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California Fires Force Evacuations; Hurricane Jimena Nears Cabo San Lucas
Aired September 01, 2009 - 20:00 ET
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CAMPBELL BROWN, CNN ANCHOR (voice-over): Tonight, here are the questions we want answered.
Were other young girls abducted by the man allegedly took Jaycee Dugard? One mother sees eerie similarities to her own daughter's disappearance, but is there a connection? She joins us live.
And what about the wife of the man charged with the kidnapping? Who is Nancy Garrido? And how involved is she?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It is very important that we don't make light of her role in this.
LARRY KING, HOST, "LARRY KING LIVE": You think she participated?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, I am sure she participated in this. I am sure.
BROWN: Also, breaking news -- the very latest on the deadly California wildfire. Residents of 10,000 homes had been ordered out. We will talk to one man who barely escaped with his life.
And the very latest on Hurricane Jimena, the dangerous storm headed for Cabo San Lucas.
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ANNOUNCER: This is your only source for news. CNN prime time begins now. Here's Campbell Brown.
BROWN: Hey there, everybody.
Those are the big questions tonight. But we are going to start as we always do with the "Mash-Up," our look at all the stories making an impact to right now, the moments you may have missed today. We are watching it all so you don't have to.
Breaking news now. We are going to start with those wildfires north of Los Angeles. They just keep growing. Listen to the numbers at this hour, 2,500 firefighters, 53 homes, 122,000 acres burned, 10,000 families told to evacuate. And here's the worst. It is only 5 percent contained.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: A deadly California fire is now bigger than the city of Philadelphia. Thousands of firefighters largely cannot stop it.
BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The fire is moving incredibly fast. Over the span of about 10 minutes, the fire must have crept several hundred yards.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Station fire continues its march towards homes, 12,000 of them threatened, more in danger every day.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This family's house was leveled. They returned to salvage what they could.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's stuff. Hold on to some of it for traditions. And you got to remember it's just stuff.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Even when told to leave...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a mandatory evacuation order.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... and facing a wall of flames moving at 15 miles per hour, some people's instincts are different.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My philosophy and my daughter's philosophy was we're going to go down with the ship.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They take their lives in their own hands when people choose to stay. And we will take next of kin and ask where their dental records are stored.
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BROWN: And that's all from what's called the Station fire. After six days of extreme heat, the weather might provide a break, dropping temperatures to the low 90s, still pretty hot out there.
A different threat, though, we also want to tell you about tonight, south of the border of on Mexico's Baja Peninsula, Hurricane Jimena now down to a Category 3 storm, still though very dangerous. It is expected to hit Thursday morning. We are going have a live report on exactly where it is headed coming up.
The latest now on the Jaycee Dugard case. We heard today for the first time from an FBI agent who witnesses the emotional reunion between Jaycee and her mother. You're going to hear from him coming up shortly.
But for now, police say that they are done digging up the backyard of the Garrido home. They found a bone fragment we told you about yesterday. No word yet if it is a human bone or from something else. We are also today learning much more about the suspect, Phillip Garrido. Heard over and over again, this man is a monster.
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SANCHEZ: Garrido was already a convicted sex offender.
Look at what he said about himself during his 1977 rape trial 12 years before Jaycee was abducted. He said -- quote -- "I have this fantasy that was driving me to do this inside me of, no way to stop it."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thirty-three years ago, Garrido was convicted of kidnapping a 25-year-old Katie Callaway. He took four hits of LSD and raped her in a rented storage unit similar to this one.
KATHERINE CALLAWAY HALL, RAPE VICTIM OF PHILLIP GARRIDO: And pull out handcuffs and handcuffed me and said, "I just want a piece of ass. If you are good you won't get hurt."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Other women from Phillip Garrido's past are coming forward.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is a monster.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Christine and Phillip Garrido were high school sweethearts. In 1973 at age 19 they eloped. Murphy (ph) says life with Garrido quickly became a nightmare.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He started getting controlling. He started hitting me. He smacked me.
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BROWN: And another question heard over and over today, why wasn't Garrido, a convicted sex offender, still in jail?
"America Most Wanted"'s John Walsh.
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JOHN WALSH, HOST, "AMERICA'S MOST WANTED": No one has come up with a serious treatment program that can guarantee society that these guys are going to be OK when they come out. And it is all about dollars. You and I always talk about this.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
WALSH: It is the dollars. Parole officers make about what -- a little bit more than sanitation workers. It is about the dollars. Do we really care about the Jaycee Dugards? Do we care about their safety? Do we care that these guys are out on the streets? Shouldn't we monitor them better?
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BROWN: Garrido was released after just serving over 10 years of a 50-year sentence. Coming up, we're going to hear about a case strikingly similar to Jaycee's and why the mother of another missing girl thinks Garrido could be involved.
We want to turn now, though, to the war in Afghanistan, a new CNN poll. The numbers reveal that opposition to the war is at an all-time high. And they come the day before President Obama gets a new report from his top commander.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: General Stanley McChrystal says the situation in Afghanistan is serious, but that success is achievable. Now, that statement comes just as he delivered a new confidential report that is said to detail a revised strategy to beat the Taliban.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What he wants to do is revise the plan. He really wants to focus on the population of Afghanistan. He said things are getting very serious there.
ED HENRY, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: We are told by Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary, the president is going to have this new report by General McChrystal, bring it to Camp David with him tomorrow. He's got a lot of tough decisions ahead about whether to send more troops or not.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What are the indications that the White house is feeling the pressure?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They really are caught between a rock and hard place when it comes to Afghanistan right now.
HENRY: And right now the public's mood is very sour on the war in Afghanistan. Take a look at this. Right now our poll today is showing that opposition to the war has reached an all-time high. Only 42 percent of Americans support the mission right now.
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BROWN: Fifty-seven percent of Americans say they oppose the war. That's up 11 points since April and the highest number since the war started in 2001.
President Obama was briefed today on how prepared we are for another H1N1 outbreak. He said he wants Americans to be prepared but not alarmed. Then he took time from his vacation to talk what he calls common sense. It's advice we have heard a lot lately.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Stay home if you are sick. Wash your hands frequently. Cover your sneezes with your sleeve, not your hands.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: Always wash your hands.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: Yes, come on. Wash with Elmo. Wash. Wash. Wash.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Wash their hands.
MICHAEL BLOOMBERG (I), MAYOR OF NEW YORK: Washing the hands regularly.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Wash your hands. Stay home if sick.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Washing your hands, coughing into your sleeve.
MALVEAUX: Washing your hands, covering sneezes with a sleeve.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: When you have to sneeze or cough, do it into the bend of your arm.
UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: Sneeze into your arm with Elmo. Achoo.
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BROWN: You saw New York Mayor Bloomberg there. He announced today that elementary school students will get free H1N1 vaccine shots in New York. But the vaccine won't be available until at least mid- October.
Now to the lifestyles of the rich and infamous. We got a look at in -- or we got a look, rather, inside swindler Bernie Madoff's Long Island beach house. The government put out the for sale sign and is giving tours.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What we have here is a four-bedroom, three- bath house. The living room, the kitchen, and the master bedroom all own a view of the ocean.
From the master bedroom, it leads out to a porch over here with an amazing view, left to right, nothing but ocean shoreline.
Well, market value is $7 million. And that's what we are looking for. What we gain from the sale of this house is going directly to restitution for the victims.
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BROWN: You saw the biggest selling point there. Hard to find a view like that. The negative is apparently no garage and not a single walk-in closet. How did they manage to live there?
Before you watch this next story, we have a promise for you. It does have a happy ending. A skydiver with a camera, not so unusual, but it is when his chute won't open. Here it is, courtesy of "The Early Show." Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I looked up at my canopy, closed may eyes, and very, very calmly thought to myself, it is all over.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lines twisted. The main parachute hadn't fully deployed. He cut it free. And at about 2,000 feet above earth and falling fast, he deployed his reserve parachute, which also failed.
With no control over his descent and just limited breaking power, Lewis says he blacked out. His reserve chute luckily guided him to a hard landing on a relatively flexible metal roof, with neck and arm injuries, but no broken bones. But he says it was his last jump.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's luck for you. And I just feel that, if I jump again, I'm pushing that luck too far.
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BROWN: Yes, indeed, no more jumps for Paul Lewis. A very good idea there, Paul.
And that brings us to the "Punchline" tonight. It is courtesy of David Letterman and Conan O'Brien, who both have something to say about their TV hometowns.
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DAVID LETTERMAN, HOST, "THE LATE SHOW WITH DAVID LETTERMAN": Here in New York City, you go down to the subway, it is hotter in the subways than anyplace else in the city.
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LETTERMAN: Of course, it is hotter in the subways. That's the first level of hell.
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LETTERMAN: It's going to be hotter.
CONAN O'BRIEN, HOST, "LATE NIGHT WITH CONAN O'BRIEN": It's crazy to be living here now, Los Angeles literally surrounded by wildfires. Now, did you hear this? There's a Category 4 hurricane headed towards the California coast, not to mention mudslides are supposed to follow the hurricane, and we're overdue for an earthquake.
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O'BRIEN: That's what they are saying, all of which raises the question, why the hell did I move here?
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O'BRIEN: Well, I'm here in Los Angeles.
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BROWN: Conan O'Brien, everybody. That is the "Mash-Up."
When we come back, wildfires, they continue to scorch hundreds of square miles in Southern California. We have a live report from the scene. And we are going to talk to one homeowner who lost everything.
Plus, investigators searching today for connections between Phillip Garrido and other missing girls. Was he involved in other abductions?
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ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: One of the victims is 9-year- old Michaela Garecht, who disappeared in 1988. Her mother says investigators are comparing notes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have been asked a few questions about it regarding evidence, along the lines of what kind of clothing Michaela was wearing.
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BROWN: You are looking at live pictures of the Station fire north of Los Angeles, which has already scorched more than 122,000 acres, about 190 square miles. The numbers staggering, but that's not the only wildfire burning in the state. There are wildfires throughout the Los Angeles area near San Bernardino.
CNN's Ted Rowlands is live for us in Tujunga, California.
Ted, just give us a sense for what their strategy is. How are they going to stop this?
TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Campbell, actually some good news.
Over the last few hours, Mother Nature's really contributing in the sense of humidity. There's very little wind and has been for the entire life of this six-plus day fire, the Station fire. But throughout Southern California, humidity levels have gone up dramatically today and last night and it gave firefighters an opportunity to really get the upper hand in a number of communities.
In fact, La Canada and La Crescenta, those were the two first major cities that were evacuated, those residents have been told they can go back to their homes tonight. So, that's the good news. It's no consolation, obviously, to the people like the ones behind me that lost everything.
BROWN: And, Ted, I know that people aren't the only evacuees. Apparently, right now, it is happening as we speak. There are these two animal reserves that are also under threat and that they are in the process of evacuating. What can you tell us about that?
ROWLANDS: Yes. This is still in the Tujunga area, different from the area where the folks are being let back in. This is still in the danger, the fire area.
And there's one preserve that has hundreds of exotic animals. And you can imagine the task of trying to get these animals. We're talking about literally lions, tigers and bears. And they are getting them into semitrucks, trying to first tranquilize them ,then put them into cages and get them out. It is a task that they started a few days ago and continues today.
They say they are down to less than 100 animals. They have gotten about 300 out, but a monumental task. Unfortunately, all of the animals in the fire's path didn't survive. In fact, there was a horse and some other animals here, back here, that residents lost to this fire.
BROWN: All right. Ted Rowlands for us.
And as Ted was talking, we were showing people pictures of that evacuation that we said is going on at this hour.
Ted, appreciate it.
The residents of 10,000 homes in the path of the Station fire have been ordered to get out.
Earlier today, I talked to one of the homeowners, Bert Voorhees, who had to run for his life, literally run for his life. He lost everything when his home in Tujunga was destroyed.
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BROWN: Did you get to see your house?
BERT VOORHEES, LOST HOME IN WILDFIRE: Well, there really isn't a house to see.
BROWN: What's left of it, I should say.
It is -- it looks like -- I don't know, Dresden or something out of books. You know, it is completely bombed out. There's -- like, at my house, there's a water tank standing. There's a brick patio and a few -- the bricks that are along one wall and nothing else is standing. The fridge is completely sort of melted and cracked open. And there's nothing.
I mean, it is really -- there's just ash. We went to my ex- wife's place. That had burned a little more coolly, I think. And she was able to retrieve some china and whatnot. But there's nothing left of most of these homes.
And the canyon -- I mean, the area around the homes is even more destroyed than these homes, which have been reduced to total rubble. But you look -- the hillsides are just baked earth, scorched stones and ash. There's, every once in a while, you know, a six-inch twig that used to be a giant Manzanita bush. But that's about -- it is just gone.
BROWN: All right. Bert, we do have some pictures of your home or what's left of it that I want to share with people. Let's put them up on the screen. And just tell me what it felt like when you were able to go back and see that.
VOORHEES: You know, I think it was difficult for -- all the people who were in there were people who lived there.
You know what it looked like just a few hours or days ago. And it was this beautiful place. And it is really gone. And it is not just the loss of the house and the belongings. I mean, we got out -- some of the most irreplaceable things came out with us. Some people had enough time to do that. Others didn't.
But it is also you have lost, you know, this environment. I mean, I think most people live out there in part because they are surrounded by this beauty. And, you know, it is scrub chaparral. It's supposed to burn from time to time. But, you know, it will be two years before that looks anything -- you know, it looks anything -- you know, it looks like anything other than a lunar landscape.
It really is like the backside of the moon right now. And it will be 10 or 20 years before real trees come back in that area.
BROWN: Yes.
VOORHEES: It is just -- and I think for all of us, it is like you are partly in shock. You are seeing it, but you're not seeing it. I'm looking and I'm seeing all this ash, but a part of me -- you know, your brain knows because you have lived there all this time that, just right over there, just out of your vision, there's green trees and the stream and birds and deer. And then you turn, and it is -- there's -- that's not there.
BROWN: You have to be grateful, though, given the danger of this fire, the real danger, that you were able to get out with your family.
VOORHEES: Oh, totally.
You know, and the other thing, you know, I have said to several people that, you know, I asked my daughter yesterday, you know, how are you doing, how are you feeling? Because she -- the only two houses she has ever lived in are mine and my ex-wife's. And they are right next to each other's. She lost two houses in one day and the only two houses she has ever lived in.
And I know it has been really difficult for her. And she has cried some. And she was starting high school today. So, it is like, you know, the triple whammy. And she looked at me and said I feel humbled. I said, really? And she said, yes. She said so many of our friends have called us and e-mailed us and they have given us things. And I only have this shirt and this T-shirt because of a friend came and said I know you got out with like one shirt and a T-shirt. Here is another shirt and three other T-shirts.
And a friend of ours bought a gift card for Audrey (ph), so that she could buy a few outfits before she went to her first day of high school, and so she could feel good about herself. (END VIDEO CLIP)
BROWN: That was Bert Voorhees, one of the homeowners who lost everything in the Station fire.
Hurricane Jimena also taking aim at the Mexican resort down of Cabo San Lucas tonight. The storm could be a major hurricane when it does make landfall. We have got a live report on that coming up.
And later the wife of a man charged with abducting Jaycee Dugard is facing the same charges. Just who is she, Nancy Garrido? What was her role in the crime?
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BROWN: New details coming out tonight about the reunion of Jaycee Dugard and her family. And here's a disturbing thought. Maybe Jaycee wasn't the only one. Two kidnapped girls, the same M.O., could it be the same suspect?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The method of the kidnapping was the same. They were both dragged into cars. The description of the cars was very similar. The girls looked very much like each other. There have been points in the past where the investigations have crossed with the same suspects.
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BROWN: New developments today in the case of Jaycee Dugard, "People" magazine reporting that Jaycee's daughters have just found out that she is their mother and not their older sister.
We have also learned that investigators are now talking to the families of other missing girls looking for links to Phillip Garrido.
Meanwhile, the FBI agent who has been on the case from the beginning says Jaycee and her mother are overjoyed to be reunited after 18 years.
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CHRIS CAMPION, FBI: When I called her, she was beside herself with joy. And I was present when she was reunited with Jaycee yesterday morning. It was a very emotional scene. Both -- both of them were just overjoyed to be with each other again.
And there's going to be a period of adjustment, no doubt. But they are they are doing very well at this point, and the two daughters are probably has happy as Jaycee is to be part of this family as well.
(END VIDEO CLIP) BROWN: CNN's Dan Simon is in Antioch, California, outside the home where Jaycee and her daughters were held captive.
And, Dan, I know you spent the day talking to the parents of other girls who disappeared in the area. What are they telling you?
DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Campbell, first of all, we can end the speculation on one front. And that is authorities had been looking to see whether or not Phillip Garrido might be involved in the murders of some prostitutes, those murders taking place in the 1990s. Well, police came in and looked at all the evidence and, bottom line, they say there is none, so nothing there.
Second, with respect to some missing children in the area, some parents, of course, looking at this case very closely, and local police confirming that they are looking at Phillip Garrido to see if in particular his case might bring closure to some families. Put it that way.
In particular, they are looking at the case of Michaela Garecht. She was 9 years old when she was taken back about 20 years ago. And her case is noteworthy for this reason. She was abducted in a similar fashion as Jaycee Dugard, taken in a car. And she also looks similar to Jaycee. She has blonde hair and blue eyes.
And, finally, the composite sketch of the suspect in that case, according to police, bears a striking resemblance to Phillip Garrido -- Campbell.
BROWN: All right, Dan Simon for us.
And to that point, we want to bring in right now the mother of that missing girl that Dan was just talking about, who believes that there, in fact, is a connection between the cases of her daughter and Jaycee Dugard.
Sharon Murch's daughter was abducted at the age of 9. That was almost 21 years ago, and Sharon has heard nothing from her since.
Sharon, thank you so much for joining us. I appreciate it.
SHARON MURCH, MOTHER OF MISSING GIRL: Thank you for having me.
BROWN: I know that police have been talking to you asking for more information about your daughter and including things like the clothes she was wearing when she disappeared. Your daughter, Michaela, was kidnapped a few years before Jaycee. But walk us through the similarities that you see between these two cases.
MURCH: Well, they were both kidnapped in front of an eyewitness. They were both pulled into a car. The description of the car has always been similar. And I have received a phone call from the eyewitness to Michaela's kidnapping who said that she saw Garrido's car on television and that it looked to her like the car that Michaela was kidnapped in. The girl looked very similar. There have been times in the past where there have been joint suspects in the cases because of the similarities and I'm going to say that this is another one.
BROWN: And I do understand that they found Jaycee. This was only 30 miles from where your daughter was taken. Right?
MURCH: Right. She was found in the San Francisco Bay Area which is where we live.
BROWN: We also have these sketches of the suspect in your daughter's kidnapping, and Phillip Garrido. And it is many years later but, you know, if people can see it there on the screen, do you believe that the sketches look similar?
MURCH: Well, I can see that there's similarities in the planes (ph) of the face. As you said, it's many years later and I really have no idea what Garrido looked like 21 years ago. But it's certainly possible.
BROWN: I know that Jaycee's rescue has raised your hopes that your daughter might also be found. Tell us why you feel that way.
MURCH: Well, even before this happened, I had been feeling that Michaela might still be alive, that she might still come home. And after 20, 21 years, people sometimes think that that's silly to think that. And when Jaycee suddenly came home alive, then it proved that it is possible. If she can come home alive, then Michaela can come home alive.
I also believe that there are possible ties in this case because I have heard of a neighbor who reported to the police that there were girls living in the backyard. And she said that there were five girls living in the backyard. And Jaycee and her two daughters make three. So that leaves two that are unidentified. And it seems to me that one of them could be Michaela.
The witness gave the ages of the girls which -- that she saw, estimates which match up to the ages of Jaycee's children now, but this was several years ago. So they would have been younger at that time.
BROWN: Sharon, have the police in your conversations with them, have they given you any indication in what they've told you or the questions they've asked you that you may have reason to hope?
MURCH: The police have told me that there are a lot of questions that need to be answered still and that they are very interested in pursuing this. And if there -- if there was no cause to believe that there was a connection here, then they would not be doing that.
BROWN: Well, Sharon, I wish you all the best in this. I hope that there is a positive outcome here. Best of luck to you in this.
MURCH: Thank you.
BROWN: Because I know it can't be easy. Thank you very much. Appreciate your time tonight.
MURCH: Thank you.
BROWN: Phillip Garrido's wife, Nancy, faces the same charges he does in the abduction of Jaycee. Tonight, we are digging into how she may have been involved in this horrible crime. And taking a closer look at this woman behind the alleged kidnapper. That's when we come back.
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BROWN: Nancy Garrido is the mystery woman in the Jaycee Dugard case. We know she is the suspect's wife. But how did she fall for this guy? How involved was she in his alleged crimes?
55-year-old Nancy Garrido has been called plain and modest as well as a robot who was under the control of her husband, Phillip. But she's also been called a monster for her alleged role in the kidnapping of 11-year-old Jaycee Lee Dugard.
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: He told the London Telegraph that his wife, Nancy, is the real monster. Explain that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I say she was equally as responsible --
COOPER: What was she like?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was just -- she didn't talk very much. She was, you know, a little standoffish. She didn't say very much. I just say that they owe equal responsibility to the both of them. They don't never need to see the light of day, in my opinion, but let's help these girls on a recovery.
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BROWN: Joining me right now from Los Angeles, clinical psychologist Michelle Golland. She's dealt with domestic abuse cases. Also CNN legal analyst Lisa Bloom joining us as well tonight.
Hey, guys. Thanks for being here. Michelle, let me start with you.
People have been asking -- all of us have been asking how could anyone, let alone a man's wife, go along with something this horrible for so long?
MICHELLE GOLLAND, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Right.
BROWN: I mean, give us some insight into this thinking.
GOLLAND: I know. You know, Campbell, I think what is really happening is our understanding and awareness of female sexual predators and sexual offenders is what is coming to light. I mean, she is a sexual offender and sexual predator. That is why she is being charged in the same manner as Phillip. I mean, to me it is simply a couple. There are three types of female sexual predators that have been studied. That's the teacher-lover category. That's the like the Debra Lafave. There's the predisposed. That's the Melissa Huckabys. And then we have Nancy, and she is the male coerced or coupling of offenders that go on.
And women sexually abused can be as sociopathic as men. And we need to really be aware of that.
BROWN: And, Lisa, you know, Nancy wasn't just covering up her husband here. I mean, to that point, she is being charged with the same crimes including rape...
LISA BLOOM, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Yes.
BROWN: ... false imprisonment by violence. Police also believe she was the initial abductor. Are you surprised by the alleged extent of her involvement?
BLOOM: I am. We know from the 2007 Justice Department study that of adults arrested for rape only one percent are female. We do hear about them in the news. The teacher cases, the Melissa Huckabys and now this. But this remain unusual.
And, Campbell, you're right. She's accused just like her husband of rape. Not as a co-conspirator, not as an accessory after the fact, but as a rapist herself. So we have to keep very clear eyed about what she is accused of. She's accused of perpetrating a sexual assault herself on these girls.
BROWN: Right. Nancy, you know, she met -- or rather, I'm sorry, Michelle, Nancy met Phillip Garrido in prison.
GOLLAND: Yes.
BROWN: This was at Leavenworth (ph).
GOLLAND: Yes.
BROWN: And he was serving 25 years for rape when she met him.
GOLLAND: Right.
BROWN: Can she fall for him and married him?
GOLLAND: Right.
BROWN: And what draws these people together?
GOLLAND: The personality. Right. The personality type of a woman who gets into the male coerced sex offender perpetuator category is a woman who is dependent, has low self-esteem, probably depression, has difficulty in relationships. Obviously, marrying someone in prison constitutes that. And again, I actually -- there's also studies that in 2007, the sexual offenders management found that nearly 4,000 women were in sex offender treatment and nearly 3,000 juvenile females were in sex offender treatment.
So I think we have to understand that there -- you know, in the scheme of what sexual offenders do, I guess like what Lisa was saying, it's a low percentage but there's also an underreporting that goes on about female sexual perpetrators. So we have to be aware of them.
We may actually with all these news reports and things happening, we may be getting higher reports of it.
BROWN: And, Lisa, you know, at one point, a couple of years after Jaycee is being kept prisoner, he goes back to jail for four months. Nancy then, the wife, is left with Jaycee.
BLOOM: Right.
BROWN: I mean, that has got to be some pretty compelling evidence in a trial. Right?
BLOOM: Absolutely. She was the only captor at that point as these three girls are being held captive. And, you know, we can talk about her low self-esteem and the fact that she's passive and she's male coerced and all of these terms. And I'm sure that they're correct. But let's be clear that legally probably none of that is going to matter. It certainly doesn't rise to the level of insanity defense, which would be that she's not capable of controlling her actions.
In fact, she was part of this household that constructed this elaborate labyrinth in the backyard. These people knew very clearly what they were doing.
GOLLAND: Right.
BLOOM: They were hiding it from authorities. They were clearly of sound mind, and so I don't think any kind of diminished capacity or insanity defense is going to help them as a defense at trial.
BROWN: And, Michelle, even though she --
GOLLAND: No.
BROWN: Let me just go to this point. She was allegedly committing these crimes but in a way you think she also played kind of a sort of mother role to these daughters as well. Right? To Jaycee's daughters?
GOLLAND: Well, I think that's exactly what she did. She did play the mother role and actually it's exactly what I had predicted which is that she -- you know, I think part of abducting Jaycee and having her bear her children is the fact that she either didn't want to have children, bear them, or that she couldn't. She was 35 by the time that she met him, so she used Jaycee basically to get children from her.
And then she -- I really think what really was happening was the family, nuclear family, if you will, was Jaycee, Phillip and the two girls living in the house and Alissa (ph), Jaycee -- Nancy living in the house and Jaycee living in as sort of like the slave caretaker.
BROWN: Right. I should mention, though, we don't know anything about her ability to have children, though. But final question, I guess, Lisa --
BLOOM: Right.
BROWN: Does having a wife add veneer of respectability to a sex offender? I mean, are neighbors, officials less likely to be suspicious and, therefore, it makes her, you know, horribly a good cover?
BLOOM: It sure does, Campbell. In fact, neighbors have said that we thought he was a creepy guy. He seems strange to us, but he has this wife and so we overlooked a lot. Other neighbors have said because of Megan's Law they knew he was a sex offender. They called the police and the police never checked the backyard, tragically.
But this is certainly a wakeup call to all of us to call the police if there's any question about children in our neighborhood being abused.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
BLOOM: And don't let the fact that there may be a woman in the household cover up what could be going on to the detriment of kids.
BROWN: Absolutely. Lisa, Michelle, thanks so much.
GOLLAND: Absolutely.
BROWN: Appreciate it.
BLOOM: Thank you.
GOLLAND: Thank you, Campbell.
BROWN: It is breaking news tonight. Hurricane Jimena closing in on the resorts along the Baja peninsula. We're going to have a live look at the storm zone and the latest on a new storm forming in the Atlantic when we come back.
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BROWN: Breaking news tonight out of Mexico where Hurricane Jimena is taking aim at the resorts along the Baja peninsula. The National Weather Service warns the storm could be near major hurricane strength when it does make landfall.
Meteorologist Chad Myers is keeping an eye on the storm's track for us. We're going to check in with Chad in just a moment. But first let's go check in with CNN's Gary Tuchman. He has just gotten to the town of Los Cabos in Mexico and is joining us live.
And, Gary, I know you got there earlier today. Tell us what you're seeing. GARY TUCHMAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Campbell, the winds are picking up. The power is flickering on and off. Hundreds of thousands of people in all of Mexico are watching very carefully. Thousands of people are subjected to a mandatory evacuation order, and there are lots of tourists who are still here in this hotel where I'm standing now.
There are about 205 tourists who've been isolated in a conference room. That's where they're supposed to spend the night because of a possible danger here. But there is -- and we emphasize some optimism. And that's because yesterday at this time, it could have been a Category Five hurricane. It was on Category Five coming right towards Cabo where we are. Now it looks like it's heading to the west. It's Category Three so there is a sense of relief, Campbell.
BROWN: But are -- is there, I guess, some sense of urgency? Are people still taking the threat seriously?
TUCHMAN: Well, no question. Category Three is still a major hurricane. That's not a Category Four or Category Five. That being said, there are 164,000 residents here in Baja, California. Sure. It seems like most of the people who have evacuated the streets are very quiet. It rained very heavily before. Many of the roads are impassable and very muddy, and it was very quiet. Not a lot of people driving around, although we did see some people coming back when they heard it wasn't going to be a Category Four or Category Five.
One more thing I want to mention to you, Campbell, which is kind of interesting. The governor here of Baja, California, state near Mexico, has banned alcohol sales during the duration of this.
BROWN: OK, that is interesting. Let's go check in with Chad Myers for the latest on where this is headed. Chad, what do we know?
CHAD MYERS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: It is going to miss Cabo per se with the eye wall at least. With all that said, this is still going to be a big rainmaker and a flood maker for the entire peninsula and really into Chihuahua as well. But there you go. There's Cabo San Lucas. About 100 miles offshore is the eye right now. This is as close as it's going to get. This is as bad as the wind will get but maybe not as bad as all the flooding will get.
It will transfer itself a little bit farther to the north, but it will not bring any rain to California. Just is not going to get the moisture that far to the northwest, Campbell.
BROWN: And, Chad, I know you're also following Tropical Storm Erica. What are you -- which is cause for concern or may soon be, I guess?
MYERS: Yes. Brand new storm. It only developed at 5:00 here. Winds at 50 miles per hour and going up at this hour.
There is the storm, and those are the islands. That's the British Virgin Islands. There's the U.S. Virgin Islands right there. And this cell, the whole storm system is forecast to move towards the U.S. Now, it's not forecast yet to be a hurricane. But I'm not convinced.
BROWN: All right, Chad Myers with the very latest there. Chad, appreciate it.
MYERS: You got it.
BROWN: So would you know what to do if you were caught in a hurricane? Could you survive if you were lost at sea or on a hijacked plane? In a minute, we're going to talk to an expert on surviving disaster.
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BROWN: Do you know or would you know how to survive a wildfire? I mean, would you even try?
We keep getting new pictures like this just in from Los Angeles. Firefighters protecting a home, and yet incredibly some homeowners have refused to leave even though they were ordered to evacuate.
Well, tonight's newsmaker knows more than most people about what do if you're caught in a fire, caught in a hurricane, even a hijacked plane. And he is here tonight with advice that could save your life.
Cade Courtley is a former Navy SEAL and he is the host of Spike TV's "Surviving Disaster."
Cade, welcome to you.
CADE COURTLEY, HOST, "SURVIVING DISASTER": Thanks. Thanks a lot.
BROWN: So you're a former Navy SEAL. We all know what extensive training it takes to get to that elite level. But are every day people without that training going to be able to follow the advice that you give on the show?
COURTLEY: Well, here's what's great about this series and it makes it different from some of the other survival shows out there. We have basically catered this for the average American and we've given solutions to the average American to survive what would be essentially the worst day of your life.
BROWN: All right. Now I want to show a clip from the show. This is coming up about and it feels right given what we're watching with the fires in California. This is -- walk us through what to do in the event that you're caught in a burning building. Let's take a look.
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COURTLEY: Worst case scenario. One breath gets you dizzy. Two breaths, you're unconscious and probably dead. So the best thing to do is get away from smoke as quickly as possible.
Don't do that. Hey, don't do that. Never ever use an elevator during a fire. The thing is a deathtrap. Once you're inside one of these things, you surrender all control.
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BROWN: And let me just say that was a simulation, by the way. But that's the gist of the show. Right? You're simulating these sort of horrific experiences and then walking people through what they need to do.
COURTLEY: Absolutely. Yes.
BROWN: Well, walk us through. I mean, what other advice would you give in a fire situation?
COURTLEY: Well, you know, at the top of your show I saw the guys say hey, our mindset is we're going to go down with the ship regarding his house.
OK, tough guy, that's great. But what are you doing when you do that? All of a sudden firefighters now have to go and rescue you instead of trying to fight the fire. So what you want to do is as soon as you hear an alarm or you're told to evacuate, do it immediately. A fire can double in 30 seconds and so that 30 seconds might be just enough for you to get out of there.
Number two, like the scenario we're doing when you're in high- rise, if you have the chance, especially if you're woman in heels or something like that, get those things off and try and put on a pair of running shoes because you might have to run up or down several flights of stairs. You're going to need traction and support.
If your evacuation, your primary evacuation route is cut off, OK, then you need to go to a secondary one. How are you going to know where that is? You might be so stressed out. You worked in this office for ten years, and you don't even know where the bathroom is at this point. Pull out your camera phone, take a picture of the evacuation map and start working with that. Go to the secondary evacuation and when I say that, it should be one of the ones that's pressurized and pavement stairs. Not the nice glass with the carpet.
BROWN: Right.
COURTLEY: That's a deathtrap, too.
BROWN: And, Cade, I wish we had more time to go through some of these other things. But very quickly, just kind of bottom line for me, what to do generally in a crisis moment. What is that crucial thing?
COURTLEY: Well, it's as simple as this. Look, it might be something you're completely unfamiliar with. So as long as you have your brain working for you and if that means just taking an extra second or two, you can start problem solving and you can probably get out of some of the worst disasters you can imagine.
BROWN: All right. Cade, it's an interesting show -- "Surviving Disaster." Appreciate your time. Thanks so much. COURTLEY: My pleasure. Thanks a lot.
BROWN: And that does it for us tonight. Thanks for watching. "LARRY KING LIVE" starts in just a moment.
