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Nancy Grace
Mother`s Boyfriend Charged With Kidnapping Fayetteville 5-Year-Old
Aired November 12, 2009 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live North Carolina. A 5- year-old little girl vanishes without a trace from the child`s own home. Mommy tells police she left the little girl on the sofa 5:30 AM. One hour later, the baby is gone. How does a 5-year-old girl go missing from her own sofa? The child wearing nothing but a T-shirt and underwear, her little blanket, Shaniya`s favorite blanket found discarded, covered in feces, in the neighbor`s trash.
Bombshell tonight. An arrest goes down. Who else, the mother`s boyfriend. That`s right, the live-in. But even with an arrest, still no sign of Shaniya. Cops still don`t know whether she`s dead or alive or where she is. A tipster spots the boyfriend driving away with the 5-year- old. Timeline critical. That timeline will reveal whether Mommy`s covering for the live-in. This after a neighbor tells us she hears loud banging 3:00 AM. That was the same morning Shaniya goes missing. Tonight, where is 5-year-old Shaniya?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you Clarence D. Coe?
CLARENCE COE, CHARGED WITH KIDNAPPING: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Coe, you are charged with a felony of first degree kidnapping. This is your first appearance. Do you understand why you`re here today, sir?
COE: No, but I`m not guilty, sir. That`s all I got to say about it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police have arrested a suspect in the disappearance of a 5-year-old, Shaniya Davis, though there`s still no sign of her. Police in Fayetteville, North Carolina, say they took Clarence Coe into custody. He`s charged now with first degree kidnapping. He has a record dating back eight years, including convictions for assault on a female and felony breaking and entering.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sir, the state of North Carolina alleges that on or about the date of November 10th, 2009, that you did commit the felony of first degree kidnapping of Shaniya Davis and terrorizing Antoinette Davis. Do you understand that?
COE: I understand.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sir, I must advise you that first-degree kidnapping is a C, class C felony. You could get 261 months in prison. Do you understand that?
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GRACE: And tonight, live to Oregon and the disappearance of a gorgeous young satellite TV saleswoman, mother of two, Jayme Sue Austin. She calls her mom to say her water`s on the blink, wants to shower at Mom`s. Fine. Noon, the workplace calls Mom to ask, Where`s Jayme? She never made it to work. Mom races home to find daughter`s car still in the driveway, the shower used, signs in the bathroom of a struggle.
Tonight, we learn clues uncovered in the home. Jayme`s mother with us live. Tonight, where is 31-year-old Jayme Sue Austin?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stunning details emerge in the search for missing mother of two Jayme Sue Austin. Jayme`s mom reveals many potential clues left behind in her bathroom, including a wet rug and freshly vacuumed floor, the throw rug folded on the counter.
CINDY GISHOLT, MOTHER: I called another friend. He called me back just a few minutes later and said her car was in my driveway. He said that she wasn`t here. Someone had been in my bathroom. The sheriff`s office, because of what the bathroom looked like, they`ve listed it as suspicious, you know, as a crime.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Perhaps most disturbing, a necklace Jayme really like found broken insisted the vacuum. Her mom says Jayme wouldn`t have thrown the necklace away. She would have given to her mom to fix instead. Investigators expanding their search, trying to find Jayme in the crucial 72-hour time window. How does someone taking a shower just disappear?
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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Live, North Carolina. A 5-year-old little girl vanishes without a trace from the child`s own home. Now, mommy tells police she left the little girl on the sofa 5:30 AM. Why? Why do you leave your child alone on a sofa 5:30 AM? One hour later, the baby gone. A 5-year-old goes missing from her own sofa? Little Shaniya`s favorite blanket, covered in feces, found discarded in the neighbors` trash.
Bombshell tonight. An arrest goes down, but we still don`t know where Shaniya is or even if she`s dead or alive.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What are you going to do about an attorney in your case?
COE: I`ll go with a court-appointed lawyer.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have already completed an affidavit, sir. I have reviewed the affidavit, and it appears that you`re eligible for a court-appointed attorney and I`m going to appoint a member of the public defender staff to represent you. Do you understand what I`m doing, sir?
COE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you have a public defender helping you on any other matter in this county at the present time, sir?
COE: No, I don`t have any other charges.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police in Fayetteville, North Carolina, have made an arrest in the disappearance of a 5-year-old girl. Little Shaniya Davis reported missing Tuesday morning from her mobile home. Well, now witnesses tell police her mom`s boyfriend, Clarence Coe, was seen driving off with her. The 30-year-old is charged with first-degree kidnapping, but again, still no sign of little Shaniya.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have an additional right, and that is the right to remain silent. Do you understand that, sir?
COE: Yes, I do.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This concludes your first appearance. Your new court date is December 2nd. Do you have any questions?
COE: No, I don`t.
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GRACE: Did you see him rolling his eyes in court just a couple of hours ago? He`s charged, formally charged, with the kidnap of this 5-year- old little girl, Shaniya, and he rolls his eyes and says he doesn`t have a question? Well, I got some questions for him!
But tonight, I`m going to have to settle for Ken Smith, reporter with WRAL, joining us there on the scene in Fayetteville, North Carolina. Ken, tell me the latest.
KEN SMITH, WRAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, here`s what we know. Thirty- year-old Clarence Coe -- he`s got a record. He has a sordid past dating back eight years. He apparently a few years ago already served time in jail for...
GRACE: OK, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. I`m very interested in his resume, Ken, but can you start with this little girl, for Pete`s sake, please? What can you tell me?
SMITH: Yes.
GRACE: I mean, he gets arrested, and we still don`t know if she`s dead or alive?
SMITH: Absolutely. And this disappearance of this little girl has just devastated this community. We talked to neighbors today. They cannot believe that this could happen to this 5-year-old little girl. They`re apparently not get any information out of Clarence Coe. They`re reinterviewing witnesses out of that mobile home park.
Now that Coe is behind bars, they`re hoping that people will start coming up out with information that they weren`t willing to share initially. They`re going back now to interview those people because now that he`s in jail, they`re thinking, well, maybe they`ll give up some of that information, Nancy.
GRACE: Also joining us Gurnal Scott with WPTF radio. Gurnal, they arrest the guy, to my understanding, based on a report from somebody in that area, somebody in that residential area neighborhood that saw him leaving in his car with the girl. One question Gurnal Scott. Yes, no. Do we know what time they placed the child in the car with the defendant?
GURNAL SCOTT, WPTF RADIO (via telephone): The answer to that, as far as police are saying, they`re not giving up that information. So no, we do not know...
GRACE: OK.
SCOTT: ... exactly what time that is.
GRACE: So the answer is no. And you know where I`m going with that, Marlaina Schiavo. If somebody can tell me the time that they see this man, right there on the screen, with this little girl in his car, then I will know if Mommy is lying because Mommy says to police, I put the baby on the sofa at 5:30 AM. Why she left the child unattended, I don`t know. At 6:30 AM, she says she notices the child is gone. So unless he had the child between 5:30 and 6:30, then Mommy`s timeline is way out of whack, Marlaina Schiavo.
MARLAINA SCHIAVO, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: That`s right, Nancy. And what we`re trying to find out from police is who saw these two in the car, and where was Shaniya in this car? And police said about the mother, they have not cleared her, Nancy. So they are asking her about this timeline. They`re trying to figure out exactly when they were driving out of the mobile park community.
GRACE: Got it. I want to go to a special guest joining us tonight, Barbara Davenport. She is the park manager who rented the home to Shaniya`s family. Ms. Davenport, thank you for being with us.
BARBARA DAVENPORT, MOBILE HOME PARK MANAGER (via telephone): Hi. Good to be here.
GRACE: What can you tell us about this Clarence Coe, the suspect in the disappearance of little Shaniya?
DAVENPORT: I had very little contact with Mr. Coe, other than two instances where I had to tell him stay off the property. And during the second instance, he became very confrontational, and when he got out of his vehicle, I thought he was going to assault me.
GRACE: Ms. Davenport, why were you telling him to stay off the property? I`m very intrigued with that.
DAVENPORT: Because he came in violating the park rules. And when I told him he was violating the park rules and to please not do it again, he became rude and disrespectful and belligerent. So at that point, I said, Fine, if that`s how you want to be, I do not want you this property again.
GRACE: What was he doing to break the rules?
DAVENPORT: And he said, That`s fine with me. I won`t come back.
GRACE: Ms. Davenport, what was he doing to break the rules?
DAVENPORT: He was playing his car stereo very loud.
GRACE: Just what you don`t want to hear when you get home from work...
DAVENPORT: Exactly.
GRACE: ... is somebody with their boom box playing outside!
DAVENPORT: Boom, boom, boom, vibrating your walls, yes.
GRACE: But obviously, he did get back in. How often did he stay in the home with Shaniya Davis and her mother?
DAVENPORT: Now that, I have no idea. I only encountered him one time after that, and that was when the confrontation got kind of ugly and I did call the police.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you Clarence D. Coe?
COE: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Coe, you are charged with a felony of first- degree kidnapping. This is your first appearance. Do you understand why you`re here today, sir?
COE: No, but I`m not guilty, sir. That`s all I got to say about it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sir, the state of North Carolina alleges that on or about the date of November 10th, 2009, that you did commit the felony of first-degree kidnapping of Shaniya Davis and terrorizing...
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shaniya Davis was kidnapped from this mobile home at Sleepy Hollow Drive in Fayetteville. Police believe this man, Clarence Coe, is the one who did it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you Clarence D. Coe?
COE: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Coe, you are charged with a felony of first- degree kidnapping. This is your first appearance. Do you understand why you`re here today, sir?
COE: No, but I`m not guilty, sir. That`s all I got say about that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Investigators say a witness saw Coe driving off with the girl. They don`t think this was a random act but won`t give any insight as to how Coe knew the victim or the family.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re dealing with, I guess, getting very differing stories constantly, so we`re trying to piece together the truth of the situation and what was going on at the time.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The girl`s mother previously told police she put Shaniya on the couch in their mobile home at around 5:0 on Tuesday morning. An hour later, she said, the girl was gone. But a neighbor tells WRAL, two hours earlier, at around 3:00 o`clock, someone placed the little girl`s blanket in her garbage can.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... from what I was told, that there was feces spread all over that porch and rail over at the little girl`s house. And this blanket was covered in feces.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: While authorities work toward the truth, one fact remains, Shaniya Davis is missing.
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GRACE: Straight back out to Ken Smith with WRAL. He was in court today. What happened?
SMITH: I`ll tell you what. Coe walked into court. He was rolling his eyes, showed no emotion. When the judge asked him if he understood the charges he was facing, he initially said, No, and, I`m not guilty, and, That`s all I have to say about it. But of course, once he said that, the judge laid out the charges for him. He`s facing charges of kidnapping and for terrorizing Antoinette Davis, which is Shaniya`s mom. And she`s somebody that investigators are paying attention to because investigators are telling us that over the last several days, she`s given them conflicting reports about how her little girl went missing, Nancy.
GRACE: Uh! Uh! Oh! Oh! Wait! Wait! Back it up! Ken smith, the mother`s changed her story?
SMITH: Absolutely. Initially, she told investigators that she put the child on the couch at 5:00 AM, an hour later, the child was gone. Witnesses telling police tonight that at 3:00 AM, she heard a rustling in her garbage can, and that`s where they found that blanket that`s now into evidence. So for the last several days, investigators have been talking with Antoinette Davis and still not getting any information. So they`re trying to sort through her different stories and all the tips and leads that they`re getting to, hopefully, get to the truth, Nancy.
GRACE: Right. Of course they are. Out to Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst and author of "Deal Breakers." She`s joining us from LA. Bethany, take a listen to this.
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GRACE: Caryn, are you ever surprised? I always lost (ph) -- no matter how many times it happened, I`m trying to remember one time a mother sided with the dead or molested or abused child over the husband or boyfriend, and I`m not remembering out of 10 years of felony prosecution a single time the mother sided with the child.
CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, Nancy, I think you`re right about that and...
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GRACE: Out to Bethany. Why? Why? I`m hearing from Ken Smith reports that the mother has changed her story several times about the disappearance of her 5-year-old girl.
Everybody, look at this girl. Look at her. Look at Shaniya, 3 feet, 40 pounds, beautiful brown eyes, brown hair, thin build. She was wearing a blue sleep T-shirt and pink underwear, no shoes. The little thing didn`t even have on any shoes. The tip line is 910-433-1856, $100,000 reward.
When I think of little Lucy or little John David out there with no shoes on, a T-shirt and underwear -- what do you make of this mother?
BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: Nancy, she knew that her boyfriend had a criminal history. He was once in jail, and she allowed this perpetrator into her home with her children! I believe there`s either a possibility she was more attached to him than her own children -- Nancy, there`s a possibility that she and her boyfriend beat the little girl, and because of traumatic abuse, that`s why there`s feces all over the blanket and all over the back porch. And she solicited the boyfriend to take the little girl away because the little girl was dead.
GRACE: As of tonight the mother is not charged. Just this man, Clarence Darrell (ph) Coe. We`ll be back with Marc Klaas.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do you want to do about an attorney in your case?
COE: I`ll go with court-appointed attorney.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have already completed an affidavit, sir. I have reviewed the affidavit and it appears that you`re eligible for a court-appointed attorney, and I`m going to appoint a member of the public defender`s staff to represent you. Do you understand what I`m doing, sir?
COE: Yes.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have an additional right, and that is the right to remain silent. Do you understand that, sir?
COE: Yes, I do.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You should not speak about the facts of this case with anyone, unless it is an attorney who is properly representing you.
COE: I know.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you speak with anyone else, sir, it`ll be used against you in a court of law. You do not want to talk with anybody about this unless it is your attorney. Do you understand your rights, including your right to remain silent?
COE: Yes, I do.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right, sir. This concludes your first appearance. Your new court date is December 2nd. Do you have any questions?
COE: No, I don`t.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What are you going to do about an attorney in your case?
COE: I`ll go with court-appointed lawyer.
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GRACE: I guess you are getting a court-appointed lawyer, and I`ve got to pay for it!
Unleash the lawyers, John Burris, defense attorney renowned in the San Francisco area and throughout, and Paul Batista, a veteran trial lawyer, defense attorney in the New York jurisdiction, author of "Death`s Witness." Good evening, gentlemen.
First to you, Burris. Yes, I`m paying the bill, for him. And while he`s getting two hots and a cot tonight, his breakfast is cold. He`s not even telling police where the little girl is, John Burris? Now, if you were his defense attorney, would you advise him to tell where the child is? If he`s not telling, that means one thing to me, she`s dead.
JOHN BURRIS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, it doesn`t necessarily mean that at all. Right now, he`s been charged, and so the first thing we have do is figure out what happened, what his story is. I wouldn`t advise him to talk to the police at all until after I`ve had a real thorough conversation with him about what he knows and doesn`t know. Right now, the evidence probably isn`t all that great against him. It seems to me he ought to...
GRACE: Yes, there`s only an eyewitness...
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GRACE: ... leaving that morning.
BURRIS: You don`t know how good that eyewitness is. You don`t that yet. That person hasn`t been tested. We don`t even know what time this was seen yet.
GRACE: Yes, you`re right. Paul Batista, I guess you and Burris would attack the witness on the stand.
PAUL BATISTA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Absolutely. Of course.
GRACE: (INAUDIBLE) what, you didn`t have your glasses on? But forget that. What I want to ask you is, knowing that he may very well know where the child is or where her body is, you would advise him not to speak to police. Yes, no, Batista.
BATISTA: Of course not. He`s a defendant in a criminal case. A judge`s told him he`s exposed to 240 years in jail. Do you think he`s going to tell you anything? Of course not. It`s his right to remain silent, Nancy.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`re treating this as she`s endangered and she was abducted. And we`re taking it of the utmost importance and seriousness. So again, we`re aggressively looking for her.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you Clarence D. Coe?
CLARENCE D. COE, SUSPECT IN THE ALLEGED KIDNAPPING OF SHANIYA DAVIS: UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Coe, you are charged with a felony of first- degree kidnapping. This is your first appearance. Do you understand why you`re here today, sir?
COE: No, but I`m not guilty, sir. That`s all that I have to say about that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sir, the state of North Carolina alleges that on or about the date of November 10th, 2009 that you did commit the felony of first-degree kidnapping of Shaniya Davis and terrorizing Antoinette Davis. Do you understand that?
COE: I understand.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sir, I must advise you that first-degree kidnapping is a C, class C felony. You could get 261 months in prison. Do you understand that?
COE: Mm-hmm.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What are you going to do about an attorney in your case?
COE: I`ll go with court-appointed lawyer.
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Straight out to Marc Klaas, the president and founder of KlaasKids. Marc, it`s not looking good and the fact that he is under arrest, having last been seen with the little girl -- don`t know when, I can`t get a time line out of police -- when that neighbor saw him driving off in his own car with her.
We still don`t know if she`s dead or alive or where she is. That is - - does not bode well.
MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Well, no, it doesn`t bode well and I don`t think anybody has to tell this character not to say anything. I don`t think he intends to speak one word to anybody about this case.
The weak link is obviously the mother. What exactly are these conflicting stories of hers? How exactly is it that she puts the little girl down at 5:00 in a house full -- with six other people, and that five other people, and is able to fall asleep to the point that she doesn`t notice somebody else comes in and gets the little girl within the next hour?
None of this stuff makes sense. If they`re going to break this case, she`s probably the weak link and the one that they`re going to use to break it.
GRACE: Liz, let`s show the shots. The new shots that we have of little Shaniya. The tip line, everyone, 910-433-1856. There is a chance this child is still alive. Take a look.
Straight out to Bethany Marshall. Bethany, explain to me your thoughts on the mom. Now, I think that Klaas is correct. They`re not going to crack Coe behind bars.
BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": No.
GRACE: This is not his first time around the block. He`s been behind bars on several occasions. He knows not to talk. She`s not the same. If I were the cops, I would be honing in on her to crack her.
MARSHALL: I agree. Because like most women who allow men to abuse their children, her primary loyalty is going to be the abuser. Was their history domestic abuse in this household? The neighborhood -- a neighbor heard a huge commotion around 3:00 in the morning where the mother and the boyfriend arguing and the little girl got caught up in the fight.
Was he abusing the little girl and he tried stop her? Was there ritualistic abuse being performed against the child and then they had to get rid of her?
GRACE: I want to go out to Dr. Leigh Vinocur at the University of Maryland, School of Medicine. Dr. Vinocur, thank you so much for being with us.
DR. LEIGH VINOCUR, UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND SCHOOL OF MEDICINE: My pleasure.
GRACE: Dr. Vinocur, this is not a pleasant question, but we do know her favorite blanket was found crammed in the neighbor`s dumpster covered in feces. Now obviously there may be a way to identify bodily fluids and determine if it is from Shaniya, but my question to you is, assuming the child is potty trained, what would make her poop like that? Would it be from -- could it be from an intense beating or from some type of an abuse?
VINOCUR: Speculating it possibly could be from a beating. Was it from sexual abuse? Or did she just have an accident and they used her favorite blanket as a form of punishment and then maybe beat her too badly. I mean it`s really hard to say.
GRACE: Well, you know, you brought up a good point, Dr. Vinocur. Because if had been -- I`m going to give the mom the benefit of the doubt. If she had been lying there on the sofa, maybe she was lying on her favorite -- or with her favorite blanket and had an accident. So maybe that is the best -- the most innocent explanation I can come up for that.
VINOCUR: True. But even in those instances -- if it is a situation of either domestic violence or child abuse, sometime when a child has an accident, the abuser just goes into a rage and you know, possibly harms the child too violently, but it`s hard to speculate without much evidence right now.
GRACE: Back to Ken Smith, with WRAL. Ken, what can you tell me about alleged conflicting statements by the mommy? Give it to me in a nutshell.
KEN SMITH, REPORTER, CNN AFFILIATE WRAL, ON THE SCENE, FROM COURTHOUSE: I`ll tell you what, that -- she`s saying that she put the child down at 5:00 a.m. and an hour later, she -- the child disappeared. Investigators aren`t saying what those conflicting stories are just they are conflicting, just that they are conflicting. They`re trying to get to the truth.
GRACE: Gurnal Scott, what do you know?
GURNAL SCOTT, ANCHOR/REPORTER, WPTF RADIO (via phone): Well, you have to look at the time line. You heard the commotion at about 3:00 a.m. The child was put on the couch at 5:30 a.m. none of us know what happened in that time frame in between.
So they`re looking at these stories and trying to make it fit together so they can actually find out what happened to this little girl.
GRACE: To Bill Majeski, former NYPD detective, now at Majeski Associates Inc. Bill, what do you advise cops to do right now?
BILL MAJESKI, FMR. NYPD DETECTIVE, MAJESKI ASSOCIATES, INC.: I think the key is this witness that saw him walk away with the child. What was the condition of the child.
GRACE: Drive away. Drive away.
MAJESKI: Drive away. What was the condition of the child when he drove away? Was the child awake? Was he carryings the child? Was the child wrapped up in the blanket? And the key is also that this blanket was thrown away. If it was an accident more likely the mother would have taken the blanket and washed it.
GRACE: Exactly.
MAJESKI: They got rid of that blanket because that blanket had some kind of evidence on it that could attach a crime to those two people and that`s why their blanket was thrown away.
GRACE: Majeski, you are so correct. In all of the times I`ve washed the twins` clothes, their blankets, their sheets, very often in the middle of the night, I never think of throwing them away. I wash them. You are so correct, Bill Majeski.
Back to you, Marlaina Schiavo. What more can you tell me? You`ve been in touch with police all day.
MARLAINA SCHIAVO, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: I have and what they`re telling us right now, Nancy, is that they`re going over -- they`re re-interviewing a lot of people they`ve already spoken to. They`re also going over areas they`ve already searched and then there`s this surveillance video from the mobile home park.
They`re still going through all the footage and they`re concentrating on that morning, specifically, of, you know, the time line of when the video caught people walking around.
GRACE: Right. Everyone, tip line, 910-433-1856. We`ll all be right back. But tonight, the NG family album. Now here are some of our photos. Our favorites. These are the twins, Lucy and John David, after their birth. There`s Lucy in the laundry basket and little John David on my side of the bed, all propped up for a photo.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Jayme always punctual to work. She called her job to tell them she`d be running a few minutes late because she couldn`t get water at her house. She called her mother just a few doors down and asked to use her shower but Jayme never made it to work and is never heard from again.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: As the frantic search for missing mom Jayme Sue Austin continues, new inside details emerged about the bathroom where Jayme is believed to have taken a shower. Mom Cindy Gisholt tells "The Oregonian" that bathroom was soaking wet and someone had vacuumed.
CINDY GISHOLT, MOTHER OF MISSING WOMAN, JAYME SUE AUSTIN: Someone had taken a shower. The carpet was wet. Clear out to my counter, you know, the counter on the other side of the room. It was quite wet, yes.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Jayme`s prized puka shell necklace, found not on the counter but broken and inside the canister of a vacuum. What happened?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I suspect something`s up. I don`t know. Is this too unusual for her?
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Investigators continue to question scores of witnesses as the search by air, land, and water continues.
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GRACE: I`m going to go to our reporters in just a moment but first Jayme`s mother. Jayme Sue Austin, age 31. A beautiful mother of two. Her mom is with us. This girl literally vanishes out of the shower.
With us tonight, special guest, the mother, Jayme Sue`s mother, Miss Cindy Gisholt.
Miss Gisholt, thank you for being with us. It`s my understanding, after you and I spoke last night, your daughter calls you earlier in the morning. She never misses work. OK? She`s a satellite TV sales lady. Says my water is on the blink. Can I come down the street and take a shower at your place?
You go, sure. And you`re already gone. Then her place of business calls you around noon and says where is she? Then you go looking for her. You know something`s wrong. And then you get a phone call. You`re out looking up and down roadways that her car is parked at your house.
What are police telling you that you can share with us? I know you`ve been extremely tight-lipped and I understand, but what can you share with us, anything?
GISHOLT: You know I really don`t have anything to update today that I didn`t let you guys know about yesterday. Everyone`s still out searching. You know your show has been tremendous to get the word out. You know the newspapers, word of mouth, friends and family. Just getting the word out that she`s missing. We`ve got posters -- you know.
GRACE: Well, I just don`t understand it, Miss Gisholt. I mean what time did you leave home that morning?
GISHOLT: 7:00.
GRACE: So you leave the home 7:00. What time did she call you?
GISHOLT: You know I think it was probably around -- it was between 8:00 and 8:30. You know maybe 8:15.
GRACE: OK.
GISHOLT: I`m not positive.
GRACE: Now at her job, did she go door-to-door? Did she serve people that came into the office? Did she make cold calls on the phone? What was the nature of her business?
GISHOLT: No, she was strictly inside sales.
GRACE: OK. So she dealt with sales there in the office. All right, I`m just trying to think. So she went to work typically at what time, Miss Gisholt?
GISHOLT: You know, I -- she worked different hours at different times, days of the week. But normally I think 9:00 to 6:00.
GRACE: OK. So she calls you. Wakes up. Her water`s not working. She calls you. You were there at 7:00. Everything was fine. She was alive and well, 8:00 to 8:30. Coming to your place. And then all of a sudden by noon she`s gone.
I want to go to Stacey Newman. Stacey, Miss Gisholt, understandably, is not sharing everything that she knows from police. But Stacey, what have you learned from your sources? What have we learned about clues inside the home, Stacey?
STACEY NEWMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, we told you last night about -- that there were signs of a struggle in that bathroom. That obviously was wet. Now here`s what we`re hearing now.
GRACE: What do you mean? No, no, nobody told me obviously wet. Don`t just jump ahead. What do you mean "obviously wet"?
NEWMAN: Well, we reported last night that the shower had been used.
GRACE: Right, that`s not the bathroom. You said the bathroom is wet.
NEWMAN: The carpet was also soaked as well.
GRACE: Wait. Put Newman back up there. So you`re telling me the carpet is wet. That tells me that the water came out of the shower for I don`t even know how long. Because if the carpet is still wet at 12:00 noon, that`s not just her stepping out of the shower wet from the shower, all right?
That is the water coming down on the carpet which she would not have done at her mother`s bathroom. What else, Stacey? The carpet`s wet.
NEWMAN: The carpet`s wet. Also a throw rug was folded on the counter. We also have learned as well the bathroom was completely vacuumed. And in the vacuum canister, Jayme`s favorite shell necklace. Alarming clues, Nancy.
GRACE: Now, her necklace, why do you say it was her favorite necklace?
NEWMAN: Well, this was a necklace that she wore so many times and even when it would fall apart. This is a puka shell necklace.
GRACE: Right, the little white shells?
NEWMAN: Correct. Even if when it would fall apart she would ask her mom to restring it. That`s how much she loved this necklace. Why was it in pieces on the floor at some point it had been vacuumed. That is also an alarming clue, Nancy.
GRACE: OK, this is what`s disturbing me, Marc Klaas, right now in addition to everything. Marc Klaas, president and founder of KlassKids Foundation. His expertise is missing people. Marc?
KLAAS: Yes.
GRACE: Whoever vacuumed up that sopping wet carpet in the bathroom felt there was no rush. They had plenty of time to vacuum, to clean up, to fold up the rug and put it away.
Now we know she, the victim, would not have vacuumed up her own necklace. She would not have done that. She would have put it back together like she did every other time.
So the perpetrator obviously felt that he had time to clean up after himself. He was in no danger of anybody coming home. Now who would know that, Marc Klaas? Who would know that?
KLAAS: Well, somebody who`s familiar with the routines of the home, is somebody who would know that. First I would like to tell Cindy to stay strong because she is going to be Jayme`s strongest advocate throughout this and she needs to continue to take care of herself so that she can see this thing through to the end.
I am really kind of stuck on this scenario that was built out last night about the stalker. That somebody was so obsessed with this young lady that he would go in multiple times and change the settings on her social networking accounts and that this was something that really concerned her because this kind of obsession can become very dangerous and it can become very deadly.
I really believe that probably the least likely scenario, because it`s such a remote location, would be the out-of-town stranger. Again, this is one that is probably very close to home. And if they can`t find her in the immediate area, perhaps they`re able to pick up a tire print and follow that to wherever she may end up -- may end up being.
GRACE: To the lawyer, John Burris, Paul Batista. It seems to me it should be an easy thing, John Burris, to go back and backtrack to find out who is calling her.
JOHN BURRIS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You would think so. I`m like Marc though. I think this is someone who knew her, knew her routine. Had some real interest in her. You can`t go to some one house and help clean it up and vacuum and all that unless you really know something.
GRACE: But remember, here`s a tiny, a tiny crease in that. This wasn`t her home and doesn`t know her routine.
BURRIS: I know but he knew something.
GRACE: She didn`t go and take a shower at her mother`s house every morning?
BURRIS: But he knew something about her.
GRACE: Right. OK.
BURRIS: And that`s what I`m really saying so this is someone.
GRACE: What about it, Batista?
PAUL BATISTA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY, AUTHOR OF "DEATH`S WITNESS": Clearly it`s someone she knew, someone close to home. Someone who would even her mother`s habits.
BURRIS: Yes.
BATISTA: They were living in the same community.
BURRIS: Yes.
BATISTA: Marc is absolutely right on this issue.
GRACE: Bethany? I think I`ve got Bethany Marshall with me.
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MARSHALL: Can you hear me now?
GRACE: Yes.
MARSHALL: Stalkers stalk complete strangers sometimes. Somebody they`ve seen in a store, they`ve seen in the grocery store, and they developed an obsessive fixation on them. The MO of stalking is to go after the victim to undo the perceived rejection. He was going into her Facebook account. She locked him out. She changed her cell phone.
That could be the moment of rejection. So what does he do? He changes the mode of stalking and he starts surveilling her home. He knows her comings and goings. And when she goes to her mother`s house she is in a vulnerable position and he strikes.
GRACE: To Cindy Gisholt, this is Jayme Sue Austin`s mother. Miss Gisholt, when this guy -- we think it`s a guy, right -- would call her and call her and call, does she have any, even a suggestion, as to who it was?
GISHOLT: No. No. You know, when --how serious it is, you know, I hear you people talking, but to her it was like, gees, I have a stalker. You know? She didn`t take it seriously. You know, it was.
GRACE: I would have taken it serious when somebody hacked into my e- mail account for the second time.
GISHOLT: Well, that`s when she did -- that`s when she did start taking it serious. And.
GRACE: To Lori.
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GRACE: To Lori Tobias with "The Oregonian." Lori, what more can you tell us?
LORI TOBIAS, STAFF WRITER, THE OREGONIAN, COVERING STORY (via phone): I think I have reported pretty much everything that I have uncovered in today`s story, the necklace, the folded towels, the wet carpet, one cell phone, the cell phone left behind. She left her dog and her cat locked in her bedroom. Had the cell phone with her.
Cindy has told me she tried to call the cell phone as I reported today in "The Oregonian." It goes right to voicemail which tells Cindy that it`s turned off. I know they`re continuing to search and they`re searching Burnt Mountain which I believe is 50 miles west of Fairview and I`m wondering what they know that led them to.
GRACE: Lori, did you say Burnt Mountain? Did you say Burnt Mountain?
TOBIAS: Yes.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Stunning details emerge in the search for missing mother of two Jayme Sue Austin. Jayme`s mom reveals many potential clues left behind in her bathroom including a wet rug and freshly vacuumed floor. The throw rug folded on the counter. Investigators expanding their search trying to find Jayme in the crucial 72-hour time window.
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GRACE: Back to Stacey Newman, our producer on the story. Stacey, do we have any idea who police have questioned?
NEWMAN: We don`t have specific names, but I know they are zeroing in on people that are close to her. One other quick fact I want to tell you is, the car in the driveway was found with the window down. There were car keys on the floor as well, Nancy, so again, something must have terribly gone wrong.
GRACE: Another question, about her boyfriend. Have we confirmed that he is in fact overseas right now with his job?
NEWMAN: Well, that is what we`re hearing. Cops are not coming out and completely confirming that, but that`s what we`re hearing. We`re also hearing that he has been confirmed to be in Alaska.
GRACE: Miss Gisholt, that`s correct, right?
GISHOLT: Actually, he`s a commercial fisherman in the Bering Sea.
GRACE: So the answer would be yes. He is overseas with his job?
GISHOLT: And I confirmed it with his employer.
GRACE: You know, Marc Klaas, that has got to be somebody that knows her very well and followed her that morning. This is not just somebody that was hanging around the mom`s house and this is a random act.
KLAAS: And she`s a grown woman. I find it very difficult to understand how this character could have attacked her in the bathroom as it seems happened and then get her outside without a huge struggle ensuing. It`s very difficult to control an individual that doesn`t want to be controlled. Particularly an adult individual.
GRACE: Everyone, tip line, 541-396-3121, extension 371.
Let`s stop and remember Army First Lieutenant Kevin Gasper, just 26, Hastings, Nebraska, killed, Iraq. A University of Nebraska Lincoln grad, awarded the Bronze Star, Purple Heart, National Defense Service medal.
Remembered as humble, dedicated, loved country, Army, sports, hunting, fishing, time with friends. Leaves behind parents Pam and John, sisters Katie and Audrey.
Kevin Gaspers, American hero.
Thanks to our guests, but especially to you for being with us and a special thank you to friend of the show, Laurie, for these beautiful pajamas for the twins, and thank you to Tennessee and South Carolina friends of the show who are with us tonight for the Mr. Snitzel`s Cookies books and all the Berenstain Bears books.
Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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