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Tiger`s Tale; Cop Killing & Clemency; Pundit Power; Couple Crash President`s Dinner; Dog the Bounty Hunter
Aired November 30, 2009 - 21:00 ET
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JOY BEHAR, HLN HOST: Tonight on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, everyone is talking about Tiger Woods` car accident except Tiger Woods. He`s refusing to talk to the press or the police. We, of course, will discuss his silence and more.
Then how did the couple who crashed the White House state dinner do it? Was the security really lax? Did they have someone on the inside? Or did they just give the doorman a really big tip?
And a man you really don`t want to play hide and seek with, "Dog" the bounty hunter and his wife Mrs. "dog" the bounty hunter will join me.
All that and more starts now.
The great Tiger Woods can drive a golf ball into a tiny hole from 30 yards away but he apparently can`t drive his car out of his house without hitting a fire hydrant and a tree.
Is there more to this story than meets the eye? Last week a tabloid alleged Woods was involve with a New York nightclub hostess, a claim the woman denies.
Joining me to discuss are Pat O`Brien, television personality and former sportscaster; Mickey Sherman, criminal defense attorney; and Bonnie Fuller, president of Hollywoodlife.com. Welcome to the show guys.
BONNIE FULLER, PRESIDENT, HOLLYWOODLIFE.COM: Thank you.
BEHAR: Bonnie, is this anybody`s business?
FULLER: Of course it`s everybody`s business.
BEHAR: Why?
FULLER: Tiger, he is one of the most important sports figures and celebrities in the world. This man is worth $1 billion and he has had the most perfect squeaky clean image until now.
BEHAR: Well, you know, golf is such a boring sport. Maybe it is time for a sex scandal with the game. It`s possible.
MICKEY SHERMAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: There`s bigger issues here. I mean, people are really -- Donald Trump is married to a model. The president of France is married to a model. Seal is married -- Howard Sterns is married to a model. These models are running amok.
This is just the beginning. We have -- the Windermere police department is on the case.
FULLER: Now, wait a second. Who is the model here?
BEHAR: Well, she`s a model. The wife is a model.
FULLER: She used to be a nanny, too.
BEHAR: The alleged girlfriend, which nobody -- I mean, how -- you know, Pat, how does -- first of all the "National Enquirer" released a story that he had this little thing on the side going. How did they get these things? And how come TMZ was on the spot so fast?
PAT O`BRIEN, TELEVISION PERSONALITY: Well, hi, Joy, nice to see you. This is a case, I think, in these times that nobody goes undefeated and that includes the very private Tiger Woods. But the "National Enquirer" story as I read it was dropped on them by a third party who we haven`t heard from since the story broke.
And I think right after the story broke, it broke in the Tiger Woods` house and that may be the crux of the problem. As far as what we know now though nothing has happened but a car accident. As far as what we hear and know and know for sure, all he did was run into a tree.
BEHAR: That`s true.
SHERMAN: Nobody got hurt except Tiger with scratches. The worst thing that happened is that she used a club to broke the window of the SUV.
BEHAR: In the back, the two rear windows.
SHERMAN: I think she is getting an endorsement deal from Calloway on the rear window...
BEHAR: Who is Calloway?
SHERMAN: That`s a golf manufacturer.
BEHAR: Oh, I don`t get that.
FULLER: But you see I think..
BEHAR: I don`t know from golf.
SHERMAN: Product placement, I thought maybe we could squeeze that in...
O`BRIEN: Let`s keep the Irish out of this.
FULLER: One of the issues is the lacerations on his face. Apparently, the questions are, there was no blood on the steering wheel so he didn`t get them from the steering wheel and reportedly, according to some reports, he had a fight with his wife before the accident.
So if she in fact had inflicted these injuries on him, there could be an issue of domestic violence.
BEHAR: On her part.
SHERMAN: So we have to protect Tiger Woods. We need the resources of the local police. Obviously there is no crime in that area because they have to protect Tiger Woods from his wife.
BEHAR: Let`s see what -- he released a statement, Tiger did. It said, "I had a single car accident earlier this week and sustained some injuries. This situation is my fault and it is obviously embarrassing to my family and me. I`m human and I`m not perfect. I will certainly make sure this doesn`t happen again. This is a private matter and I want to keep it that way."
It sounds like he`s talking about a fender bender.
SHERMAN: It was a fender bender. The thing he was trying to do is this way that encompasses domestic violence as well. This way he can say I already talked about it.
BEHAR: Go ahead, Pat.
O`BRIEN: You know what this is becoming very quickly is image depth by speculation. One of the problems with Tiger is that he`s never had to deal with this kind of speculation and rumor and gossip and all the things going on in the blogs. That statement, I think, could eventually be a problem for him because he says I`m not human. This will never happen again. What will never happen again?
BEHAR: I`m just human.
O`BRIEN: Yes. I`m just human which we all are. And having been on the other side of this, you have to get on top of this story early. You can`t just stonewall. Actually you can if you want to. I`m sure he has enough money in the bank to just drop the ball.
BEHAR: So what should he do? What should he do?
O`BRIEN: If he`s done nothing, I don`t think he has to do anything. The only people he has to apologize to right now is the guy whose tree he ruined until something else comes up.
We do know that he was bare foot in that car. And I happen to know that it is illegal to drive bare foot in his state.
BEHAR: Mickey do you think he should just...
O`BRIEN: That`s probably the only crime that`s been committed.
BEHAR: Do you think he should stonewall?
O`BRIEN: I don`t think he should stonewall.
SHERMAN: I think he would like to, Joy, but in this day and age, it`s hard to stonewall anything.
O`BRIEN: People want to know.
BEHAR: Bonnie, Bonnie, what do you think?
FULLER: I think stonewalling in the court of public opinion is absolutely the worst thing to do. All we`re seeing is this man who is supposed to be a wonderful image to us. He has now turned away the state troopers...
BEHAR: Four times. Three, four times.
FULLER: Yes, from his home.
SHERMAN: That`s good advice.
BEHAR: That`s good advice.
FULLER: It may be good legal advice but it makes it look like he has something to hide.
SHERMAN: You know what? It`s good PR advice to because no good is going to come of him talking to the police. They`re either going to twist his statement -- I`m not anti-cop. I`m anti-statement.
But in this case, he said it was my mistake. I take responsibility. What else is going to come out that`s going to be better for him?
BEHAR: It looks bad. You have to admit it. It happened at 2:00 in the morning. The TMZ and Radar are reporting that the couple was arguing before this happened.
SHERMAN: What time does Wendy`s close?
BEHAR: I don`t know. But somebody was up at 2:00 a.m. They heard a crash and they called 911.
O`BRIEN: Joy...
BEHAR: Go ahead.
O`BRIEN: What we know is that there are only two people that really know what went on here and they live in the same house under the same roof.
BEHAR: So that`s the question. If they stonewall everybody, the way I believe it was Bruce Springsteen was recently accused by some girl saying he was sleeping with her, et cetera, and they said it`s not true. Shut up. And it went away. Maybe he should just do the same thing.
FULLER: That other woman, she had a very good reason not to speak out. We have a third party involved here. And that is another woman who was named in the report in the "National Enquirer." And her life is now -- changed.
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FULLER: She`s been talking. Of course, she has denied the reports of the affair and she said...
SHERMAN: That`s not the third party she has to worry about. Gloria Allred is on it now.
BEHAR: Now I`m scared.
SHERMAN: This was a two-day story. We could be into three weeks.
FULLER: Exactly.
And three weeks is not good for Tiger Woods` image. And it`s not for his wife either or his family.
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BEHAR: If he crashed into a tree, what can you charge the guy with? Nothing really.
SHERMAN: Failure to drive in the proper lane; a $35 fine. Goodbye that`s it.
BEHAR: But he wasn`t in the lane. Why can`t the police say you must talk to us?
SHERMAN: You`re allowed not to talk to the police.
BEHAR: Really.
SHERMAN: All you do is you show your license, your registration, insurance and that`s it. You don`t need to say anything.
O`BRIEN: It`s called the Fifth Amendment.
FULLER: But even if he doesn`t talk, the police can investigate domestic violence. If they feel that his medical records don`t match up to what they feel has happened, he does not have to press charges against his wife for the D.A. to press charges of domestic violence.
BEHAR: How can the cops tell if the wounds that he has are not from the accident?
FULLER: That`s why I bet -- I shouldn`t say that.
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FULLER: Could that be a reason why he is be allowing them to see him?
BEHAR: What do you think about that, Pat?
O`BRIEN: Well you know, here`s what`s going to happen. Here`s what I think about the whole. Here`s what`s going to happen. Unless he comes out -- and he`s canceled his golf tournament, the appearance at his golf tournament this week here in California -- that`s a big golf tournament for him. That`s the one that finances his foundation.
That`s a big story that he`s not going to have that golf tournament. They say it is because his doctor said because of his facial injuries. But if he doesn`t come out and do something, and he maybe watching, if he doesn`t come out and say something about these charges, it will just go into one thing after another. The speculation is going to grow and multiply and you know, I can just see "Entertainment Tonight" saying was the tree planted wrong.
BEHAR: So what should he say? Should he come out?
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BEHAR: What is he going to say? "I was not having an affair with this (INAUDIBLE) woman. I was just really driving. And they`re going to say, it doesn`t look like that. It`s just going to keep going on, right?
FULLER: I think that he could come out and say that he was not having an affair because we`re talking all about the car accident here. But I think what people are really wondering about was, is there a possibility that he was cheating on his wife? That`s what is really salacious.
BEHAR: And did that make her angry?
SHERMAN: For him to say he`s not having an affair, denying it, Harvey Levin will flood the entire East Coast with his people and it ...
O`BRIEN: You know what?
FULLER: What has he got to fear if he hasn`t done anything?
BEHAR: Nike, by the way, has not dropped him. Gatorade, they`re both standing behind him. So it`s just do it but don`t get caught.
That`ll be the news column
SHERMAN: They didn`t find the dogs in the trunk which is amazing.
BEHAR: Thank you, everyone. Pat, I`ve got to go. I`m out of time. Thanks for doing this.
Up next, the police killings in Washington and how politics may have played a role.
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BRIAN WURTS, PRESIDENT LAKEWOOD POLICE IND. GUILD: I can`t believe he was on streets. If what is true, I think this country needs to get together and figure out why these people are out. Our elected officials need to find out why these people are out.
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BEHAR: Maurice Clemmons is the man suspected of gunning down four police officers near Tacoma, Washington. The details of the crime itself are still developing, but what we do know is that this guy has a lengthy criminal past and that former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee let him out of jail almost a decade ago.
With me now to discuss this and more are Robert Zimmerman, CNN political contributor and Democratic strategist Steve Kornacki, a political columnist yes, for the "New York Observer". Ok, hi guys.
ROBERT ZIMMERMAN, CNN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR: Hi.
BEHAR: Well, how bad is this? Besides the tragedy of the story, which we all can just accept that -- it`s a terrible thing. But how bad is this for Huckabee`s political career?
ZIMMERMAN: Oh, there is no question, this is going to be brought up. We don`t know what three years will be but it`s going to be brought up repeatedly by Republicans and by Democrats.
It was wrong when the Republicans brought up the Willy Horton ad against Michael Dukakis. Likewise, it`s also going to equally wrong if Democrats will bring this up against him.
BEHAR: So will they, will they?
ZIMMERMAN: Because -- well, absolutely and it`s wrong to do it. The bigger issue here, it`s really worth reflecting on, is the fact that this is not just about Mike Huckabee. This is about a failure in the parole system, in the criminal justice system. This tragedy that afflicted these four heroic families, these four heroic police officers...
BEHAR: Yes.
ZIMMERMAN: ... certainly, should not have ever have happened. And you wonder why in Arkansas, the parole board granted him -- granted this opportunity, granted his right to have the sentence commuted and likewise in Washington state after being arrested and found in the rape of a child, he was also out on bond.
BEHAR: He had a 95-year sentence which obviously...
ZIMMERMAN: Only served 11 years.
BEHAR: Yes.
STEVE KORNACKI, NY OBSERVER: Here`s the problem -- if you want to talk the politics of it...
BEHAR: Yes.
KORNACKI: ... here`s the problem for Mike Huckabee.
BEHAR: Right.
KORNACKI: This isn`t the first time this happened. He commuted a sentence of -- or he pushed for parole and received it for a man named Wayne Dumont (ph) who was convicted of murder in 1985. The man got out and three years later committed another murder in Missouri.
BEHAR: So this is sort of a pattern?
KORNACKI: This came up, so Huckabee can sit here and say as a he did, this is a failure of the system. And there is a lot of validity to that.
BEHAR: Right.
KORNACK: If you look at this, there is a lot of systemic failure. But people don`t want to hear about in the failure of the system. They want individuals who they can pin the blame on. And Huckabee is way politically, Huckabee is way too (INAUDIBLE) in his part.
BEHAR: Let`s hear his stand, let`s read the Huckabee statement, from his Web site, "Should he (Maurice Clemmons) be found to be responsible for this horrible tragedy, it will be the result of a series of failures in the criminal justice system in both Arkansas and Washington state." Which is what...
ZIMMERMAN: He`s absolutely correct.
BEHAR: But he`s saying, Steve is saying, that people were going blame him. They are not going to blame the system.
ZIMMERMAN: Oh, people always look for a scapegoat and very frankly, he bears responsibility as a governor. But the issue here to address, besides of course, the tragedy that confronted these four families...
BEHAR: Yes.
ZIMMERMAN: ... which is unspeakable. The other issue to address here, is do we believe in a criminal justice system that grants parole and believes in redemption? And if that`s the case, if we do believe in a parole system, then we have to examine how it`s done and whether it is feasible.
BEHAR: But he might have been a little nuts, this guy, I mean, he believed he was Jesus and that he could fly.
ZIMMERMAN: But he never should have been out.
BEHAR: Yes.
ZIMMERMAN: He said, he was let out in Arkansas and let out Washington State. So it`s bigger than just about Mike Huckabee. It`s about the system.
BEHAR: Ok, let`s change the subject to Sarah Palin.
Now Sarah Palin is on a never-ending book tour. And although -- though, she may be going rogue, reports now say that she`s definitely not going Greyhound. Ok. She`s supposedly flying, I mean, on the bus. But she`s not. She is on a plane, a private plane. What do you think about that?
ZIMMERMAN: I`m stunned.
BEHAR: You`re stunned.
ZIMMERMAN: I mean, I assume -- I assume she got her Versace suits Wal-Mart as well. I mean, let`s get real about this. There is nothing common or working class about, maybe common but there`s nothing working class about her. Of course she`s traveling by private plane. And for her circle of supporters she can`t have a big enough carbon footprint.
BEHAR: Exactly. She doesn`t believe in global warming anyway so what`s the difference, right?
ZIMMERMAN: Exactly.
KORNACKI: You know, it`s funny. There is sort of the long tradition of this in politics. You can take last year there was a great story here in New York where Mayor Bloomberg likes to tell everybody how he meets the common man on the subway everyday.
BEHAR: Oh yes.
KORNACKI: He commutes to City Hall...
BEHAR: Yes. I`ve seen him there.
KORNACKI: What he doesn`t tell you -- what he doesn`t tell you is he`s got an escort. He gets out of his apartment in the Upper East Side every day, jumps in an SUV, has an escort to the 59th Street Station and gets out and takes the express. And he rides the subway for five minutes after he gets some escorts.
BEHAR: But that works for me.
ZIMMERMAN: That`s very good.
KORNACKI: Fred Thompson, the guy who ran for president a couple years ago...
BEHAR: Yes.
KORNACKI: ... his big campaign shtick when he ran for the senate was to drive around Tennessee in a beat-up pick-up truck. He go to event to event in a pickup truck. It turned out, he was actually getting escorted in a fancy foreign car and then two miles from the place he`d get out and he would hop in the pick-up truck.
BEHAR: But I don`t know that these two that you mentioned are going around and saying that they are in the real America.
KORNACK: Well, Thompson certainly was.
BEHAR: I mean, shouldn`t Palin be at a Costco with curlers in her hair? Wouldn`t that make her more, isn`t that more to the point?
ZIMMERMAN: Look, no matter what costume she wants to wear, it`s only a costume. Sarah Palin is all about selling books, all about self- promotion and ultimately trying to find a path to run for president.
And you know something? The act is going to wear pretty thin pretty fast because people are a lot smarter than she gives them credit.
BEHAR: And she`s not really as popular as Rush Limbaugh who was also in the news today. He is seen as the most influential conservative in the media right now. It`s interesting that a talk show host is the most influential conservative right now.
What is wrong with the Republican Party right now that they have to have him as the leader?
KORNACKI: Well, the Republican Party is defining itself only in opposition to Barack Obama. And that`s the perfect role for a talk show host because it`s just reflexive, instinctive opposition to anything and everything that has Obama`s fingerprints on it. And a talk show is perfectly positioned to demagogue every single issue to play-up -- why the bow to the Japanese Emperor has nothing to do...
BEHAR: Is that going to hurt Obama that bad?
ZIMMERMAN: No, absolutely not. That`s a topic that fascinates...
BEHAR: You think so too, you agree with him?
ZIMMERMAN: No I don`t I think helps, I think -- that`s a topic that fascinates political pundits and people in the media.
But then for people with real lives, they want to focus on jobs and they want to focus on health care, they want to focus on our soldiers overseas.
But the point here about Rush Limbaugh...
BEHAR: Yes.
ZIMMERMAN: ... it is just so interesting. Another guy who pretends to speak for the working people of America...
BEHAR: Right.
ZIMMERMAN: Is that, he`s a self-described entertainer. Glenn Beck who finished number two in that survey is a self-described circus clown.
BEHAR: Right.
ZIMMERMAN: And you think about where the conservative movement was when William Buckley (ph) lead the conservative movement and drove the John Burchers (ph) is out...
BEHAR: I didn`t like him either.
ZIMMERMAN: Well, actually he was the head...
BEHAR: He was at least -- he had a brain in his head.
ZIMMERMAN: He had a brain.
BEHAR: Yes.
ZIMMERMAN: And he was a creative thinker. And he had ideas and he had an agenda.
BEHAR: Yes.
KORNACKI: But if you define - a politician in a lot of ways is defined by who his or her enemies are.
BEHAR: Right.
KORNACKI: And the Obama White House has got to love it that the most easily recognizable enemies on the right.
BEHAR: Right.
KORNACKI: Are Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh and just...
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BEHAR: And now -- and now the Bush White House is under fire. This I love, because a new report shows that U.S. troops were close to catching Osama Bin Laden but they failed to get him in 2001.
Now which is the worst thing that they did in the Bush administration? Was it Katrina? Was it not finding Osama Bin Laden? Or is it giving away a huge surplus? What is the worst thing they did?
ZIMMERMAN: The worst thing was not caring about finding Osama Bin Laden. It was in March of `02, shortly after 9/11 when George Bush said in a press conference, he doesn`t focus or think much about Osama Bin Laden.
BEHAR: Exactly. We`re going to have more with my panel in a minute. Don`t go away. This is so interesting.
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BEHAR: We`re back with my panel talking about the Bush administration`s failed bid to catch Osama Bin Laden.
You know, is there going to be another revelation about the Bush -- are we going to find out that secretly he reads? What are we going to find out next?
ZIMMERMAN: That`s optimistic. I think secretly he colors. I don`t know.
BEHAR: He colors.
ZIMMERMAN: Look, they`re going to be a treasure trove. Look, when he was in office, how many of his staffers wrote tell-alls and exposes while the administration was still going on? We have yet to delve into all the secrets of this administration and how Dick Cheney really ran it.
But I think one of the great scandals is how this administration deserted the hunt for Osama Bin Laden.
BEHAR: Isn`t this another blot on the Republican Party and their image as the tough national security party?
KORNACKI: Well, you would think. What`s interesting about this is -- you say what`s the most amazing -- the most amazing thing to me is he got reelected. He got reelected, if you remember, with John Kerry going around the country, debates in his speeches and he mentioned saying that he abandoned the hunt for bin Laden.
That he had a chance to capture him. He had a chance to take him out.
BEHAR: Kerry was saying that.
KORNACKI: Kerry said it. Now, this report that we`re talking about this week, five years later, who ordered the report? It was John Kerry who just this January became the chairman of the committee and he ordered the report.
So there is sort of -- from a political angle, there is sort of a revenge aspect of this. We knew -- a lot of people knew. It was commonly ascertained thing the Bush administration abandoned this hunt.
And now here`s John Kerry, the guy that tried to make this case five years ago and failed to make that case...
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ZIMMERMAN: This is about documenting it for history. That`s what it is about. There is no revenge to be gained. Bush is gone. John Kerry`s chairman of the foreign relations committee...
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KORNACKI: That`s the whole point. Bush is gone and that`s out there. We know Bush is...
BEHAR: His legacy.
KORNACKI: We know they failed completely. His legacy is going to be...
BEHAR: What legacy? He has no legacy.
KORNACKI: Sure. The legacy is still 30 percent of the people on his way out of the door seemed to think he was doing a good job and I wonder if you couldn`t convince them over eight years, what is going to convince them?
BEHAR: I think you can convince 30 percent of the people of anything in this country if you really put your mind to it.
KORNACKI: Why are they going to change -- I`m saying the evidence to me is clear as it is clear to you.
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ZIMMERMAN: ... he was a failure.
BEHAR: Failure.
KORNACKI: What`s going to change their minds now?
ZIMMERMAN: You know something, it`s about moving forward. And if you don`t have history as some guide post, if you don`t know where you were, you don`t know how far you`ve gone. And I think that`s a factor here to consider too.
BEHAR: Ok. You know that Chelsea Clinton is getting engaged?
ZIMMERMAN: I do.
BEHAR: That`s really nice, isn`t it? You know it`s funny about Chelsea because they really have kept a lid on the girl when she was young. There were never scandals about her. Not like those alcoholic twins of Bush`s. You know what I mean? Chelsea was always like a good girl.
KORNACKI: They are exceptional parents, Bill and Hillary Clinton and she is an extraordinary young lady. I saw Chelsea Clinton on the campaign trail. She was not someone who was inclined to pursue politics. But she believed so deeply in what her mom was doing, she was out there and a she was phenomenal speaker and advocate.
She was really an exemplary individual.
BEHAR: Do you think she`ll run for office someday? Will she be the next president?
KORNACKI: There was some thought that she might be interested in that. It is interesting -- the fellow she`s marrying, his mother was a Congresswoman actually.
Actually his mother, interestingly, Bill Clinton`s first budget that sort of defined his presidency, his mother lost her seat in Congress because she voted -- she cast the tie breaking vote that gave Bill Clinton his first budget that really made his presidency. That`s now Bill and Hillary Clinton`s the mother-in-law.
BEHAR: Obladi-oblada, life goes on.
Thank you guys very much for this extremely lovely interview.
When we come back, the crash heard around the world.
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JOY BEHAR, HLN HOST: Good bye, Jon and Kate, hello party crashers. The couple who crashed the White House dinner are all the talk these days and now they`ll have to talk to the Homeland Security Committee to explain how they breached the security of the most powerful man on the planet. Joining me to discuss three of my favorite party animals, Jill Zarin, cast member on Bravo`s the Real House Wives of New York City, Ben Lyons, correspondent for E-entertainment, and Jeffrey Ross, author of I Only Roast The Ones I Love. Jeffrey why are you wearing a name tag?
JEFFREY ROSS, COMEDIAN AND AUTHOR: I don`t want anyone to think I snuck in here.
BEHAR: OK.
ROSS: I`m invited Joy.
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BEHAR: OK, now these guys -- , these two, this couple are now going to be testifying before Congress. When was the last time anyone told the truth to Congress? That`s my first question. What do you think about that? They`re going to Congress with this.
BEN LYONS, CORRESPONDENT FOR E-ENTERTAINMENT: Co - sorry go ahead.
JILL ZARIN, THE REAL HOUSE WIVES OF NYC: I think they`re making, in that sense, making a mountain out of a mole hill. I think first of all is it open or closed? Because if it is closed, then at least they can honest, and hopefully truthful. If it`s open then all we are giving away any - anything that they did we are only giving away to the people we don`t want to know how they did it?
BEHAR: Oh you mean how they breached the security?
ZARIN: Yes, why do we want that public? And I think that they could do this in a smaller, you know, at the police station, why do they have to go to Congress? It is a big deal but they`re making a bigger deal.
BEHAR: Shouldn`t they be busy with health care and other things? And Afghanistan?
LYON: I think there are other things for Congress to do besides interviewing these two jokers. And I think by sort of encouraging this behavior, if you will, allowing them to come into Congress it kind of validates their choice in doing so. I don`t think that`s good.
BEHAR: That`s true. Who do you think is to blame?
ROSS: Well, I feel like most members of Congress are upset they weren`t invited to the state dinner.
BEHAR: They`re jealous.
ROSS: I think eventually, they`ll be held as heroes, these crashers. They shine the light on the fact the President isn`t protected well enough. These are good people. I played polo with them all the time.
ZARIN: I almost believed you.
BEHAR: You notice that nobody ever crashed a bush dinner?
Noble admitted to it.
BEHAR: Then these guys took pictures with Joe Biden and Rahm Emanuel. And nobody ever took pictures of Dick Cheney. He`s a vampire. It wouldn`t have come out.
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BEHAR: Could someone from inside the White House have slipped them in.
ZARIN: No.
BEHAR: How did this happen?
ROSS: You show up at a party and you act as if you belong there, sometimes you can get in places. I think that`s what happened here. I think why it is striking such a chord with the American public by putting it on Facebook, they pragd about it and they proclaimed that this was something really cool that they did about it.
BEHAR: I have Arabic names, just saying. Profiling in terms of their names unless they came in on another name. That`s what I don`t know. Deepak was telling me the other day, he was at the dinner and he had to go through three checks. So if they went through three checkpoints, and their name was not on the list, how did they get through? So obviously, they are under another name. And whose name was that?
ROSS: They`ve met Obama in the past.
ZARIN: They used somebody else`s name.
LYON: And there are photographs of them with Obama from may. They`ve done this in the past.
ROSS: During the Bush Administration they crashed the state dinner with two cases of beer.
ZARIN: The question was what was their motive? Did they do this to get on a reality show?
BEHAR: OK, well first of all let`s talk about Bravo for a second. Is your show on Bravo?
ZARIN: I am. The Real House Wives of New York city.
BEHAR: Do people pull stunts like this to get on a show?
ZARIN: Not that I know of.
BEHAR: How did you get on the show?
ZARIN: They called me. It was a long time ago.
BEHAR: How did they know you?
ZARIN: They found me on a socialite type website on New York social diary. Patrick Columbia was at a social party and they were literally looking on the internet, looking for people who fit the part of the Manhattan Mom. They saw my show. I just, yeah. The whole thing of them being on a reality show. I think they`ll get ratings. That`s the sad part. Our society --
BEHAR: That`s what they`re really after? They want to be on a reality show.
ZARIN: Well allegedly. I think bravo had said in the newspaper, bravo said they were a candidate for one of their shows. So I think the fact is, people will watch it. And if they`re going to watch it and it brings ratings and money to the network, the network will put them on TV.
BEHAR: Annoying.
ROSS: These Real House Wives will stop at nothing. Remember when we were at the rock `n` roll concert? You tried to sneak me in.
BEHAR: Were you at that concert?
ROSS: She will stop at nothing.
ZARIN: I didn`t try to sneak him. In I brought a vendor outside the room to bring him in gifts for his lovely girlfriend.
BEHAR: Did you see the HBO thing?
ROSS: Did I. It was awesome.
BEHAR: They are so old now. With the senior citizen discount, how much could it cost to get in? It was really old. David Crosby, health over-the-counter I`ve fallen and I can`t get up.
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BEHAR: Didn`t he look like her? Back to the story. According to what I`ve read, they`re not really up for the money themselves don`t want the money anymore.
ZARIN: They`re lying.
BEHAR: They wanted the money because they`re broke.
ZARIN: They`re lying.
LYON: She`s lying too. She said she was a cheerleader for the Redskins and she shows one these Redskins cheer leader reunions and who is she? They`ve never cheered with us in a game. It`s like a proven track record for these people --
ROSS: Now she`s claiming she slept with Tiger Woods.
ZARIN: Blond hair. I don`t know. He like that type.
BEHAR: Now, do you get? When you`re in that position, from the horse`s mouth here, do they pay you to be a housewife?
ZARIN: They do. But I don`t do it for the money that Bravo pays me. I did it to build my brand.
BEHAR: Which is?
ZARIN: Zarin Fabrics, I have a store and I have - because I have a Jewish mother coming out on Mother`s Day.
BEHAR: Really. Good for you. They might do it in these reality shows for endorsements tion for book deals. It`s very lucrative.
ZARIN: I`m the brand spokesperson for Kodak. That`s huge.
BEHAR: Really?
ZARIN: Yes.
BEHAR: Nobody uses film anymore. What are you talking about?
ZARIN: Kodak gallery.com. You have to get your cards and your photo books and I can go into a whole thing on Kodak. You`re right. Film is in the past but there is a whole future with Kodak.
BEHAR: Oh I`m sorry.
LYON: Oh you`re right. It is a platform. We see with it the Kardashians and Snoop Dog and people that come. On they use reality television to bring attention to the rest of their business.
BEHAR: Would you like a reality show Jeff?
ROSS: I would be great on a reality show.
BEHAR: What would you do?
ROSS: Real Virgins of New Jersey.
BEHAR: Are there any? So is reality television basically responsible? Let`s go back now. Who is responsible? These two nitwits, they went in and they fooled the other nitwits in security. When you really examine it, it sounds like reality shows and the media and television are responsible for the breach in security.
ZARIN: No, I think you`re stretching it. I don`t think that the reality show is responsible for what they did. I think they presented to the reality show that they were supposedly filming with that they were invited guests. From what I read, the show tried to follow them. And I believe, I actually saw footage this morning on ABC where there was a camera crew with a full on camera crew outside the White House. I don`t know who it was.
BEHAR: It was Bravo. They were following them and then they dropped them when they went into the House.
LYON: I think you have to say the White House Security is responsible for allowing them inside the party. They made a huge mistake by coming out and saying well yes they snuck in and we shouldn`t have gotten in. But they didn`t have any weapons. They should have just said from the beginning. They didn`t have any weapons. But they still have knives they had to eat with. They could have stabbed somebody.
LYON: It is turning the presidency into a joke and I don`t appreciate that.
BEHAR: Why is it turning it into a joke?
LYON: It makes it seem like anybody can show one a picture with Obama. So much of his campaign, he was talked about being more of a celebrity than a politician. That was ridiculous. To have these people show up and take a picture, it makes a mockery of the event. We`re not even talking about what the event was or who the other people there.
ZARIN: Do you know what`s annoying? We`re not talking about health care reform and what will happen to Afghanistan. That`s annoying to me.
BEHAR: We`ll talk about that on Wednesday. He`ll give a speech tomorrow.
ZARIN: It takes the eye on America. America really was involved on the front page of every newspaper about Iraq, Afghanistan, about health care. And then this party crasher thing happened. And it is so easy for people to let go of the serious stuff.
LYON: This is a serious story.
BEHAR: This is serious.
ROSS: If the President is not properly protected in his own Home Howard County can he be protect.
ZARIN: This was something that we know about because they were on a reality show and there was that whole back story. But really, there are so many other things. That`s the sad part.
ROSS: In any other country, they would be dragged back and beaten to death.
BEHAR: Not any other country. Switzerland. In case they`re looking for another job know they might be able to get a job with security. Thanks, everyone very much. We`ll be back in a butt.
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BEHAR: That was from the A & E series "Dog" the Bounty Hunter. The sixth season premiers this Wednesday. These two are relentless. Here with me now, our Duane Dog Chapman and his wife and partner Beth Chapman. Hi guys, How are you?
DUANE DOG CHAPMAN, ACTOR A&E SERIES OF DOG THE BOUNTY HUNTER: Hi.
BETH CHAPMAN, WIFE OF DUANE CHAPMAN: Hi.
BEHAR: Welcome to the show. Now you guys have been doing this for what? Four decades?
MR. CHAPMAN: Yes almost feels like it.
MRS. CHAPMAN: Barely four decades old.
BEHAR: What I didn`t hear that?
MRS. CHAPMAN: I said I`m barely four decades old.
BEHAR: I love your outfit. Did Sarah Palin kill that for you?
MRS. CHAPMAN: Maybe, I think. I got it straight from Alaska. I live in Hawaii where it is not cold.
BEHAR: I know that. So --
MRS. CHAPMAN: So I come here, I`m cold.
BEHAR: So what`s the longest you`ve ever tracked a fugitive?
MR. CHAPMAN: 161 days.
MRS. CHAPMAN: 166. Andrew Luster.
MR. CHAPMAN: 166. Sorry.
BEHAR: Just keep going at it and at it and at it until you get them.
MR. CHAPMAN: Exactly right. Yes.
BEHAR: Now you`ve seen the Roman Polanski thing in the news lately, right? He`s been on the run for 30 years. He could be let out on bail and put under house arrest as early as today. Do you think he`ll run again?
MR. CHAPMAN: His bail is $4 million?
BEHAR: I don`t know. I`m not sure.
MRS. CHAPMAN: $4.5 with an ankle bracelet.
MR. CHAPMAN: The price of the bail can usually tell if you they`re going to run or not.
BEHAR: Is 4.5 million - that`s right.
MR. CHAPMAN: How much time will he get in the United States?
BEHAR: I don`t know. A lot. If he`s convicted.
MR. CHAPMAN: Then he probably will run again, I would think.
BEHAR: I understand that he has a, what do you call it? A brace on his leg?
MRS. CHAPMAN: The ankle bracelet. The electronic monitoring.
BEHAR: I had one in junior high school. It`s not an ankle bracelet. It said I love you Joy.
MRS. CHAPMAN: Andrew Luster had an ankle bracelet. It didn`t work well on him either.
BEHAR: I understand that this one doesn`t have a GPS system on it. He can leave. They`ll know he left but they won`t be able to track hill.
MR. CHAPMAN: Exactly right.
BEHAR: So what do you do about somebody hike that? How do you track them?
MRS. CHAPMAN: You don`t let them out of your sight. You have to stay with them. I mean, you know, he is such a high profile person right now that you know, when they granted bail, they felt he couldn`t really flee anywhere because everyone knew what he looked like. You know Mr. Polanski at this point has been splattered all over international news. I don`t know that he could flee anywhere.
BEHAR: Probably not but he has a lot of friends in the world.
MRS. CHAPMAN: Yes, he does.
BEHAR: How many people have you captured in your career? Careers?
MR. CHAPMAN: We have captured over 6,000 in the 30-year career.
BEHAR: Wow! Who has been the most dangerous fugitive to catch?
MR. CHAPMAN: Dangerous? Well, right now, your methamphetamine users that are usually the chemist that cooks, those are the most dangerous right now.
BEHAR: The chemist that cooks.
MRS. CHAPMAN: The chemists that cooks, the people who make the methamphetamine. The speed, the ice that people are consuming on a day-to- day basis which makes them very insane.
MR. CHAPMAN: There is one guy usually in the group that is called the cook. And he has basically a kitchen. And he makes the ingredients, the recipe, and he make the methamphetamine. He is the most dangerous one as far as, you know, going after --
MRS. CHAPMAN: They call it a bathtub.
BEHAR: Why do you say he is the most dangerous? I`ll not clear.
MR. CHAPMAN: Well he is usually the one that will take the most risks. He is usually the most, the highest. He make the most money on the drug. So he is, you know, he is like the kingpin, the top of the mountain.
BEHAR: I see. Is it harder to catch, let`s say, a smart cagey guy rather than a violent dangerous guy? Which one is harder to catch?
MR. CHAPMAN: The violent dangerous guy is a lot harder to catch. The white collar criminal doesn`t have a chance. I mean, usually they fake a suicide right off the bat. And you know they need they need pillows to sleep on and so on and so forth. Where a killer, say a sniper killer, something like that, is just on the run. Is a night mover. A night stalker.
MRS. CHAPMAN: Definitely moving. People that are constantly moving are the harder ones to catch. People try to bunker down are the harder ones to catch.
BEHAR: Now Dog, you did some jail time in your time. They say it takes a thief to catch a thief. Does it make you a better hunter because of the jail time you`ve done? Do you know your prey? Your quarry?
MR. CHAPMAN: Well, you know, years ago, I think, everyone said that to make it sound like that`s why I could. I think my heritage and my relentlessness does more than because my crimes were 30 years ago. And you know, thieves of changed. We ran into a store and ran and grabbed out. Today it is completely different stuff. So, I think the relentless, we stay right on the person. And you get used to doing what you do and you get better at it. And I think that you know, I also have a deep religious belief that you are predestined to do certain things. And I think that I was predestined to be a bounty hunter and I`ve kind of proven that to myself. So those qualities, I think, help in the hunt.
MRS. CHAPMAN: I personally think that his, I personally think that the amount of experience that both of us shared on the other side of the tracks absolutely contributes to what we do every day. Because we are not fooled by the everyday, oh, I missed my court work -- court date. Oh, my dog ate my homework. We`re not bamboozled by any of that so we`re relentless in that fact. So I think from my opinion, it helps enormously.
BEHAR: Do you think, Beth, that you were predestined to be a bounty hunter, too?
MRS. CHAPMAN: No. I was drug along on this ride. Forcibly.
MR. CHAPMAN: Whatever!
MRS. CHAPMAN: Forcibly. I still have my -- of course.
BEHAR: The sixth season is coming up of "Dog" the bounty hunter. What can we expect in the new show?
MR. CHAPMAN: Have you seen the fist season, Joy?
BEHAR: I`m sorry but I have not. I`ve seen one through four.
MR. CHAPMAN: Listen, let me tell you this ok?
MRS. CHAPMAN: Sure.
MR. CHAPMAN: Listen, I promise if you watch the show, if you watch the show coming up, you would like it. We go after very violent people without guns. We use nonlethal weapons. After we capture they will, we get them in the car, we say straighten up or you`re going to meet us again. We do that four or five times a week every week, 52 weeks a year. We take out the nation`s most violent. If they need a chance, they get a chance. If they don`t get a chance, they`re in jail for a long time.
MRS. CHAPMAN: Shale therapy goes a long way.
MR. CHAPMAN: We`re slowly cleaning know, the urban terrorism as we go through life.
BEHAR: You know --
MR. CHAPMAN: Good show.
BEHAR: The government is having a lot of trouble finding Bin Laden. What about you guys? Why don`t you look for him?
MR. CHAPMAN: You know, we -- I don`t want to get in that subject.
MRS. CHAPMAN: We`ve been down this road before.
BEHAR: You have? Is it too far out of your domain?
MR. CHAPMAN: We don`t want to talk about that. No, but once you -- he has a lot of friends in America, obviously, right?
BEHAR: Well we hope not.
MR. CHAPMAN: Well, we better realize that he does.
MRS. CHAPMAN: He could have been caught many, many times. It`s not a matter of can you catch him, it`s a matter of when do you want to catch him?
MR. CHAPMAN: When you start talking bad about someone you better be able to do it instead of threaten it.
BEHAR: Beth, that`s very interesting what you say. You think he could have gotten caught many times. Before we go out of this segment, we`re going to come back with more, but why do you think he wasn`t caught in that case?
MRS. CHAPMAN: I think that, you know, strategically people, you know, take their time and they want to methodically capture him to make sure he`s caught. And that much planning, sometimes you miss your window.
BEHAR: I see. Stay right there. We have more coming up with Dog and Beth.
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BEHAR: I`m back with my guest Duane Dog Chapman and Beth Chapman. You guys have been together a long time but you got married in 2006. What made you pull the trigger?
MRS. CHAPMAN: Literally.
MR. CHAPMAN: Stop it. She found out there was no such thing as common law in Hawaii.
BEHAR: Oh, really?
MR. CHAPMAN: Stop it.
MR. CHAPMAN: I married my -- I married my, you know, my common law wife the Christian way is the truth. I love her and did it right. Now I`m happy about it.
BEHAR: She`s not your first, I know. You`ve had several children.
MR. CHAPMAN: No, I`m 50-some years old, sister.
MRS. CHAPMAN: Like that`s an excuse for crying out loud.
BEHAR: I don`t know any --
MRS. CHAPMAN: I`m the last, let`s say that.
BEHAR: You`re the last one. Yes, probably. At 57, where`s he going after this? You know what I`m saying?
MR. CHAPMAN: I know.
MRS. CHAPMAN: Stop.
BEHAR: Listen, dog, let me ask you about your hair for a second.
MR. CHAPMAN: No, don`t do that, Joy. I knew you were going to try that. I don`t talk about your hair and I love you.
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MR. CHAPMAN: Listen, I love you sister on the "View." please don`t do this to me.
BEHAR: No, no, doesn`t the hair and the look take away from the surprise element?
MRS. CHAPMAN: You know what? It actually adds to the surprise element.
MR. CHAPMAN: See, it works.
BEHAR: Okay. Okay. You know, we have a couple of twitter questions. You know, people very interested in you guys and so they sent us some questions. So let me ask you a couple. How does Beth run in those high heels she wears?
MR. CHAPMAN: She slips on tennis shoes right at the last second.
MRS. CHAPMAN: I do not.
MR. CHAPMAN: Like bat girl.
MRS. CHAPMAN: This is reality television. What you see is what you get.
MR. CHAPMAN: She doesn`t really have to run -- I`m her bulletproof vest. I do the running.
MRS. CHAPMAN: It`s years of training is the real answer.
BEHAR: Okay. What is the reason behind the strand of beads in your hair, dog?
MR. CHAPMAN: I am -- I have ChairCowwa in my blood and the tribe sent me those like a good luck piece or that spirit of god will be with me. Certain guys, you know, I don`t get scared but I get a little worried so I use that as a strength.
BEHAR: Uh-huh. This person says I would like to know how he justifies his bad language against his praying and talking about God on his show.
MR. CHAPMAN: Well, I met with Roberts` son last week and I`m working on the -- freeze in the name of Jesus don`t work all the time. So freeze da da da kind of does. And you know --
MRS. CHAPMAN: Jaw dropping, sort of mind altering, sort of stops you in your tracks all at one time.
MR. CHAPMAN: When the bible was written, the cuss words were not even there. So I think --
MRS. CHAPMAN: Cursing it to the big biblical terms is not --
MR. CHAPMAN: I should watch -- here I go. I should watch my mouth because I`ve learned to in the past. So if I offend everybody because in the, you know, when I think one of my family members may die right now and some guy`s standing there and I happen to call him a blah, blah, blah, I`m very sorry, but at least he`s going to jail and they get to go home and be safe in your house, too.
MRS. CHAPMAN: I rather he yell and call them names and all of that than be physically violent.
BEHAR: That`s a very good plan. Thank you both for being on my show. Check out the sixth season premiere of "Dog The Bounty Hunter December 2nd on A&E. Thanks to dog and Beth and all my guests for joining me tonight. Thanks for watching. Good night, everybody.
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