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Nancy Grace

Florida Police Charge Tiger Woods With Careless Driving

Aired December 01, 2009 - 20:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Windermere, Florida. Superstar golf phenomenon Tiger Woods leaving his home 2:00 AM -- repeat, 2:00 AM -- after Thanksgiving Day celebration, drives out of his multi- million-dollar compound and has a head-on collision, a major smash-up, with a tree and a fire hydrant.

His young wife, mother of his two children, reportedly hears the crash from inside the house, runs out and beats out both back windows of Woods`s Cadillac. Woods refusing to talk to police not once, not twice, but three times. And why -- why -- did a neighbor have to call 911? We have the 911 call. Woods pulling out of his own golf tournament as rumors of an alleged affair between Tiger Woods and a nightclub hostess hit the newsstand just hours before the so-called crash.

Bombshell tonight. Police charge Tiger Woods. This while the alleged mistress gives her side of the story. All that money, all those trophies. He`s the very first athlete to surpass $1 billion in earnings. What really happened to Tiger Woods?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have told many a jury nothing good happens after midnight.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My two officers arrived at the scene and noticed Tiger Woods laying on the ground in front of his vehicle with his wife over him, rendering first aid.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have a neighbor. He hit the tree. And we came out here just to see what was going on. I see him, and he`s laying down.

911 OPERATOR: You mean he was in an auto accident?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, there was an auto accident, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: After days of speculation about Tiger Woods`s car crash, the Florida Highway Patrol has concluded the investigation. The FHP announced it will issue a ticket to the golf superstar. He could face a $164 fine.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The investigation has determined that Mr. Woods is at fault in the crash. This afternoon, FHP is in the process of issuing a uniform traffic citation for careless driving to Mr. Woods.

GRACE: I, as you know, although I can`t play golf, am a huge Tiger Woods fan. So this is not about Tiger Woods. What I`m wondering is, was there a police report, such as striking a fixed object? I know if I ran into a fire hydrant and a tree, the police would be talking to me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The only thing he`s issued are statements that he`s made through his lawyer and on his Web site, and what he`s said is hat he wants to keep his privacy on that. His lawyer has said that it`s his right to not speak, and right now, that`s what he`s exercising.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There had to be something that caused him to lose control of his vehicle and to strike those objects. And why he isn`t trying to explain that, I don`t know.

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GRACE: And tonight, two California teenagers vanish after watching a San Diego Chargers football game in one of their own homes. One of the moms frantic, calls police. Only clue, a charred human foot in a back yard fire pit. Police say they also discover a machete. Tonight, what happened to two California teens, Adrian and Jose?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A shallow grave, and then just what was inside, charred and fragmented, all of it human and all of it in an unassuming back yard on Hemet`s Bluejay Way.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There are some logs back there that are charred, and obviously, some human remains that are charred. There`s some earth that`s charred. But I can`t even speculate as to when the fire occurred.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: California authorities are investigating the disappearance of two California teens. The two teens, Jose Campos and Adrian Rios, were reported missing after Rios`s mother went to the Campos home and found a bloody sneaker in the back yard that looked like her son`s shoe.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yet another piece, a strange-smelling bonfire in the back yard. Neighbors say that was the same Sunday the missing teenagers had been at the house for an NFL game. Since then, twice last week and twice this week, the digging for more remains.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cops rushed to the home and found charred remains of a right foot in the back yard, along with a machete, burned and bloody clothing, and a used .22-caliber shell casing. Police are now questioning a person of interest in the case but have not released any details. Neighbors claim the night the two teens were last seen, a powerful and unidentifiable smell was emanating from the Campos home. A bonfire was also reportedly seen burning out of control. Police continue to investigate as they await DNA testing to find out if the remains found are of Campos or Rios or both.

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Tonight, golfing phenomenon Tiger Woods charged by police.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Woods`s squeaky clean image took a hit about 2:30 AM Friday morning when his SUV hit a fire hydrant and a tree outside his Florida home. These photos from TMZ.com show the golfer`s badly mangled SUV. A neighbor called 911.

911 OPERATOR: OK. Are you able to tell if he`s breathing?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I can`t tell right now.

911 OPERATOR: OK. All right. We do have help on the way. What color is the car, too?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a black Escalade.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: FHP is not pursuing criminal charges in this matter, nor is there any testimony or other evidence to support any additional charges of any kind, other than the charge of careless driving.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "This situation is my fault," Woods says, "and it`s obviously embarrassing to my family and me. I`m human, and I`m not perfect. I will certainly make sure this doesn`t happen again." But what does that mean? Is he talking about an accident or something else?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Woods spoke of, quote, "malicious rumors" in his statement. One of those may be a report by "The National Enquirer" and others claiming that Woods was having an affair with a nightclub hostess. The woman has denied any romance with Woods. Among other questions, why was he leaving his house at 2:30 in the morning? And what exactly caused him to hit a fire hydrant and a tree?

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GRACE: Straight out to Highway Patrol headquarters there in Florida. Standing by, Drew Petrimoulx with WDBO radio. Drew, thank you for being with us. Tiger Woods is charged with what?

DREW PETRIMOULX, WDBO: He got hit today with a careless driving citation. If convicted, he could face a $164 fine and four points on his driver`s license. What happened today, the FHP said that there was no probable cause for any domestic dispute, and they also were not able to get any probable cause...

GRACE: Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Back it up. Back it up. Who said anything about domestic dispute? How did that get into it? Why did they bring that up?

PETRIMOULX: Well, there were reports that there was a domestic dispute before Tiger Woods left his house in the SUV. There were some reports that what actually happened was that she struck the SUV with a golf club. Her story was that she actually used that to get him out. So what they said today is that they didn`t hear anything on -- from any parties on any domestic dispute. We also heard from a neighbor, the neighbor who called 911. He said he also didn`t hear any fight, didn`t see a golf club, and when he arrived at the scene, she was helping Tiger and...

GRACE: OK. Drew Petrimoulx, we know there was a golf club because the wife tells police she beat out the windows to save Woods, beating out the back two windows of the car to save him. She herself tells us that.

And to you, Barry Levine, joining us. He is the executor -- executive editor of "The National Enquirer." You guys are the ones that broke the story originally about an alleged affair. Now, both Tiger Woods and the woman deny the affair. Of course, we don`t know if there was a domestic dispute in the home because there`s no witness inside the home.

BARRY LEVINE, "NATIONAL ENQUIRER": That`s correct, Nancy. I mean, at this point, you know, we are standing by our story. Obviously, an argument took place, from what we`ve been told. We specifically reported the day before the accident that Tiger was involved in a cheating scandal with a woman named Rachel Uchitel, a New York City party girl, that Rachel had gone in mid-November to Australia to hook up with Tiger.

We followed her, based on source information, from New York halfway around the world to Australia. We saw her go into Tiger`s hotel, check into the hotel, get off on the 35th floor of the hotel, where Tiger was staying. Of course, Rachel is denying this, but we feel very comfortable with our report. We have multiple sources...

GRACE: Just let me ask you this, Mr. Levine.

LEVINE: Sure.

GRACE: Now, last night, Marvette Britto (ph) with PR, the Britto Agency, said she doesn`t read "The Enquirer." But if my clients were possibly between those pages, I would be reading it. Let me ask you this question, Mr. Levine. Has anybody threatened to sue you over the story, alleging libel or slander?

LEVINE: No. We have not received any threats of a lawsuit. Tiger`s people denied the story when we went to them for comment. Rachel denied the story. And I`m told that she has an attorney, a great attorney, Gloria Allred out in Los Angeles. But we have not received any communication on the threat of a lawsuit.

GRACE: Well, that`s one of the last things I would want, is Gloria Allred chewing my behind. I can tell you that much, Mr. Levine. So no threat of a lawsuit right now. Now, Mr. Levine, let me ask you this. The alleged other woman gave her side of the story.

Hold on. Let me go to Ellie Jostad, our chief editorial producer. Ellie, what does this woman say? I know she`s denying the affair.

ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Right. Right. Rachel Uchitel gave a very long interview to "The New York Post"...

GRACE: Rambling. I think I would call it rambling. She kept saying the same thing over and over.

JOSTAD: Well, this interview apparently happened last week, before she was using the services of Gloria Allred. But she tells "The Post" that this story is ridiculous. She says not a word of it is true. She claims that the sources were just out for a payday. She says that she only met Tiger Woods twice, very short meetings. She says she never spoke to him on the phone. She says she never exchanged any text messages with him. And she says they are not having an affair.

GRACE: OK. Barry Levine, back to you -- Barry Levine, the executive editor of "The National Enquirer." Mr. Levine, what is your response to the things that the so-called other woman had to say, giving her side of the story?

LEVINE: Yes, I read her account today, and on our Web site today, we posted a point-by-point denial. I mean, she`s in a damage control mode. We believe in our sources. Our sources passed polygraph tests. And in addition to that, we saw with our own eyes Rachel Uchitel go to Australia to meet with Tiger Woods. I mean, we had a team of reporters on the story for several weeks.

As you know, Nancy, you know, we`ve dealt with these types of women before. Rielle Hunter in the John Edwards scandal, you know, for months and months and months denied any type of relationship with John Edwards. It`s not uncommon that somebody will deny involvement with a major celebrity or newsmaker.

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911 OPERATOR: 911. What`s your emergency?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have -- this is Isleworth subdivision. I need an ambulance immediately. I have someone down in front of my house. They hit a pole. I came out to see...

911 OPERATOR: Is it a car accident, sir?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE)

911 OPERATOR: OK, sir -- sir, is it a car accident? Hello? Sir?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The Florida Highway Patrol has concluded its investigation of the vehicle crash involving Mr. Tiger Woods. The investigation has determined that Mr. Woods is at fault in the crash.

911 OPERATOR: What happened? What`s wrong?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have a neighbor. He hit the tree. And we came out here just to see what was going on. I see him and he`s laying down.

911 OPERATOR: You mean he was in an auto accident?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, there was an auto accident. Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My two officers arrived at the scene and noticed Tiger Woods laying on the ground in front of his vehicle with his wife over him, rendering first aid.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "This situation is my fault," Woods says, "and it`s obviously embarrassing to my family and me. I`m human, and I`m not perfect. I will certainly make sure this doesn`t happen again."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everybody wants to know, all right, what happened? What does Tiger Woods have to tell us?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was backing out of his driveway and hit a fire hydrant and subsequently hit a tree -- and this was in his Escalade -- and as such, you know, suffered some injuries.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His wife came out of the house when she heard the accident, him hitting the fire hydrant, used a golf club, is what we were told, to break out the rear window to gain entrance to the vehicle, removed him from the vehicle and laid him down in the street.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "My wife, Elin, acted courageously when she saw I was hurt and in trouble," Woods said. "She was the first person to help me. Any other assertion is absolutely false."

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Every time you stonewall the cops three days in a row, you look like you`re hiding something, or looking like you`re guilty of something.

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GRACE: The bombshell tonight, Tiger Woods, the golf phenomenon, first athlete to make over $1 billion, has been charged by police in a one-car smash-up. The facts really don`t seem to hang together between his and his wife`s story about what happened that night. Coincidentally, the incident occurred just hours after the story hit the stands with "The National Enquirer" front cover that Tiger Woods was allegedly involved in an affair with a New York party girl.

We`re taking your calls live. By the way, Woods and the party girl, the hostess, both deny that story. To Linda, Oklahoma. Hi, Linda.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi.

GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All I want to know is, what business is it of everybody`s if they were fighting or whatever, you know, as long as they weren`t bothering anybody else? But I would have used the golf club on his head if he`d really been running around, but...

GRACE: Linda in Oklahoma, do not hang up. Linda in Oklahoma, it is nobody`s business if they were having an argument. It is somebody`s business, i.e. the police, if a person beat in Tiger Woods`s windows, all right, even if that person is angry. That`s the cops` business. It`s the cops` business when you run over a fire hydrant and when you run into a tree, especially if you`ve been on a public road. That would suggest that you need a breathalyzer or a blood alcohol test.

I don`t know if either of those were given in this case, but I can tell you this, Linda in Oklahoma. Don`t give me a golf club in my hand if I think my husband is cheating. Don`t even -- especially after having those two twins. No way!

(LAUGHTER)

GRACE: So I`m with you on that one. But what they`re arguing about, their business.

OK. I want to go back out to Ellie Jostad, our chief editorial producer. In a nutshell, the other woman says what?

JOSTAD: The other woman says that none of this story about an alleged affair is true. She vehemently denies it.

GRACE: OK. Back to you, Barry Levine, executive editor with "The National Enquirer." Give me a point by point. Pick apart her story, if you can.

LEVINE: Sure. Sure, Nancy. Well, until we informed Rachel, when we went to her for comment, that we had photos of her in the hotel where she visited Tiger, she denied even being in that hotel.

GRACE: Ruh-roh!

LEVINE: In fact, she told one of our reporters she had simply gone to Australia with her boyfriend. Then she backtracked a few days later and specifically told me on the phone that it was incorrect, that she had lied about that, that she had not gone there with her boyfriend, that she was there on business. So she was already changing her story even before publication.

In addition to that, she said that -- our sources say that they have heard Tiger Woods on the telephone in terms of speaking to her in romantic tones. Our sources polygraphed to that fact. Our sources also saw racy text messages that had been exchanged between Rachel and Tiger Woods. She denies texting Tiger Woods. However, in the previous conversation with us, she said on the record that she has exchanged texts with Tiger Woods.

You know, her story is completely -- you know, we`ve caught her up in numerous contradictions. She said in "The New York Post" today that she had offered to take a polygraph test. In fact, I can tell you that I was the one on the telephone with her who offered her a polygraph test and she refused. So she`s simply misstating the facts.

In addition to that, she`s attempted to discredit one of our sources who we named in "The National Enquirer," a friend of hers named Ashley Sampson (ph).

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) neighbor. He hit the tree. And we came out here just to see what was going on. I see him and he`s laying down.

911 OPERATOR: You mean he was in an auto accident?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, it was an auto accident, yes.

911 OPERATOR: OK. Is he outside or inside his car?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "The National Enquirer" originally reported that Rachel Uchitel was having an affair with Tiger Woods.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Uchitel gave a lengthy interview to "The New York Post" in which she flat out denies any affair with Tiger Woods. She is quoted as saying, "This is ridiculous. Not a word of it is true. I told them not only did I have information to disprove the story, but I offered to take a lie detector test. It`s just dumb stuff."

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The first statement Woods made called the accident "embarrassing" and wrote, "I`m human, and I`m not perfect. I will certainly make sure this doesn`t happen again."

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GRACE: Let`s unleash the lawyers. Joining us tonight, Susan Moss, family law attorney, child advocate, New York, Raymond Giudice, defense attorney, Atlanta, Joe Lawless, renowned defense attorney and author of "Prosecutorial Misconduct." He`s joining us out of the Philadelphia jurisdiction.

First to you, Sue Moss. Weigh in.

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: No wonder the ladies call him Tiger. You know, this story just doesn`t make sense. You don`t get up out of your bed at 2:00 AM, drive your car and run into a tree. The tree didn`t...

GRACE: And a fire hydrant.

MOSS: And a fire hydrant. I mean, hypothetically speaking, maybe he was driving so quickly because someone was running after his car with a golf club, trying to bash in his back windows.

GRACE: And let me repeat there`s no evidence of that. To Raymond Giudice, defense attorney, Atlanta, Georgia. Raymond, before you became a highly paid defense attorney, you were once a prosecutor.

(LAUGHTER)

RAYMOND GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: That`s right, a lowly paid prosecutor.

GRACE: Very lowly. Remember, I was one, too. But your expertise was DUI prosecutions.

GIUDICE: Correct.

GRACE: Now, I`m not saying Tiger was DUI.

GIUDICE: Or not.

GRACE: But what I am saying is, Ray, when somebody runs over a fire hydrant and a tree, what do police typically do? And don`t give me your defense attorney spin. Tell me the truth.

GIUDICE: OK. I`m going to tell you what they do. If they have anything else in addition to the fire hydrant-tree damage, odor of alcohol, red glassy eyes, an empty beer can...

GRACE: He was knocked out, Ray. He was unconscious.

GIUDICE: That`s what I`m saying. They had nothing else, and that`s why they did not get a subpoena for his medical records because a court would not issue that subpoena or warrant. There was no scintilla of evidence indicating there was any alcohol involved.

GRACE: Hold on. Hold on. Hold on just one moment. Last night, Ellie Jostad, the reporter from Radaronline.com referred to a statement given by the wife that she had gone into the house and gotten a couple of prescription pill bottles, that Woods was taking some kind of prescription. What do we know about that?

JOSTAD: Well, Nancy, CNN has absolutely not been able to confirm that.

GRACE: OK.

JOSTAD: And the police will not comment about that, although they do say that there is not probable cause to seize any medical records that might exist.

GRACE: Is that what you mean, Ray Giudice?

GIUDICE: Nancy...

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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

911 OPERATOR: 911. What`s your emergency?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have -- this is -- Isleworth Subdivision. I need an ambulance immediately. I have someone down in front of my house. They hit a post.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The Florida Highway Patrol is saying on the record only that he was bleeding from his mouth. Tiger Woods in his own statement said that he had cuts, bruises, and he was very sore.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. Woods has satisfied the requirements of Florida law by providing his driver`s license, registration, and proof of insurance to us. With the issuance of this citation, the Florida Highway Patrol has completed its investigation into this matter.

NANCY GRACE, HOST: Nobody knows where he was going at 2:30 a.m.?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: One of the so-called malicious rumors about the accident that Woods referred to on his Web site may be reports from various sources, including the AP, of an affair with a New York woman named Rachel Uchitel.

Uchitel gave a lengthy interview to the "New York Post" in which she flat out denies any affair with Tiger Woods.

GRACE: That alleged affair, which the lady denies and Woods denies, hits the stands that day. And in a couple of hours, smashup and wife runs out of the house or comes out in a golf cart armed with a golf club.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: We`ve got report saying that they had a heated argument over this woman and over the affair and that he told her.

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GRACE: We are taking your calls live. To Henry in Tennessee. Hi, Henry.

HENRY, CALLER FROM TENNESSEE: Thank you, Nancy, for taking my call.

GRACE: Yes, sir.

HENRY: I`ve got a comment and a question.

GRACE: OK.

HENRY: My comment is I`m glad that he`s not injured any worse than what he was.

GRACE: True.

HENRY: It looked like a pretty bad crash. Personally, his personal life is none of my business. I could care less about that. But my concern is with all the photographs I`ve seen of the vehicle, and I heard someone state yesterday that his injuries were consistent with someone whose face had hit a windshield or steering wheel, and all the photographs I`ve seen on the TV, I can`t see an air-bag that has deployed on the vehicle.

Could you have any comment on that?

GRACE: Yes. Henry in Tennessee, you`re right. I don`t want anyone digging around in my personal life. I`m sure you don`t either. That`s really not my concern tonight. My concern is why these charges, why not other charges, why wouldn`t Tiger Woods speak to police?

But as to the airbag question, Henry, I can say pretty accurately that the airbag was not employed. He was not going fast enough for the airbag to extend -- to be activated. We know that much. That`s a pretty accurate observation, Henry in Tennessee.

Now what does that mean? Let`s just go back to the lawyers. Susan Moss, Ray Giudice, Joe Lawless. And I want to comment on that report about the wife allegedly going back in and getting a couple of pill bottles. We can`t confirm that.

In fact, when it was reported by another news agency, they wouldn`t even name the name of the so-called eyewitness. So many facts are being thrown into this story. We don`t know what`s true or not. But I know this much.

Ray Giudice, if I ran down a fire hydrant and a tree, the cops would take my blood alcohol.

RAY GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I don`t think.

GRACE: They`d want to know -- you know, so a one-car smashup.

GIUDICE: You`re wrong. You`re wrong. It`s not right. If they smelled no alcohol and there was no evidence of it or any evidence of pupil dilation consistent with drug use, they would not take your blood alcohol test.

GRACE: Let me ask you this, Ray.

GIUDICE: That`s just not right, Nancy.

GRACE: What -- when he goes to the hospital, do they take his blood at the hospital?

GIUDICE: Depends if it was necessary for treatment or not. But they would not have been able to take his blood for a test for police, law enforcement purposes, without a warrant.

GRACE: I`m glad you told me that. My specialty was felonies, violent felonies, not DUI offenses, and I did not know that. And I`m glad you told me.

Weigh in, Joe Lawless.

JOE LAWLESS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY, AUTHOR OF "PROSECUTORIAL MISCONDUCT": Well, I mean, if you have a beef, Nancy, the beef should be with the Florida Highway Patrol, not Tiger Woods. He fulfilled all his legal obligations. If I were advising him at this point, I`d advise him not to talk as well.

There`s no reason he had to do anything other than give his license, registration, and insurance information. Other than that all that`s going to do is fan a story that has way too much life to it now to begin with.

GRACE: To Marvet Britto, PR, brand strategist, president of the Britto Agency, you know, I thought about what you said last night, Marvet Britto, telling me on air, to the national TV audience, that you never read the "Enquirer." I think that is just a flat out lie because in your line of business, Britto, you`ve got to read every tabloid out there to make sure your clients aren`t up in the middle of it.

MARVET BRITTO, PR/BRAND STRATEGIST, PRESIDENT, THE BRITTO AGENCY: Yes, I have to read it when I need to read it. But the "Enquirer" is not my choice.

GRACE: But you said you never read it.

BRITTO: No, no. I.

GRACE: You said, you never read it. "I don`t read the `Enquirer`."

BRITTO: I don`t make a habit of reading it. I don`t pick it up.

GRACE: Don`t make me play it back, Britto, because I will.

BRITTO: Well, I don`t make a habit of reading it. Of course as a publicist, we read what we need to read.

GRACE: So changing your story. OK, that`s not why I went to you. I went to you to ask you this. Why doesn`t Uchitel, the so-called other woman, shut up? Why does -- did you read that crazy, rambling statement? It actually made her look worse.

BRITTO: It did. But obviously, Rachel is not being advised by a PR strategist. She is speaking carelessly. She`s speaking ahead of the matter. And she`s doing more harm than good. As the gentleman said earlier from the "Enquirer," her stories are not consistent. She probably wasn`t aware that they had photos of her in Australia. So she`s changed her stories quite a few times.

In most of these cases silence is golden. You should not speak unless you have to speak. And for her I think she`s causing more harm to Tiger than good.

GRACE: To Ron Shindel, former NYPD deputy inspector, what do you think of the police investigation?

RON SHINDEL, FORMER NYPD DEPUTY INSPECTOR: Well, Nancy, they were investigating an accident. And when they investigated the accident, they came, they looked for certain clues, they looked for certain things with the vehicle, and they came to certain conclusions about the accident.

You`re right to say that there probably is another part of this entire investigation. And that the Florida Highway Patrol, or at least the local officials, should be looking at.

GRACE: Yes.

SHINDEL: And that`s whether there was an altercation and possibly a golf club used as a weapon. So there`s two parts of this investigation -- a car accident and a possible other investigation in terms of an assault.

GRACE: And I`ve been asked repeatedly, what if a crime victim of domestic abuse doesn`t want to go forward and won`t testify? You know what? The state doesn`t care. The state prosecutes crime whether the crime victim wants to go forward or not. But when nobody talks to police you can`t make a case.

To Dr. Gerald Feigin, medical examiner, Camden County, New Jersey. You know, my question is why Woods would be unconscious if it were not a serious accident, Dr. Feigin?

DR. GERALD FEIGIN, MEDICAL EXAMINER, CAMDEN COUNTY: I don`t know if there`s actually any proof that she was in fact unconscious. The fact that he was treated and released so quickly speaks that he wasn`t because you would have to do a CAT scan followed by observation for at least 12 hours. And that wasn`t the case. So I doubt he was even unconscious. That may be a false statement.

GRACE: Well, isn`t that what the witnesses said? Out to you, Drew Petrimoulx, WDBO. Didn`t the neighbors observe him lying on the ground, allegedly unconscious, with his wife administering first aid, or trying to comfort him?

DREW PETRIMOULX, REPORTER, WDBO RADIO: Yes, he clearly says on the 911 call that Tiger was unconscious. Another thing I want to make a point is when FHP showed up they said that Tiger Woods was mumbling and dazed. So it`s kind of hard to understand how they could definitely assume that he wasn`t intoxicated when he was in fact doing some things that a drunk.

GRACE: Hold on.

PETRIMOULX: . or intoxicated person would make.

GRACE: Petrimoulx, I did not know that. Thank you. Ray -- put Giudice back up. Giudice and Lawless, let`s see those two. Mumbling and dazed.

GIUDICE: And totally consistent with hitting his head on the windshield or the steering wheel.

GRACE: Put Giudice up!

GIUDICE: That`s why.

GRACE: Please.

GIUDICE: Please.

GRACE: Ray.

GIUDICE: Yes, Nancy.

GRACE: You know when there`s a crash and someone -- yes. Lawless. Thanks, guys. And someone appears dazed and is mumbling, you know if that were you, Ray, you`d get a breathalyzer.

GIUDICE: Well, now you`re asking a different question. That would be unfair to me. And I shouldn`t get that breathalyzer. The officer just brought up the detective was Tiger -- the question he brought up was, was Tiger given a little special treatment? And that`s a separate issue. But I`ll tell you what, this was not any evidence here that there`s any impaired driving.

GRACE: Sue Moss, let`s see if I can get an answer out of you. If you ran over a fire hydrant and a tree, you were mumbling and daze, do you think police would administer a breathalyzer?

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY & CHILD ADVOCATE: Absolutely. Step one. That`s the first thing they do. I wonder if they`re treating him differently because of his celebrity status. They had a press conference over a $164 ticket? Come on. This whole case is being treated differently.

GRACE: To Mary in California, hi, Mary. What`s your question?

MARY, CALLER FROM CALIFORNIA:. Hi. I think it`s a little late. The cow`s already out of the barn. Tiger has to fess up. You don`t run in your car with no shoes. I think she hit him prior and that`s how he got.

GRACE: Good question.

MARY: . cuts under his.

GRACE: Lillian Glass, weigh in.

LILLIAN GLASS, PSYCHOLOGIST, AUTHOR OF "I KNOW WHAT YOU`RE THINKING": Well, again, we don`t have the evidence here. But one of the things that`s very, very suspicious is that he wasn`t wearing shoes. He seemed -- you know, that seems to be reported.

And also the inconsistencies of this Uchitel woman. This is very, very disconcerting. When somebody talks a lot and talks and talks and talks, sometimes they`re not telling the truth.

GRACE: Good point, Lillian Glass.

Everybody, quick break. We`re taking your calls live. Here`s the NG family album. Now, first of all, here`s the twins having sweet potatoes. See, they love them so much their noses actually began to turn orange. I called the doctor.

And now photos from Arizona friends, Terry, Catherine, and Dylan. They love the NG show and they love "American Heroes."

Ohio friend Susan and son Matthew, who reminds her nightly when it`s time to watch NG. And I want to thank you for that, Matthew.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Police continue to investigate the disappearance of two California teens after charred remains of a human foot were found in the backyard of one of the teens` homes. Jose Campos and Adrian Rios, both 17, were reported missing to police November 16th and haven`t been seen since.

Authorities executed a search warrant on Campos`s home and discovered fragments of a burned right foot as well as a machete, burned and bloody clothing, and evidence something was dragged towards a fire pit in the backyard.

Neighbors say the night before the boys were reported missing a horrid smell was coming from the Campos home, where there was reportedly a bonfire lit that night. DNA results could be released at any moment as we wait to find out if the remains found are those of the missing teens.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There are some logs back there that are charred, and obviously some human remains that are charred. There`s some earth that`s charred. But I can`t even speculate as to when the fire occurred. We can`t really say right now how many, whether it`s one or two or three people. We just -- that would be pure speculation at this point.

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GRACE: Straight out to Ron Kilgore with KNX 1070 News Radio. Ron Kilgore, I`m not sure I understand what happened. I know that these two teens were watching a Chargers football game in one of their homes and then they were never seen again. One of the moms frantically called police. No sign of the teens. What more can you tell me?

RON KILGORE, REPORTER, KNX 1070 NEWS RADIO (via phone): Well, it`s -- it`s anybody`s guess what happened over three days. The 15th they were together at a football game at the home of Jose Campos along with Adrian Rios.

Next day the mother went looking, filed a police report saying that her son was missing. The mother of Adrian Rios the day after then on the 17th went to the Campos home, said she found a shoe that belonged to him that had a dry reddish liquid on it and called police.

Police went from there. Got a search warrant. That`s where they found all sorts of different paraphernalia including what they believe is a human foot, bloody shoe, machete, a bullet shell, a shell of butcher knives and they`ve taken it from there trying to find anyone who might have known what have happened over those three days.

GRACE: Everyone, the tip line 951-765-2400. Mr. Kilgore, was this the home where they were watching the Chargers game, where this foot, a human foot was found in the backyard?

KILGORE: Apparently so. The home of Jose Campos. Now police had called his parents, asked permission to search the home, went in with a search warrant. That`s when they found the drag marks in the backyard, leading to a driveway and then to a backyard fire pit. Went through the home, found other things including a partially burned t-shirt. All this different evidence, they say, that`s giving them some leads. But so far no suspects apparently in the case. At least no arrests yet.

GRACE: Well, OK, Ron Kilgore joining us, KNX 1070. Ron, why didn`t the parents -- were they living in the home at the time? Didn`t they know what was going on?

KILGORE: This is unclear, where the parents were. In fact, it was -- when police called the Campos to say we want to search your home, that`s when they said, oh, by the way, our 17-year-old son, Jose Campos is missing along with one of the family pickup trucks. That`s when they reported him missing. Now where they were at the time remains somewhat of a mystery in this whole unfolding story here.

GRACE: To Matt Zarrell, our producer on the story. What can you tell me? Had they moved out of the home? Where was the rest of the family?

MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE STAFFER, COVERING STORY: Well, they -- the Campos had moved home about two months ago and there have been.

GRACE: I`m sorry. I`m sorry. I couldn`t hear you. Repeat.

ZARRELL: Yes. Campos moved home with his parents about two months ago.

GRACE: Right.

ZARRELL: And there were reports from neighbors that have told media that the house has been vacant for a week up until the bonfire, which was on November 15th.

GRACE: OK.

ZARRELL: But no one had been in the house.

GRACE: So the family wasn`t living there, and he goes back there to watch the Chargers game. Does that sound accurate, Matt Zarrell?

ZARRELL: That`s what we think. And then neighbors are saying that there was a huge bonfire that was out of control that night and there was a horrible smell coming from the house.

GRACE: Out to the lines, Kevin, Kentucky. Hi, Kevin.

KEVIN, CALLER FROM KENTUCKY: Hello, Nancy.

GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?

KEVIN: Well, I have a comment and a question.

GRACE: OK.

KEVIN: I`d just like to say all the ladies that work with my wife wait for my instant texts. They all want to keep up with what`s going on. And I`m so glad we`re off the Tiger thing.

Were these kids involved in a big party in which the neighbors may be able to elaborate on a group of teens that might have been there? Or was this more a hidden thing that no one realized what was going on until it was over?

GRACE: Good question. Matt Zarrell, what do you think?

ZARRELL: Well, a neighbor has said that the two boys fitting these two boys` descriptions ran up to him that night and said they got pepper- sprayed in the eye during a fight. Now the neighbor did tell the AP that they did smell of alcohol. They did resemble these two boys. We don`t know for sure whether these were the two boys or who was attacking them, who fired the pepper spray.

GRACE: Joining us right now, criminal profiler, author of "Killing for Sport," Pat Brown.

Pat, this is a case that has obviously dumfounded police. We don`t know motive. We know that there`s a dead human because we`ve got a human foot found in the backyard next to a fire pit.

Also found, Pat Brown, which I haven`t discussed yet, a machete resembling this. It`s huge. Huge. A machete. A .22-caliber spent shell casing. Bicycles. A shovel. Butcher-style knives. Tennis shoes. Gas canister. Burnt pieces of clothing. Knives. A shoe. A partially burned t-shirt. Rope. A sock. And a yellow metal hoop earring.

OK. Go ahead, weigh in.

PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER, AUTHOR OF "KILLING FOR SPORT": OK. Well, this is one of these scenes where crime reconstruction is everything. They`ve got tremendous amount of evidence. So that`s going to tell them a whole lot of exactly what went on in that scene, what happened where, what happened first, what happened second.

And what`s very interesting is this sounds very much like a teen crime. Because we`re seeing a lot of weapons. We see sometimes teens get involved in this kind of thing, they love all these -- you know, the knives, the machetes and all this kind of stuff. And it all seems to be like a pad that the teens were hanging in.

Now what`s interesting also is that Campos has gone missing. His truck has gone missing. His girlfriend went missing for a while. She showed back up. So the question is was Campos responsible for this crime and that`s one reason the body was burned, because it was somebody he knew and didn`t want to be linked to, or do we have somebody else yet on the scene and Campos is also a victim?

GRACE: I want to go now to Dr. Gerald Feigin, medical examiner, Camden County.

Dr. Feigin, can you get DNA from charred remains?

FEIGIN: Sometimes if you dig deeply enough inside, you can find some unaltered tissue. And yes, you can. I`ve done it in the military and autopsied some people who`ve died overseas.

GRACE: To Debra in Tennessee, hi, Debra.

DEBRA: Hey, Nancy.

GRACE: Hi, dear. What is your question?

DEBRA: I`d like to thank you for showing the kids on the TV because I don`t have a computer. And so nice of you to do that for us.

GRACE: Thank you.

DEBRA: I wanted to know, who seen these kids beforehand. Sit possible that it was.

GRACE: That it was what?

DEBRA: That it was teens that did this?

GRACE: OK, Ron Kilgore, KNX 1070, answer?

KILGORE: Well, the girlfriend finally came forward and said she was never missing because she`d gone from her father, didn`t live with her mother, didn`t want to tell her father and so forth. She apparently knows what`s going on. Somebody had seen three kids at that house together. The police knew that. Police have questioned her and let her go, saying she`s no longer a person of interest. So apparently she knows something that happened.

GRACE: Right.

KILGORE: Maybe somebody had seen her there because they identified her.

GRACE: Let me give that tip line again.

KILGORE: . when she came forward.

GRACE: Hold on, Ron. 951-765-2400.

Everyone, as we go to this break, we`re taking your calls live, but we stop to remember California friend, John Tracy. He dies last Monday, at 90. Retired 23 years from the Navy. He served on the U.S. Nashville during World War II, the USS Fuller and in Korea. He leaves behind wife, Barbara, daughters Carol Ann and Susan, a brother, two sisters, three step- children, including our director, Brett, and two granddaughters.

John, you will be so missed and I know the angels have welcomed you in heaven.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Neighbors say the night before the boys were reported missing, a horrid smell was coming from the Campos home where there was reportedly a bonfire lit that night. DNA results could be released at any moment as we wait to find out if the remains found are those of the missing teens.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re searching everything in the house and in the backyard. The human remains were initially found in shallow grave in the backyard. So that they`re digging the backyard up right now. They`re going excavate the backyard to see if they can locate more evidence.

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GRACE: To the lawyers, Sue Moss, Ray Giudice, Joe Lawless. Weigh in, Lawless.

LAWLESS: Well, obviously, the foot in the backyard is a little more probable cause than the Florida Highway Patrol had in the Tiger Woods case. They`re digging up the backyard.

GRACE: You know, move on. We`re on another story.

LAWLESS: I think you have to see what`s there. But this is pretty strong evidence that something bad happened to somebody. And that`s the scene.

GRACE: Giudice?

GIUDICE: Yes, as Pat Brown said, something bad happened. They`ve got a person of interest or at least someone that`s got a lot of information. And they`ve got probable cause to get all kinds of warrants and take all kinds of statements.

GRACE: Sue Moss, I don`t understand why the girlfriend has just kind of walked free. She obviously -- well, she`s a witness. You know, you can`t hold her unless there`s a material witness warrant.

MOSS: Yes. But there is enough scientific evidence, there`s enough evidence out there that they`ll be able to fully reconstruct the crime.

GRACE: Lisa in Georgia, hi, what`s your question?

LISA, CALLER FROM GEORGIA: Hi. I was wondering, OK, if the neighbors smelled -- they say the bonfire -- are they the one who called in the fire? Or did someone else?

GRACE: No, no one called in the fire. Mom called police about her missing son. That`s how they ended up over there.

Very quickly, Lillian Glass, our last few seconds, what do you make of this, as Pat Brown said, looking like a teen crime?

GLASS: Yes, I think it could be a teen crime. But it also could be a ritualistic crime just because the foot is removed. And that speaks volumes.

GRACE: And Lillian -- Dr. Lillian Glass, I had not thought of the ritualism aspect. You`re absolutely correct.

Everyone, let`s stop and remember, Army Staff Sergeant Jesse Williams, 25, Santa Rosa, California, killed Iraq. On a second tour, awarded the Purple Heart on his first tour. Bronze Star after death for saving two soldiers trapped in a burning vehicle.

Leaves behind parents, Herb and Janice, stepfather, Ron, brother, sister, wife, Sonya, daughter, Amiah.

Jesse Williams, American hero.

Thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us. I`ll see tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp, Eastern, and until then, good night, friend.

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