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Jane Velez-Mitchell

Jackson`s Doctor Linked to Knock-Out Drugs; Woman, 38, Abducted While on Phone

Aired August 14, 2009 - 19:00   ET

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VINNY POLITAN, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, a secret stash of Propofol found in Michael`s home. According to TMZ, cops uncovered three large bottles and five vials of the anesthesia inside a closet in Dr. Conrad Murray`s room. According to doctors, this much anesthesia would only last for eight hours. So if Murray was putting Jackson asleep every night, where was he hiding the rest of the drugs?

And a woman abducted while walking in the woods. And her boyfriend says heard the whole thing on his cell phone. The couple was talking on the phone when the cars pulls up beside her, and he heard her scream, "Don`t take me." Now, cops are desperately searching for any sign of this woman.

Also, from federal prison to a multimillion-dollar contract. Michael Vick is back in the NFL. But does this guy deserve a spot at redemption?

Plus, Michael Phelps smashes up his SUV in a three-car accident. The Olympic swimmer was not hurt, and ops insist there was no alcohol involved. But why is drunk-driving the first thing we think of when we hear athletes wrecking their cars?

And Jon and Kate plus police? Cops were called to the reality show home. Radar Online says the couple was in a heated argument because of Jon`s relationship with the nanny. I don`t know about you, but I can`t wait for this episode.

ISSUES starts now.

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POLITAN: Tonight, more ties that bind Michael Jackson`s death, his doctor, and a possibly lethal dose of a surgical knock-out drug. Law enforcement sources telling TMZ that Jackson`s personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, had Propofol stashed in a closet at the mansion.

Moreover, TMZ says there are signs he had a steady stream of the stuff coming via FedEx and stowed somewhere else. Three large bottles and five smaller bottles of Propofol were found in the closet attached to Dr. Murray`s bedroom, the room where Jackson was given Propofol the day he died, says TMZ.

By the way, according to the pros, three bottles and five vials is only enough for one eight-hour dose. If he was getting the drug night after night, it might explain what nurse Cherilyn Lee told Nancy Grace last month.

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CHERILYN LEE, SAYS SHE TREATED MICHAEL JACKSON: He wanted this Diprivan and was emphatic about wanting to have it. When it came to several things, even nutritional supplements, he always wanted to have a large quantity, and he wanted a large quantity at his house. He said, you know, "The way the economy is going and things are happening, I want to make sure I have everything at my disposal."

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POLITAN: Meantime, it appears that the feds and local police knew just what they were hunting for at Tuesday`s raid at that pharmacy in Vegas. The search warrant affidavit shows, quote, a sample of bottles, vials of Propofol, manufactured by Teva Inc. and Hospira Inc. and records relating to purchase and delivery of Propofol to Dr. Conrad Murray.

While cops keep the coroner`s cause of death report under wraps, La Toya Jackson, who hasn`t been shy about her theory, spoke out yesterday to NBC News.

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LA TOYA JACKSON, SISTER OF MICHAEL: And still sort of like trying to really find out what exactly happened to my brother. That`s the most important thing for me right now.

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POLITAN: Possible tour of the Jackson 8. What?

Straight to my panel. Let`s figure this all out. Mark Eiglarsh, criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor. We`ve also got Lisa Bloom, CNN legal analyst; Dr. Dale Archer, clinical psychiatrist; Tonya Acker, attorney and blogger for the "Huffington Post"; J. Randy Taraborelli, author of "Michael Jackson: The Magic, The Madness, The Whole Story"; and Mike Walters, assignment manager for TMZ.

Mike, let`s start with you. What do you have for us on this doctor- patient Propofol connection?

MIKE WALTERS, ASSIGNMENT MANAGER, TMZ: Well, like you said before, what we can tell you is they found three large bottles, which they come in 100-millimeter size, and five smaller ones.

Now, the weird thing is, it was a stash. It was in his house. It was in a closet. The problem is, is that this amount of Propofol would only last about eight hours, so in other words, one night of full sleep, unless he was only taking it for a certain amount of time.

The interesting part, though, with the FedEx is that this is the last search warrant we just got. The last search warrant we just got has FedEx on it. And all of them, they`re looking for FedEx numbers. And it`s the same lady, Stacey Howe. And they specifically say delivery and storage of Propofol connected to Dr. Conrad Murray.

So I think they`re trying to set up, and as we can see the paperwork, is Conrad Murray had to have been getting it some other way from some other place, either storage or FedExing it in constantly. Because all they found was one night`s worth of this stuff in the house. So I think we`re sort of starting to see it zero in on what exactly happened and how it was getting to him.

POLITAN: Absolutely. Lisa Bloom, this -- you know, three bottles and five vials, that`s just good for one eight-hour night. If he`s doing this night after night after night, I can see why all these search warrants looking in warehouses and looking for these records. I mean, the paper trail could do in the doctor here.

LISA BLOOM, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Well, exactly, Vinny. I think you really put your finger on it. That`s why the police are searching the Las Vegas home and clinic of Dr. Murray. That`s why they went down to Houston to search this clinic. That`s why they searched the pharmacy in Las Vegas. They`re trying to make the connection.

But it does seem clear that Dr. Murray, regardless of how much was on hand at Michael Jackson`s house, was getting Propofol night after night after night. You know, doctors are not supposed to be just drug dealers in lab coats. He was getting the stuff for Michael Jackson to help him sleep night after night after night, allegedly. I mean, that`s really sick stuff.

And that puts him in hot water legally, because this wasn`t just one occasion that went wrong, apparently. This was a course of conduct that he was engaging in that was highly reckless and highly dangerous. I think that`s what law enforcement is trying to show.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: J. Randy Taraborelli, I`ve got to ask you. Let`s get the whole story here on Michael Jackson and his apparent addiction to getting knocked out at night.

When all this stuff is now being uncovered, does any of this surprise you in your research and your time of speaking with Michael Jackson and researching and writing about this man?

J. RANDY TARABORELLI, AUTHOR, "MICHAEL JACKSON": Well, you know, I first heard about the Propofol about a year ago when I was working on a story about Michael Jackson turning 50. And I have to tell you, Vinny, at that time, I just didn`t believe it was true. It just seemed to me to be such an extreme way, you know, to get sleep.

But I have to tell you also that I know Michael Jackson. I knew Michael Jackson very well. And he had serious sleep issues for about the last 25 years.

POLITAN: Now when you say sleep issues, are any of these sleep issues somehow related to other issues that he might have with other substances?

TARABORELLI: Well, you know, it`s hard to say. I mean, I`m not -- you know, obviously, not being a doctor, it`s difficult for me to pinpoint that. But I can tell you that, as far back as 1980, I remember Michael telling me that he could not sleep. And he was especially -- it was especially difficult for him to sleep when he was under a lot of pressure, when he was working or performing or rehearsing. And of course, we know that he was rehearsing for his major comeback tour during the time that he was receiving Propofol, allegedly, from his doctor.

POLITAN: All right, so you`re talking about a stressful situation. Let`s bring in Dr. Dale Archer. OK. Now, yes, the client is demanding all this. But for Michael Jackson to have these problems with sleep, what could cause these extreme sleeping problems? You would figure the guy would be exhausted after all these workouts and all this touring and going up there, performing on the stage and giving it everything he`s got. Wouldn`t he collapse once he got home?

DR. DALE ARCHER, CLINICAL PSYCHIATRIST: Not necessarily. We know that he had been diagnosed with depressing, panic attacks, anorexia. And we know that he was an addict. So the problem is, he started treating the sleep, and he used drugs that are addicting. But you have to be very cautious when you prescribe them. And he kept taking more and more and more.

So your tolerance keeps going up, up, up. And what happens is you have to take greater and greater doses to get the same effect. Eventually, this leads to traditional drugs don`t work, and then you go to an IV drug like Propofol, because it`s the strongest thing out there.

So I think that the doctors all along the way have some responsibility to say, "Hey, wait a minute. He is taking more than he should. And we`ve got to keep an eye on this."

And Dr. Murray has got to be right in there. He was his personal physician. So he should have known what drugs Michael was on, and he should have been the first one to step in and say, "Hey, we`ve got a problem. We`ve got to address this."

POLITAN: Who`s responsible here? Is it Michael Jackson being irresponsible for his own well being and misleading all these doctors and doctor shopping and telling one doctor one story, another doctor another story? Or is it really in the hands of the doctors here? What do you think?

TONYA ACKER, ATTORNEY: I think there`s plenty of shared responsibility. I mean, certainly, Michael Jackson has to own up -- well, can`t own up to anything now, obviously. But there certainly is a certain degree of personal responsibility that should be attributed to him for indulging in this behavior.

But addiction is a medical condition. It`s a serious medical condition. And these medical professionals have a responsibility to do their due diligence. You don`t simply give an addict more medicine because he said that he needs it. I mean, the doctors have a real responsibility. So I think there`s plenty of shared blame to go around.

ARCHER: And I think his personal doctor, Dr. Murray, has got to take the ultimate responsibility, because he was in charge of all of his medical care.

POLITAN: Mark Eiglarsh, let`s bring Mark in here. Mark, as a criminal defense attorney, are you concerned at all about perhaps, if in fact, this doctor is ordering all this Propofol to different places and from different sources? Does he have a legal problem?

MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Without question. What bothers me the most is for the doctor to come out and say this week that, "Look, I didn`t know Michael Jackson had this problem." I mean, No. 1, it`s incumbent upon the doctor to inquire. When my clients come into the office...

TARABORELLI: What if he lies?

EIGLARSH: Sure, he can lie. But so can my clients. I still want to know, listen, do you have a record dating back to the disco crisis? That will affect how I treat them, how I will fulfill their expectations. Similarly, doctors need to inquire and find out. Apparently, he didn`t. All you had to do was Google Michael Jackson, and you can know about it.

BLOOM: Absolutely. All you have to do is look at Michael Jackson.

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POLITAN: Much, much more on these drug reports in a minute.

Then, a woman is abducted, and her boyfriend hears it all go down on the phone. We`ll analyze this terrifying story.

But first, once again, suspicion swirls around Michael Jackson`s doctor, Conrad Murray. Here`s Jackson`s father, raising his own questions with Larry King.

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JOE JACKSON, MICHAEL`S FATHER: I understand that he left or went to sleep or something. I don`t know what happened next. He tried to bring Michael...

LARRY KING, HOST, "LARRY KING LIVE": Are you implying then that the doctor committed foul play?

J. JACKSON: Something went wrong. Something went wrong, Larry. Because when they tried to bring Michael back, he was dead.

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JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: I think it does matter. Propofol, itself, doesn`t usually kill people. It`s an odd circumstance here, but the fact is, it`s a legal drug. A doctor was administering it. Jackson had a bad reaction to it, but that doesn`t necessarily make Murray guilty of a crime.

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Let me say one thing, first of all, about Propofol as a drug. It`s not necessarily just a side effect that would kill somebody. This is a medication that can essentially put you to sleep so hard, so powerful sleep, that you`re unable to breathe on your own.

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POLITAN: An interesting debate brewing over whether Dr. Murray and whether or not he has a plausible defense here. The lawyers, a lot of them seem to say yes. The physicians, not necessarily on the same page.

Back with my panel. And you know what? Looking at this as a former prosecutor, it`s not a clear-cut case of causation, if in fact, manslaughter charges are every brought against this doctor.

But Dr. Dale Archer, seems a lot of doctors like you are all saying, "You know what? This guy -- this guy is guilty. This guy did something that no doctor should ever do, and he should be culpable for a crime here, perhaps.

ARCHER: Absolutely. He`s guilty of malpractice, no doubt about it. Because you have what`s called a standard of care.

POLITAN: Right. Malpractice is one thing when you`re talking about money and civil -- and civil damages here. But how about a crime and locking someone up and taking away their freedom? Is there enough here?

ARCHER: Yes, well, I think that he violated the standard of care. And I think that he violated it to such an extent, where any doctor who looks at this would say you have to be an anesthesiologist, and you have to give this in an operating room, because you have to have machines there to breathe for the patient, to ventilate the patient.

POLITAN: You know what? You know what, Dr. Dale Archer? They`re going to find a doctor. Mark Eiglarsh, won`t his defense attorney find a doctor who will come in and say, "Hey, what he did wasn`t that bad"?

EIGLARSH: There are doctors -- there are doctors who say that. They`re there to buy.

But let me just say this. The issue is going to be what killed him. We don`t have the money shot, yet. So at best, we have gross malpractice. You`re not supposed to do this at home. It`s just not proper what he did. But what killed him? If it`s shown that that`s not what caused his death.

BLOOM: Vinny, it`s much worse than that.

POLITAN: How much worse is it, Lisa? How much worse?

BLOOM: It`s worse than that. Let`s look at this from the prosecutor`s point of view. First of all, this was a secret activity going on upstairs. The cook was not allowed to come upstairs. Who brought Michael Jackson`s breakfast tray up, according to the cook? The doctor.

POLITAN: That`s because...

BLOOM: Why? Because this was a secret activity going on upstairs. This doctor, Dr. Murray, if he did this night after night, he knew that what he was doing was dangerous. And that`s why he covered it up. He knew it should only be done in the hospital with all of the proper safeguards. And that`s why he covered it up.

He participated with Michael Jackson, who yes, is partly responsible, but he`s gone now.

TARABORELLI: There`s another issue, though.

BLOOM: There`s an ethical responsibility, and he lost his coral compass. And why? Because he was working for a big celebrity. He`s getting 150 grand a month.

TARABORELLI: That`s it.

BLOOM: And so he did whatever he was asked.

TARABORELLI: It`s all about the money.

ACKER: And there is a standard of recklessness that is completely tied. And you know what? We don`t know what caused it. The coroner hasn`t released the report. And I think that there are legal reasons for that. They want to make sure of it.

People aren`t able to get their stories straight. But let`s just exercise a little bit of common sense. A lot of people around the country have a hard time sleeping. I`m one of them. But for instance, if I go to my doctor, I have to tell her why I want Ambien 10 as opposed to 5.

POLITAN: Hey, Tonya.

ACKER: I don`t go to my doctor and say, "I want Propofol." It doesn`t happen.

POLITAN: Tonya, you mentioned the word "common sense." When it comes to verdicts in California, it doesn`t always work out that way.

ACKER: No kidding. And you`re right about that. I`ll tell you that.

POLITAN: Go ahead. Who`s up, Randy. Go ahead, Randy.

TARABORELLI: Listen, Vinny, I`ve seen this so many times in covering Michael Jackson for the last 30 years. People come into Michael`s experience with financial problems. They get paid a lot of money to do what they`re told to do, either by Michael or by people working for Michael.

And we know that Dr. Murray apparently was having some serious financial issues. His home was being foreclosed on. His businesses were in trouble. Michael was going to pay him 150,000 a month. You know this guy was trying to do...

POLITAN: There`s no greater motive than money. No greater motive than money in the criminal court. Now, what is this now we`re hearing about the Jackson 8? Journalist and Jackson expert Diane Dimond got her hands on a copy of a secret contract. Here`s what she told the CBS "Early Show" this morning.

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DIANE DIMOND, JOURNALIST: The Jackson family is juggling some offers. And one of them is from a place called All Good Entertainment. I have the contract with me here. And bottom line, it would give the family about $13 million collectively, if they would go on a tour, a ten-city tour of America. And then there`s an option to have some concerts in Europe.

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POLITAN: All right. Let`s break down the proposed pay scale here. Janet would walk away with $4 million; $1.5 million would go to Jermaine, Jackie, Randy, Marlon and Tito. The outspoken La Toya doesn`t even come close to seven figures with just half a million. And poor Rebbie, the oldest of all the Jackson children, gets only $250,000. Oh, my goodness.

EIGLARSH: Unfair.

POLITAN: Rebbie. "Centipede."

EIGLARSH: The least exposed Jackson. I`ve seen enough of Janet, too much of Janet. I don`t want to see any more of her.

TARABORELLI: I want to see Rebbie.

EIGLARSH: Rebbie we don`t see enough of.

POLITAN: Randy, do you think this will happen? Randy, do you think this will happen? Do you think this tour will happen?

TARABORELLI: I don`t think the tour will happen. I mean, this sounds like the kind of tours I`ve, you know, been writing about for many years that the family has tried to pull together. I`m sure that Diane has it right, that this is a proposal that`s on the table. But this kind of stuff never works out. And I can tell you.

POLITAN: Wasn`t the hold-up always Michael didn`t want to do it? But now, Janet will do it. Michael`s not there any more.

TARABORELLI: And Janet will never do this.

EIGLARSH: I think this explains, though, why they perhaps haven`t buried the body. Because it`s going to be the golden casket memorial tour. They`re going to be taking this body around while they...

POLITAN: Oh, no. Tonya -- Tonya.

EIGLARSH: Nothing -- nothing would surprise me anymore.

Doesn`t mean you`re promoting it, I`m sure.

POLITAN: Tonya, would you go to see Rebbie sing "Centipede" one more time?

ACKER: You know what? You know what? I`m going to go download some Rebbie on YouTube as soon as I get home. I miss Rebbie.

EIGLARSH: I love Rebbie.

ARCHER: I think Arnie Klein is going to be doing the back-up dancing and Debbie Rowe will be doing the vocals. So...

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BLOOM: Jacksons are hot, hot, hot now. They might as well strike while they`re hot.

POLITAN: I don`t know if they`re going to get -- if they`re going to get permission to use Michael Jackson`s likeness to promote this whole thing. That may be one hold up here.

BLOOM: Which likeness?

POLITAN: Because the Jacksons don`t control -- well, good question there, Lisa. But anyway, the estate controls it, which is not controlled by Marlon, Tito or Jermaine or Katherine or any of the Jacksons. So perhaps that will hold the whole thing up.

Thank you to our great panel tonight. Great job, folks.

Michael Phelps smashed up his SUV. And the first question we ask, is there alcohol involved? But why is that the first thing that comes to mind, especially when we`re dealing with a celebrity. We`ll take a look.

And a woman vanished while talking on her cell phone. Her boyfriend was on the other end of the phone, and he says he heard this horrific abduction. How do you go about finding the missing?

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POLITAN: In the "Spotlight" tonight, Kristi Cornwell, the 38-year-old woman, was abducted Tuesday as she went for a walk near her mother`s home. Cornwell was on the phone with her boyfriend at the time, and he heard the entire abduction. He says he heard her scream, "Don`t take me." And then the phone went dead.

Her friends and family are devastated and completely at a loss as to who may have snatched Kristi.

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RICHARD CORNWELL, MISSING WOMAN`S BROTHER: We really want her back, and we would appreciate it if they would have mercy on her and just understand that we need her back.

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POLITAN: Police say they found items belonging to Cornwell, but won`t go into specifics other than to indicate that there was, indeed, a struggle.

Authorities have two vague leads: a large white SUV and a gold compact car, which were both seen in the area. They`re also interviewing 150 sex offenders who live in the area. So where do authorities go from here and in a case like this?

Straight to Pat Brown, criminal profiler and CEO of Pat Brown Criminal Profiling agency.

Pat, from the moment authorities are made aware of an abduction like this, what are the first steps that they need to take?

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Well, Vinny, it`s a very difficult thing, because simply, she disappears. Boom, she`s gone. And by the time they get the phone call in, she`s somewhere in a vehicle going somewhere. And that is the big problem.

And usually who abduct someone don`t take them that far. So they move quite quickly. And they either, unfortunately, rape and kill them and throw their body out, or they go to a location where they can ditch their car in behind something, into a garage or something or behind a house, and then the police are running around, not knowing where to look.

POLITAN: And in cases like this, we often see different agencies getting involved, because the search is so intense. And it`s over such a wide area. How do the agencies coordinate the searches in cases like this, and who generally takes the lead?

BROWN: Well, that`s always a difficult problem. Because sometimes the agencies have a little bit of in-fighting going on, because everybody wants to be the one who is controlling things. Hopefully, if they have a task force, they put somebody in charge of it.

That person in charge of it makes those decisions. I don`t know what`s going on down there.

But one of the most important things in a case like this is that they get information out to the public as soon as possible. Because quite frankly, if it`s a stranger abduction, they have no idea who it is. And the only way they`re going to catch that person is to have something reported to them. In other words, something about a vehicle that is good enough to figure out which -- where the vehicle is, what vehicle it is, or get information out to the public that says, "We`re looking for these kind of people. Are you noticing anything weird? Did your cousin come home acting strange? Do you know anything?"

And they`re hoping that this will come in sometime before something happens to this women. But unfortunately, almost always, it`s usually too late.

POLITAN: You know, oddly, in the same area in which Meredith Emerson (ph) went missing early last year. This is the same area. And that`s her in a photo, from WSP-TV. Sadly, a week after searching for this young women, her killer came forward and led authorities to her body.

Now, is it typical for abductions to occur in hiking areas like this one where these women went -- went missing?

BROWN: Well, abductions occur any place a woman goes out by herself and puts herself in a situation where simply, somebody driving by can say, "What an opportunity."

And this woman went out walking at night. Why, I don`t know. She said that a week before, she had been frightened by a vehicle that had come too close to her, worried about that. And yet, she still went out the next week.

Now, I want to bring up something just kind of interesting. Because after we had the runaway bride situation, another problem that law enforcement has to deal with is proving that this really happened, that there isn`t something peculiar about this story.

So, this could have been planned for attention. So they have to look and find that there`s enough evidence that a true abduction actually occurred.

POLITAN: Pat, thank so much for joining us.

Michael Vick back in the NFL. This guy went from a prison inmate to a millionaire in less than three months. Does he deserve that chance?

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POLITAN: Federal prison to a multimillion-dollar contract, all in less than three months. Michael Vick is back in the NFL. But does this guy deserve a shot at redemption?

Jon and Kate plus police? Cops are called to the reality show home. RadarOnline says the couple was in a heated argument because of Jon`s relationship with the nanny. I don`t know about you but I can`t wait for this episode.

Michael Phelps is again making headlines for his behavior outside the pool. The swimming prodigy totaled his SUV last night in his hometown of Baltimore around 9:00 p.m.

Phelps collided with a woman in a Honda Accord. Police say she ran a red light. Phelps and the two friends he was with were not hurt. The other driver was shaken up and taken to the hospital as a precaution.

They say that alcohol was not a factor in the crash. Police interviewed Phelps and decided a field sobriety test was not necessary. Not necessary given his past DUI and that picture of him I remember smoking from a bong? You know people are going to be suspicious about all this? So why not just give him a breathalyzer and clear up any doubts here?

Let`s go to our expert panel: former prosecutor Wendy Murphy; clinical psychologist Brenda Wade; and criminal defense attorney, Mark Eiglarsh -- Eiglarsh, sorry Mark.

Wendy, do you think that police did their job here? It`s Michael Phelps; everybody knows the back story, right?

WENDY MURPHY FORMER PROSECUTOR: Yes. We have all heard and seen. This poor guy -- assuming he wasn`t under the influence of anything -- he just is not a guy running around with a bunch of good luck lately. Let`s put it that way.

But no, you can`t say to a cop, "Hey, you know, a couple years ago, he had a DUI and I saw a picture of him smoking pot." Therefore, every time you bump into the guy in a motor vehicle situation you should give him a breathalyzer. They know if a person is drunk enough to do a breathalyzer. They said no.

They clearly blamed the women in the Honda. And I`m sure She must have been drunk or at least on something. In a Honda, you`re going to run a stop light and bump into the behemoth Escalade he was driving? She should be checked, for sure.

POLITAN: All right. Mark Eiglarsh, how does that work. When there`s an accident, they are going to talk to Michael Phelps and they`re going to, you know, figure out if there`s any possibility that anyone at the scene, either driver was drinking, right?

MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Right. And that`s what they did here. I applaud the police officers. You don`t just do it because you know might get questioned later. They smelled, there`s no odor of an alcoholic beverage, no slurred speech, no flushed face, no blood-shot eyes.

And holy cow, I agree with Wendy Murphy, mark the day.

POLITAN: This is fantastic.

Brenda Wade...

MURPHY: Good for you.

POLITAN: ... for Michael Phelps, what`s this like, though? You know, because we hear about the accident and before we find out what exactly is going on, all of us are thinking, "I wonder if alcohol was involved."

BRENDA WADE, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Exactly. And it`s very difficult when someone has a DUI or has the background or back story that Mr. Phelps has.

Don`t forget, this is a kid who spent his entire life day in and day out training. He`s out there now, probably trying to have a little bit of fun. It doesn`t mean he`s a bad person. It does mean that he deserves the same chances as everybody else.

I have to agree with my other colleagues.

POLITAN: Everybody is agreeing tonight.

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EIGLARSH: Let me just say this...

POLITAN: Go ahead.

EIGLARSH: ... we shouldn`t feel guilty though when we hear the facts. Listen, I heard car accident and I go uh-oh.

We shouldn`t feel guilty. We`re easy to forgive but we don`t forget.

If you tell me like, Wynona Rider is in the news again, I say, "What did she steal and how many pills were in her purse." That might not be fair but that`s what we -- how we think.

WADE: On the other hand, maybe Michael Phelps got the message. How do we know he`s not in recovery? How do we know he isn`t working some program to make his life better? I certainly hope he is.

POLITAN: Yes, Brenda, one thing to ask you about Michael Phelps though, is that here`s a guy who`s so disciplined at his sport and it takes so much concentration and focus. And yet we see on his personal side, not quite as much discipline.

WADE: You know, that`s normal though. I think when someone spends so much time with the intense training that he`s done, there`s another side.

How old is he? He`s in his 20s. There`s another side that says, "Ok, I`ve had it. I just need to let loose. I need to get out of her." We see that with kids on spring break who`ve been studying all year. They go on spring break and go crazy. Why? Letting the pressure off. I bet he`s felt a lot of pressure.

MURPHY: Maybe we can just...

POLITAN: Go ahead, Wendy.

MURPHY: Maybe we can just agree that even though we would like to think our heroes don`t do bad things, they do. They are kind of just like us.

And good for the police. We may all be curious, voyeuristic good for the police they don`t indulge us all the time.

POLITAN: Well, this is great...

WADE: What makes people a hero is that they have flaws.

POLITAN: Everyone is agreeing right now.

Everybody stay there and keep this mood. We`re going to turn to another superstar athlete, Michael Vick.

Three months ago, he was an inmate at Leavenworth Federal Prison. Today, he has another multimillion dollar NFL contract. The Philadelphia Eagles are giving Vick the second chance he`s been desperate for.

ESPN has reported that he signed a one year deal worth $1.6 million with an option for a second year at $5.2 million. Not too bad for a guy who lost everything after his dog-fighting conviction two years ago. He served 18 months in prison and two months in home confinement.

Now, he`s right where he wants to be back in the league where he was once a hero. Listen.

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MICHAEL VICK, QUARTERBACK, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES: I think, you know, everybody deserves a second chance. You know, we all have issues; we all deal with certain things. We all have our own unique views in our life.

I think, as long as you are willing to come back and do it the right way and the right things and that you are committed. I think you deserve it. But you only get one shot at a second chance. And I`m conscious of that.

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POLITAN: Of course, not everyone thinks Vick deserves a second chance.

I want to get back to my expert panel to see if we all sort of agree here.

Mark, Vick served his time. Do you have a problem with him getting back in the NFL?

EIGLARSH: Yes at this time. I`ll tell you why.

POLITAN: You do.

EIGLARSH: I don`t -- let me tell you why, Vinnie? You`re asking a personal question. I`m somebody who fights for people to get second chances as a criminal defense attorney. Eventually, I do believe in his shot at redemption. I don`t believe anyone just gets a second chance just because; you get a shot at redemption to prove yourself.

But it seems like it`s a little too fresh. He was just hanging dogs, holding them under water until they died, electrocuting them with jumper cables. And now all of a sudden he`s on the playing field.

I just haven`t seen it yet. I`m not saying he can`t redeem himself. I`m just saying it`s a little too soon for me.

POLITAN: Wendy Murphy, how about this though? Whenever we are in a criminal court and someone has served their time and it`s time for the system release them back to society, we ask usually a couple things of them.

One, stay out of trouble; two, become a gainful member of society. Get out there and be employed.

Michael Vick is a football player. That`s what he does. He`s still only 29 years old. Doesn`t he deserve a chance to do what he`s trained his whole life to do and to do what he`s better at than 99.9999 percent of the population?

MURPHY: Look, this is an even stranger day than you might imagine. I think Eiglarsh is wrong and too harsh.

EIGLARSH: Holy cow. Wow.

MURPHY: Let me tell you why.

EIGLARSH: Tell me.

MURPHY: Even though when it comes to sex offenders and somebody says they paid their debt, let them be. I say just because they`d done their time doesn`t mean they are not dangerous.

I think it`s fair to say you can predict that Vick has done his time and he`s not going to be doing this to anymore doggies.

Let me be clear. Kobe Bryant did something much worse to a human being, not an animal and I don`t think he paid any debt to society. I know he wrote a check.

EIGLARSH: Well, there was no conviction there. Wendy -- Wendy...

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MURPHY: I don`t care. Let me make my point. I don`t care.

What he did was worse than this and he paid no debt to society because this criminal case took a dive. And I want to be clear here, if we can let Kobe Bryant remain a superstar, we can give Vick a second chance.

I`m not jumping on the PETA party until PETA, by the way, starts caring about violence on women and children. And that`s far...

POLITAN: I`m with you there Wendy. I`m with you 100 percent.

Vick has been trying to repair his reputation since he got out of prison. And I think we can all agree that`s a real tall order. But one of his carefully selected appearances will be on "60 minutes" this Sunday.

Here is a clip of his CBS interview with James Brown.

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JAMES BROWN, CBS SPORTS ANCHOR: What about the dogs?

VICK: It was wrong J.B. You know, I feel, you know, I feel, you know, tremendous hurt by what happened. I should have took the initiative to stop it all and I didn`t and didn`t step up. I wasn`t a leader.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

POLITAN: Now, there`s been a lot of talk over whether or not Vick is genuinely remorseful.

Brenda Wade, is there any way for us to tell?

WADE: You know, I have to say, I`m a huge believer in recovery, redemption, second chances. That`s what I do for a living.

In this case, I have to say, I would like to hear him -- each time I hear him speak, this is what I hear. I hear, "Gee, I should have stepped up. Gee, I deserve a second chance. Gee, I was hurt behind."

I have yet to hear him say, "Animals are beings with feelings too. And what I did was so wrong to hurt other creatures. I`m going to pay back in some way so other people learn from my example not to do this." I would love to know that he`s in therapy.

MURPHY: He has been doing that.

WADE: Hold on a minute. There`s something here that bothers me about all this. This is the key, as far as I am concerned. When he can say, there`s a reason I took out so much anger on innocent animals, I`ll feel more convinced. I don`t see him taking full responsibility.

EIGLARSH: He`s going to. He`s going to, give him time. You see, that`s my concern. I need time. This is a process.

POLITAN: You need a time out. That`s what you need Mark you need a time out.

EIGLARSH: A little bit sure I do.

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MURPHY: Look he can do two things at the same time. He`s already been giving back to society. He`s already been working to raise awareness around this problem. Why can`t he be a football player and continue to do that?

(CROSS TALK)

WADE: I would love to see him do both of those Wendy. Yes, yes.

MURPHY: Because he`s a famous football player doing good for society on behalf of animals. Let him do both.

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POLITAN: All right a big thank you to all of that. It was really a bizarre day. Everyone is like -- I don`t know who`s who anymore. Thanks folks.

Now, Nick Hogan wants a second chance. Two years after his reckless driving paralyzed his friend. This kid is finally showing some remorse. I just hope this isn`t some attempt to get a reality show.

And speaking of reality shows, "Jon & Kate plus 8" had a cameo appearance from the cops last night. So why were the police called to their house?

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POLITAN: TV mom, Kate Gosselin gets a harsh reality when she shows up at her house last without calling Jon ahead of time.

But first "Top of the Block" tonight: redemption for Nick Hogan, it`s been almost two years since Hulk Hogan`s son, real name Nick Bollea smashed his car into a tree; a reckless crash that sent his friend to the hospital with critical injuries.

Well, since I believe in second chances, let`s be fair and give him one. Take a listen.

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NICK BOLLEA, HULK HOGAN`S SON: Something that I would want people to know now is that, you know, I`m very sorry about my accident that happened. And I pray every day for, you know, everyone who was involved in the situation. I`ve moved on in a positive way with Kiya (ph). I am trying to do everything that I can to give back to the community that I took so much away from.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

POLITAN: All right, so he`s moved on. A far cry, though, from the Nick we remember while he was in jail. Perhaps someone should have told him back then that bad mouthing a friend you nearly turned into a vegetable not the best way to get into the public`s good graces.

Let`s take a listen to that 2008 jail conversation.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HULK HOGAN, WRESTLER: : For some reason God laid some heavy (BLEEP) on that kid. I don`t know what he was into...

BOLLEA: John was a negative person.

HOGAN: He was what?

BOLLEA: He was a negative person.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

POLITAN: Certainly some harsh words from Nick and his dad. We can only hope that Nick is really serious about teaching kids the dangers of acting stupid behind a wheel. It`s never too late to start over.

And that`s tonight`s "Top of the Block."

Turning now to another reality show in turmoil: "Jon and Kate Gosselin, the separated stars of "Jon & Kate plus 8" were seen fighting outside their Pennsylvania home. Reports say Kate showed up unannounced during Jon`s scheduled time with the kids.

TMZ is reporting the heated fight started when Jon wouldn`t let Kate in the house. So she called the cops. No arrests were made. But Kate left and checked into a local Days Inn. But how is all of this affecting the kids?

Kate got emotional when she spoke to "The Today Show" on Monday about talking to the kids. Listen.

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KATE GOSSELIN, "JON & KATE PLUS 8": Sorry...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s ok.

GOSSELIN: I don`t want to upset them. While I`ve been very real and as honest as I need to be, I don`t want to shock them. I`ve walked slowly through this with them.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

POLITAN: So, could Jon and Kate`s open aggression be detrimental to the eight kids and the show? Well it seems America is turning off the Gosselins. The show has lost seven million viewers since they announced their split in June.

Meanwhile, why did Kate want to drop by during Jon`s time with the kids? She didn`t like Jon`s choice of babysitter; 23 year old aspiring model Stephanie Santoro.

Rumors have swirled about Jon`s allege string of girlfriends from the "Star" magazine reporter to the 22-year-old daughter of Kate`s plastic surgeon. Just who is he dating?

Straight to my panel: Wendy Murphy, former prosecutor and author "And Justice for Some;" Brenda Wade, clinical psychologist; and Kim Serafin, senior editor "In Touch Weekly."

Kim, let`s start with you. What exactly happened last night at the Gosselin home?

KIM SERAFIN, SENIOR EDITOR, "IN TOUCH WEEKLY": Yes. As you mentioned, Kate did show up unannounced. Reportedly, she knew that Jon -- she was checking up on him with the babysitter. Didn`t know what babysitter this was.

Now, Jon did speak to TMZ. He said Kate didn`t approve of this babysitter.

POLITAN: Why, why? Why wouldn`t she approve?

SERAFIN: Well, there are reports that he perhaps has spent the night with this babysitter. Now Jon did an exclusive interview with "In Touch" where he`s said he has always been true to Haleigh, he loves Haleigh; that is the 22-year-old daughter of the plastic surgeon that you mentioned.

POLITAN: Right.

SERAFIN: But you know -- look, they are clearly handling the divorce in different ways. Kate, as you showed is very upset, she`s been weepy in all of these interviews that she`s doing and very upset.

Jon, of course, is out there, he`s apparently going to be hosting a party in Las Vegas. He`s been seen with several women. He has been -- again, he did tell "In Touch" that he has be true to Haleigh -- but he has been dating Haleigh for quite a long time.

So they seemed to be kind of taking different paths in the divorce.

POLITAN: All right. Brenda Wade, let`s bring you on in this. What do you think is going on in Kate`s mind, in her world, showing up at the house, unannounced?

BRENDA WADE, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: You know it`s clear, when people go through a divorce, it`s like a death. You go through all the same emotions, there`s denial, there is bargaining, there is anger, there is sadness.

And I always say to people, if you can remember that it`s like a death and each person goes through those stages in different ways.

Now I would say Jon is clearly in the "I`m in denial, I don`t want to feel any feelings, I don`t want to process anything. Just bring on the party, bring on the fun, bring on the women. I`m out of here."

While Kate is still struggling with her feelings, very typical split by the way for the genders. But one of the keys is what is happening to these children.

POLITAN: Yes.

WADE: Divorce is traumatic for children; I don`t care how you split it. Their world has come apart and while the parents are struggling, they actually need to be in co-parenting counseling so they can calm down all the drama. Focus on co-parenting those children in an effective way. And no, probably, a 23-year-old model that dad might be sleeping with is not the best babysitter.

POLITAN: Really?

You know Wendy Murphy, when it`s time to interview potential babysitters and caregivers for children, isn`t that one of the questions. You know, do you have any modeling experience? Do you have any modeling experience? Have you acted? Can I see your portfolio? Can I see your Web site?

MURPHY: That may be among Jon`s criteria, and look, if I were the mother of those kids knowing that that guy was in the room and the walls were shaking right down the road while the show was still on and I don`t think the kids knew mommy and daddy were breaking up, I`d worry, too, that he`s got yet another young something or other in the house.

I don`t even get the appeal of this guy. He`s kind of a chubby, lazy yuck. And yet he`s got these young women falling...

POLITAN: He`s got those cool T-shirts, Wendy. The cool T-shirts; chicks love those.

MURPHY: Please, he`s got these young women fawning all over him. You know, he`s acting, in my opinion, like an adolescent who just discovered his private parts. He should be ashamed of himself.

POLITAN: Everyone stay there. We`re going to have more on the Jon and Kate drama right after this break.

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KATE GOSSELIN, "JON & KATE PLUS 8": It was weird to pack alone. It was weird to board the bus. It was minus Jon any way you looked at it.

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POLITAN: That was Kate Gosselin on "Jon & Kate plus 8" talking about the reality of life without husband Jon.

Kate`s brother has been outspoken about that fact that he thinks the eight kids are being exploited. Kate countered that he`s getting paid to speak out.

Wendy Murphy, is there anyone looking out for these kids?

MURPHY: If there is that person is not on camera because I haven`t found them. And, you know, look, parents do have these kinds of things happen all of the time, and I know why we want to watch. It`s like a soap opera only so much worse because it`s not acting...

WADE: It`s a train wreck.

MURPHY: It is and it`s children who can`t possibly get out of the camera`s view. That seems to me, the most grotesque form of abuse. I don`t know why a court of law isn`t stepping in and saying, "Jon and Kate beat the hell out of each other for all we care, but let the kids alone, please."

POLITAN: But Wendy, you know, Jon and Kate`s children are staying in this $1.1 million home and while Jon and Kate take turns living with them, they`re still filming this and Kate addressed this on "The Today Show" on Monday.

Take a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) GOSSELIN: It`s a very unique job. It`s taught us many things. It`s given our kids many opportunities they not would otherwise had.

They each have a substantial college fund. They will all go to college. I have made sure of that.

So I don`t live my life in regret. I typically tend to look forward, not backward and I still feel like this a good thing. It`s healthy and the kids would agree.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

POLITAN: So there you have it, really.

It`s for the kids. Go ahead, Brenda.

WADE: At the end of day, Vinnie, not everyone or I should say, most people don`t know how to put a marriage together, hold it together especially with the spotlights and all of that.

By the way, I had ten free tips at loveandmoneysummit.com on how to keep your marriage stronger so you don`t end up like Jon and Kate, but at the end of day...

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WADE: Well, that`s not a bad tip, but the kids need help and she`s glossing over the fact that those children are going through something that`s extremely difficult.

POLITAN: Kim, you know what really interests me is...

MURPHY: It`s only about money.

Can I just say something?

She basically said it`s all about money; we have a fund here and a fund there. It`s all about money. No. The kids don`t care about money. They care about love.

POLITAN: But it`s hard when you have eight children. There is a monetary aspect for raising eight kids.

MURPHY: I don`t care. She can sell her kidneys too, but should she because it will get her some more money?

POLITAN: All right Kim. We talked a little bit about Jon before. And he`s an interesting character, this Jon, because he`s going out with this young woman. He`s really not that old; I think we all think he`s older than he really is. He`s only 32, right?

SERAFIN: Right. And he got married when he was 22. He had said this before -- he said this in this interview he did with "In Touch." He spent his 20s raising kid. They had twins right after they got married and then they had these six kids. He really is a pretty young guy so in a way, he kind lost his 20s, and I think you`re right.

POLITAN: I would almost feel...

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POLITAN: Wait, wait, wait. Time out, ladies.

I almost feel sorry for him when he brought eight children into the world. He brought eight children into the world and that`s one of the sacrifices you have to make.

WADE: It`s about being responsible.

(CROSS TALK)

SERAFIN: Can I just say something though. Kate also did say that this would have happened whether the cameras were on or off. And I think you see that even if you watched the show and even if you were a fan of the show...

POLITAN: You would see it.

(CROSS TALK)

POLITAN: Thanks so much to my fabulous panel for joining me tonight.

I`m Vinnie Politan filling in for Jane Velez-Mitchell.

See you next time.




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VINNY POLITAN, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, a secret stash of Propofol found in Michael`s home. According to TMZ, cops uncovered three large bottles and five vials of the anesthesia inside a closet in Dr. Conrad Murray`s room. According to doctors, this much anesthesia would only last for eight hours. So if Murray was putting Jackson asleep every night, where was he hiding the rest of the drugs?

And a woman abducted while walking in the woods. And her boyfriend says heard the whole thing on his cell phone. The couple was talking on the phone when the cars pulls up beside her, and he heard her scream, "Don`t take me." Now, cops are desperately searching for any sign of this woman.

Also, from federal prison to a multimillion-dollar contract. Michael Vick is back in the NFL. But does this guy deserve a spot at redemption?

Plus, Michael Phelps smashes up his SUV in a three-car accident. The Olympic swimmer was not hurt, and ops insist there was no alcohol involved. But why is drunk-driving the first thing we think of when we hear athletes wrecking their cars?

And Jon and Kate plus police? Cops were called to the reality show home. Radar Online says the couple was in a heated argument because of Jon`s relationship with the nanny. I don`t know about you, but I can`t wait for this episode.

ISSUES starts now.

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POLITAN: Tonight, more ties that bind Michael Jackson`s death, his doctor, and a possibly lethal dose of a surgical knock-out drug. Law enforcement sources telling TMZ that Jackson`s personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, had Propofol stashed in a closet at the mansion.

Moreover, TMZ says there are signs he had a steady stream of the stuff coming via FedEx and stowed somewhere else. Three large bottles and five smaller bottles of Propofol were found in the closet attached to Dr. Murray`s bedroom, the room where Jackson was given Propofol the day he died, says TMZ.

By the way, according to the pros, three bottles and five vials is only enough for one eight-hour dose. If he was getting the drug night after night, it might explain what nurse Cherilyn Lee told Nancy Grace last month.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

CHERILYN LEE, SAYS SHE TREATED MICHAEL JACKSON: He wanted this Diprivan and was emphatic about wanting to have it. When it came to several things, even nutritional supplements, he always wanted to have a large quantity, and he wanted a large quantity at his house. He said, you know, "The way the economy is going and things are happening, I want to make sure I have everything at my disposal."

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POLITAN: Meantime, it appears that the feds and local police knew just what they were hunting for at Tuesday`s raid at that pharmacy in Vegas. The search warrant affidavit shows, quote, a sample of bottles, vials of Propofol, manufactured by Teva Inc. and Hospira Inc. and records relating to purchase and delivery of Propofol to Dr. Conrad Murray.

While cops keep the coroner`s cause of death report under wraps, La Toya Jackson, who hasn`t been shy about her theory, spoke out yesterday to NBC News.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LA TOYA JACKSON, SISTER OF MICHAEL: And still sort of like trying to really find out what exactly happened to my brother. That`s the most important thing for me right now.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

POLITAN: Possible tour of the Jackson 8. What?

Straight to my panel. Let`s figure this all out. Mark Eiglarsh, criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor. We`ve also got Lisa Bloom, CNN legal analyst; Dr. Dale Archer, clinical psychiatrist; Tonya Acker, attorney and blogger for the "Huffington Post"; J. Randy Taraborelli, author of "Michael Jackson: The Magic, The Madness, The Whole Story"; and Mike Walters, assignment manager for TMZ.

Mike, let`s start with you. What do you have for us on this doctor- patient Propofol connection?

MIKE WALTERS, ASSIGNMENT MANAGER, TMZ: Well, like you said before, what we can tell you is they found three large bottles, which they come in 100-millimeter size, and five smaller ones.

Now, the weird thing is, it was a stash. It was in his house. It was in a closet. The problem is, is that this amount of Propofol would only last about eight hours, so in other words, one night of full sleep, unless he was only taking it for a certain amount of time.

The interesting part, though, with the FedEx is that this is the last search warrant we just got. The last search warrant we just got has FedEx on it. And all of them, they`re looking for FedEx numbers. And it`s the same lady, Stacey Howe. And they specifically say delivery and storage of Propofol connected to Dr. Conrad Murray.

So I think they`re trying to set up, and as we can see the paperwork, is Conrad Murray had to have been getting it some other way from some other place, either storage or FedExing it in constantly. Because all they found was one night`s worth of this stuff in the house. So I think we`re sort of starting to see it zero in on what exactly happened and how it was getting to him.

POLITAN: Absolutely. Lisa Bloom, this -- you know, three bottles and five vials, that`s just good for one eight-hour night. If he`s doing this night after night after night, I can see why all these search warrants looking in warehouses and looking for these records. I mean, the paper trail could do in the doctor here.

LISA BLOOM, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Well, exactly, Vinny. I think you really put your finger on it. That`s why the police are searching the Las Vegas home and clinic of Dr. Murray. That`s why they went down to Houston to search this clinic. That`s why they searched the pharmacy in Las Vegas. They`re trying to make the connection.

But it does seem clear that Dr. Murray, regardless of how much was on hand at Michael Jackson`s house, was getting Propofol night after night after night. You know, doctors are not supposed to be just drug dealers in lab coats. He was getting the stuff for Michael Jackson to help him sleep night after night after night, allegedly. I mean, that`s really sick stuff.

And that puts him in hot water legally, because this wasn`t just one occasion that went wrong, apparently. This was a course of conduct that he was engaging in that was highly reckless and highly dangerous. I think that`s what law enforcement is trying to show.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: J. Randy Taraborelli, I`ve got to ask you. Let`s get the whole story here on Michael Jackson and his apparent addiction to getting knocked out at night.

When all this stuff is now being uncovered, does any of this surprise you in your research and your time of speaking with Michael Jackson and researching and writing about this man?

J. RANDY TARABORELLI, AUTHOR, "MICHAEL JACKSON": Well, you know, I first heard about the Propofol about a year ago when I was working on a story about Michael Jackson turning 50. And I have to tell you, Vinny, at that time, I just didn`t believe it was true. It just seemed to me to be such an extreme way, you know, to get sleep.

But I have to tell you also that I know Michael Jackson. I knew Michael Jackson very well. And he had serious sleep issues for about the last 25 years.

POLITAN: Now when you say sleep issues, are any of these sleep issues somehow related to other issues that he might have with other substances?

TARABORELLI: Well, you know, it`s hard to say. I mean, I`m not -- you know, obviously, not being a doctor, it`s difficult for me to pinpoint that. But I can tell you that, as far back as 1980, I remember Michael telling me that he could not sleep. And he was especially -- it was especially difficult for him to sleep when he was under a lot of pressure, when he was working or performing or rehearsing. And of course, we know that he was rehearsing for his major comeback tour during the time that he was receiving Propofol, allegedly, from his doctor.

POLITAN: All right, so you`re talking about a stressful situation. Let`s bring in Dr. Dale Archer. OK. Now, yes, the client is demanding all this. But for Michael Jackson to have these problems with sleep, what could cause these extreme sleeping problems? You would figure the guy would be exhausted after all these workouts and all this touring and going up there, performing on the stage and giving it everything he`s got. Wouldn`t he collapse once he got home?

DR. DALE ARCHER, CLINICAL PSYCHIATRIST: Not necessarily. We know that he had been diagnosed with depressing, panic attacks, anorexia. And we know that he was an addict. So the problem is, he started treating the sleep, and he used drugs that are addicting. But you have to be very cautious when you prescribe them. And he kept taking more and more and more.

So your tolerance keeps going up, up, up. And what happens is you have to take greater and greater doses to get the same effect. Eventually, this leads to traditional drugs don`t work, and then you go to an IV drug like Propofol, because it`s the strongest thing out there.

So I think that the doctors all along the way have some responsibility to say, "Hey, wait a minute. He is taking more than he should. And we`ve got to keep an eye on this."

And Dr. Murray has got to be right in there. He was his personal physician. So he should have known what drugs Michael was on, and he should have been the first one to step in and say, "Hey, we`ve got a problem. We`ve got to address this."

POLITAN: Who`s responsible here? Is it Michael Jackson being irresponsible for his own well being and misleading all these doctors and doctor shopping and telling one doctor one story, another doctor another story? Or is it really in the hands of the doctors here? What do you think?

TONYA ACKER, ATTORNEY: I think there`s plenty of shared responsibility. I mean, certainly, Michael Jackson has to own up -- well, can`t own up to anything now, obviously. But there certainly is a certain degree of personal responsibility that should be attributed to him for indulging in this behavior.

But addiction is a medical condition. It`s a serious medical condition. And these medical professionals have a responsibility to do their due diligence. You don`t simply give an addict more medicine because he said that he needs it. I mean, the doctors have a real responsibility. So I think there`s plenty of shared blame to go around.

ARCHER: And I think his personal doctor, Dr. Murray, has got to take the ultimate responsibility, because he was in charge of all of his medical care.

POLITAN: Mark Eiglarsh, let`s bring Mark in here. Mark, as a criminal defense attorney, are you concerned at all about perhaps, if in fact, this doctor is ordering all this Propofol to different places and from different sources? Does he have a legal problem?

MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Without question. What bothers me the most is for the doctor to come out and say this week that, "Look, I didn`t know Michael Jackson had this problem." I mean, No. 1, it`s incumbent upon the doctor to inquire. When my clients come into the office...

TARABORELLI: What if he lies?

EIGLARSH: Sure, he can lie. But so can my clients. I still want to know, listen, do you have a record dating back to the disco crisis? That will affect how I treat them, how I will fulfill their expectations. Similarly, doctors need to inquire and find out. Apparently, he didn`t. All you had to do was Google Michael Jackson, and you can know about it.

BLOOM: Absolutely. All you have to do is look at Michael Jackson.

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POLITAN: Much, much more on these drug reports in a minute.

Then, a woman is abducted, and her boyfriend hears it all go down on the phone. We`ll analyze this terrifying story.

But first, once again, suspicion swirls around Michael Jackson`s doctor, Conrad Murray. Here`s Jackson`s father, raising his own questions with Larry King.

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JOE JACKSON, MICHAEL`S FATHER: I understand that he left or went to sleep or something. I don`t know what happened next. He tried to bring Michael...

LARRY KING, HOST, "LARRY KING LIVE": Are you implying then that the doctor committed foul play?

J. JACKSON: Something went wrong. Something went wrong, Larry. Because when they tried to bring Michael back, he was dead.

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JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: I think it does matter. Propofol, itself, doesn`t usually kill people. It`s an odd circumstance here, but the fact is, it`s a legal drug. A doctor was administering it. Jackson had a bad reaction to it, but that doesn`t necessarily make Murray guilty of a crime.

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Let me say one thing, first of all, about Propofol as a drug. It`s not necessarily just a side effect that would kill somebody. This is a medication that can essentially put you to sleep so hard, so powerful sleep, that you`re unable to breathe on your own.

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POLITAN: An interesting debate brewing over whether Dr. Murray and whether or not he has a plausible defense here. The lawyers, a lot of them seem to say yes. The physicians, not necessarily on the same page.

Back with my panel. And you know what? Looking at this as a former prosecutor, it`s not a clear-cut case of causation, if in fact, manslaughter charges are every brought against this doctor.

But Dr. Dale Archer, seems a lot of doctors like you are all saying, "You know what? This guy -- this guy is guilty. This guy did something that no doctor should ever do, and he should be culpable for a crime here, perhaps.

ARCHER: Absolutely. He`s guilty of malpractice, no doubt about it. Because you have what`s called a standard of care.

POLITAN: Right. Malpractice is one thing when you`re talking about money and civil -- and civil damages here. But how about a crime and locking someone up and taking away their freedom? Is there enough here?

ARCHER: Yes, well, I think that he violated the standard of care. And I think that he violated it to such an extent, where any doctor who looks at this would say you have to be an anesthesiologist, and you have to give this in an operating room, because you have to have machines there to breathe for the patient, to ventilate the patient.

POLITAN: You know what? You know what, Dr. Dale Archer? They`re going to find a doctor. Mark Eiglarsh, won`t his defense attorney find a doctor who will come in and say, "Hey, what he did wasn`t that bad"?

EIGLARSH: There are doctors -- there are doctors who say that. They`re there to buy.

But let me just say this. The issue is going to be what killed him. We don`t have the money shot, yet. So at best, we have gross malpractice. You`re not supposed to do this at home. It`s just not proper what he did. But what killed him? If it`s shown that that`s not what caused his death.

BLOOM: Vinny, it`s much worse than that.

POLITAN: How much worse is it, Lisa? How much worse?

BLOOM: It`s worse than that. Let`s look at this from the prosecutor`s point of view. First of all, this was a secret activity going on upstairs. The cook was not allowed to come upstairs. Who brought Michael Jackson`s breakfast tray up, according to the cook? The doctor.

POLITAN: That`s because...

BLOOM: Why? Because this was a secret activity going on upstairs. This doctor, Dr. Murray, if he did this night after night, he knew that what he was doing was dangerous. And that`s why he covered it up. He knew it should only be done in the hospital with all of the proper safeguards. And that`s why he covered it up.

He participated with Michael Jackson, who yes, is partly responsible, but he`s gone now.

TARABORELLI: There`s another issue, though.

BLOOM: There`s an ethical responsibility, and he lost his coral compass. And why? Because he was working for a big celebrity. He`s getting 150 grand a month.

TARABORELLI: That`s it.

BLOOM: And so he did whatever he was asked.

TARABORELLI: It`s all about the money.

ACKER: And there is a standard of recklessness that is completely tied. And you know what? We don`t know what caused it. The coroner hasn`t released the report. And I think that there are legal reasons for that. They want to make sure of it.

People aren`t able to get their stories straight. But let`s just exercise a little bit of common sense. A lot of people around the country have a hard time sleeping. I`m one of them. But for instance, if I go to my doctor, I have to tell her why I want Ambien 10 as opposed to 5.

POLITAN: Hey, Tonya.

ACKER: I don`t go to my doctor and say, "I want Propofol." It doesn`t happen.

POLITAN: Tonya, you mentioned the word "common sense." When it comes to verdicts in California, it doesn`t always work out that way.

ACKER: No kidding. And you`re right about that. I`ll tell you that.

POLITAN: Go ahead. Who`s up, Randy. Go ahead, Randy.

TARABORELLI: Listen, Vinny, I`ve seen this so many times in covering Michael Jackson for the last 30 years. People come into Michael`s experience with financial problems. They get paid a lot of money to do what they`re told to do, either by Michael or by people working for Michael.

And we know that Dr. Murray apparently was having some serious financial issues. His home was being foreclosed on. His businesses were in trouble. Michael was going to pay him 150,000 a month. You know this guy was trying to do...

POLITAN: There`s no greater motive than money. No greater motive than money in the criminal court. Now, what is this now we`re hearing about the Jackson 8? Journalist and Jackson expert Diane Dimond got her hands on a copy of a secret contract. Here`s what she told the CBS "Early Show" this morning.

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DIANE DIMOND, JOURNALIST: The Jackson family is juggling some offers. And one of them is from a place called All Good Entertainment. I have the contract with me here. And bottom line, it would give the family about $13 million collectively, if they would go on a tour, a ten-city tour of America. And then there`s an option to have some concerts in Europe.

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POLITAN: All right. Let`s break down the proposed pay scale here. Janet would walk away with $4 million; $1.5 million would go to Jermaine, Jackie, Randy, Marlon and Tito. The outspoken La Toya doesn`t even come close to seven figures with just half a million. And poor Rebbie, the oldest of all the Jackson children, gets only $250,000. Oh, my goodness.

EIGLARSH: Unfair.

POLITAN: Rebbie. "Centipede."

EIGLARSH: The least exposed Jackson. I`ve seen enough of Janet, too much of Janet. I don`t want to see any more of her.

TARABORELLI: I want to see Rebbie.

EIGLARSH: Rebbie we don`t see enough of.

POLITAN: Randy, do you think this will happen? Randy, do you think this will happen? Do you think this tour will happen?

TARABORELLI: I don`t think the tour will happen. I mean, this sounds like the kind of tours I`ve, you know, been writing about for many years that the family has tried to pull together. I`m sure that Diane has it right, that this is a proposal that`s on the table. But this kind of stuff never works out. And I can tell you.

POLITAN: Wasn`t the hold-up always Michael didn`t want to do it? But now, Janet will do it. Michael`s not there any more.

TARABORELLI: And Janet will never do this.

EIGLARSH: I think this explains, though, why they perhaps haven`t buried the body. Because it`s going to be the golden casket memorial tour. They`re going to be taking this body around while they...

POLITAN: Oh, no. Tonya -- Tonya.

EIGLARSH: Nothing -- nothing would surprise me anymore.

Doesn`t mean you`re promoting it, I`m sure.

POLITAN: Tonya, would you go to see Rebbie sing "Centipede" one more time?

ACKER: You know what? You know what? I`m going to go download some Rebbie on YouTube as soon as I get home. I miss Rebbie.

EIGLARSH: I love Rebbie.

ARCHER: I think Arnie Klein is going to be doing the back-up dancing and Debbie Rowe will be doing the vocals. So...

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BLOOM: Jacksons are hot, hot, hot now. They might as well strike while they`re hot.

POLITAN: I don`t know if they`re going to get -- if they`re going to get permission to use Michael Jackson`s likeness to promote this whole thing. That may be one hold up here.

BLOOM: Which likeness?

POLITAN: Because the Jacksons don`t control -- well, good question there, Lisa. But anyway, the estate controls it, which is not controlled by Marlon, Tito or Jermaine or Katherine or any of the Jacksons. So perhaps that will hold the whole thing up.

Thank you to our great panel tonight. Great job, folks.

Michael Phelps smashed up his SUV. And the first question we ask, is there alcohol involved? But why is that the first thing that comes to mind, especially when we`re dealing with a celebrity. We`ll take a look.

And a woman vanished while talking on her cell phone. Her boyfriend was on the other end of the phone, and he says he heard this horrific abduction. How do you go about finding the missing?

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POLITAN: In the "Spotlight" tonight, Kristi Cornwell, the 38-year-old woman, was abducted Tuesday as she went for a walk near her mother`s home. Cornwell was on the phone with her boyfriend at the time, and he heard the entire abduction. He says he heard her scream, "Don`t take me." And then the phone went dead.

Her friends and family are devastated and completely at a loss as to who may have snatched Kristi.

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RICHARD CORNWELL, MISSING WOMAN`S BROTHER: We really want her back, and we would appreciate it if they would have mercy on her and just understand that we need her back.

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POLITAN: Police say they found items belonging to Cornwell, but won`t go into specifics other than to indicate that there was, indeed, a struggle.

Authorities have two vague leads: a large white SUV and a gold compact car, which were both seen in the area. They`re also interviewing 150 sex offenders who live in the area. So where do authorities go from here and in a case like this?

Straight to Pat Brown, criminal profiler and CEO of Pat Brown Criminal Profiling agency.

Pat, from the moment authorities are made aware of an abduction like this, what are the first steps that they need to take?

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Well, Vinny, it`s a very difficult thing, because simply, she disappears. Boom, she`s gone. And by the time they get the phone call in, she`s somewhere in a vehicle going somewhere. And that is the big problem.

And usually who abduct someone don`t take them that far. So they move quite quickly. And they either, unfortunately, rape and kill them and throw their body out, or they go to a location where they can ditch their car in behind something, into a garage or something or behind a house, and then the police are running around, not knowing where to look.

POLITAN: And in cases like this, we often see different agencies getting involved, because the search is so intense. And it`s over such a wide area. How do the agencies coordinate the searches in cases like this, and who generally takes the lead?

BROWN: Well, that`s always a difficult problem. Because sometimes the agencies have a little bit of in-fighting going on, because everybody wants to be the one who is controlling things. Hopefully, if they have a task force, they put somebody in charge of it.

That person in charge of it makes those decisions. I don`t know what`s going on down there.

But one of the most important things in a case like this is that they get information out to the public as soon as possible. Because quite frankly, if it`s a stranger abduction, they have no idea who it is. And the only way they`re going to catch that person is to have something reported to them. In other words, something about a vehicle that is good enough to figure out which -- where the vehicle is, what vehicle it is, or get information out to the public that says, "We`re looking for these kind of people. Are you noticing anything weird? Did your cousin come home acting strange? Do you know anything?"

And they`re hoping that this will come in sometime before something happens to this women. But unfortunately, almost always, it`s usually too late.

POLITAN: You know, oddly, in the same area in which Meredith Emerson (ph) went missing early last year. This is the same area. And that`s her in a photo, from WSP-TV. Sadly, a week after searching for this young women, her killer came forward and led authorities to her body.

Now, is it typical for abductions to occur in hiking areas like this one where these women went -- went missing?

BROWN: Well, abductions occur any place a woman goes out by herself and puts herself in a situation where simply, somebody driving by can say, "What an opportunity."

And this woman went out walking at night. Why, I don`t know. She said that a week before, she had been frightened by a vehicle that had come too close to her, worried about that. And yet, she still went out the next week.

Now, I want to bring up something just kind of interesting. Because after we had the runaway bride situation, another problem that law enforcement has to deal with is proving that this really happened, that there isn`t something peculiar about this story.

So, this could have been planned for attention. So they have to look and find that there`s enough evidence that a true abduction actually occurred.

POLITAN: Pat, thank so much for joining us.

Michael Vick back in the NFL. This guy went from a prison inmate to a millionaire in less than three months. Does he deserve that chance?

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POLITAN: Federal prison to a multimillion-dollar contract, all in less than three months. Michael Vick is back in the NFL. But does this guy deserve a shot at redemption?

Jon and Kate plus police? Cops are called to the reality show home. RadarOnline says the couple was in a heated argument because of Jon`s relationship with the nanny. I don`t know about you but I can`t wait for this episode.

Michael Phelps is again making headlines for his behavior outside the pool. The swimming prodigy totaled his SUV last night in his hometown of Baltimore around 9:00 p.m.

Phelps collided with a woman in a Honda Accord. Police say she ran a red light. Phelps and the two friends he was with were not hurt. The other driver was shaken up and taken to the hospital as a precaution.

They say that alcohol was not a factor in the crash. Police interviewed Phelps and decided a field sobriety test was not necessary. Not necessary given his past DUI and that picture of him I remember smoking from a bong? You know people are going to be suspicious about all this? So why not just give him a breathalyzer and clear up any doubts here?

Let`s go to our expert panel: former prosecutor Wendy Murphy; clinical psychologist Brenda Wade; and criminal defense attorney, Mark Eiglarsh -- Eiglarsh, sorry Mark.

Wendy, do you think that police did their job here? It`s Michael Phelps; everybody knows the back story, right?

WENDY MURPHY FORMER PROSECUTOR: Yes. We have all heard and seen. This poor guy -- assuming he wasn`t under the influence of anything -- he just is not a guy running around with a bunch of good luck lately. Let`s put it that way.

But no, you can`t say to a cop, "Hey, you know, a couple years ago, he had a DUI and I saw a picture of him smoking pot." Therefore, every time you bump into the guy in a motor vehicle situation you should give him a breathalyzer. They know if a person is drunk enough to do a breathalyzer. They said no.

They clearly blamed the women in the Honda. And I`m sure She must have been drunk or at least on something. In a Honda, you`re going to run a stop light and bump into the behemoth Escalade he was driving? She should be checked, for sure.

POLITAN: All right. Mark Eiglarsh, how does that work. When there`s an accident, they are going to talk to Michael Phelps and they`re going to, you know, figure out if there`s any possibility that anyone at the scene, either driver was drinking, right?

MARK EIGLARSH, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Right. And that`s what they did here. I applaud the police officers. You don`t just do it because you know might get questioned later. They smelled, there`s no odor of an alcoholic beverage, no slurred speech, no flushed face, no blood-shot eyes.

And holy cow, I agree with Wendy Murphy, mark the day.

POLITAN: This is fantastic.

Brenda Wade...

MURPHY: Good for you.

POLITAN: ... for Michael Phelps, what`s this like, though? You know, because we hear about the accident and before we find out what exactly is going on, all of us are thinking, "I wonder if alcohol was involved."

BRENDA WADE, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Exactly. And it`s very difficult when someone has a DUI or has the background or back story that Mr. Phelps has.

Don`t forget, this is a kid who spent his entire life day in and day out training. He`s out there now, probably trying to have a little bit of fun. It doesn`t mean he`s a bad person. It does mean that he deserves the same chances as everybody else.

I have to agree with my other colleagues.

POLITAN: Everybody is agreeing tonight.

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EIGLARSH: Let me just say this...

POLITAN: Go ahead.

EIGLARSH: ... we shouldn`t feel guilty though when we hear the facts. Listen, I heard car accident and I go uh-oh.

We shouldn`t feel guilty. We`re easy to forgive but we don`t forget.

If you tell me like, Wynona Rider is in the news again, I say, "What did she steal and how many pills were in her purse." That might not be fair but that`s what we -- how we think.

WADE: On the other hand, maybe Michael Phelps got the message. How do we know he`s not in recovery? How do we know he isn`t working some program to make his life better? I certainly hope he is.

POLITAN: Yes, Brenda, one thing to ask you about Michael Phelps though, is that here`s a guy who`s so disciplined at his sport and it takes so much concentration and focus. And yet we see on his personal side, not quite as much discipline.

WADE: You know, that`s normal though. I think when someone spends so much time with the intense training that he`s done, there`s another side.

How old is he? He`s in his 20s. There`s another side that says, "Ok, I`ve had it. I just need to let loose. I need to get out of her." We see that with kids on spring break who`ve been studying all year. They go on spring break and go crazy. Why? Letting the pressure off. I bet he`s felt a lot of pressure.

MURPHY: Maybe we can just...

POLITAN: Go ahead, Wendy.

MURPHY: Maybe we can just agree that even though we would like to think our heroes don`t do bad things, they do. They are kind of just like us.

And good for the police. We may all be curious, voyeuristic good for the police they don`t indulge us all the time.

POLITAN: Well, this is great...

WADE: What makes people a hero is that they have flaws.

POLITAN: Everyone is agreeing right now.

Everybody stay there and keep this mood. We`re going to turn to another superstar athlete, Michael Vick.

Three months ago, he was an inmate at Leavenworth Federal Prison. Today, he has another multimillion dollar NFL contract. The Philadelphia Eagles are giving Vick the second chance he`s been desperate for.

ESPN has reported that he signed a one year deal worth $1.6 million with an option for a second year at $5.2 million. Not too bad for a guy who lost everything after his dog-fighting conviction two years ago. He served 18 months in prison and two months in home confinement.

Now, he`s right where he wants to be back in the league where he was once a hero. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

MICHAEL VICK, QUARTERBACK, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES: I think, you know, everybody deserves a second chance. You know, we all have issues; we all deal with certain things. We all have our own unique views in our life.

I think, as long as you are willing to come back and do it the right way and the right things and that you are committed. I think you deserve it. But you only get one shot at a second chance. And I`m conscious of that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

POLITAN: Of course, not everyone thinks Vick deserves a second chance.

I want to get back to my expert panel to see if we all sort of agree here.

Mark, Vick served his time. Do you have a problem with him getting back in the NFL?

EIGLARSH: Yes at this time. I`ll tell you why.

POLITAN: You do.

EIGLARSH: I don`t -- let me tell you why, Vinnie? You`re asking a personal question. I`m somebody who fights for people to get second chances as a criminal defense attorney. Eventually, I do believe in his shot at redemption. I don`t believe anyone just gets a second chance just because; you get a shot at redemption to prove yourself.

But it seems like it`s a little too fresh. He was just hanging dogs, holding them under water until they died, electrocuting them with jumper cables. And now all of a sudden he`s on the playing field.

I just haven`t seen it yet. I`m not saying he can`t redeem himself. I`m just saying it`s a little too soon for me.

POLITAN: Wendy Murphy, how about this though? Whenever we are in a criminal court and someone has served their time and it`s time for the system release them back to society, we ask usually a couple things of them.

One, stay out of trouble; two, become a gainful member of society. Get out there and be employed.

Michael Vick is a football player. That`s what he does. He`s still only 29 years old. Doesn`t he deserve a chance to do what he`s trained his whole life to do and to do what he`s better at than 99.9999 percent of the population?

MURPHY: Look, this is an even stranger day than you might imagine. I think Eiglarsh is wrong and too harsh.

EIGLARSH: Holy cow. Wow.

MURPHY: Let me tell you why.

EIGLARSH: Tell me.

MURPHY: Even though when it comes to sex offenders and somebody says they paid their debt, let them be. I say just because they`d done their time doesn`t mean they are not dangerous.

I think it`s fair to say you can predict that Vick has done his time and he`s not going to be doing this to anymore doggies.

Let me be clear. Kobe Bryant did something much worse to a human being, not an animal and I don`t think he paid any debt to society. I know he wrote a check.

EIGLARSH: Well, there was no conviction there. Wendy -- Wendy...

(CROSS TALK)

MURPHY: I don`t care. Let me make my point. I don`t care.

What he did was worse than this and he paid no debt to society because this criminal case took a dive. And I want to be clear here, if we can let Kobe Bryant remain a superstar, we can give Vick a second chance.

I`m not jumping on the PETA party until PETA, by the way, starts caring about violence on women and children. And that`s far...

POLITAN: I`m with you there Wendy. I`m with you 100 percent.

Vick has been trying to repair his reputation since he got out of prison. And I think we can all agree that`s a real tall order. But one of his carefully selected appearances will be on "60 minutes" this Sunday.

Here is a clip of his CBS interview with James Brown.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

JAMES BROWN, CBS SPORTS ANCHOR: What about the dogs?

VICK: It was wrong J.B. You know, I feel, you know, I feel, you know, tremendous hurt by what happened. I should have took the initiative to stop it all and I didn`t and didn`t step up. I wasn`t a leader.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

POLITAN: Now, there`s been a lot of talk over whether or not Vick is genuinely remorseful.

Brenda Wade, is there any way for us to tell?

WADE: You know, I have to say, I`m a huge believer in recovery, redemption, second chances. That`s what I do for a living.

In this case, I have to say, I would like to hear him -- each time I hear him speak, this is what I hear. I hear, "Gee, I should have stepped up. Gee, I deserve a second chance. Gee, I was hurt behind."

I have yet to hear him say, "Animals are beings with feelings too. And what I did was so wrong to hurt other creatures. I`m going to pay back in some way so other people learn from my example not to do this." I would love to know that he`s in therapy.

MURPHY: He has been doing that.

WADE: Hold on a minute. There`s something here that bothers me about all this. This is the key, as far as I am concerned. When he can say, there`s a reason I took out so much anger on innocent animals, I`ll feel more convinced. I don`t see him taking full responsibility.

EIGLARSH: He`s going to. He`s going to, give him time. You see, that`s my concern. I need time. This is a process.

POLITAN: You need a time out. That`s what you need Mark you need a time out.

EIGLARSH: A little bit sure I do.

(CROSS TALK)

MURPHY: Look he can do two things at the same time. He`s already been giving back to society. He`s already been working to raise awareness around this problem. Why can`t he be a football player and continue to do that?

(CROSS TALK)

WADE: I would love to see him do both of those Wendy. Yes, yes.

MURPHY: Because he`s a famous football player doing good for society on behalf of animals. Let him do both.

(CROSS TALK)

POLITAN: All right a big thank you to all of that. It was really a bizarre day. Everyone is like -- I don`t know who`s who anymore. Thanks folks.

Now, Nick Hogan wants a second chance. Two years after his reckless driving paralyzed his friend. This kid is finally showing some remorse. I just hope this isn`t some attempt to get a reality show.

And speaking of reality shows, "Jon & Kate plus 8" had a cameo appearance from the cops last night. So why were the police called to their house?

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POLITAN: TV mom, Kate Gosselin gets a harsh reality when she shows up at her house last without calling Jon ahead of time.

But first "Top of the Block" tonight: redemption for Nick Hogan, it`s been almost two years since Hulk Hogan`s son, real name Nick Bollea smashed his car into a tree; a reckless crash that sent his friend to the hospital with critical injuries.

Well, since I believe in second chances, let`s be fair and give him one. Take a listen.

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NICK BOLLEA, HULK HOGAN`S SON: Something that I would want people to know now is that, you know, I`m very sorry about my accident that happened. And I pray every day for, you know, everyone who was involved in the situation. I`ve moved on in a positive way with Kiya (ph). I am trying to do everything that I can to give back to the community that I took so much away from.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

POLITAN: All right, so he`s moved on. A far cry, though, from the Nick we remember while he was in jail. Perhaps someone should have told him back then that bad mouthing a friend you nearly turned into a vegetable not the best way to get into the public`s good graces.

Let`s take a listen to that 2008 jail conversation.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HULK HOGAN, WRESTLER: : For some reason God laid some heavy (BLEEP) on that kid. I don`t know what he was into...

BOLLEA: John was a negative person.

HOGAN: He was what?

BOLLEA: He was a negative person.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

POLITAN: Certainly some harsh words from Nick and his dad. We can only hope that Nick is really serious about teaching kids the dangers of acting stupid behind a wheel. It`s never too late to start over.

And that`s tonight`s "Top of the Block."

Turning now to another reality show in turmoil: "Jon and Kate Gosselin, the separated stars of "Jon & Kate plus 8" were seen fighting outside their Pennsylvania home. Reports say Kate showed up unannounced during Jon`s scheduled time with the kids.

TMZ is reporting the heated fight started when Jon wouldn`t let Kate in the house. So she called the cops. No arrests were made. But Kate left and checked into a local Days Inn. But how is all of this affecting the kids?

Kate got emotional when she spoke to "The Today Show" on Monday about talking to the kids. Listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KATE GOSSELIN, "JON & KATE PLUS 8": Sorry...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s ok.

GOSSELIN: I don`t want to upset them. While I`ve been very real and as honest as I need to be, I don`t want to shock them. I`ve walked slowly through this with them.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

POLITAN: So, could Jon and Kate`s open aggression be detrimental to the eight kids and the show? Well it seems America is turning off the Gosselins. The show has lost seven million viewers since they announced their split in June.

Meanwhile, why did Kate want to drop by during Jon`s time with the kids? She didn`t like Jon`s choice of babysitter; 23 year old aspiring model Stephanie Santoro.

Rumors have swirled about Jon`s allege string of girlfriends from the "Star" magazine reporter to the 22-year-old daughter of Kate`s plastic surgeon. Just who is he dating?

Straight to my panel: Wendy Murphy, former prosecutor and author "And Justice for Some;" Brenda Wade, clinical psychologist; and Kim Serafin, senior editor "In Touch Weekly."

Kim, let`s start with you. What exactly happened last night at the Gosselin home?

KIM SERAFIN, SENIOR EDITOR, "IN TOUCH WEEKLY": Yes. As you mentioned, Kate did show up unannounced. Reportedly, she knew that Jon -- she was checking up on him with the babysitter. Didn`t know what babysitter this was.

Now, Jon did speak to TMZ. He said Kate didn`t approve of this babysitter.

POLITAN: Why, why? Why wouldn`t she approve?

SERAFIN: Well, there are reports that he perhaps has spent the night with this babysitter. Now Jon did an exclusive interview with "In Touch" where he`s said he has always been true to Haleigh, he loves Haleigh; that is the 22-year-old daughter of the plastic surgeon that you mentioned.

POLITAN: Right.

SERAFIN: But you know -- look, they are clearly handling the divorce in different ways. Kate, as you showed is very upset, she`s been weepy in all of these interviews that she`s doing and very upset.

Jon, of course, is out there, he`s apparently going to be hosting a party in Las Vegas. He`s been seen with several women. He has been -- again, he did tell "In Touch" that he has be true to Haleigh -- but he has been dating Haleigh for quite a long time.

So they seemed to be kind of taking different paths in the divorce.

POLITAN: All right. Brenda Wade, let`s bring you on in this. What do you think is going on in Kate`s mind, in her world, showing up at the house, unannounced?

BRENDA WADE, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: You know it`s clear, when people go through a divorce, it`s like a death. You go through all the same emotions, there`s denial, there is bargaining, there is anger, there is sadness.

And I always say to people, if you can remember that it`s like a death and each person goes through those stages in different ways.

Now I would say Jon is clearly in the "I`m in denial, I don`t want to feel any feelings, I don`t want to process anything. Just bring on the party, bring on the fun, bring on the women. I`m out of here."

While Kate is still struggling with her feelings, very typical split by the way for the genders. But one of the keys is what is happening to these children.

POLITAN: Yes.

WADE: Divorce is traumatic for children; I don`t care how you split it. Their world has come apart and while the parents are struggling, they actually need to be in co-parenting counseling so they can calm down all the drama. Focus on co-parenting those children in an effective way. And no, probably, a 23-year-old model that dad might be sleeping with is not the best babysitter.

POLITAN: Really?

You know Wendy Murphy, when it`s time to interview potential babysitters and caregivers for children, isn`t that one of the questions. You know, do you have any modeling experience? Do you have any modeling experience? Have you acted? Can I see your portfolio? Can I see your Web site?

MURPHY: That may be among Jon`s criteria, and look, if I were the mother of those kids knowing that that guy was in the room and the walls were shaking right down the road while the show was still on and I don`t think the kids knew mommy and daddy were breaking up, I`d worry, too, that he`s got yet another young something or other in the house.

I don`t even get the appeal of this guy. He`s kind of a chubby, lazy yuck. And yet he`s got these young women falling...

POLITAN: He`s got those cool T-shirts, Wendy. The cool T-shirts; chicks love those.

MURPHY: Please, he`s got these young women fawning all over him. You know, he`s acting, in my opinion, like an adolescent who just discovered his private parts. He should be ashamed of himself.

POLITAN: Everyone stay there. We`re going to have more on the Jon and Kate drama right after this break.

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KATE GOSSELIN, "JON & KATE PLUS 8": It was weird to pack alone. It was weird to board the bus. It was minus Jon any way you looked at it.

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POLITAN: That was Kate Gosselin on "Jon & Kate plus 8" talking about the reality of life without husband Jon.

Kate`s brother has been outspoken about that fact that he thinks the eight kids are being exploited. Kate countered that he`s getting paid to speak out.

Wendy Murphy, is there anyone looking out for these kids?

MURPHY: If there is that person is not on camera because I haven`t found them. And, you know, look, parents do have these kinds of things happen all of the time, and I know why we want to watch. It`s like a soap opera only so much worse because it`s not acting...

WADE: It`s a train wreck.

MURPHY: It is and it`s children who can`t possibly get out of the camera`s view. That seems to me, the most grotesque form of abuse. I don`t know why a court of law isn`t stepping in and saying, "Jon and Kate beat the hell out of each other for all we care, but let the kids alone, please."

POLITAN: But Wendy, you know, Jon and Kate`s children are staying in this $1.1 million home and while Jon and Kate take turns living with them, they`re still filming this and Kate addressed this on "The Today Show" on Monday.

Take a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) GOSSELIN: It`s a very unique job. It`s taught us many things. It`s given our kids many opportunities they not would otherwise had.

They each have a substantial college fund. They will all go to college. I have made sure of that.

So I don`t live my life in regret. I typically tend to look forward, not backward and I still feel like this a good thing. It`s healthy and the kids would agree.

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POLITAN: So there you have it, really.

It`s for the kids. Go ahead, Brenda.

WADE: At the end of day, Vinnie, not everyone or I should say, most people don`t know how to put a marriage together, hold it together especially with the spotlights and all of that.

By the way, I had ten free tips at loveandmoneysummit.com on how to keep your marriage stronger so you don`t end up like Jon and Kate, but at the end of day...

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WADE: Well, that`s not a bad tip, but the kids need help and she`s glossing over the fact that those children are going through something that`s extremely difficult.

POLITAN: Kim, you know what really interests me is...

MURPHY: It`s only about money.

Can I just say something?

She basically said it`s all about money; we have a fund here and a fund there. It`s all about money. No. The kids don`t care about money. They care about love.

POLITAN: But it`s hard when you have eight children. There is a monetary aspect for raising eight kids.

MURPHY: I don`t care. She can sell her kidneys too, but should she because it will get her some more money?

POLITAN: All right Kim. We talked a little bit about Jon before. And he`s an interesting character, this Jon, because he`s going out with this young woman. He`s really not that old; I think we all think he`s older than he really is. He`s only 32, right?

SERAFIN: Right. And he got married when he was 22. He had said this before -- he said this in this interview he did with "In Touch." He spent his 20s raising kid. They had twins right after they got married and then they had these six kids. He really is a pretty young guy so in a way, he kind lost his 20s, and I think you`re right.

POLITAN: I would almost feel...

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POLITAN: Wait, wait, wait. Time out, ladies.

I almost feel sorry for him when he brought eight children into the world. He brought eight children into the world and that`s one of the sacrifices you have to make.

WADE: It`s about being responsible.

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SERAFIN: Can I just say something though. Kate also did say that this would have happened whether the cameras were on or off. And I think you see that even if you watched the show and even if you were a fan of the show...

POLITAN: You would see it.

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POLITAN: Thanks so much to my fabulous panel for joining me tonight.

I`m Vinnie Politan filling in for Jane Velez-Mitchell.

See you next time.

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