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Michael Jackson's Last Will; U.S. Troops Launch Offensive in Afghanistan
Aired July 01, 2009 - 20:00 ET
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CAMPBELL BROWN, CNN ANCHOR: (voice-over): Tonight: the latest facts in the Michael Jackson investigation, the pop star's will revealed just hours ago.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have absolutely no -- no reason to believe that there is going to be any custody challenge.
BROWN: Katherine Jackson gets the kid, Diana Ross named as a backup, the ex-wife, Debbie Rowe, cut out altogether, and no mention of Joe Jackson at all.
We have the details.
Plus, the questions we want answered: Did the doctor give Michael Jackson a dangerous sedative.
CHERILYN LEE, REGISTERED NURSE: "Look, this medication is not safe. I don't know who is telling you that this is safe. It isn't."
BROWN: Could one of his doctors be criminally liable for Michael's death?
Also, the last rehearsal, the photographer who shot the pictures of Michael's final appearance on stage.
He was very upbeat. He was enjoying himself. He was in rare form.
BROWN: How did the pop star fool so many people around him about his health?
And the South Carolina soap opera. Governor Mark Sanford just doesn't seem to know the meaning of TMI. First, he said this.
GOV. MARK SANFORD (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: I have been unfaithful to my wife.
BROWN: Then game a cringe-inducing interview. He called his girlfriend his soul mate. Now he says he's trying to fall back in love with his wife. Can anything Mark Sanford from himself?
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ANNOUNCER: This is your only source for news. CNN prime time begins now. Here's Campbell Brown.
BROWN: Hi, there, everybody.
Lots of rumors swirling about Michael Jackson tonight. We're trying to celebrate the facts from the fiction for you. But we're going to begin, as always, with the "Mash-Up."
It is, of course, our look at all the stories making an impact right now and the moments you may have missed today. We're watching it all, so you don't have to.
Breaking news right now to start off with out of Afghanistan tonight, American troops launching a major new offensive against the Taliban, the largest push since the Obama administration surge began earlier this year.
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BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: A release, a press announcement just coming out within the last few minutes that says about 4,000 U.S. Marines are involved in this combat operation in the Helmand River Valley of southern Afghanistan.
This is ground zero now for the war in Afghanistan. The major goal of the troops, the major goal of U.S. combat is to get the Taliban out of that Helmand River Valley, get them out of the towns and villages, separate the Taliban from the people who live there.
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BROWN: A senior Pentagon official calling the size and scope of the new separation very significant.
In the parallel universe that is the Michael Jackson story, the pop star's will became public today and along with it new revelations about who got left what and who got left out.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tonight, Jackson's will. Michael Jackson's intentions for his estate and his children are made public.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's a simple will that in just five pages, paragraphs initialed "M.J.," makes certain Jackson's wishing are clear.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Made public today, it gives all of Jackson's assets estimated at more than $500 million to the Michael Jackson Family Trust.
DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: "If any of my children are minors at the time of my death, I nominate my mother, Katherine Jackson, as guardian of the persons and estates of such minor children. If Katherine Jackson fails to survive me or is unable or unwilling to act as guardian, I nominate Diana Ross as guardian of the person and estates of such minor children." UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Once dubbed the female entertainer of the century Diana Ross is a longtime friend of Jackson. She even starred with him in "The Wiz." But, at 65, her relationship to Jackson's children is unclear.
SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: His father goes unmentioned and his ex-wife, Debbie Rowe, is cut out altogether.
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BROWN: Well, we're pretty sure that is not the end of that story. Nothing ever quite so simple in Jackson world, which explains the media's all day tap-dance on Jackson's final resting place today.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Five days after Michael Jackson's death, the family still has not finalized burial plans.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you know anything about the -- any funeral arrangements or...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, but I can't tell you until it's announced.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: People are anticipating that there's going to be some kind a memorial, a public memorial possibly here at the Neverland Ranch.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Any kind of public viewing or memorial for Michael Jackson would likely now be pushed back some time into the weekend. But for fans it doesn't matter. They're already headed to Neverland just in case.
JACK CAFFERTY, CNN ANCHOR: There were plans for a 30-car motorcade to carry Jackson's remains from Los Angeles to Santa Barbara County tomorrow.
RICK SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR: You had heard reports yesterday that it was going to happen Friday and that it was probably going to happen at the Neverland Ranch. Now, we understand that that may change.
MALVEAUX: The Jackson family issued a statement disputing reports that there will be a public viewing of Jackson's body at his former home.
DAVID SHUSTER, MSNBC ANCHOR: What about the memorial service? What's the latest on that?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, boy, you had to ask.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Plans on a memorial service...
(LAUGHTER) UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I mean, if I really knew, I would be up for a promotion right now.
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BROWN: And just to make it crystal clear, as of, well, right now, we don't know where Michael Jackson will be buried and we don't know when. We are going to have much more on the story coming up, including new information about the drugs that he may have been using.
President Obama today selling the soap on health care. His town meeting in Virginia heavy on details, but the main message pretty simple. Don't freak out, people. This won't hurt a bit.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Don't let people scare you out of reforming a system that we know is not working.
We just can't be scared.
So, don't be scared.
But don't tell me that we can't get this done.
We're going to make it happen this year.
I am going to keep on pressing until we get it done this year.
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OBAMA: All right.
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BROWN: A CNN/Opinion Research poll out today shows the country roughly divided on the president's plan. And most people worry it would make their health care costs go up.
Now to love-struck South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford. It seems his fellow Republicans are getting a little sick of the Dear Abby act. And their patience is wearing thin.
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SANCHEZ: This story is just a head-shaker. Add U.S. Senator Jim DeMint to the ranks of those in South Carolina who are leaning on Republican Mark Sanford, the governor there, to get gone.
SEN. JIM DEMINT (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: I have my concerns whether or not he can continue.
When you build your whole political foundation on principles, and then you violate your own, that's rough.
CHUCK TODD, NBC NEWS POLITICAL DIRECTOR: I want to throw up a couple of numbers at you, the mounting pressure Sanford is facing. As of late today, 14 out of the 27 Republican state senators say he should resign. That's a majority of the entire Republican Senate caucus there.
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BROWN: Today, the governor backed out of a pledge to release personal financial records proving he didn't visit his mistress on the taxpayers' type. His spokesman says Sanford doesn't want to discuss personal matters with the media anymore.
Good plan, Governor.
So, some amazing video to share with you right now, a daring rescue -- this is in surging waters -- and a good samaritan who rose to the challenge.
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BRIAN WILLIAMS, ANCHOR, "NBC NIGHTLY NEWS": Dramatic pictures from Iowa, where two people fell in the Des Moines River yesterday after the boat capsized. One of them died. But watch this rescue.
This is a construction worker, not a member of a fire rescue unit. He's just a guy who was on the job yesterday, and he does it just on brute strength alone while dangling from a crane. The woman, thankfully, is in stable condition.
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BROWN: Unbelievable there.
And, as always, the punchline now. I have to say the Comedy Central guys have a leg up this week. Their competition is in reruns. So, tonight's winner, Stephen Colbert, who seemed sorry to see that Minnesota race come to an end.
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STEPHEN COLBERT, HOST, "THE COLBERT REPORT": Coleman still had options. He could have appealed to the Supreme Court, then the world court, then Frank McCourt.
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COLBERT: And I'm sure -- I'm sure the mullahs in Iran could have come up with a different ballot count.
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COLBERT: Well, predictably, folks, predictably, Al Franken was quick to arrogantly gloat.
AL FRANKEN (D), MINNESOTA SENATOR-ELECT: I received a very gracious call from Senator Coleman a little while ago. He wished me well. I wished him well. And we agreed that it is time to bring this state together.
COLBERT: What a (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
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BROWN: Lovely. And that is the "Mash-Up."
Tonight's big question coming up next, who will get all of Michael Jackson's money? We have a closer look at his will.
And the pop star allegedly begging for a powerful and dangerous sedative in the days before his death. Did he ultimately get his hands on the drug? And did that kill him? We're knocking down rumors tonight, focusing on facts, the very latest in the investigation.
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MICHAEL JACKSON, ENTERTAINER: This is it. I mean, this is really it. This is the final -- this is the final curtain call. OK?
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BROWN: Breaking news tonight.
As we are focusing on the facts, not rumors in the Michael Jackson investigation, one rumor we can knock down tonight, the suggestion that Jackson's ex-wife, Debbie Rowe, is not the mother of his two oldest children.
Rowe has put out a statement calling that rumor hurtful and insidious and insisting she is the biological mother of Jackson's two oldest children.
Now to tonight's first big question: What exactly is in this will? And here's what we have learned today. The entire estate goes into a trust. Michael's mother, Katherine, named guardian of his children. Diana Ross is named secondary guardian. Debbie Rowe gets nothing. And no funeral instructions are given.
Here now to help us sort out all of this and talk a little bit more about who is in, who is out, in Los Angeles once again, Jim Moret, former CNN anchor and chief correspondent for "Inside Edition," joining us. Roger Friedman is editor of showbiz411.com. Also joining me, CNN senior legal correspondent Jeffrey Toobin as well from Washington.
Welcome, everybody.
Jeff, let me start with you. You -- you got into this. You -- you took a look at this.
In your view, what is your headline here? JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SENIOR ANALYST: Well, the headline is that all of his money goes into the trust. The answer is, who gets the money from the trust?
And the answer appears to be, although the trust documents are not included, that his three children get the money. Katherine, his mother, gets the money. And no one else in the family, except in a few minor ways, Tito's children, his brother Tito's children, and couple other relatives, they are the only people who appear to get any money from the will.
BROWN: And, Jeff, it says or he says in the will that he wants his mother to be the guardian of the children. Does that mean that is basically a done deal, that this is over, the kids will stay with her?
TOOBIN: No. It means probably she will get the -- the children. A judge has to approve that.
Always, when it comes to custody, a judge has to approve. Since it doesn't appear that there are any other reasonable candidates to become custodians of the children, it appears that Katherine will. But it's not automatic. A judge has to approve.
BROWN: And, Roger, the executors of the will -- you have been looking into this -- they would be the ones who actually control the estate. And based on your reporting, it seems like, unlike a lot of other cases involving Michael Jackson, he had really good people working on this, right?
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ROGER FRIEDMAN, EDITOR, SHOWBIZ411.COM: Yes.
It's very interesting, because a lot of people who worked with Michael at the beginning of his career who were terrific and hung in there for a long time and then left, they all came back sort of in the last few weeks. It's a very strange thing. No one can figure it out. It's a little "Twilight Zoney."
But, you know, John Branca was Michael's lawyer in the '80s. He put him into the Beatles catalogue. He took very good care of him for over 20 years. And just recently he came back into Michael's life. He is the executor because he drew up that will in 2002.
John Branca is terrifically well-known in the music business. He's with MusiCares, the Grammy foundation. Joel Katz is one of the most respected lawyers in the music business. He represents William Nelson and Jimmy Buffett and lots of great stars. He's the lawyer for the Grammy Awards.
So, these executors and trustees are really very, very solid. And, for the first time in years, Michael was lined up to have this great team going into his tours in London. So, it's kind of ironic.
BROWN: Jim, let me ask you. You heard Jeff give his take on sort of where the money is going to go at this point. Do we know specifically other family members? Or did you have the same take on it, that it sounds like it's really just his kids, his mom, Tito's children on some level?
JIM MORET, CHIEF CORRESPONDENT, "INSIDE EDITION": It's pretty straightforward and pretty simple.
We don't know what the trust says, because those doctors have not been made public. And they don't really have to be made public. But I have to agree with Roger as well. John Branca is also the guy who got Michael Jackson and his Beatles catalogue combined with the Sony catalogue.
You're talking about very smart guys who are really -- they really have one interest with this trust. And that is to grow it. What they have to do is figure out how much money the estate actually has, what the bills are, kind of work it all out.
You know the spending has stopped.
BROWN: Right.
MORET: You know that the value of the estate is continuing to grow. If you look at the record sales, it looks like nine out of the top 10 records this week could be Michael Jackson, maybe 10 out of 10. And then you also have the name and likeness of the estate, which, as in Elvis Presley's, Elvis' estate just sold name and likeness for about $100 million.
BROWN: Wow.
MORET: You could have a situation similar to that with this case.
BROWN: Jim, let me also ask you, we have heard a million different things about a possible memorial service, funeral today. What is the bottom line? What do we actually know at this point?
MORET: Ah, it's deja vu. You asked me yesterday, do you think this is going to happen on Friday? And I got yelled at by some colleagues because I said, no, I don't. I thought it was insanity.
We have heard the Coliseum bandied about. But one person with the Coliseum was quoted this afternoon as saying, nobody has called us. That's exactly what we heard the sheriff's department in Santa Barbara say. We have heard about the Staples Center. The problem is, that appears to be booked.
I think, honestly, Campbell, if you see at this situation and now you see that you have a will, and you have executors, this is not just a family decision. It's also a money decision.
BROWN: Right.
MORET: Because somebody is going to have to pay for this. And if you look how much it's going to cost, that may...
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FRIEDMAN: Campbell, can I interject here for a second?
BROWN: Yes, by all means.
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FRIEDMAN: I don't mean to cut off Jim, because Jim and I did -- we worked criminal trial together in Santa Maria.
BROWN: No, go ahead.
FRIEDMAN: And he's a great reporter.
MORET: I defer to you, Roger.
FRIEDMAN: But we just -- right now, in fact, going up on my -- on the Web site, on showbiz411.com, we're breaking the news that the funeral is going to be at the Staples Center on Tuesday morning, this coming Tuesday morning, July 7. I think it will start around 10:00 a.m.
There was a problem with the Ringling Bros. Circus. They were supposed to load in...
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FRIEDMAN: It's one circus or another. They were supposed to load in on Tuesday. They have been convinced to load in on Tuesday night. So, they're going to have -- what they're going to do is -- it's AEG Live owns all of that complex, the Staples Center, the Nokia Theater, the plaza.
They are going to put up big video screens outside for people on the plaza who don't get inside. They are going to use the convention center and they're going to have Michael's -- this whole carriage, horse-drawn carriage thing. And it's pretty much set up. They're going to announce it later on today.
BROWN: All right, Roger, can you give us your sourcing on this? Not that I'm skeptical here, but I just -- we have -- again, every time I see something on a Web site, I...
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FRIEDMAN: We will call my source "Deep Glove" or something."
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FRIEDMAN: But this is -- this is pretty much this solid. This is pretty solid. We don't deal in rumors on showbiz411.com. It's part of "The Hollywood Reporter." We're not a blog. This is the real thing. So, this is really going to happen.
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BROWN: All right.
Go ahead, Jeff. Jump in.
TOOBIN: Well, I just wanted to say that there's sort of almost like an accusatory tone against the Jacksons. Why haven't they settled the funeral? Why hasn't he said where he's going to be buried?
The poor guy hasn't even been dead a week. And he died unexpectedly. So, the fact that they haven't settled all these issues about the memorial service and burial, I think it's pretty understandable. And if it's taken them a week, so what?
BROWN: All right, guys, appreciate it.
Roger, with your scoop there.
Let me just add, though, I'm not questioning your scoop, but we can't here at CNN confirm that this is in fact taking place on Tuesday, as Roger says. But we shall see. And...
FRIEDMAN: Well, come to showbiz411.com, and you can see all the scoops ahead of time.
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BROWN: All right. OK. To Roger, to Jim, and to Jeff, thanks very much for your time, guys. Appreciate it.
More breaking news now -- a major defensive in Afghanistan happening right now. We're going to tell you more about that. That's coming up in the download.
Plus, the nurse who claims Michael Jackson begged her for a powerful sedative just days before he died.
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LEE: He actually sat there and he said, "I'm telling you, when he put -- when I have that I.V. in my hand, when I have it in my hand" -- he just kind of went under his arm -- "when it drips in my body, the first drop, I'm asleep. And all I want to do is sleep."
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BROWN: Now a look at some of the other must-see stories of the day. Here with tonight's download, Erica Hill.
ERICA HILL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Campbell, a major U.S. military operation under way right now in central Afghanistan. Some 4,000 U.S. Marines and African soldiers now moving into the southern Helmand province.
Their mission there to root out the Taliban and protect locals there from insurgents. There is no word at this hour whether they have encountered any resistance yet. Keep mind this is the first big test of the Obama administration's new strategy in Afghanistan.
Closer to home, top South Carolina Republicans continuing to turn up the heat on Governor Mark Sanford. Today, the state party's chairwoman and Congressman Gresham Barrett joined those calling for Sanford to quit after he revealed more details of his affair with an Argentine woman.
Should the cheating governor resign? That's one of our big questions coming up a little later.
Oscar winner Karl Malden has died. Best known for his two Marlon Brando movies in the '50s, "On the Waterfront" and "A Streetcar Named Desire," for which he of course won best supporting actor. He also starred with Michael Douglas in the 70's TV series "Streets of San Francisco."
Karl Malden was 97.
And finally for you tonight, a harbor patrol boat in California hijacked by an unruly passenger. It's just wild when you look at this. There's the unruly passenger. Sheriff's deputies ferrying a sea lion to deeper water near Newport Beach when it hopped onto the controls, had other plans, apparently, honked the horn, shifted into reverse.
But sea lions bite, so the deputies had to use a hose to shoo it away.
BROWN: Aww.
HILL: Poor guy.
BROWN: He looked so playful.
HILL: Maybe I don't feel like going further out to sea.
BROWN: Yes.
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BROWN: Erica Hill for us tonight -- Erica, thanks.
Plane crash survivor. A jet crashes into the ocean and a 13- year-old girl lives to tell the tale. That is tonight's breakout.
Plus, the big question: Did Michael Jackson drug himself to death? We are going to hear from a nurse who spoke to Michael Jackson just days before died, and says he begged for a dangerous sedative.
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LEE: I said: "Have you taken sleeping pills?"
He said: "They don't work." He said: "I don't want those things. They don't work. I want it in an I.V."
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BROWN: Tonight's newsmaker is Cherilyn Lee, a nurse practitioner who treated Michael Jackson and made some pretty shocking statements last night on our show. She said Jackson begged her for a powerful sedative called Diprivan, an intravenous anesthetic widely used in operating rooms.
Well, now she's back. She's telling us Drew Griffin more about her fears after talking to Michael and what she heard in the last days of his life.
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DREW GRIFFIN, CNN INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT: Michael Jackson wanted a medical attendant to give him an I.V. drip of Diprivan...
LEE: Yes.
GRIFFIN: ... just so he could sleep?
LEE: Yes.
GRIFFIN: Scary.
LEE: Very scary.
He started doing: "I had this medicine before. It worked for me before."
I said, well, you know -- then he says the name. And I didn't understand. I said, "well, who gave it to you?"
"My doctor."
And he was so adamant. Like, he totally believed that his doctor said this is safe. He said, this is...
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GRIFFIN: Did he say what doctor?
LEE: He wouldn't tell me.
I said: "Who was the doctor. And if he gave it to you, where is he? I mean, why are you asking me?"
And he said, "Oh, I -- I don't know where he is. It was a long time ago. But I know this worked for me."
And he -- he actually sat there and he said, "I'm telling you, when he put -- when I have that I.V. in my hand, when I have it in my hand" -- he just kind of went under his arm -- "when it drips in my body, the first drop, I'm asleep. And all I want to do is sleep. I have watched my children. They are sleeping. I just want to go to sleep. I want to sleep eight hours, so I can be refreshed the next day."
GRIFFIN: But don't you think it's odd he's asking for this super-strong medicine without asking for a regular old sleeping bill?
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LEE: Yes, that was odd.
Yes, well, this is -- he's -- and I said, "Have you taken sleeping pills."
He said, "They don't work." He said: "I don't want those things. They don't work. I want it in an I.V. I don't want pills. I don't want any pills."
GRIFFIN: You said no?
LEE: And I -- oh, my goodness. Not only did I say no. I didn't know the medication. And I went to my office to get my PDR. So, I said -- a physician's desk reference. It's like the bible of medicine.
I said, "This medication is not good."
He said, "I want to sleep."
And I looked at him. And that was the first time I got this chill through my body. And I said, "Michael, if you take that medicine, you might not wake up."
GRIFFIN: What was his response?
LEE: He said, "I need to have somebody here to just monitor me."
I said: "It's not -- it isn't having someone monitor you. You don't need to have this."
He said: "If somebody stays here and monitors me with this I.V., then I will be OK. I will be OK, because they are going to be here 24 hours, or 12 hours, to monitor me, so I could sleep eight hours."
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BROWN: Our big question, could Diprivan be the drug that triggered Michael Jackson's death? And could a doctor who gave it to him go to jail? We're going to have the full story on this when we come back.
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BROWN: Our big question tonight, did a powerful sedative kill Michael Jackson? We just heard from Jackson's former nurse about the drug. She fears the pop star used and abused in the days leading up to his death. It's called Diprivan, and it's supposed to be used to help make a patient unconscious going into surgery.
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LEE: He said yes, I know exactly what it is. I've had it before. And I said this is not a safe medication.
He said no, my doctor assured me that it's safe. There's no side effects. He said it is safe.
He asked me, he said, can you find me a doctor? I don't care how much money they want. I don't care what it is they want. I want this drug.
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BROWN: I want to bring back Jim Moret of "Inside Edition" with us now. He's in L.A. along with our chief medical correspondent as well, Dr. Sanjay Gupta.
Sanjay, tell us about this drug?
DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, this is a very powerful sedative. It is a medication I've never seen used outside the hospital setting.
In lower doses, it will make somebody very sleepy, for example, for having small operations, minor operations. In larger doses, it can stop your breathing to the point where you would not survive without a breathing tube. It's sort of a general anesthetic in that case. It is a very commonly used medication.
A couple of important points, Campbell. One is that it is a medication that requires continuous I.V. dosing. So it's not a medication you give once a person goes to sleep. You have to have an I.V. running the entire time because as soon as it stops running, the person wakes up. So someone has to monitor that patient the entire time.
Again, common in hospitals but I never heard of it outside of a hospital.
BROWN: Has it -- and I'm assuming you've never heard of it being used the way she described there to treat insomnia.
GUPTA: Yes. You know, I've been interviewing people about this very issue all day long including lots of anesthesiologists trying to get a sense. And I'm sorry, I'm getting -- excuse me for one second, I'm hearing myself back. I apologize, Campbell.
BROWN: No.
GUPTA: And one of the things that I keep hearing is that this is a medication that is really used for anesthesia, general anesthesia versus sleep. These are two different things, not only putting someone to sleep as much as you're putting their brain essentially to rest with a medication like this. So very different versus sleep. BROWN: And, Jim, you're a lawyer, I guess is it potentially criminal to have a doctor administering this? Is that what you're hearing? Is that something that law enforcement may be exploring?
MORET: I think you're -- I think law enforcement is exploring this and other things. We saw the LAPD going to the house where Jackson was renting. We saw them come out with bags presumably of medication.
They're going to be looking for the following. They're going to be looking for who the prescriptions were made out to. Were they made out to Michael Jackson? Were there aliases?
Who were the doctors involved? Are there multiple doctors? Was there "doctor shopping" in this situation as has been suggested?
And we've seen specifically with the Anna Nicole case that an investigation like that can take months. And I think that's good. That's good because it separates the fact from the fiction.
We're going to get the toxicology reports back. In just a few weeks' time, we'll know what was in Michael Jackson's system. We'll know if it was this drug, or if it was Demerol or if it was no drug whatsoever. But we'll have a better sense then.
But meanwhile, the LAPD and investigators are trying to gather up as many bits and pieces as they can, looking at medication in and around Jackson's house. And we've heard from Jackson's family members and friends that many of them were concerned that he was abusing medication. And he was treated for a Demerol addiction and opiate addiction some years back. So that was the first place that a lot of people were looking.
BROWN: And, Jim, I just want to ask you this. We've heard this from so many people. We've had just conflicting reports. People saying that he looked like at his final rehearsal, like he was in great shape.
He was energetic. He's never looked better. I mean, I've heard numerous people say that. And at the same time we hear other people saying, he was frail, he was sickly.
He was, I don't know, 110 pounds or something, and he's 5'10." How do you reconcile these different reports?
MORET: I think they may both be true. They may all be true.
Let's face it. He may have been 112 pounds. During the criminal case, he was 108 pounds. I can tell you from my personal experience watching him during that case, he was frail. He was very light. He had trouble walking.
However, we also saw him one day at the preliminary hearing, dance, climb up on top of the SUV and he danced for the crowd. He came alive. And why? Because he was an entertainer. Because when the lights went on, so did he. Could he have pulled off one performance? Probably. Could he have pulled off 50? I don't know anyone who thinks he could have. So in that sense, Campbell, all of these reports may be true.
BROWN: Sanjay, let me go back to you and follow up on another point that the nurse made. She says that when Jackson called he was complaining about his body being hot on one side and cold on the other. Does that mean anything to you, those specific symptoms?
GUPTA: Well, you know, as a neurosurgeon, in a situation like this, I would think that is someone possibly having a stroke. Now, not likely in this particular situation.
Typically with a stroke, not only do you have temperature differences on one side of the body versus the other. You have weakness, for example, or numbness. Something like that. So it's a little bit hard to piece together.
Other things that can possibly cause this, certain medications. Certain medications can cause these sorts of problems. Medications that increase your blood pressure significantly, increase your heart rate might cause symptoms sort of similar to this. But again, that, in isolation is a little bit hard to put together, Campbell.
BROWN: But clearly, somebody feeling those symptoms that she said and as she said she recommended him, should have gone to a hospital right away?
GUPTA: Yes. I mean, clearly, it's a very unusual sort of thing. I would think it's something involving the central nervous system in some way. But, you know, I don't know what else he was experiencing at the time. But you're right. And that in and of itself probably enough of a red flag to get some treatment.
BROWN: All right. Sanjay Gupta for us tonight. Dr. Sanjay Gupta in L.A., along with Jim Moret, who's been helping us out as well, many thanks, guys. Appreciate it.
GUPTA: Thank you.
BROWN: And when we come back, South Carolina's cheating governor. He says his girlfriend is his soul mate, but he's trying to fall in love with his wife again. So should he just resign?
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GLORIA BORGER, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: It seems that every time the governor opens his mouth there are more calls for his resignation. And I think the news yesterday that he said that he had crossed the line with other women, really, but not the ultimate line, as he put it, got a lot of people in South Carolina scratching their heads.
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(COMMERCIAL BREAK) BROWN: Pressure is mounting tonight on South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford. More and more of his fellow Republicans want him to step down. The heat was just starting to wear off after his jaw- dropping press conference last week admitting to an affair with an Argentinean woman. But over the past couple of days, Sanford made a bad situation worse by sitting down for a pretty exclusive new interview. Take a look.
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SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Sanford has told "The Associated Press" that he crossed lines with more women but didn't have sex with them.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Sanford also told "The AP" that the woman in Argentina, Maria Chapur, is his soul mate but he's trying to fall back in love with his wife.
CANDY CROWLEY, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): His involvement with his mistress was no tawdry fling but a love story, a forbidden one, a tragic one, but a love story at the end of the day.
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BROWN: And add to that, today he decided not to disclose financial records that would show whether or not taxpayers help finance his liaisons. And so tonight the big question, should this cheating governor resign?
Our senior political analyst Gloria Borger is in Washington tonight along with our senior political correspondent, Candy Crowley. And with me here in New York, clinical psychologist Jeff Gardere as well.
Welcome to everybody. Candy, bottom line this, is he going to survive this? South Carolina Republicans seem like they've had just about enough.
CANDY CROWLEY, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: They certainly have. I was talking to one earlier this evening. He said there are two kinds of people in South Carolina -- those that have publicly called for Sanford to resign and those that have not publicly called because they want to keep private lines of communication open and try to get him to resign.
They really would like him to go. But I can tell you that I have also been told by a source who is familiar with conversations the governor had today, that the governor is "defiant." And this is a man who has not backed away from a fight. He can be a loner when he wants to on an issue. So just because people are calling for him to resign, in the end it's up to him.
BROWN: Yes. Sounds like he's a bit of a loner on this issue as well.
Gloria, you know, this story was going away for him. Everybody had turned to Michael Jackson.
GLORIA BORGER, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: Yes.
BROWN: And then Sanford gives this surreal interview to "The Associated Press." Any sense of why he'd do that?
BORGER: The "Scarlet" interview, right, Campbell? I can't figure it out. Certainly, he didn't do it for political reasons.
And I'm not a shrink, but there seems to be this kind of compulsion to unburden himself to tell the people of South Carolina the whole truth and nothing but the truth and somehow thinking that in doing so, they might forgive him as part of his kind of apology tour. But, of course, it boomeranged with everybody, and I presume most of all with his wife.
BROWN: And, Dr. Gardere, you read the governor's interview in "AP." What do you read into it? What's going through this guy's head?
JEFF GARDERE, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, Gloria may not be a shrink but I think she's pretty dead on with this one.
BORGER: Oh, good.
GARDERE: This is an individual who I think is falling, and he's falling fast emotionally. He's having some sort of a mid-life crisis. He's giving out so much information that is completely unnecessary.
This is a confession to the public and I think in some ways he believes that it will absolve him of these sins that he has committed. One thing we do know that as he was having this affair with this woman from Argentina, he was deeply conflicted, deeply guilty about it. But one thing that is also very wrong as with people who confess to certain things, affairs and so on, some information you leave out, such as this was his soul mate, the woman from Argentina. Why destroy your wife and your children with that kind of information?
BROWN: That was going to be my question. He says that, and then at the same time he says he's trying to fall in love with his wife again. I mean, why tell a reporter that? Does this sound like a man who's trying to save his marriage?
GARDERE: Why say that to your wife if you're trying to save your marriage. She already threw him out of their home once.
BROWN: So why?
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GARDERE: I don't think this is going to get him back in.
BORGER: Campbell, let me --
CROWLEY: Well, Campbell, let me sort of just add one other thing into that. And that is that the people I talked to today who have been in or around the governor, talked to those who have been, say they're actually not at all convinced he does want to go back to his wife. They believe that the statements he's been making both privately and public indicate to them that it is not at all a forgone conclusion that he would return home even if she'd have him.
BORGER: And, Campbell, bottom line here is that this wouldn't be the first politician we've ever covered who turned the story into something all about him. It's really about him unburdening himself to us.
It's not about his wife. It's not about South Carolina. It's that he feels we must have some need to know every little detail about his affair.
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GARDERE: But, Gloria, part of what is going on, I think there's a free fall here emotionally. This is a man who is in crisis right now, is in crisis before, and he may be having an emotional breakdown. He's very unstable.
BORGER: Well, it's about ego.
GARDERE: And I think that's part of what's going on, too.
BROWN: All right. Gloria, let me ask you something else though, because I know you've been pretty impressed with how his wife, Jenny Sanford, has handled all of this.
But the "New York Times" columnist, Maureen Dowd, disagrees with you and she writes today, "If you use the kids as a bludgeon and tell the press, as Jenny did, you would think that a father who didn't have contact with his children, if he wanted those children he would toe the line a bit. When kids are involved, it's best to chill when dishing out revenge."
BORGER: No, I do think -- I do think Maureen has a point there. And clearly this woman has every right to be bitter and angry, and maybe talking to "The AP" is not the best way to do that.
However, I thought that she has really shifted the paradigm of the political wife because she wasn't standing there silently. She didn't defend his actions. What she did was actually tell the truth and she told the voters of South Carolina that yes, I threw him out two weeks ago. And that's why I had no idea where he was when the rest of the world was playing "Where's Waldo" trying to find him.
BROWN: All right. Really quick, Candy. You know, Republicans can scream and yell all they want. The ball is in his court, though.
I mean, if he decides to stick this out, does anybody going to work with him? How does he govern?
CROWLEY: Well, they have to work with him. Look, they can impeach him. I mean, they're looking into whether or not he used taxpayer money. They could impeach him for dereliction of duty because he left the state. Whatever they can come up with, it's possible and it wouldn't be the first time that an impeachment process was started as sort of a larger message to someone.
BROWN: All right. Guys, we got to go.
GARDERE: Is anyone recommending a therapist for this man? He needs it.
BROWN: And maybe he'll take your advice, Jeff.
Jeff Gardere, Candy and Gloria, as always, thanks, guys.
BORGER: Sure.
BROWN: Larry King minutes away now. And, Larry, a lot of new developments surrounding Michael Jackson tonight.
LARRY KING, HOST, "LARRY KING LIVE": Yes, you're not kidding, Campbell. We're going to have more on his will and are his wishes the final word on the kids and the money? How much does his estate stand to make now that sales of the songs are soaring?
And the nurse who says she knows something about Michael and his medications is back with us as she was with you last night, Campbell. Plus, we're going to back in time with Diana Ross who was named in Michael's will. You'll see it all next on "LARRY KING LIVE."
By the way, tomorrow night, Campbell, we will be exclusively live from the Neverland Ranch. That's tomorrow night inside the ranch, not outside.
BROWN: Wow.
KING: Inside tomorrow night.
BROWN: That will be fascinating, Larry. Of course, we'll be watching in a few minutes and absolutely tomorrow night.
KING: Thanks, Campbell.
BROWN: See you shortly.
The final photographs of Michael Jackson on stage. They were taken at his rehearsals just days ago. Tonight, we'll look at them with the man who snapped our last glimpse of the iconic superstar. Stay with us.
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BROWN: We have all been struck by the images of Michael Jackson from just days ago rehearsing right up until the last hours of his life. I spoke with the photographer who took those pictures, Kevin Mazur, co-founder of WireImage.com. He shared with me what he and his lens saw not knowing he was capturing Michael Jackson's last chance to remind the world why he was the King of Pop.
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BROWN: Kevin, you were photographing Michael Jackson at rehearsals just a few days before his death. Did he seem healthy to you?
KEVIN MAZUR, PHOTOGRAPHER AND CO-FOUNDER OF WIREIMAGE.COM: He seemed very healthy to me. He was the same old Michael Jackson that I photographed through the years, and I was extremely excited and happy for him.
He was very upbeat. He was enjoying himself. He was in rare form. He was the same Michael that I photographed through the years. And then when Michael hit the stage, it was magic.
You know, it's like I was just saying to myself, I had such an adrenaline rush. It was like the first time I ever photographed him moon walking.
You know, I was like, wow, he's back. I can't wait for people to see this. It was amazing. It was magical.
I mean, he's Michael Jackson. He's the King of Pop.
BROWN: So how do you, Kevin, reconcile that with what we're hearing about now?
MAZUR: God, I -- if you would have saw the Michael I saw on stage, you would be just as shocked as I am. I am so shocked. I am so saddened. I feel for his family. You know, and his poor children. I hope -- hopefully the media will leave and stay away from his kids.
BROWN: Just quickly, if you could, just share with us, you know, one or two of your favorite memories of photographing him over the years.
MAZUR: Photographing him over the years -- you know, when I saw him on the Motown special 25th anniversary, I wasn't photographing. I saw it on TV. When I see him do that moon walk, I was like, man, I can't wait to photograph him doing the moon walk. And then when I photographed him doing the moon walk, I was like, yes, I got it, you know.
And then, throughout the years, I photographed him in the victory tour. Every time it was magical. I was his photographer for the 30th anniversary special. That was shot at Madison Square Garden.
There were so many times I photographed him that I enjoy, you know, any time with Michael. I mean, I would make sure if Michael was doing something, I make sure I was there.
BROWN: Wow. Kevin Mazur joining us tonight, sharing some of his memories. Kevin, appreciate your time.
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BROWN: When we come back, a jet crashes into the ocean. A 13- year-old girl survives. Her incredible story. It's tonight's "Breakout."
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KASSIM (ph) BAKARI, BAHIA BAKARI'S FATHER (through translator): She told me, "Papa, we saw the plane going down in the water. I was in the water. I could hear people talking but I couldn't see anyone."
"I was in the dark. I couldn't see a thing. On top of that, daddy, I can't swim well. And I held on to something but I don't really know what."
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BROWN: There is one more story that we want you to see tonight. It is our "Breakout." It is the story of the one survivor of a plane crash that killed 152 people yesterday.
She's just 13 years old. And this is the first picture we have seen of her and remarkably, she suffered just a broken collarbone and some bruises. CNN's David McKenzie has her story.
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DAVID MCKENZIE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is where a 13-year-old girl described as timid and barely able to swim found herself, tossed into the Indian Ocean in the dead of night from a plane that plunged into rough seas.
Bahia Bakari clung to whatever she could find. After hours in the dark, a rescue team plucked her from the sea, the only survivor of this deadly crash. On the phone to her grateful father in France, he described her ordeal.
KASSIM BAKARI, BAHIA BAKARI's FATHER (through translator): She told me, "Papa, we saw the plane going down in the water. I was in the water. I could hear people talking but I couldn't see anyone."
"I was in the dark. I couldn't see a thing. On top of that, daddy, I can't swim well. And I held on to something but I don't really know what."
MCKENZIE: The father's toy for his daughter was tempered by grief for his wife. She was on the plane as well. At a hospital in Moroni, French and Comorian officials marveled at her bravery.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): I've seen the child. It's truly a miracle. She has shown an incredible amount of courage. MCKENZIE: Relatives of the missing passengers are grief stricken and angry. They slammed the state of Yemenia Airways and said that an accident was inevitable.
French authorities say that they red flagged the aircraft in 2007, citing problems with maintenance of the plane. But Yemenia Airways claims that there was nothing wrong with the plane and blamed the crash on high winds.
Whatever the cause, knowing it won't bring the victims back. As for the one survivor, that timid teenager who hung on to her life, she will be reunited with her father in France soon. With her mother gone, a bittersweet reunion.
David McKenzie, CNN, Nairobi.
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BROWN: An incredible story. We have some new information just in on the Michael Jackson investigation we do want to share with you before we go.
A federal law enforcement source telling CNN that the DEA today did join the investigation to look at whether or not prescription drugs are involved in the death of Michael Jackson. We'll have much more on this later tonight. That's it for us.
"LARRY KING LIVE" next with a lot more on the story. Have a good night.
