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Down and Dirty Jobs

Aired October 9, 2009 - 21:00   ET


HOWIE MANDEL, GUEST HOST: Tonight, dirty jobs.


ROWE: So maybe it's not water.


MANDEL: The filthy, grubby, smelly scoop.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It smells like money to me.

ROWE: Somebody left their money in their ass.


MANDEL: Find the work that nobody wants to do.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Just watch that you don't get peed on.


MANDEL: Mike Rowe goes to scary heights so you don't have to.


ROWE: I'm OK. Yes.


MANDEL: And then there's the job of sitting in for Larry King -- it's a terrifying challenge but somebody's got to do it. Tonight, it's life (ph). I'm Howie Mandel getting down and dirty right now on LARRY KING LIVE.

Good evening.

I'm Howie Mandel from "Deal or No Deal," sitting in for Larry King tonight.

I just want to say that before I start, I've always wanted to do this job. I'm a big fan of Larry. I'm a big fan of the show. I've actually campaigned for it. And I don't know if they answered to my campaign now because I have the gravitas of having a book coming out November 24th, called "Here's the Deal: Don't Touch Me," which kind of talks about my OCD, my germophobia. I'll be on Larry's show later on in the month to talk about it. But that's who I am.

So this is like a joke on me. I'm happy to be here, but a little worried.

Sitting next to me is a man who's not afraid of anything and may have brought more than a few germs with him. He's the creator, executive producer and host of Discovery Channel's "Dirty Jobs" airing Tuesday, now in its fifth season.

Mike Rowe, don't exhale, but it's a pleasure to meet you.

ROWE: Come on, I'm only dirty on

The outside.

MANDEL: Well, that's -- you have no idea how fearful I am of all the places you have been, but fascinated.

ROWE: Really?


ROWE: Fearful and fascinated?

MANDEL: It's a weird combination.

ROWE: That's fantastic.

ROWE: It is fantastic. And your show is fantastic.

Now, you know what I didn't know, having read the notes, I watched the show and I cringed at the show. I had no idea that you were the creator, not only the host of the show.

ROWE: Well, you know, it's a charitable title. The truth is, I haven't seen a new idea in TV maybe ever. I stole it from George Plimpton, you know, a famous journalist who used to immerse himself in work. And I just always thought the idea of -- of really doing a real reality show -- you know, truly no second takes, no rehearsal, no scouting, no scripts would be fun.

And I didn't really figure, you know, we'd apply it to the sewer, but we did and so far so good.

MANDEL: Was that the concept, to look for -- not only to look for the job -- like were you going down for the sewer, were you going for the dirt?

ROWE: The concept was to try and pay an honest tribute to people who actually do the sorts of jobs that keep polite society on the rails. And the big conversation was how do we do that, you know.

MANDEL: Right.

ROWE: Because TV is, frankly, not real good at honestly portraying regular people. We either turn them into heroes or turn them into punch lines. So on "Dirty Jobs," the idea was what if I just assumed the role of a perpetual apprentice and literally went around the country meeting people and just -- just trying to keep up, you know?

That's how it started. It's a very, very simple show. But the themes in it are pretty big, you know, working and delayed gratification and all of that so.

MANDEL: Right. But the grit -- there are other -- there are other jobs that are shown as jobs and how things are done, but you get to the jobs we don't see or we don't want to see. We know that exist.

But have you -- do you have any trepidation as there -- what's been the worst one that you have you know, kind of...

ROWE: Well, I mean, look, out of 243, the truth is I don't -- I don't really look at them in terms of good, bad or horrible, because I know, at the end of the day, I'm leaving. Now, having said that, you know, when a rat the size of a loaf of bread jumps in your lap in a sewer...

MANDEL: Right.

ROWE: Yes, it makes an impression. Likewise, if you're on the top of the Mackinaw Bridge replacing a light bulb and the wind's blowing 40 miles an hour and you're 600 feet in the air, it's sporty. It sticks with you.

MANDEL: Sporty is the word.

ROWE: Yes. Yes, sporty. I learned that from a Coast Guard guy -- the I.S. Coast Guard (INAUDIBLE) was going up on the Bering Sea one day.

MANDEL: Right.

ROWE: He was soaking wet. He was bleeding from a gash in his head and it looked as though he was about to fall off the boat. He said sporty and I said OK. That's good to remember.

MANDEL: And that's the word you used.

ROWE: Yes.

MANDEL: So within the context of the show, have you ever said no, I'm not going to do that, I don't want to be part of this, I can't touch that, I won't climb there?

ROWE: Well, no, I've never said I wouldn't do it. But honestly, your intro was very charitable. I mean -- I spend a lot of time kind of scared. I mean, honestly, I'm not an expert. And I...

MANDEL: No, you don't. I spend my life scared so...

ROWE: Well, you know, that...

MANDEL: You wouldn't go to the places you go if you were truly scared.

ROWE: I wouldn't stay in the places I go if I were truly not.

MANDEL: You're talking to a guy who doesn't shake hands.

ROWE: What's up with that?

MANDEL: That's -- that, to me, the world...

ROWE: No, tell me. I mean...

MANDEL: The world is...

ROWE: ...I know you're supposed to...

MANDEL: The world's dirtiest job for me is existing. So I am fascinated by you.

ROWE: I'm fascinated by you.

MANDEL: But you're the guest.

ROWE: Yes, but you're the host.

MANDEL: I know. I know that. But, you know, this is my world's dirtiest job right now, talking to you...

ROWE: No, it's true.

MANDEL: Because you've been to places.

ROWE: What, you think this is a picnic for me?

MANDEL: I've seen what you've touched.

ROWE: I mean I don't know what you're going to say.

MANDEL: I don't know if I'm...

ROWE: Anything could happen and you're scared to death of poo. Germs freak you out.

MANDEL: Yes. You've done lot of things with poo, haven't you?

There's been poo on a lot of your episodes.

ROWE: We've dabbled with feces from every species.

MANDEL: Feces from every species. ROWE: You can use it if you'd like.

MANDEL: Nobody has made poo more pur -- more poetic than you. And that's the beauty of what you do.

ROWE: That's very -- that's very kind of you to say. MANDEL: But, you know what, it's also intriguing, because as much as I think the connotation of the dirtiest jobs are jobs we wouldn't want to do...

ROWE: Yes.

MANDEL: ...or we don't even know exist...

ROWE: Yes.

MANDEL: Yet a lot of these people and in reading the -- the -- the paperwork that they had given me before the show. And it's true, these people are passionate about what they do and they're happy about what they do and they look forward to each and every day. And that's kind of inspiring, because there are people in show business and in other great -- you know, what people would think are -- are much better levels of employment, where people just don't show that kind of happiness and passion.

ROWE: Drudgery stinks wherever you find it, Wall Street or Main Street, you know.

MANDEL: Right.

ROWE: And we didn't set out to do some sort of morality play. But we did discover by the third season, even though we were doing a crazy, silly, spectacle driven, sometimes juvenile show, the themes in it were huge. And people started to say, you know what's crazy about the show, every time I turn it on, I see you doing something either frightening or disgusting and yet you and everybody around you seems to be laughing.

What do people with dirty jobs know that the rest of us don't?

And questions like that started big, fun conversations. And frankly, I think the headlines of the day have kind of caught up with those themes, you know. So now in season five, I'm happy to say that while I'm pleased to discuss feces from every species...

MANDEL: Right.

ROWE: ...we can also broaden the conversation to include some more egalitarian aspects of what you call your modern day proletariat.

MANDEL: I don't know what you said...


MANDEL: ...but I'm really looking forward to this season. I really am. And I'm sure people out there are looking at their thesaurus and really looking forward to this.

ROWE: One day, somehow, you and I are actually going to shake hands.

MANDEL: I will never shake your hand. I -- I...

ROWE: Wouldn't you rather...

MANDEL: Have you, besides being a host and a creator of television, have you ever had any other -- well, you must have had other jobs?

ROWE: Gigs?

MANDEL: All right.

ROWE: Yes. I've made a long list of tragic mistakes in my...

MANDEL: What did -- what did you do before we knew you?

ROWE: I snuck into the business by impersonating an opera singer and got hired by the national opera to get my union card.

MANDEL: What, you were an opera singer?

ROWE: No, I was. I've done some things.

MANDEL: You were an opera singer?

ROWE: Well, look, I sing opera. That doesn't mean I'm an opera singer.

MANDEL: No, no, that -- I just...

ROWE: I mean, you know...

MANDEL: You're just not the image of what I would imagine.

ROWE: It sounds to me, Howie, like you're right on the verge of judging a book by its cover.

MANDEL: I did. I did.

ROWE: You've got to be very careful. I looked at you and I didn't say there's a guy who won't shake my hand.

MANDEL: My whole life is judging books by covers. That's the cover I won't touch. If it's inside a book, I'll look at it.

ROWE: Books are filthy.

MANDEL: What else besides opera?

ROWE: One time during a performance of "Daring Dasneibilungen" I walked across the street during a protracted intermission. The purpose was to have a beer and watch the football game. And QVC was on.

MANDEL: Right.

ROWE: And the bartender had an audition the following day. And to make a long story short, we discussed the decline of Western civilization. And I suggested that I could probably get hired if I were to accompany him on the audition.


ROWE: Well, I got hired. I worked there for -- I sold stuff in the middle of the night, Howie.

MANDEL: What did you sell?

ROWE: Germ-covered things.

MANDEL: Somebody said you sold dolls.

Are you a doll salesman on QVC?

ROWE: Look, I've made some mistakes, OK?

Crucify me on a cross of porcelain.

MANDEL: Is it just me or does Marie Osmond look different in person?

ROWE: The doll...

MANDEL: We will take a look at the new season of "Dirty Jobs" after the break.

You're watching LARRY KING LIVE.


MANDEL: Welcome back to LARRY KING LIVE.

I'm Howie Mandel from "Deal or No Deal" sitting in for Larry tonight.

And our guest is Mike Rowe for "Dirty Jobs".

Now you've been thrown from horses, bitten by an ostrich, pooped on by bats, cut your arm on a rusty nail, broke two ribs, smashed your toes.

What can he -- what can we expect this season -- the fifth season that "Dirty Jobs" is underway?

Here's a clip from the premier episode.


ROWE: What is your job exactly? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Picking up the mattresses.

ROWE: People have a lousy mattress, they don't want it, they just dump it?


ROWE: Tell me about bed bugs.


ROWE: They -- they live in a mattress. They're -- they're small. They come out, they lay their eggs under your skin.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Exactly. And you bring them home with you.

ROWE: This is it, huh?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is it, mattress heaven.

ROWE: What's going to happen to them here?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They're loaded into one of these containers, ship them off where there'll be refurbished.

ROWE: Bed bugs with no suit. Sleep tight.

I read that. A new mattress, say, might weigh 90 pounds.


ROWE: And the same mattress 10 years later might weigh, say, 110 pounds.

Now what -- what's that extra 20 pounds?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Probably dead skin.

ROWE: He's got a very specific stink on him, doesn't it?



ROWE: Yes, it's years of farts. Years of farts just jam powered and powered in there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The recycling impact from DR3 is huge, saving about 2,000 cubic feet of landfill space every day.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And how many of these do you guys -- what did you say you do a night, 50?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These guys do at least 50 a day.

ROWE: I just don't like two-and-a-half. I wouldn't want to do 50.

What the heck happened here?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was that inside?

ROWE: It was just sitting here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We do get some pretty odd stuff sometimes.

ROWE: Really?



ROWE: You haven't finished the fifth season.

Have you finished it?

Did you finish taping already?

ROWE: Yes, we're all done. And for the first time in five years, we actually have a hiatus. This has never happened before but...

MANDEL: You mean you've never taken a break in (INAUDIBLE) season?

ROWE: We've never had a break. We've shot every other week for five years in the field somewhere. And season five really is not going to be dramatically different from seasons one through four...

MANDEL: Right.

ROWE: ...although it is going to be a musical, you know, and...

MANDEL: Well, that's wonderful.

ROWE: And we'll have hand puppets and interpretive dance.

MANDEL: Nice. Well, the proof...

ROWE: No, look...

MANDEL: Well, the poo you put to poetry, why not put the dirt to music?

ROWE: We, let's see. We...

MANDEL: I didn't realize that you had so many in -- you know, injuries involved.

ROWE: Oh, no. I'm -- my dad calls me a -- a revolving door of perpetual infirmary.

MANDEL: Really? What is the worst injury that you've sustained in the broadcast?

ROWE: About three-and-a-half years ago, I was with a Ferrier, a blacksmith...

MANDEL: With a...

ROWE: It's a Ferrier.

MANDEL: Oh, Ferrier. Ferrier.

ROWE: Yes. It's not what you think.


ROWE: The blacksmith and I were out in the field doing backsmithy things.

MANDEL: Right.

ROWE: And he had a little portable -- portable stove, you know, that he heated up his -- his horseshoes in and whatnot.

MANDEL: Right.

ROWE: Anyhow, I got too close to the stove and when I lit it, the flames came out and fused my contacts to my eyes, which is troubling, you know, I mean, if...


ROWE: It's no good.

MANDEL: And...

ROWE: So, you -- as you picked little tiny pieces of plastic out of your eyes, you begin to rethink many career choices.

MANDEL: So -- and your sight, you're OK?

ROWE: Oh, I'm fine.

MANDEL: You're fully healed?

ROWE: Absolutely.

MANDEL: You are like the Evil Knievel of employment.

ROWE: Of different...


ROWE: Yes. No, I'll -- look, I'll jump over 14 sewers. Put them right in a line. You'll see.

MANDEL: Now this is season five. Is there something that you haven't done that you've been, you know, hoping and praying to do, that you want to do?


MANDEL: Is there one job that you haven't been able to get your -- your hands dirty in?

ROWE: No. I no longer hope or -- or dream in the conventional sense. In fact, I don't even...

MANDEL: No hope, no dreams.

ROWE: Look, it's...

MANDEL: This is kind of...

ROWE: ...I'm busy focused on, you know, not falling down, for the most part.

MANDEL: But you are doing good. I know that you're promoting -- you're also promoting -- you have like a Web site or a cause.

ROWE: Some good -- look, you know what, causes make me a little suspicious. They're kind of icky. But the things about jobs was...


ROWE: know, the audience is very, very loyal. The audience suggests every single job that we do. So we have this Web site called It sounds a little arrogant, but really, it's just a place...

MANDEL: How did you come up with the name?

ROWE: Well, we rolled the dice. It was going to be anything but I thought everything was better than Mike, you know.

MANDEL: Everything is better than anything.

ROWE: So whatever. You go to the Everything Mike. And from there, you can suggest ideas for the show.

MANDEL: Right.

ROWE: You can go to a trade resource center that the fans of the show helped me build called Mike Rowe Works. And there's a place to look at careers in the trades.


ROWE: Electricians and plumbers and pipe fitters. It's weird. But, you know, even as unemployment is doing what it's doing...

MANDEL: Right. ROWE: still have shortages in the trades. And one of the cool things to come out of the show is this awareness that some of these jobs that are often the result of alternative education...

MANDEL: Right.

ROWE: ...are actually pretty good.

MANDEL: But there is availability.

ROWE: Sure.

MANDEL: There is employment to be gotten out there.

ROWE: It's -- it's, in my opinion, too simple to say yes, although the short answer is sure. It kind of depends where you are.

MANDEL: And where do they go to find these (INAUDIBLE)?



ROWE: Yes, ask me where I got that name.

MANDEL: I -- I asked you where you got the other one. I'm just assuming...

ROWE: Yes.

MANDEL: was in the same vicinity.

ROWE: There are no coincidences in the world.

MANDEL: We're going to great heights to showcase some dirty jobs. We come clean on high rise window washing in 60 seconds.

Clean, high rise...

ROWE: That's very clever.

Did you write that?

MANDEL: Not at all. I'm just reading it.

ROWE: Well, you should think about writing.


MANDEL: Welcome back to LARRY KING LIVE.

I'm Howie Mandel from "Deal or No Deal" sitting in for the king tonight.

We're talking about dirty jobs with Mike Rowe. The jobs we're discussing aren't just dirty, they're scary. Mike learns about the world of high rise window cleaning in this clip -- more than 400 feet off the ground.



ROWE: Well, here we are on the -- what's this thing called?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gadget crane (ph).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're good to go.

ROWE: How the heck do I get down there?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You crawl over the edge.

ROWE: Come on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. You hold onto your rope and you're going to stand (INAUDIBLE) and then you just (INAUDIBLE).

ROWE: Oh, come on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Always check your screw gates.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Slowly ease yourself over the wall. Feet come through the chair and settle in. You'll be -- you'll be good to go.

ROWE: Oh, crap.


ROWE: I'm OK, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you start spinning, just try not to puke, OK?

ROWE: I'll try.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because we'll get hit, you know, because you'll be swinging.

ROWE: Crap.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're getting pretty comfortable there, doing a 360.

ROWE: Oh, I got cocky. Ah, shoot. Down police.


ROWE: Ah, shoot.


ROWE: Oh, I'm coming.

What the heck?

No, no, no, no. (INAUDIBLE) ticks.

That's right. Oh.


ROWE: There's no simple way out of this thing.


MANDEL: The window washer is here and we'll meet him next.

Go to if you have a dirty job you'd like to tell us about. Keep it clean now. And don't forget about Mike's Web site --

Stay with us.


MANDEL: Joining us now from Honolulu is Dino

He's the owner of Worldwide Window Cleaning in Hawaii.

Dino has been in the window washing business for 25 years and has gone more than 600 feet in the air just so that people inside the buildings can see out.

What is wrong with Dino?

I think we're about to find out.

Dino, you're nuts.

DINO PERTZOFF, WORKS 60 STORIES HIGH CLEANING WINDOWS: I've been trying to figure it out for years.

MANDEL: Really?

Like, well, how -- how does one get into that?

Were -- was it a family business?

PERTZOFF: No. I was just in college looking for some spending money and thought it would be pretty crazy to do.

MANDEL: Well, you're right, it is crazy to do.

Have you had -- have you had any near disastrous moments up there?

PERTZOFF: Well, it's a pretty safe job. I mean, you have some close calls, sometimes people dropping stuff...

MANDEL: It's a pretty safe job?

PERTZOFF: ...out their window once you pass by.

MANDEL: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Dino, I'm going to take this back.

PERTZOFF: But I'll tell you what...

MANDEL: Just a minute. It's not a safe job. It's not a safe job. People -- I read -- I was doing -- I was looking at stats before the show. Twelve people die a year in this country doing your job. Twelve comics don't die a year doing my job.

ROWE: Oh, I've seen you die.

PERTZOFF: Are you sure about that?

MANDEL: Oh, mike. Yes. There you go. You're a nut, Mike.

ROWE: I can't help it.

MANDEL: You've never had -- you've never lost your balance?

The wind hasn't picked up?

You've never had, you know, a near like death experience where you had to hang on and be saved?

PERTZOFF: We all have to get rescued at one point or another. But I wouldn't call it a near miss. You get stuck up there one way or another. Somebody has to come rescue you.

ROWE: What he's saying is it actually happened when we were shooting. My cameraman got his hair caught in the descending device, the SRT.

MANDEL: Right.

ROWE: It nearly scalped him. Somebody had to go back up to the top, rappel down, and with a knife, cut him free.


ROWE: So, look, Dino understates things. He's the kind of guy that looks at the Empire State Building and goes, that's tall.

MANDEL: Right.

ROWE: You know, kind of, ish.

MANDEL: That's wonderful as a guest on a television show about very dangerous jobs to have a guy that understates everything.

ROWE: Yes. MANDEL: Man, nothing happens.

ROWE: Well, look, on the positive side, he's awake.

MANDEL: Right.

ROWE: You know, I mean you never know.

MANDEL: Hey, well, let's go -- let's go in another direction.

Have you ever -- what is the most outrageous thing that you have seen in a window while doing your job?

PERTZOFF: One time I had a child, as I passed by his window. And he -- he opened up the window and -- with a pair of scissors and wrapped them around my rope looking down with quite a maniacal smile on his face. That shook me up a little bit.

MANDEL: I want to ask him about the outrageous things that...

ROWE: Nothing comes to mind.

MANDEL: When I asked about the dangerous things, nothing comes to mind. When I ask him about something outrageous, he's got a kid with a blade cutting the rope that he's strung from.

ROWE: Yes.

MANDEL: But...

ROWE: Dino is emblematic of...

PERTZOFF: That was kind of outrageous.

ROWE: ...a lot of people on the show. They just, you know, they -- they do what they do with a shrug. They don't -- they don't think twice about it. (INAUDIBLE).

MANDEL: But you did, too. I saw you in that tape previously. You were up there.

ROWE: For one day.

MANDEL: I mean what is going...

ROWE: One day.

MANDEL: It doesn't -- you keep saying you -- that doesn't qualify it for me. Once is a -- is too much.

What was going through your mind when you're hanging that high above the city?

ROWE: Well, I was just thinking, you know, if I had an agent, I'd fire him, that kind of thing.


ROWE: Look, I mean all -- all sorts of things go through your mind. But I -- I was next to Dino the whole time.

MANDEL: Right.

ROWE: And on the other side, I was next to his lieutenant, basically. So, look, you're in as -- you're as safe as you can be doing a job.

Is the job a little sporty?


MANDEL: And the highest you've gone is?

PERTZOFF: The highest I've gone is 600 feet.

MANDEL: How many stories is that?

PERTZOFF: But mostly just around 400 -- 420 feet.


PERTZOFF: Sixty stories.

ROWE: He starts washing windows as a kid. He starts washing windows at a sushi place so he can get free sushi lunches.

MANDEL: Right.

ROWE: He goes to the Italian place so he can get free spaghetti. He's got, what, 30, 40 contracts on high rises. He's an entrepreneur.

MANDEL: What do you do now?

PERTZOFF: What do I do now?

I'm a pencil pusher. Actually, I go around and I sell jobs. We have more like 300 or 400 buildings...

MANDEL: Oh, he runs the place.

PERTZOFF: ...that we clean here in Honolulu.

MANDEL: I get it.

Oh, well, that's great.


MANDEL: Well, congratulations on your worldwide window cleaning and thanks for your time.

Now, a lot of the dirty jobs you see on TV involve animals. And there's just no way to say this nicely -- some of them stink. And that -- I think that's next.

ROWE: That's a fact. Yes.



ROWE: What do you think, Doc?


ROWE: You feel lucky?

Feeling lucky?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. This one's the one.

ROWE: Youch. Whoa, you caught a whole fish and a turtle.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. Everything in.

ROWE: Everything in.


ROWE: Whoa.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. This one is a young one.

ROWE: Yes?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's about 10, 12 years old.

ROWE: Look at it, he's chewing right through the net.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's wanting a piece of you, sir.

ROWE: He's pissed off. I don't blame him.

What's in his mouth? He doesn't have the ability just to like whip around, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. He's not going to twirl on you. Now, he's -- now he's after you. So go get him behind the head.

ROWE: Ouch.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Get out of the way.

ROWE: Up. He seems to have assumed a fairly laid back position.


MANDEL: OK. Joining us to talk about his dirty job is Jeremy Dailey. He's the owner of Animal Capture Wildlife Control. He's spent the last 13 years trapping skunks, raccoons, possums, snakes, bats and a coyote.

A coyote?

JEREMY BAILEY, SPRAYED BY SKUNKS ON JOB: It's always different, you know. I get, you know, selective j

MANDEL: Are you here in California?

BAILEY: Yes, I'm here in L.A.

MANDEL: I have three coyote in my yard like a night.

BAILEY: Yes, you must be in L.A. in like the hills or something.

MANDEL: Right. But you got one.

BAILEY: Oh, I got many.

MANDEL: Well, let's see Mike at work with animal control.

Watch this.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This skunk is right around the corner.

ROWE: You mean that black creature there with the white stripes on its back?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. So you're going to approach, at any angle. You're going to get sprayed.

ROWE: Oh, jeez. Ah, you dirty...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You might as well just go now. He's already sprayed.

ROWE: You're right. That's -- ah, you smelly skunk. Oh, you stink. Oh, you -- ah.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, come on. It's not that bad.

ROWE: Oh, come on. You don't smell anything ever anymore. You're...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm immune to it. It smells like money to me.

ROWE: Yes?

Well, somebody left their money in their ass.


MANDEL: I love that. I love that. Somebody left their money in their ass. Did you get sprayed there?

BAILEY: Yes, may a time.

MANDEL: Yes, many times. It's no big deal to you?

BAILEY: It happens every day to me.

MANDEL: What is the best remedy for getting rid of that odor? Or maybe I'm sitting far enough from you, maybe you have it.

BAILEY: I got sprayed last night. So if I smelled that bad you would smell it right away. I use a product called Skunk Off.

MANDEL: Skunk Off.

ROWE: What else would you use.

MANDEL: You always hear about people with tomato juice and trying different things.

BAILEY: That stuff doesn't work.

MANDEL: Where does one get Skunk Off?

BAILEY: A lab makes it. It's sold over the Internet everywhere.

ROWE: Skunk emporium, I believe. Down the road a piece.

MANDEL: Did you get sprayed in that?

ROWE: Yes. I got sprayed twice there.

MANDEL: Does he share the Skunk Off with you?

ROWE: No, he's very proprietary with the Skunk Off.

MANDEL: You have to go to the website too and get the Skunk Off. In that episode, was it just the skunks you were going after?

ROWE: No. Possums.

BAILEY: We got skunks, raccoons, possums, all that. We go underneath homes, do under-floor inspections.

MANDEL: Under-floor inspections?

BAILEY: Yes, crawl underneath the houses on your belly. We had to remove a dead skunk as well at the first house, with maggots all over it, flies, fleas jumping on you.

MANDEL: You say it with such joy.

BAILEY: It's just a normal day. MANDEL: Do you ever say, ewe?

BAILEY: Not really. To me, I'm used to all the smells, dead animal smells, skunk smell. To me, it doesn't bother me.

MANDEL: It doesn't bother you. You're used to smells. I noticed in the green room, you have a beautiful young lady. Is that your wife?


MANDEL: Does she put on perfume for you when you get home?

BAILEY: She's used to it as well. It's hard to believe, but really you get used to the skunk smell. It doesn't bother her. She tells me take your clothes off in the garage. Don't bring it inside. But still, with me coming inside, it smells the house up.

MANDEL: Any given day after work, your neighbors might see you standing naked in the garage?

BAILEY: Not naked, but in my boxers.

ROWE: More than I need to know.

MANDEL: What's the weirdest or most dangerous thing you've ever encountered?

BAILEY: I think not really most dangerous thing. It's more situational things. I do a lot of work, you know, like situations where raccoons get in walls and you have to get them out. Skunks die underneath houses. You know, I get possums that die underneath the flooring. I have to cut them out of the flooring sometimes.

MANDEL: Have you ever been bitten?

BAILEY: Never, in 13 years.

MANDEL: Never been bitten.


MANDEL: Wow. Somebody said you went after a bobcat.

BAILEY: I got a bobcat out of a chicken coop. But I was able to flush it into the trap without getting bit or anything.

MANDEL: How does one train for this? How did you get into this business?

BAILEY: My dad taught me everything I know.

MANDEL: It's a family business.

BAILEY: Yes, he owns a business up north. I worked for him for 10 years and moved out here to L.A. and opened my own business. MANDEL: Yes. Is there work in this business. If there are people out there that are interested in stinking each and every day or going after or climbing under houses, is there work for that?

BAILEY: Oh yes. I'm working every single day, catching animals every single day.

MANDEL: People are looking for work. I think that's fascinating.

BAILEY: Just yesterday, I got about four skunks, like about six raccoons and a couple possums. You know, every day.

MANDEL: Are these the lines you used to meet your wife when you first approached her?

BAILEY: No, no.

MANDEL: Is this lucrative? What kind of money? What would it cost to remove skunk from my abode?

BAILEY: I get 100 dollars for every animal I catch.

ROWE: Tell them the crazy parts. Tell them what you have to do when you catch the thing. You're not going to believe this.

MANDEL: A hundred dollars an animal. Where do they go? Where do you take them?

BAILEY: I relocate them a lot of times. I don't kill any animals.

ROWE: We released -- once we caught, we had to release them on the same property. Some counties have ordinances.

BAILEY: Some counties are laws where you're not able to relocate animals, or you have to relocate them on the same property.

MANDEL: I give you 100 dollars, you pick up my skunk; where do you take him?

BAILEY: Always different. Open areas.

MANDEL: You don't want to take two skunks to the same place.

BAILEY: You don't want to overcrowd one area.

ROWE: It's a skunk relocation program.


MANDEL: He's taking the skunk, moving it to another house, giving out his website, getting another 100 dollars and relocating it to another house. That's the business. I can't think of anything more awful than milking a camel. I don't know why that popped into my head. Did you know they can spit on you? Did you know that? ROWE: I did.

MANDEL: That's why you're going to see Mike do the dirty work next.



ROWE: When it comes to machines, I'm quite a natural.

No, no, no, no! .

I need little, if any direction.


That thing there is razor sharp.

Except if the machine can kill me. Then I insist on directions.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's something else I wanted to worn you about, but I forgot.

ROWE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If your hand happens to be holding the board, end the gains will meet and neither will refuse to meet.


MANDEL: We're back talking about "Dirty Jobs" with the host of the TV show "Dirty Jobs," Mike Rowe. Coincidence, we are talking about it with the host.

ROWE: Crazy.

MANDEL: Guess who's here? Nancy and Gil Rigler, husband and wife owners of Oasis Camel Berry in Ramona, California. Welcome.

NANCY RIGLER, CAMEL DAIRY FARMER: Thanks for having us on the show.

MANDEL: Its' great. You're a camel dairy. You actually milk camels?

N. RIGLER: Yes, we do.

MANDEL: Because You get along better with them than cows?

N. RIGLER: No, because it's very unusual in the United States. It's something we're trying to bring awareness to in this country. Overseas, in Europe, Africa, even in parts of Asia, camel milk is prevalent, actually, but just not here in America.

MANDEL: Really? N. RIGLER: We're the only ones.

MANDEL: And the taste camel milk versus cow milk?

N. RIGLER: It's fantastic. Mike tried it right out of the camel.

ROWE: Well, not right --

MANDEL: An image I don't want to know. Looking at some of this stuff -- we have a show and tell. Let's show and tell. Here's Mike at work, I guess right out of the camel. Watch this.


N. RIGLER: So, those teats right there that look pretty darn huge, they're going to start filling up like water balloons.

GIL RIGLER, CAMEL FARMER: They only give milk for 90 seconds, and that's it. So, once that milk appears, we just have 90 seconds to run in there and milk as fast as we can.

ROWE: I'm really not good for much more than 90 seconds myself.

G. RIGLER: There you go. You're lasting a lot longer than 90 seconds. I'll tell you that.

ROWE: Thank you. Had a lot of practice.

N. RIGLER: Oh, OK. And she's done.

ROWE: She's done. There we go. OK. Good.

N. RIGLER: You have to read those girl signals. Let's see how you did. Excellent.

ROWE: Really?

N. RIGLER: No. But it's OK. It's OK.


MANDEL: You didn't do good.

ROWE: Not so good. It's not my job to be good.

MANDEL: You just show us.

ROWE: Show up, try it.

MANDEL: Showcase it. Camel farming or camel dairy farming, why do you want to promote -- is there a shortage of cows?

N. RIGLER: No. No. Not at all. It's just that camel milk is different. And to tell us more about that, I'm going to turn things over to my husband Gil, because he knows more about that than I do. MANDEL: Does camel milk do a body good?

G. RIGLER: Yes, very good. It's the closest milk to human mother's milk, so there's no allergies to it. High in vitamin C, high in protein, low in fat. It's delicious, tastes like cow's milk, and it's very good for you.

MANDEL: Are there other products? Is there camel cream, camel butter?

G. RIGLER: Camel milk soap.

MANDEL: Chamomile?

N. RIGLER: Very nice.

G. RIGLER: Soap.

MANDEL: Camel soap?

G. RIGLER: Every bar has 25 percent camel milk in it. That's what we make right there.

MANDEL: Soap I'm interested in. Is it -- it is fantastic.

N. RIGLER: Makes your skin so smooth and soft like a baby's.

MANDEL: Really, soft like a baby, just by lathering yourself up with --

ROWE: Get a hump right back here. Unfortunate.

MANDEL: But you're clean.


MANDEL: A clean hump. Have you ever had trouble with a camel. Because if you want one removed, for 100 dollars, he'll be there. Is it tough to actually -- I didn't see them going -- they're pretty docile, right?

G. RIGLER: They're sweet. They're like big puppies.

MANDEL: Not dangerous? You don't get spit on?

G. RIGLER: No. They're non-spitting, the type that we have.

MANDEL: You have non-spitting camels.

N. RIGLER: Well, all camels are non-spitting really. It's just if they've been treated badly.

MANDEL: I was given notes that said there was spitting. Where is the producer?

ROWE: Llamas spit. MANDEL: Llamas.

N. RIGLER: And camels can spilt, but they really have to be in a situation where people aren't very nice to them. As Mike can attest, we are very nice to our camels.

MANDEL: And you tasted the milk.

ROWE: You should see these camels make little camels. What I saw in the barnyard that day, I mean -- I don't want to say too much, but my god, people. Honestly.

MANDEL: Birth --

N. RIGLER: No. We made a camel. That comes way before the birth.

MANDEL: What do you mean made?

N. RIGLER: Do you like when a man and woman meet each other and they fall in love.

MANDEL: Oh, we actually saw the --

N. RIGLER: OK, yes.


MANDEL: You watched that? The actually humping of the camel?

N. RIGLER: Yes, it's very Discovery Channel. This is a very interesting segment.

MANDEL: I don't know if that's a dirty job. It's just dirty of you to watch.

ROWE: Trust me.

MANDEL: Have you given birth to camels?

N. RIGLER: Myself? Well, we've been there. Wow. This is CNN.

MANDEL: It is CNN. We're informing. The baby camel can weigh up to 75 pounds I read.

N. RIGLER: We try to be there when they're having their babies, just in case there's a complication.

MANDEL: I try to be there when they're having a baby. I've never had that opportunity.

N. RIGLER: It's really lovely.

MANDEL: How many camels do you have?

N. RIGLER: We have 22 camels right now and we have three babies on the way. And we're going to start breeding for this next season very quickly.

MANDEL: You're going to start breeding? I know.

And what are camels called? Is it a herds like in cattle?

N. RIGLER: Yes. Then the males are bulls. The females are cows. And the babies are calves.

MANDEL: Wait? A female camel is a cow?

N. RIGLER: Cow. Yes, because a cow is a female cattle.

MANDEL: A female cattle? No, a cow is a cow. A camel is a camel.

N. RIGLER: A female camel is a cow. Sort of like --

MANDEL: I think it's wrong. It may not be. But I'd like to -- you know what, I'm going to look that up. This isn't so bad. While you're watching the break, I'm going to wash my hands. I'm going to find out if a cow is a camel. What if we find out that female cows are actually called camels?

I'm going to wash my hands. Do you have camel soap here?

N. RIGLER: We do.

MANDEL: I'm going to take a break. I'm going to wash with camel soap. I'll be back in 60 seconds.




ROWE: How long have these been in here?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: About ten minutes is how long we dye them for.

ROWE: So, ten minutes ago these looked like those.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And the good thing about it is, you know, they can never get dirty. So you try to keep as much water, mud, and things in the machine as you possibly can.

ROWE: Got it. Yes, I can see that your commitment to tidiness so far is, you know, unexemplary.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. First --

ROWE: Hey!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sorry about that.

ROWE: That's OK.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I didn't do that on purpose.

ROWE: No, it's only my favorite shirt.


MANDEL: We're back with Mike Rowe's Dirty Job Fair.

Joining us now is Randy Williams. He's the president of Paradise Sportswear in Kauai, Hawaii. And he's making money out of dirt, as you just saw. You're making money out of dirt.

RANDY WILLIAMS, PARADISE SPORTSWEAR: Making money out of dyeing shirts in dirt.

MANDEL: How did you come up with this idea to dye shirts with dirt?

WILLIAMS: Well, actually, I didn't come up with this idea. I bought the company from a business associate of mine. I was supplying him with other products and then --

MANDEL: Not dirt.

WILLIAMS: Not dirt shirts. I actually thought that he wasn't dyeing them with dirt, because I didn't think you could dye shirts with dirt. I have a dye company that I dye with other things, with real dye.

MANDEL: With real dye. But then you saw him do it with dirt and you decided, I have to buy this, I want to have this?

WILLIAMS: Kind of. I was shocked at how well the product was received and how it's -- you know, people just like it.

MANDEL: That shirt you're wearing, has it been dyed with dirt?

WILLIAMS: It has. This is actually the executive model, because of the collar. You know, executive dirt shirts suitable for high level meetings.

MANDEL: Do they come in different colored dirt?


MANDEL: I would not buy a brown shirt. I'm just telling you that.

WILLIAMS: No, the dirt is one color. And we get it -- that place you saw was our secret dirt mine that is no longer a secret now. It was on TV.

MANDEL: Did you give away the location?

WILLIAMS: It wasn't that big a secret anyway. MANDEL: But it's clay, right? Is it clay?

WILLIAMS: It's not clay. It's dirt. It doesn't --

MANDEL: I'm trying to make it seem a little more magical than it is.

ROWE: The dirt is in Hawaii. It is basically volcanic. It stains everything like crazy.

MANDEL: Can do you get the stain on your hands?

WILLIAMS: Absolutely. Get on your shoes, and it never come off.

MANDEL: Really? Never comes out?

WILLIAMS: Everybody knows that. It's kind of ironic --

MANDEL: You can't wash it out.


MANDEL: That shirt has not been washed?

WILLIAMS: The shirt has been washed. The first time you wash it, quite a bit of dirt comes out. It's quite a darker color. Then it goes to this shade and then just stay that's way.

MANDEL: So if you buy one of those shirts, wash it alone.

WILLIAMS: And before you wear it, I would suggest.

MANDEL: Why, because if you sweat --

WILLIAMS: Because it's dirt.

MANDEL: Then you have dirt -- so this is people take off their shirt and yet you don't realize they've actually taken off their shirt. If they wear it for the first time without washing it.

WILLIAMS: That could be a definite possibility.

MANDEL: Really? That's phenomenal. And you thought this was a good idea for a company.

WILLIAMS: I did. I tried to resist it. I just thought it was too stupid. And the dirt really, actually creeped me out a little bit, you know, because, you know, but once I started looking at the money angle of it, it looked a lot better.

MANDEL: How is business?

WILLIAMS: Business is lousy right now. Actually, it has been good.

MANDEL: Maybe the way you're describing how you see this business that is not helping promote the business.

WILLIAMS: You know what, I'm not really --

MANDEL: It's not that great. You should wash yourself before you wear it.

WILLIAMS: You cannot deter people. I used to dye -- I don't dye the hats anymore with dirt. I used to dye them with dirt. People would come in and they go, don't you get like a line on your head when you put that on? I said, yes, you do. Cool.

MANDEL: On a national broadcast like this, you shouldn't be telling them, because business is not going to get better for you. That's probably why it's a dirty job.

WILLIAMS: I think so.

MANDEL: But there is always -- you can always milk a camel or help relocate a skunk, or just do another episode of Mike's show.

WILLIAMS: You know, compared to -- I know I have a weird job. But compared to a lot of the shows he does, I thought it was too tame. You know, like why would they come --


MANDEL: You don't even thinking it was a good episode. You're really not into promotion, are you?


MANDEL: We'll wrap up after the break. Stick around. I feel bad for you. You've really brought the whole show down. Thanks Mike for being here. We'll be back with more after this.



ROWE: What are you doing, man?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm getting worms up this morning.

ROWE: You hammered the wood into the ground, and then you drag the iron across the top, and it vibrates and makes a grunting sound.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Exactly. He's a Mississippi Diplicardia (ph).

ROWE: Mississippi Diplicardia?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He's the only worm that I know that is attracted to this vibration that will surface.

(END VIDEO CLIP) MANDEL: Welcome back to LARRY KING LIVE. I'm Howie Mandel from "Deal or No Deal." I'm actually from Canada. Sitting in for Larry tonight. And I have made it almost an hour talking about something that really scares me, dirt and dirty jobs. So this has been -- it's fascinating.

I do watch your show. I'm a fan. And it's very exciting. It is amazing. They gave me a list of some of the things that you have done throughout the five seasons. And maybe you can comment.

There is a -- you dealt with an alligator egg harvester.

ROWE: Yes, down in Louisiana, Jerry Savois (ph). Goes into the swamps, comes out with the eggs.

MANDEL: You know, you want to take eggs from an alligator. Avian vomitologist (ph).

ROWE: Don Shicoletti (ph). He collects owl vomit and then takes it to schools.

MANDEL: Owl vomit? Who does it? Who? Who? Who?

ROWE: It's Don Shicoletti.

MANDEL: Does what?

ROWE: Owl vomit.


ROWE: Avian vomitologist.


ROWE: I'll tell you again. Keep it coming.

MANDEL: The owl. See, I was doing the owl.

ROWE: Very clever.

MANDEL: Pregnant cow examiner?

ROWE: Yes, Cal Palpatian (ph). That was down in Texas. Little fellow, big hat, reaches inside the bad place of the cow.

MANDEL: How do you know it wasn't a camel? Shark repellent tester?

ROWE: Yes, you put yourself in the water, spread out some blood. Sharks come in. You see if the repellent works.

MANDEL: Something you don't want to hear. This one is not working.

ROWE: Yes. MANDEL: Turkey inseminator.

ROWE: Not ready to talk about that one just yet. No. No.

MANDEL: The man who loved turkey a little too much.

ROWE: The other white, white meat.

MANDEL: Casino buffet recyclers?

ROWE: Fantastic job. Bob Cones (ph), drives his car through the strip, collects uneaten buffet food, takes it back to his pig farm, where he feeds the swine that grow to enormous dimensions on account of it.

MANDEL: A mud shampooer.

ROWE: Got to love it. People put mud in their shampoo. Makes your hair -- well, you know --

MANDEL: Not me. Hey, you could wash your shirts in it.

ROWE: That's what I'm thinking.

WILLIAMS: A great idea.

MANDEL: What do you have?

WILLIAMS: Original dirtbag.

MANDEL: I love that. How are those selling?

WILLIAMS: Everything we have does well. We just need, you know --

MANDEL: Oh, it changed over the commercial. That's the beauty of CNN.

WILLIAMS: You know what? I thought about it for like 60 seconds. I thought, he is probably right.

MANDEL: I have a book coming out November 24th, "Here's the Deal, Don't Touch Me." Will you promote it?

WILLIAMS: Absolutely.

MANDEL: You will?

WILLIAMS: Absolutely.

MANDEL: I really don't want you to.

ROWE: We could change the title don't read me.

MANDEL: We'll wash it in dirt, don't touch it. But what has been your favor over the -- I know that they're all like your children. Everybody says that. What is your favorite?


MANDEL: You don't care for any of them?

What has been your favorite job that you have spent a day doing or an episode doing?

ROWE: You know, I mean, there are about 20 I could give you a good story on. But the one you just mentioned, Bob Cones was fantastic, because -- the Vegas pig farmer. Because it's recycling in a way that nobody wants to talk about. You know, you're in Vegas. You're going to the buffets. You're taking all the food that big giant tourists didn't eat. They just threw it away.

He collects it. Otherwise, it would go to a landfill, and feeds it to pigs. He takes his pigs to market that much sooner, because they just really grow like crazy. And he's a sweet guy. I mean, you just can't find these people at Central casting.

MANDEL: What is a worm poop rancher?

ROWE: That's a guy who makes money collecting worm crap. The Castings (ph). They're very potent fertilizer. So you raise 10, 20 million worms. You get their poo. And you sell it on the open market.

MANDEL: On the open market? Where is the open market for worm poop.


MANDEL: Where does one go? I'm going to the markets. I'll be back.

ROWE: Again, I'd go with worm poo emporium.

MANDEL: The poo emporium.

ROWE: You have to have one.

MANDEL: It's amazing. That's why I love CNN. That's why I love Larry King. That's why I love doing this show. I learn things. And I've learned thing by watching throughout the years. But actually being here -- it is so tactile to actually meet people who are there and watch your show and -- are you going to get hurt this season? Can you let us in on that? You know. You've already taken that. Is blood going to be drawn?

ROWE: Nancy broke my heart. But, no. I'm relatively unscathed. That's not true. I broke a finger nail.

MANDEL: Her, her husband and a camel and you. That is like a video I had Sean.

ROWE: There is that fine line we talked about. MANDEL: You know what? I've gone over the line, I think. But this is wonderful. And were you all on in past seasons? Or you all on this season?

WILLIAMS: This season.

MANDEL: So this is what we have to look forward to. The relocation of stinking like a skunk.


MANDEL: You stink like a skunk.

BAILEY: Stinking like a skunk. So bad you could taste it.

MANDEL: You should be working for hallmark.

And you're going to sell soap from camels. That makes you feel like -- and milking camels. And you're just going to try to do better.

And then the guy from Hawaii, who has the worldwide window washing thing, is maybe going to one day go up on a building and do it.


MANDEL: So we have just opened a whole can of worms here. I want to thank you, Larry, for letting me sit in tonight. This has been something special. This has been a dream of mine, and "Anderson Cooper 360" starts right now.