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Officials Raid Jackson`s Doctor`s Las Vegas Home, Office

Aired July 28, 2009 - 20:00   ET

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JEAN CASAREZ, GUEST HOST: We begin tonight with breaking news. As we go to air, the DEA, LAPD and Las Vegas police swarming the home and office of Michael Jackson`s private doctor, investigators executing search warrants for computer records, documents and other evidence. The raids come on the heels of sources confirming police believe Michael Jackson`s doctor, Conrad Murray, gave him a powerful drug that may have killed Jackson. Tonight, are investigators closing in on Jackson`s private doctor? And will criminal charges be next?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dramatic turn in the investigation of Michael Jackson`s death. At the center of this breaking story, Jackson`s personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray. Tonight for the first time, he is being directly connected to the drugs that may have killed Michael Jackson.

CHERILYN LEE, MICHAEL JACKSON`S FORMER NURSE: He said that, I want an IV (INAUDIBLE) Diprivan. You don`t want to do this, Michael. I said, Don`t do this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We know Murray was in Jackson`s house. We know he was on the scene when the 911 call was made.

911 OPERATOR: Did anybody witness what happened?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, just the doctor, sir. The doctor`s been the only one here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The drug is known by the brand name Diprivan. It`s also known propofol. And we`re told Jackson`s doctor gave it to him within 24 hours of his death.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The inclination to make him a scapegoat is strong here, and we have to be careful to say that it`s not clear that a crime took place, much less that Dr. Murray committed on.

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CASAREZ: And also tonight, live to Idaho and the desperate search for a little 8-year-old boy who vanishes without a trace. Where is Robert?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: FBI agents have joined the search for a missing Idaho boy. Authorities say 8-year-old boy, Robert Manwill (ph) vanished just after leaving home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We did area searches. We conducted large area searches, home-to-home searches. We did interviews, and we followed all the leads that we got. We drained the pond in the apartment complex. We checked over 50 leads that have come in since Robert disappeared.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So far, all efforts, all search and rescue efforts, have turned up nothing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: After a full day of searching the area around the little boy`s apartment, authorities changed their approach, sending crews to back alleys and yards, even telling volunteers to look in trash cans.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`d like you to go out into your yards. We`d like you go to out if you have abandoned vehicles, abandoned refrigerators, small hiding places, small nooks. Any place where a 50-pound, 8-year-old boy could be, that`s where we want you to go.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Manwill says it`s not like his son just disappeared.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If somebody`s seen him, you know, please, please call the police. You know, all`s we want is our little boy back!

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CASAREZ: Good evening. I`m Jean Casarez of the legal network In Session in for Nancy Grace. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. Breaking news. As we go to air, more raids go down, more search warrants executed, all connected to Michael Jackson`s private doctor.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A source with knowledge of the investigation into Michael Jackson`s death tells CNN that Dr. Conrad Murray gave Jackson the powerful drug propofol within 24 hours of his death.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Propofol is a very serious, very potent sedative that can make you stop breathing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s not breathing, sir.

911 OPERATOR: OK. And he`s not conscious, either.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, he`s not conscious, sir.

911 OPERATOR: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Murray is not a suspect in the case, but legal experts say that may change if propofol is found in Jackson`s system.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We hear stories about Michael taking other medicines. The combination may have been the thing that really did him in.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Murray`s lawyer released a statement in response to our report saying in part, quote, "Everyone needs to take a breath and wait for these long-delayed toxicology results. I have no doubt they want to make a case. For goodness sakes, it`s Michael Jackson."

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CASAREZ: Last week, search warrants executed in Houston, Texas. Today, Las Vegas, Nevada. Let`s go straight out to Ted Rowlands standing by live outside the clinic of Dr. Conrad Murray. What is happening, Ted?

TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Jean, just within the last five minutes, an investigator from the Los Angeles Police Department came out and said that, We`re finished here at Dr. Murray`s clinic and we do not plan to come back tomorrow. There`s still some security here as they just wrap up their search.

They were here for almost eight hours at the clinic. The other warrant that was served you mentioned was over at Murray`s house. Now, Dr. Murray was at that house when they showed up. In fact, he walked out and invited the investigators in. And according to Murray`s lawyers -- again, it`s the same basic statement. They say they`re completely cooperating with everything. In fact, they say today they cooperated at the house, where Murray was helping them find items that they were searching for.

That search warrant at the house only lasted about three hours, and all they took was one computer hard drive, according to Murray`s attorneys, and some cell phones. This search here took, as I said earlier, almost eight hours. Obviously, they were meticulously looking through the medical records here at the clinic and looking for things of interest before they left.

CASAREZ: Well, Ted, you`re standing at the clinic. This was a long time for eight hours. What did you see with your own eyes? Because the search warrant records are sealed right now. But what have you seen out there?

ROWLANDS: Yes. Well, I was at both locations. I was at the house for that whole entire -- the three hours there, and then I`ve been here for the last four hours.

And basically, same thing. You see a group of about a dozen or so agents, a mixture of DEA people, along with the LAPD and some support staff with the Metro police here in Las Vegas. But clearly, this -- and the DEA is famous for this. They know what they`re looking for. So there wasn`t a lot of in and out, in and out, big barrels of things.

It was a document search, and they came out with small items that they were able to carry and just put into the car as they left. They didn`t have to load and unload, which typically, sometimes, you`ll go to some homes that are being searched, and it`s a constant back and forth. Much different here. They were in there for almost the entire time, didn`t see them at all. Then they came out at the end with just a few documents, a few key things that they were able to, obviously, find.

CASAREZ: Very interesting, Ted. Do we know if Dr. Conrad Murray was expecting this to happen this morning, or was he taken by surprise?

ROWLANDS: Well, we don`t know. His attorneys didn`t tell us. But he was out there and he met with the agents. And quite frankly, this one was not kept as much of a secret as the Houston one, in that some news media outlets -- we had received some information, too, that it might be happening. And so outside Murray`s house, there was a helicopter starting at 7:30 this morning. So if he didn`t know, he knew something was going on. And like I say, he was there when they arrived and he walked out of his house and invited them in.

CASAREZ: All right, let`s go straight out to the callers. Sue in New York. Good evening, Sue.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi. These bottles of Diprivan and propofol, don`t they have a lot number on them, where the DEA officers could trace where that specific lot of Diprivan went to and then connect the doctor who was affiliated with that?

CASAREZ: It`s a very good question. Let`s go out to an anesthesiologist. Joining us tonight Dr. Panchali Dhar, board-certified anesthesiologist, author of "Before the Scalpel: What Everyone Needs to Know About Anesthesiology." What about it, Doctor? Is there a lot number on these bottles?

DR. PANCHALI DHAR, ANESTHESIOLOGIST: Yes, each and every bottle has a lot and a serial number. But it is difficult to actually trace which wholesalers have the particular lot number and which bottles are distributed to which hospital and doctor`s offices. So that`s going to be hard to trace.

CASAREZ: What about if you get it from overseas? Is there still that lot number?

DHAR: Yes. There should be a lot number, whether it`s the brand name Diprivan or propofol, which is the generic name. But again, overseas is going to be even harder. It`s hard enough to trace it here in the United States. Can you imagine if the bottles came from another country?

CASAREZ: Sure. Dr. Dhar, you are a board-certified anesthesiologist, and I remember when you came and you showed us exactly how to administer this. I know that you`ve brought some things with us -- with you today. First of all, I want to ask you, generally, where do you place the needle when you are about to administer a drug such as Diprivan?

DHAR: Anywhere you can find a vein is where Diprivan can be administered.

CASAREZ: Even in the neck?

DHAR: Absolutely in the neck. If the veins are scarred (ph) down in the arms, in the legs, doctors reach for the neck.

CASAREZ: And what do you look at? Once you start administering it, what do you monitor? What are you looking for?

DHAR: OK, before you start administering, you have to attach a patient to heart monitors and oxygen monitors. Then you administer the Diprivan. And you have to keep watching the heart rate, the blood pressure, the oxygen level constantly. You cannot step out of a room, giving a patient Diprivan. The end result will be the patient will stop breathing and the patient will be dead.

So let me just go through how Diprivan is supplied. These are the kinds of bottles, if we can hone in on this, that Diprivan comes in. It`s always drawn up in a syringe, and then you can inject it into an IV bag, like a saline bag, such as this. Or you can spike one of the bottles with an IV tubing.

Now, the sophisticated way of giving Diprivan is through a pump, which regulates the rate and the dose second by second, based on the surgery. Or you can hand control it.

Now, I would imagine in Michael Jackson`s home, there was probably not a pump available, so there was hand control. The danger with the hand control is if you open this up wide and it pours in, patients stop breathing. And you have to have a trained person there who is stepping in, controlling breathing, controlling the rate heart and blood pressure and is trained exactly in waking up the patient, such as an anesthesiologist.

CASAREZ: All right. Back to Ted Rowlands, CNN correspondent. Huge search today in Las Vegas, Nevada, search -- Ted, you said it last night on the air, that more searches were going to be executed this week. You were exactly right. Do we know when a judge signed off on this search warrant? And do we know if and when it will become unsealed?

ROWLANDS: We don`t know when the judge signed off on it, but if you look at what happened in Houston, it was unsealed very quickly. I think it was a day after they were finished with it. They returned the warrant and it was unsealed. And that`ll be up to the LAPD detectives whether they want to unseal this one.

But we`re trying to actually find, you know, which judge approved the search warrant. We haven`t been able to as of yet here in Las Vegas, but we expect that it`ll be the same scenario. So we`ll get some more answers probably in the next day or two, some particulars, not only what they were asking to find but then what they actually found when they returned the warrant.

CASAREZ: Exactly. Let`s go out to the lawyers, Susan Moss out of New York, Ray Giudice, defense attorney out of Atlanta, Mickey Sherman, criminal defense attorney, author of "How Can You Defend These People?" Susan Moss, first of all, to you. You did not -- Conrad Murray did not have to consent to this search today.

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: Oh, absolutely. But the search would have gone on because there was a search warrant. And apparently, what happens in Vegas doesn`t stay in Vegas. And that makes perfect sense because it`s time for the authorities to find out what were the medical records that he had not only for Michael Jackson but for any aliases that he was using. Remember, it`s rumored that he`s been using a lot of the different names, and that can be the key to finding the documents to prove what happened to the king of pop.

CASAREZ: And you are watching video from TMZ.com of Dr. Conrad Murray outside of his Las Vegas home just one day before the police raids.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking news from Las Vegas. Authorities are searching both the home and office of Michael Jackson`s personal doctor. Dr. Conrad Murray was with the singer when he died last month in Los Angeles. There are reports Murray administered a drug that may have killed Jackson. A source with knowledge of the investigation tells CNN Murray gave Jackson the anesthetic propofol within 24 hours of his death.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What you`re talking about here is a possible murder two charge because you`re talking about depraved indifference to human life. You knowingly did something that caused a greater risk of harm to your patient.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If, in fact, this drug propofol killed Michael Jackson, and if Dr. Murray administered it, that still doesn`t mean that he will be charged with any crime, much less convicted, because we have to know under what circumstances, for what reason he gave the drug. It is not an illegal drug.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Murray`s attorneys said they`re not commenting on, quote, "rumors, innuendo or unnamed sources." They`ve said the doctor never gave Jackson anything that should have killed him. The L.A. coroner`s office says a final autopsy report on the death is expected as early as this week.

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CASAREZ: I`m Jean Casarez of the legal network In Session, in for Nancy Grace tonight. We do have breaking news out of Las Vegas, Nevada, today. Two search warrants executed for the home and office of Dr. Conrad Murray, personal physician of Michael Jackson. We can confirm to you the DEA, Los Angeles Police Department, Las Vegas Metro police all there.

Let`s go straight out to Ted Rowlands, who is standing by live outside the clinic. Ted, what have you seen behind you in the last few minutes since we last spoke?

ROWLANDS: We`re just seeing the last stragglers, if you will, a couple agents over here getting peppered by members of the media just trying to get tidbits out of them. They`re not saying anything, but -- and then the last (INAUDIBLE) you can see this police car was really the last one standing here. So they`ve clearly wrapped this up.

But it took eight hours of searching here, and the reason, because this is a medical office, you`re talking about medical records, and the DEA had to go in there and not look at any other records, or not take any other records. They had to parse it out and look for the specific items that were spelled out in the warrant which they were authorized to search for.

And you mentioned -- someone mentioned earlier, one of the key things in this search warrant, according to Ed Chernoff, who is the attorney for Dr. Conrad Murray, is that they were looking for Michael Jackson material or Michael Jackson alias material, meaning that they had probable cause -- at some point in their investigation, they`ve come across these aliases. And if Mr. Murray was also using these aliases in his records, that could be a significant part of this investigation.

CASAREZ: And you`re so right. Ed Chernoff, the attorney for Dr. Conrad Murray, made a statement today, as you said, Ted, search warrant authorized investigators to look for medical records relating to Michael Jackson and all of his reported aliases.

Out to the attorneys. Ray Giudice, defense attorney -- Ray, why would the defense attorney for Dr. Conrad Murray come out and talk about what they were authorized to search for when the search warrant is sealed now?

RAYMOND GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I think he`s doing some very smart, up-front damage control because at the end of the day, that lawyer knows ones thing, the theory of causation has got to be proven by the prosecution. Michael Jackson could have had enough Diprivan in his body to put a horse to sleep, but if that is not the legal cause of his death, there is no homicide or no criminal charge of that nature against this doctor or anybody else.

CASAREZ: But to Mickey Sherman -- if we`re looking at the crime of manslaughter, which the search warrant in Houston said they were gathering evidence for, we`re talking a physician being in a home, a physician having control of Diprivan, a physician allegedly administering Diprivan, having it be through toxicological tests the cause of death, what are they really looking for today?

MICKEY SHERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I think they`re looking for records to see if anything was phonied up, you know, phony names, et cetera. But it`s a long way -- it`s a light year between being a bad doctor, being an abusive doctor, and someone who`s a murderer, someone who`s committing manslaughter because they have some depraved indifference to human life.. This is not a slam dunk, as people seem to think, that, Well, if he gave him the drug, then he`s obviously -- he`s going to be convicted of manslaughter. There`s a long, long way between those two events.

CASAREZ: Susan Moss, your thoughts? Involuntary manslaughter, voluntary manslaughter, California law?

MOSS: Well, think of it this way. If this doctor gave this very dangerous drug, Diprivan, to Michael Jackson, and if that drug killed him, well, that might be your intent for even murder one.

CASAREZ: All right. Linda in Texas. You were what we were talking about last week. How are you? Good evening.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi. Thank you for taking my call. I have a question about the day that Michael died. I was wondering why -- when he died, why the home wasn`t yellow-taped or investigators, detectives came out, because when my neighbor died next door, before they even released the body, they had four detectives over there and that home was taped off with yellow tape.

CASAREZ: Let`s go out to Melanie Bromley, West Coast bureau chief of "US Weekly." Why -- was the home yellow-taped, first of all? Can you confirm that it was not?

MELANIE BROMLEY, "US WEEKLY": Yes. I mean, initially, when it first happened, it was -- you know, the ambulance had got to the house and took him off to the hospital. And it wasn`t until he got there that, really, that we knew that there was anything was wrong. And I think it took a while for people -- for the authorities to really go in and start looking at what exactly had happened there.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A source close to Michael Jackson`s family with knowledge of the investigation tells CNN that Jackson`s personal physician administered the powerful drug that investigators believe killed him. The drug is known by the brand name Diprivan. It`s also known as propofol. And we`re told Jackson`s doctor gave it to him within 24 hours of his death. This is incredibly significant because Dr. Conrad Murray`s lawyer has never commented on that drug, known by the brand name Diprivan. All the lawyer has told us in the past was, quote, "Dr. Conrad Murray did not prescribe or administer anything that should have killed Michael Jackson."

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CASAREZ: I`m Jean Casarez of the legal network In Session, in for Nancy Grace tonight. Well, while search warrants were being executed in Las Vegas today, searches lasting up to eight hours in Las Vegas, friends of Michael Jackson are still mourning the loss. It was a little more than a month ago that he passed away.

We want to go out to a very special guest right now, Dick Gregory out of Washington, D.C., a personal friend of Michael Jackson. I know you have so many memories of him. But I understand in 2005, you were with him and actually took him to a hospital at one point, correct?

DICK GREGORY, FRIEND OF MICHAEL JACKSON: Yes. That`s right. That was the last week of the trial. And when -- I got a call from Joe and a message from his mother that I needed to come out and just take a look at him because they were worried about his demeanor.

When I get there I go to the trial. From there, we go back to Neverland, and he asked me to come upstairs and he grabbed me and started crying and said, Please, don`t leave me. They`re trying to kill me. And I said, When is the last time you ate? He said, No, they`ll poison kill me. I said, Well, when was the last time you drank water?

And so one thing led to another. So I have a friend of mind that has this huge machine (ph) in L.A. (INAUDIBLE) I said, If you can bring this machine down, Michael`s agreed to get on it. And they clamp you and they squeeze you, and it`ll print out everything in your body. And the only thing that it printed out was he was extremely dehydrated. Nothing wrong with his heart, nothing wrong with his lungs.

And so the next day, after we left court, I said, I need to take you to a hospital. He said, No, no, they`ll kill me. And I said, Well, let`s do this. Let`s let nobody know where we`re going. Let me drive you up to San Francisco to a hospital that didn`t know we`re coming. He agreed to that. And then I said, Look, 20 miles away from here, let`s go to one of these hospitals.

And we went to a hospital, and they examined him, and at 5:30 or a little bit before 6:00, they start intravenously putting liquid in him. At 6:00 o`clock the next morning, they were still putting water in him. And the doctor said to me, had he waited 12 more hours, he would have been dead.

Now, when he go to trial that next day, everybody was talking about how well he looked and -- and I just thought he was paranoid from the standpoint...

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dr. Conrad Murray was one of the last people to see Michael Jackson alive.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A source with knowledge of the investigation tells CNN Murray gave Jackson the anesthetic propofol within 24 hours of his death.

JOHN ROBERTS, CNN ANCHOR: Propofol is a sedative, one that is very tricky to use, can be extraordinarily dangerous, leading in respiratory depression, possibly respiratory arrest and death.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is an extremely dangerous drug. It`s normally administered only in a hospital setting with ventilation equipment available in case something goes wrong with the patient.

KIRAN CHETRY, CNN ANCHOR: How can this drug kill you?

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: It shuts down really the whole brain. It really puts you sort of into a medically this coma that`s possible causing either the heart unable to regulate itself or causing an arrest of the heart.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Michael Jackson asked for this, begged for this. Wanted this. Said, I`m going to be fine.

CHERILYN LEE, FMR. NURSE TO MICHAEL JACKSON, SAYS HE PLEADED FOR DANGEROUS DRUG: It was April of 2009 that he asked me for the drug and he went in detail to say it was one drop hitting my vein with the IV, he said I go to sleep right away.

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JEAN CASAREZ, GUEST HOST: I`m Jean Casarez of the legal network "In Session" in for Nancy Grace tonight. Very, very big developments today in the death investigation of Michael Jackson.

Four search warrants have now been executed in regard to Dr. Conrad Murray, the personal physician of Michael Jackson. This time today in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Let`s go straight out to Kelli Zink, host of CelebTV.com. The searches today at the office and at the home of the doctor, they were basically simultaneous, right?

KELLI ZINK, HOST, CELEBTV.COM; COVERING STORY: Correct. They were. They were right after another and the search at the office was obviously much longer because like we`ve heard before there were medical records that they had to search through.

The one at the house lasted about three hours, but they were back-to-back.

CASAREZ: Well, let`s go out to Ted Rowlands, CNN correspondent, live in Las Vegas right now. Ted, you said that originally you were at, I think, the home of Dr. Murray. You then moved to the clinic.

Did both searches start about the same time?

TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, they started within 15 minutes of each other. The home started, I think, 9:15 and this one was up and running by 9:25. And as we said, the home was -- seemed pretty clear. They were looking for computer hard drive, they made a copy of it, it appeared, and then they took his cell phones and left.

This was much more meticulous because of the medical records and the DEA, of course, very well trained in this. They know what to look for. So they went is, but it`s time consuming anyway even though if you know what you`re looking. You have to go through certain fire walls and then also go through other patient records and just find what you`re looking for and pull it out.

CASAREZ: But obviously, a lot of law enforcement involved today.

Let`s go out to Ron Shindel, former NYPD deputy inspector. Ron, I want to ask you when searches are executed simultaneously, at the same time in the same city, why does law enforcement do it that way?

RON SHINDEL, FMR. NYPD DEPUTY INSPECTOR: Well, what they want to do is to make sure that the evidence that they collect they can collect in a timely manner and that there`s no tampering with the evidence.

Once you go to one place and acted on the search warrant, it`s logical that anybody out there who would want to tamper with evidence, if there`s a possibility, would then try to go to the other place. So you do it simultaneously to prevent that.

CASAREZ: And Ted reported today that you didn`t see bags of evidence coming out of the office and the clinic and the home. What are they actually going through and what are they actually looking for?

SHINDEL: Well, in today`s world, what they want to do is they want to get personal computers and they want to get laptops. They want to find things like e-mail files, they want to find things like financial records, wire transfers. Everything that could show business being conducted between two people.

CASAREZ: All right. Let`s go out to a caller. Melody in Ohio. Good evening, Melody.

MELODY, CALLER FROM OHIO: Hi. Thank you for taking my call.

CASAREZ: Yes.

MELODY: My question being, with the children being in the home and all this chaotic activity going on, what were the suspicions of the children with their father?

CASAREZ: Well, that`s a very good question. To Melanie (INAUDIBLE), West Coast bureau chief, "Us Weekly," do we know anything about the children observing anything in the days before Michael died?

It`s a pretty good question. Something actually that not many people have touched on. If Michael was taking as many drugs as we suspect and sources are telling us, and those children could actually be quite badly affected by their father`s behavior.

We know that Michael -- that Prince Michael was there and witnessed some of this, and you know, I`m sure that it would have been odd to them if they`re father was being put to sleep by Diprivan, that they couldn`t -- you know that their father was completely unresponsive during the nighttime. But as far as how that`s affected them, that`s something that we`re still trying to find out.

CASAREZ: To psychologist Lillian Glass, we do not know what the children saw if the children saw anything. But being in a home situation where things like that are occurring, even numerous prescriptions, can it affect the children psychologically?

LILLIAN GLASS, PSYCHOLOGIST, AUTHOR OF "I KNOW WHAT YOU`RE THINKING": Absolutely. They could be traumatized by this whole event. Not only the fact that Michael died, but just traumatized from having witnessed this if indeed they did.

CASAREZ: All right. If they indeed they did.

Let`s go out to another caller. I want to go to Belinda in Nevada. Your state today is on the radar. What part of the state do you live in, Belinda?

BELINDA, CALLER FROM NEVADA: I live in Reno, Nevada.

CASAREZ: OK. So you`re in northern Nevada. Good evening. What`s your question?

BELINDA: My question is, I know early on, shortly after Mr. Jackson passed, there were two stories floating about what happened that morning. One included him up and around and packing for his tour and collapsing in front of his son with his doctor and the bodyguard carrying him to his bedroom.

The other is the story that we`re hearing now which is that Dr. Murray found him already unconscious in his bedroom.

Have authorities reconciled which one of those stories they think are accurate?

CASAREZ: Well, let`s go out to Ted Rowlands, CNN correspondent in Las Vegas. You know, Ted, what come to my mind when I hear that question is the 911 call. You can`t refute that.

ROWLANDS: Yes, and it appears as though it was just Dr. Murray, Michael Jackson, and then the security guard in the immediate area, at least during the time where they were trying to revive or keep Michael Jackson alive.

So that would leave more credence to the second story, the sort of the running story here that was provided by Dr. Murray through his interview with LAPD, and then related to us through Ed Chernoff, his lawyer, basically saying that he saw -- he went to check on Michael Jackson in his bedroom, in his bed, and that`s when he saw him not breathing.

There was no mention of anyone else in the vicinity at all.

CASAREZ: Which brings to my mind, Dr. Panchali Dhar, M.D., board certified anesthesiologist and author "Before the Scalpel: What Everyone Needs to Know About Anesthesia." Who can administer anesthesia? Can a physicians` assistant, which I know is given a lot of control and discretion especially in California? Can they undergo anesthesia on a patient?

DR. PANCHALI DHAR, M.D., BOARD CERTIFIED ANESTHESIOLOGIST, AUTHOR OF "BEFORE THE SCALPEL": No, absolutely not. The only person that can administer anesthesia is a trained anesthesia provider. A physician specifically trained in anesthesia three years after medical school or a nurse anesthetist in a controlled setting such as a doctor`s office or a hospital.

There is no possibility that a cardiologist or a general internist is trained in providing propofol to any patient. It should never happen. They just don`t know the dosage. They don`t know how much to give and they don`t know how to wake the patients up. This is only done by an anesthesiologist. Period.

CASAREZ: Well, how do you wake a patient up when they`re undergoing this anesthesia?

DHAR: Well, basically, you have to know how the Diprivan wears off, when to turn it off in relation to the surgery, and you have to keep supporting their breathing. People do stop breathing when Diprivan is given, but the anesthesiologist knows how to step in immediately and take over the breathing, take over the heart rate, the blood pressure, and control it during the surgery.

That`s what they`re trained to do.

CASAREZ: Do you need other units like an EKG unit or other medical equipment there in the room when you`re undergoing this?

DHAR: Yes, absolutely. Under all circumstances, patients have to be hooked up to EKG, heart rate monitors, blood pressure monitors, oxygen monitors at all times. You can get changes in your heart rate, drops in your oxygen levels. With Diprivan, small doses certainly can even do it and large doses absolutely will stop breathing.

CASAREZ: This is a question I wanted to ask you. Let`s say, hypothetically, a patient is taking Diprivan in a situation that you`ve never seen, in a home. A physician administering it. They die. But then it is found that the last month, the last few months, the last year, other physicians have been prescribing Diprivan.

Can multiple doctors be responsible for the cause of death or just the one closest to the death?

DHAR: OK. One thing is for sure. Anesthesiologists do not make house calls. That is a fact. No anesthesiologist should be going to anybody`s house administering an anesthetic. There`s no reason to be getting anesthesia if you`re not having surgery or a medical procedure. It is not a cure for insomnia.

And second of all, if he were taking Diprivan over a course of time, there is care reports and medical studies that show that it can be found in the hair.

CASAREZ: Found in the hair.

DHAR: Right.

CASAREZ: That would be very interesting when the toxicology results come out.

Before we go to break, we would like to wish Irene Tidwell in Macon, Georgia happy birthday. Here she is with her only grandson Daniel, a senior at Mercer University. The proud mother of two daughters, she loves to garden and she never misses a show.

On behalf of Nancy, happy birthday, Irene.

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: I want to thank you so much for all of your calls and your e-mails about my book, "Eleventh Victim." It comes out on August 11. You were the very first to see it right now. Of course after Lucy, pictured here, who grabbed it first.

It`s about a prosecutor who tries her best to give up criminal law and start a new life. But when her friends are murdered, one by one, the NYPD hones in on her.

It took me years to write this book. I started when I first left felony prosecution. And I missed it so much. Since then I wrote another book and published it. Launched this show with my producer, Dean. Got married. Got pregnant. Gave birth. Nearly died. Didn`t. And finished the book.

I hope you like it. Part of my proceeds go to a charity, Wesley Glenn, who takes care of the mentally handicapped that need a loving home. You can find this book on our Web site.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Dr. Conrad Murray was one of the last people to see Michael Jackson alive. But how did he get to the singer`s side in the first place?

The two met in Las Vegas in 2006, when Dr. Murray treated one of Jackson`s children on the recommendation of a Jackson bodyguard. Murray became Jackson`s personal physician in May and explained his lead to current patients as a, quote, "once in a lifetime opportunity." An opportunity with a salary of $150,000 a month, plus travel, hotel and per diem expenses.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Dr. Murray was not a doctor first. He was a friend first. They were close personal friends.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Conrad Murray is 56. He operates clinics in both Nevada and Texas. Until signing on with Jackson, most of his time was spent in Las Vegas.

Since his famous client`s death, Murray has not spoken publicly, except through his lawyer. Though everyone is waiting to hear what the man who found Michael Jackson unconscious has to say.

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CASAREZ: I`m Jean Casarez of the legal network "In Session" in for Nancy Grace.

While search warrants were being executed in Las Vegas today of the personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, of Michael Jackson, a nurse in California was watching it all. She actually said no to Michael Jackson several months ago when he allegedly asked her for Diprivan.

We want to welcome so much, Cherilyn Lee, for joining us once again by telephone tonight. You were the former nurse to Michael Jackson. You voluntarily gave up your case file on Michael Jackson, I believe, last week. Coroners, investigators came. You have an interesting story to tell us, though, about some chit-chat, might we say, from one of those coroner`s investigators?

LEE (via phone): Yes, I do.

CASAREZ: What did they say?

LEE: Well, when I arrived to meet with the person from the coroner`s office, he -- I just didn`t really feel that comfortable and we were talking and he said, you know, Michael Jackson is, you know, he`s an addict. And I said, you know, I don`t think so.

And basically, to myself I`m thinking, you`re really only here for charges, not voice your opinion. But he said, well, there are things you don`t know. When this case is over, I`ll come back and I`ll share it with you.

CASAREZ: Well, that.

LEE: But.

CASAREZ: Go ahead.

LEE: Yes. So I was really -- I was taken back for a person in his position to make comments that way.

CASAREZ: And to Ray Giudice, defense attorney -- thank you, Cherilyn. It`s comments like that can end up in a trial and the witness is called by the defense, not the prosecution.

RAY GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, that`s right. Just opens up the door for the defense to look about bias, there`s somebody writing a book on the side, I mean, I just didn`t understand why everybody wants to voice an opinion about Mr. Jackson`s death until that toxicology report comes back.

I think it`s irresponsible. I think cooler heads need to prevail and step back from accusations.

CASAREZ: And then, you are looking at right now video from TMZ.com of Dr. Conrad Murray outside his Las Vegas home. That`s just one day before the police raid of today.

To Mickey Sherman, criminal defense attorney. You know, one reason I`m asking these experts so many questions tonight, and I`m asking objectively, not subjectively. I`m looking for recklessness, I`m looking for -- not a criminal intent to commit a crime, but an intent to do an act. A conscious disregard of a risk. That`s all involved in manslaughter, right?

MICKEY SHERMAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY, AUTHOR OF "HOW CAN YOU DEFEND THOSE PEOPLE?": Yes, but you know, the guy still is a doctor. And we kind of want to think that doctors are trying to do the best thing for their patients. So it`s going to take a lot more than just the presence of those drugs and a lot of second guessing. And that`s what we`re getting. A lot of the second guessing by a lot of people. And soon maybe by other experts and soon maybe by a jury.

But bottom line is this man was hired to -- not to kill Jackson, but to keep him alive. Let`s remember that. It was the company that was putting on the concerts and the tour that kept this guy alive.

CASAREZ: That`s a good point. And he was going to have the time of his life going to London with Michael Jackson as his personal physician.

We want you all tonight -- we`re going to take you to Idaho and we want you to help us find a little boy that has gone missing. Let`s listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hundreds of people are frantically searching for an 8- year-old boy in Boise, Idaho. Where is little Robert Manuel?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you have seen Robert, if you have any contact with Robert, we need to know, we need to be able to place that timeline together and bring Robert home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is the most important investigation we have had in a long time.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re here to convey a message of hope. We`re very hopeful that we can bring Robert home.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What we were told is he`s just a really little guy that enjoys kind of hiding.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve had incredible number of volunteers.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Paulie Gorly (ph) is one of hundreds of local volunteers joining forces with Boise Police today to find 8-year-old Robert Manuel. Together, they have one mission.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Help us find Robert. Help us bring Robert home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a lot of resources here and from the chief`s office on down, this is the highest priority.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If you`ve seen him, call the police and help us to bring him home.

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CASAREZ: Let us go straight out to Boise, Idaho. Live with us Natalie Hurst, a reporter for CNN affiliate, KBCI. Give us the basic facts and where are we now.

NATALIE HURST, REPORTER, CNN AFFILIATE KBCI: All right. Well, here`s where we are right now. Still, no sign of Robert anywhere. People are still looking, not giving up hope. It is another glorious night here in the Treasure Valley where the temperatures remain above 90 degrees, so the overnight lows are really not that bad. Hovering around 65 to 67 degrees so you remain hopeful that perhaps he`s wandered off and that he is OK somewhere.

But again, still, no sign. He`s been missing since Friday. Wandered off around 10:00, 11:00 p.m. is the official word from Boise Police. Hasn`t been seen since then.

CASAREZ: Where was he at 10:00 or 11:00 p.m.?

HURST: Well, here`s the deal. Boise Police say that like a typical 8- year-old, he was very inquisitive, always loves to explore. He told his mom, hey, I want to go to a birthday party, it`s Friday night. And mom said, well, no. You can`t. You got to stick around. Somewhere between when mom said no, little Robert Manwill took off. Now whether he went out the door and then, well, managed to just go miles from here or just a half mile, that`s what`s under question right now.

CASAREZ: Very quickly to.

HURST: Where did he go?

CASAREZ: I`m sorry. Go ahead.

HURST: I just was going to say that, you know, where he did go from there? That`s the big question. Little boy, 8-year-old, wants to go a birthday party. And from there, in one knows.

CASAREZ: To Greg Hahn, reporter, "Iowa Statesman," they have looked into registered sex offenders in the area? Very quickly.

GREG HAHN, EDITOR, IDAHO STATESMAN; COVERING STORY (via phone): Yes. They have interviewed about 100 they said this morning. And there -- we had seen about 75 who lived really, you know -- within about a mile of the area. It`s a fairly urban, dense area. It`s not surprising that there were a lot of sex offenders.

CASAREZ: All right. Everyone in the Idaho area, Robert Manwill. Find this beautiful little 8-year-old boy.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This investigation continues to go in many different directions. And because of the very nature of police investigations right now we`re not prepared to discuss the leads the investigators are taking. But we remain hopeful at this time that we`re going to find Robert.

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CASAREZ: Jean Casarez of the legal network "In Session" in for Nancy Grace tonight.

To Natalie Hurst, reporter of CNN affiliate, KBCI, can you describe for us what little Robert was wearing, the last time he was seen?

HURST: Sure, you know, we just got a new description of him. He was last wearing a faded blue t-shirt and just like a typical 8-year-old, get this, he was wearing a Spider-man design blue jeans and dark tennis shoes.

CASAREZ: OK. All right. That`s a very good description. We want to show everybody, we`ve got a map of registered sex offenders in the area.

To Marc Klass, president and founder of KlaasKids Foundation, an Amber Alert could not happen in this case because the requirements were not met. Your thoughts on that?

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION (via phone): Well, my thoughts were very simple, Jean. The Amber Alert requirements should be guidelines. They shouldn`t be chiseled in stone.

We`re seeing time after time, cases where Amber Alerts should be activated but because one of the criteria seems not to have been met, they`re not activated. I think what we need to do with Amber Alerts in that country is put that process in the hands of the local authorities, the authorities that we are willing to give guns to protect us but not willing to let -- activate Amber Alerts to bring little children home.

If we were to do that, I think we would not create "cry wolf" scenarios but instead we would probably recover many more children much more quickly than is being done now.

CASAREZ: All right. Marc Klaas, good words.

Tonight, let us stop to remember 46-year-old army Command Sergeant Major Marilyn Gabbard from Polk City, Iowa. On a first tour in Iraq, she served 27 years in the National Guard and she led their affairs team in Baghdad.

She was a role model and she became the first woman promoted to command sergeant major in the Iowa National Guard. She had a smile that brightened the room. She loved helping others and she took pride in training fellow soldiers.

She leaves behind her mother, Mary, two brothers, one sister, a widower, Edward. Seven children. Two grandchildren.

Mary Gabbard, an American hero.

Thank you so much to all of our guests, to you at home for being with us. We`ll see you tomorrow night. Until then, good night, everybody.

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