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The Latest on the Massacre at Fort Hood; D.C. Sniper's Ex-Wife Speaks Out

Aired November 9, 2009 - 21:00   ET


LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight, on the eve of his scheduled death, the Supreme Court has refused to block the execution of D.C. sniper John Muhammad. On the eve of his scheduled death, we've got intimate insights from his two ex-wives. His murderous shooting spree left at least 10 dead and millions terrified. But Mildred Muhammad believes the ultimate target may have been her.

And then exclusive, his first wife reveals why she plans to meet with him before the execution. She and their son are going to share letters with us he wrote them from prison.

And then, the Army major accused in the Fort Hood massacre is awake and talking.

But is Nidal Hasan saying anything about Thursday's rampage?

And did authorities miss some warning signs?

It's all next on LARRY KING LIVE.

We begin with the incredible happenings at Fort Hood.

We go to Washington.

Brian Todd, our CNN correspondent, is there.

He had a briefing this morning from law enforcement officials -- what -- or rather, this afternoon, that briefing.

What can you tell -- what did they say -- Brian?

BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Larry, we literally just came out of that briefing this evening -- senior investigative officials involved in the probe of the -- of Major Hasan and his background.

What we're learning now is that Major Hasan did come to the attention of the FBI in late 2008 as part of an investigation into an unrelated person -- a terror investigation into an unrelated -- a person not related necessarily to him. This was the -- the investigation was not related to him, but this was part of an investigation into another individual.

What the -- what these officials have told us was that the FBI was made aware of 10 to 20 communications between Hasan and this individual -- communications that started around December of last year and filtered into early this year. But important to note here, that they say that these communications were consistent with Hasan's research at the Walter Reed Medical Center, research that he did as a psychiatrist there. And because the content of these -- those communications was deemed to be connected to that research and not derogatory in nature or otherwise inflammatory, they concluded that he was not involved in terrorist planning or terrorist activity.

Now, separately, military officials have told CNN that intelligence agencies intercepted communications between Hasan and a Yemeni cleric named Anwar al-Awlaki, who, according to the 9/11 Commission, did have connections to two 9/11 hijackers.

But again, the communication between Hasan and that imam was deemed to be not necessarily inflammatory in nature.

The bottom line is these investigative agencies...

KING: That...

TODD: -- these Joint Terrorism Task Forces, because of the nature of the communications, did not pursue it any further.

KING: That is really interesting.

Brian Todd, our CNN correspondent.

We can pick right up on that with Drew Griffin.

He's in Washington, investigative correspondent.

What -- what do you make of the fact that they said all this information was not a link to terrorism?

DREW GRIFFIN, CNN SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS UNIT: Well, he -- he was on the radar screen, Larry. They looked at him. And they've got no links between him an any kind of terrorist plot -- no co- conspirators, no planning out there, no conspiracy.

So, in the end, what you've got, you've got a very violent act that they're searching for a motive with this Major Nidal Hasan to see what drove him.

One federal law enforcement source pretty close to the investigation told me, you know, don't -- don't throw away the idea that this may just be a disgruntled employee, at the end of the day.

So everything is wide open. But what they are saying at this point, which I think is, you know, for the sanity and the security of all of us, we've got no co-conspirators running around out there right now, Larry, that they're trying to round up or anybody that they can tell that actually helped him carry out this -- this plot.

KING: And thus far, therefore, no warning signs the Army could have seen to, like, court-martial him? GRIFFIN: Well, they're trying to be up front about the warning signs that they did intercept. We've been hearing from other co- workers -- other co-students who say that he -- you know, he had some very inflammatory statements over the -- over the years, but nothing that obviously was brought to the attention of investigators. And what was brought to the attention of investigators, these intercepted messages, they actually investigated and determined, you know what, because he's a psychiatrist, he's talking about suicide bombings, it kind of all fits in with what he does at -- at Walter Reed...

KING: Yes.

GRIFFIN: -- helping these vets coming back from the war.

So there may have been warning signs after the fact that we're now looking at 20/20, but at the time, what they're saying is, we did look into these and it didn't warrant a further investigation.

KING: I got you.

Now, let's go to Fort Hood -- Ted Rowlands, our CNN correspondent.

What's the latest on the condition of the suspect in the hospital -- Ted?

TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, he seems to be getting better, Larry. He's off a ventilator and apparently he's talking to medical staff in San Antonio, where he is being treated. Whether or not he's been able to talk to investigators or not or whether they've tried to talk to him yet, we don't know.

We do know that his family hired a lawyer for him. This is a guy who is a former military judge, very adept and knows the system here.

Odds are now that he has a lawyer, he most likely won't be talking to investigators if they didn't get to him already.

And, of course, all of these answers -- all these questions can be answered by Nidal Hasan if he comes up and explains what his motives are in this. But at this point, we just don't know what those were and we don't know if he's going to talk.

KING: What -- and what are the plans for tomorrow's memorial?

ROWLANDS: Well, you can see behind me, they've constructed a wall here out of shipping containers outside in this courtyard of what's called a three core building (ph). This is where the facility -- where the ceremony is going to be. It's going to be an outdoor ceremony. The president, first lady, vice president and a number of other dignitaries are here. And this wall is basically for security, even though we're on -- we're at a fort, an Army installation. They're very concerned about security, as you might imagine. So they've built this fortress and they're going to have the presentation of the memorial service inside. A lot of people anticipating this memorial service will be very, very emotional. The base, as you can imagine, a lot of emotions still stirring because of this horrific, horrific incident that the happened here on their home turf last week.

KING: Thank you, Ted.

And, of course, you'll be there and so will CNN.

And we'll be back with more.

The ex-wives of the convicted D.C. sniper are speaking out on the eve of his execution. They're with us later in the hour.

First, more on the possible links between accused Fort Hood killer Nidal Hasan and Muslim radicals. That's after the break.


KING: With us now is Peter Bergen, CNN national security analyst and Paul Cruickshank, a terrorism expert who has written extensively about Al Qaeda and radical Islamic groups. In fact, Peter collaborated -- Paul collaborated with Peter Bergen on the book "The Osama bin Laden I Know".

All right, Peter, what sketchy -- with the sketchy information we have, is this a terrorism plot of some kind or a disgruntled employee?

PETER BERGEN, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: Well, you know, is it somebody who kind of went postal -- 90 percent went postal and also had a sort of 10 percent jihadi flavor or is it 90 percent somebody who was a jihadist who was also 10 percent a screwball?

KING: Right.

BERGEN: That's -- you know, we still don't know, basically.

KING: Paul, Imam Anwar al-Awlaki -- I'm pronouncing that wrong, probably. He's been linked to two 9/11 hijackers. He worked in a mosque in Virginia where Nidal Hasan prayed.

What do we know about him and his possible involvement here, Paul?

PAUL CRUICKSHANK, TERRORISM EXPERT: Well, in -- in addition to that, Larry, we know that he had influence over and was linked to plotters who were attempting a terrorist attack in Canada in 2006; of the Americans who were trying to attack Fort Dix in New Jersey in 2007. This is a man who's considered a pro-Al Qaeda extremist. As you said, he was somebody who had links to about a couple of the 9/11 hijackers.

The fact is what CNN had been reporting tonight, that Hasan had contact with this man, will be of great concern to investigators, Larry.

KING: Peter, what's your biggest question about Hasan?

BERGEN: Well, I -- I think, you know, the fact that he shouted "Allah Akbar!" obviously indicates something. It's -- it's very hard to psychoanalyze him with the information we have. I think that he clearly was, you know, making these inquiries about suicide bombings, but these are not necessarily unusual, particularly with somebody with his job. And, also, there are plenty of people who make inquiries to clerics of the killings of innocents and these sorts of things. And federal investigators can't track everybody. And they have limited resources.

I mean it may -- it may turn out, retrospectively, that that was a mistake. But clearly, the Feds felt that this fell within the purview of what his -- you know, of his job, to be making these kind of inquiries about suicide bombings.

KING: Paul, is all of this too sketchy now?

CRUICKSHANK: It's all -- it's all very, very unclear at this point, Larry. I think we have to be very, very cautious about drawing conclusions. As Peter was saying, what we could have here is -- is a guy who just lost it or we could have, at the opposite end of the spectrum, have a guy who -- who has some links with Al Qaeda. But it's too early to tell.

KING: Peter, about 18 months ago, there were a number of cases, what might be called aspirational. These were terrorist wannabes here in the United States -- a lot of talk, not a lot of auction.

Could he have been aspirational?

BERGEN: Well, I think, you know, Larry, I think that it -- you know, if we had had this conversation 18 months ago, many of the terrorism cases that we've seen in the United States were more aspirational than operational. They were people talking about acts of terrorism without actually doing it.

Now, you know, it's still an open question about Major Hasan's motives. But we've seen a lot of cases in the United States, whether of the Najibullah Zazi, who is Afghan-American who trained at an al Qaeda training camp; a -- a guy called Venus from Long Island, who also trained at an Al Qaeda training camp in 2008, conducted a rocket attack on an American base in Afghanistan; a group of guys who were casing Quantico Marine Base in Virginia. And the list sort of goes on and on.

So while none of these cases are actually related to each other, there are a sort of constellation of cases of jihadi terrorism in the United States which are not aspirational, they're really operational. Which raises -- you know, we're sort of in a -- it has a different flavor than it might have done a year ago, Larry.

These cases are much more serious. They're not about people talking about terrorism, they're people who are actually doing acts of terrorism or going to a training camp run by Al Qaeda.

KING: Paul, are there any indications that radical Muslims are actively seeking to recruit members of the U.S. military?

CRUICKSHANK: Well, not that I'm aware of at the moment. But there have been -- that has happen in the past. One member of the U.S. military, a guy called Ali Muhammad, an American of Egyptian origin, actually joined Al Qaeda in the 1990s, went out to Afghanistan and joined up with bin Laden and helped him plot some attacks. So Al Qaeda does have a track record of doing this. They see the United States as conducting a war against Islam. So for them, attacking the U.S. military is a high priority, Larry.

KING: Thank you both very much, Peter Bergen, Paul Cruickshank.

When we come back, we'll meet the -- the imam from the mosque where Major Hasan sometimes prayed. And he'll respond to the Fort Hood tragedy.

That's in 60 seconds.


KING: Joining us now in Washington, Imam Johari Abdul-Malik, director of the outreach at the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center in Falls Church, Virginia. Nidal Hasan sometimes attended prayer services at that center.

Imam Johari, what's your reaction to what happened at Fort Hood?

IMAM JOHARI ABDUL-MALIK, DIRECTOR OF OUTREACH, DAR AL-HIJRAH ISLAMIC CENTER: Well, first, I mean, we have made it clear among so many leaders in the faith community, both Muslim and otherwise, that this is a terrible tragedy. It's a terrible tragedy on many, many levels. But then for that to be a person who was in our community and no one was aware that they could do something like this is a great shock to us.

KING: The former imam at your center appeared today on a Web site of -- his Web site and he praised Hasan.

What's your reac -- he called him a hero.

What's your reaction to that?

ABDUL-MALIK: Well, I -- if you go to -- to my own blog,, you will see our denunciation, among others.

But specifically, I mean I have a relationship. I -- I performed Hajj as a -- as part of a program with MSNBC with my family. His family joined us on that pilgrimage after he had left Dar Al-Hijrah.

But still, he was not the kind of person that made this statement on the Web site. He denounced not only the fact that he -- that he thought that the mosque and -- and leaders who are Muslim in America -- he characterized us as being -- committing treason and that we were hypocrites because we denounced the shooting.

Now, this clearly is not the man who used to be in our mosque in 2001 who led lectures about interfaith, about cooperation. He's a different person, Larry.

KING: Yes.

ABDUL-MALIK: But without a doubt...

KING: What do you...

ABDUL-MALIK: ...but without a doubt...

KING: ...what was Hasan's involvement...

ABDUL-MALIK: ...without a doubt, we categorically denounce him and these ideas. They are not part of...

KING: You made it clear.

ABDUL-MALIK: ...what we understand Islam to be in America.

KING: What was Hasan's involvement with your mosque?

I know you didn't know him.

ABDUL-MALIK: I didn't know him, but the -- the staff is familiar with him and his family. He came to prayers off and on. Some individuals said that their experience with him, that he changed after his mother passed away. Her prayers were -- were offered in 2001 and that after that, he seemed to be somewhat withdrawn. He would stand around in the lobby. I didn't know this until (INAUDIBLE) we're not psychiatrists. We had no way of knowing that that seemingly change in his mood and attitude would result in the tragedy that we saw unfold last week.

KING: Are you worried now -- yes, you must be -- about a backlash against Muslims in the military, Muslims in the general population, because of this?

ABDUL-MALIK: You know, Larry, you know, you raise an interesting question and -- and I'm going to say to you, I believe that there's something different about the American people. If this had happened in Rwanda and it was a Hutu who killed some Tutsis, we'd have genocide. But there's something about the -- the American psyche that, through great tragedies, people seem to rise above it.

There's a new coming together, a better understanding of our community and what's going on. And I think that through this difficulty, the phoenix will rise out of the ashes once again.

KING: Do you see any contradiction between being a good Muslim and a loyal member of the U.S. military?

ABDUL-MALIK: Well, you know, Larry, we have 20,000 Muslims who serve in the armed forces of the United States. And most of them -- the overwhelming majority of them serve as honorable members of the armed forces. So I think that the statistics show -- I don't know what was going on in Nidal Hasan's mind. If he recovers, hopefully we'll find out. So far -- and I -- and I've been -- and I have to praise your coverage here on CNN, that you haven't jumped to conclusions. You haven't stigmatized American Muslims, that so far, the -- the data seems to suggest that it's not a case of homegrown terrorism. There's something else going on and soon the information will -- will become more clear to everyone. But I want to thank you.

KING: Thank you. Well said.

Imam Johari, thank so you much.

ABDUL-MALIK: Thank you.

KING: Convicted D.C. sniper, John Allen Muhammad, will die tomorrow -- is scheduled to die tomorrow. We're going to talk to his ex-wives about it, when we come back.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One person dead, no suspects, no motives. This morning, 7:41, shot and killed. Again, no suspects. 8:12, another shooting at the Mobil station across the street. 8:37, another shooting, Hispanic female, shot and killed.


KING: There you saw a quick reminder of life back in 2002 in Washington, D.C. and environs.

Joining us now in Washington is Mildred Muhammad. She's the former wife of convicted D.C. sniper, John Allen Muhammad.

Her ex-husband is scheduled to die by lethal injection tomorrow in a Virginia prison. Mildred tells her story in a riveting memoir titled "Scared Silent."

Well, how do you feel tonight, Mildred?

What's going through you?

MILDRED MUHAMMAD, JOHN ALLEN MUHAMMAD'S EX-WIFE: Well, what's going through me right now is the welfare and the emotional stability of my children.

When I think of John, that is who I think of first, are my three children.

KING: How are they coping?

MUHAMMAD: They are coping one moment at a time. Certain emotions are starting to come up. But overall, they are doing well.

KING: How old are they?

MUHAMMAD: My son John is 19. My daughter Selina is 17. And my daughter Taliba is 16.

KING: Have they been able to visit their father? MUHAMMAD: Unfortunately, they have not. So they have resolved their minds that they are just going to move forward and remember him the way that they did before. And that will be enough for them.

KING: Do they love him?

MUHAMMAD: Yes, sir, they still do. They just wish that he was...

KING: When's the last time...

MUHAMMAD: ...still a part of their lives.

KING: Yes, that this hadn't happened, I mean.

When was the last time that you saw or had contact with -- with your husband?

MUHAMMAD: My ex-husband?

September the 4th, 2001 at an emergency custody hearing in Tacoma, Washington.

KING: So not -- not since all that time since then, since found guilty and since imprisoned?

MUHAMMAD: Yes, sir.

KING: Did you try to contact him in prison?

MUHAMMAD: No, sir. I didn't have a desire to do that. I had emotionally detached from John when I asked him for a divorce. And my emotions were severed when he said that you have become my enemy and as my enemy, I will kill you.

KING: You -- you have said that you think he was out to get you.

Is that right?

MUHAMMAD: Well, when ATF knocked on my door October the 23rd, they took me to the police station to question me when was the last time that I had seen John. And I told them the same information that I told you. That is when they informed me that I was the target.

First, they said they were going to name him as the sniper. Then they said, well, didn't you know that you were the target?

He was shooting people all around you. His friend from Tacoma, Robert Holmes, called the task force during the shootings stating, "I don't know much about your case, but you may want to look at John Allen Muhammad, because he is over that way to hurt his ex-wife."

So I'm not the only one that feels that he came to this area to kill me. There are others who have stated this publicly.

KING: You testified at his sentencing. Was that hard for you?

MUHAMMAD: Yes, sir, it was very difficult for me. I actually went online to look at the courtroom to find all of the exits so that just in case he was able to get loose, then I would know which way to run.

KING: So you have no -- and I don't want to put words in your mouth. You are not -- you're not sad over what's going to happen tomorrow?

MUHAMMAD: I am sad for my children. My children love their father. And just like any child who is about to lose a parent, they feel anxieties that they are not aware of. And myself and my husband, Rubin, are here for them, as well as other friends who have come together to help them to go through this transition, because this is a difficult walk for them. And we need to be there for them, to help them through this.

KING: Mildred Muhammad, we'll be right back with her.

Her book is "Scared Silent" When the One You Love Becomes the One You Fear."

The other ex-wife and son of convicted D.C. sniper, John Allen Mo -- John Allen Muhammad, are speaking to us exclusively. And they're going to share some personal letters and their thoughts about what's coming up.

But first, more with Mildred, right after the break.


KING: You're looking at the Greenville Correctional Center. It's in Jarratt, Virginia, where tomorrow the DC Sniper, John Allen Muhammad, will face lethal injection. We're talking with his ex-wife, Mildred. You wrote in your book that at one time you blamed yourself that there was a sniper. Do you still feel that way?

MUHAMMAD: No, sir, I don't. I felt that way initially because I had done everything I knew how to do to bring attention to how dangerous he was to me. I had no idea his anger would extend beyond me, to include all people in his killings.

KING: Have you contacted any of the family members of those he killed?

MUHAMMAD: I spoke with Mr. Laruffa (ph). He had an article that was in the paper and I went by to see him. He was doing well and surprisingly, he was happy to see me. And I recently met Denise Johnson at a store by accident. And that was a good meeting as well.

KING: You wrote that the John you married was totally different when he came back from the first Gulf War, that he was a complete stranger. How had he changed? MUHAMMAD: He went from someone who was always happy, that knew what direction he was going in, and was focussed, to a person that was totally confused, depressed all the time, and didn't know how to do or get to where he wanted to be.

He was just completely different. And it didn't take long to notice that.

KING: Was he violent toward you?

MUHAMMAD: He was not physically violent. He was verbally, mentally and psychologically violent towards me. And unfortunately, in domestic violence, these are the abuses that are not looked upon as serious as physical. What I'm trying to do is shift the thinking of people when they think about domestic violence not to automatically think of physical. You should think of the first offense which is a verbal offense.

That way, many women and men won't be walking around emotionally damaged because no one will listen to them. Eighty percent of domestic violence is non-physical; 20 percent is. We have to be careful in how we treat each other and communication is very important. John was not debriefed, nor was he counseled when he came back from a war zone. And many soldiers that are coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan need to be debriefed and counseled, so that this does not happen again.

KING: How about his accomplice, Lee Malvo. He's serving a life sentence. Your children were close to him, were they not?

MUHAMMAD: Yes, sir. They were best friends. When John kidnapped our children and took them to Antigua, that's when he meet Lee Malvo. Lee came into the fold as a big brother to my son and my daughters.

KING: What are your feelings towards him?

MUHAMMAD: I believe he was a victim as well. He was 15 at the time when they met. Unfortunately, John had enough time with him to train him to be what he needed him to be.

KING: You had three children with him. You were married with him. You loved him. Then he came back a different person.

MUHAMMAD: Yes, sir.

KING: What are your feelings right now, Mildred? How do you feel?

MUHAMMAD: I feel that all of my efforts, all of my energy is to help my children through this emotional turmoil that they are going through.

I don't have an emotional attachment to John. I am only concerned with the emotions of my children. That is my biggest hurdle. And they will have to deal with this for the rest of their lives. And I want to make sure -- myself and my husband Rubin and our friends want to make sure that the children are emotionally well as they go through this and beyond.

KING: Thank you, Mildred. Mildred's story is "Scared Silent," that's the book. "When the One You Love Becomes the One You Fear." Thank you, Mildred.

MUHAMMAD: Thank you.

KING: Coming up next, an exclusive conversation with the D.C. Sniper's first wife, Carol Williams, and their son. Both will see John Allen Muhammad tomorrow before he's executed. They will share their feelings and some personal letters right after the break.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One shot after the other.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These are simply victims.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anywhere, any time, anyone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was worried because I didn't want to die like that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Parents frantically running to the building and grabbing children.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A sniper out of control.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I wish the person would just stop.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A region under siege.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where's my family safe?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And a task force pushed to the brink.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I beg of the media, let us do our job.


KING: Joining us now is Carol Williams, John Allen Muhammad's first wife. Also here with us is Lindbergh Williams, John Allen Muhammad's first son, and Vincent Hutchinson. He is Carol Williams' fiance. All three, by the way, appeared on this show back on October 29th, 2002.

Carol, you're going to see him tomorrow?


KING: Why? C. WILLIAMS: Just to be able to have some closure.

KING: You're going to fly out of here late tonight?


KING: And be there tomorrow. You nervous about it?

C. WILLIAMS: Very nervous.

KING: You're going too, right, Lynn?


KING: How do you feel?

L. WILLIAMS: : Nervous about it. But I'm OK with it.

KING: Did you visit him in prison?

L. WILLIAMS: : No. This will be the first time I've seen him in years.

KING: Did you visit him, Carol?


KING: When you, Vincent, got engaged -- when you met Carol, had this occurred or not occurred?

VINCENT HUTCHINSON, CAROL WILLIAM'S FINANCE: No, it hadn't occurred. It hadn't occurred.

KING: Did you know John at all?

HUTCHINSON: I met him twice, but it was just briefly.

KING: Lynn, when you were on this show in 2002, I asked you about the death penalty and you said "you reap what you sew. If you're man enough to do it, you're man enough to pay the consequences."


KING: Have any of those feelings changed.

L. WILLIAMS: No, not really. If you commit a crime, you can pay the time.

KING: When this was going on, the sniper shootings, did you at all think this could be John?

C. WILLIAMS: No, I did not.

KING: You were shocked when you learned it was him.

C. WILLIAMS: Very shocked, yes.

KING: What about you, Lynn?

L. WILLIAMS: Of course. This was my father, so of course I'd be shock.

KING: Did you ever, in your own mind, come to a conclusion of a reason for this.

L. WILLIAMS: No, I haven't.

KING: Have you?


KING: What are your thoughts, Vincent, as a new member into the family?

HUTCHINSON: Like I said, it's been a big twist for my whole family. We're just coping with it, and trying to make the best out of it.

KING: How do you prepare for tomorrow, Carol?

C. WILLIAMS: A lot of prayers. I'm praying for myself, for my son, and also for the families of the victims.

KING: How do you feel about his second wife?

C. WILLIAMS: I really have, you know, no feelings. I mean, I knew her way back, you know.

KING: Apparently he was out to kill her. That's her feeling.

C. WILLIAMS: Yes. Those are her feelings, you know.

KING: Do you know if he changed much after coming back from the Gulf War?

L. WILLIAMS: I couldn't tell you because I never really had a relationship with my father. I couldn't tell you what he was like before the war and then after the war.

KING: You had no relationship with him.

L. WILLIAMS: Not much.

KING: How old were you when they divorced.

L. WILLIAMS: About two?

C. WILLIAMS: Yes, about two years old.

KING: He didn't visit you?

L. WILLIAMS: Several times, but nothing that could make a major impact.

KING: How do you feel about tomorrow?

L. WILLIAMS: I had seven years to come to terms with it. So tomorrow I have to go in there and do what I've got to do.

KING: Do you think you'll embrace him?

L. WILLIAMS: What you mean, like walk in and hug him?

KING: Hug him?

L. WILLIAMS: There will probably be a hug, but more so it is just going to be a conference. We need to talk, get some things out in the open. I haven't talked to him in years. Of course I have some questions that I need to ask him.

KING: What time are you meeting him, Carol?

C. WILLIAMS: It will be around 1:00.

KING: What time is he scheduled to be injected?

C. WILLIAMS: Around 9:00.

KING: Around 9:00. Just when we go on the air tomorrow.

C. WILLIAMS: Around 9:00 tomorrow night.

KING: Do you plan to attend?

C. WILLIAMS: Oh, no.

KING: You don't want to see that? How about you, Lynn?

L. WILLIAMS: I don't want to attend it.

KING: How do you feel, Vincent, as a sort of new member in all of this?

HUTCHINSON: Well, one thing, Larry, we've all been thrust into this. Like Carol said earlier, our sympathy goes out to the victims' families, but we're also a victim as well. We're prepared, after tomorrow, to take his body back home.

KING: To where?

HUTCHINSON: Baton Rouge, Louisiana. We're prepared to give him a private burial and everything. And, you know, he'll leave with us when we leave Virginia.

KING: He will fly on the plane?

HUTCHINSON: Yes. We'll see to it that he -- that he's given a private burial.

KING: Aren't you at all a little sad, Carol?

C. WILLIAMS: I'm very sad. I'm very sad. Very sad.

KING: We'll be right back. By the way, we have an exclusive blog from former police chief Charles Moose, who was the face of the D.C. Sniper investigation. We should all remember him. He talks about tomorrow's scheduled execution, reflects on what happened. Go to and click on our blog to read it.

I forgot my own name. It's that kind of night. John Allen Muhammad, in his own words, in letters, in 60 seconds.


KING: John Muhammad will be executed tomorrow by lethal injection at the Greensville Correctional Center in Jarratt, Virginia. He did not write letters to his second wife, who was with us earlier. But he did write to you, Carol, did he not?


KING: A lot?

C. WILLIAMS: He wrote a lot. I have tons of letters from him.

KING: Were you surprised when you got the first one?

C. WILLIAMS: I was. I was very surprised.

KING: Did he write to you, Lynn?

L. WILLIAMS: He pretty much wrote to my mom, but he referred to me and asked about me in a lot of the letters.

KING: I know you don't want to read from the. But these are the letters. There you see them right there, written from the prison. We'll read a portion of one now.

"I wish you didn't have to go through this. Carol, I was proud of him. When you told me you were with child, thank you, Carol, for fighting death to bring Lynn into this world. Yes, I am very proud of Lynn. But you, Carol, without you, our beautiful son wouldn't be here. Keep our son strong and in good health for years to come, Lynn. Take care of my daughter." There's a girl, too?

C. WILLIAMS: No. That's his wife.

KING: Your wife is his daughter-in-law? Does he know her well?

L. WILLIAMS: Not really.

KING: How do you feel, Lynn, when he expresses an emotion of that of love for you when you say you hardly know him?

L. WILLIAMS: Of course I feel that he loves me because he's my father. He brought me into this world, so he should have love for the seed that he didn't watch grow up, but know it grew to be a beautiful plant.

KING: Carol, do you have any feelings about these -- when you read these letters, what goes through you?

C. WILLIAMS: Lots of things go through me. He wanted his kids to know how much he loved them. He loved his kids so much. And he wanted them to know that. So he wanted me to tell his kids that he loved them very much.

KING: Do you know his other children?


KING: Do you get along with them?

L. WILLIAMS: Yes, talk all the time.

KING: You know the wife, too?

C. WILLIAMS: Yes, I know the family.

KING: Will you be at the prison tomorrow?

HUTCHINSON: Yes, I will.

KING: But you won't meet with him?

HUTCHINSON: No, I won't meet with him. But I'll be at the prison. Like I said, we've made arrangements to -- after everything is over, to bring him home. And to comment on the letters, Larry, we have boxes of them.

KING: How often did he write?

C. WILLIAMS: I got a letter at least maybe twice a week.

KING: Twice a week. You ever try to visit him, no?

C. WILLIAMS: No, I never tried to visit him. I tried later, right before, but it didn't work out.

KING: How about talking to him on the phone?

C. WILLIAMS: Yes, I spoke to him on the phone.

KING: What was he like?

C. WILLIAMS: Basically, he wanted me to just let his kids know that he loved them very much, and to just tell me some different things, that he was sorry that he never gave our marriage a chance to work, because he was having an affair. So basically he was just apologizing.

KING: That's why you got divorced?

C. WILLIAMS: Yes, that's the reason for the divorce. KING: Did you talk to him on the phone, Lynn?

L. WILLIAMS: Yes. I talked to him.

KING: What was that like?

L. WILLIAMS: I was happy to see that he was very humble, and he came to terms for what has happened.

KING: Do you think he regrets what he did?

L. WILLIAMS: Yes. I really do.

KING: Carol?


KING: More of John Allen Muhammad's letters when we come back.



KING: Carol, we have another letter we're going to read. Again, these -- there were many, many letters. You got barrels of them. We've been showing parts of them. He writes with very small handwriting.

He writes, "you need to be here in Virginia on the night of November nine, 2009, so that you can be at this prison at 8:30 am on November 10, 2009, so that you can see me at 9:00 am to 11:00 am, and then take an hour and a half break, and then see me again for a contact visit from 1:00 p.m. to 3:00 p.m.

"Carol, I have missed my family for the past eight years. I don't want to be missed the day that these devils murder my innocent black ass. Carol, the time that you're giving me is too late or you will have to leave. When if you do what I've said, you'll see me for four hours. So please, Carol, get there at 8:30 for our family. Don't forget that. Thanks, love John. And thanks to get healthy and stay strong and healthy. Thanks, Carol, much."

Well, you're not going to make that 8:30, are you? If you're flying back tonight -- how long is the drive from the Washington airport to where you're going?

HUTCHINSON: It takes about an hour.

KING: So you'll get there around 10:00?


KING: So then you'll have time with him in the morning and then again 1:00 to 3:00 in the afternoon, right?

C. WILLIAMS: That's our plans. KING: All right. And he's scheduled to die at 9:00? When you leave him at 3:00, are you going to go right home?

C. WILLIAMS: We're going to go, yes, back to the hotel. We're not going to go home. Because like they said, we're planning to bring him home with us.

KING: So you'll be at the hotel when he is --


KING: When they --


KING: When they kill him -- that's what they're doing -- you'll be at the hotel?


KING: And hopefully we'll be able to talk to you tomorrow night by phone, get your reaction, and tell us what he said on the last day of his life. Though, he says in this letter, Lynn, that he's innocent. Or at least he's -- he's saying that. They're going to get me. They're going to take care of me. And I don't want to be missed as they murder my innocent black ass. What do you think he means by that?

L. WILLIAMS: To be real, I don't know. I'm not here to judge. He's been judged already. So it's not me to say if he's innocent or not. Twelve people of his peers have judged him already. So we have come to terms with it. It is what it is.

KING: You don't think he was innocent do you, Carol?

C. WILLIAMS: Right now, I -- actually, his lawyer told us not to make any comments on that.

KING: Are they still doing any last ditch things?


KING: With the governor?


L. WILLIAMS: Yes. I think they are.

KING: So are you surprised to hear him saying he's still innocent?

HUTCHINSON: Like I said, Larry, you know, I read over so many letters. And -- no, I'm not surprised whatsoever.

KING: There was pretty conclusive proof, wasn't it? I'm trying to remember back. We'll be back with our remaining moments with Carol Williams, Lindbergh Williams and Vince Hutchinson after this.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A federal arrest warrant has been issued for John Allen Muhammad, also known as John Allen Williams.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: An hour later, the car was spotted by a truck driver at a rest area 50 miles northwest of Washington, D.C. At 3:19 a.m., Malvo and Muhammad, who had been sleeping, were taken into custody without incident. Three weeks of death, three weeks of terror, three weeks of desperate searching were over.


KING: During the break, I asked Lindbergh if he had received a lot of people giving him a lot of grief over this. We did remind him that the last time you were here, we didn't have your face on. We had you in shadows. Is this the first time you've been seen publicly?


KING: I'm sure nobody blames you.


KING: Vincent, you tell me that Carol's planning a book?

HUTCHINSON: Yes. She's writing her memoir. And in the process of putting this memoir together, we were lying in bed and watching TV. She said I have a perfect title. And I was like, OK. She was like, "From The Beginning To The End." And a light went off. I said that's OK. Because they met at a young age, and the end would be that her and my son, Lynn, and his wife would be the last ones to ever speak to him. I was like, OK, that sounds good. Yes.

She has a lot. Like I said, her and John did end on a bad marriage breakup. It was because of adultery. You know, that's what --

KING: "From The Beginning To The End," you will be the last people with her. You call him your son.

HUTCHINSON: I have always called him my son.

KING: Do you feel like he's your dad?


HUTCHINSON: I've been in his life since the age of two years old.

KING: And you will be the last people other than the warden or whatever takes place to talk to him.


KING: Well, it ain't going to be easy.

C. WILLIAMS: I know. It's very hard.

KING: You haven't seen him, right?

C. WILLIAMS: No, I haven't seen him.

KING: You didn't attend the trial?


KING: It will be hard for you, too. I mean you know that.

L. WILLIAMS: I'm pretty sure it's going to be hard. But I don't think it's going to be hard as it is from the outsiders looking in. You see what I'm saying? Like I said, I've had all this time to come to terms with it.

KING: OK. We hope, if everything is OK, to talk you to tomorrow night after it's over, to tell us what he said, how you felt. Thank you all. Thanks for coming. Thanks for flying out here.

HUTCHINSON: Thank you.

KING: Carol Williams, John Allen Muhammad's first ex-wife, Lynn Williams, his son, and Vincent Hutchinson is Carol's fiance.

We'll see you tomorrow night.