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Should U.S. Declare Victory in Iraq?; Interview With Jackson Chef
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JOHN ROBERTS CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Tonight, here are the questions we want answered.
Is it time to declare victory in Iraq and bring the troops home right now? Find out why one senior military adviser says yes.
Plus, what happened in Michael Jackson's house the day he died? This woman, his chef, was there.
KAI CHASE, JACKSON CHEF: Within minutes, the paramedics are there and the security is running upstairs, skipping stairs, and all of a sudden we are all panicked. What is going on? What is happening?
ROBERTS: But why was her name found among the prescriptions that may have contributed to the king of pop's death? I will ask her live.
And two police chiefs charged with a crime, allegedly breaking into a home. Whose home? The surrogate of Hollywood stars Matthew Broderick and Sarah Jessica Parker.
SARAH JESSICA PARKER, ACTRESS: I am incredibly outraged by the sort of extraordinary and unprecedented invasion of her privacy. I didn't think -- I thought pretty much all the lines had been crossed.
ROBERTS: Has the stalking of celebrities gone too far?
Plus, the story behind this picture -- why one businesswoman is challenging President Obama to keep his word on health care. Wag the finger.
And a rock 'n' roll dream come true. The fan called up on stage to play guitar with her favorite band, now she is an Internet star.
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ANNOUNCER: This is your only source for news. CNN prime time begins now.
In for Campbell Brown, John Roberts.
ROBERTS: Hi, everybody. Thanks for joining us. Campbell is off tonight. And those are our big questions. But we start, as always, the "Mash-Up," our look at all of the stories making an impact right now and the moments that you might have missed. We are watching it all, so you don't have to.
Proof today that nothing revs up American consumers like the promise of money for nothing.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: With a nickname so catchy it is not hard to see why cash for clunkers captured so much attention.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Cash for clunkers has burned through $1 billion in less than a week.
KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: Too many clunkers, not enough cash. Huge demand for a government program designed to boost car sales and clear the nation's air.
Many dealers like this did more than 250 cash for clunkers deals, 20 times what the government was expecting.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is a line this long trying to get in the door.
PHILLIPS: Cash incentives for purchases of new fuel-efficient cars were excepted to last through November, but as of yesterday it wasn't clear the funding would last through the weekend.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In a major push to save the program, the House has just approved an $2 billion more to fund it.
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ROBERTS: The program's runaway success giving lawmakers a victory to sell to the folks back home. Today, they were pitching like old pros.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A bill that I sponsored sometimes referred to as cash for clunkers.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They can't keep cars on the lots.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If I don't have the best deal in town on new '86 Ford cars and trucks, I will eat a bug.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One of my dealers described it this week, he had chaos in his showroom.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Forget the sticker.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Give it a fill-up and let's get cash for clunkers back on the road.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's simple arithmetic, folks.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cars is providing a jolt, a meaningful upward jolt.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a win-win-win for our country.
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ROBERTS: Well, they wouldn't want to have that poor guy having to eat a bug. So, today's House vote overwhelming, lawmakers renewing cash for clunkers by a nearly 3-1 margin, dissenters blasting the deal as yet another budget-busting big-government bailout.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We decided to give out free money and now we're surprised when people take advantage of it and love the program. I mean, that's the nature of human nature.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Everyone loves -- quote -- "free money" -- end quote. The bailed-out bank loved their $700 billion last fall. The bailed out automakers loved their $86 billion.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Recently, one of the largest poultry producers in America, Pilgrim's Pride, they had to declare Chapter 11. Maybe we should have a cash for cluckers program and pay people to eat chicken.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you are not completely satisfied, write me, and I will give you your money back. Who do you write in Washington? What do they know about chickens?
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ROBERTS: Well, they might not know much about cluckers, but, when it comes to clunkers, they do seem to have scored a hit, and a very big one at that.
From Washington to Wall Street, and, for the first time in a long time, some pretty good news.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: On Wall Street, growing optimism amidst stronger-than-expected corporate profits. The Dow, up 17 points today, saw its best July since 1989.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The economy contracted for the fourth straight quarter this spring, but the pace of decline slowed sharply. And at last it looks like the worst is over.
ALI VELSHI, CNN CHIEF BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: This is going to be the best July in decades for the stock market. So, that's real. It doesn't mean it can't go down again, but there really have been substantial gains. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Today's report underscores what the roaring stock market has been signaling all month; the worst recession since the Great Depression may soon be over.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's like early in the year we jumped out a plane. We were in a freefall. Now we have the parachute open and we're gliding down.
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ROBERTS: And of course all of this is welcome news for the White House. The president today out front and on message like he has been all week.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We may be seeing the beginning of the end of the recession.
The beginning of the end of the recession.
We have stepped away from the precipice.
We have stopped the freefall.
The economy is heading in the right direction.
ROBERT GIBBS, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: Moving in a positive direction.
OBAMA: The steps that we have taken over the last six months have helped us put the brakes on the recession.
The steps we took...
The steps that we have taken...
GIBBS: We have taken a first step.
OBAMA: Have helped stop...
Helped to stop...
Our economic freefall.
This economic freefall.
GIBBS: The president and the administration took steps to get our economy stabilized, rescued and ultimately turned around.
OBAMA: I will not rest until every American who wants a job can find one.
I'm not going to rest...
We're not going to rest... We're not going to rest...
This administration will not rest...
Until anyone who is looking for work...
Until everybody who wants to find a job...
Can find a job.
Can find a job.
GIBBS: The president is not going to stop working until more Americans are back at work.
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ROBERTS: In other words, stick with me people, because the best is yet to come.
Over to Iraq now, and tonight a key American ally is pulling out, as the Pentagon considers whether it is time for us to leave, too.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A high level Pentagon adviser says the U.S. military should declare victory now and go home from Iraq.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In a memo, Colonel Timothy Reese says extending the U.S. troop presence beyond next summer would do little to improve security.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The British are leaving Iraq. Today is the day that Great Britain formally withdraws all of its forces from Iraq.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Car bombs in Baghdad today have claimed at least 28 lives.
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ROBERTS: Those attacks apparently targeting worshipers gathered at mosques for Friday prayers in Iraq.
Next door in Iran, three American hikers under arrest apparently after wandering across the border.
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ARWA DAMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Four Americans traveled from Syria to Turkey. From Turkey, they then crossed into the northern Kurdish-run part of Iraq. The three -- the four stayed in Irbil and traveled to Sulaimaniyah. One of them stayed behind.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: These people are described as tourists who were on an outing. The officials say the three contacted a college Friday and said they had mistakenly entered Iranian territory and troops -- quote -- "surrounded them."
DAMON: The three Americans are believed by Kurdish officials to be in Iranian custody, possibly even held in Iran. This incident, though, very much still under investigation.
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ROBERTS: The American Embassy in Baghdad looking into that matter tonight.
And from India tonight, a picture that you have to see to believe.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hundreds of infants were dropped from the roof of a mosque in western India. See for yourself.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Participants believe, once the children, who are mostly under the age of 2, are caught in a bed sheet, the families are guaranteed good health and prosperity.
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ROBERTS: Now, that is what you call a bouncing baby boy. Children's advocates not pleased with the whole thing.
And that brings us to our Friday night punchline courtesy of Jon Stewart. He is absolutely stunned at Republican claims that the Obama health care plan includes a measure to euthanize our senior citizens.
Check this out from "The Daily Show."
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Rumor has it that, if we get this new health care system in, that older American citizens will just be put out to pasture.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have been told there is a clause in there that everyone that's Medicare age will be visited and told to decide how they wish to die.
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JON STEWART, HOST, "THE DAILY SHOW WITH JON STEWART": Actually that is a provision for hospice care and counseling.
But tell her, Obama!
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: You know, the -- I guarantee you, first of all, we just don't have enough government workers to send to talk to everybody to find out how they want to die.
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STEWART: Mr. President, I'm not sure you want to go with dry wit on this one.
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ROBERTS: Jon Stewart, everyone.
And that is the "Mash-Up" tonight.
Tonight's newsmaker, a small business owner who is challenging President Obama on his health care plan.
Plus, Michael Jackson's chef, she was there the day he died and describes exactly what happened inside the mansion.
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CHASE: The daughter, she starts -- Paris, she starts screaming, daddy, daddy, daddy. We all started crying. And...
LARRY KING, HOST, "LARRY KING LIVE": You knew something was wrong with Michael?
CHASE: So, we knew something was wrong. Something was wrong. And she is screaming daddy and starts crying. And then we start crying. And we all come together in unity in a circle and we started holding hands and we started praying.
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ROBERTS: Well, most Americans might find face time with the president of the United States just a little bit intimidating, but not tonight's newsmaker. She is a small business owner who challenged President Obama on his health care plan at a town hall in North Carolina. Take a look.
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PATTY BRIGUGLIO, PRESIDENT, MMI ASSOCIATES, INC.: My name is Patty Briguglio. I own a company called MMI Associates, Inc.
I have 20 employees, and I provide health care benefits for them. And so I wouldn't blow it, I have written down my question.
What current long-term social program created and run by the government should we look to as a model of success?
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Just in the health care arena, I would point to two areas. Medicare and the VA are both government-run health care programs that have very high satisfaction rates.
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ROBERTS: Hmm. Well, not satisfied herself, Patty pressed the president again as he pressed the flesh afterwards.
Did she get her answer?
Patty Briguglio joins us tonight live from Raleigh, North Carolina.
And here with me for a reality check on the health care proposals out there, all of them, chief business correspondent Ali Velshi.
So, Patty, first of all, tell us, you spoke very directly to the president. What are you most worried about when it comes to health care reform and the plans that are out there in Congress right now?
BRIGUGLIO: Well, what I asked the president was is that -- is my concern about my taxes going up. And he assured me that any tax credits that I receive would offset any increase in my income taxes.
And that is when we started kind of -- and I said, hey, I expect you to hold true to that. And we said he would. And we were laughing and it was all great. But I didn't get to do the follow-up, which said, how will the tax credits affect me when I'm a Subchapter S?
And I'm certainly not an accountant. I'm a P.R. person. But there are millions of other small businesses who are LLCs and Subchapter S's.
And, as I understand it, this kind of a tax entity, the revenue flows to us as individuals. So, how will a tax credit be applied to an individual? If you are a C corp, but I don't understand that how they're going to happen as a Subchapter S.
ROBERTS: All right, let's turn to our chief business correspondent, Ali Velshi, because this stuff is all Greek to me. And there's a number of plans that are making their way through Congress. And he's up on all this stuff.
First of all, let's paint the picture. She has got a P.R. firm with about 20 employees. She doesn't actually provide the health care for them. She gives them an allowance and then they go out and they buy it. So, would she do better or would she do worse under this plan? And these tax credit implications for her vs. tax increases, how does she do that?
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ALI VELSHI, CNN CHIEF BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Patty is right to be concerned about this, because if she hits 25 employees, under one of the proposals out there, she would be compelled to buy group insurance for her employees.
Right now, it is cheaper for her to reimburse her employees for individual health policies. Now, there are many different kinds of corporations in America. Many small businesses are LLCs or S corporations, as Patty says, where the income is personal income.
So, if the government is going to offer a tax credit to offset the extra money that Patty is going to have to pay to -- to cover her employees, they have got to make sure that all those differing kinds of small businesses, S corporations, LLCs, are able to claim that tax credit.
There are a lot of studies that say the cost of doing what the government wants to do vs. Patty having group insurance for her people will actually be lower. But Patty is not having group insurance for her people. She is subsidizing individual policies.
ROBERTS: So, at the moment, with 20 employees, would she do better or worse under this plan?
VELSHI: Well, 20 employees -- it is hard to say. A lot of the studies indicate there will be a savings of about $850 per employee vs. having a group program. So, it all depends on how much you're saving now.
ROBERTS: Any idea what your gross payroll is? Is it under $500,000?
BRIGUGLIO: I don't -- I have no clue.
My operations manager could tell you that.
ROBERTS: OK.
BRIGUGLIO: But here is what is disturbing to me is, is that because I give my employees an allowance, all but two of them I pay 100 percent of their health benefits because it is less expensive for them to get an individual policy.
ROBERTS: Right.
BRIGUGLIO: And what I don't understand is why the government is using the M-word, mandating that I have to do this.
Why don't they build a program that is so good that small business wants to join it, instead of mandating it?
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ROBERTS: Well, here's the thing, though, that, under the current proposal in the House that was negotiated with the Blue Dog Democrats, if she has a payroll of less than $500,000, she is not mandated, right?
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VELSHI: Right.
But the issue is, Patty runs a successful business. So, she has got 20 employees now. You would hope that that business grows at a good rate. So, she's going to either hit 25 employees or if she were under $500,000 on her payroll she is grow into that.
What you don't want to do is discourage businesses from growing because they're going to get hit by taxes. That is part of the issue. The issue of mandate comes to the fact that insurance gets cheaper as you have a larger risk pool. So our company pays less per person for insurance than Patty would.
Unless that pool is big, you can't get cheap insurance. And that is part of why a lot of people are pushing the mandate. Got to get a lot of people involved.
ROBERTS: Patty, if you believe that the president is sincere and passionate about reforming health care, but you feel like he is leaving too much of this in the hands of Congress, what would you like to see him do?
BRIGUGLIO: I was so impressed by the president. I didn't vote for him, but I came away from that meeting really believing that he cared passionately about this.
But my concern is, is that instead of him walking down to Congress and working with them to craft this, he is allowing Congress to put this together. And what my biggest fear is, is that we are going to end up with something like TSA if we try and put it together in a month.
And you know what it's like at TSA. We have this big bloated program that is -- just slows you down at the airport, makes you strip down, and you're walking barefoot, so that they you can get through the metal detectors. I don't want that.
I think we need to take a reasoned approach to this. I think small business needs to be at the table.
ROBERTS: Yes. And she is concerned that small business wasn't at the table enough even though she did attend a health care forum in June. She said she was sitting way in the back of the room.
Has small business had the same seat at the table that big business and the health insurance companies have?
VELSHI: No. And for a couple reasons. Small businesses, by the way, are the engine of job growth in this country. We actually need them to create jobs. But they have different interests. It is not the same as big business interests. So, their representation with government has been less than big businesses do. And that is a concern.
But Patty's business is run differently than a lot of other small businesses. And they don't have one monolithic concern. They don't share one view. They just need to not be overly taxed so that they can create jobs, because that's what we need to get this economy back.
ROBERTS: And, Patty, you saw the beer summit yesterday. You would like the president to invite you over for a class of pinot grigio and hear from small business owners about what they would like in health care reform?
BRIGUGLIO: Yes, I would. I would love to sit down with the president and talk to him about some of these concerns.
I do believe we need health care reform. but I think he needs to hear from the concerns of small business. So, yes, I would love to have a glass of pinot grigio with the president.
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ROBERTS: There you go, all right. Patty Briguglio, thanks for joining us tonight from North Carolina.
And, Ali, as always, it's great to see you. Thanks for bringing your expertise to the table tonight.
BRIGUGLIO: Thank you so much.
ROBERTS: All right. You bet. Good to have you on.
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A developing story and big worries in Washington state tonight -- explosives, lots of explosives are missing.
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ROBERTS: Now a look at the other must-see stories of the day.
Erica Hill is here with tonight's "Download."
Good evening.
ERICA HILL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Nice to see you, John.
And we begin with some breaking news tonight, incredible news out of Washington state, hundreds of pounds of explosives missing tonight. Authorities are asking the public for help now in finding this assortment of explosives. They were all stolen from a regional airport at the port of Walla Walla, Washington.
Take a listen to some of the things that were stolen, 96 blocks of TNT, a roll of detonation cord that measures 1,500 feet. Among the other things stolen, consumer fireworks. Now, it turns out that the explosives belong to various agencies. The ATF has now taken over the investigation, but, again, a lot of things missing tonight. And if you know anything about it in the public either they are asking for your help.
Meantime, in Idaho, a missing 8-year-old boy may be the victim of a -- quote -- "tragic event." Robert Manwill of Boise hasn't been seen for a week. And now police are saying that evidence found last night at his mother's apartment indicates suspicious circumstances. Court records show the mother pleaded guilty in March to willfully injuring another son, an infant, by striking his head against a surface, causing a skull fracture.
And there are new photos tonight of the president's airplane, shots from that infamous flight over Lower Manhattan back in April. Tough to forget this one. Hardly anybody knew about it, which caused plenty of panic and outrage here in New York and also in New Jersey.
Memories of September 11 still very fresh. Well, today, nearly 150 images, you are seeing a quick recap of them there, of that flight were released. You may recall the official who ordered the so-called beauty shots resigned shortly after that photo session.
And the kids who were turned away from a Philadelphia area swim club will have plenty to write in the what I did in my summer vacation essay come September. More than mostly black and Hispanic kids from the Creative Step camp in Florida today with actor Tyler Perry, who made good on his promise of an all-expense-paid trip to Walt Disney World.
The kids were allegedly kept out of the club's pool because of racial discrimination. The swim club denies those allegations. Perry told the kids to live their lives for the betterment of the community.
ROBERTS: It is a good lesson for them, learning how to give back at an early age. And that will last a lifetime.
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HILL: Yes. I thought it was interesting, too. Tyler Perry didn't want video cameras around the kids. Those photos actually came from Disney World, not from him.
ROBERTS: Interesting. And he wants kids to know, too, that, while they might have some negative experiences in life, there are people out there who want them to see the positive.
HILL: There are, and that you can learn from all those experiences, which is a great lesson.
ROBERTS: Great to see you, Erica.
Thanks so much.
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ROBERTS: Tonight's newsmaker, Michael Jackson's chef. She was in the House the day she died.
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CHASE: Around 12:00, 12:05, 12:10, Dr. Murray comes down the stairs. There was a stairwell that leads into the kitchen. And he's screaming, hurry. Go get Prince. Call security. Get Prince.
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ROBERTS: Well, when he was alive and in his prime ,we called him the king of pop. Now, with sudden death, investigators are calling Michael Jackson something else, as the criminal case reaches a new level.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For the first time officials are referring to Michael Jackson as a drug addict. And after what they found at his doctors' offices, they are making it unmistakably clear they intend to pursue serious criminal charges.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The warrants say there's probably cause to believe searches of the home and office of Dr. Murray's office, Jackson's personal doctor, would uncover evidence of -- quote -- "crimes of excess," specifically excessive prescribing, prescribing to or treating an addict, and manslaughter.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On Thursday, the L.A. Coroner's Office and the LAPD brought in prosecutors for a high-level meeting. They have delayed the toxicology results again for at least another week, claiming there is more to investigate.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That signals to me that an arrest is imminent.
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ROBERTS: So, how do investigators think Jackson's doctors got their hands on to so many powerful prescriptions for the troubled star?
Our Randi Kaye is live in Los Angeles tonight, where she has been digging into those search warrants.
And, Randi, you have been looking into the aliases that officials believe were used to obtain drugs for Michael Jackson. What have you found on that front?
RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, John.
We went through these search warrants that were served earlier this week in Las Vegas at Dr. Conrad Murray's home and also at his clinic. And in all there were 19 different aliases that investigators seemed to be looking for.
What they're trying to do is find a connection between Michael Jackson, all of these aliases possibly and the doctors who treated him over the years. They're trying to find out maybe if he was prescribed medication under these other names that possibly contributed to his death.
And I can tell you that two of the aliases really stand out. One of them is his own son, Prince Jackson. That's one of the aliases that they think he might have been using. The other is the name of his personal chef, Kai Chase. So, there you have two of the 19 aliases that they were looking at.
ROBERTS: And there is another alias, isn't terrorist, Randi, that's getting a lot of scrutiny. Omar Arnold? Why is that one so significant?
KAYE: Omar Arnold, which we have already confirmed from a good source with knowledge of the investigation that it is one of the aliases that he has used in the past, Omar Arnold is the name that was found on a C.D. that was in Dr. Conrad Murray's clinic.
So, here you have a C.D. with that name, the alias that Michael Jackson has apparently used, according to our source, on a C.D. that was found at the clinic belonging to the doctor who is really at the center of this investigation.
We also know from one other doctor, a former doctor of Michael Jackson that he used to prescribe medicine under the name Omar Arnold, also under the name Michael Jackson. So, it seems to be one of the more popular aliases that he was using.
ROBERTS: An increasingly tangled web.
Randi Kaye for us tonight -- Randi, thanks so much. Stick around, too, because we want to talk to you a little bit later about more of this.
Fake names, famous names, family names all among the aliases allegedly used to get drugs for Michael Jackson. And, as Randi said, police say the name Kai Chase is on that list.
The real Kai Chase joins us now from Los Angeles. She was Jackson's personal chef. She was in Jackson's home the day he died.
Kai, the fact that your name was on this list of some 19 aliases that may have been used to procure drugs, is that a surprise to you?
KAI CHASE, MICHAEL JACKSON'S PERSONAL CHEF: You know, yes. That is -- it was quite devastating to hear. I was just made aware of that by my PR consultant, Michael (INAUDIBLE). And, you know, it blew me away. I felt, you know, am confused and I felt used, you know? It's terrible.
CHASE: It's terrible.
ROBERTS: Yes, what was your relationship to Dr. Conrad Murray, the man who is at the center of this investigation and do you have any reason to suspect that he might have used your name to procure drugs?
CHASE: Well, you know, at this point it seems like probably so. Probably so. I mean, you know, I just, you know, it's just a very confusing, you know, situation and it is a very heartbreaking situation to know that you come, and you work in someone's home and you are employed there and they can actually just start mistreating and using your name, you know, sources that they feel that this is okay.
ROBERTS: And again, what was your relationship with Dr. Murray? You know, you were both in the house a lot at the same time? I would expect that you saw each other frequently?
CHASE: I saw Dr. Murray quite often, you know, during the months that I was there. And he seemed to be a very nice man. He seemed to be a very nice man and, you know, well-versed. And, you know, he would come down in the mornings and get Mr. Jackson his organic and fresh juices that I would make. The beet juices, and, you know, the ginger and green apple lemon ginger, the juices I'd make for him, or he'd take them both and he'd get, you know, cereal for Mr. Jackson. He seemed nice.
ROBERTS: And you were there the morning that Michael Jackson died. What was the doctor's behavior like on that morning?
CHASE: Well, I didn't see Dr. Murray in the morning, actually. I get into the house --
ROBERTS: That was toward noon, I guess, right?
CHASE: Well, yes. I get in the house around 8:30, but I saw him around noon. Normally I would see him around 10:00, 10:30 when he comes down to get something for breakfast for Mr. Jackson. And that day I did not.
ROBERTS: So what was his behavior like when you did see him about noon?
CHASE: When I saw him around noon, he was frantic. He comes running down the stairs screaming, get Prince, get security in a frantic state, you know. And, you know, at that point I dropped everything. Ran to got Prince and he goes back upstairs.
You know, around -- you know, that time everyone is panicking in the home.
ROBERTS: Right.
CHASE: You know, we're panicking and we're crying. You know, we don't know what to make of what's going on upstairs.
ROBERTS: So --
CHASE: Paramedics were there and security is upstairs. It was just a lot going on.
ROBERTS: So Prince is 12 years old. Why would he yell for you to get Prince? What was his role in the family?
CHASE: You know, I think at that point Dr. Murray was just so frantic and just so nervous and scared that he just called for any -- you called for Prince, call for security. But, you know, Prince -- you know, he's, you know, like a little man around the house. You know, and so probably naturally, you know, grab Prince. You know, I personally was not allowed to go upstairs. You know, house rules. So, you know, if there is anyone closer, it could have been Prince he would call for.
ROBERTS: Well, tell me more about that, about these house rules. You were the chef. You were preparing all of the food. You're preparing juices, meals. Why were you never allowed to go upstairs?
CHASE: You know, like any, you know, company you're hired, you know, some corporations have a handbook of rules and these are the rules that you abide by, you know. So, you know, working for anyone, a celebrity of that level, you know, there's just certain things that you do and you don't do.
ROBERTS: Right.
CHASE: You know, we are not allowed to go upstairs is what I was told. You know, my job was in the kitchen -- you know, chef. This is what I was doing.
ROBERTS: But you did -- you have said in other interviews that on several occasions you saw Dr. Murray bringing oxygen bottles down the stairs and taking them upstairs. Did you ever become suspicious and did you ever think to yourself what the heck is going on up there?
CHASE: Yes. Well, you know, I saw the oxygen tanks that he would bring down in the mornings. And, yes, of course. You know, I was a little curious.
I've never seen anything like that before in someone's home. You know, so I never asked. You know, I figured he's the doctor that was hired. He's Mr. Jackson's personal physician. He should know what he's doing.
ROBERTS: Yes. You know, as we said, you are the person who is preparing all of his food. And we heard in the days after his death that Michael Jackson was eating only one meal a day. He appeared to some people to be losing weight. He did seem to be probably lighter than we have ever seen him in the past. Was he eating only one meal a day and what was he eating? What were you preparing for him?
CHASE: Mr. Jackson was eating lunch and I was preparing dinner for he and his children. So, the foods that I would make for him are always fresh, organic meals. He was into very healthy eating. And he was also into comfort food on Saturdays.
ROBERTS: Right.
CHASE: You know, Sunday, he would eat KFC. I'd act see the buckets of KFC, you know.
ROBERTS: You're kidding.
CHASE: Yes, and barbecue chicken bones just on the plate, you know. Corn on the cob down to the -- it's just gone. And, you know, Father's day, made him gumbo. He asked for gumbo. But he was eating organic and he was eating fresh during the week because he's dancing and he's rehearsing. And, you know, as a dancer his body is his tool, you know.
ROBERTS: So what you're saying would seem to run counter to reports that we've had that he was a strict vegetarian.
CHASE: No. Mr. Jackson was not eating any beef and he wasn't eating any pork, and neither were his children.
ROBERTS: But he did eat chicken, you said.
CHASE: Chicken, fish and turkey, and organic vegetables and fruit.
ROBERTS: So, Kai, you have seen the children since his death. And I'm wondering how are they doing and this arrangement that was struck the other day to give Michael Jackson's mother, Katherine, full custody, Debbie Rowe who they've never really known as their mother, never really been seen gets visitation rights. Do you think they'll be happy with that arrangement?
CHASE: I think so. I think they will be happy with that arrangement. I saw these children a few weeks ago and they looked really good. They asked me to come over and visit. And I met with Katherine for the first time. They're wonderful with her.
You know, the children -- I mean, they look great. They sent me little letters, you know, while I was at the house, you know, thanking me for the food, thanking me. Paris sent, you know, a cute little letter saying, you know, thanks for the apricots. Daddy loves them. You know, so the children are just, you know, they're a joy. You know, I think that will be a nice arrangement for them.
ROBERTS: So you had a pretty good relationship with them while you were at the house, while you're working for Michael Jackson? Do you think that will continue?
CHASE: I would like to. I'd like to see them still. I would hope so. These children are wonderful, and they're very bright and charming kids. And, you know, they're smart. They're just loved. I would love to see them. Of course.
ROBERTS: Kai Chase, it's great to talk to you tonight. Thanks for taking the time. We really appreciate it.
CHASE: Thank you.
ROBERTS: All right. Take care.
Powerful prescriptions allegedly filled with fake names, as we were talking about with Kai Chase. If officials knew what was going on with Michael Jackson, why did they not put a stop to it? We'll try to get some answers to that question coming up next.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) ROBERTS: Multiple aliases to help score prescription drugs for Michael Jackson. If true, it is just the latest bizarre twist in the Jackson investigation which is still underway more than a month after his death.
Let's bring back in our Randi Kaye. She is in Los Angeles along with "Inside Edition" chief correspondent and former CNN anchor Jim Moret, and also Dr. Jorge Rodriguez who is a board certified internist.
Dr. Rodriguez, let's start with you. You heard Randi Kaye report just a little while ago that police believed there were 19 possible aliases being used by doctors to procure prescription drugs for Michael Jackson. What do you make of that?
DR. JORGE RODRIGUEZ, BOARD CERTIFIED INTERNIST: Well, it doesn't actually surprise me. The scope of 19 names is astounding. But it's not unusual for a physician who is doing this to actually have many different aliases of people they know. That way they tend not to trip up when they reorder the medications.
And I also wouldn't be surprised, for example, if each alias had a specific medication assigned to it. That way you don't raise the suspicion of a pharmacist.
ROBERTS: Right.
RODRIDGUEZ: They do have many medications that don't make sense assigned to one person.
ROBERTS: But in the pantheon of medical practice in and the law, where does that fall?
RODRIGUEZ: Well, that's extremely illegal. Not only is it malpractice, but it's forgery. It's probably even -- well, most definitely it's going to be probably federal offenses because of the drugs that were probably being used. Narcotics are regulated by the federal government. S So this -- this is a whole can of pain that is being opened up here.
ROBERTS: And, Randi Kaye, the search warrant that was executed on Dr. Conrad Murray's home and office in Las Vegas say probable cause for manslaughter but there were also a number of other possible charges in there. Can you run them down for us?
RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Right. John, they were looking for evidence of manslaughter. They also -- the search warrant also said that they were looking for evidence of excessive prescribing. They were looking for evidence of prescribing to an addict, prescribing to and treating an addict. And lastly, they were looking for evidence of unprofessional conduct.
We don't know if they found all of that evidence but that's certainly what they were looking for.
ROBERTS: Jim Moret, officials apparently knew as far back as 2003 that Michael Jackson was getting prescription drugs under aliases. Why was nothing done back then?
JIM MORET, CHIEF CORRESPONDENT, "INSIDE EDITION": You it's the curious thing, John. At that time, the prosecutor was looking at one thing and one thing only, allegations of molestation. They did find a lot of prescription drugs and they found aliases and they found a number of doctors, but none of that evidence was admissible in the case dealing with molestation. And frankly, they could have gone forward with the drug case but they chose not to.
ROBERTS: And, Dr. Rodriguez, let's come back to this search warrant that was executed again on the home and the business in Las Vegas that Randi Kaye just ran down. Some of the other allegations contained in it. One of them prescribing to an addict. What are the laws about that for doctors?
RODRIGUEZ: Well, the laws about that is that if you know that a patient that you have is addicted to medication, you're complicit in worsening that addiction by prescribing that medication. Therefore, not only could you lose your license but you could be up for criminal charges, and like I said, especially federal charges for the drug enforcement agency.
ROBERTS: So that is, that is a potential criminal charge and not just a civil charge in terms of malpractice?
RODRIGUEZ: Correct. Absolutely, because, I mean, you could be contributing to someone's demise, someone's death by worsening that addiction and giving them medications that will eventually kill them.
ROBERTS: You know, we've been waiting five weeks now for the toxicology report and definitive evidence as to what Michael Jackson. Randi Kaye, we learn that toxicology report, the autopsy results at least on the county coroner's office level have been delayed indefinitely. What are your sources telling you as to why?
KAYE: I spoke with a source with excellent knowledge of the autopsy and the investigation. And from what I understand there was a meeting yesterday between the Los Angeles Police Department, the district attorney's office here and the coroner's office, and this was a joint decision, as my source told me, that they wanted to put this off. They don't know when they're going to release these results and make them public. They've put it off indefinitely because they said that they just need some time here.
They're still gathering records. They're still gathering information. They're still gathering Michael Jackson's files from doctors. I know earlier this week, investigators paid a visit to a plastic surgeon in Beverly Hills to pick up more of his records.
ROBERTS: Right.
KAYE: So clearly, their work isn't finished.
ROBERTS: And, Jim, quick question. Do you think that the delay in the results -- in the release of the results of the autopsy are because of this investigation into Diprivan, otherwise known as Propofol?
MORET: It could be. It could be they're having a difficulty in actually discerning whether the Diprivan was the only medication that killed Michael Jackson. There could have been a cocktail. But there's no rush. You know, in the Anna Nicole case, charges weren't filed until more than a year after Anna Nicole's death. There's no rush. They want to do this correctly.
ROBERTS: All right. Jim Moret, thanks very much, as well as Dr. Rodriguez and Randi Kaye. And stick around, Jim, by the way, because you're going to be hosting "LARRY KING LIVE" tonight. And much more on the Michael Jackson case. That's coming up at the top of the hour.
Have the paparazzi finally gone too far? Wait until you hear what led to a break-in and arrest and who was arrested all in the name of getting a scoop.
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ROBERTS: Now to our next big question of the evening. Are paparazzi going too far in stalking celebrities?
Exhibit A, Sarah Jessica Parker and the surrogate mother who recently gave birth to Parker's twin daughters. In a headline making development today, two Ohio police chiefs were charge with breaking into the surrogate mother's home looking for items that they could sell to the paparazzi.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How low is this? Two police chiefs accused in the break-in at the home of Sarah Jessica Parker's surrogate mom, the lady who carried twins for Matthew Broderick?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Two of the men are Ohio police chiefs while the third is the son of a local mayor. Prosecutors say Martins Ferry police chief, Barry Carpenter, allegedly broke into the home of Michelle Ross so he could take and sell items and information to celebrity tabloids.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Martins Ferry Chief Carpenter in a phone interview with NBC's station WTOV maintained his innocence.
BARRY CARPENTER, MARTINS FERRY POLICE CHIEF: I'm 100 percent innocent in this and my department as well.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The harassment was of serious concern to Parker when I spoke to her this past May.
The woman who's carrying the twins has been identified, not only identified, she has been followed.
SARAH JESSICA PARKER, ACTRESS: I mean, really, the most unsavory things have been done. I mean, she's, you know, had her phone hacked, her personal computer information hacked. She's had threats against her and she's had people come to her door and say incredibly shocking things to her.
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ROBERTS: So is our appetite for celebrity gossip putting innocent people at risk? Joining me now is CNN legal analyst Lisa Bloom, and Sharon Waxman. She's the editor-in-chief of the entertainment news Website TheWrap.com.
Sharon, let's start us off here. You've covered Hollywood for an awfully long time, but is this a new low in terms of the paparazzi and trying to get information to them?
SHARON WAXMAN, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, THEWRAP.COM: Yes. It's disgusting. Even I was shocked. I've seen a lot of things. I covered O.J. I covered Michael Jackson's death. I covered Michael Jackson's trial.
I've covered a lot of sordid stuff. That's pretty low. The people whose job it is to protect us. Now, just pretty candid (ph) in there the guy says he's completely innocent so, of course, let's wait to see what happens.
But there's a lot of smoke going on over there. I just think the idea that police officers could be on the payroll is to invade someone's privacy for the purpose of selling information to paparazzi is absolutely a new low for me.
ROBERTS: Well, let's talk more about that in just a second. But first of all, Lisa, let's go to you. What's really amazing about this case and not just that broken into this woman's home, but she's not even a celebrity. She carried a child for Sarah Jessica Parker and Matthew Broderick. Is the demand for celebrity gossip because of the explosion on all of this on the Internet so great that they're now going after people who aren't even celebrities?
LISA BLOOM, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Well, you're right, John. And let's break this down.
They went after a woman who's a non-celebrity, a woman who is pregnant with twins, living in Ohio, minding her own business. And they're not just police officers who are accused. These are two police chiefs and the son of a local mayor. I mean, this is an appalling story.
And, yes, look, we live in a celebrity worshipful culture. Magazines, television shows on and on are fueled by this kind of celebrity worship. And I'm sure if these allegations are true, and they are presumed innocent but they were offered very substantial amounts of money by tabloids, and unfortunately, maybe they fell for it just like many, many people do. And look, there's a lot of Web sites, there's a lot of magazines and there's a lot of shows that are fueled by getting stories in very inappropriate ways. And in my opinion, this is the tip of the iceberg. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a lot more stories like this.
ROBERTS: You know, Sharon, you said just a second ago, you think it's a new low that these police chiefs were out there trying to get money and may have been on the payroll of somebody or may have been doing this just to inspect (ph). But you have reported in the past police who have been on the payroll of some of these tabloids.
WAXMAN: Yes. That is true. And you have to put it in that context. So, yes, there are people in emergency rooms and secretaries and plastic surgeons' office and various hotel concierges who are certainly on the payroll of the tabloids.
And we have, of course, of Anthony Pellicano, who is the Hollywood private detective who we know had a detective in Beverly Hills on his payroll. They were tapping phones of the power brokers in Hollywood.
ROBERTS: Right.
WAXMAN: So -- and that is true. Police chiefs invading a private person's home, I don't know.
ROBERTS: And what about that, Lisa? You know, Martins Ferry mayor still considers this chief, Carpenter, to be on the payroll. Obviously in this country, you know, you're innocent until proven guilty. But do you think they're getting off easy?
BLOOM: Well, I think it's very disturbing. Absolutely, they should not be on the payroll. They should be suspended without leave until there's an investigation, until this thing is concluded, not just on the criminal side but on personnel side because, as you say, they are police chiefs. I mean, what the heck were they doing if they're good for these charges, going into a home? What were they looking for exactly? What were they going to do, sell something on eBay that belonged to this poor woman? Put hidden cameras into her apartment and take pictures of her? I mean, this is really appalling.
ROBERTS: Yes. As you said, the whole thing shocking, stunning and appalling.
WAXMAN: I also wonder like, does -- the other thing is, does Sarah Jessica Parker really sell that many magazines. That's also interesting to me.
ROBERTS: Yes.
WAXMAN: Honestly, I mean, the price for --
ROBERTS: Well --
WAXMAN: The first pictures of Brangelina's babies, yes.
BLOOM: But baby pictures are huge. They sell for millions of dollars.
WAXMAN: Yes.
ROBERTS: Yes.
BLOOM: Maybe they wanted sonogram pictures.
ROBERTS: We got to run folks. But even if she sold one, this thing is still outrageous.
Sharon Waxman, Lisa Bloom, great to talk to you tonight. Thanks for being with us.
WAXMAN: Thanks.
ROBERTS: While most young people her age were home playing Guitar Hero, this girl was one for just one night. See the fan who ended up on stage holding her own with a big-time band.
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ROBERTS: Welcome back. Every night we bring you a "Breakout" story from around the globe, something that you've just got to see.
Tonight, it's a YouTube sensation and rock 'n' roll dream come true. The band Green Day likes to pull a fan up on stage to play guitar at some point during the show. But at New York's Madison Square Garden this week, a fan named Stephanie absolutely rocked the house in the tune "Jesus of Suburbia." Check it out.
Well, she did a great job. No question about that. And it kind of reminds me of another guitar goddess in the making, 16-year-old Leslie Rupp (ph) from Hazard, Kentucky who joined Keith Urban last year to play the lead solo on the song "Raise the Barn." Listen to this.
No question. Guitar goddesses in the making, both of them. And I have to be honest with you, as a fan of both Keith Urban and Green Day I'm awfully jealous of both of them.
And that's going to do it for us. For Campbell Brown, I'm John Roberts. Have yourself a great weekend.
"LARRY KING LIVE" with Jim Moret sitting in tonight starts right after this. We'll see you back again here on Monday.
