all they`ve got left are mementos.
They`ve got fading photographs. They`ve got clothes that are out of date but they can`t touch. You don`t go and remove little memorials.
BROOKS: Yes.
KLAAS: You covet those kinds of things.
BROOKS: Exactly. I want to go back out to Ellie Jostad, producer for THE NANCY GRACE SHOW.
Ellie, we`ve heard today, we`ve heard now that Christopher Coleman is alleging that there were also some threats to his co-workers. What do we know about that?
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Right. Well, apparently, when he got that threatening letter in April, he went to the cops and then he said that other employees of Joyce Meyer Ministries had also been threatened.
He even went so far as to provide a list of names of people that he thought might be responsible for the threats.
BROOKS: And you know, responsible for the threats. So he was already setting up. The other guy did it defense. Right there.
Back out to Marlaina Schiavo, also a producer for THE NANCY GRACE SHOW. Marlaina, at the Grace Church, at the memorial service, there`s a video system in that church, and there was a guest book that police seized. What can you tell us about that?
MARLAINA SCHIAVO, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Well, we know that Grace Church, which is Chris Coleman`s father`s church.
BROOKS: Right.
SCHIAVO: He`s the pastor at that church. He -- they have this -- they seized the surveillance because they want to see the people that were at the memorial and the funeral for Sheri Coleman and the two boys from May 8th and May 9th is when they seized the video.
And they want to see -- it`s sort of relating back to these threats. They want to kind of try to link this up a little bit and see if there`s anything going on there. I mean, obviously, if this family was being stalked, then they want to see are they still being stalked? I mean is he still being stalked? So that`s what this is all about.
BROOKS: But Pat Brown, this sounds like it`s all of a fabrication, just building his alibi, if you will.
PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER, AUTHOR OF "KILLING FOR SPORT": Well, the problem, Mike, I think for a psychopath is that they`ve got to come up with a story they think works and they tend to lean on what they know.
Well, Coleman worked for Joyce Meyer. I`m sure he has experienced her -- Joyce Meyer getting threats. He knows how that would work. Because anybody who`s in the public eye and in the media all have had stalkers at one point in time.
So he goes, oh, look, that`s what I can use because I`ve seen it, now I`ll use it. But the silly thing about it, big red flag for me is.
BROOKS: Yes.
BROWN: Who the heck would stalk him? I mean, he`s a security guard for somebody else who`s famous. Why would you go after a security guard? So right there he`s -- as a psychopath he`s not putting how other people see it. He`s only putting it in his own little mind that this would work.
BROOKS: Back out to Ellie Jostad. Ellie, in one of the messages from this person, it said something about a trip to India. Was there a trip to India? What do we know about that?
JOSTAD: Yes, there was, actually. It`s the letter he received on January 2nd. In there it said, "Have a good time in India," and then "mf- er." Actually, there was a conference that Joyce Meyer did in Bangalore on January 15th through the 18th. So there is a connection there.
BROOKS: Very interesting. So again, it sounds like just more of his fabrication, putting together his alibi. This guy is one piece of work.
I want to go back out to Dr. David Posey, medical examiner and forensic pathologist with the Glen Oaks Pathology Medical Group. Doctor, they took some swabbings. I want to read real quick. They did some swabbings of his right hand and two swabbings of a reddish injury on his right forearm.
What would they be looking for?
DR. DAVID M. POSEY, MEDICAL EXAMINER, GLEN OAKS PATHOLOGY MEDICAL GROUP: Well, Mike, what they`re looking for is DNA evidence. They`re looking for transfer that would have come from one of the bodies, one of the decedents. And if they can, you know, match that up that`s going to be another good piece of solid scientific evidence that will tie him to the crime.
If nothing comes up, at least they`ve tried to look for something that`s there. And a lot of times they will get transfer. It`s easy to transfer skin samples, especially in an assault situation where you have a perpetrator that ends up causing someone`s death.
BROOKS: And also, I mean, with the reddish marks being a former FBI evidence response team member myself and working cases like this, wouldn`t they also possibly, if it looked like a bite mark, couldn`t they possibly get some saliva, some good DNA like that?
POSEY: Mike, exactly. That`s 100 percent correct. And they`re going to also be looking at the pattern. Is there a pattern of a scratch mark, a bite mark, as you projected, anything of that nature? And if saliva, DNA, whatever they can find will help tie that then back to the decedents, provided it`s part of their body that`s been transferred onto him.
So I think that`s some very good evidence that`s on this alleged perpetrator that might tie the whole case together.
BROOKS: Absolutely. Along with buccal swabs for DNA, comparative DNA. Head hair, fingernail clippings. They took the scissors, the clippers. Everything else. And I guarantee you they also, on Sheri, as evidence technicians moved her, before they moved her body, they most likely bagged her hands in case there was any DNA under her fingernail marks because a lot of time there will be defensive wounds possibly too on her from her attacker.
But tonight`s "Case Alert." A pizza delivery man helped rescue a 24- year-old woman kidnapped while jogging in Atlanta. The female jogger taken to a remote cabin in Tennessee, where she was bound and sexually assaulted.
When the 46-year-old suspect, David Jansen, decides to order a pizza, the delivery man sees the victim tied up, then calls the police. Jansen facing aggravated kidnapping and rape charges.
Great job, heads up to the pizza guy.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Badly decomposed human remains found near the area where Peterson`s fourth wife, Stacy, is believed to have disappeared.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: State police removed the remains by boat five hours after a river cleanup crew came across the badly decomposed body along the side of the Des Plaines River.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I sat there for like 10 minutes just trying to figure out if it was what I thought it was. I just found a body. Working and saw it and called state police, and they were here real quick.
We worked with them all -- pretty much all day and helped them and used our boats to shuttle all the law enforcement agencies and all the different personnel. There was so many people here.
I don`t know who it is. But I know that there was a lot of focus on it. Do you know what I`m saying? I hope it brings closure to somebody`s life, whoever it is, and families. I`m sure it will in some regard.
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BROOKS: I`m Mike Brooks in for Nancy Grace.
Well, back to Drew Peterson. The man who never met a camera nor a microphone that he couldn`t resist. He calls in to a radio station. Take a listen to this.
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DREW PETERSON, HUSBAND OF MISSING STACY PETERSON: Hey, Mancow.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
PETERSON: I know we can`t do the "Date with Drew" anymore.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
PETERSON: But I`m thinking what we should do is like win a conjugal visit with Drew. Let`s do that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What a. Oh, my. How`s the food, Drew?
PETERSON: Well, the food`s different. I didn`t understand why they had seat belts on the toilet until after I had a couple of meals here. So.
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BROOKS: Unbelievable. That`s Drew Peterson`s jailhouse interview from WLS AM Radio. That guy, just -- shut your mouth. We don`t want to hear it. What, does he think he`s going to be doing comedy stand-up routines for the other prisoners in the Will County jail?
Straight out to Kathi Chaney, reporter for the "Chicago Defender." Kathi, what`s the latest with this guy?
KATHY CHANEY, REPORTER, CHICAGO DEFENDER: Like you said, he just deals with his situations with comedy. His attorney, Joel Brodsky, said he`s pretty much bored. He can`t routinely maintain his mustache and nose hairs.
So you know, he just deals with comedy. He calls in to the radio show. He makes the jokes. And now, you know, some of the residents in the county are calling saying is he getting special treatment?
BROOKS: Well, you know what? That`s a great question. And we have just the guy who can answer that question of whether or not he`s getting special treatment.
Joining us, very special guest, joining us from Joliet, Illinois by phone is Sheriff Paul Kaupas from the Will County Sheriff`s Office.
Sheriff, thanks for being with us.
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SHERIFF PAUL KAUPAS, WILL COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE, ON THE CASE: Good afternoon.
BROOKS: OK. There`s the question. Is he getting any special treatment?
KAUPAS: Not at all. The institution we have is the pod system. It`s not the linear cells. He`s presently being held in medical by himself. He sees no other inmates. And the day room he has outside his cell is a TV and a telephone, and it`s got tinted glass. He can`t see out. We can only see in.
BROOKS: Now, you say he`s in medical. So that basically means he`s in segregated confinement, doesn`t mix with the other inmates, correct?
KAUPAS: Correct. Correct.
BROOKS: Now how often does he get to come out and he can use the phone? Can he just dial somebody up?
KAUPAS: He`s got a schedule. I don`t know what his schedule is, where he`s at. He is by himself. So his schedule lets him out of his 8 by 10 cell into a day room. At that time if he wishes to call anybody collect and they accept charges, he can talk to them for exactly 20 minutes before the phone cancels itself.
BROOKS: So he calls up this radio station. Now how did he get the number? Did he dial 411 first? I seriously doubt it.
KAUPAS: No, I doubt it. I think probably his attorney made the arrangements, gave him the number, at which time he did so.
BROOKS: Mr. Joel Brodsky, who we`re talking about.
KAUPAS: Yes.
BROOKS: Now out to Derek Armstrong. What do we know about a motion today in court that basically says Joel Brodsky, he was visiting Drew and he was playing cards during a contact visit?
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DEREK ARMSTRONG, AUTHOR, DREW PETERSON EXPOSED, INTERVIEWED DREW PETERSON: Yes. In the motion, basically, which was designed to restrict visiting, the -- William Glasgow`s motion said that he was just playing cards there with his lawyer anyway.
I actually talked to Joel Brodsky today to ask him about that, and he laughed and said basically, "I`d been visiting people in jail for 25 years and you have to put them at ease, so I played cards with him and talked about the case."
BROOKS: Sheriff, is that normal? Attorneys coming in and playing cards?
KAUPAS: No. Normally, we have no face-to-face interviews with inmates and visitors. We have a separate building, which is what we call video visitation. They see their loved ones on a monitor, and they talk to them on the telephone.
BROOKS: Great.
KAUPAS: But I was given a court order to have attorneys come in and see him face to face. That`s why the Glasgow`s office said -- made a motion today to amend that because the original motion gave six attorneys daily visits.
BROOKS: Oh, nice. So.
KAUPAS: And I didn`t want that.
BROOKS: Yes, no, no. Joel Brodsky, attorney slash buddy, card- playing buddy. I can`t believe that. You know you can`t make this stuff up, folks.
I want to go straight out to Rupa Mikkilineni, producer for THE NANCY GRACE SHOW. Rupa, what do we know about additional bones found along the Des Plaines River today?
RUPA MIKKILINENI, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: That`s right, Mike. As you know, last week we had a torso found that fell on the banks of this river, Des Plaines River in Shanahone. But we now know that that torso is a male body, not Stacy Peterson.
But more bones have come -- they`ve come across more bones along the same bank about 300 to 500 feet away from the torso. They do not know if these bones are related to that torso found.
BROOKS: But we do know that they`re human remains?
MIKKILINENI: That`s correct.
BROOKS: OK. Thank you very much.
And now, "CNN HEROES."
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ANNOUNCER: This is "CNN Heroes."
SUZAN LAKHAN BAPTISTE, DEFENDING THE PLANET: In Trinidad people hunt the turtles for primarily their meat. Twenty years ago the beach was heavily riddled with rotten turtles. The sands of the beach was terrible. I felt that was wrong, and I said, you know, we need to do something.
I am Suzan Lakhan Baptiste. My goal is to protect endangered leatherback turtles. I actually came out here nightly and patrol the beach. There with the people of (INAUDIBLE), we think that the turtles to nest. I was very vigilant and I will tell people this is protected species.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I started hunting turtles with my father. Susan brought around the change. They don`t kill turtles anymore because of the visitors.
BAPTISTE: Today it`s so much better. You want to come (INAUDIBLE) the turtle. Now we are creating sustainable livelihood to (INAUDIBLE) using these very turtles.
The passion that I feel, it burns me up and I have seen the fruits of our labor. This is a leatherback turtle that we will be viewing. The leatherback is one of the largest of the seven marine species.
Our goal is to make this a model for other countries. When I got started a lot of people thought I was crazy, but I love being crazy. You know? Totally environmentally crazy.
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BROOKS: And now a look back at the stories making the rest of the headlines this week.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just unsealed court records reveal what investigators found in the Coleman murder case. According to this search warrant, it says investigators found orange bailing twine on the side of westbound I-255.
NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news in the murders of 31-year-old mother of two Sheri Coleman and her two little boys ages 9 and 11, all found strangled to death, ligature strangulation, in their own home.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Walls on the first floor of the home, covered in red spray paint. Upstairs, Sheri Coleman on her own bed naked face down. The two little boys also dead in their bed.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The big question tonight who is it? State police removed the remains by boat five hours after a river cleanup crew came across the badly decomposed body along the side of the Des Plaines River.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This should not be released. It simply said as I can put it, the media frenzy in this case has painted her in a false light. The release of this videotape will undoubtedly have a media (INAUDIBLE) into it.
GRACE: I`m not sure of where she was when she was (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was a common area, and that in and of itself in my mind defeats this claim that there was some violation of her right to privacy. I mean, where was she? She`s in the Orange County Jail, for heaven`s sake.
GRACE: And let me point out not too delicately, Mr. Sheaffer, that she`s in jail. They can watch her take a poop if they want to.
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BROOKS: Tonight, let`s stop to remember Army Specialist Jonathan Chism, 22, from Gonzalez, Louisiana. He was a Boy Scout who loves sky diving, rock climbing, LSU football and motorcycles.
His favorite music was country and heavy metal. He leaves behind grieving parents Elizabeth and Danny, sister Julie and brothers Eric and Dennis.
Jonathan Chism, a true American hero.
Thank you to all our guests and you at home for being with us. See you tomorrow night. 8:00 p.m. sharp Eastern. And until then, stay safe.
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