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DEA Raids Michael Jackson`s Doctor`s Office

Aired July 22, 2009 - 20:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. The mystery surrounding the sudden death of music icon Michael Jackson intensifies, questions mounting as to his sudden death, his half-a-billion-dollar empire, and more important, custody of the star`s three little children.

After murder charges leveled in the death of Jackson, his family publicly claiming he was murdered, bombshell tonight. Just hours ago, the DEA, LAPD and Houston police join forces in a surprise raid on Jackson`s live-in doctor, police searching for evidence of manslaughter, seizing numerous items, images of computer hard drives, scores of documents, charges aimed at Jackson`s live-in doctor by Jackson`s family who points the finger at the private doc allegedly performing CPR at the time the music icon died. This after it`s revealed police seized evidence from Jackson`s own bedroom to make a case of homicide, including a bedside oxygen tank, a bag of liquid from an IV pole, multiple tanks of oxygen from the bedroom and garage.

At the same time the raid goes down hours ago on Jackson`s private doc, is grandmother, Katherine Jackson being manipulating into having her son, superstar Michael Jackson, declared incompetent -- incompetent! -- at the time he wrote his will? Is she being played like a fiddle by father Joe Jackson? Legal experts say incompetence is the only way the Jacksons can finally get their mitts on Jackson`s half-a-billion-dollar empire.

Tonight, we learn not one but two autopsies reveal fresh needle marks and the deadly drug propofol in Jackson`s system. And yes, it was predicted women would come out of the woodwork claiming to be the bio mom of Jackson`s children, but tonight, has a bio son emerged? That`s right, is there a fourth Jackson offspring?

All this as we uncover the secret location of Jackson`s body, hidden miles away, protected by armed guards to stop would-be body snatchers. Surrounding neighbors tonight mount a battle to stop the Jackson brothers` plan for a burial theme park at Neverland. It`s war!

A high-tech security system allegedly monitoring every inch of the home, with a secret video of Jackson`s final moments gone. Also, a bag of drugs, an IV pole, syringes, IV bags gone. A second autopsy revealing fresh needle marks in Jackson`s neck, veins riddled with track marks, skin paper white, body emaciated, reports he wanted to be put under with an IV drip for days on end, lying there like a living corpse.

As the vultures circle his dead body, including corporate giant AEG trying to sell video of his last rehearsal for $50 million, the fate of his three children unknown.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a person doctor here with him, sir.

911 OPERATOR: Oh, you have a doctor there?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Breaking news for you on the Michael Jackson investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Clearly, what you`re seeing there is a full-scale search warrant being served on the offices in Houston there of Dr. Murray.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police searched the Houston office of Michael Jackson`s personal doctor. That is Conrad Murray. They served a warrant that, quote, "authorized law enforcement to search for and seize items they believe constitute evidence of the offense of manslaughter." That is from a statement by Dr. Murray`s attorney.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They had no idea this was happening. In fact, they say that throughout this investigation, they have been completely cooperating with authorities, saying that, Hey, if they wanted anything, they should have just asked for it. We`d be more happy to give (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Murray has emerged as a central figure in the investigation into Michael Jackson`s death. The doctor was with the singer when he collapsed and died at his Los Angeles home last month.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Clearly, something during this investigation prompted them to take this to another level.

JOE JACKSON, MICHAEL JACKSON`S FATHER: You want to know about foul play? If a doctor (INAUDIBLE) couldn`t bring you (ph) back, this doctor, he ran away. They had to look for him three days to find him. So what do you think (INAUDIBLE)? To me, that`s foul play.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`ve never seen my brother have any different abnormal behavior that would -- in any substance that would cause that. So to say these things, I don`t know.

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. The mystery surrounding the sudden death of music superstar Michael Jackson intensifies.

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JOE JACKSON: You don`t take a doctor and stick him in the room there and the doctor give him something to make him rest, and then he don`t wake up no more. Something is wrong there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Federal agents are searching a Houston building in connection with the death of Michael Jackson, and the search warrant uses the word "manslaughter." Live pictures there as investigators are searching the Houston office of Michael Jackson`s personal doctor, Dr. Conrad Murray. The Drug Enforcement Administration tells CNN it is assisting the LAPD in executing a search warrant at that address.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The DEA helping out with a search warrant being executed on the offices, the clinic of Dr. Conrad Murray. This is the doctor that was with Michael Jackson at the time of his death. He has been interviewed by investigators here in Los Angeles. But clearly, they are going in, looking for more material.

JOE JACKSON: The doctor just -- somehow, I understand that he left or went to sleep or something. I don`t know what happened there. Something went wrong because when they tried, to bring Michael back, he was dead. Something went wrong.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The spokesperson for Dr. Murray`s attorneys, they say they are completely surprised by this. They say that they have been cooperating. The doctor said, Anything that they want from us, we`re more than willing to give them, saying that they`re surprised that a search warrant was served.

JOE JACKSON: Something happened there. There was just so many drugs, there`s just something else behind all of that. I`m thinking that it`s foul play.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m not sure if he`s in Mr. Gordy`s crypt or whatever (INAUDIBLE) I was totally against that. I fought to get him in Neverland. It`s his work. It`s his imagination. It`s what he dreamed of. And he had dreamed and he imagined and brought it to reality. And I just feel that`s where he needs to be.

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GRACE: In the last hours, the DEA joins forces with the LAPD and Houston police in a surprise raid on Michael Jackson`s live-in doctor. Straight out to Ted Rowlands joining us there in L.A. What happened, Ted?

TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Nancy, 21 documents and a copy of the hard drive of a computer in Dr. Murray`s clinic was taken out of that clinic. But the shocker here, when you talk to Dr. Murray`s lawyers` representatives, is that this was a complete surprise to them. They said they had open dialogue. They said they had a meeting scheduled, a third interview scheduled in L.A. on Friday between Murray and investigators and this was a completely shock.

And then that search warrant saying in it that they were looking for materials that would back up, basically, a possible -- possible case of manslaughter against Murray. Clearly, after all the back-and-forth, is this a death investigation, homicide investigation, it`s a homicide investigation.

GRACE: Ted Rowlands joining us from L.A. Ted, in every search warrant, as you well know, there`s got to be probable cause for police to swoop in and start searching. What was their probable cause? What did they lay out against this doctor?

ROWLANDS: We don`t have a copy of the search warrant yet, and that is troubling in itself that that hasn`t surfaced. It was probably filed under seal. We`ve been desperately trying to get a copy of it to get more -- like you say, more information as to the probable cause. But clearly, there was probable cause during this investigation, something they came across, whether it was in the interviews with Murray or some of the other evidence or some of the other interviews with other doctors that led them to go to the clinic and get what they wanted, not ask for what they wanted, but go in there and get it. And a judge said, Yes, you have the probable cause, go ahead, because it was signed off on, obviously. So a big difference in this whole investigation between this cooperation level and now a search warrant...

GRACE: Oh, yes. Ted Rowlands joining us from L.A.

Out to Mike Brooks, former fed with the FBI. Mike, this is serious because all this back-and-forth, It`s not a homicide, It is a homicide -- they go in, in a surprise raid on this guy`s office, the private doctor, the live-in doctor with Michael Jackson, to raid him, go through his computer, take images of his hard drive. We know scores of documents were taken. What do you think, Ted? (SIC)

MIKE BROOKS, FORMER D.C. POLICE, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Well, no, Nancy, I can tell you, you know, for them to get that search warrant -- some of our viewers might not realize what probable cause is. Probable cause -- any set of facts or circumstances that would lead a reasonable and prudent officer to believe that a crime is being committed, has been committed or is about to be committed. So that`s what they`re looking for, something for manslaughter, Nancy.

GRACE: Out to Ian Drew, senior editor with "US Weekly.` Weigh in, Ian.

IAN DREW, "US WEEKLY": Yes, well, this has been building all along. I mean, we`ve known this since day one, and it`s what the Jackson family wanted. I mean, they have been after proving that Michael was in great form, this is exactly a total mystery to us. Meanwhile, they`ve kind of been lying through their teeth. I mean, there were interventions planned. There was all kinds of things going on. He was not in as good a shape as we thought, a lot of the different things that were going on with him at the time in getting ready for this, jarring his system, and the drugs, and the doctor then running away after he died, sort of plays into this murder mystery. And it`s getting more and more real by the day, as we can see.

GRACE: Joining us tonight exclusively since subpoenas went out, nurse Cherilyn Lee, the former nurse to Michael Jackson, her office searched by the coroner today. Thank you for being with us. I think I`ve got Cherilyn Lee with me. Cherilyn, are you there?

OK, Liz, try to hook me up with her. In the meantime, let`s unleash the lawyers. Joining me, Susan Moss, New York, Renee Rockwell, Atlanta, Hugo Rodriguez joining me out of Miami.

Let`s go to he lines. Donna in Toronto. Hi, Donna.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi.

GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s more of a comment. I mean, I really like Michael Jackson and I feel badly that he`s gone, but at what point do we take responsibility for our own health? I mean, this doctor -- he can be charged tomorrow, but there`s a hundred more to take his place. He had three children, and now they`re orphans. And he was playing Russian roulette with his life.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s not breathing, sir.

911 OPERATOR: OK. And he`s not conscious, either. He`s not breathing...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, he`s not conscious, sir.

911 OPERATOR: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Leave him alone. Stop the crazy names that they call him because what more do you have to do to make people realize he was a human being?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did anybody witness what happened?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, just the doctor, sir. The doctor`s been the only one here.

JOE JACKSON: I have a lot of concern.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What are your concerns?

JOE JACKSON: I can`t get into that, but I don`t like what happened.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s nothing in his history, nothing that Dr. Murray knew, that would lead him to believe that he would go into sudden cardiac arrest or respiratory failure.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His daughter said it all, My daddy. He was a human being. He was a person. He was a father. He was an uncle. He was a brother. He was a son. And they need to leave him alone.

He`s the number one donor of just charity around the globe, giving his just every cent from his tours, giving it to charity. So to paint him to be this person that he`s not, it bothers me. It bothers my family. It bothers all of us.

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GRACE: Out to the lines. Dee in Texas. Hi, Dee.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello. Nancy, I just have a quick question. Michael had had this drug before and had seen the doctor give it to him, and it sounds like he already had an IV catheter in. Could he have possibly implant the IV tubing himself and had given himself the lethal dose? The nurse had said that he knew when he saw the first drop, he would be able to sleep and he wasn`t afraid because he had had it done before.

GRACE: Out to Brian Oxman, former Jackson family attorney and host of "Insight" on Newsradio KLAA. What about it, Brian?

BRIAN OXMAN, FORMER JACKSON FAMILY ATTORNEY: That is exactly what the police are investigating, Nancy. You`ve got so much speculation, so many accusations being made here. You got to listen to the police and you got to watch their actions. Their actions today say they mean business and that there is big fire where there is smoke here. And the police are saying, through their actions, that they`ve got evidence, that they are acting on that evidence. It`s going to be slow and meticulous. But watch out. They`re doing their job. I give them an A-plus.

GRACE: Brian, that was not even remotely the question.

OXMAN: You can`t tell...

GRACE: The question is, was it...

OXMAN: You cannot tell the answer to that.

GRACE: ... suicide...

OXMAN: Let the police do it.

GRACE: And what police did has nothing to do with suicide. It has to do with manslaughter.

OXMAN: That`s correct. You cannot tell the last hours of Michael Jackson`s business nor should you speculate what they are. Let the police do their job because they`re doing it very well.

GRACE: To Dr. Marty Makary joining us from Johns Hopkins. He`s a physician and professor of public health there. Doctor Makary, physically speaking -- I mean, I don`t know the psyche of Michael Jackson at the time of his death. But physically speaking, would that have been possible, to commit suicide in that manner?

DR. MARTY MAKARY, PHYSICIAN, JOHNS HOPKINS: You know, it would have to be a single large dose of that propofol. Nobody takes propofol like that, Nancy. Propofol is a slow drip over time that`s used for general anesthesia, and the second it`s turned off is the second you wake up. So it`s really inconceivable somebody would self-administer propofol.

GRACE: Back to Ted Rowlands joining us from L.A. Tell me again what they seized, Ted, regarding the computer?

ROWLANDS: They basically went in and they copied a hard drive of one of the computers inside the clinic, and then they also took 21 separate documents aside from that. But on the hard drive, you know, as you can imagine, there could be thousands of documents and the history, presumably, that they were looking for dating back to who knows what. So the computer hard drive is most likely the key bit of evidence here.

GRACE: To Nekesa Moody joining us tonight, music editor with the A.P. She`s been covering this from the very beginning. Nekesa, what do you make of it?

NEKESA MOODY, MUSIC EDITOR, ASSOCIATED PRESS: Well, I think that people have been focusing on Conrad Murray for a long time and I think they -- obviously, they`re going to look at him because he was the only person in the room. I think that there`s so much speculation and so much intense interest, the police have to do whatever they can to really find out exactly what`s going on because there`s just so much intense interest from his family, from fans. People want to know what exactly was his role.

GRACE: Back to the lawyers, Lenard Leeds, Susan Moss, Renee Rockwell, Hugo Rodriguez. Susan Moss, the attorneys for Jackson`s live-in doctor keep saying he`s cooperating. He`s having all of these interviews with them. Another one was set up. That is all BS! The police have had it up to here with his cooperating and they raided him.

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: Absolutely. And it`s not just this doctor. Michael Jackson had so many doctors, they should be called them the Jackson 12! There`s a whole host of people who were giving prescriptions to this guy, prescriptions that probably were not warranted. The fact that this guy had Diprivan in his house is outrageous! That should only be in a surgical setting. All of those doctors are going to go down, and some of them are going to go down for murder!

GRACE: And to you, Natisha Lance, on the story from the very beginning. What can you tell me about grandmother Katherine Jackson being manipulated into trying to declare Michael Jackson incompetent at the time he signed his will?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, Katherine Jackson filed a petition today, Nancy, and in this petition, she is asking to assume the role as the administer (ph). Now, there`s two executors already on the will. And what we`re being told is that the only way that the will would be able to be found null and void would be if Michael Jackson was found to be competent (SIC) when he signed his name on that will dated back in 2002.

GRACE: So Lenard Leeds, how likely is it they`re mounting a battle of incompetence, trying to claim he was out of it, crazy at the time he signed his will? How hard is that to do?

LENARD LEEDS, ESTATE ATTORNEY (via telephone): It`s virtually impossible. To go back seven years and say that he was incompetent at that time -- and when we look at the will, it seems reasonable. He left his estate to his kids and to his mother. What`s wrong with that?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s very simple when it comes to the children. The will is what it is. It`s a will from my brother because that`s the way he would have done it. That`s the way he did it. My mother gets full custody of the children. And the children will be fine. They`re with my mother right now and my kids. And anybody that tries to contest this will on any level, whether it`s with the executors or whether it`s with anything, they`re not living out Michael`s wishes.

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CHERILYN LEE, MICHAEL JACKSON`S FORMER NURSE: What he was looking for was sleep. And he asked for medication that he had had previously to help him to sleep. And he wanted to have a good eight hours` sleep.

GRACE: What did he say exactly, Ms. Lee?

LEE: He said that, I want an IV. And he was telling me the name of the medication, which it sounds so much like other medications. And I said, Repeat it again. So he said, It`s Diprivan. And I said, you know, I really don`t know what that is, Michael. Let me check that out. And after checking it out and everything, and I went back to Michael and I said, This is a medication that is not used in a home, especially for an IV for sleep. You don`t want to do this, Michael, against all my advice. I said, Don`t do this.

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GRACE: And joining us tonight exclusively since these subpoenas went out, that nurse, Cherilyn Lee, the former nurse to Michael Jackson, today, her office searched by the coroner`s office and they have made it very clear publicly she is not a suspect, in fact, is cooperating, helping police in their investigation. Cherilyn Lee, thank you for being with us.

LEE (via telephone): Oh, thank you very much, Nancy, for having me.

GRACE: Yes, ma`am. I know that you tried to stop Michael Jackson from his collision course. Coroner`s at your office today. What were they looking for? What did they take?

LEE: Well, you know, I have been conversing with them ever since Friday -- actually, the Friday before the -- July 3rd, before the 4th of July. And we were to meet at my office. And based on traffic, and you know, right before holiday, we didn`t meet up at my office. One of the deputies was going to meet me at my office. So that didn`t happen.

So we`ve been in communication, and I knew they, you know, wanted a copy. They said -- I had a call last week, last Friday, that, you know, based on, you know, protocol, that, We have to issue you a subpoena. I said, I know. I understand that. And she said, Well, what I`ll do is e- mail it to you and you can fax it back to me.

And I said OK. Then the more I thought about it, I said, I went through so much and everything that I have been stating, you know, is in detail in this file. So I wanted to make sure that it was very clear on every nutritional level, as far as testing and everything, that everybody saw a clear picture. So I told them the file was actually too large for me to fax it over and that I can meet her and she can pick it up, or I could bring it to her. So they sent someone to the office just to pick up the medical records so the could confirm what they have heard from (INAUDIBLE) They just wanted a hard copy of it. That`s all.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking news in the investigation into the death of Michael Jackson. Just hours ago, federal drug agents raided the office of Dr. Conrad Murray.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Reports about the powerful sedative Diprivan now found in Michael Jackson`s home. This powerful drug is used in operating rooms to knock out patients.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Conrad Murray was Michael Jackson`s personal doctor and was with him when he died.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If there`s any indication that these drugs may have been administered by another party via injection then this very much could be a homicide investigation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dr. Murray`s lawyers say detectives are looking for evidence of manslaughter.

MICHAEL JACKSON, KING OF POP: As you may already know, after my tour ended I remained out of the country undergoing treatment for a dependency on pain medication.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If that powerful anesthetic was the cause of death, then anyone who issued that anesthetic to Michael Jackson and was not physically there to administer it committed gross negligence and should be held accountable.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The "Sun" newspaper in London says it interviewed Tito Jackson, Michael Jackson`s older brother, and in speaking about Dr. Murray, the paper says Tito said, quote, :"My opinion is that he panicked when my brother didn`t wake up. I think the doctor figured there could be trouble. He tried to revive Michael. I believe if he had immediately called for help, we might still have my brother here today."

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: La Toya, do you still believe in a conspiracy?

LA TOYA JACKSON, MICHAEL JACKSON`S SISTER: It`s murder. I think someone did it. That`s my opinion.

JERMAINE JACKSON, MICHAEL JACKSON`S BROTHER: I`m not sure if he`s in Mr. Gordy`s crypt or whatever it is. But I was totally against that. I fought to get him at Neverland. It`s his work. It`s his imagination. It`s what he dreamed of and he had dreams and he imagined and he brought it to reality. And I just feel that`s where he needs to be.

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: We are taking your calls live. Out to Sharon in Florida. Hi, Sharon.

SHARON, CALLER FROM FLORIDA: Hi, Nancy, how are you?

GRACE: I`m good, dear. What`s your question?

SHARON: Well, last week, you said on several, several occasions that the doctor came at night and left first thing in the morning. Why is that date he just so happens to be there at lunchtime?

GRACE: Excellent question. Excellent question. What do you know about it, Natisha Lance?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: We`re being told, Nancy, is that Dr. Murray would be on call for Michael Jackson at anytime. So he could come at night, he could come in the morning, but whenever Michael Jackson needed him is when he would be at the home.

GRACE: Now, Natisha, where we got a lot of that information is when his personal chef was describing all of the oxygen tanks he saw coming in and out of the home. And he, as I recall, was the one that detailed how this doctor would come, Conrad Murray would come in the evening and leave in the morning. But basically, he could come whenever, correct?

LANCE: That`s correct.

GRACE: I want to go back to a special guest joining us tonight exclusively. Cherilyn Lee, the former nurse to Michael Jackson. Today, her office visited and searched by the coroner`s. Files taken.

So, Miss Lee, they wanted what you offered, which was basically Jackson`s entire medical file that you had.

CHERILYN LEE, FMR. NURSE TO MICHAEL JACKSON; OFFICE SEARCHED BY CORONER`S OFFICE TODAY (via phone): Yes. But they did -- it didn`t quite happen like that because the call that I received was, they were going to - - they actually sent me an e-mail with the subpoena and told me I could just fax over.

GRACE: Right, I heard that.

LEE: . the documents.

GRACE: And it was too much to fax.

LEE: Yes, so.

GRACE: What do they.

LEE: So I told them that they -- you know we could just (INAUDIBLE) and pick it up and I`ll have it ready for them.

GRACE: I understood that from before. What is in the medical file that would be relevant to what has -- to Jackson`s death?

LEE: They really just wanted a hard copy of what I had already stated. And they said thank you very much for coming forward stating -- about the medication for us to look for because we didn`t -- it wasn`t never known to look for that. So they just wanted it in writing. And they`ve just had to follow legal, you know, protocol for obtaining a medical file. That`s all.

GRACE: Out to the lawyers, Lenard Leeds, Susan Moss, Renee Rockwell, Hugo Rodriguez. They have stated very clearly that she is not a suspect, Renee Rockwell, but when you are a subject of a surprise raid, I`m not talking about the nurse, I`m talking about the private live-in doctor, you`ve got problems.

His lawyers keep going on TV saying everything is fine. We`re cooperating. We are having interviews. Interview (INAUDIBLE). This is a raid.

RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, Nancy. I would disagree with anybody that has ever said this is merely an investigation. To me, it was always a murder investigation.

The doctors have involved themselves and had dialogue with the police. But this was definitely a surprise attack and I imagine it was in light of the fact that perhaps more material could have been destroyed.

GRACE: Hugo Rodriguez?

HUGO RODRIGUEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY, FMR. FBI AGENT: I think I have got to agree. They wanted to surprise him and -- before anything was destroyed and to see what was there. Obviously, we know that Michael had this anesthetic medicine in him.

But I`ve read a report that he traveled previously with anesthesiologists that would take him up and bring him down. We don`t know exactly what happened but they want to find out who administered what, what doses, and if it was the proper thing to do.

This is going to be a battle of medical experts.

GRACE: Joining me right now, psychologist, Dr. Caryn Stark, joining us out of New York. Caryn, it`s great to see you, again. Caryn, two things, number one, a doctor. I can imagine this physical image hovering over Jackson, putting an IV in him, making him sleep overnight on an operating room sedative.

Why? Doctors can make a very, very fat living off just being a doctor. Why do something like that?

CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: I feel like it`s the celebrity, Nancy. It has to do with wanting to be around a person like that. And it`s so powerful that people begin to do things that they wouldn`t ordinarily do. It`s very hard to resist when a celebrity is asking you to do something like that.

GRACE: And Caryn Star, we are hearing reports that grandmother, Katherine Jackson, now 79 years -old, the legal guardian of his three children pursuant to his will, is being manipulated, being pressured to challenge Jackson`s competency at the time he wrote the will.

In other words, say he didn`t know what he was doing. And we all know that a few weeks before his death, they were all out celebrating an anniversary at Jackson`s favorite Indian food restaurant. So how can those two things fit together?

STARK: And if he didn`t know what he was doing, Nancy, then he named his mother to have custody of his children. So then that doesn`t make sense either. She doesn`t seem like that kind of person, but my guess is that she`s getting a lot of pressure because of financial gain. And that perhaps her husband is behind it because it doesn`t make any sense.

GRACE: And we all know, reports that AEG is now trying to sell the last video of Jackson`s rehearsal for about $60 million. The family getting the lion`s share of that. 40 percent of that under the will would go to Katherine Jackson, 40 to the children and 20 to charity.

I want to go back to Natisha Lance.

Natisha, we predicted that women would crawl out of the woodwork claiming they are the bio-mom of the three children. Now, an alleged bio- son has crawled down the woodwork. What`s that about?

LANCE: Yes. This person`s name is Omar Bhatti and he`s 25 years old. Allegedly, he was at the memorial for Michael Jackson. His mother is named Pia Bhatti. Apparently, according to reports, they lived at Neverland for a certain period of time. And not only is she the mother of this child but she allegedly is also the mother of Michael Jackson`s youngest child, Blanket.

Now like you said, Nancy, people are crawling out of the woodwork and I guess you have to question the sources. Is this about a legitimate claim?

GRACE: Hold on, Natisha. Look at the screen. We`re showing the Jackson family at Jackson`s memorial. There`s a red arrow on the left of the screen reportedly pointing to this young man.

LANCE: Right. We haven`t been able to confirm it. But you have to question the sources. You have to wonder, is it a legitimate claim or is this just because it`s Michael Jackson and there`s a lot of money that`s at stake here?

GRACE: So this guy, now 25 years old, claiming, allegedly claiming he`s the bio-son of Michael Jackson is up there on a front row with the family? Is that what I just saw?

LANCE: That`s allegedly what you just saw but we haven`t been able to.

GRACE: What we think we saw. What we think we saw.

LANCE: Correct.

GRACE: OK, this is what I don`t get. Lenard Leeds, you`re the expert in wills and estate. Why would he wait until Jackson is dead to try to make a claim?

LENARD LEEDS, ESTATE ATTORNEY; FMR. ESTATE ATTORNEY FOR ANNA NICOLE SMITH (via phone): I think he may have just thought of it. You know? He.

GRACE: What?

LEEDS: First, when nobody pre-thought that Jackson would die like that. Who knows? I mean he would have to have some kind of blood test or proof that he`s the son and maybe when Jackson was alive, he never came forward.

GRACE: OK. Marty Makary, tell me, can you do a fraternity test post autopsy?

DR. MARTY MAKARY, PHYSICIAN, PROF. OF PUBLIC HEALTH, JOHNS HOPKINS: Sure you can. The DNA is still there.

GRACE: How?

MAKARY: You take a sample. There`s an analysis that takes about four or five days. They run the sample. They get a map of your DNA and they try to match it to whoever they`re looking at.

GRACE: OK, quick break, everybody. We`re taking your calls. But now tonight`s safety tips.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Early this morning, a team of L.A. detectives, (INAUDIBLE) patrolman and DEA agents entered the clinic with search warrants. They spent about 2 1/2 hours inside going through Dr. Conrad Murray`s medical records.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A source involved with the investigation told us numerous bottles of prescription medication had been found in Jackson`s $100,000 a month rented mansion.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If a doctor irresponsibly gave Michael Jackson Driprivan and that`s the primary cause of death, how is that not murder?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Murray`s attorney says they were looking for evidence of manslaughter. The first confirmation that L.A. police may be pursuing criminal justice in Michael Jackson`s death. But the warrant is sealed so there`s no way to know specifically what was listed in it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dr. Conrad Murray was with Michael Jackson when he died. But Murray is only one of several doctors who treated Jackson. L.A. police won`t say if any search warrants have been issued for any of the other positions.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Michael Jackson had a very good relationship with all of his doctors. Michael Jackson was controlling everything. Remember, he put a physician on his payroll for this concert. So, evidently, he was the one who was telling him what he needed.

J. JACKSON: I`ve never seen my brother have any different, abnormal behavior that would -- any substance that would cause that. So to say these things, I don`t know. I`ve never seen it. So I would say no.

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GRACE: Back to Ted Rowlands joining us there in L.A. Ted, explain to me how the raid went down? What time, what happened, who was there, did they let him in, did they have to bust the door down? What exactly went down?

TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, they didn`t have to bust the door down by any stretch of the imagination.

GRACE: Good to know.

ROWLANDS: It took about 2 1/2 hours -- what`s that?

GRACE: Good to know.

ROWLANDS: Yes. Yes. That was very good to know. Operation is still taking place. But 2 1/2 hours it took them, not a lot of time. They obviously knew what they were looking for. And they brought with them some folks with the DEA that are experts in this field that could help them basically target their search.

So LAPD had a lot of help with people who are familiar with clinics and pharmacy type atmospheres looking for records. They`ve got that hard drive, a copy of the hard drive, 21 documents, and then they were out. So 2 1/2 hours, it didn`t seem like too big a deal. When you look at the video, they sure didn`t bring a lot of agents.

GRACE: Was the doctor there when the raid went down?

ROWLANDS: No, apparently not. According to the lawyers, he was not there when the raid went down.

GRACE: Do we.

ROWLANDS: And -- again they said that it was a complete surprise.

GRACE: Do we have any idea whether the claims by Jackson`s family that this doctor went missing, was hiding for about three days after Michael Jackson`s death?

ROWLANDS: Yes. No, totally false. Basically what happened was, initially after Michael Jackson died, Murray was at the hospital, talked to investigators for a short period of time. Then he left. And at that point, he retained counsel. This counsel out of Houston. They came to Los Angeles to help facilitate the communication between Murray and detectives before he went to talk to detectives. He wanted a lawyer.

That`s simply what it was.

GRACE: OK.

ROWLANDS: There was a time delay and it really got blown out of proportion.

GRACE: Back to Dr. Marty Makary, physician and professor of public health at Johns Hopkins. Dr. Makary, what are they looking for in his hard drive? I mean, if, if, he were illegally getting his hands on Diprivan, propofol, what you give people before they go into surgery to knock Jackson out for hours on end, days on end, why would he have that on a record in his computer?

MAKARY: Well, because it would take a lot to get Diprivan. It may need to be ordered from overseas. It may need to come from a distributor or it may need to be acquired through an accomplice at a hospital, on supply room.

Right now, the problem with this case is they`ve got nothing that directly connects this doctor with Michael Jackson`s death with the exception of the fact he was doing CPR when the medics arrived.

GRACE: Let me ask you this, Makary.

MAKARY: So they need something.

GRACE: Dr. Makary, how long will propofol, a.k.a., Diprivan, stay in the system? Would it show up in an autopsy?

MAKARY: Yes, it would. It`ll show up in autopsy and toxicology.

GRACE: OK. So if the doctor is there, they`ve got fresh track marks in his neck, I doubt he shot himself up himself in the neck, and he`s full of Diprivan, that`s three powerful evidence, wouldn`t you say, Dr. Makary?

MAKARY: Well, they could always make a case that someone else administered. It was self-administered.

GRACE: Right.

MAKARY: The nurse administered it. So it`s -- there`s going to need to be some hard evidence to make a connection for manslaughter.

GRACE: Out to Ian Drew, senior editor with "Us Weekly." I understand that Debbie Rowe is still in the fight for control of not only his money, but custody of his three children.

IAN DREW, SENIOR EDITOR, US WEEKLY, INTERVIEWED MICHAEL JACKSON, DEBBIE ROWE IN THE PAST: She is. There`s been several false reports disseminated and I have since found out that that is by people close to the Jackson side of things, the Jackson family, saying that she wants to settle for money. She doesn`t want custody of the kids. She doesn`t even want to see them.

I have spoken to sources very close to Debbie Rowe. As you know, I`ve interviewed her many times over the years. I`ve known her. And they assure me she is still after custody. 100 percent. Don`t let anyone tell you otherwise.

GRACE: Out to Nicole in Missouri. Hi, Nicole.

NICOLE, CALLER FROM MISSOURI: Hi, Nancy, I love your show.

GRACE: Thank you.

NICOLE: I just wanted to ask and I think the previous speaker just answered it, if this is available only in a hospital setting, the sedative, how could the doctor get a hold of it? And I was thinking inside help from a hospital? Someone.

GRACE: How is that -- Dr. Makary, how could they with an accomplice in a hospital?

MAKARY: Well, these are locked up in a hospital. Not even I as a doctor can have easy access to this in the hospital. So somebody has to get it from a locked, secured area. And that`s how it would have to be supplied.

GRACE: To Christy in Montana. Hi, Christy.

CHRISTY, CALLER FROM MONTANA: Hi, Nancy.

GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?

CHRISTY: First of all, I`d like to tell you that my mother Maxine and I just absolutely love your show and you are just a true blessing.

GRACE: Thank you, thank you very much.

CHRISTY: My question is for the last few weeks, I know they have been talking about whether or not his dermatologist could be the potential father of a couple of the kids. And I`m just wondering, they never questioned the paternity of any of the children while he was living, why would the paternity come into question at his death?

I mean, he was obviously a good father during the time he was living, why would they question who`s the father now?

GRACE: Over money would be the only reason I could think of.

Lenard Leeds, a lot of people want that allegedly half a billion dollar empire. And if they had to cut out the three children by claiming they were neither adopted no biological, I imagine somebody would do it, or try to do it.

LEEDS: No, I think it`s so far removed, I mean, that`s not even reasonable at this point. He`s the father on the birth certificate. That`s just an impossible challenge.

GRACE: Well, we don`t know that he`s the bio father and we do know he never formally adopted them, Lenard.

LEEDS: But it`s presumed that he`s the father.

GRACE: Right.

LEEDS: He was married to Debbie Rowe. She`s the mother. And my understanding is that he is on the birth certificate. How are you going to challenge that now?

GRACE: I imagine demanding DNA. I don`t even know if that`s legally possible.

We`ll be right back. We`re taking your calls. But happy birthday to one of our stars, makeup superstar, Denitra.

Happy birthday, beautiful friend.

And happy 85th to Georgia, friend of the show, Dorothy, mother of 10, grandmother to 30, great-grandmother to 44 and one great-great.

Happy birthday, Dorothy.

And tonight, 59 years ago about this time, two very special people set off on a ride of a lifetime. 59 years. Still together. After braces, school, college, law school, grad school, allergy doctors, you did it all.

Happy anniversary, Mother and Daddy.

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JOE JACKSON, MICHAEL JACKSON`S FATHER: Saying that I beat Michael, that`s not true. You know where those beating started? The beating started in the slavery days.

A lot of people in America spanked their kids. You know? If they say they don`t, they`re lying. They`re lying. Now Michael was never beaten by me.

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GRACE: Come on, Joe Jackson. Even Michael Jackson`s cousin came on the show the other night trying to defend you and had to admit you beat him with a strap, OK? So what do we think you did to your own son?

That was Joe Jackson trying to claim he never, never laid a hand on Michael Jackson.

So Ian Drew, senior editor, "Us Weekly" what do you make of reports from E! that propofol or Diprivan has been found in both autopsies, including the autopsy requested by the Jackson family?

DREW: Well, I think that`s absolutely true. I mean we-- I have heard personally about this drug since I was interviewing Michael years ago at the beginning of the decade. So I know about this drug. I heard about Demerol. I heard about all the drugs being banded about now. So none of this is new and none of this is surprising.

GRACE: Mike Brooks, wrap it up.

MIKE BROOKS, FMR. DC POLICE DETECTIVE SERVED ON FBI TERRORISM TASK FORCE: DEA, Lapd, Houston, they`re on the case. And they`re going to find out, they`re going to find out the cause and manner of death is. And it`s looking like it could be -- manslaughter, homicide or accidental overdose.

GRACE: And, Dr. Caryn Stark, what do you think will be the final outcome with the children? Right now, apparently, they don`t even understand their father is dead.

STARK: I think they`re going to wind up with their grandmother and this will always affect them, Nancy. There`s going to be a big hole in their hearts.

GRACE: Everyone, let`s stop and remember Marine Captain Todd Siebert, 34, Baden, Pennsylvania, killed Iraq. Highly decorated, also served Afghanistan. Awarded the Purple Heart, Combat Action ribbon, Iraq campaign media.

A Penn State grad, a member of the Marine Historical Society, loved collecting World War II memorabilia and landscaping. Leaves behind parents Thomas and Dorothy, brother Thomas, sisters Denise and Diana, widow Darcy, 9-year-old daughter, Alicia, 6-year-old son, Nicholas.

Todd Siebert, American hero.

Thanks to our guests but especially to you and a special good night from a group of young crime fighters from the junior D.A. program, Fulton County, Atlanta. Aren`t they beautiful? Once you all grow up, and go to law school and become prosecutors.

I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern and until then good night, friend.

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