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Nancy Grace

Janet Jackson Reported to Have Staged Family Intervention for Michael

Aired July 09, 2009 - 20:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, the mystery of the sudden death of music icon Michael Jackson intensifies. As 20,000 people pack the Staples Center arena, L.A., millions around the world looking on, questions mount on his sudden death, his half-a-billion-dollar empire, and more important, custody of the star`s three little children. Jackson`s 14 karat gold-bedecked "Promethean" casket on display in front of his 11-year-old little girl during her heart-wrenching tribute to her father. But just a few miles away, legal eagles and homicide investigators working around the clock.

Bombshell tonight. The location of Jackson`s embalmed body still shrouded in mystery. How -- how -- do you lose a gold-bedecked "Promethean" casket with 20 helicopters hovering and thousands watching the casket exit an arena? Was he ever even in the casket? Tonight, we learn the body may have been smuggled out through the arena`s secret underground tunnels in an unmarked van while fans mobbed a black hearse seemingly bearing Jackson`s body.

We confirm a portion of Jackson`s brain missing from the body, withheld for testing. And the Jackson family in-fighting boiling over, father, Joe Jackson, and the Jackson brothers pushing for burial in the back yard of Neverland, laying the groundwork for a Graceland-like Michael Jackson burial theme park. We learn sister Janet pled with Jackson and the family for an intervention to save his life. Well, that never happened after Jackson ordered his fleet of bodyguards to keep family away, even refusing calls from his 79-year-old mother.

Investigators reveal the superstar`s veins riddled with track marks, many veins actually collapsing from IV use, confirming an autopsy report surfacing last week many branded as a fake. Jackson`s skin paper white, white as a T-shirt, his head bald, his body emaciated, all in direct contrast to private video of Jackson`s full dress rehearsal just hours before his death. Multiple vials of drugs found in Jackson`s home, drugs banned for consumer use, only kept behind locked doors in the O.R., Jackson ingesting up to 10,000 prescription pills in just six months, five specific doctors now under suspicion of drugging an addict who happened to be a superstar.

As vultures circle Jackson`s dead body, the fate of his three children unknown.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s not breathing, sir.

911 OPERATOR: OK. And he`s not conscious, either, and...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, he`s not conscious, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Michael Jackson`s dermatologist confirms the singer used a powerful sedative to help him sleep during at least one tour.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dr. Arnold Klein says he warned Jackson not to take Diprivan again.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A source involved with the investigation tells us Jackson had, quote, "numerous track marks on his arms" and that those marks, quote, "could certainly be consistent" with the regular IV use of a drug like Diprivan.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: New details of just how far Michael Jackson`s family went to get him off drugs.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was 2007, two years after Michael Jackson`s trial for child molestation in California.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was scarred and all but disappeared.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In early 2007, he was believed to be living in this large rented home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Two sources close to the family say Janet Jackson visited him at that house and was shocked.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re told the house was nearly barren of furniture, creepy-looking, according to one source. But it was the sight of an extremely thin, disheveled Michael Jackson that actually frightened Janet.

CHERILYN LEE, REGISTERED NURSE: He said, I want it to drop -- I want it IV. And he says, I know that the first drop -- when I look at it and I see the first drop hit my vein, I`m asleep and I sleep very well. And I just need sleep.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s supplied in vials. It`s the same concentration, comes in different vials. You can draw it up in a syringe and inject it into a vein. What you have to do is you have to place an intravenous catheter in a person through a vein, and then you can hook up an intravenous line.

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GRACE: And tonight, live to Ohio. Mommy meets a convicted sex offender still in lockdown who takes Mommy on a camping trip. What do they take along? Food, water, provisions and Mommy`s 4-year-old baby girl. That`s right, the baby girl alone in the car with a sex predator. After leading cops on a manhunt, they zero in on an isolated commune-type retreat 2,000 miles away, San Diego. There, hidden amongst a peace-loving group raising avocados, cops rescue baby Haylee. As we go to air, is the baby headed not into the arms of her own grandmother but to state foster care? Why?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Little Haylee Donathan, safe in the arms of a San Diego deputy. Holding her teddy bear in one hand, she waved with the other.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I never lost hope at all. I knew that if these U.S. Marshals was doing their job, then I know they would have been found.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Haylee is going to be brought back to this area.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police say the child was taken by a convicted sex offender, 27-year-old Robbi Potter, and the girl`s mother, 24-year-old Candace Watson, on May 31. Jut a few days earlier, Potter had escaped from a halfway house in Mansfield, Ohio. But the fugitives` flight ended when authorities caught up with them here in San Diego County at a Christian retreat in Valley Center.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They were still, surprisingly, in the same truck, and that was spotted out in that area. And I cannot compliment the media enough here for getting the message out for us, and I know the NANCY GRACE show was out there for us.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Candace Watson was escorted out, now off to jail.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you think she deserves anything she gets?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I do. You know, I mean, it`s hard, like, when they were saying that she dyed her hair, it`s just kind of, like, my heart just broke because, you know, that`s just more evidence that she (INAUDIBLE)

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. The mystery surrounding the sudden death of music superstar Michael Jackson intensifies.

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LEE: I got this chill through my body, and I said, Michael, if you take that medicine, you might not wake up.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a personal doctor here with him, sir.

911 OPERATOR: Oh, you have a doctor there?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, but he`s not responding to anything, to no -- no -- he`s not responding to CPR or anything.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Michael Jackson`s dermatologist, Klein, said he is not surprised that police found numerous bottles of prescription drugs in Jackson`s home. He says that the singer had struggled with addiction before.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The investigation seems to have a very narrow focus right now, focusing on prescription drugs and whether or not they contributed to Michael Jackson`s death, and of course, which doctor supplied them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... only days before his death. It`s a stark contrast to reports the star was in pain and needed (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... Jackson in the past due to painful procedures.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The family had been concerned, and according to both our sources, Michael Jackson would simply refuse to see anybody who tried to stop him from using drugs, one source saying that if you tried to deal with him, he would shut you out.

LEE: This is a very serious drug. No side effects, he said. It is safe. I said, Michael, it isn`t. The bottom line, it can cause death.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: These are the three types of vials that Diprivan comes in. It look like milk. It`s a liquid. You can draw it up in a syringe just like this, in a large syringe. Pure Diprivan can be pumped through an IV line just like this with precision dosing through a pump, or you can regulate it with your hand, like this. Give too much, and you can kill the person, stop breathing.

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GRACE: Straight out to Ian Drew, senior editor with "Us Weekly." Ian, thank you for being with us. Where`s the body? And again, I still don`t understand how a 14 karat gold-bedecked "Promethean" casket can get lost.

IAN DREW, "US WEEKLY": Well, I`m not sure that there was even a body in the casket at that memorial. We know that the casket was there. The body is being held under lock and key right now until they figure out what to do with it. As we know, the problem with Neverland is, is that the town of Los Olivos around Neverland does not want it there. They do not want it a memorial. They do not want anything. They are rejecting it time and time again, every time this comes before them. Of course, the family, desperate for money, sees this as a way to make money. But it`s not necessarily the best thing that the town is interested in.

GRACE: You know -- to Ellie Jostad, our chief editorial producer -- what Ian is saying has a ring of truth. We know that Michael Jackson was somehow obsessed with Elvis Presley, which culminate that obsession in the marriage to Presley`s natural daughter, Lisa Marie Presley.

Now, it`s my understanding that father Joe Jackson, the Jackson brothers are insisting he be buried at Neverland, a place that he eschewed. He hated it after the police raid over child molestation charges. So tonight, we don`t know where the body is. It`s kept under lock and key. It`s in a secure area. Why?

What can you tell me about those underground tunnels there at Staples Center arena? And who is trying to stop the burial of Jackson`s remains at Neverland?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Nancy, there`s a bunch of reports out there about how this body may have been transported out of Staples Center without a trail of media around it. One report out there by E! News is that the Staple Center was built with numerous underground tunnels. One tunnel goes right over to the Nokia Theatre, right across the street. Other tunnels go to hotels nearby so that performers could walk right from backstage to their hotel without having to go out on the street.

So the theory is Jackson`s body or the casket was loaded into some kind of unmarked truck that went out of these tunnels looking like any kind of equipment truck, and maybe the media didn`t notice it.

GRACE: So for all we know, Ellie, his body was not in the gold- bedecked "Promethean" casket, but was at that moment being smuggled through the kitchen of the Hilton Hotel.

JOSTAD: Well, or another theory out there is that the body actually never even left Forest Lawn, that this was a casket that may have been empty. The whole time, the body stayed at Forest Lawn. And we just don`t know right now which of these theories is correct.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Michael Jackson`s family was apparently worried he had a drug problem. CNN has learned they even attempted an intervention two years ago. It apparently started with Michael`s sister, Janet, two sources close to the family telling CNN that Janet visited his Vegas home in early 2007 and was shocked when, the source says, the house had almost no furniture, looked a bit creepy, and Michael himself appeared very thin and disheveled at that time. That February, Janet then attended the NBC All-Star game with two of the brothers. She asked them to go to Michael`s house with her to try to convince him to get some help, but Michael reportedly ordered security not to let them in.

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GRACE: Welcome back. Straight back out to Ian Drew with "Us Weekly." Ian, speaking of where the body is going to be buried, there`s a lot of legal hurdles that you have to go through before you can just put a body, a dead body, out in the back of your yard, all right?

DREW: Which is the problem, yes.

GRACE: OK. In fact, there are statutes against that, so people don`t just start getting rid of dead bodies and going, Oh, it`s not getting rid of a dead body, we`re starting a cemetery in the back yard. Now, I understand father Joe and the brothers are behind this.

DREW: Yes. Absolutely. And what was said earlier was correct, what you said, Nancy. Michael did not want to be buried there. After he left, he planned never to go back. He felt violated after the home was raided by police during the second child molestation trial. He only stayed because it was close to the trial, and the day that he was set free, he left. He never went back. He never wanted anything more to do with it.

GRACE: Well, what do they want, Ian, to make a modern-day Graceland? Is that what they want, like Elvis`s home?

DREW: Absolutely. Because it`s to make money. This is the best way that they can use to pay down his debt. Despite everything, this will be a constant revenue stream for both the family and his children.

GRACE: Yes. Can`t you just imagine all the tourists from abroad and domestic flooding them -- flooding Neverland to go to pay respects to Jackson`s grave. There you see it. It`s all about making money.

Bethany Marshal, will it ever end, making money off Michael Jackson`s dead body?

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: Well, money holds such a strange role in Michael Jackson`s life because so many people wanted to make money off of him, and in this case, by, you know, building a sort of a Graceland of sorts for him. But also, Michael Jackson dangled money in front of people and used it in dangerous ways to bring people to him who supplied things that were very dangerous for him.

GRACE: To Brian Oxman, Jackson family confidant. He is a former family attorney. He is the host of "Insight" with KLAA news radio. Brian, thank you for being with us. Brian, what can you tell me about an alleged intervention attempt by Janet Jackson to save his life, an attempt that clearly failed?

BRIAN OXMAN, JACKSON FAMILY CONFIDANT (via telephone): All of the family members were very concerned about Michael, and they expressed their concerns. As to their attempts, they kept those pretty private, Nancy, and whatever they did, I know that they made a great effort to try and take care of what they thought was an important aspect of their life. And they just always were there to say that they were going to help, and they kept their private business to themselves.

GRACE: To Natisha Lance, our producer there on the scene. Natisha, what can you tell me about Janet Jackson trying to stage this family intervention to save Jackson`s life and him refusing, having his bodyguards, his fleet of bodyguards turning them away from the front door and even not taking his 79-year-old mother`s telephone calls?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: You`re absolutely right, Nancy. This was February of 2007. After a visit with Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson felt -- she became very concerned about his health. She said that he was very emaciated. She wanted to stage this intervention. She tried to get the help of her brothers to get on board with it. Now, there were rumors and reports about this intervention that was going to happen. The Jackson family ended up releasing a statement to "People" magazine, where certain members of the family signed, but Janet Jackson`s name was missing from that -- from that statement that was released to "People" magazine.

GRACE: To special guest joining us tonight, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach. Thank you for being with us. He is a Jackson former rabbi and author of "Kosher Sutra." Rabbi, thank you for being with us. Sir, were you familiar with Jackson`s drug use?

RABBI SHMULEY BOTEACH, JACKSON`S FORMER RABBI: Well (INAUDIBLE) honest. We`re not children here. The whole of America, the whole of the world was familiar. Anyone who saw him...

GRACE: So that would be a yes?

BOTEACH: Anyone who saw him in the 2005 trial saw that he was out to lunch. Michael had a terrible affliction of the soul that he interpreted as an ailment of the body. Everything hurt. And he always had doctors who did not seem to be all that credible and legitimate who were around him. And as you see from this intervention, anyone, including me, or -- who would say to him, You re poisoning yourself and killing yourself, was quickly on the outs. And then you had a choice. You could either sit around and watch him do this to himself and self-destruct, or you could leave.

But for anyone, the media included, to pretend that they didn`t see during the 2005 trial the Michael Jackson was mentally absent -- only his body was present. He came to court in his pajamas, for goodness sake! Clearly, he was on something very strong.

GRACE: Well, we know, Rabbi, that, for instance, allegedly, in the case of pop star Britney Spears, she was committed in order to seek treatment, her father now running her estate. Now, why didn`t that happen with Michael Jackson to save his life?

BOTEACH: Because, unfortunately, here you have a family that the dysfunction has become just too corrosive. And Michael may have died of Demerol. I don`t know what it was. But his drug of choice was fame, and it`s hurt this family since the moment that he became famous. It`s a clear -- an inability to deal with superstardom. Michael reached an echelon where no one could reach him. There were no right and wrong. There was no rules. He lived by his own rules, and terribly and tragically, it killed him.

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GRACE: Getting all lost in the sauce are his three children.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who will take care of Michael Joseph Jackson, Jr., Paris Michael Katherine Jackson and Prince Michael Jackson II now that their father has died?

GRACE: Not Rebbie, not La Toya, not Janet, Marlon, Randy, Jackie, Tito -- no.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Jackson names his mother, Katherine Jackson, as guardian of his children. If she`s unable or unwilling, he names singer Diana Ross.

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GRACE: Welcome back. I want to go straight out to Ian Drew, senior editor with "Us Weekly." Ian, regarding what is going to happen to his body, is it true that a portion of his brain is not in his body, wherever that body may be?

DREW: That is true. It was withheld for testing. As Liza Minnelli very prophetically said a few weeks ago, of all people, wait until this autopsy comes out because the things that they are getting so far out of everything are going to be even more shocking than anything that`s coming out now.

GRACE: To Dr. Zhongzue Hua, Union County, New Jersey, medical examiner. Dr. Hua, thank you for being with us. What can you learn from forensic testing of a human brain?

DR. ZHONGZUE HUA, UNION COUNTY MEDICAL EXAMINER: Several things. First, the brain is a good media for toxicology study. Second thing is, if someone has any previous injury or previous stroke. In the case of Michael Jackson, (INAUDIBLE) a sort of strange and very unique personality and character, whether there`s any sort of anatomical basis certainly need to be looked at.

GRACE: Let`s go out to the lawyers. Let`s unleash them. Joining me from L.A., Alexis Martin Neely, estate attorney, Anne Bremner, high-profile lawyer out of Seattle, and Doug Burns, defense attorney out of New York.

First to you, Anne Bremner. We understand that tonight, five doctors have been identified under suspicion of giving Michael Jackson -- enabling an addict who happened to be a music icon. What are the possible charges against them?

ANNE BREMNER, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, they could be looking at a manslaughter I, Nancy, as you know, which is recklessness, or manslaughter 2, which is involuntary manslaughter and a negligence. You know, based upon knowing he`s an addict and prescribing and/or, especially with the anesthesia, using that to help him sleep on its face would be enough for a manslaughter. But we`ve heard from the police chief right now, William Bratton, that there`s not a certainty of charges, at least not yet.

GRACE: I`ve heard from the police chief, Bratton, who says he doesn`t know one way or the other.

BREMNER: Right.

GRACE: Doug Burns, though, can you imagine the scene of anesthesiologist in a mobile IV unit, like a van, injecting him, and he`s got to stay hooked up to this all night to sleep.

DOUG BURNS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, no, it`s unbelievable. And they could also be charged, obviously, with narcotics dealing, which is outside the course of medical practice.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a mystery. Michael Jackson`s sudden death at age 50. What killed him? Sources are telling CNN the singer`s arms were riddled with marks and the veins had collapsed. Both characteristics that experts say you find in people who use IV drugs.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Our source cautioned investigators can`t say right now if a Diprivan IV drip caused the track marks on Jackson`s arms.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Pure Diprivan can be pumped through an IV line just like this with precision dosing through a pump. Or you can regulate it with your hand like this. Give too much and you can kill the person, stop breathing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Diprivan, when you use it in the OR, you need oxygen to be administered to monitor your vitals and to keep basically your heart beating.

DOUGLAS B. JONES, MICHAEL JACKSON`S FORMER CHEF: There was a couple of occasions during my time of employment that I noticed Dr. Murray exiting the kitchen area through the side door to the driveway area, carrying a couple of oxygen tanks.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The fact that there was oxygen tanks inside that home raises all kinds of red flags.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Another source says Jackson was emaciated, that his scalp was bald and his skin paper white.

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Straight out to Brad Lamm, board certified interventionist www.changesomeoneyoulove.com. Brad, thank you for being with us.

BRAD LAMM, BOARD REGISTERED INTERVENTIONIST, CHANGESOMEONEYOULOVE.COM: Thank you.

GRACE: You`re hearing all this about a staged intervention, Jackson locking the family out of Neverland, sticking his fleet of bodyguards on his own family. Not taking calls from his 79-year-old mother. That`s not unusual behavior for a drug addict.

But, Brad, here`s my question. To use this drug, as like your sedative, in the OR, the operating room, you`ve got to be hooked in. That means the doctor has got to be there the whole time you`re hooked in and we know the personal chef that we just saw says he sees oxygen tanks coming in and out and that a doctor would come at night and leave in the morning.

In fact, he`s quoted assaying he thought Jackson was having an affair with the male doctor. Because the doctor would come at night and leave in the morning. And.

LAMM: Well, I think it`s speaks to the relationship between a person and the drug which is as close as a lover. You know when you step in and try to intervene, it`s like pealing the bark off the trees. So as we here reports about them trying to step in, they did a few things that could have been better.

One, showing up in mass and not taking no for an answer. Really an intervention knows a conversation starter. And, two, and this is really important and I think a lot of people can relate to this. If the kids are involved like in this case they are, you step in and you get the kids out of the situation and oftentimes that will be the thing that will help break through the denial of addiction.

GRACE: But it`s just amazing to me that a doctor -- can you just imagine.

LAMM: But Nancy.

GRACE: Can you conjure up the image of a doctor there in a mobile unit, a van, shooting Jackson up and keeping the catheter in the arm overnight?

LAMM: Unfortunately, I can. And if you and I were to step out the studio here at CNN and walk two blocks, we could get these drugs and other drugs within blocks of CNN here. It`s just that easy.

GRACE: Diprivan? You can get that.

LAMM: Absolutely.

GRACE: How?

LAMM: There are just that many doctors.

GRACE: I`ve never in all my years of prosecuting drug use, drug trafficking, I`ve never heard of a Diprivan addict, ever.

LAMM: Well, I think if you can equate a drug dealer with a doctor that`s mis-prescribing, you`ve got a pretty good correlation there.

GRACE: Have you ever seen a case where somebody takes Diprivan every night to sleep intravenously?

LAMM: I haven`t seen Diprivan but I`ve seen other intravenous opiate to use like this.

GRACE: Overnight?

LAMM: To sleep.

GRACE: Or 10 straight hours?

LAMM: I`ve never seen anything like this, to be honest. Yes.

GRACE: You said we could get it a block from CNN?

LAMM: No, I`m sure we could go get Diprivan, though.

GRACE: You know, that`s very unusual. Dr. Hua, where is Diprivan kept? How would a doctor get access to it?

DR. ZHONGXUE HUA, UNION COUNTY, NJ, MEDICAL EXAMINER: You may have to get a DA license to get a prescription for it. It`s not a common drug so that it will flow over the counter you can get. You really have to get a DA license to prescribe this kind of drug.

GRACE: Let`s take a listen to one of the doctors allegedly named as one of the five under suspicion by the L.A. coroner`s. Here`s Jackson`s dermatologist, allegedly, the biological father of the children. This is Dr. Arnold Klein. Take a listen.

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DIANE SAWYER, HOST, ABC NEWS GOOD MORNING AMERICA: There was even one report that you were the biological father of the children. Do you know who`s the.

DR. ARNOLD KLEIN, MICHAEL JACKSON`S FORMER DERMATOLOGIST: All I can tell you is best to my knowledge I`m not the father of these children. But I`m telling you, if push comes to shove, you know, I can`t say anything about it but to the best of my knowledge, I`m not the father of these children.

I once donated sperm. Once I went to a sperm bank but I don`t think I should go over my legal affairs. I think to the best of my knowledge I`m not the father. I wanted to tell you that this discussion, whatever, is between Michael`s children and this person. It`s not to be discussed who the father is over national television.

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GRACE: What`s he doing giving sperm to a sperm bank? You know, all along, that`s Dr. Arnold Klein, a long-time friend of Michael Jackson, who`s on ABC`s "Good Morning America."

He says no, no, no, I`m not the dad, to my knowledge. The whole time he`s looking away from the camera, he can`t look at the lens, he can`t look at his interviewer, and then he said, oh yes, there was that time I donated sperm.

OK. Alexis Martin Neely, a state attorney, family law attorney. Alexis, this sounds like he`s screaming, yes, I`m probably the father.

ALEXIS MARTIN NEELY, ESTATE ATTORNEY, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY, WWW.PERSONALFAMILYLAWYER.COM: He very well could be saying exactly that without wanting to say it publicly. He`s probably under some sort of an agreement. He probably got paid for it if he is the father. And like he`s saying, is he`s -- he doesn`t want to discuss it in the media. That would be something that he would discuss privately with the children at some point possibly.

GRACE: Well, would that have any effect on the estate if we find out who the dad is?

NEELY: Absolutely not.

GRACE: OK. No effect. Out to.

NEELY. No. No.

GRACE: No effect. Out to Dr. Bethany Marshall. Dr. Bethany, did you observe his demeanor when he was saying no, no, no, to my knowledge I`m not the -- wouldn`t you know if you`re the dad and then just suddenly do an about face and say, well, there was that time I donated sperm.

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": You know what I think, I think what`s happening, is he wants to inject himself into the notoriety of the case. He wants the public to know that indeed he`s possibly the dad. But as Alexis just said, he`s under some confidentiality agreement. And he can`t say so.

But can I say something about addiction, I think, is important to clear up? I think the likelihood is not that Jackson was addicted to Diprivan. I think he was addicted to Benzodiazepine and opiate, and that he took so many of those that he was having withdrawal effects, meaning rebound, insomnia, anxiety and agitation.

And that the doctor, instead of medicating the rebound anxiety and insomnia, gave him Diprivan to cover it. And that`s the malpractice and it`s egregious.

GRACE: Back to Rabbi Shmuley Boteach. He is Michael Jackson`s former rabbi.

Rabbi, were you familiar with any of these doctors prescribing all of these medications or obtaining them for Michael Jackson?

RABBI SHMULEY BOTEACH, MICHAEL JACKSON`S FORMER RABBI: Well, Nancy, when I was with Michael, the -- what we were trying to do is rehabilitate his life. This was a man who had no purpose to live. It was the children that kept him alive.

I think he was burned out. Michael could not consecrate his celebrity to a higher cause. It really was a -- it was a prison for him. And we went to Oxford University together to give a lecture and Michael came with a cast and he has a broken foot suddenly and he always had some ailment, some bodily ailment.

People will famously remember that he was bit by a spider and that would mean that a doctor had to accompany him. And that was always odd because we always wondered who were these doctors? Where do they practice? They never gave good answers. And Michael was protective of their being around.

I used to say Michael all the time you know this is a poison, don`t you? And you know this is going to kill you? And he knew. I remember once that after he sequestered himself with a doctor and came out very lightheaded and woozy, the next time he was having dinner at our home. Friday night shebab (ph) dinner. And Michael decides to stand during dinner.

And I said, why are you standing? And he said because I took your advice and I decided not to have the medication because I know it`s bad for me. So he always knew this was bad. You know, there are always two Michael Jacksons. The outpouring love that you see, there was a soft, gentle side to him. He was a celebrity, he was a little bit different. He could actually be -- he could be forthcoming, he could be gentle and even exhibit an ability of spirit.

Then there was the king of pop and he was immune to any kind of criticism. And if you did try to intervene at all, he did shut you out. And I`m not surprised at all to get any children. He loved his mother and called his mother a saint, but he would not take her calls either, and I`m certain that`s true. Because if you tried to separate him from what he needed to live, he would just make sure that he separate himself from you.

GRACE: Everyone, as we go to break, a very special happy 80th birthday to (INAUDIBLE) friend of the show, Mrs. Grace Bryant. From all of your loved ones, Mrs. Bryant, happy birthday.

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DEBBIE ROWE, MICHAEL JACKSON`S FORMER WIFE: Are you ready to get your butt kicked? Don`t (EXPLETIVE DELETED) touch me.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: From the start, their marriage seemed more like a business deal. Michael Jackson wanted children and Debbie Rowe wanted to provide them. In the end, Jackson got his kids and Rowe became a very rich woman. How rich? $8.5 million rich.

Court documents show Rowe was to be paid $1 million upfront and then another million paid over three years. On top of that, payments of $750,000 for the next six years. But in 2006, Rowe went back to court describing herself as deep in debt. As she put it by the end of 2005 the entire $265,000 was all gone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jackson is notorious for going into a deal and then cheating the person out of whatever thereof.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Rowe`s attorney says she hasn`t decided whether to seek custody of the two children. If she does, some speculate money may be her motivation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The kids will ultimately get 80 percent of Michael Jackson`s estate. And there will be child support. There are hundreds of millions of dollars at stake here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: After Rowe and Jackson`s split, he set her up in an expensive Beverly Hills home. Today with money tight, she lives in a modest ranch house on a farm outside Los Angeles.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She lives in a community that`s moderate to low income. She lives what should be a very humble lifestyle.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Certainly not the lifestyle she enjoyed at Neverland.

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GRACE: Since Jackson`s death, these are the casualties overseas. Casey Hills, Joshua Hazlewood, Timothy David, Roger Adams, Juan Baldeosingh, Robert Bittiker, Edward Kramer, an unnamed soldier, Brian Bradshaw, Peter Cross, Steven Drees, Terry Lynch, Charles Sharp, Aaron Fairbairn, David Dennis, Justin Casillas, Derwin Williams, Tony Michael Randolph, Isaac Johnson, Chester Hosford, Nicolas Gideon, Mark Garner, Brock Chavers, and Christopher Talbert.

All of these brave soldiers have lost their lives since Michael Jackson`s untimely death, yet they are unsung. Tonight, we remember them.

I want to go quickly to Ian Drew with "Us Weekly". His article regarding the Jackson death and the events leading up to it comes out, hits the newsstand tomorrow. Debbie Rowe, she`s making a horrible, horrible impression, and how will she convince a court otherwise after all her statements in the past about not wanting the children?

IAN DREW, SENIOR EDITOR, US WEEKLY, INTERVIEWED MICHAEL JACKSON & DEBBIE ROWE: It`s going to be tough and what`s going to make everything even tougher is what we saw at the memorial the other day. The kids are very clearly comfortable and very happy within the Jackson family despite their criticism.

So it`s going to be a lot to convince a judge that we should pull them out of this family atmosphere, that they are very comfortable and happy in, that they seem very much in love with the other family members, particularly Janet Jackson and Katherine Jackson.

And then to go to this strange woman`s home that they don`t even know is their mother. They have visited her a few times in the past, as we report in the new issue. But they were told that she was the mother and they only think of her as a friend.

GRACE: To Ellie Jostad. Ellie, we know that Dr. Arnold Klein might be one of the give under suspicion by the coroners. Who`s the other?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: The other doctor -- actually CNN has confirmed from a source that Dr. Klein is on that list as well as Dr. Conrad Murray, the doctor who was with Michael when he collapsed.

GRACE: Wouldn`t he do sleepovers and actually stay in the home overnight quite often?

JOSTAD: Right. Other staff members say that five night a week he was there overnight with Michael Jackson.

GRACE: Now I want to clarify, they were not lovers. That was not a romantic relationship. So what was he doing there overnight, Doug Burns?

DOUG BURNS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Apparently the concert promoters wanted to make sure that there was a physician there 24 hours a day. And I think it was part of the London tour where he was going to do 50 shows. I mean that is such an intense schedule that they had a physician there. But again there`s so many...

GRACE: But you just said 24 hours a day. Why come overnight and leave in the morning?

BURNS: Wait a minute. He was going to be there around the clock, apparently, in case there are any emergencies and so on.

GRACE: No. He would come at night and leave in the morning.

BURNS: Oh is that what it was? Is that what you told me?

GRACE: Yes. That the reports we`re getting but I`m impressed with your logic that it was part of the insurance, because that was part of the whole plan, to keep him fit.

BURNS: Of course.

GRACE: What I`m driving at is, somebody was shooting him up. Somebody had to be there and attend him with oxygen, which we know was there, and he was only there overnight.

BURNS: Yes.

GRACE: So it looks bad.

BURNS: It looks terrible. And I`ll tell you what. He`s not the only doctor, Dr. Murray. I mean there are a number of physicians that attended to Michael Jackson all the time over and over again.

GRACE: You`re right.

BURNS: Yes. And people made a great point, which is if you wouldn`t give them what he wanted, then he`d just move on to the next one.

GRACE: To Steve Kardian, former police detective. Steve, the homicide unit is investigating this. It`s just not about only the probate matters. Homicide is investigating. What does that say to you?

STEVE KARDIAN, FORMER POLICE DETECTIVE: Well, Nancy, I think that you`re going to see a number of charges come out of this. I mean Diprivan is a very difficult medication to get and I think that we`re going to be looking at a diversionary investigation in which doctors were taking this, for example, say, they took it out and they were going to use it on a victim that died. You`re going to find that this medication was then diverted elsewhere for illegitimate purposes.

GRACE: You know what, I haven`t heard it explained in that manner, which to me makes it much more serious, Steve Carney, than it already is.

Quickly, shifting gears, a little girl taken on the lamb by her mom and a sex offender out of lockdown is now headed to the loving arms of her grandmother but to foster care?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Little Haylee Donathan was last seen May 28th with her mother and her mother`s sex offender boyfriend who was just released from prison hours earlier.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ohio investigators have turned up some surveillance footage they say shows the missing 4-year-old girl.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I spoke with a woman who actually works here at this Wal-Mart. She said that Candice came in to the store by herself.

GRACE: The mom is in the Wal-Mart so that -- she leaves the 4-year- old baby girl alone and defenseless.

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GRACE: Straight out to Michael Nolting. He`s director with WMRN-AM, joining us from Ohio. Michael, why is the little girl -- I get why she`s not going with the mom. Mommy is facing felony charges. But why not the grandmother?

MICHAEL NOLTING, NEWS DIRECTOR, WMRN-AM, COVERING STORY (via phone): Well, right now, Nancy, we can tell you that there is going to be a jurisdictional hearing in San Diego County that will send Haylee back to Ohio. And word from the Richland County Children Services Department is very, very vague.

They already have a foster home set up for her here and they do have a visitation schedule set up for Haylee`s grandmother. As for the reasons why, we can only take a look at the family and the surrounding that she`s put in and speculate.

GRACE: To Heather Cockley, the attorney from Mary Watson. That is the grandmother. Why?

HEATHER COCKLEY, ATTORNEY REPRESENTS MARY WATSON IN CUSTODY CASE (via phone): You`re specifically asking why she continues to be in shelter care?

GRACE: Why isn`t she coming home to the grandmother?

COCKLEY: I don`t know what`s taking so long to get her from San Diego home. I know that there are some children service investigations going on and the grandmother had certainly hopes that Haylee comes home soon.

GRACE: OK. Heather.

COCKLEY: There is some bureaucracy going on.

GRACE: Heather, hold on. That`s not my question.

COCKLEY: Yes.

GRACE: She`s not going to the grandmother. She`s going to foster care.

COCKLEY: That`s correct.

GRACE: Why?

COCKLEY: The children`s services took emergency custody based on the unknowns in the situation. What`s happening is Mrs. Watson agreed to cooperate with children`s services for a short period of time so we can get Haylee back to Ohio and so that the juvenile court can determine what`s in her best interests.

GRACE: Matt Zarrell, explain to me why she`s not going to the grandmother.

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE STAFFER, COVERING STORY: Well, what`s interesting is that she got emergency custody when Haylee was taken by the mom and the sex offender boyfriend. Now what`s happened is that CPS has done an investigation at the house and unfortunately they revealed that they don`t think it`s a safe environment. They want Haylee with a foster family.

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GRACE: Miss Watson, what got into her to romance a convicted sex offender from behind bars? I mean, she knew he was in prison for a sex offense with a minor.

MARY WATSON, GRANDMOTHER OF HAYLEE DONATHAN: No, she did not know.

GRACE: Well, didn`t she meet him behind bars?

WATSON: No. As far as I know she did not. He has manipulated her.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s been a long journey, it`s almost a month, you know? And just every day that goes by it`s kind of like -- we`re not losing hope but at the same time it definitely is scary. And so I`m just excited to hold her and put her in my arms.

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GRACE: Straight back to Matt Zarrell. Matt, I`m still not getting the clear picture as to why the blood grandmother is not getting custody. Now the attorney Heather Cockley is just saying, well, there`s a slowdown in moving her back to Ohio. No. She`s not going to grandma. She`s going into foster care.

ZARRELL: Well, what`s interesting is that Mary Watson a couple of weeks ago told us that the mother Candace Watson did not know that Robbi Potter was a sex offender. Well, apparently when cops arrested her Candace Watson admitted she did know he was a sex offender, did know he was violating his probation, did know she was helping him escape, and agreed to do it.

GRACE: OK. Well, the fact then, Steve Kardian, that the grandmother may have covered for the daughter who`s now behind bars? Would that have anything to do with it?

KARDIAN: Yes, Nancy. The authorities want to make sure that this child is going to be released into a safe environment.

GRACE: Got it.

KARDIAN: And given the fact that she has two children that are right now both alleged -- and criminals it certainly is under scrutiny about what`s going to happen.

GRACE: You`re right. The daughter helped the sex offender bust out and the son is a sex offender.

To Doug Burns, what do you make of that?

BURNS: No, I mean, to explain the difference between your analysis and what the lawyer said is I think there may be another court hearing in which they`re going to all go in front of the judge and social services is going to say look, we still have this under investigation. We want her in our custody and then the lawyer for the grandmother may take the opposite position.

GRACE: You`re right, Doug Burns, again.

Everyone, let`s stop and remember Army Chief Warrant Officer Three Blane Hepfner, 28, Hubbard, Ohio. Dreamed of enlisting just like his grandfather. A sweet spirit. Always saw good in others. Loved the Pittsburgh Steelers, riding his Harley, charity rides, and flying.

Motto? My lifestyle may not add years to my life but it adds life to my years. Leaves behind parents Stan and Renee, brother William, three sisters, Jannelle, Carrie, Rebecca. 5-year-old daughter, Catherine.

Blane Hepfner, American hero.

Thanks to our guest but especially to you for being with us. I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.

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