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NANCY GRACE

Body Confirmed to Be 5-Year-Old Shaniya Davis

Aired November 17, 2009 - 20:00:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, North Carolina. A 5- year-old little girl vanishes without a trace from the child`s own home. Mommy tells police she left the little girl on the sofa 5:30 AM. One hour later, the baby`s gone. How does a 5-year-old girl go missing from her own sofa? The child wearing nothing but a T-shirt and underwear. Shaniya`s favorite blanket found discarded, covered in feces, in the neighbor`s trash.

After grainy surveillance video surfaces of a 29-year-old man carrying the child into a local hotel room, the search for baby Shaniya comes to an end. Police find her little body hidden in dense woods. The man in the video, Mario McNeill, confesses to taking Shaniya to the hotel, but then he clams up. In a heart-wrenching and disgusting twist, Shaniya`s own mother behind bars for selling the little girl for sex.

Bombshell tonight. A source reveals the baby found hidden under thick vines, downed branches and trees, wearing only the little T-shirt she left home in, no pants. These details emerging about the crime scene tonight. How long had the body been there? Don`t know yet.

And tonight, we learn Mommy first seems hysterical but then calm, cool and collected when she dials 911 to report the girl gone, suggesting repeatedly to dispatch that the 5-year-old unlocked the front door herself and left on her own. Yes. Right! We have that 911 call tonight.

Also, were drugs being sold out of the home? Mommy and co-defendant in protective custody tonight, but she got one visitor, the man she first blamed for the kidnapping. As police hint more charges to come, there really are no words to describe this mother. She doesn`t even deserve the compliment of "mother." Her and her cohorts` animalistic behavior screams out for the North Carolina death penalty.

Tonight, Shaniya`s older brother with us live, taking your calls. At this hour, as that tiny body still sits in a morgue, we want justice for Shaniya!

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Found her?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Call command and tell them.

911 OPERATOR: 911. What`s your emergency?

ANTOINETTE DAVIS, SHANIYA`S MOTHER: Yes, ma`am. My name is Antoinette Davis at (DELETED) Sleepy Hollow.

911 OPERATOR: OK, ma`am. How can I help you?

DAVIS: I woke up this morning and my daughter was not in the house! I don`t know if she walked out or -- I don`t know what`s going on, but she`s not here.

911 OPERATOR: Hold old is your daughter?

DAVIS: She`s 5.

911 OPERATOR: She`s 5?

DAVIS: Yes, ma`am.

BRADLEY LOCKHART, SHANIYA`S FATHER: I can`t bless you for this day, but I bless you for my daughter! Bring her to your arms!

911 OPERATOR: What time did you wake up? When did you last see her?

DAVIS: I saw her at 5:30 last night.

911 OPERATOR: At 5:30 last night, is that when you put her to bed?

DAVIS: Yes, ma`am. No, when she went back to bed.

911 OPERATOR: OK. That was 5:00 this morning. Is that what you`re telling me?

DAVIS: Yes, ma`am.

911 OPERATOR: OK. Were there any doors open or anything like that?

DAVIS: She knows how to unlock the front door.

BRADLEY LOCKHART: Just knowing my little baby`s up there with you is making me comfort right now. You brought her home, man! You brought her home!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Details emerging on the initial burial ground for little Shaniya, as Mommy and her cohorts sit behind bars in protective custody.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: What is her name?

DAVIS: Shaniya Davis.

911 OPERATOR: Spell that name for me.

DAVIS: S-H-A-N-I-Y-A.

911 OPERATOR: And is she white, black or Hispanic?

DAVIS: She`s mixed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We got a tip. Somebody in the parking lot said that they had heard on the news or something that the guy admitted to killing the young child and dumping her where there was deer carcasses and trash. And we remember driving through here earlier and smelling something pretty nasty, so we came back to check it. And sure enough, there were deer carcasses and trash. And then some of the officers from the Virgin Islands went through here and actually saw her in there, and the dogs were showing a lot of interest. So we checked it out and confirmed.

BRADLEY LOCKHART: Don`t give up on me and don`t give up on Shaniya! She`s right there with you!

911 OPERATOR: Your door was not unlocked? That`s what you`re telling me?

DAVIS: No, it was not unlocked. But I`m telling you she knows how to unlock it. I`m hoping that she didn`t unlock it and walk out.

CAREY LOCKHART-DAVIS, SHANIYA`S AUNT: I got her out of the car and I kissed her good-bye, and I told her to be a good girl. She turned back to me and said, I love you, Aunt Carey, and see you later.

911 OPERATOR: You said none of the doors were open?

DAVIS: No, ma`am, they were locked, but she knows how to unlock the front door.

911 OPERATOR: Was it closed this morning?

DAVIS: Yes, ma`am.

911 OPERATOR: And you said it was around 5:30?

DAVIS: Yes, ma`am.

911 OPERATOR: OK. Have you checked the neighborhood?

DAVIS: I checked everywhere! I haven`t checked the back end of the neighborhood yet, but I checked the front end. I`m just -- I don`t know what else to do. I`m so -- I don`t know what else to do.

BRADLEY LOCKHART: You want me to believe, but you give me no faith to believe! But I just know that you`re walking with me and you`ve got my daughter looking down.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: That is Shaniya`s father, literally broken in half in grief. He couldn`t even stand up. He had just let the mother have a chance at trying to be a mother to her little girl. He traveled for work. He had been out of town. The mom had her for five weeks. And in those five weeks, according to police, she sold her little girl into prostitution, her 5-year-old little girl who is now dead.

Right now, police are hinting there are more charges to come. Does that mean felony murder charges or does that mean more people? Are there more men involved in the torture and murder of this little child? Let`s see what we can learn.

You`ve heard this much of it, but now listen to the whole 911 tape where this mother, according to police, has just sold her child, handed over her little child dressed in underwear and a T-shirt, to a man to sell her into sex. Here she is.

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: 911. What`s your emergency?

DAVIS: Yes, ma`am. My name is Antoinette Davis at (DELETED) Sleepy Hollow.

911 OPERATOR: OK, ma`am. How can I help you?

DAVIS: I woke up this morning and my daughter was not in the house! I don`t know if she walked out or -- I don`t know what`s going on, but she`s not here.

911 OPERATOR: Hold old is your daughter?

DAVIS: She`s 5.

911 OPERATOR: She`s 5?

DAVIS: Yes, ma`am.

911 OPERATOR: What time did you wake up? When did you last see her?

DAVIS: I saw her at 5:30 last night.

911 OPERATOR: At 5:30 last night, is that when you put her to bed?

DAVIS: Yes, ma`am. No, when she went back to bed.

911 OPERATOR: OK. That was 5:00 this morning. Is that what you`re telling me?

DAVIS: Yes, ma`am.

911 OPERATOR: OK. Were there any doors open or anything like that?

DAVIS: She knows how to unlock the front door.

911 OPERATOR: What is her name?

DAVIS: Shaniya Davis.

911 OPERATOR: Spell that name for me.

DAVIS: S-H-A-N-I-Y-A.

911 OPERATOR: And is she white, black or Hispanic?

DAVIS: She`s mixed.

911 OPERATOR: OK.

DAVIS: She`s biracial.

911 OPERATOR: What was she wearing?

DAVIS: She`s wearing just a blue, big, old -- a blue shirt with designs on the front, but her hair is out.

911 OPERATOR: OK. Did she have on any pants?

DAVIS: (INAUDIBLE) take no shoes, no pants, no nothing.

911 OPERATOR: Did she have on underwear?

DAVIS: Yes, ma`am.

911 OPERATOR: OK. What -- do you know what color?

DAVIS: They`re white and they`ve got pink -- I guess -- I can`t -- I can`t really remember. They`re, like, white with pink designs on them.

911 OPERATOR: OK.

911 OPERATOR: You said none of the doors were open?

DAVIS: No, ma`am, they were locked, but she knows how to unlock the front door.

911 OPERATOR: Was it closed this morning?

DAVIS: Yes, ma`am.

911 OPERATOR: And you said it was around 5:30?

DAVIS: Yes, ma`am.

911 OPERATOR: OK. Have you checked the neighborhood?

DAVIS: I`ve checked everywhere! I haven`t checked the back end of the neighborhood yet, but I checked the front end. I`m just -- I don`t know what else to do. I`m so -- I don`t know what else to do.

911 OPERATOR: Are there any more juveniles inside the home?

DAVIS: Yes, my son, but he`s here!

911 OPERATOR: OK. And your door was not unlocked, that`s what you`re telling me?

DAVIS: No, it was not unlocked, but I`m telling you she knows how to unlock it. I`m hoping that she didn`t unlock it and walk out.

911 OPERATOR: What`s the number you`re calling from, ma`am?

DAVIS: It`s my cell phone number (DELETED)

911 OPERATOR: OK. We already got your call in. We`re going to get someone out. You said her hair was out?

DAVIS: Yes, just like a bushy afro.

911 OPERATOR: How much does she weigh, do you know?

DAVIS: Oh, no, ma`am. I don`t remember.

911 OPERATOR: OK. All right, ma`am. Just try to, you know, check your home again and check around the neighborhood. If anything changes, call us back, but we`ve already got the call in and we`re going to get someone out as soon as we can, OK?

DAVIS: All right.

911 OPERATOR: All right, ma`am. Thank you.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GRACE: OK, hold on. Before I go to the reporters, let`s unleash the lawyers. We`re taking your calls live. Susan Moss, child advocate, family law attorney, New York, Raymond Giudice, felony defense attorney, Atlanta, and Alex Sanchez, renowned in his jurisdiction, defense attorney in New York.

Alex Sanchez, first to you. I was just taking a little time check. She hadn`t even been on the line one minute before she says for the first of three times, She knows how to get out of the door. She knows how to unlock the lock. And within 26 seconds, the hysteria has disappeared. She`s calm, cool and collected. Why? Why, Alex Sanchez?

ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I do not know why, but what I do know is that the police have released very few details about what happened. So I`m not even exactly clear what facts led to her arrest, at this point. So whether or not that phone call has any validity or not at this point, you know, I`m not in a position to say.

GRACE: Any validity? OK. OK. At least you said that with a straight face. Giudice, you going to sing that -- you going to sing that same verse, same as the first...

RAYMOND GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No, what I`m going to say...

GRACE: ... or you`ve got something new for me?

GIUDICE: This phone call gives her defense team a big problem. She can`t come up with a defense was (ph), Hey, my friend said he was going to take her over to the mall to buy her some shoes.

GRACE: Wa, wa, wa, wait! Put Giudice up. You know what? You know what, Ray?

GIUDICE: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: I respect that, even though it`s complete BS, because what you`re admitting to, you and Sanchez...

GIUDICE: She can`t do that.

GRACE: ... is that they are going to tailor their defense to what they have already committed to...

GIUDICE: Got to. Got to stick with it.

GRACE: ... not a search for the truth.

GRACE: But you`re right. She screwed up immediately in the 911 because we`ve got -- you explain it from your point of view.

GIUDICE: Well, she`s boxed in. Like I said, she can`t say, Hey, my buddy came over and said he was going to take her to the mall to buy her some shoes. She`s reported the child missing. She`s got to stick with that story. From her perspective, her defense team, is this is either a kidnapping or the child wandered off, and somehow, McNeill got a hold of her.

GRACE: OK, Sue Moss. Hit me.

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: She walked out the door, but yet the door was locked from the inside? Come on! That makes no sense! This woman is going down, and thank goodness for that!

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BRADLEY LOCKHART: Lord, I know you`re gracious and I know you`re good, and you`re giving it to me for a reason, but I love you, Lord! Don`t give up on me and don`t give up on Shaniya! She`s right there with you!

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Found her? All right. I`ll call them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Call command and tell them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We got a tip. Somebody in the parking lot said that they had heard on the news or something that the guy admitted to killing the young child and dumping her where there was deer carcasses and trash. And we remember driving through here earlier and smelling something pretty nasty, so we came back to check it. And sure enough, there were deer carcasses and trash. And then some of the officers from the Virgin Islands went through here and actually saw her in there, and the dogs were showing a lot of interest. So we checked it out and confirmed.

BRADLEY LOCKHART: I stand before all of you, I stand before this country with a very humble heart. I want to extend my deepest appreciation to all those who have prayed for Shaniya, that`s cared for Shaniya, that have expressed their concern, and they shared this pain that myself and my family has had to endure. My heart bleeds and hopes and prays that this community, this country can unite as one to possibly prevent something like this from happening again to another special angel.

LOCKHART-DAVIS: I held (ph) Shaniya so deeply and she filled my heart and my soul. And to think that this has happened -- to every pedophile, every person who thinks of kidnapping a child, please beware, I`ll be watching. And Shaniya and I will not go quietly into the night.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Straight out to Gurnal Scott with WPTF radio. Gurnal, thank you for being with us. Gurnal, please give me the latest. I want to hear the details of the crime scene because, Gurnal, I`ve got a theory. I think where that child`s body, her initial burial ground, where her body was left suggests very strongly that this is a local person that knew where to put a body.

GURNAL SCOTT, WPTF RADIO: That`s what you would think when you see where deer carcasses and trash, someplace where they knew that it would be hard for a body to be found. If you look at it that way, yes, you`re right. It seems like somebody knew the area, knew the place to put a body, and it would make it tough for any searchers, police, dogs, to perhaps masked any scent that I body would come off -- would come off a body with the deer carcasses. They would know that that could throw people off.

GRACE: You know, Gurnal Scott, just to hear you describe it is making me literally nauseous, to think that beautiful child, that gorgeous little girl was left here under all that kudzu and downed branches and tree trunks beside a dead deer carcass is just absolutely horrific. And that mother is the one that sold her into prostitution, according to police?

Gurnal Scott, the reason I`m so interested in the crime scene is this. We have Mario Andrette McNeill, age 29 -- let`s show the video, Liz. You`re seeing some exclusive crime scene video taken in the last hours, the scene still being processed. We`ve got McNeill taking her into a hotel room. All right, we know for a fact he`s in the hotel room. I think we`re going to show you that video, Liz. We know he`s in the hotel room for about one hour with the girl. There we go. He leaves with the girl. She`s still alive, apparently, as they leave.

Now, it doesn`t make sense to me that he sells her into prostitution to, say, somebody out of town, and then she turns up dead in a local ravine. That doesn`t make sense. If he`s really sold her to somebody, why don`t they take her away, take her to Mexico, take her to New York? Let her blend in with the crowd. That says to me this murder is close to home, Gurnal Scott. What do you think?

SCOTT: There is a -- that is a very compelling case. And as you mentioned earlier, we still don`t know who else may be involved in this. There was a news conference scheduled for today. The police department in Fayetteville said new information, pushed that news conference to tomorrow. Are there other people that are going to be charged in this case? Will the murder charges come? We don`t know just yet.

GRACE: You know another thing I noticed -- let`s unleash the lawyers. We`ll be back with Gurnal Scott, Marlaina Schiavo and Billy Liggett (ph) from "The Sanford Herald" in just a moment. We`re talking your calls live.

Back to you, Ray Giudice. I was analyzing that mother`s 911 call. She didn`t know what her child had on exactly? I can tell you right now, eyes closed, what Lucy and John David have on because I dressed them...

GIUDICE: Nancy...

GRACE: ... an aquamarine pajama outfit with pink cupcakes and a navy blue choo-choo train pajama set for John David. But she didn`t know, Ray. Why?

GIUDICE: Nancy, parents know everything. As a recent stepfather, and you`re a recent mother, we both know we know everything about our children. It`s imprinted in our mind. And that`s a real problem for her.

GRACE: Which leads me, Sue Moss, to the startling discovery tonight that the child may have been found only in the T-shirt, no pants, Sue Moss. She didn`t have her little pants on.

MOSS: You know what that means. Pimp out your kid for the highest bid, she`ll look at death for what she did, and I say good rid.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: What is her name?

DAVIS: Shaniya Davis.

911 OPERATOR: Spell that name for me.

DAVIS: S-H-A-N-I-Y-A.

911 OPERATOR: And is she white, black or Hispanic?

DAVIS: She`s mixed.

911 OPERATOR: OK.

DAVIS: She`s biracial.

911 OPERATOR: What was she wearing?

DAVIS: She`s wearing just a blue, big, old -- a blue shirt with designs on the front, but her hair is out.

911 OPERATOR: OK. Did she have on any pants?

DAVIS: (INAUDIBLE) take no shoes, no pants, no nothing.

911 OPERATOR: Did she have on underwear?

DAVIS: Yes, ma`am.

911 OPERATOR: OK. What -- do you know what color?

DAVIS: They`re white and they`ve got pink -- I guess -- I can`t -- I can`t really remember. They`re, like, white with pink designs on them.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls live. I want to go straight out to Yvette in Tennessee. Hi, Yvette.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. I would like to ask a question about the surveillance when they was getting into the elevator. It looked like Shaniya was holding a blanket. Is that the blanket that they found in the trash can?

GRACE: Good question. What do we know about that, Marlaina Schiavo? I don`t think it`s the same one.

MARLAINA SCHIAVO, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: You`re right, Nancy. It`s not the same blanket because that blanket was taken into evidence. And we also know that that blanket was covered in feces and was not a clean blanket, like the one shown in the surveillance.

GRACE: Marlaina, what more can you tell me tonight? What else have we learned?

SCHIAVO: We`ve learned quite a few things, Nancy. One thing we that learned from McNeill`s lawyer was that there might be more charges coming his way. He didn`t want to say specifically if it was going to be human trafficking charges and murder charges because no one has told him that, but that`s the assumption he`s making.

We also spoke to Clarence Coe, who was Antoinette Davis`s boyfriend, the man she implicated in this case in the beginning and who was originally arrested and then released. And he had a lot to say. He stands behind Antoinette. He claims that she was a good mother who was a hard-working person, and he seems to be very shocked by all of this.

GRACE: Now, what can you tell me about Coe visiting her behind bars? Now, this is the guy that she first pointed to as the kidnapper. He got arrested!

SCHIAVO: He did. And he was charged. It wasn`t until McNeill came forward that they actually dropped these charges. He would still be behind bars at this point. But anyway, he said to me that he was going to visit her today behind bars. He supports her. He`s very confused by all of this.

She`s also pregnant with his child. That is also a concern of his. So I`m still waiting to hear from him, and we`re going to find out what she has to say right now tonight behind bars.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s always happy and giggling. You would -- nobody -- you would never think anybody would do that to her. She`s just the sweetest little girl.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

BRADLEY LOCKHART, SHANIYA DAVIS` FATHER: Don`t give up on me, and don`t give up on Shaniya. She`s right there with you.

NANCY GRACE, HOST: There`s no easy way to report this. Little Shaniya is dead.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Her body was found yesterday off a dirt road in Sanford, North Carolina. Witnesses say her body was on the ground, it was clothed only in a t-shirt.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Police had been searching that area. They were combing the road, they were combing the woods. And they tell us they found a body about 100 feet off the road into the woods.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: This body was found about seven miles away from the surveillance that we had last seen of Shaniya in the arms of a man by the name of Mario McNeill.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Police have charged Shaniya`s 25-year-old mother, whom you see here, with human trafficking and felony child abuse.

CHEYENNE LOCKHART, SHANIYA DAVIS` HALF-SISTER: Her mother, I would never think that she would do something like that.

GRACE: Why do you say that, Cheyenne?

C. LOCKHART: She just seemed like the sweetest woman.

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: This woman pimped her child. That`s what she did. She sold her child into prostitution. There is no punishment great enough to meet the crimes that she has committed.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: 911. What`s your emergency?

ANTOINETTE DAVIS, SHANIYA DAVIS` MOTHER: Yes, ma`am. My name is Antoinette Davis at Sleepy Hollow.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: OK, ma`am. How can I help you?

DAVIS: I woke up this morning and my daughter was not in the house. I don`t know if she walked out, I don`t know what`s going on, but she`s not here.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: How old is your daughter?

DAVIS: She`s 5.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: Five?

DAVIS: Yes, ma`am.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: OK. What time did you wake up? When did you last see her?

DAVIS: I saw her at, uh, at 5:30 last night.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: 5:30 last night? Is that when you put her to bed?

DAVIS: Yes, ma`am. No, when she went back to bed.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: OK. That was 5 this morning, is that what you`re telling me?

DAVIS: Yes, ma`am.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: OK. Were there any doors open or anything like that?

DAVIS: She knows how to unlock the front door.

B. LOCKHART: I come to you with open arms, and it`s hard. It`s hard!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hard, man. It`s hard.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

B. LOCKHART: You want me to believe, but you give me no faith to believe!

(CROSSTALK)

B. LOCKHART: I just know that you`re walking with me and you`ve got my daughter looking down. And I love you, Jesus.

CROWD: Hallelujah!

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank God.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

B. LOCKHART: Just give me the strength.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: We are taking your calls. Straight out to Teresa in New York. Hi, Teresa.

TERESA, CALLER FROM NEW YORK: Hi. How are you, Nancy?

GRACE: I`m good, dear.

TERESA: Good. You kind of answered it. I was just wondering, the creep in the video, do they feel he was bringing the poor baby to somebody else? You said they had video of him leaving also. Why wouldn`t they show that?

GRACE: To Billy Liggett with the "Sanford Herald," joining us there in Sanford, North Carolina.

Mr. Liggett, thank you for being with us. What is the theory right now? I mean, he`s only in the room with the child for an hour. That`s time do plenty with a 5-year-old defenseless little girl. But where was he taking her? He`s clammed up behind bars.

Did he hand her off to somebody else, or is the most obvious and simplest solution, the answer, that he in fact is responsible for the murder? What is the thinking, Billy Liggett?

BILLY LIGGETT, EDITOR, THE SANFORD HERALD (via phone): He is really the only suspect other than the mother right now. The only video footage that`s been released to the media shows him carrying the child, and it`s really only two still photos. They haven`t showed actual video to anybody yet. So they`re not saying if there`s anybody else of interest.

Mr. Scott said earlier that the wooded area where -- in Lake County where the body was dumped would probably confirm that he knew the area well. And I kind of disagree with that because the wooded area is actually right off the main highway. And it`s less than a mile off the main highway.

And it disappeared -- it`s in between Sanford and Fayetteville. And it would appear to me that in between the two cities that he saw this little wooded highway, you know, whoever it is that dumped the body turned right, went down there, dumped the body less than 100 feet from the highway, got right back on the main highway, and probably they`re headed to Fayetteville or Sanford.

We don`t have any idea why he`s familiar with Sanford. They`re not releasing that information. The only thing -- the only thing we have on him is that he was at the hotel and that he is currently in custody.

We don`t have any other information as to whether he was handing it off to somebody, handing her off to somebody or anything like that.

GRACE: OK. Got it. To Dr. Keri Peterson, joining us from Lenox Hill Hospital.

Dr. Peterson, thank you for being with us.

DR. KERI PETERSON, M.D., INTERNAL MEDICINE, LENOX HILL HOSPITAL: Hi, Nancy.

GRACE: I think it`s going to be extremely important, critical, the time of death. How many days that child had been there. If she had only been lying there for a couple of hours, that means it`s very likely he could have passed her off to some other man. If she had been there for a period of days, up to nearly a week, that points back to him more closely.

PETERSON: You are absolutely right. And I think that autopsy will help determine within about a 24 to 48-hour period the time of death. What they`ll look at is just the stage of decomposition of the body. And based on the appearance of the external body and the internal cavity they can get a pretty good timeline within a day or so.

GRACE: Really? So even though the body may have been there for a week, they may be able to pin it down to a day?

PETERSON: To within -- I would say 24 to 48 hours. Probably more.

GRACE: And especially if there are colonies of, for instance, coffin flies, maggots there.

PETERSON: Exactly.

GRACE: . you can determine how long, what advanced state the larvae is at, and you can determine then how long the body`s been there.

PETERSON: Exactly. When the body decomposes, it goes through characteristic physical changes. And also the insect infestation progresses.

GRACE: It`s kind of hard, Dr. Peterson, to take a look at this little girl with that big smile and know that she is now dead. And that video of her at that hotel is just -- wrenches my stomach because that could be her killer carrying her out with one of her favorite blankets. Handed over by her mommy.

In addition to Dr. Keri Peterson out of New York, joining us is Dr. Lillian Glass, psychologist, body language expert, author of "I Know What You`re Thinking" out of L.A.

Dr. Glass, trust me. She`s not lying distraught in the jail tonight. She`s not lying on a cot crying her eyes out. I guarantee tonight she got served beef stew with rice, cooked cabbage, fruit cob -- well, she had dessert. And fruit punch.

You know darn well mommy didn`t give back the food tray. She`s fine. She`s fine. Did you hear her on that 911 call? She`s not worried. She`s not upset.

LILLIAN GLASS, PSYCHOLOGIST, AUTHOR OF "I KNOW WHAT YOU`RE THINKING": Nancy, it`s disgusting. And I think you brought it up really well earlier in the show when you said there was a change in her tone, a change in her voice.

GRACE: Yes. Less than 30 seconds.

GLASS: All of a sudden she starts talking -- right.

GRACE: Less than 30 seconds. I timed it.

GLASS: Exactly. And that was a very good thing you brought up because it shows that this is phony, that she knows what`s going on, and it`s not sincere. And then she mentioned so many times that the daughter can open the door, she can open the door. She`s setting it up.

And Nancy, when I look at the surveillance tapes, it`s very scary, and it`s also gut-wrenching because when you look at the position of Shaniya`s legs, it`s a defensive reaction, and it`s very disturbing.

GRACE: Poor little thing. Look at her. She didn`t have on any socks. All she had on was her little underwear and a shirt. In the hands of that guy.

GLASS: It`s just horrible. Awful.

GRACE: To Paul Penzone, director of Prevention Programs, childhelp.org, former sergeant with Phoenix Police.

Penzone, weigh in.

PAUL PENZONE, DIR. OF PREVENTION PROGRAMS, CHILDHELP.ORG, FMR. SERGEANT, PHOENIX POLICE: I`ve got to tell you, Nancy, my background is -- actually I spent six years working undercover. And I`ve been in the home of drug users, drug addicts. They serve another master. They have no right to be parents because that child in any home of that environment is not being raised properly.

So what happens here is she had other priorities. That child was not one of them. And there is no punishment that is severe enough for what she deserves. You`re a drug addict, you have a child you don`t want to care for it, there are plenty of loving families who would give that child the family that they deserve.

Drop them off at Child Help`s door because we`ll take care of them. But this is a disgusting case and no punishment is enough for her or for the man who was involved. There`s going to be another crime scene somewhere. So let`s keep our eyes open for that because I doubt she was murdered at the location she was dumped, and that`s going to tell the story.

GRACE: And Marlaina Schiavo, haven`t you heard from sources that they didn`t just use drugs, they sold drugs out of that home?

MARLAINA SCHIAVO, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Unfortunately, yes, Nancy. And we know there was a drug raid over the summer. And I was told that family members were in and out of the house where Shaniya lived -- where Shaniya`s mother lived, and there were family members selling drugs outside.

GRACE: You know, jail is too good for this woman and her cohort.

Everyone, we are taking your calls live. But as we go to break, on a happy note, believe you me, I`m going to be hugging them in their sleep when I get home. The NG family album. Here are some photos of the twins. Some of my favorites.

This is right after we brought them home from intensive care and they had that little play toy. Here they are in their double stroller. They couldn`t hold their heads up. I had to put a towel or a blankie around their heads to keep their heads up.

Here are family photos from our friends of the show. Connecticut friends Vicki, 2-year-old daughter Ava, dressed as a tiger for Halloween. Kentucky friends of the show, Linda, Brian, Kayla, Michael, furry friends Jazzy and Rooster. They never, ever miss a show.

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B. LOCKHART: We love you so much. I can`t bless you for this day, but I bless you for my daughter.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, Lord.

CAREY LOCKHART-DAVIS, SHANIYA DAVIS` AUNT: The last time I saw Shaniya was four weeks ago on a Friday. I went to visit her mother. I packed her with two days` worth of clothes. I got her out of the car, and I kissed her good-bye, and I told her to be a good girl. She turned back to me and said, "I love you, Aunt Carey, and see you later." I have to go. I`m sorry. No more comments.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: You said none of the doors were open?

DAVIS: No, ma`am. They were locked, but she knows hot unlock the front door.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: Was it closed this morning?

DAVIS: Yes, ma`am.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: And you said it was around 5:30?

DAVIS: Yes, ma`am.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: OK. Have you checked the neighborhood?

DAVIS: I checked everywhere. I haven`t checked the back end of the neighborhood yet but I checked the front end. I`m just -- I don`t know what else to do. I`m so -- I don`t know what else to do.

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: Are there any more juveniles inside the home?

DAVIS: Yes, my son, but he`s here!

UNIDENTIFIED 911 OPERATOR: OK. And your door was not unlocked, that`s what you`re telling?

DAVIS: No, it was not unlocked but I`m telling you she knows how to unlock it. I`m hoping that she didn`t unlock it and walk out.

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GRACE: Joining us right now, special guest, Shaniya`s brother, Byron Coleman.

Mr. Coleman, thank you for being with us.

BYRON COLEMAN, SHANIYA DAVIS` HALF-BROTHER, ON THE SCENE FROM MURDERED TOT`S DAD`S HOME: Thank you.

GRACE: Mr. Coleman, when did you learn that Shaniya`s body had been found?

COLEMAN: I heard Thursday -- or yesterday, actually. I`m sorry. I had got a couple phone calls from a couple of friends in Greensboro and Raleigh, and people that have been following the story, supporting me and my family since day one.

And they actually have been asking me if I was all right. And I didn`t hear the news at all because I live in Charlotte. And right before it came on CNN my father called me and he told me right before I hear the news that they did find a body and it possibly could be Shaniya`s.

GRACE: What did you know about the mother?

COLEMAN: Me and Antoinette really didn`t have a relationship. I didn`t know much about her. The only thing me and Antoinette ever said to each other was a hi when I was picking up Shaniya and a bye and how have you been?

GRACE: How often had you been there to pick up Shaniya?

COLEMAN: Usually -- I picked up Shaniya quite a few times. Either from my aunt`s house or from my father`s house. I would either take Shaniya to McDonald`s to get something to eat, to play around, or go to Chuck E. Cheese. Anything of that nature.

GRACE: You know, before I had children I swore I would not let them eat McDonald`s, I would only give them organic food. You know what? Forget it. If they want French fries, they`ve got it.

So you would take her to McDonald`s, Chuck E. Cheese. You spent a fair amount of time with her?

COLEMAN: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: Now, you mentioned you picked her up from her aunt`s house, the grandmother. But how much time did Antoinette spend with her?

COLEMAN: That I`m not aware of because, I mean, I don`t live here in Fayetteville.

GRACE: Right.

COLEMAN: I recently moved to Charlotte. But Shaniya was mostly -- my aunt took good care of her as well as my father. The majority of time she was with my father or with my aunt. Just with my aunt spending time and with my father, you know, raising her.

And my father recently gave her -- Antoinette a chance to -- give the mother a second chance to raise her daughter. I mean, because everybody deserves a second chance. Just like a convicted felon, I mean, he deserves a second chance because he could have changed. You never know.

GRACE: Did anybody in your side of the family know that drugs were being sold out of that home?

COLEMAN: No, not that I`m aware of.

GRACE: That was my understanding. That nobody on the dad`s side knew that that was going on in the home.

COLEMAN: No, we didn`t have no clue at all, because if we did, we would never let Shaniya go to that type of environment.

GRACE: Absolutely not. From my understanding, your father took excellent care of the little girl.

COLEMAN: She did. And I mean, you can see from when Mario was carrying her how Shaniya`s hair was. In the car when Shaniya had her hair slicked back to her birthday parties to her Halloween costume, you can -- Shaniya was well kept with my father. He took very good care of her.

GRACE: How is your father doing tonight? I mean, he is just heartbroken. From what we have seen.

COLEMAN: Yes, I can -- yes, my father, he`s taking it real hard. I mean, it`s just really hard on our family. I mean, it`s just a tough time. This is actually our second time going through another death in our family. My mom passed away when I was 10 years old so.

GRACE: I know.

COLEMAN: It`s just really hard on the family. So we`re just trying to take it in, and we thank everybody for their support and the blessings and the prayers that everybody have been going out from here to California to all the way over to Iraq.

GRACE: Well, with me, everyone, Shaniya`s brother, Byron Coleman. Believe you me, so many people are praying for you and your family and for Shaniya. When, do you know, are they going to release her body? Have they told anybody what was the cause of death, Byron?

COLEMAN: They actually -- I haven`t heard anything. I don`t think my father has, either. We`re not really sure too much yet. We`re still trying to figure it out now.

GRACE: And there is your dad right there.

COLEMAN: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: There`s your dad. Would you please.

COLEMAN: I really do want to thank everybody for their support and prayers. I mean, it really does mean a lot. You know, we just want everybody to stay strong as we`re trying to. I know it`s hard. But for the mothers out there, please don`t let this happen to your child.

GRACE: If you could pass on to your father that, you know, I thought as a crime victim myself I knew what pain was, but when I saw him when he learned about Shaniya, crying, I don`t think there`s anything worse -- that could be worse than losing your child.

Would you just pass on to him that we are praying for him so much?

COLEMAN: Yes, ma`am.

GRACE: Everybody, we are taking your calls live. I want to go out to Stacy in California. Hi, Stacy.

STACY, CALLER FROM CALIFORNIA: Hi, Nancy.

GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?

STACY: Hi, my question is what was the mother thinking of doing this to her 5-year-old child? And I believe that -- my husband and I believe that she was on crack cocaine or some sort? This is really bizarre, you know.

GRACE: Hold on, Stacy, repeat the question.

STACY: I just want to know what she was thinking, because of doing this to her 5-year-old child.

GRACE: You know what? I`m going to throw that to Byron Coleman. He is there with his father, Shaniya`s father. I know you guys have seen the mom in court. You`ve seen the video of that guy, Mario McNeill, with her. You knew Antoinette. How could she just hand the baby over, Byron?

COLEMAN: And that`s something, I mean, it`s hard to believe a mother would hand a child over to a complete -- I don`t know.

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GRACE: Everyone, with me right now is Shaniya`s brother. He is seated there along with Shaniya`s father, who had just asked me off camera to convey thanks to you and to everyone who has prayed for and cared for Shaniya.

And Mr. Lockhart, I just can`t tell you how much your suffering has touched so many of us, and we want you to know that you`re in our prayers. I know that you don`t want to talk on camera and you`re there supporting Byron and I understand that.

Byron, if -- in the last few moments we have, your father asked that I make sure Shaniya is not forgotten. Could you just tell me about her as a little girl, as we show our viewers this beautiful little angel?

COLEMAN: Shaniya, she was -- like my sister said last night, she was real giggly. Once she got to know -- she would not go to any stranger, no (INAUDIBLE) at all. She was real giggly, she was always laughing and once you get her talking she would not be quiet. She would talk you to death. She would take every female, my girlfriend to -- female friends that come over to visit, aunts, grandmas, and take them in the back and try to do makeup with them, show them all her toys.

Shaniya was just always -- she was always laughing. You could never see a frown on her face.

GRACE: We are showing the most beautiful photos of little Shaniya, and I can see how your father cared for her, pulling her hair back, matching her outfits. You know, sometimes I`m tempted to cut Lucy`s hair rather than comb through another tangle and I can just see your dad working with her and making her even more beautiful.

To Bradley Lockhart, thank you for visiting our show tonight, and to Byron Coleman, thank you.

COLEMAN: Thank you.

GRACE: Everyone, let`s stop and remember Army Sergeant Jonathan Walls, 27, West Lawn, Pennsylvania, on a second tour. From a family of Navy vets, awarded the Army Commendation Medal, National Defense Service Medal, Army Service Ribbon.

So dedicated to Army he returned to duty after damage to his hearing on a roadside bomb. Loved video games, being a family man. Leaves behind grieving parents Steven and Lisa, two brothers, widow Meghan, son Hayden, daughters Lily and Alana.

Jonathan Walls, an American hero.

Thanks to our guests but our biggest thank you to you for being with us. A special good night from Alabama friends, Lynn, Carla, Bill. Aren`t they beautiful?

Everyone, let`s keep Shaniya and her family in our prayers. I`ll see you tomorrow night 8:00 sharp Eastern and until then, good night, friend.

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