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Reality TV Contestant Charged With Murdering Wife; Dr. Arnold Klein's Lawyers Speak Out
Aired August 23, 2009 - 21:00 ET
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LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight, exclusive -- dermatologist to the stars, Arnold Klein, was Michael Jackson's good friend and doctor. Days after the L.A. coroner said his report on the king of pop's death was complete, his chief investigator was at Klein's office again.
Could Klein face prosecution?
And what about his connection to Michael's kids?
Two of his attorneys -- one criminal, one civil -- are here, talking only to us.
First, breaking news -- a reality TV contestant charged with murdering his beautiful ex-wife. He's vanished after her naked body was found.
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TONY RACKAUCKAS, ORANGE COUNTY, CALIFORNIA DISTRICT ATTORNEY: We now have a warrant for the arrest of Ryan Alexander Jenkins.
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KING: The very latest on this shocking case next on LARRY KING LIVE.
We begin tonight with new details in the death of model Jasmine Fiore. Police are hunting now for her ex-husband, have a warrant out for his arrest. And we learned at a press conference earlier tonight that it was apparently a very gruesome crime.
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RACKAUCKAS: The question was about mutilation. Yes, we're prepared to answer that question at this time. Yes, the fingers and -- and teeth were removed.
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KING: All right. We'll have lots of guests joining us.
Right now, we begin with Mike Fleeman. He's the West Coast editor of People.com. He's with us here in our L.A. studios.
And in Washington is Pat Brown, criminal profiler, the founder and CEO of the Sexual Homicide Exchange.
Mike, get us up to date.
What is this all about?
MIKE FLEEMAN, WEST COAST EDITOR, PEOPLE.COM: Well, what we have is a man who went from being a person of interest to a murder suspect. This is probably even still the husband of Jasmine Fiore. He's a reality TV star. He's the one who reported her missing. Police found a body about the same time and then they tried to find him and he was gone.
KING: Reported what, by phone?
FLEEMAN: Yes, I think, he called it into the police. And just coincidentally, at the same time, police had found this nude body in a dumpster behind an apartment complex. They identified it as his wife. They wanted to talk to him. They couldn't find him.
KING: And she's the model and this was all in Buena Park here in California, right?
FLEEMAN: Yes. The body was found in -- in Buena Park. The man is originally from Canada. And they -- they fear that he was going to flee to Canada. And sure enough, that's where they think he went.
KING: And that's Ryan Alexander Jenkins.
When you say reality TV star, what does that mean?
FLEEMAN: Well, he's one of these guys who are sort of on the fringes of fame.
He's in this show called "Megan Wants A Millionaire." It's a woman on VH1 that she tries to get these suitors to go after her, but she only goes after millionaires. And this guy's some sort of a real estate investor with a couple of million bucks.
KING: So how would he be one of those if he's married?
FLEEMAN: Well, that's one of the interesting twists in all of this. His friends even said we didn't know he was married and yet he's wooing this woman on -- on a reality show.
KING: Pat Brown, criminal profiler, founder and CEO of the Sexual Homicide Exchange, what -- as a criminal profiler, what's your early read on the very early details on this?
PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER: Well, Larry, it was very clear from the very beginning, when they found her body in a piece of luggage, that we weren't dealing with a serial killer. I knew it was somebody who knew her and he wanted to make sure that she was not identified. This is why he ended up cutting off her fingers -- cutting -- taking out her teeth.
He even got smart. He watched too many crime shows and thought he would get rid of all I.D., took away her clothes, put her in the luggage, probably because it's one way to get her of an apartment. And throw it a dumpster and hope that time will take care of it, she'll decompose, they'll never be able to identify her.
And then, of course, he probably realized he really needed to get out of town.
KING: And the husband is a suspect because he's fled?
BROWN: Oh, well, absolutely. I mean that's -- that's consciousness of guilt. And he went in and reported this girl missing. I think this is really a bizarre thing. He goes in and says look, she's -- she's -- she's -- I saw her take her suitcase, which is kind of funny, like the luggage she ended up in. I saw her take that suitcase out the door. She went someplace.
Well, if she just went someplace last night, why is she already being reported as missing?
If she's leaving you, why would you think she's gone missing?
Wouldn't you just think she's going to a friend's house or just some other place?
So the story right from the get go wasn't very good.
This is a very arrogant man. Megan said it right on the show. She said he's a manipulator. He is. He has evidence of psychopathy there. So he just thought he was so smart, he could get away with this stuff. And little by little, he is -- you know, he just knows he's got to run now.
KING: A beautiful girl.
In Gwen -- in San Francisco is Gwendolyn Beauregard, who considered Jasmine part of her family, knew her since Jasmine was 11 years old.
Were you friends together as youngsters?
GWENDOLYN BEAUREGARD, KNEW VICTIM, JASMINE, SINCE CHILDHOOD: No. Jasmine was a dear friend of both of my sons. And they went to Bonny Dune Elementary School. And that's how I met Jasmine, when she was 11 years old.
KING: You know, you look young enough to be her sister.
BEAUREGARD: Thank you.
KING: Tell us about her.
How old was she? BEAUREGARD: She was 28 years old when she passed. And I met her when she was 11. I've been very close with her all these years. She called me mommy and she was my daughter. And I was her mother and every sense of the word.
KING: When did she begin modeling, do you know?
BEAUREGARD: She began modeling probably in her early 20s. She -- after -- after high school -- she went to Santa Cruz High School. She worked at Shoppers Corner, which is a family-owned business for 70 years. She worked as a bag girl there. And then she went on to work at Chardonnay Sailing Charters as a crew member. And Chardonnay Sailing Charters is a 70-foot sailing yacht that takes people out for hire. And she was really, really good at that job, too.
KING: What do you know about her husband?
BEAUREGARD: You know, I didn't know she was married at all.
BEAUREGARD: She never told me. She never told me that she married him. And so it was news...
KING: Wait a minute.
BEAUREGARD: ...it was news to me.
KING: But she's your friend. You know her since childhood. She's a friend of your children.
She wouldn't tell you she's married?
BEAUREGARD: She didn't tell me that she married him. She told me the day that they met, which was St. Patrick's Day. She called me the day after and she said: "Mommy, I met the most perfect guy in the world and -- and his name is Ryan."
And she just went on and on and on about Ryan and how perfect he was. And that was all I knew.
And then soon after, her grandma passed away. And so Ryan flew Jasmine and her biological mother, Lisa Lepore, to North Carolina for the services for her grandma.
KING: You never met Ryan, though?
BEAUREGARD: I never met him.
KING: And this was St. Patrick's Day, so the marriage had to be recent?
BEAUREGARD: The marriage was -- according to the newspapers, the marriage was two days later, which shocked me because she never said a word to me.
KING: Mike, whoa. This gets weirder and weirder.
FLEEMAN: Yes. I -- you know, many surprises and twists. They -- they met in Las Vegas. Two days later, they got married at the Little White Wedding Chapel. That's, of course, where Britney Spears got married and -- and quickly annulled.
It was a quickie wedding. We today talked to somebody who was at the wedding. One of the witnesses was an employee of the chapel. A lot of people were shocked that both of them were married. They kept it under wraps. And the marriage had a lot of problems almost from the very beginning.
FLEEMAN: Well, he was arrested and charged with domestic assault.
KING: Against her?
FLEEMAN: Against her, for hitting her. And he actually was supposed to go on trial in December.
KING: But apparently they were still together. She -- it doesn't matter if she withdraws it, they still go through with the case, right?
FLEEMAN: Exactly. They got married in March. The domestic violence incident was in June. They were separated for a time while he was working. And they were together the night -- the night that she disappeared.
KING: Any history of any criminal activities in his background other than...
FLEEMAN: Yes, there's also some indication of an assault case back in Canada several years ago. And we just got a statement from the producers of his reality show and they said, you know, we vetted this guy. Obviously, we didn't do a very good job.
KING: When we come back, we'll talk to the district attorney. His department is heading up the case.
And still to come, investigators were back at the office of Dr. Arnie Klein, the friend of Michael Jackson. Two of Klein's attorneys are talking only to us.
Don't go away.
KING: Joining us now is the Orange County district attorney, Tony Rackauckas. He's at the Orange County Pavilion in Santa Ana.
Is the husband the only suspect here, Tony?
RACKAUCKAS: Yes, he is. At this point, there's no indication that anybody else might be involved. And he's -- at this point, he's a -- a fugitive in a murder case. This afternoon, we filed a charge of murder against him in the Orange County Superior Court.
KING: With $10 million bail?
RACKAUCKAS: I -- I think that's right, but I'm not sure what the bail amount wound up being. But, hopefully, it's sufficient that he's not going to just, you know, get out.
KING: What do you make of this, Tony?
I mean what do you make of having her fingernails removed, her teeth removed?
What is that all about?
RACKAUCKAS: Well, it appears to be, you know, a gruesome attempt to conceal her identity. You know, so I don't know, there's a recent movie where -- where that -- where that happened, then maybe he got the idea there. But it's just -- you know, it's just awful. It's awful. And it's -- it's like I said, apparently to get rid of fingerprints and the possibility of identification through -- through dental imprints and so forth.
KING: The wanted poster says that he's armed and dangerous.
How do you know he's armed?
RACKAUCKAS: Well, we believe he's armed because there's a handgun missing from his apartment, which is the last place he was before -- before he fled. So it appears that he's armed. And he's certainly dangerous because he's desperate. You know, he's a -- he's fugitive wanted for murder. And he's -- he's desperately trying to get away from the authorities. So I would consider him to be very dangerous. So if anybody is thinking about the possibility of -- of hiding him out or helping him or something like that, understand that it's a very dangerous thing to do, aside from being a crime.
KING: Do we know where she was killed?
RACKAUCKAS: We don't know exactly where she was killed. It could have been -- it could have been San Diego. It could have been on the way to Orange County. But we know for sure that she was dumped in -- in Orange County, in Buena Park, in that -- in that dumpster.
KING: Anything -- any knowledge of motive?
RACKAUCKAS: Well, the motive, at this point, you know, it appears to be just this domestic violence, the anger, you know, somebody becoming angry, beating his wife. And that turns into murder.
KING: Chris Gailus is with us, global news anchor at Point Roberts, Washington.
What's the interest in your state in this story, Chris? CHRIS GAILUS, GLOBAL NEWS ANCHOR: Well, I'm on the Canadian side, Larry, of the border. As you know, this is a geographical anomaly. It's a -- it's a little peninsula that peaks out right below the Canadian border, surrounded on all sides by water.
But it's a little piece of Washington State easily accessible by boat from Blaine, Washington. And that's how they believe Ryan Jenkins got here.
They found his boat in the marina at Point Roberts. The name -- I don't know if your viewers can see it on the videotape -- the name of the boat is Night Rider Her, R-I-D-E-H-E-R. That was collared by U.S. Coast Guard and towed away. We're not sure where it is now, but you can bet that it's getting a forensic examination.
And it's -- it's an interesting part of the country, because it's, as you know, the longest undefended border. And although I'm at the Point Roberts border crossing right now, we're surrounded by a residential area. There's a beach that stretches right across the border. So it would be very easy for somebody to land a boat there and walk across into a residential neighborhood undetected. And that is why a lot of people in the Vancouver area -- the lower mainland area here -- are -- are concerned.
KING: Well, they walk in and then what, would rent a car, do what?
GAILUS: Well, that -- that's a -- that's a matter of debate. You could jump in a cab and you're only about 45 minutes from Vancouver here. And we learned today through a tip that Ryan's mother, we believe, lives in the Vancouver area. There's a Nada Jenkins that we found in a condo in the False Creek area near downtown Vancouver. We tried to contact her by knocking on the door and calling her a number of different ways. But she's refused all efforts to get in touch with her so far.
KING: We'll take a break and be back with questions for each of our guests -- Tony, Mike, Chris, Gwendolyn and Pat Brown.
Don't go away.
KING: You have a question for each of our panelists, but also from today's press conference, family friend Robert Hasman, who says he dated Jasmine, had this to day about Ryan Jenkins.
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ROBERT HASMAN, FORMER BOYFRIEND: Ryan Jenkins is an animal. What he has done to Jasmine is unspeakable. It's just not right.
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KING: Now, Gwendolyn, you said Jasmine's grandmother died.
Does she have other relatives?
BEAUREGARD: Her mother, Lisa Lepore. And that's all the -- the living blood relatives that I -- that I'm aware of.
KING: But she called you mom?
BEAUREGARD: Yes, she did.
KING: Was she close to her mother?
BEAUREGARD: She was close to her mother, as well, but it was a different type of closeness. Like I -- I think...
KING: Where does the mother live?
BEAUREGARD: Her mother lives in Santa Cruz now. She recently moved back from Maui.
KING: Pat Brown, the indicator -- the type of death this is tells you what?
BROWN: Well, it tells me that this man thought all women were his possessions, that he had the right to do with him what he wanted to, very manipulative, very controlling and he does not like some woman to stand up to him, as we saw in that show. He gets very offended by that.
And so when he gets his girl, she -- he expects her to do what he wants her to. And, after all, he's a -- he's a millionaire. He's a rich man, which is what suckers these women in, because when they find he's a rich guy, they kind of lose all control of their minds, because it just all -- they go, oh, my God, I'm with a millionaire.
KING: But what makes him a -- what makes him a killer?
BROWN: Well, his nature, if he did this -- commit this kind of crime, he is a psychopath. He is a very, very cold-blooded psychopath. But at that moment, when that girl wanted to leave and get -- walk out of his life, he was enraged by that.
And this is not a crime of passion. It's a crime that you would commit if the circumstances are right. The circumstances were right for Jenkins, so he offed the girl. And then he just had to clean the mess up afterwards and probably thought he could get away.
And he's got a problem, because he's not a survivalist. So pretty boy is up there. He's going to be, probably, contacting his parents, which is why he got that warning -- that warning went out from law enforcement...
BROWN: ...don't aid and abet. I think that was at the family.
KING: Tony, are you working with Canadian authorities? RACKAUCKAS: Yes, absolutely. And I just -- I just want to say this, that as far as don't aid and abet, please don't aid and abet. I mean that's a very important -- that's a very important thing, not to -- not to take him in. Folks, if you see this guy, he's dangerous. He's armed. You know, go to the authorities.
And, Ryan, I want you to know that right now, there's just -- there's only one count charged here. And, you know, it can get a lot worse. You might think it can't get worse, but it will get a lot worse if other things happen and other people start getting injured. There's -- there's chases. There's all these different things that happen.
So, you know, Ryan, go to the authorities and turn yourself in and, you know, let's put an end to this chase.
KING: Chris, are you in contact with Canadian officials?
GAILUS: Yes. And I'll just -- I'll add to Tony's comments there and maybe he can expand on them a little bit. But it's our understanding that some paperwork is being fast-tracked right now. The only thing Canadian authorities could pick Ryan Jenkins up for right now officially is crossing the border illegally.
So maybe your guest has some insight on some of the paperwork that's being done to make sure that they can pick him up on more serious charges...
KING: Yes, that's a good question, Chris.
GAILUS: ...and be able to hold him -- yes, be able to hold him in custody longer.
KING: Tony, can they do that?
RACKAUCKAS: Well, we -- we have the paperwork completed that should be with the Canadian authorities the very first thing in the morning that -- to allow them to make a provisional arrest on this murder charge. And then, at that point, then they would hold him for -- for extradition proceedings.
KING: And, Mike, how big is this story going to get?
FLEEMAN: It -- it started slowly and then it exploded. You know, it has all the elements. This is a guy whose life, when it was half as interesting, was the basis of a television show. Now that all this is going on, people are fascinated by this.
KING: And maybe a little frightened if you're up there, huh?
FLEEMAN: Very much so.
KING: Thank you.
Thank you all.
We'll stay on top of this.
Dr. Arnold Klein was Michael Jackson's good friend and his doctor.
Could Klein face prosecution in his close pal's mysterious death?
Klein's attorneys are here to take on some tough questions, next.
KING: One reminder, tomorrow night a major show on prostate cancer. It will feature Michael Milken, Joe Torre, John McEnroe, a prominent cancer physician, as well. Prostate cancer is the subject tomorrow night.
The first time that Dr. Arnie Klein spoke out after Michael Jackson's death was on this show.
Here's a quick reminder of some of the things he said exclusively to us.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP FROM JULY 8, 2009)
DR. ARNIE KLEIN, JACKSON'S DERMATOLOGIST: I think, to the best of my knowledge, I'm not my father. Look, if you...
KING: You don't feel you have to take a DNA test to prove anything?
KLEIN: If they want my DNA test, they can have my DNA.
KING: You would?
KLEIN: I don't care at this point. I just want to...
KING: Are you surprised that Diprivan was found in his home, supposedly?
KLEIN: I am very shocked by it, but I have to tell you that it's not something that would be unheard of.
KING: Now the Deborah Rowe part of the story.
She was your nurse, right?
KING: They met, I guess, in your office?
KING: Was that a real love affair?
KLEIN: I don't know what love is, I mean, in that sense of the imagination. I think that she loves him very much. She admired him very much. KING: Let's clear up something.
He was not someone desirous of being white?
KLEIN: No. Mike -- Michael was black. He was very proud of his black heritage.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KING: We'll have more excerpts of that interview later.
Now, exclusively, we welcome to LARRY KING LIVE, Garo Ghazarian. He is a criminal attorney for Michael Jackson's longtime friend and dermatologist, Dr. Arnold Klein. And Richard Charnley. Richard is the civil attorney for Dr. Klein.
Garo, why -- why does he need a criminal attorney?
GARO GHAZARIAN, ATTORNEY FOR DR. ARNOLD KLEIN: Well, the same reason one needs an orthodontist. If somebody tells you your teeth are crooked, you -- you go in and consult an orthodontist.
KING: Has someone told him he's a person of interest?
GHAZARIAN: Well, apparently, you know, when the news media started producing reports that started painting a picture of him, his personal counsel, Richard Charnley, who is seated to my left, thought it would be appropriate for me to be brought into the picture, for me to take a look from my perspective.
KING: Why, Richard?
CHARNLEY: Well, this is one of those stories that's been hard to get in front of. Every day we hear more and more comments about different people. Arnold Klein's life has been examined as if he were running for political office. And at some point, in time there was a line that was crossed. I called Garo.
KING: Do you have fear, then, of a possible criminal charge?
Is that a fear?
CHARNLEY: My day -- my job is to make sure that my client is absolutely and totally safe. I don't have fear of a criminal involvement here. Garo can speak more of that. My job is to protect him at all costs.
KING: Are there civil questions coming?
CHARNLEY: I think there are always civil questions. Anybody can file -- file a lawsuit. They can name any defendants they want to -- to name in a case like this. I haven't seen anything which suggests that Dr. Klein has done anything inappropriate.
KING: How's he doing?
You know, since his appearance here, nobody's seen him now.
CHARNLEY: It's -- it's tough, as I'm sure you can imagine. He is one of the foremost dermatologists in the world. He -- he's raised hundreds of million of dollars for charity. He wants to practice medicine. And every time some new rumor pops up, the paparazzi is out in front of his office and that -- it's making it hard for the people who know him to come see him.
KING: Should he come back here or not?
CHARNLEY: I think one day he'd like to.
KING: Because he -- he enjoyed himself and he liked expressing himself.
CHARNLEY: Arnold Klein expresses himself as no one else can.
KING: Garo, last week, the L.A. coroner described his report on Michael's death as "thorough and comprehensive." He also said it was complete.
But yesterday, his chief investigator was back at Dr. Klein's office with a subpoena.
What do we make of that?
GHAZARIAN: Well, you know, as a trial attorney, there's a very common saying. There's the closing argument that you prepare to make, the one you make and the one you think you should have made when you go home.
I don't know what the coroner's office was thinking when they said they were done. But to put it in context without compromising the coroner's investigation, I did not see anything new that the coroner's office was looking for when they came...
KING: Were you at the office when that happened?
GHAZARIAN: Yes, I was there. I -- actually, I got a call from the coroner's office. Actually, Richard Charnley got the call and he gave me the heads up.
KING: What were they looking for?
GHAZARIAN: They were not looking for anything new except they were looking to corroborate what had already been provided to them by cross-referencing reports with certain logs that is standard in the industry.
KING: They can take his criminal records -- his -- his medical records?
GHAZARIAN: Those that -- those that they had asked for, we have provided, yes.
KING: OK. So do you know what the coroner is going to say? GHAZARIAN: I know what the coroner ought to say.
KING: Which is?
GHAZARIAN: Which is Dr. Klein is not involved and is not culpable in any way, shape or form, as it relates to the passing of his dear friend.
KING: Now that -- have you spoken to the coroner?
GHAZARIAN: I have.
GHAZARIAN: The investigator. Yes.
GHAZARIAN: Well, he -- he is not -- he is not giving me any reason to believe otherwise. I have not seen any reason. And mind you, Mr. King, I've done extensive investigation. I have investigators of my own. I have a staff that I have put on this matter, along with the assistance of the offices of Ropers, Majeski, Kohn & Bentley, where Richard Charnley is.
And we have not uncovered anything that gives me cause for concern as far as -- as far as the investigation that the coroner has conducted.
KING: And you, Richard?
CHARNLEY: Well, I think it's important to remember, the coroner serves civil subpoenas, the coroner doesn't serve criminal search warrants.
KING: Correct. But he gives the investigation over to the crime division.
CHARNLEY: Once a cause of death has been determined, perhaps. Perhaps. As of this time, we've cooperated with the coroner's office. We've given the coroner's office everything they need. As a matter of fact, I got the call yesterday at 11:00 and by 12:00, Dr. Klein's doors were open. The coroner came in without a subpoena this time.
KING: Is he continuing to practice?
CHARNLEY: He is. He's an excellent physician. He's going to continue.
KING: Is he worried?
CHARNLEY: Worried about what?
KING: Something coming up that might harm him?
CHARNLEY: I think he's -- I think his major concern at this point is being able to return to his practice, return to his calm kind of, you know, hideaway life and practice medicine. That's what he does best, better than anybody.
KING: We'll be back with more.
Don't go away.
KING: We're back with Garo Ghazarian. He is the criminal attorney for Michael Jackson's long time dermatologist, Dr. Arnold Klein, and his civil attorney, Richard Charnley. There have been numerous stories alleging that Dr. Klein prescribed huge quantities of drugs for Michael Jackson. I asked him specifically about pain medication when we spoke in July. Watch.
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KING: What about pain killing medications? Did you prescribe any?
KLEIN: I mean, I've used some sedatives when he had surgical procedures. Don't forget, he had a lot of -- he had the burn, when he was burnt on the Pepsi commercial, and the severe hair loss when he contracted Lupus also. So when you have to fix all these areas, you have to sedate a little bit. If you took all the pills I'd given him in the last year at once, it wouldn't do anything to you.
KING: What was the strongest medication you gave him?
KLEIN: I once -- on occasion, I gave him Demerol to sedate him. That's about the strongest medicine I ever used.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
KING: Richard, I had an attorney tell me that was a mistake of Dr. Klein to say he gave him any drug, because the client/patient relationship remains even after death.
CHARNLEY: Well, you know, it's an interesting concept. Years and years ago, Dr. Klein's records were picked up in connection with the Michael Jackson matter. That happened again about five or six years ago, in connection with the Santa Barbara issue. Dr. Klein isn't talking about anything that's not public.
We have seen his records, by the way, end up on our desk in my office, submitted to me by members of the media. Everybody knows what's out there. Dr. Klein's simply commenting on the public record.
KING: Did he ever make out, to your knowledge, prescriptions for Michael Jackson using aliases?
CHARNLEY: I haven't seen any scripts for Michael Jackson using aliases. None.
KING: Has the coroner's office spoken specifically to Arnold? CHARNLEY: No.
KING: Do you expect them to? Or might they? They could. They can if they wish, right?
CHARNLEY: They can if they wish. They haven't asked to yet.
KING: Concerning a crime, I'm a little puzzled. The allegations about Dr. Conrad Murray and the like -- if I give a legal -- the drug that was given, supposedly given to Michael, that's used only for anesthesia, that's not a Class Four drug, right? That's a drug, a legal drug, given in hospitals. Is it illegal to give it in the home? Is it a crime to give it in the home?
GHAZARIAN: Well, that's a very broad question, Mr. King. Because without putting any more specifics into it, generally speaking, one might have a standard response, yes, that would be highly inappropriate. But I wasn't there.
KING: This is a hypothetical. It's inappropriate? You can lose your license. But is it a crime?
GHAZARIAN: Well, it depend -- there's a lot that has been made about prescribing medication to individuals and whether or not it's appropriate, whether or not the person is an addict, whether or not the person requires that medication. What I would like to say about that is we do not know -- I don't know, as I sit here, the exact condition that Mr. Jackson was in, which may or may not have necessitated what the doctor did. I'm not a physician.
KING: In other words, something might have occurred in the house that necessitated it?
GHAZARIAN: It may have, very well. Him and his counsel I'm sure can address that.
KING: Has Dr. Klein been questioned by the LA Police?
GHAZARIAN: No, he has not.
KING: Any law enforcement authorities?
GHAZARIAN: No, he has not.
KING: Is there any criminal question you have a fear of?
GHAZARIAN: Fear is not the correct characterization.
GHAZARIAN: I always am -- excuse me. I'm always concerned, but it's a healthy concern. It would be foolish of me not to be concerned. But I have no cause for concern. No cause for concern borne out of my discussions that I've had thus far with law enforcement. I have had discussions -- excuse me -- as well as the coroner's office. Mind you, there was a report I believe last Friday that the DEA was considering sanctions against my client. The DEA had not contacted my client.
KING: You reached out to them?
GHAZARIAN: I did. I reached out. I reached out to the DEA. I got to the second in command, to this -- in this region. Very nice gentleman. I met with him ultimately actually today, along with the legal counsel and some investigators. And I left away from that meeting satisfied that they were doing their task. And their task is a difficult one. And they have a difficult task at hand.
KING: Which is?
GHAZARIAN: Their task is to gather information to see the facts and circumstances surrounding not my client, but every individual who has come into contact, every physician who has come into contact with the deceased in this matter. They have every right to do that. And they ought to do that.
In the context of my client, I walked away not feeling concerned for any --
KING: They were not accusatory in any way, then?
GHAZARIAN: Not in any way, shape or form, the way I interpreted their dialogue with me. I was there with my colleague Brad Boyer (ph) from Richard Charnley's firm.
KING: Has anybody in the family at all made any threats, maybe civil, maybe possible -- maybe we're going to sue you for something?
CHARNLEY: Nothing. Nothing at all. People know where we are. We've reached out to the attorneys, Mr. Weisman (ph), who is the attorney for the estate. We've reached out to Londell McMillan, who's the attorney for Mrs. Jackson. We've had emails with those firms. They know who we are. No contact.
KING: How's Arnold's mood?
CHARNLEY: He's up and down. He is an indomitable spirit. And he's a pretty good guy. And at the end of the day, people are going to look back on Arnold Klein and they're going to smile.
KING: Do you think he might be a bit of a hero in this?
CHARNLEY: Well, let me put it this way, if he turns out to be a hero, he won't take the praise.
KING: We'll be right back. Don't go away.
KING: We're back with our guests. The anesthesia Propofol, brand name Diprivan, has been a key component in this Michael Jackson death mystery. I asked Dr. Klein about Diprivan and Michael's drug issues last month. Look.
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KING: Did Michael have an addiction you were aware of?
KLEIN: Michael, at one time, had an addiction. He went to England, and he withdrew that addiction in a secure setting, where he went off of drugs altogether. When I told Michael when I met him, in this present situation where I was seeing him, that I had to keep reducing the dosage of what he was on, because he came to me with a huge tolerance level.
KING: Did Michael tell you he used Diprivan?
KLEIN: I knew at one point that he was using Diprivan when he was on shore in Germany. So he was using it with an anesthesiologist to go to sleep at night. I told him he was absolutely insane.
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KING: To your knowledge, Richard, did he ever -- did Klein ever prescribe Propofol?
CHARNLEY: To Michael Jackson or anybody? Not that I know of.
KING: I've never seen it written in a prescription. Because it's only given in the hospital?
CHARNLEY: It's only given by -- in the hospital. It's only given in drip form, to my best knowledge. It would only be given under what I call controlled environment.
KING: There are reports that Michael visited Klein's office an average of three times a week in the months prior to his death. Is that true?
CHARNLEY: Yes and no.
KING: What do you mean?
CHARNLEY: Sometimes it would be three times a week. Sometimes it would be once a week. Sometimes it would be not at all.
KING: There are also reports -- again, I love this, reports -- that he went to sleep there, because he was so revved up by rehearsals.
CHARNLEY: It's the reports again. It's people commenting on what other people comment upon. If he came in to my client's office, he came in for treatment. He was given treatment.
KING: Was he in the officials the day before he died?
KING: That stems somewhere too right? CHARNLEY: Someone has been saying that. I've been contacted by that. I was asked about it. I looked into it. He wasn't there.
GHAZARIAN: Let me just add to that briefly, my investigation has uncovered positively he was not there. Not the day before, nor the day prior to the day before. And I'll leave it at that.
KING: How do you deal with all the false reports that keep coming out? Like Michael's -- Arnold Klein is talking about a plea deal?
GHAZARIAN: Thank you. Thank you.
KING: He's not charged with anything and they're pleading him already.
GHAZARIAN: I'm sitting at home watching television, and I see that.
KING: Reported as fact?
GHAZARIAN: Reported as fact. I have to pick up the phone and call, call Richard.
KING: Do you take action -- when a report appears let's say anywhere, television, newspaper, do you call?
CHARNLEY: We write letters asking for a retraction, ask people to clear up the record. And it never happens. Things are sucked up into the media. They flash across the world on the Internet. They become part of people's consciousness.
KING: As a lawyer, what do you do?
CHARNLEY: You run around trying to put your finger in the dike, as it was, hope you can plug up a lot of holes. Hopefully, encourage people who are spreading these particular statements to think twice or three times, and ask better questions the next time something comes up.
There are a lot of questions that simply haven't been asked. We see, for instance, the chef and we see the cook and we see the nurse of Michael Jackson on everybody's programs. They are interviewed over and over again. They talk about Conrad Murray. Not one of them has said, oh, by the way, I saw Dr. Klein at Michael Jackson's house in a month or so before he died. No one has said that.
Wouldn't it be interesting if, at some point in time, someone would say, by the way, Dr. Klein wasn't there? Is that too much to ask?
KING: So you have to deal with all of this.
KING: There's no one you can sue, right? It's not called malice, is it?
CHARNLEY: If you run around suing people, you end up with your own problems in return. Lawyers always caution against that sort of thing.
KING: You think it has an effect criminally?
GHAZARIAN: It may. It may. Because what --
KING: It could pressure a district attorney wanting political attention?
GHAZARIAN: I don't know. The district attorney is a very competent man. He is a wonderful man. I have nothing but the highest regard for him in Los Angeles County. He has done a great job. When you have news reports, law enforcement is watching and listening, just like the rest of the public.
KING: They're human.
GHAZARIAN: They're human, and you hear it. Once you hear it twice, you want to follow it up.
KING: Still ahead, more on Arnie Klein and Michael Jackson. Plus, an exclusive look on Michael Moore's new documentary. You're going to see it first here. Back in 60 seconds.
KING: Now to our heroine of the week. She's Faith Coleman, a nurse practitioner, mother of six. She started the Flagler County Free Clinic in Benel (ph), Florida. It provides free care to people who are poor and uninsured. Watch.
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KING: What made you get involved in this?
FAITH COLEMAN, NURSE PRACTITIONER: In 2003, I was diagnosed with kidney cancer. And unfortunately, I did not have any health insurance. I had to mortgage my house in order to pay for the surgery. It just weighed on my heart that there must be so many other people -- what would they do if something catastrophic happened to them? I was afraid they would die.
So I decided that I need to do something about this. We opened our doors February 19th of 2005.
KING: You were a nurse without health insurance?
COLEMAN: A nurse practitioner, yes. I was. Isn't that amazing?
KING: What kinds of medical care do they do at the clinic?
COLEMAN: We're treating hypertension, diabetes, chronic obstructive pulmonary diseases, several types of cancer. KING: I understand you and your team of volunteers have provided medical care for an estimated 6,700 patients.
COLEMAN: Yes, we have.
KING: What rewards you must receive out of that?
COLEMAN: We all feel like it's much more blessing to us than what we're giving out. I have a huge army of angels helping us.
KING: By the way, how are you now?
COLEMAN: I'm great. I'm six years out now. And what I say is cautiously optimistic.
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KING: Now that's a hero. Faith, we salute you for all your good work.
Still ahead, an exclusive sneak peek of Michael Moore's new movie, some more comments from our lawyers. Stay with us.
KING: Back with our lawyers for a few more moments. Speculation about the paternity of Michael Jackson's children persists. I asked Dr. Klein whether he could be the biological father. Watch.
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KING: What about all the rumors about you and the fathering of those children?
KLEIN: Here's the most important thing: Michael loved those children as a father. Those children loved him as a father. As far as I'm concerned, that's the most important grouping there is.
KING: That's not answering the question.
KLEIN: No, because I'm not going to answer it the way you want to answer.
KING: You can say no.
KLEIN: I'll say no, if that's what you want hear.
KING: I want to hear what you know.
KLEIN: I will tell you what -- see, because I hear what's most important about this whole thing. The most important thing of who the father is is who the father is -- who the children want their father to be. I will tell you this, I will say no, because the most important person to these children is how Michael loved them and how he loved his children and how they loved him. Because they would never pass without saying, I love you, daddy. He would say I love you. I've never seen such emotional characters --
KING: Earlier in the day, you said you couldn't answer that one way or another.
KLEIN: I still can't answer it absolutely one way or the other.
KING: That means you donated sperm.
KLEIN: I once donated sperm. I don't know -- you have to know --
KING: Did you donate it to him?
KLEIN: No, absolutely not.
KING: You donated sperm.
KLEIN: Once to a sperm bank. But I don't think I should go over my legal affairs. I think, to the best of my knowledge, I'm not the father.
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KING: Richard, do we know, is he the father?
CHARNLEY: One way or the other, it's factually and legally irrelevant in the state of California.
KING: Good duck. Good question. Only time he ducked me tonight. Thanks to both of you.
Michael Moore has a new documentary. It opens October 2nd. We're going to have an exclusive sneak peek of it. You won't see this anywhere else, not even in theaters. Back with Michael Moore's new movie preview, next.
KING: Michael Moore has a new documentary called "Capitalism, A Love Story," opening in New York and L.A. on September 23rd. It opens wide October 2nd. The film will focus on the economy during the transition between the Bush and Obama administrations. Michael has given this program an exclusive sneak peek of it. You won't see this anywhere else, not even in theaters.
Here now, the world premiere of the preview of "Capitalism: A Love Story."
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MICHAEL MOORE, FILM MAKER: This is Michael Moore. I am here to make a citizen's arrest for the board of directors of AIG.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: From Michael Moore -- MOORE: We're actually going to make a citizens arrest.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My supervisor.
MOORE: White shirt, blue tie.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's it.
MOORE: Receding hairline?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The guy who brought you "Bowling for Columbine," "Fahrenheit 9/11" and "Sicko."
MOORE: Who else do you want to leave the building?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your cameraman and your crew.
MOORE: Come on out. They don't speak English. Donde.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This fall, the most feared film maker in America --
MOORE: Can I talk to you, sir, for a second? Can you tell me what a credit default swap is? Can you explain a derivative to me?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- will reveal what happens when Wall Street tanks.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stock markets crash.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bankruptcy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Foreclosure.
GEORGE W. BUSH, FMR. PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: A global meltdown.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And the government bails.
By spending just a few million dollars to buy Congress, Wall Street will give billions.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The motion is adopted.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know who Michael Moore is, don't you, Betty? The film director? He's filming me right now.
MOORE: How did this collapse happen?
REP. BARON HILL (D), INDIANA: I got home on a Friday. Everything was just fine. I called back after my plane landed in Indiana. All of a sudden, we have this crisis on our hands.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There has to be some kind of a rebellion between the people who have nothing and the people who got it all. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Everything was being handled by the Treasury Secretary from Goldman Sachs. They had Congress right where they wanted them. This was almost like an intelligence operation.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is straight up capitalism.
MOORE: Where's our money?
ELIZABETH WARREN, CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT OFFICER: I don't know.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The people here really aren't in charge.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I guess you win.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We want our money back.
BUSH: Capitalism offers people the freedom to choose where they work.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There isn't anything in here. I'm not going to be a gentlemen's club hire dancer.
MOORE: We're here to get the money back for the American people. I have more bags. Ten billion probably won't fit in here.
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KING: Whether you agree or disagree, there isn't a better film editor in the world. Michael Moore will be on this show September 23rd.
Before we go, I want to mention, today's the 50th birthday of my friend, CNN executive Bart Fader (ph). Bart, now that we have just announced you're 50 on worldwide television, you can never lie about your age again. Happy birthday and I love your father.
By the way, tomorrow night, prostate cancer, Michael Milken, John McEnroe, Joe Torre. Prostate cancer is the subject for the full hour tomorrow night.
The subject right now is "AC 360," and the host is Anderson Cooper. Anderson?