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Did Tiger Overdose on Sleeping Pills the Night of the Car Crash?; Interview With Roseanne Barr
Aired December 08, 2009 - 21:00 ET
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JOY BEHAR, HOST: Tonight on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, Tiger Woods` holiday season is anything but jolly as his mother-in-law is taken away in an ambulance and reports surface that he may have overdosed the night of the crash.
Also, joy to the world: the right wingers firing up its annual war on Christmas campaign. Is this spoof ad of frosty the snowman talking about porn really so bad? We`ll discuss.
And domestic goddess, TV icon, radio host Roseanne Barr has done it all and tonight she`s doing my show. Thank you, Santa.
All this and more, starting now.
"As the World Turns" may have been canceled, but the Tiger Woods soap opera continues as Tiger`s mother-in-law was taken from Tiger`s home to a local hospital in Florida.
Take a look.
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DAN YATES, HEALTH CENTRAL HOSPITAL: Last evening, Barbara Holmberg, mother of Elin Woods, was admitted to Health Central Hospital with stomach pain. She`s in stable condition and is currently undergoing evaluation.
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BEHAR: Also new reports that Tiger may have OD`d on sleeping pills before paramedics found him lying on the road.
Here to sort out the sordid details are Mike Walters, assignment manager at TMZ; Marvet Britto, publicist and brand strategist; and Joey Jackson, a former prosecutor.
Mike, let me ask you to start here with a question. His mother- in-law was taken to the hospital and I heard that she was on life support.
MIKE WALTERS, ASSIGNMENT MANAGER, TMZ: Right.
BEHAR: What happened?
WALTERS: Well, basically what happened was when they entered it into the computer when something like this happens a 911 call comes and the first unit that was available was named that. It`s the unit they use for advanced life support. It was sort of not entered wrong but just entered into a category that it really wasn`t a part of.
And it also happened that it says that the first one on the computer said that she refused treatment, which is also not true. She got transported.
But we did this story this morning. I actually was up at 2:45 trying to deal with this thing. And you know, it changed, a lot of it. What was coming out was: it was Tiger`s house, it wasn`t Tiger`s house. It was.
BEHAR: So what`s the truth, what`s the story?
WALTERS: Their call came in at 2:36 a.m. And it was Tiger Woods` house. I`m listening behind me actually. The 911 call came in from Tiger`s wife about her mother. Think about her in the last couple of days she`s had. And now her mother came in from Sweden just yesterday and she was taken for stomach ailments, cramps to the hospital where they did a bunch of tests. She`s now out but they`re not exactly sure yet what was the problem, and they`re monitoring it right now.
BEHAR: Ok. Do you think maybe you guys, do you think it was stress related?
WALTERS: Well, I would think that that`s probably part of it. I don`t know if she has an ailment that is something that happened to her before or something that`s ongoing. But definitely been a stressful week for her, her daughter, the entire family.
BEHAR: Very stressful. But the life support obviously is not true.
WALTERS: No.
BEHAR: So there`s a lot of stuff that flies around that isn`t true. Like TMZ also reported that Tiger was admitted to a hospital as an OD after the car crash. Has this been confirmed?
WALTERS: Yes, that`s what we broke this morning. That`s a really interesting development and that`s because when they went on scene, Tiger`s accident, his injuries were not mostly from the accident.
When they got there, what the neighbor said he was snoring. He was outside of the car, laying on the ground, snoring. So when they came out and they said what has he been taking and his wife said here`s the two pill bottles, it`s Ambien and Vicodin, immediately they thought this is what`s going on with him. He was having trouble breathing.
We learned that actually when he went to the hospital, it was listed as OD and they had to intubate his throat which means he was really having trouble breathing.
And I think that`s part of this ongoing Tiger Woods thing that you`re going to hear more about, and that is there might be a bigger issue here -- a side issue besides possible infidelity and that is whatever Tiger was taking and how much and why and how they`re going to deal with that issue.
BEHAR: Ok. Joey let me ask you, if the cops thought he had OD`d on drugs, why didn`t they draw blood at the hospital?
JOEY JACKSON, FORMER PROSECUTOR: Well, you know, there`s a couple of issues here Joy. The first one is that you can draw blood for medical reasons. All right?
BEHAR: Right.
JACKSON: So medical doctors generally do because they want to do it for purposes of diagnosis and treatment. Beyond that, Joy what ends up happening is that you have to make application for a warrant.
In the event that you think someone is drinking, you can make application for a warrant. My information here is that apparently they wanted to do such a thing. It was denied based upon insufficient evidence. Now the question becomes can they now go get the medical records arguing that he potentially engaged in criminality by driving drunk or something.
BEHAR: Well, didn`t his wife -- did his wife say that he was drunk?
JACKSON: Well, apparently what happened is, his wife said, listen, he was drinking earlier. But that`s not enough for probable cause determination.
So what would happen, Joy, is say for example you get into an accident and a wife or anybody else says this guy was drinking earlier today. The critical time is not what I did earlier but what are you drinking now. And was there enough indicia of intoxication or anything else: glassy eyes, were they watery? Did he have an odor of alcohol on his breath?
Things like that.
WALTERS: Or snoring on the floor.
JACKSON: Or was he snoring on the floor.
BEHAR: What about that snoring?
JACKSON: But it certainly could be information that he perhaps had too much medicine or whatever else and would that lead to a potential prosecution. Medical records are privileged though, so there`s a major hurdle that they`re going to have to overcome here, namely is it compelling enough.
You can get the medical records if you could establish that there is a compelling state interest, and that in effect you think that they`re relevant or probative to some issue.
BEHAR: Mike, do you want to jump in there?
WALTERS: Yes. Well, you`re the lawyer, but as far as I know, and in all the cases I worked on in the media, I don`t think that there -- I think there is enough evidence to at least take the blood and run it to see what was in his blood.
He was snoring, his wife said he was drinking, his wife said he had taken medication. She listed them and then said she just didn`t know when he took them. I would say if it were me and this assistant state attorney that declined it, I would say why? There`s enough evidence right there. And, by the way, he pinballed out of his house and crashed into a tree, enough evidence to at least check the blood to see what`s in it. I think this is a bigger story.
JACKSON: Mike, his lawyers are going to have a lot to say about that because under Florida law, of course, if they want the medical records, what happens is there has to be a hearing. It`s not just an ex parfait (ph) application and then they`re going to argue what`s the compelling need?
No one died here. He ran into a tree, it happened in front of his own house. There was no body, there was no fatality, nobody else injured. So what`s the compelling basis? Why is it relevant?
BEHAR: Well, it`s still a DUI, isn`t it?
JACKSON: It could be Joy.
WALTERS: If it was me and it was here in Los Angeles, they wouldn`t even have thought twice. I know at least from my experience and this is outside of work in the media, if it were me and I went out on sunset and crashed into the gas station and they said well he might have taken pills and he was drinking earlier it would be like that.
BEHAR: But that`s you. That`s you, Mike. You`re not the world`s greatest golfer.
Marvet, what about all of this? Does this hurt -- how does this hurt the Tiger brand?
MARVET BRITTO, PUBLICIST: You know, so much of it, Joy, is accusations right now. You know, we`ve heard -- this story has evolved so much. The gravity from the beginning, the thrust of this story started with he and his wife were arguing and now he`s snoring at the wheel. It doesn`t make sense.
BEHAR: Well, why not? He could be on drugs and thence the ...
BRITTO: It`s possible but you know, there are reports that she is swinging a club and then he`s sleeping. It just doesn`t make sense. I think we need to wait until we hear from Tiger -- if we ever hear from Tiger -- and we hear from the wife.
Right now, everything is swirling. The wife said she said, he said, this report said. And there`s no consistency in the story. And that`s what`s damaging.
BEHAR: Is there any consistency to the bimbo eruptions?
BRITTO: Yes, definitely.
(CROSSTALK)
BRITTO: There`s consistency with that. But, again, what is interesting is that, you know, when you cheat once, you pretty much -- chances are there`s going to be more than one person. So at this point...
BEHAR: Really? You think so?
BRITTO: Absolutely. Particularly...
BEHAR: Look at Mark Sanford who found his soul mate.
BRITTO: The difference here Joy is that these women are talking which leads many to believe he wasn`t really in that intimate of relationships with them. Because there was no incubator; they weren`t really trying to protect Tiger.
BEHAR: Well, he was -- I think he was very careless. He was very careless.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: I don`t know if these girls have -- they`re that bright or whatever. Maybe he should have given them an IQ test.
TMZ has a new photo of Tiger making out with a cocktail waitress. Right, Mike.
WALTERS: Well, no, it`s not making out. But they`re totally...
BEHAR: What are they doing?
WALTERS: He`s whispering in her ear -- it could be loud in the nightclub, but it is interesting, and that is number one. And this is overall he`s married, he`s in a nightclub -- town nightclub -- a big nightclub in Las Vegas. And it shows a pattern all these women you`re talking about, they all are in the same industry. They`re either VIPs host or cocktail waitresses at major nightclubs.
JACKSON: You`re not suggesting that married people can`t go to night clubs, are you? Come on. He`s having a little fun at a night club and he`s talking to someone in their ear. What is that evidence of?
BEHAR: That`s right. That is really not fair.
(CROSSTALK)
WALTERS: Not only that -- no because there is evidence, there`s voice mails, there`s text messages, there`s e-mails which we put on our Web site where he`s setting up a girl to come see him when he`s married. I`m not saying that he was cheating in the photo. We don`t know.
BEHAR: Put it all together and it spells trouble. But that one thing alone would not.
If Billy Graham was at that bar, we wouldn`t think anything of it, right?
WALTERS: No, but there`s a pattern here Joy. You know there`s a pattern here. And that is that the same kind of women are around him and there`s three or four of them with proof.
BRITTO: Think about it. It`s interesting how people keep making an issue over waitresses. Think about the sequestered nature from which Tiger lives. Where else is he meeting women? He`s certainly isn`t meeting them at work necessarily.
WALTERS: He shouldn`t need any women. He`s married.
BRITTO: It doesn`t matter. You`re talking about the fact that they were waitresses. But Robin Williams married his nanny. You know, there`s lots of that going. People meet and date the people that they`re around.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: If you can`t be with the one you love, love the one you`re with.
JACKSON: And it`s still the main point. And Mike let me address this really quickly...
BEHAR: Really quickly.
JACKSON: ... is that, listen, he`s not a -- he`s a public figure, no question. But he`s not running for anything.
BRITTO: Right.
JACKSON: Why are we overly concerned with what he does. He`s not running for senate, for president.
WALTERS: Because he`s a role model.
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BRITTO: No, no.
JACKSON: He`s a role model, he`s a golfer.
WALTERS: And he`s a role model.
BEHAR: Right.
JACKSON: He`s a golfer. You want to look up to him, God bless him. But why are we overly concerned?
BEHAR: No but you know what? Because he`s the greatest golfer we`ve ever seen on this planet.
JACKSON: Yes.
BRITTO: Right.
BEHAR: That`s the reason.
JACKSON: And the greatest womanizer too, apparently.
BRITTO: And...
BEHAR: Well, maybe they go together.
BRITTO: You have to remember this...
BEHAR: You know, it don`t mean a thing if it doesn`t have that swing.
Thanks everyone more on Tiger Woods and other cheaters when we come back.
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BEHAR: We just heard the latest juicy details on the Tiger Woods scandal. Since this story isn`t going anywhere, let`s bring in my pop culture panel to discuss. Joining me are actress Lisa Rinna, actor and comedian Hal Sparks and comedienne Heather McDonald.
Ok and now that someone has gone to the hospital, can we no longer make fun of the story? That`s my question to the panel.
HAL SPARKS, ACTOR/COMEDIAN: Oh by no means.
BEHAR: It`s sad -- now it`s become sad, somebody was taken out of -- and it`s possible that they`re saying he was OD`d also Tiger. I mean, there`s drugs involved, possibly, DUI...
SPARKS: Right.
BEHAR: ... and a mother-in-law who had to go to the hospital.
SPARKS: I think the shock of the media attention makes sense for that. I mean, how far are we from when women used to have the vapors back in the `20s and `30s this is kind of a similar situation.
BEHAR: Hal, we`re very far away from the vapors.
SPARKS: I know.
LISA RINNA, ACTRESS: But I mean, the what, the vapors? What`s the vapors?
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SPARKS: The idea and what I mean, is she`s overwhelmed by -- I mean, because this is a horrible amount of news pointed at her daughter nonstop and...
BEHAR: Oh, yes. At first I thought maybe she threw her back out trying to push Tiger out the window. That`s my theory.
SPARKS: That`s entirely possible. Yes.
HEATHER MCDONALD, COMEDIENNE: I mean, even if it wasn`t in the news, how awful.
SPARKS: Yes.
MCDONALD: I mean, not only it was a one night stand, maybe it was one night stand, then you find out there were four, but there were two in his relationship, then there was ten. It`s like, come on. And then they`re trying to say he`s a sex addict. I don`t think he is. I think it`s -- it`s just there and he took it.
(CROSSTALK)
MCDONALD: It`s like when you try to tell your three and a half year-old like I do, if you eat all this candy in front of you, you will get a tummy ache. They do not understand that.
He`s got all of them in from of me, he doesn`t understand eventually he will get a tummy ache...
BEHAR: I see.
MCDONALD: ... or a 9 iron to the head whichever comes first.
BEHAR: Lisa, let me ask you, do you think that his image can be repaired at this point and when was the last time a celebrity fell this far this fast?
MCDONALD: O.J.
RINNA: I don`t -- I think it`s really tough and I don`t know if he can repair it because too many women have come out and it`s -- it`s just so embarrassing and it`s just so -- it`s disgraceful at this point.
And I think he needs a team -- he needs that crisis management team. He needs Howard Bragman (ph), he needs those guys that come in...
SPARKS: He needs a group of males apparently, because I don`t think any women will want to help him apparently.
BEHAR: He needs the SWAT (ph) team.
RINNA: Surely.
SPARKS: Yes.
BEHAR: Is what he needs.
RINNA: In fact he really needs a lot of help. And don`t you think he needs to come out publicly now and say something? Because the silence is what`s killing it and making it into this huge story.
SPARKS: I don`t know, but I don`t know how...
RINNA: I know.
SPARKS: ... what`s he going to do, say this is it, I swear, ten is the number? That`s all I have and then three more come out?
BEHAR: I know.
SPARKS: Because we don`t know the rest of the story anyways.
MCDONALD: I think that he is done. In some typical world, men don`t care. But he is a -- he is a role model and my son is seven and they were planning on going to that...
BEHAR: He is a role model.
MCDONALD: Yes and he was going to go to set -- the tournament in Thousand Oaks...
SPARKS: I think.
MCDONALD: ... and he said, why isn`t Tiger there? And I said, well he got in a car accident. I can`t tell him.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: But Tiger`s busy. Boy, is he busy.
MCDONALD: Who has time to keep track of all these cocktail waitresses? The only thing that could make this thing worse is if the 11th person comes out and he`s a VIP cocktail waiter.
SPARKS: Yes.
MCDONALD: That`s the only thing could make it worst if he is involved with two.
BEHAR: Ok.
MCDONALD: It`s the only thing that can make this worse.
BEHAR: Ok, Tiger Woods isn`t the only slime ball cheater out there, there`s Jon Gosselin.
Now, his girlfriend said -- had said this to RadarOnline after finding out the reality star cheated on her. Take a look.
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HAILEY GLASSMAN, JON GOSSELIN`S EX-GIRLFRIEND: He became a monster. Jon got really bad when he met the Hellers (ph). He became a compulsive liar. Just a monster after he met the Hellers. He started going downhill.
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SPARKS: Right.
BEHAR: Who the hell are the Heller?
RINNA: Who are the Hellers?
(CROSSTALK)
SPARKS: Apparently they`re the terrible influence.
BEHAR: Ok, those are Jon`s lawyer and his manager. Ok.
So why is this girl so shocked? Jon cheated on his wife, he cheats on the mistress. I mean, that`s how men are. Go ahead.
SPARKS: Well, I don`t know. I think this is a -- we have a saying in L.A., you`re only as faithful as your options. And there`s an element of celebrity -- these people -- I`m not kidding. And that`s not how I live. I`m just saying that`s -- relax.
What I`m saying is that you shove a guy like this, which actually has no personal skill, no particular reason for being famous. We call them celebrities but they`re more awarities (ph).
MCDONALD: Infamous.
BEHAR: Yes.
SPARKS: Yes, a celebrity -- well, they were celebrities before they were infamous. Now, just for having eight kids and being on television, that`s the reason?
So you get a guy in this situation, suddenly people -- he`s on Christian Audiger`s (ph) boat.
BEHAR: Who?
RINNA: The Ed Hardy (ph) guy.
SPARKS: The Hardy guy, you know what I mean? Like...
MCDONALD: And why do we care?
SPARKS: Yes.
BEHAR: That`s horrible.
MCDONALD: Why do we care?
SPARKS: And that`s the exact issue. Suddenly he`s a celebrity which I think is a wrong word, I think it should be awarities (ph).
MCDONALD: It is a wrong word. He is not a celebrity.
SPARKS: Because we`re not celebrating them, we just know they exist.
BEHAR: Yes, don`t you think we care. Because what else are we going to care about? If we think about Afghanistan, it`s depressing...
SPARKS: I`ll tell you why it was...
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: ... if we think about Iraq, it`s depressing. If we think about health care, it`s depressing.
RINNA: Right.
SPARKS: Yes.
BEHAR: Everything is so scary and horrible that this is more of a bon bon.
MCDONALD: Well, what drove me crazy about the Hailey girl is when they were happy and together for those two months or whatever. She said well, he said, he could just never relax with Kate. And she was always nagging him.
Nagging him? He has eight kids.
SPARKS: I know.
MCDONALD: Well, of course she`s going to nag him. Get off your butt and do something around the house. What? I guess he`s got nothing to nag Hailey about. She`s 22 years old and they can just sit in their Ed Hardy bikinis and chill out.
BEHAR: Lisa, you`ve been married a long time to the lovely Harry Hamlin, right? He`s a cutie.
RINNA: I have said, well, together 17 years.
BEHAR: 17 years.
RINNA: Yes.
BEHAR: Is it possible -- you obviously have managed to live a public and I`m assuming faithful life. How do you do it?
RINNA: Totally faithful and I think that you have to take care of your man. That`s a lot of -- you have to have great sex. You have to have that going on.
SPARKS: Hear, Hear.
RINNA: Ok.
SPARKS: Yes absolutely.
BEHAR: Yes.
RINNA: You have to -- you have to give it up for your man and I know the woman are going crazy, going, "Oh, my God, what are you saying?" But that`s the truth.
After 17 years, if you don`t, you`re just roommates. You have to make an effort.
MCDONALD: And when your kids are little, buy some Benadryl and get busy occasionally.
SPARKS: Oh, my god.
RINNA: I agree. You can`t afford to go away, just make sure they go to sleep.
SPARKS: Roofy your own children so you can sleep with your husband. This is what -- this is the argument now?
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Ok everyone. Stay right there. Much more when we come back.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SPARKS: Open it, open it, open it. It`s my porn collection. Just kidding, that would be weird. It`s your porn collection.
It`s my porn collection. I`m giving you my porn.
That, my friend, is the dominator 8,000. The best bull whip on the market according to my whip guy. Yes I have a whip guy.
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BEHAR: Did that CBS ad cross the line? Is it the first salvo in the annual war on Christmas? Is nothing sacred?
I`m back with my panel to find out.
Lisa is Christmas ruined for everybody because Frosty is a pervert.
RINNA: Well, clearly sex sells. And there you go. It sells again for Christmas -- I mean, no wonder Tiger is having affairs. No wonder everybody`s strange.
(CROSSTALK)
SPARKS: Great I blame Frosty. That`s the reason Tiger cheated.
BEHAR: It`s Frosty`s fault.
You know, the media and a lot of the right wing people are up in arms about this.
SPARKS: Yes, I know. Fox is all crazy about CBS doing something horrible. I know.
Here`s the issue. That part of it was lost a long time ago when Santa became the slut of all ads. That`s the most worrisome thing, I think. If you worry about this element, worry that Santa is in every ad. You can`t share in my (INAUDIBLE), I haven`t been shopping because I`ve been drunk all year, and I`ve to go -- buy everything at Best Buy last minute. And by the way, I`m (INAUDIBLE) Taco Ball.
BEHAR: So they destroyed Santa.
SPARKS: The imagery is gone. I do think it should be left for kids but Frosty is the least of our worries.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If they`re going to...
SPARKS: That was an online ad for CBS. It`s not like they aired it during the special.
MCDONALD: Yes they`re not going to see it.
BEHAR: Are people more sensitive these days? You know these stories, if I want to put up a Christmas tree, then I have to have to have a (INAUDIBLE) and I have to have something for Kwanzaa and for Ramadan. Is it better to put them all in there?
(CROSSTALK)
SPARKS: We`re all in there. Like everybody celebrates different stuff. So this is America, so that`s going to happen regardless.
MCDONALD: But hey, my child goes to Catholic school. I pay for them to go to Catholic school so they can have a tree and do that. If they went to public school I wouldn`t expect it.
BEHAR: They can get a tree without going to Catholic school.
MCDONALD: But I`m saying that they`re saying they don`t want anything in public schools. They don`t want anything. Actually, I`m sorry, you can`t have it. Our public schools are not about religion.
RINNA: I think everybody has a right to believe however they want to believe. And if they want to celebrate what they want to celebrate, if you`re Jewish, you celebrate Hanukkah, if you`re Christian, Christmas; to each his own.
BEHAR: They`re talking about public spaces.
MCDONALD: Public spaces are the same as public schools -- the same type of thing. I don`t think that you can gripe about it. I just don`t think it`s...
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: It`s either all or nothing.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Lisa, tell me about this re-gift the fruitcake, my favorite thing. I always like a fruitcake as a door stop myself, but go ahead.
RINNA: I`m teaming with Pay Pal, you go to regiftafruitcake.com, and actually you can give to a charity. There are 25 different charities. You design your own fruitcake; you send it along to other people and you raise money for a charity.
BEHAR: Very good.
Heather, you`re doing a holiday project as well?
MCDONALD: I`m doing this thing that will help you buy your gift online with Mastercard. It`s called priceless.com/giftfinder. You answer a few questions, put in your budget and they really help you come up with great gifts so you`re not showing up with a bottle of wine or candle like everybody else.
BEHAR: And Hal what are you doing before you go?
SPARKS: I just did a standup special called "Charmageddon". And if you want a suggestion for a charity, the Lily Claire foundation -- I highly...
BEHAR: Great. Thanks very much. Lisa, Heather thanks.
Hal is sticking with me to answer for his gender. You`re all dogs out there. Back in a minute.
SPARKS: You wish.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: You know, apparently there`s something going on with Tiger Woods. Strange. First I`m hearing anything about it. Do you know anything about this?
Okay, here with me now to discuss the latest in Tiger land, "Us Weekly" senior editor Bradley Jacobs. Welcome to the show.
BRADLEY JACOBS, SENIOR EDITOR AT US WEEKLY: Hi Joy, thanks for having me.
BEHAR: You`re welcome. It`s nice to be had. You have an extensive cover story on the Tiger Woods cheating scandal hitting newsstands tomorrow. What is the latest on Elin, Tiger`s wife?
JACOBS: Turns out Joy, Elin actually seemed to suspect that there was trouble a few months ago because she took a trip to Sweden, her native land, with her two kids, and actually bought a house there in her own name, not in Tiger`s name, in her own name, and she paid $850,000 more than the listed price for it. So seems like she knew that something might be wrong.
BEHAR: You know, if you`re in trouble, why go to the coldest climate in the world? Why not go to Aruba, you know, to one of the Caribbean Islands?
JACOBS: Well you remember that Elin`s Swedish and her family is there -
BEHAR: Her family, yes.
JACOBS: She has a twin sister, she has a brother. And she actually -- our reporting shows in US Weekly she`s not made a ton of friends in Florida, she keeps to herself, she goes jogging, she goes shopping by herself. She`s been seen having lunch by herself. She`s not little Ms. Social down there and she might be happy back in Sweden.
BEHAR: So Tiger has all the company. And the allegation is now it`s up to like 12 women? 12.
JACOBS: Yes. They just keep coming. You know "Us Weekly" broke the story about Jamie Grubbs last week and ever since then we`ve had a lot of these women emailing us, calling our office, you know, a lot of them you can read about in the magazine. We have a Brady Bunch-like chart of all these different women and all the things that they allege. They were having sex with Tiger in a church parking lot. One of them says that Tiger wanted her to wear red panties because that reminded him of his mother, since that`s her favorite color. You figure that out.
BEHAR: Huh? They`re crazy. But you know, there are these text messages between Tiger and Jamie Grubbs. Do you have a sample?
JACOBS: Yes, we published a bunch last week. But we publish more this week. I`m going to read you a sample of one. Tiger e-mailed her out of the blue, so who is your new boy toy? She emailed back, no new boy toy, still running dry. Been on two real dates in the past month and she gives a sad emoticon. And so she wrote back saying I need you. She said get your tight little you know what over here and visit me. And it kind of went on from there.
BEHAR; Oh god, your tight little you know what? What is his tight little you know what? Tight little tush.
JACOBS: Tight little tush. Yes.
BEHAR: Yes, tight little tush.
JACOBS: And they were more explicit from there. But since this is a family show, I -- you can check out the new issue of US Weekly though to get the R rated version.
BEHAR: We`re going to buy it. We`re going to buy it, I mean; we`re so interested in the story. Everybody`s still interested in it. So let`s just ride this horse into the oblivion. Thanks, Bradley, thank you very much for joining me. There are probably not a lot of laughs in the Woods` household right now. But that doesn`t stop fellow philanderer David Letterman from making jokes.
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DAVID LETTERMAN: Boy it looks like that Tiger Woods is having some trouble, huh? You know, I was thinking if this thing had happened three months ago, I would have material for a year. I wish he would stop calling me for advice.
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BEHAR: Now Letterman actually has material that`s not about himself. But what`s sad is Tiger is now a member of the cheater`s club, where she joins Mark Standford, Elliot Spitzer, Peter Cook, Steve Phillips, and Jon Gosselin. I can go on but it`s only an hour show. So why do men cheat? Or should we ask are there men that don`t cheat? Is it nature, nurture or nooky? Here to discuss our actor/comedian, Hal Sparks, relationship expert, and psychologist Michelle Callahan and Rabbi Shmuley Boteach author of the Broken American Man. OK, welcome to the show. Rabbi Boteach, did I say it right?
RABBI SHMULEY BOTEACH: You got it, you got it perfectly, you got something stuck in your through when you said it.
BEHAR: I did. Is there such a thing is serial cheaters, is that what he is?
BOTEACH: No, the reason men cheat is not for sex. The vast majority of affairs --
HAL SPARKS, ACTOR COMEDIAN: Speak for yourself.
BOTEACH: OK, so we have an exception that proves the rule. The vast majority of male affairs take place on the internet. They take place on telephone, there`s no physical component. Men cheat out of a sense of insecurity and brokenness. And specifically men like Tiger Woods and people that you mentioned before, governors and presidents who are always dependent on the next victory and fear the next defeat that are the most secure and they require the validation of women who are strangers to make them feel sexy. Why can`t their own wives make them feel sexy?
BEHAR: Yes.
BOTEACH: Because if you question whether you have self-worth, if you see yourself as one big looser, the woman dumb enough to marry you is a loser squared. So if she has no value --
SPARKS: You can`t trust her at all.
BOTEACH: Exactly.
SPARKS: She married a golfer. I`m sorry, I`m just erasing text messages.
BEHAR: But you`re sort of letting him off the hook.
BOTEACH: I`m not letting them off the hook at all, on the contrary. They are the completely utterly responsible. It`s other people who say men cheat because wives deny them sex. Because the wives are not emotionally available. They`re the ones who are blaming the victims. The men are utterly culpable and utterly responsible for their actions.
BEHAR: Lisa Rinna in the previous segment said you got to keep the sex going after the 17 or 20 years.
BOTEACH: See that is the worst kind of explanation because then it blames the wife. These guys, on the contrary, it`s usually the husbands who have the most devoted wives who cheat because they can afford them to keep them for granted.
MICHELLE CALLAHAN: But you do have to keep the sex going. Any relationship that -
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BOTEACH: OK, but not in order to stop infidelity.
CALLAHAN: No.
BOTEACH: They`re going to cheat as an ego boost.
CALLAHAN: That`s just for good advice for keeping a relationship happy and healthy, it does need to be sexually healthy and outgoing.
SPARKS: Right and absolutely. I would like to go out on a limb here and say that some of the women that these guys cheat with are actually very attractive and interesting, and sometimes men cheat or have extra relationship affairs
BEHAR: Yes.
SPARKS: Because those women are extraordinary. And when you`re a high profile person, you will tend to meet more extraordinary women than you would if you just live in Wisconsin.
CALLAHAN: And they will throw themselves at your feet.
SPARKS: Yes, and I`m saying -
BEHAR: What do you mean extraordinary women?
SPARKS: You will meet more women --
BOTEACH: What the strippers, the extraordinary strippers?
SPARKS: I`m not going to automatically say a woman who strips for a living is not an interesting person.
BOTEACH: Well I`m not saying that at all.
SPARKS: All I`m saying is that she`s a second class person. Because what I`m saying is you meet a woman and you`re surprised that you have any kind of a connection. Even if it`s like -- we get very focused on the cheap sexual aspect of it and whatever and not realize that when you meet other human beings in vast numbers, as a celebrity, as a governor, as a golfer, --
BEHAR: Yes, yes, then what happens?
SPARKS: You`re struck by this woman is very attractive -- I`m very attracted to her, she seems very attracted to me --
CALLAHAN: So is his wife.
BOTEACH: So that`s the whole thing Bill Clinton cheated with Monica Lewinsky. Now Hillary Clinton, even according to her biggest detractors, is a woman of phenomenal brilliance, she`s an attractive woman, so why would he cheat? The answer is that men need these strangers to whom they`re not related to make them feel sexy because men are that insecure.
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SPARKS: I don`t think -- I don`t think this necessarily broken needy aspect of it I don`t necessarily buy it because there just is the opportunity for extraordinary connection between people that you meet.
CALLAHAN: Maybe it`s just sheer numbers too, where you got so many people coming at you, you`re a celebrity.
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SPARKS: Maybe if you`re like broken inside, exactly, you`re meeting so many people and you`re like wow. that woman is beautiful, you`re attracted to her. And I want to act on that and it`s not about being broken inside.
BEHAR: Ok, ok. What about going to a hooker, isn`t it cheaper? Look at Spitzer, he spent $80,000 on hookers. This guy is going to give away half his income if she leaves him.
CALLAHAN: It would have been safer because then you have that promise of confidentiality. But there`s fun in the chase. When you hire someone, there`s an exchange, I give you this, and you have to give me that. It`s different when you have to win them over. You get to seduce them. That`s part of the fun and part of what keeps people going, the falling in love.
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SPARKS: That`s what I mean.
CALLAHAN: Not in his case, there`s no relationship.
BOTEACH: Men look to women, especially men in the public eye. And remember, Aristotle said 2,000 years ago the only guys that pursue the public eye are broken inside because they need external validation. They need that camera to make them feel like people notice. They need fans in order for them to feel like they matter. So the thing about sex is it`s like a drug. It gives us feeling of Nirvana. You feel really good afterward. You feel this artificial sense of connection and it takes away your pain. Little do you realize it`s only going to cause more pain. Let me just prove my point --
BEHAR: Can I just interrupt you, you can do that by yourself, you don`t need anybody else to do that --
BOTEACH: No, no, it`s the feminine aspect. It`s the woman who you think is the bomb that soothes you from all this pain. And let me prove it. Studies show that men who have deep emotional conversations with their lives and express their brokenness, men who aren`t afraid to articulate their fear of failure with their wives they don`t cheat. Because their wives become a source of comfort for them. The fact this --
BEHAR: Oh that`s the emotional cheater.
BOTEACH: Correct.
BEHAR: That`s the emotional cheater you`re talking about. See Rabbi Shmuley thinks like if you have a conversation with a woman, a heterosexual relationship with a woman and you give intimate things away, am I correct, you`re cheating on your wife.
BOTEACH: Well it`s a form -
BEHAR: Without sleeping with her. I know your stuff.
SPARKS: Well, if you`re locked into a very patriarch monarch -- monogamous sense - that`s the only way relationships come and that`s the only way that they work, of course, that`s how you`d believe and that`s how --
BEHAR: Then maybe -
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BEHAR: Maybe monogamy is not viable anymore.
BOTEACH: Now that I`ve been portrayed as this antiquated sort of knuckle dragging religious Neanderthal who believes in monogamy and all that -- let me just say that men --
SPARKS: I`m saying you have one viewpoint and that`s yours.
BEHAR: I believe in that - I don`t think you are a Neanderthal.
BOTEACH: I believe in it and I think the women are much more sexual than men. Male sexuality compared to female sexually is a pathetic joke. Women are multi orgasmic. Men are uni-orgasmic. We make the mistake of thinking that women are not interested in sex. That`s balderdash.
SPARKS: I`ve never made that mistake in my life.
BOTEACH: So, it`s not about being patriarchal or anything else. The only difference is that studies show the only reason a wife cheats is if she`s neglected by her husband, period.
And the reason is women actually enjoy the attention of a single man. But men are broken enough to need the attention of many women. And that`s why when you discover these men cheat like Tiger Woods, it usually comes in vast numbers. And that shows you it`s not about sex.
BEHAR: They`re not all the same.
BOTEACH: Because you can have a lot of sex with one woman instead of having a little bit of sex with a lot of women.
BEHAR: Look he`s a big star, he`s big athlete. The women were available. He went for it. The end. Thanks to my panel. Back in a minute with the outspoken Roseanne Barr. Should be interesting.
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UNIDENTIFIED: Look at you.
UNIDENTIFIED: Stunning, ain`t it? I brushed my teeth.
UNIDENTIFIED: What happened to you?
UNIDENTIFIED: This is the real me.
UNIDENTIFIED: It`s my favorite dress.
UNIDENTIFIED: You can wear it tonight when we`re alone.
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BEHAR: Well, that was from the legendary show "Roseanne." many TV stars have a shelf or two for the awards they`ve won. This woman must have a whole room set aside just for her awards. She changed the face of television in the`80s and `90s and it`s a pleasure to have her here, Roseanne Barr. Hey Roseanne.
ROSEANNE BARR, ACTRESS: Hi Joy.
BEHAR: I`m so happy to have you here.
BARR: I`m thrilled. I stayed longer so I could be on your show. But I just want to say I love your show so much.
BEHAR: Thank you.
BARR: I love the block of you three women, Jane, Nancy and Joy. I watch it every single day of my life. I watch it multiple times in multiple rooms. I watch it when it comes on and I watch it when I go to bed for the things that I missed.
BEHAR: Wow.
BARR: I want to say as a woman, I am just thrilled to hear these three strong women`s voices talking about things that I care about and I just, you know, I`m thrilled.
BEHAR: And you have a radio show. You must be doing the same thing, right?
BARR: Well I have two radio shows. One of them is you know a great, public, what do you call it, free speech radio KPFK on Tuesdays.
BEHAR: Like an NPR thing.
BARR: Yes. Like an NPR thing.
BEHAR: It doesn`t pay much
BARR: No, it doesn`t pay anything, but I`m trying to help them raise money because I believe in that free speech radio. The other one I pay to do. And I buy my own radio time on Sunday for two hours on a station called KCAA radio.com. Because nobody wants to hear it, so I`m going to force it down their throat.
BEHAR: So this is not exactly a money making operation. But you`re out there doing your thing.
BARR: I`m rich. But this is a way for me --
BEHAR: How rich are you exactly?
BARR: not as rich as people think I am.
BEHAR: I mean it`s a sitcom that`s very successful. You were the creator of it.
BARR: I only own a fraction of it. I only own a fraction of it. But the sitcom itself made something like a billion dollars for Viacom and ABC and I received a tiny fraction that. But it was enough.
BEHAR: But it was enough. And you got all these kids to support.
BARR: I have five kids, five grand kids.
BEHAR: You gave birth to all five of them?
BARR: I sure did.
BEHAR: They popped out of you, all five.
BARR: The last one they had to remove.
BEHAR: With what?
BARR: I had to get a c-section for my last kid, because I was really old.
BEHAR: How old were you?
BARR: I was like 44. I was like, it will be all right. I`ll be 60 when he graduates from high school, not knowing, here he is 14 and I can barely wake up for any of that - and just laying in bed.
BEHAR: It was shocking to me to see you with gray hair, because we were looking at some pictures before you were blond, and a friend of mine, my friend Donna was in Los Angeles and she has gray hair. And she said, a woman at one of the hotels said to her friend, look, gray hair. Yes, like it was so -- such a phenomena it was gray hair. Do you experience things like that?
BARR: Yes, like I went and pitched some stuff at networks and all the women were like this.
BEHAR: Staring at you.
BARR: And then down to my turkey waddle neck and back up. It`s kind of like, how dare you. That`s what I thought.
BEHAR: It`s like against the sisterhood someway.
BARR: This is the most radical thing you could have ever done. But I like it, because I know it makes people mad, so I like it.
BEHAR: But you have had plastic surgery. I remember in the old days when you had a lot of stuff done.
BARR: I had the vaginal rejuvenation.
BEHAR: The vaginal rejuvenation.
BARR: Now I`ve got the junior.
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BARR: No, I didn`t get that one yet.
BEHAR: What else did you get?
BARR: Well, I got a nose job. I had no eye lids. I got eye lids. You got to do it all when you`re 39. I did it when I was 39.
BEHAR: Is that when you do it?
BARR: That`s what they say, because then it takes you to the rest of your life. So I`m like 57 now. It`s been a while.
BEHAR: It`s been awhile. You`ve had an interesting lifestyle. This Tiger Woods story, let me ask you about it. How far down the driveway would he have gotten if you were married to him?
BARR: Well you know, Joy, there was a time in my life where I was physically abusive to my husbands and threw things at them while they were asleep and put things in their food like Exlax and stuff like that.
BEHAR: Really which husbands are those?
BARR: Everyone of them.
BEHAR: Tom Arnold?
BARR: Yes, all of them. Yes but then I realized it isn`t domestic violence is not right when women or men do it, so you know I.
BEHAR: That`s right.
BARR: So like it was. Right that I threw things at any of them.
BEHAR: No, that wasn`t right.
BARR: No.
BEHAR: But what would provoke it, I`m just curious?
BARR: There were a variety of things. I`m a moody person. Believe it or not, I`m not an easy woman to live with.
BEHAR: No really?
BARR: No, I`m not. But I infidelity I can understand where Elin -- infidelity is the thing that provokes a lot of people, male and female to violence.
BEHAR: So you know what it is, it`s betrayal.
BARR: It`s total. Yes.
BEHAR: you feel like how come he`s not picking my storm windows up? It`s a detail I recall.
BARR: Storm windows?
BEHAR: The little details of fixing things around the house. Once he`s gone with somebody else, now you`re stuck with all the little things in the house that you can`t do and he doesn`t fix them for you and that`s the betrayal that you feel.
BARR: I just think it`s like the lowest thing anybody can do. It`s just a low, lying -- it`s just a --
BEHAR: It`s an epidemic.
BARR: If he had any -- he would say I`m bored about you and move on. But it`s always about money. I`m going to get to do this and not get caught. Because if I get caught it`s going to cost me some money. I think that`s what people think, male and female.
BEHAR: Well he`s offering her, the wife Elin, a lot of money, to stay with him for seven years.
BARR: I hope she doesn`t do it. Aren`t you sick of hypocritical women just going like, hey you know, it`s like just above street whore. She should leave him kick him to the curve. She has her own money - she doesn`t need anything from him, she should just be like I`m not one of your whores--
BEHAR: I don`t know that she has her own money.
BARR: She does. She`s an international supermodel. Are you kidding?
BEHAR: Well, not his kind of money, he`s worth $1 billion.
BARR: She has enough money where she doesn`t have to stay with a guy like that who has gone with every waitress he ever met.
BEHAR: And a couple of porn stars now.
BARR: She needs to move on. I hope she doesn`t stay with him like all of these women, mealy-mouthed women that stay with their cheating. I never stay if somebody cheats on me. I never stay if someone cheats on me.
BEHAR: No, you stab them.
BARR: I didn`t go so far as to stab --
BEHAR: No, just the Exlax.
BARR: I could pick up a dresser.
BEHAR: An angry woman could pick up a dresser. That`s the lesson to be learned here. More with Roseanne when we come back. You have strength that you never knew you had.
BARR: Yes, you have so much anger.
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BEHAR: I`m back with the fabulous Roseanne. Ok, your name changed quite a bit. You were Roseanne Arnold, now you`re Roseanne Barr again and you had another name in between there didn`t you.
BARR: Yes, yes, yes. Kentland Thomas.
BEHAR: Are you still friends with that husband?
BARR: Yes, I`m friends with every husband that I`ve had children with.
BEHAR: Oh so you and Tom Arnold?
BARR: No, we`re not friends.
BEHAR: He got married again.
BARR: Wish him the best, wish her the best.
BEHAR: That was a bad time, I think, for you wasn`t it?
BARR: It was the worst time of my life.
BEHAR: Really?
BARR: And all -- I was getting all of this fame too. So it`s like you lose your balance and you`re like -- it was like being in the -- in a hurricane.
BEHAR: Yes. I can imagine. But people were criticizing him more than you at that time. They were saying he was on your coat tails, but he`s done well for himself. I don`t know that he would be famous without you.
BARR: Who knows.
BEHAR: I don`t think so. You have some quotes on your blog that interest me. You`re very radical in some of your thinking, which I like. Pedophiles need to be euthanized like mad dogs. I agree with that.
BARR: Yes. The first time. The first time they`re caught. Don`t give them a second chance. You don`t give a rapid dog --
BEHAR: You would kill them. The lethal injection?
BARR: Yes, whatever it takes. You ran over a child, you`re dead. And I think when men decide they`ve had enough that they`ve seen their kids abused enough that I think men will do it. That`s one thing where I think it`s cool when guys get together and protect the community they`re supposed to protect.
BEHAR: Uh-huh. Now, what do you think of Sarah Palin?
BARR: I think she`s really likable. And I think that`s a little scary because the stuff she says -- she`s half crazy and out of her mind, but she`s likable. And a lot of us know people like that. But I have this feeling. If you and me took her out and we got her drinking and talking we could turn her.
BEHAR: You think so?
BARR: I do. I do. Because I think she`s like a slave to these, you know, Right Wing men that -- that`s like the only way a right wing woman can make it, you know.
BEHAR: Really, you think so?
BARR: The only way a woman can make it in the right wing or the conservative, whatever you want to call it, republican, is to be against all other women. And that is what she does.
BEHAR: I see.
BARR: And I think we could turn her. I think she`s never really talked to a real feminist. And I think that -- I think she`s not happy in her marriage.
BEHAR: How do you know?
BARR: Because you can tell.
BEHAR: Well, her faux son-in-law says they have separate bedrooms.
BARR: Did you love the interview in Vanity Fair?
BEHAR: He tells a lot of stuff. But you don`t know if it`s true or not.
BARR: You can tell she goes in her bedroom with the "Star" and the "Enquirer" for hours. That`s why she`s likable. That`s like us.
BEHAR: We can relate to her.
BARR: Yes, but we have to go, dude, you`re on the wrong side of things.
BEHAR: I don`t like what happened to her at a recent book signing. A man threw two tomatoes at her and missed.
BARR: That`s disgusting.
BEHAR: That I don`t like. Because if they`re going to throw tomatoes at her, me and you and any woman.
BARR: Well, any woman. I don`t like where she is treated badly because she`s female. I think that`s so wrong. And I think that the lesson --
BEHAR: Yes but we`re not going to vote for her until she becomes a true feminist, right?
BARR: We`ve got to wise her up and take her out.
BEHAR: We got to wise her up. let`s go moose hunting with her.
BARR: I don`t know about that.
BEHAR: Thanks for doing this, Roseanne.
BARR: Thank you.
BEHAR: I love you. You`re a fabulous broad. Love you. If you`re in Maui on January 15th, and who isn`t? Check out Roseanne performing at the hard rock. Thanks for watching, everybody. Good night.
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