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Murdered Model`s Mercedes Found

Aired August 26, 2009 - 20:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. Live to LA, a quiet apartment community reeling after a suitcase discovered in the communal dumpster opened to reveal a female body, identity unsolved for days, much less how she came to be murdered, then thrown away like trash. The body folded inside that suitcase is 28-year-old swimsuit model Jasmine Fiore, brutally beaten, her teeth pulled out of her head, her fingers removed to conceal identity. How ID the body? Serial numbers off Fiore`s breast implants, her body that traumatized.

In a bizarre twist, a reality TV star wanted for the murder found dead in a British Columbia hotel room, 32-year-old Ryan Jenkins`s luxury BMW and empty boat trailer abandoned on the U.S./Canadian border, Jenkins dead, hanging by a belt from this coat rack inside this hotel room, Jenkins traveling with an alleged accomplice, a mystery blonde driving a silver PT Cruiser. She checks him into the hotel while he stays hidden. Was she with him in LA? Did she help in the Herculean task of dismembering and disposing of Fiore`s body?

Bombshell tonight. As we got to air, police confirm Fiore`s missing black-top Mercedes located, abandoned in a West Hollywood parking lot. Is the car the key to a murder scene? And another stunning development, we also learn a PT Cruiser spotted at the luxury condo where Jenkins`s sister reportedly lives. Police interrogate the sister. What does she know?

And in another twist, a Calgary businessman contacted multiple times by Jenkins while he`s on the run. Why? Jenkins`s family adamantly swearing he didn`t do it. Well, then, who did? And tonight, do secret text messages reveal motive for murder? This after video surfaces of Fiore and Jenkins at a luxury hotel just before the murder, seemingly in love.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Canadian police are investigating whether a member of Ryan Jenkins`s family helped him flee to Canada.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Canadian media are now reporting a mysterious blond woman who checked in Jenkins to that motel may have been his half- sister. She is being questioned by the police.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What was very suspicious -- the lady that came, she left and then you never seen her again. And when I took out the garbage, I seen her car, and it was a silver PT Cruiser with Alberta plates.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Affiliate CTV reports an A. Jenkins has a car similar to the one reportedly seen at the motel when Jenkins checked in.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She left. Never seen her again.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She only stayed for 20 minutes and left. She booked for three days.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We actually received a phone call from a citizen who spotted -- potentially spotted the outstanding 2007 Mercedes at 8611 Santa Monica Boulevard in the city of West Hollywood. And the West Hollywood sheriffs responded to that call and have located our outstanding vehicle.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That was the vehicle that they were in at some point just proceeding the homicide. There is evidence that they were together in that car. We want to solve it and put to rest this gruesome killing.

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GRACE: And tonight, live to Oklahoma, a lady pastor found dead inside the church, police calling the crime scene the most horrific in decades. The pastor so dedicated, she drove 60 miles each way every Sunday to preach the gospel. With no report of threat, no sex attack, motive remains a mystery. And now other pastors across the region warned they may be targets. Who -- who -- murdered beloved Pastor Carol Daniels inside the church house?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Inside Christ Holy Sanctified Church, someone committed an unthinkable act, murdering Pastor Carol Daniels.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s news that has devastated a the hearing their loved one, a pastor, has been killed inside her own church. Even harder for family is learning investigators not only have no suspects but few leads.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Caddo County DA Bret Burns called it the most horrific crime scene he`s ever witnessed in nearly 20 years as a prosecutor. He won`t go into detail, but says it was brutal.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The 61-year-old would travel an hour and 10 minutes every Sunday from Oklahoma City to Anadarko to minister to a small congregation. Carol`s mom says she wants whoever took her daughter away to be caught, to not only face a judge but the Lord.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can`t rationalize it. I don`t understand why this would happen. And I want him to have an opportunity to receive the Lord and save their soul.

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. A reality TV star wanted for the murder of swimsuit model Jasmine Fiore found dead in a hotel room. As the search intensifies for the mystery blonde, Jenkins`s alleged accomplice, police confirm Fiore`s missing black-top Mercedes located, abandoned in a West Hollywood parking lot. Is the car a key to the murder scene?

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NADA JENKINS, SUSPECT`S MOTHER: My son is innocent. And I think he panicked. And I`m -- I`m just -- I`m dead. I`m dead inside. I`m devastated. I -- what can I tell you? I love him. He`s my only child!

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Today, cops want to know whether Jenkins`s family is somehow involved. They say a car spotted at that motel matched the description of his dad`s silver PT Cruiser.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A vehicle very similar to that one is now 700 miles to the west of us in Vancouver, British Columbia, parked in the building where Ryan`s half-sister, Alena, now lives.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She parked over there by the dumpster. Like, usually, people come up, park by the room, right? And I thought, That`s odd. She goes and parks by the dumpster, like she doesn`t want anything to do with this guy, obviously. About 10 minutes later, she was long gone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A citizen located the vehicle in the parking lot and thought it matched the description given by the media, and she called the sheriff`s department, who went out there and they verified, in fact, it was our vehicle. We have secured the vehicle. We are towing it to a crime lab facility to process it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Could have just has been easily that it was just a transport vehicle and then she was removed from the car for that heinous activity.

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GRACE: Straight out to Carolyn Jarvis, global national reporter with CNN affiliate Global News. She`s standing by in downtown Vancouver. Carolyn Jarvis, what`s the latest?

CAROLYN JARVIS, GLOBAL NEWS: Well, we found this PT Cruiser today, Nancy, and it raises all sorts of suspicions about who this mystery blonde was who was with Ryan Jenkins last Thursday when he arrived at the motel in Hope. The Patient Cruiser found at the underground garage here in downtown Vancouver has Alberta plates. That fits the description that witnesses say to the PT Cruiser that was used in Hope. And it`s backed, suspiciously, right up against the wall of this underground garage, as if to say, We don`t want anybody to see this license plate. In Alberta, you don`t have to have license plates on the front, so there`s only one identifier right on the back.

Court documents show that Ryan Jenkins`s father, Dan, had a PT Cruiser listed to his name, and the number on the buzzer indicates that a Jenkins does live there. We believe it`s his half sister, Alena. So was there a link? Was she tied to this? Could she be charged with accessory after the fact, or in the States, it would be aiding and abetting? Was she involved? Did she know that her brother was a fugitive, if, in fact, she was a part of this?

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Out to Jon Baird with KNX 1070. Jon, thank you for being with us. I want to talk about the black- top Mercedes and why police believe, now that they`ve found it abandoned in a parking lot -- and it`s in a very unusual spot, too, a place you would not normally look -- why they think that may be a link to a potential murder scene.

JON BAIRD, KNX 1070: Well, they think it`s possible the body could have been inside the trunk. We`re talking about Jasmine Fiore`s body. The police have told me they know that Jasmine and Ryan were in the white Mercedes when they went to that hotel in San Diego on that Thursday night. And the next day, Ryan left the hotel on his own. Jasmine was never seen again.

That car had disappeared. Police were looking for it for two weeks until it finally turned up today. A citizen spotted it in this tiny parking lot in West Hollywood. And we`re talking about a very busy area with this specialty grocery store, a Starbucks across the street. And here it was, wedged in this tiny parking lot next door to the grocery store lot. And someone saw it and said, You know, that looks like the car.

GRACE: So it`s my understanding that it was in a Trader Joe`s parking lot, a kind of a boutique grocery of sorts, across the street from a Starbucks, but that you had to go off to the edge and then down to a lower lot, where you could only park five or six cars.

BAIRD: Well, actually, it wasn`t part of the -- I just went over there. I was there 15 minutes ago. There`s the Trader Joe`s lot right behind the store.

GRACE: Right.

BAIRD: And right next to it is this smaller lot. I walked over to the rail and looked down. They already had TV crews setting up there. And there were just a few spaces, maybe five or six...

GRACE: Well...

BAIRD: ... in this small parking lot behind a building. And it`s no surprise to me that unless someone really looked there and said, Oh, wow -- I mean...

GRACE: You`d never see it.

BAIRD: Exactly. Hidden in plain sight.

GRACE: Joining me also, Corporal Norm Massie, joining us from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. He`s joining us from British Columbia. Corporal, thank you for being with us. What can you tell me about that silver PT Cruiser found in the condo parking lot?

CPL. NORM MASSIE, ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE (via telephone): Well, I can`t tell you anything about it because, as I mentioned before, Nancy, unfortunately, that can compromise -- any details can compromise our investigation. And quite frankly, the investigation, from our point of view, is going well. We`ve identified all the people that we need to speak with at this point, and they are cooperating. So we won`t do anything to jeopardize that by discussing the details of the investigation.

GRACE: So you say everyone you want to speak with is cooperating?

MASSIE: At this point. There may be others that evolve from our conversations, but at this point, the ones that we have identified are cooperating. That`s correct.

GRACE: With me, Corporal Norm Massie from British Columbia. We are taking your calls live.

But tonight, as we go to break, our prayers to the family left behind by best-selling author, "Vanity Fair" special correspondent and friend, Dominick Dunne. At 83, he lost his battle with cancer just a few hours ago.

Dunne befriended me many years ago, confiding that he, like me, was a victim of violent crime. His 22-year-old daughter, Dominique, was murdered, leading Dunne to become a tireless victims` rights advocate. For decades, he covered the biggest trials in the world, including Simpson, the Menendez brothers, Phil Spector. I will never forget the many times he analyzed cases here for me on Headline News and then back at Court TV many years ago.

With five best-sellers, Dunne was a Hollywood producer. He hosted Court TV`s documentary series "Dominick Dunne`s Power, Privilege and Justice." He graduated Williams College. And very important, he was a World War II vet who was awarded the Bronze Star.

At his death, he was putting the finishing touches on a final novel, "Too Much Money." He described it to me just weeks ago when we talked. He encouraged me when I didn`t believe I could finish my own book. I wrote of him in my first book, "Objection," noting that his pen was mightier than a sword. Truer words were never spoken.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Authorities in Canada have identified and are investigating a woman who may have helped Jenkins evade authorities.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Calm as calm can be, very cordial, very calm, no nervousness, nothing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When are they going to arrest her? Because it is a pretty serious crime, even moreso than the United States, to aid and abet a felon after the fact, to help them evade justice. The family can`t have justice now because the guy killed himself. I don`t think anybody deserves to die, but they deserve some kind of justice. And maybe, if she helped him either get here from the United States or hide in that stupid motel, you know, she should be prosecuted!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have to prove that she knew that he was, you know, fleeing from authorities in the United States and that she just wasn`t helping him out and renting him a hotel room.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She parked over there by the dumpster. Like, usually, people come up, park by the room, right? And I thought, That`s odd. He seemed like a little hyper, like, Let`s get in. But then about 20 minutes later, she was long gone.

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GRACE: Who is the mystery blonde? And take a look at what happened to this woman, 28-year-old model Jasmine Fiore. Not only was she murdered, we believe by strangulation, but then she was dismembered, every tooth in her head pulled out, her fingers removed, cut from her body. Did someone help Jenkins dismember and dispose of that body while he went on the run? This investigation is far from over.

We`re taking your calls. To Barbara in California. Hi, Barbara.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. I just wanted to ask you, isn`t it out of character for such a narcissistic person as Ryan Jenkins to take his own life?

GRACE: You know, that`s an interesting point. And I want to go to the specialist, psychologist Dr. Caryn Stark joining us from our Manhattan studios. Caryn, what about it? I`ve got to tell you that all along, several people said, What if he kills himself? And I said (INAUDIBLE) No, no. He`s so into himself, he`d never commit suicide. I was wrong.

CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, Nancy, I really believe that, in most cases, you would be right. But this guy seems to have taken his aggressive impulses and turned it onto himself. So maybe he just got totally out of control, and then he realized that there was no place left for him to run, and he certainly didn`t want to face authorities. And he can be extremely aggressive, and he is narcissistic. He can`t live like that.

GRACE: Or maybe instead of manning up and answering up for what he did -- I mean, he knew Canada would not extradite him back to the U.S. if the death penalty was being sought. He was -- his intellect was such that he would know that. So it seems to me he took the easy way out, wallowing in his own self-pity -- Poor, poor, pitiful me. That`s my take on it. What about it, Caryn?

STARK: Well, that makes sense, Nancy. He is somebody who couldn`t live with that image. There is no way that he could live with anything but what he felt was a perfect guy. He was so manipulative. And I do know that he was aggressive, so I believe he turned it on himself.

GRACE: Out to the lines. Lori, Alabama. Hi, Lori.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi.

GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I wanted to know, was she killed first, or did he cut her fingers off and pull her teeth out before she was dead and tortured her?

GRACE: Dr. Michael Bell, Palm Beach County chief medical examiner, joining us from Miami. Dr. Bell, great to see you again. I assume that that is something that would be able to be determined from the autopsy?

DR. MICHAEL BELL, PALM BEACH COUNTY CHIEF MEDICAL EXAMINER: Most likely, yes, because I would expect to see bleeding or hemorrhage within the soft tissues surrounding, say, her gums, surrounding the teeth, and also at the fingertips if she was killed -- if that type of mutilation was done while she was still alive.

GRACE: I`m sorry, I couldn`t hear you. Could you repeat?

BELL: Sure. I would expect to see hemorrhage around the gums, around her teeth, and also at her fingertips in the soft tissues if this was done while she was still alive, as opposed to if it was done after she was dead.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I seen him once. He had his sunglasses on, baseball cap, and he had stubble on his face and his hair looked a little bit darker. And he looked a lot slenderer, too, like, just from the stress and everything. He nodded at me and then he just went for his walk. I don`t know where he could have went. Then he went up there and then he came back and went into his room.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A citizen located the vehicle in the parking lot and thought it matched the description given by the media, and she called the sheriff`s department, who went out there and they verified, in fact, it was our vehicle. Our detectives are out there, as well, canvassing the area for witnesses and surveillance video. We`re looking for any evidence to the crime, whether it be blood evidence or any other forensic evidence that we can find.

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GRACE: Straight out to Carolyn Jarvis joining us from British Columbia. What can you tell me about his frame of mind, his mental health?

JARVIS: Well, you know, your earlier caller talked about suicide and taking his life -- Ryan Jenkins. I mean, painting a picture of this man is going to be so difficult because he`s not here to answer any of the questions that so many people want badly answered.

But sources close to the Jenkins family tell me that he may have struggled with mental health, that he may, in fact, have tried previously to take his own life, and that aggression was definitely a problem with him. We`ve seen that in the court documents that allege that he may have hit Jasmine, and also those that he pled guilty to in Calgary back in 2005.

So whether or not suicidal tendencies were something that were innate to him or not, we will never know, but there certainly are sources that tell me that may be the case, Nancy.

GRACE: Back to Dr. Caryn Stark. Caryn, isn`t it true that when people try to commit suicide and they`re stopped, that at some point, they`re going to try again?

STARK: Absolutely, Nancy. You can count on it. Unless something has drastically changed, they`re in therapy, they really work on their problems, their tendency to want to kill themselves will remain. You have to take it very seriously.

GRACE: Let`s unleash the lawyers. But first to Mike Brooks, former fed with the FBI, Headline News law enforcement analyst. Mike, long time no see. Welcome back, friend.

MIKE BROOKS, FORMER D.C. POLICE, HLN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Thank you, Nancy.

GRACE: Welcome back.

BROOKS: Thank you, Nancy. It`s good to be back.

GRACE: Mike Brooks, I want to talk to you about two things. Number one, the car, what it`s going to reveal. And number two, do you really think this guy, who seems to be weak -- there`s really no other way to put it. Do you really think that he, on his own, could kill her, dismember her in that fashion -- can you imagine him having the fortitude to remove every tooth out of her head, dismember her hands and dispose of the body? Do you see it? Does that mean that there was an accomplice?

BROOKS: You know, Nancy, you can never count out that somebody was helping him, that he wasn`t acting alone. But you know, the RCMP -- they`re conducting an investigation up there. We`ve now got the car. Now, that car, Nancy, we`re talking possible blood, hair, fibers, trace evidence. And the big thing is it`s in West Hollywood in that Trader Joe`s parking lot. There are so many surveillance videocameras in that area, Nancy, I`m sure that they`re going to probably be able to get the car coming in, possibly see who was in it, and being able to put together a timeline on when exactly that car was parked there and who was in that car, who got out, who got in another car possibly.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jenkins traded a Calgary real estate job for the life of a U.S. reality TV show contestant.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He was perfect for the show, not only are you looking for charismatic, convivial, full of energy and life reality contestants, but they also had to be a fluent, successful.

RYAN JENKINS, REALITY TV STAR: I decided to appeal to all your senses.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jenkins was a reality show contestant on VH1, a show that had 17 wealthy men competing for a woman`s love.

JENKINS: This is going to be the best night of your life.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jenkins was also a real estate developer, investor, and all-around party boy, say people who knew him.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I spent a good amount of time with this guy. I was shocked, surprised.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He ended up with more attention than he could ever have imagined. Accused of killing and butchering his model wife.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I had no red flags whatsoever that he could be capable of this behavior.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He reportedly met Fiore right after the VH1 taping and married her a few weeks later.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is a tragedy. My heart goes out to the Fiore family. No one could have seen this happen. No one could foresee this devastating incident.

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Straight out to a special guest joining us tonight. The casting director who cast Jenkins on "Megan Wants a Millionaire." But first, let`s see Jenkins in action.

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JENKINS: Time with Megan alone was enough to let her get in touch with my deeper side and redeem myself for, you know, some of the silly things I said at dinner.

I guess we`re waiting on my card.

MEGAN HAUSERMAN, REALITY TV STAR: Oh! I hope it`s not declined.

JENKINS: That would suck.

HAUSERMAN: For you.

(LAUGHTER)

JENKINS: We might have to do some dishes.

HAUSERMAN: We?!

JENKINS: Just kidding.

(LAUGHTER)

HAUSERMAN: I`ll meet you at home.

(LAUGHTER)

I`m just joking.

JENKINS: You wouldn`t do that to me. You`re cute.

HAUSERMAN: You`re cute.

JENKINS: So is this the best date ever?

HAUSERMAN: Maybe.

JENKINS: Maybe?

HAUSERMAN: I`ll tell you at the end.

JENKINS: I don`t know if Megan and I have had enough time together for her to actually loosen up and really get to know me.

HAUSERMAN: I feel like you`re manipulating me.

JENKINS: I wanted to show her a little bit of vulnerability to, you know, maybe make her a little more comfortable with me.

This is going to be the best night of your life. Out of all these guys, I`m definitely the most James Bond out of anyone here.

HAUSERMAN: Ryan saves the day.

JENKINS: I need some goggles. I decided to appeal to all your senses. And first, I`d like to start with your mouth.

HAUSERMAN: My mouth is not a sense, though.

JENKINS: So this is your mind.

HAUSERMAN: That`s not a sense either, but we`ll go with it.

JENKINS: OK.

HAUSERMAN: Because you`re so cute.

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GRACE: Stuart Brazell, I hope it wasn`t you that picked out that music that was playing in the background.

Everybody, you saw VH1 "Megan Wants a Millionaire" from 51 Minds Entertainment. Please tell me you didn`t pick out that music?

STUART BRAZELL, CASTING DIRECTOR OF REALITY SHOW THAT CAST MODEL MURDER SUSPECT, RYAN JENKINS: Nancy, I had nothing to do with the music.

GRACE: Thank you.

BRAZELL: I can.

GRACE: That aside.

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GRACE: Let`s go to the larger question. With me, Stuart Brazell, casting director. She cast Jenkins on "Megan Wants a Millionaire." Now, more important, please tell me you were not responsible for not running his rap sheet.

BRAZELL: Nancy, I am strictly the creative process. My job is to get big characters on the show. I have nothing to do with the vetting process. I interview him, I passed those tapes over, that`s where the line stops with me.

GRACE: Now how did you two meet and what about him? I`m trying to get -- because I`m certainly not getting it from watching him in action, all that fake giggling and those used-up lines. They`re so tired. He was putting on that chick. But long story short, what about him intrigued you to put him on -- to cast him?

BRAZELL: You know, Nancy, it was one of the first times that I`ve actually had a potential contestant approach me. You know, he came right over, full of confidence, you can see on that clip from "Megan Wants a Millionaire," he`s cocky. He has those lines.

He was dubbed the smooth operator. He had confidence, he was attractive, he had what I thought would make for great TV.

GRACE: Stuart, just the kind of man I would run from, run from the hills, as if I had seen a monster. Cocky, attitude, coming on to you in such a way. Why?

BRAZELL: Well, luckily, I`m not trying to date him. You know, I was thinking, this is someone.

GRACE: On air. How would it play on the airwaves?

BRAZELL: Exactly, on air, I thought that he was going to make for good TV. He was going to have interactions on the house, he was always going to have something to say. He constantly refers to women as babies. He was a lady`s man. I thought he would come on to Megan. I thought he would make for good TV, simple as that.

GRACE: Let me ask you, now how did you two meet originally?

BRAZELL: Right. So I was in Las Vegas, and as I said, I am not representing the show, I`m speaking for myself, I was part of the casting team. Me and a colleague take the escalator down at the Venetian. You know we step off the escalator. He was on us three seconds later.

"Babies, how are you? What are we doing? Where are we going?" You know very confident, almost -- he was someone that I could just tell from his confidence approaching us that he would make for outrageous behavior on the show.

GRACE: Let me ask you how you respond to Jenkins` father, who said that Hollywood corrupted his son. Now I know he`s obviously turning a blind eye to the fact that his son beat a woman in Canada, another woman, and had been court ordered to counseling for sex addiction.

That was before he moved to Hollywood. So -- but what about Hollywood, and in effect, you and the show, corrupting him.

BRAZELL: Right. I mean, first of all, Nancy, I`d like to say that this shakes me to the core, what has happened to Jasmine Fiore. And my heart goes out to her family. And then hearing Jenkins` mom on the phone, I mean, the despair. It`s unbelievable.

I understand what his father is saying, when you agree to go on a reality TV show, you`re opening that door. Famous, seductive, people can be sucked in. And I think what we need to look at is, how can we better improve this process? What can be done to better prepare people to come off the reality show.

And I think that some post-show counseling could be very beneficial.

GRACE: You mean, when he came off the show, it was a downer when he didn`t make it and he was all broken up?

BRAZELL: I think, speaking from my own personal experience, I was a contestant on a reality show, you go from this sort of, you know, 24/7, you`re working, you`re putting yourself up to be judged, you`re competing, you`re making friends at the same time, yet competing with people.

You`re in this altered world, all of a sudden, you`re thrown back into your real life, but do you know how to function in that normal, real life again?

GRACE: Let`s unleash the lawyers. Susan Moss, New York. Renee Rockwell, defense attorney, Atlanta. Alan Ripka, defense attorney, New York.

Let`s just get down to the brass tacks. Yes, I`m worried about reality show contestants and their emotions when they get kicked off the show -- not. But I`m more worried, Susan Moss, about someone with a history of abusing women not being treated or put behind bars when they should be.

What do you make of this mystery woman, Susan Moss? Do you really think he acted alone?

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY & CHILD ADVOCATE: They found this PT Cruiser by the sister -- you know, around the sister of this loser. I mean, this must have been a family affair. The fact that this exact car, it appears, from the description, and the Alberta license plate, what else could it be? What else could it lead us to think? That he was getting help by his family and they should be prosecuted.

GRACE: Renee Rockwell, I`m wondering if an accomplice was not used back in L.A. because I find it really hard to believe that he could dismember her, that he had the fortitude to dismember her in that manner, all by himself.

RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, just a signature crime himself looks to me like it`s something that he acted alone on. But I`ll tell you that the authorities will be interested, if anybody, especially his family, was involved in him escaping justice, even up to Canada, and that too could be prosecuted.

GRACE: Well, if it`s his sister, they`re going to cut her some slack. Alan Ripka, I don`t see them bringing charges against the sister.

ALAN RIPKA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I don`t either. I think if he called the sister in his moment of need and all she did was drive him to this hotel and left, not knowing he was going to commit suicide, they`ll have nothing to charge her with and they`ll let her go.

GRACE: Very quickly, everyone, we are taking your calls. I`ll see the calls stacking up. We`ll be right to you. But to tonight`s "Safety Tips." An eye-opening PSA brings awareness about the dangers of texting and driving. You may not realize it but texting while driving is so dangerous, it can be fatal, as talking on a cell phone or drinking and driving.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The trail leads directly to the Jenkins family itself. When Ryan Jenkins ran the border in his power boat last week, he headed to Point Roberts, where father, Dan, has one of his numerous homes.

And where police sources now tell us the fugitive from U.S. law was picked up by his stepsister, driving a PT Cruiser given to her by her father with Alberta plates. The car that pulled into the Thunderbird Motel in Hope on Thursday.

The woman behind the wheel, leaving quickly after paying cash for Ryan`s room. On Sunday at noon, Jenkins was found dead by staff, hanging from a coat rack, an apparent suicide. Police believe he died alone.

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GRACE: Straight out to our chief editorial producer, Ellie Jostad. Ellie, what more can you tell me?

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Well, Nancy, we`re finding out now that police are putting together a comprehensive time line of what happened between the time that Jenkins checks out of that hotel in San Diego on Friday morning and the very next morning, when Jasmine`s body is found.

They`re looking through phone records, they`re looking through bank records, trying to find out exactly where he was and when.

GRACE: And of course, Ellie Jostad, if there is an accomplice that helped him dismember and dispose of that body. Certainly, text messages or cell phone calls may reveal who that person is.

Everyone, we are switching gears. We want answers. We are live in Oklahoma and the brutal murder of a lady pastor inside the church house. The police say the crime scene, the most horrific they have ever seen, with sex attack and thievery not reported as a motive.

Pastors throughout the region now warn they may be a target.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Friends say they believe God was saving a special place in heaven for Reverend Carol Daniels. Each Sunday for the past five years, the 61-year-old pastor made the 60-mile drive from Oklahoma City to this Anadarko church. But her murder this past Sunday sent a chill through town.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know what to think. I`m trying -- I mean, who would do this to this woman?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Authorities have focused their investigation in and around the church, looking for clues as to who may have killed the pastor.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are still investigating, still gathering information, still doing interviews. We`re trying to come up with a time line of events that happened Sunday.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: While authorities try to piece together exactly what happened, family and the community are asking why.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We would sit for hours, a couple of hours, every evening sometimes, and we would talk. And that was what she was all about. Was teaching and making sure people would know that God is real and they have an opportunity to serve him.

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GRACE: No, it`s no cathedral, but it is the house of God and she was murdered inside of it, the pastor of this little church.

Straight out to Rob Hoy joining us from Oklahoma City. Rob, what can you tell us? Rob joining us from Newsradio 1000 KTOK.

ROB HOY, NEWS REPORTER, NEWSRADIO 1000 KTOK (via phone): Nancy, thanks for having me on. Basically, what we know right now is that Reverend Daniels was preparing for a Sunday morning service inside of the church when she was killed.

Now the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation is being pretty tight lipped on the details of the crime scene, how she was killed. What we do know right now is that she died from multiple sharp force injuries, that is straight from the state medical examiner`s office.

GRACE: Rob Hoy, joining us from KTOK. Rob, was she in the sanctuary?

HOY: We`re not sure where she was in the church. Like I said, the OSBI is not giving out very many details about where she was in the church, about the crime scene itself, or about how she died.

GRACE: To Mike Brooks, former fed with the FBI. Mike, have you ever, in all of your years in law enforcement, in all my years of prosecuting, I never prosecuted a murder where someone was killed inside the church house.

MIKE BROOKS, FMR. DC POLICE DETECTIVE SERVED ON FBI TERRORISM TASK FORCE: No, I`ve never seen anything like this, Nancy.

GRACE: Sick. Freak.

BROOKS: You know -- but there`s something that`s bothering me. There`s something they`re saying. They`re letting the other pastors in that area know that they could be in danger. So, Nancy, that says to me there`s something unusual about this crime scene, because, apparently.

GRACE: Exactly!

BROOKS: You know, so because if it was an isolated incident, if they thought it was someone she knew, you wouldn`t see a $10,000 reward. You wouldn`t see them telling the other pastors in that area to take precautions. There`s something in that crime scene that`s very unusual that they`re not telling us about, Nancy.

GRACE: That`s an excellent analysis, Mike Brooks. Out to you, Nicole Partin, investigative reporter on this story. What more can you tell me, Nicole?

NICOLE PARTIN, INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER (via phone): Good evening, Nancy. I love your new book. Thank you so much. We do know that District Attorney Brett Burns met with the local pastors today and this meeting was to discuss safety precautions, as Mike Brooks mentioned.

This coming after the murder of the Pastor Daniels there. We know a lot about her. We know that she was a very generous person, soft spoken, a mother of five. No known enemies.

We also know, this is a small town, of only about 6,000 people. They only have a couple of homicides a year. So, basically, everyone knows everybody. They know their neighbors. They`re very accustomed to the neighborhood. So what went wrong, we don`t know.

We do know it was very horrific. We do know that she was a precious woman whose life has been taken.

GRACE: With me right now, a very special guest. The son of the Reverend Carol Daniels, Alvin Daniels is joining us from Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.

Mr. Daniels, thank you for being with us.

ALVIN DANIELS, SON OF MURDER VICTIM, CAROL DANIELS: Thank you for having me on.

GRACE: When was the last time you spoke to your mother?

DANIELS: I spoke to her probably about Friday, I believe.

GRACE: And she was actually in the church, preparing for Sunday services when this happened?

DANIELS: I`m assuming she was. I`m not sure for sure, but that`s what she would have normally been doing.

GRACE: Had your mother ever spoken to you about feeling threatened or any perceived danger in the area?

DANIELS: No. She was very cautious for the most part and she would usually leave the door open in case people came in to worship.

GRACE: You know, Alvin, my mother is our church organist and I can`t tell you how many times she goes over, by herself, to practice on the organ for the following Sunday, and I just can`t tell you how much our hearts go out to you. Not only about the murder, but that someone would do this, as she was preparing to spread the word of God.

Alvin Daniels, what are police telling you? Do they have any leads?

DANIELS: At this point, they`re not telling us much. Just that -- we just found out through this in the paper that there were sharp trauma to her and we are just learning that at this point.

GRACE: Could you tell me about her? Could you tell me about Pastor Carol Daniels? What kind of mother was she?

DANIELS: She was the greatest mother. She was always joking with us and always taking care of us, even giving her last dollar even if she didn`t have it. A very loving mother. I couldn`t ask for a better mother.

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GRACE: 61-year-old pastor, Carol Daniels, truly believed in her message. She has been found murdered in a little church where she preached.

Straight out to Jessica Brown, the PIO with Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation. Jessica Brown, thank you for being with us. What more can you tell us about the search for her killer?

JESSICA BROWN, PIO, OKLAHOMA STATE BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION: I can tell you that OSBI is conducting interviews. We`re collecting evidence. We`ve put out a $10,000 reward for information and that has actually helped us even garner more information, more phone calls to OSBI.

We`re getting in quite a few names of people in the area who live near Anadarko who have been to prison, who have been convicted of similar situations and of course, we`re looking into all of those people.

We gathered a timeline. We know she was last seen at 10:00 Sunday morning and she was found deceased inside that church about noon.

GRACE: Susan Moss, Renee Rockwell, Alan Ripka, I assume that this may persuade a jury to give the death penalty, Renee Rockwell, if and when this goes on trial?

ROCKWELL: Nancy, absolutely. Anything that`s so horrific and so horrible and we can`t discount the fact that although this is a stabbing and it seems to be a very personal offense, this could be just some crazy person that she was counseling.

GRACE: Susan Moss?

MOSS: What type of creature brutally murders a preacher? Let me tell you something, you may not believe in hell, but this person`s going to hell.

GRACE: Alan Ripka?

RIPKA: We need ton the facts before we know whether or not this case moves into the death penalty, Nancy.

GRACE: Of course, Alan, thank you.

Everyone, let`s stop and remember Army Private 1st Class Peter Cross, 20, Saginaw, Texas, left studies at Moody Bible Institute to enlist. Awarded the Afghanistan Campaign medal, the NATO medial and Army Service ribbon, dreamed of being a missionary.

Dedicated school years to mission trips. He loved handing out candy, pens, paper to local kids. Leaves behind parents Michael and Kerry, three brothers, three sisters.

Peter Cross, American hero.

Thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us, and good night from friends of the show, Ana, and Alabama friend of the show, four generations of the Sprayberry And Hanner family. Gail, Tania, Toby, Angie, Charles, Kailey and Mia.

Aren`t they beautiful?

Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night at 8:00 sharp Eastern and until then, good night, friend.

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