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Misty Flunks Polygraph on Haleigh
Aired August 28, 2009 - 20:00:00 ET
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MIKE BROOKS, GUEST HOST: Breaking news tonight in the case of a 5- year-old Florida girl reportedly snatched from her own bed. Little Haleigh Cummings vanishes without a trace. Major developments tonight. The last person to see Haleigh alive flunked a private polygraph, and it`s all after police confirm that Haleigh was not kidnapped by a stranger.
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MISTY CROSLIN, HALEIGH`S STEPMOM/BABY-SITTER: I put her to bed and -- about 8:00 o`clock, and I woke up and she was gone (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Misty Croslin Cummings, upset mom of little Haleigh, last person to see her -- we`re finding out, new polygraph tests taken just last week -- she has failed them.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It indicated that Misty was "deception indicated."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Misty`s consistency is inconsistency.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you know what happened to Haleigh? She answered no again. It was 99 percent deception.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s my understanding that Misty did execute the polygraph and was pressured to do so. Mr. Miller was present and he apparently made the statement that if they did not -- she did not take the polygraph, they were not going to bring the search teams in and search for Haleigh.
NANCY GRACE, HOST: This on the heels of police announcing Haleigh was not kidnapped by a stranger. Croslin changes her story, now saying up to four people in the home the night Haleigh goes missing.
CROSLIN: If people think that I had something to do with it -- if I had something to do with it, I knew where she was, we wouldn`t be sitting here today. We would have her.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The back door has two locks on the door. The second lock which you would have to turn is a tight lock, so it wouldn`t be likely that little Haleigh would have been able to turn the lock and then let herself out the door.
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BROOKS: And breaking news in the brutal murder of a 28-year-old swimsuit model. Police confirm Jasmine Fiore violently murdered in a jealous rage, her body so mutilated, investigators forced to use breast implants to make an ID. A reality TV star wanted for the murder found dead inside a motel room in Canada.
For the first time, the timeline and other shocking details surrounding Fiore`s murder revealed, and we finally learn what investigators found in Fiore`s Mercedes, the site of a violent and bloody struggle. In a heartbreaking twist, it`s confirmed Fiore fighting for her life until the bitter end.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To describe the inside of the vehicle, there was a significant portion of blood that it would appear a violent struggle did occur in the vehicle. It would appear that the injuries that we had originally seen Miss Fiore sustain are consistent with the blood loss that would have been in that vehicle.
There was some hair evidence taken from inside the vehicle on the floor, so there obviously was some hair pulling did take place. There were teeth fragments found inside that -- the original suitcase that she was found in, in the dumpster. There were no tooth fragments found inside or on the floorboard of the vehicle. So along with other evidence, it just did not appear that the fingers were cut off or the teeth were removed in that vehicle.
It was a violent struggle. It would appear that this person had fought back. There was definitely blood evidence at the Delmar (ph) Hotel that they had stayed at, in the patio area. The bloodstains, along with hair that was found on that hotel patio, was confirmed to be Miss Fiore`s.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One thing is for certain, she was killed either in that car or in that hotel room, somewhere in between, and that Mr. Jenkins took her body and dumped it here in Buena Park.
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BROOKS: Good evening. I`m Mike Brooks, in for Nancy Grace. Breaking news tonight in the case of a 5-year-old Florida girl, Haleigh Cummings. The last person to see Haleigh alive flunks a private polygraph test, and she flunks it with flying colors.
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CROSLIN: I just woke up and our back door was open, and we can`t find my daughter.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Haleigh Cummings`s stepmom, Misty, has taken several new polygraphs, and in the words of one observer, she failed miserably.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you intentionally withhold any information regarding Haleigh`s disappearance? Her answer was no. She failed it miserably, with 99 percent deception.
GRACE: Not only does she fail a polygraph, she apparently fails a voice stress test, as well, and refuses to go along with a hypnosis.
CROSLIN: I`m trying to do everything to find her. You know, I`m answering questions I have to because I know I didn`t do anything to that little girl.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There is a back screen door, the one that was propped open with the cinder block, OK? Now, if you see, when it closes, it slams. It makes a loud noise. But if you leave this door, this slowly closes, as well.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She is so arrogant, deceptive and manipulative, she thought she could cheat on and ace a polygraph to detract the attention away from her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This private group, for reasons unbeknownst to me, that are contacting Misty, putting her through polygraph exams, going to the extraordinary and absurd measure of trying to put her under hypnotherapy, and to me, these are dangerous, outrageous tactics that are - - that I certainly can`t stand for, and any responsible attorney shouldn`t.
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BROOKS: I`m Mike Brooks, in for Nancy Grace. Thank you for joining us. And we`re taking your calls live.
Well, we`re back to little Haleigh Cummings. Where is Haleigh? She disappeared without a trace. But the woman you see here, Misty Croslin -- Misty Croslin, the last person to see her -- and again, still with the inconsistencies, failing a polygraph, failing a layered voice analysis.
We`re taking your calls live, but first straight out to T.J. Hart, joining us by phone in Gainesville, Florida. He`s program and news director for WSKY. T.J., you`ve been on it since the beginning. What`s the latest from Satsuma?
T.J. HART, WSKY (via telephone): The latest from Satsuma is that there`s a very upset young lady by the name of Misty Cummings. You see, about a week ago, Mike, the Putnam County sheriff`s office issued a press release. It was on Haleigh`s 6th birthday, by the way. And in that press release, they acknowledged a few things, gave out a few facts, and also put out this little thing for the public -- If any member of the public has any information as to the whereabouts of Misty Croslin Cummings on the night of the disappearance of Haleigh, please come forward and or contact Crimestoppers. They need your information on this.
BROOKS: Really. So...
HART: So a week goes by -- a week goes by, and Misty wants to clear her name. So she -- she approaches Tim Miller with Texas Equusearch, and he makes the arrangement.
BROOKS: Well, T.J., you know, there have been so many, so many inconsistencies with her...
HART: Oh, yes.
BROOKS: ... from the very beginning. And correct me if I`m wrong. Right in the beginning, she and Ronald, if I`m not mistaken, took a polygraph from the FBI. Is that correct?
HART: That is correct.
BROOKS: And so now they put this out, you know, where -- If you saw Misty, let us know, and so she on the defense contacts Tim Miller.
I want to go out to Mark Nejame joining us from Orlando. He`s an attorney for Tim Miller and Texas Equusearch. Mark, again, good to see you. Thank you for being with us.
MARK NEJAME, ATTORNEY FOR TIM MILLER, TEXAS EQUUSEARCH: Nice talking to you again, as well. Thanks.
BROOKS: OK, Mark, Misty Croslin is now upset with Tim Miller and Equusearch. But who contacted whom in this case?
NEJAME: Well, if I could clarify briefly, I was first contacted by Teresa Neves, the grandmother of Haleigh, and that`s how all this came to be. They were very -- she was very concerned that focus had been lost on the child and that she had kind of faded from the public eye. She had come to me and my law firm and asked how we might be able to renew some attention.
So with that, I agreed to meet with her, and Ron and Misty came along. And it was clear that I was only going to be protecting the interests of the child, and we had the idea that we would invite Tim Miller in. So very much the same day that the police had made their announcement that they were going to -- that they had some concerns about Misty, we made an announcement that Tim was going to come back and conduct a search. So that allowed for a lot of renewed interest.
BROOKS: So did Misty actually -- did she approach Tim or was it you that actually called Tim Miller?
NEJAME: No, I called Tim, and then Tim met with her. And then she asked him to allow for the polygraph.
BROOKS: So she asked Tim Miller to take the polygraph, correct?
NEJAME: Sure. Absolutely.
BROOKS: OK. Now, some of the questions -- I mean, it looks like she failed this polygraph miserably. Now, look, I`ve been -- I was an investigator for a long, long time. I`ve used polygraph. I think it`s a great investigative tool. So let`s talk about this polygraph first. Now, the questions -- first question, Did you intentionally withhold any information regarding Haleigh`s disappearance? Answer, no. Result, 99 percent deception. What does that mean, Mark.
NEJAME: Well, I think, in your experience and background, as you have said before, the strength of the polygraph is the strength of the person administering it. And I sought out who I understand to be the very best in central Florida, strong law enforcement background. I`ve had him pass people. I`ve had him fail people, excellent people.
So I agree as, you agree. I`m not a big believer in voice stress analysis, but a good polygrapher who`s got a good, honest background, they`re usually right on.
BROOKS: Right. And the other question -- Do you know what happened to Haleigh? Answer, No. Result, 99 percent deception. Surprised? Question -- Do you know where Haleigh is now? Answer, No. Well, she did a little bit better on this, 95 percent deception. Then the other question - - Do you know who took Haleigh? Answer, No -- 42 percent deception. Now, what did a polygraph examiner tell you about that 42 percent deception, Mark?
NEJAME: I made it a point to stay out of that. We helped develop -- after we went to the facts, we helped develop the questions so they would be pointed and appropriate. I`ve been familiar with polygraphs for about 25 years, so we wanted to make sure we had the right questions so that we could get to the bottom of it.
NEJAME: And what the polygrapher had told Tim, who relayed it to me - - I made a point to stay out of it. They conducted it in my office in the evening when I left. I made it a point not to be there -- but basically, that there were some questions about who else might be involved or who else might know. There`s some confusion as to that last question.
BROOKS: Oh, so she may know. She said -- Do you know who took Haleigh? No. So she doesn`t, but there may have been other people there and one of them may have taken -- I tell you what, anything that she said so far, I`m not going to -- let`s go out to the lines. Sheeba from Illinois. Thanks for calling.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Mike. I just love you to death.
BROOKS: Thank you, Sheeba.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: For everything you`ve ever done, you`re just wonderful.
BROOKS: Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, my question is, did she, Misty, have any transportation that night? And also, was this little girl a bed wetter, where a towel -- or was she tended to be changed multiple times a night?
BROOKS: That`s a good question. Let`s go out to Natisha Lance, producer for the NANCY GRACE show. What do we know about that, Natisha?
NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Our understanding is that Misty did not have any transportation that night. And as far as little Haleigh is concerned, don`t know about her being a bed-wetter, but we do know that she was afraid of the dark, so it would not be likely that she would have gotten up and gone outside on her own.
BROOKS: Very interesting, especially -- she said there was a light on in the house. We`re taking your calls live.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you take a polygraph?
CROSLIN: I did, but I`m not supposed to talk about that. They told me not to talk about that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But you did...
CROSLIN: Yes, I did take a polygraph.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And you passed it.
CROSLIN: I mean, my understanding is I passed it.
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911 OPERATOR: 911. What`s your emergency?
CROSLIN: I just woke up and our back door was open, and we can`t find our daughter.
911 OPERATOR: You can`t find what?
CROSLIN: Our daughter.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The last person to see her, Misty Croslin Cummings, miserably failed lie detector tests.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Misty just said that, you know what, she just wanted to take the focus off of her, felt as though that law enforcement wasn`t being honest with her, that she wanted to clear her name. And she asked me, Is there any way that I can take a polygraph because I don`t trust law enforcement.
So I contacted an extremely reputable polygrapher in the Orlando area that polygraphed her. And of course, she didn`t have the money to do it, so we went ahead and paid for that. And there was just four questions asked. Basically, figured this is going to be a 30-minute polygraph, and it ended up five-and-a-half hours. She failed the questions, I mean, literally, just miserably.
CROSLIN: I`m trying to do everything to find her, you know, answer any questions I have to because I know I didn`t do anything with -- to that little girl. I would never hurt her. I mean, they love me. I mean, they look at me like their mom, you know? They -- you ask little Junior. He`ll tell you, you know? They talk lovely (ph) about me. And I`m so good to them kids.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, it`s my understanding that the waiver stated that she is waiving -- that she has an attorney, Robert Fields, and that she is waiving -- she`s going against my wishes, actually. It`s my understanding -- it was against my wishes -- something to the effect of she wanted to prove herself innocent or something.
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BROOKS: I`m Mike Brooks, in for Nancy Grace, and we`re taking your calls live. Well, we just heard a clip from Tim Miller saying that Misty Croslin doesn`t trust the police. Well, sounds like the police don`t trust Misty Croslin, either, because they want to know, if anybody saw Misty Croslin that night, please contact them or Crimestoppers. So where was Misty? Was she at home? Nobody knows.
And the polygraph she took, four questions -- number one, 99 percent deception, number two, 99 percent deception, number 3, 95 percent deception, number 4, 42 percent deception. And she also took another test and that was a layered voice analysis.
I want to go back out to Mark Nejame. Mark, when did she take the polygraph? What was -- what day did she take polygraph?
NEJAME: I`m sorry, I don`t remember. It was a day or so before the voice stress. She took the polygraph in Orlando. She took the voice stress and the hypnosis in Samsula (ph).
BROOKS: Gotcha. So (INAUDIBLE) Clark was telling me in my ear, it was the 19th of August. So then she took a layered -- I called it voice stress analysis last night, but it`s actually a layered voice analysis.
Right now, I want to go out to T.J. Ward joining us here in Atlanta. He`s president of Investigative Consultants International, and he`s the one that actually evaluated Misty Croslin Cummings with the layered voice analysis.
OK, T.J., you know that I`m not real keen, and you heard Mark -- I`m not real keen. Mark`s not real keen. A lot of people aren`t real keen on this layered voice analysis. So number one, I want you to try to sell me on this, so it`s not some hocus-pocus stuff that I think, you know, like a -- might as well have a crystal ball. And what exactly -- what kind of questions did you ask her, and how was Misty Croslin deceptive?
T.J. WARD, PERFORMED VOICE ANALYSIS FOR CROSLIN: Well, the layered voice analysis is -- everybody`s scared (ph) of it. It`s a 21st century truth technology. And the layered voice analysis is not a question and answer-type test. What it would do -- I asked her specifically, What happened between the 9th of February into the 10th of February, and I let her ramble. And as she rambles, it tells me, it shows me stress. It shows me inaccuracies. It shows me things that she`s talking about that may not be true.
And at the end of our test, it showed that she knew something about the disappearance of Haleigh. And so we have taken it, and not only have we given -- taken this test, but we`ve given this test to law enforcement and allowed them to use this test in the course of their investigation.
BROOKS: But T.J., wouldn`t -- you know, she`s 17 years old. You know, a polygraph monitors vital signs -- heart rate, blood pressure, respiratory rate. This -- you know, she -- wouldn`t she just be under stress going through this test?
WARD: When she takes this test, we -- it takes -- it does a baseline, so we know how much stress she has when she`s taking it. And what it does, her involuntary changes in her voice that she can`t tell, I can see what`s going on from her brain waves and how it comes out of her mouth and what she says and how she says it.
BROOKS: You can -- I don`t get how you can tell what`s going on with her brain waves, but we`ll be back with more to talk more about this layered voice analysis. And we`re taking your calls live.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It could have been any one -- any one of us and our children. Anyone. Nobody knows (INAUDIBLE) psycho or sicko. Nobody knows. They could be anywhere. Anywhere. You don`t know.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you blaming yourself?
CROSLIN: I just know, like -- I feel like that, you know, I wish that they would have took me instead of her, you know, because I could have fought. You know, she`s only 5. She can`t really do anything. And I just wish they would have take me instead of her! What do they want with a little 5-year-old?
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BROOKS: I`m Mike Brooks, in for Nancy Grace. We`re taking your live calls. Well, Misty Croslin Cummings fails a polygraph miserably, also fails a layered voice analysis. And you know, it`s interesting. I -- before -- before I came on tonight, I was looking on FaceBook, on Nancy`s FaceBook page, talking about who was going to be on tonight. And you look at the comments from our viewers, and everybody -- everybody -- thinks that Misty Croslin knows more than she`s telling.
I want to go back out to T.J. Ward, president of Investigative Consultants International. He`s the one that actually gave the layered voice analysis to Misty Croslin. Now, before we went to break, T.J., you said that you can tell what they`re thinking. Help me understand that, please.
WARD: OK. What it does -- well, first of all, I want to tell you this is not voice stress. This is layered voice analysis.
BROOKS: Layered voice analysis.
WARD: And we can use this without the person being in front of us. We can use it over the phone. I can do it from a tape recording. I can put it up to the TV. I can do it without any distractions from the person in front of me.
But we can use this equipment from involuntary changes of the voice, and what happens, the voice processes through from your brain waves out of your mouth, and involuntary brain waves and 2,800 parameters of algorithms, it can tell you what`s going on. I can tell you.
BROOKS: OK. I`m not convinced yet. Let`s bring in a shrink, someone who knows what`s going on inside people`s heads, Lillian Glass, Ph.D. psychologist, body language expert -- could be used in this -- in this -- in these interviews. What do you think about this, Lillian?
LILLIAN GLASS, PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, I`m also a voice analyst. I do forensic voice analysis and body language and behavioral analysis, so I can tell you that you can do this just by looking at Misty. You don`t necessarily need the machine and all of the equipment. So I`m totally with you, Mike.
If you look at the voice pattern, if you listen to her speak, she closes off. She doesn`t speak loud enough. She dies off at the end. But look at her speech -- uh, like, um. That`s always a sign of deception when it`s done consistently. Not always. People say, "like," "um," all the time. But when it`s in context, then look at her body language, looking away, blinking. She has a lot of signs of deception.
BROOKS: I still don`t believe her.
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GRACE: Ronald, has a theory that Misty left the home sometime during the night been disproved?
RONALD CUMMINGS, FATHER OF MISSING 5-YR-OLD HALEIGH CUMMINGS: I`m not sure I believe that it has, Nancy. I`m almost 100 percent sure but I wouldn`t say that and lie to you. I`m pretty sure it has been disproved.
GRACE: Do you believe she left the home and left the children alone, Ronald?
CUMMINGS: Absolutely not.
CRYSTAL SHEFFIELD, MOM OF MISSING 5-YR-OLD HALEIGH CUMMINGS: I don`t know what to make of it. It bothers me but I really don`t know what to make of it. I mean her story has changed several times and now she`s the one that supposedly found the shirt. I mean, it just -- it doesn`t make sense and I know my kids did love her. They told me that and I just hope she would not have nothing to do with this.
MISTY CROSLIN, RONALD CUMMING`S WIFE, LAST SEEN HALEIGH: I just want everybody to know that I didn`t do anything with that little girl. I loved her like she`s my own and I`ll do anything to get her back and if people think that I had something to do with it, if I had something to do with it, if I knew where she was, we wouldn`t be sitting here today. We`d have her and I don`t. I don`t know where she is.
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MIKE BROOKS, GUEST HOST: I`m Mike Brooks in for Nancy Grace.
I want to go straight out to the lines. Sue from New York, thanks for joining us.
SUE, CALLER FROM NEW YORK: Hi, Mike. Always nice to hear your voice on the show.
BROOKS: Thank you, Sue.
SUE: Didn`t she take a lie detector test right at the beginning at the same time that Ronald took one and I believe we had heard from the police at that time that Ronald had passed one but we had not heard the final verdict on Misty. Did that ever come through?
BROOKS: Well, you know, Sue, you`re right. They did take one right in the beginning from the FBI.
Back out to T.J. Hard, program and news director from WSKY. Did we ever hear what the results of that, the early polygraphs were, T.J.?
T.J. HART, PROGRAM & NEWS DIR., WSKY 97.3FM, COVERING STORY: No, Ronald claimed that he passed with flying colors and Crystal said that, oh, yes, I passed, I passed. We`ve never heard from law enforcement confirming that and neither have they confirmed anything with Misty. She goes to the "Today" show she was pretty sure she passed it.
HART: She hadn`t heard anything to the contrary, so there`s a lot of thinking that folks passed the test but then again.
HART: The FBI has it and they`ve not been said yea or nay on that.
BROOKS: Exactly. You know, in cases I`ve had, if somebody fails it, and they implicate themselves, I would have locked them. The last one I did before I retire, I locked the guy up right there for bomb threats. He came down and that was the end of the case, but normally they do not tell you.
I want to go out to the lawyers. John Burris from San Francisco, noted defense attorney. And New York, another great attorney -- defense attorney, I hate to say that, Alex Sanchez.
Thanks for joining us, guys. OK. We`ve got the polygraph failed. Voice stress analysis.
John, has voice stress analysis ever been admissible in court?
JOHN BURRIS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I doubt that it ever has. I mean I can`t say it`s never ever in any jurisdiction around the country, but I can tell you that it certainly hasn`t met the test of reliability to the extent that any court would allow it to come into evidence.
It`s very much like polygraph. There`s so much subjectivity. I think one person mentioned it depends upon who is the person who`s giving the test. I think the same (INAUDIBLE) with respect to the layered voice test analysis so I can`t imagine it coming in any court and certainly not in the case involving this young woman.
BROOKS: Alex, have you heard? I`ve never heard of it. You know, now polygraphs, yes. If both parties say, OK, but I`ve never heard of the layered voice analysis being admitted in court. Have you?
ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No, no. That voice analysis test has not been scientifically established in any court and, therefore, has no value in any particular court at the present time. But hate to disappoint the viewers who are watching the show but this voice analysis, the polygraph, the doc that could examine people`s body language, the hypnosis, that has no value in this case or in a court of law whatsoever.
It`s not a substitute for evidence so until they come to this court.
SANCHEZ: Until they come forward with some type of evidence this case doesn`t appear to be going anywhere at least against Misty.
BROOKS: But, Alex, don`t you agree with me that it is a very good investigative tool, the polygraph?
SANCHEZ: Yes, it`s an investigative tool because you`re getting the person whom you believe may have some information to answer some questions. And maybe you can get them to make some inconsistencies and maybe they may even confess that they committed the crime, but in terms of the polygraph determining that you are lying, that is not coming into evidence, period.
BURRIS: One of the real values of it, the polygraph, is the examination of the person before and afterwards. Generally what happens is the police, once they tell a person that they have -- they`re not being truthful, then that person will generally and sometimes often do, then confess and give out more information.
So the value really -- and when you have a lady who spent five hours, that`s a long time for an examination, I think they really were hoping that doing that five minute -- five-hour period that she would break down and give out more information.
BROOKS: Yes. No.
BURRIS: She did not.
BROOKS: Yes, you know, most polygraphs I`ve had they may be go an hour, an hour and a half, two hours most. But five hours? I`ve never heard.
Now -- now, guys, I want to ask you another thing. She on this private polygraph and the layered voice analysis, she just went ahead and did it. If you were her lawyer, what would you say, whoa, hold on a minute. I wouldn`t have her take it. Would you, John?
BURRIS: No, I would not. Given the fact that she`s already taken one and given the fact that, you know, she`s already talked a lot already there really wasn`t any need for her to do that.
I know her counsel has advised her against it, but given the length of time that has taken place, a lot of emotions get involved at this time, so you -- the chance of getting an unreliable examination is increased by the passage of time and the kind of stress/pressure that she was under.
BROOKS: But you know, I don`t blame Tim Miller at all. If -- you know, if they`re saying, Tim, will you come back and help us search? Now, if I`m Tim I`m going to go, OK, well, look, you submit to a polygraph that I`ll pay for because I don`t want to waste my time, my volunteers and my resources coming back down to Satsuma if you`re not being up front and cooperative with police which sounds like she`s not.
I want to go back out to the lines. Sharon from Florida, thanks for joining us.
SHARON, CALLER FROM FLORIDA: Hi. How you doing? Like your show. My question was, there`s been so many different -- Misty, I thought, was involved from the beginning, number one, but in one of her interviews she has said that she had went and looked under the bed and my question is, how do you look under a bed when the mattresses are laying on the floor.
BROOKS: Natisha Lance, producer of the NANCY GRACE show. Do you recall her saying that she looked under the bed?
NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: I recall Ronald Cummings saying that when he got home he turned the house upside down looking for Haleigh. I don`t recall Misty saying that she looked under the bed. And as you can see they are mattresses that are on the floor.
BROOKS: Right, exactly, and she had to walk past -- if I`m not mistaken walk from her bedroom, the master bedroom, that had a master bath past that, and that`s when she noticed that the back door was open.
You know, we talk about this back door. It was propped open with a cinder block and, T.J. Hart, correct me if I`m wrong, but early on, didn`t Ronald Cummings say, um, I don`t know where that cinder block came from.
HART: Yes, I remember that that being said. There`s a lot of questions about that, that back door as you well know. No sign of forced entry was one. It had been forensically examined at one point in time then when our NANCY GRACE crew with Marlaina Schiavo and Teresa Nieves had gone through the house. And shortly after that, the door was then removed from its hinges and then examined again, so there`s -- there`s still a lot of questions about that.
BROOKS: Yes, you know, and I want to go out to Dr. Joshua Perper, noted chief medical examiner of Broward County and author of "When to Call the Doctor."
Dr. Perper, thanks for joining us.
DR. JOSHUA PERPER, MEDICAL EXAMINER, AUTHOR OF "WHEN TO CALL THE DOCTOR": You`re welcome.
BROOKS: You know, in this case, you know, you always hope that they find this little girl alive, but when it comes to the cinder block, is it possible to get any evidence at all off of a cinder block, even maybe some touch DNA?
PERPER: Yes, it`s possible because even very tiny amount of DNA can be detected and can be multiplied or amplified rather, so most likely they examine it very carefully and they magnify the lenses. They probably also swabbed it and so they should have results whether there was any evidence. If -- just the question of testing and proving whether there is something there or not.
BROOKS: T.J. Hart, we don`t have much time, quickly. The task force that was brought together back a number of months ago to take a look with fresh eyes on this, has it gone anywhere?
HART: Yes, they`re working night and day on this. They have FDLA, they have local law enforcement, FBI is kept in the loop on this. They have well over 138 CDs full of audio interviews. They have tons and tons of books and tons and tons of forensic evidence on this most of which has been analyzed at this point.
They were going to have another roundtable meeting. That has not been deemed necessary since they`re keeping in touch with each other pretty much face to face each and every day.
Nobody wants to get this solved any quicker than the Putnam County Sheriff`s Office and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.
BROOKS: Yes. Well, thank you, T.J. There`s going to be a lot more on this case but right now, are you guilty of being Nancy Grace`s number one fan? Plead your case and send us your story as to why that fan is you.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They`re on video leaving together from the L`Auberge at about 6:30 p.m. They`re leaving together to go to the poker tournament. We have them leaving the San Diego Del Mar Hilton at 2:30 in the morning.
Mr. Jenkins is then seen on video at approximately 4:30 in the morning at the L`Auberge without Miss Fiore. At that point, short time later, he`s seen leaving the room carrying clothing in his hand exiting back and forth to his room and he eventually checks out about 9:00 in the morning. Miss Fiore is never seen after 2:30.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And to describe the inside of the vehicle, there was a significant portion of blood that would appear a violent struggle did occur in the vehicle on the right front passenger`s side. The blood loss appears to be more significant in the backseat area, so it would appear that the injuries that we had originally seen Miss Fiore sustain are consistent with the blood loss that would have been in that vehicle.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It all boils down to a domestic situation that went way out of hand and our investigation has shown that it was as a result of jealousy.
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BROOKS: I`m Mike Brooks in for Nancy Grace. This beautiful swimsuit model brutally, brutally murdered, allegedly by Ryan Jenkins, her former husband.
I want to go straight out to Jon Baird in Los Angeles, a reporter for KNX 1070.
Jon, what`s the latest out there? What`s going on? What kind of things were found in this car?
JON BAIRD, REPORTER, KNX 1070, COVERING STORY: Basically, blood and hair evidence. They think that the car, the white Mercedes that belonged to Jasmine Fiore, the one that was found in West Hollywood a couple of days before, it could very well have been the murder scene.
They said they found the blood and hair and the evidence of a violent struggle in that car but they also found blood and hair in their hotel room in Delmar on the patio and they say they don`t know for sure where the murder scene was, but they seem to lean toward the car.
BROOKS: Now what kind of evidence did they find? OK, we`ve got blood. Now, was it a lot of blood? Was it blood spatter? What kind of blood evidence was in the car?
BAIRD: A lot of blood and blood splatter inside the car and as you heard him say just a minute ago, basically consistent with perhaps being beaten inside the car and with a struggle going on and with head injuries.
BROOKS: So now we know basically -- I want to go straight out, joining us by phone from Buena Park, California, Sergeant Bill Kohanek. He`s a PIO with Buena Park Police Department.
Sarge, thanks for joining us.
SGT. BILL KOHANEK, PIO, BUENA PARK POLICE DEPARTMENT (via phone): My pleasure.
BROOKS: So what kind of evidence -- now, how much blood was in the car? Was it obvious, and who turned -- who told you that the car was in the Trader Joe`s parking lot? How did that all come about?
KOHANEK: Yes, that came from an observant citizen who had seen that vehicle and called it in. They`ve watched it all these news program and was looking for it. Like many other tips this one just happened to prove to be the right one. It`s ironic it happened to be just about a mile, within walking distance of the suspect`s residence. We think he dropped it off just prior to preparing to split to Canada.
BROOKS: OK. Now, in West Hollywood, you know, I`m sure there`s a lot of video surveillance cameras and probably there at Trader Joe`s. Were you able to glean anything at all from any video surveillance?
KOHANEK: No, hadn`t come up with anything on the video angle but we have come up with some witnesses who said that it was there since the day that she was murdered. So just over a week ago.
BROOKS: So looks like -- so it looks like that was the scene, do you think, of her murder?
KOHANEK: It is looking like -- we can`t exactly say, you know, where she was killed, but it certainly was a method of all that destruction. There was, you know, plenty of evidence in that vehicle to show that a horrible struggle occurred, and it was -- everything points to being only at the hands of Mr. Jenkins.
BROOKS: Now, was she -- was she seated in the passenger seat or was she driving the car, do we know?
KOHANEK: It had been most likely she was in the passenger seat, most of the blood was over on the passenger seat. And then in the back -- backseats there was quite a bit of pooling in the backseats and we believe that the suitcase at one point was even possibly laid on the backseat. Probably after this violent struggle.
BROOKS: Aw, so there was -- I mean, that`s a lot of blood. If you`ve got pooling and congealing in the car. That`s a lot of blood.
I want to go straight -- I want to go back to Jon Baird.
Jon, the timeline now, we see them at the hotel. They leave the hotel about 2:30 then about 4:30 he comes back by himself.
BAIRD: He did. I just walked through this with Sergeant Kohanek a while ago. It`s a long summary. It`s so fascinating, though. He comes back two hours later at 4:30 a.m. and practically runs in the door of the hotel.
Then he`s seen on surveillance video apparently moving clothing in and out of the hotel. They think he may have been clearing space in the suitcase for the body?
BAIRD: At 9:30. He leaves the hotel. Drives roughly an hour and a half away to Corona -- Corona, California, and that`s where they think he may have cut off the fingers and the teeth and then he goes to Buena Park and dumps the body.
BAIRD: A witness sees the car go in and out of that alley and then he goes back to their residence up in the L.A. area around 5:00.
BROOKS: Now wasn`t she identified only because of a breast implant? I`ve got a sample of one right here and this breast implant, all these implants have a number, a serial or a number that they could identify and that`s the only way that they were able to identify this woman.
And now, tonight`s "CNN HEROES."
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BROOKS: Now a look back at the stories making the rest of the headlines this week.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A reality show contestant accused of killing his wife in California has been found dead. Ryan Jenkins` body was found at a Canadian motel in Hope, British Columbia. Police say it appears he hanged himself.
GRACE: Before you get sucked into that grisly discovery, what about the discovery of the victim`s body? Thrown away in a dumpster.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The surrounding position of sentence is suspended. You are going to be placed on formal felony probation for a period of 60 months.
GRACE: Bottom line, he beats, no other way to put it, the hell out of Rihanna, and he gets straight probation and community service. Got to pick up trash.
Boy, Judge, you really showed him.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Inside the Christ holy sanctified church, someone committed an unthinkable act. Murdered the Pastor Carol Daniels.
GRACE: I just can`t tell you how much our hearts go out to you. Not only about the murder but that someone would do this as she was preparing to spread the word of God.
ALVIN DANIELS, SON OF MURDERED PASTOR CAROL DANIELS: She was the greatest mother. She was always joking with us and a very loving mother.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Misty Croslin-Cummings told Tim Miller with EquuSearch she wanted to clear her name. So we set up an independent polygraph. He said she failed it miserably.
CROSLIN: I loved her like she was my own and I`ll do anything to get her back.
GRACE: You`ll do anything? Then tell the truth.
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BROOKS: Tonight, let`s stop to remember Marine Private First Class Donald Wayne Vincent, 26 years old, from Gainesville, Florida. Awarded the National Defense Award and Global War on Terrorism Service medal.
He loved hunting and fishing. Remembered for his big heart and the way he touched so many lives. He leaves behind parents, Betty Sue and Lee, a Navy veteran, and three siblings.
Donald Wade Vincent, a true American hero.
Thank you to all our guests and to you at home for being with us. See you tomorrow night 8:00 p.m. sharp Eastern. Until then, stay safe.