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Nancy Grace
Tiger`s Wife Not Wearing Wedding Ring
Aired December 15, 2009 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Windermere, Florida. Superstar golf phenomenon Tiger Woods drives out of his multi-million- dollar compound barefoot, 2:00 AM after Thanksgiving Day celebrations, and has a head-on collision with a tree and a fire hydrant. His young wife, the mother of his two children, says she hears the crash from inside, runs out to beat out both back windows of Woods`s Cadillac. Woods refusing repeatedly to speak to police, immediately pulling out of his own golf tournament as the alleged mistresses hit double digits, including a swimsuit model, two porn stars and a waitress at a pancake house. Woods just gets a slap on the wrist, even though a witness tells cops Woods was drinking before the crash and prescribed sleeping pills and the painkiller Vicodin.
Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, Woods`s wife, Elin Nordegren, goes public, caught on video making a point to show the world she has shed her wedding band. With a full staff, this woman never needs to leave the home, so why send a message to the world? And tonight, we learn terms of an alleged payout to reported mistress number one, a New York party hostess. Price tag, millions, structured like Michael Jackson`s first multi-million-dollar payout to an alleged victim to guarantee silence. Sources reporting Woods fears two more alleged mistresses set to surface, raising the tally to 16 women.
We learn Woods not on his multi-million-dollar yacht, the Privacy, but instead bunked up in the home of a friend out of state. Reports Woods flies back to Florida to meet with child services, who come to Woods`s home to investigate domestic violence with a weapon in front of the two children. Reports today repairmen in the home with ladders. Was it to repair damage to the home`s entrance hall the night of the big blow-up?
Woods`s wife reportedly contacting divorce lawyers. Do you blame her? As his mistresses move on to fame and fortune with offers of everything from spokesperson to modeling for "Playboy," even Woods`s doctor now under police scrutiny. Cop cars on duty as moving vans reportedly show up, pack up and leave. Reports Woods heading to France, a la Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie. As Woods announces an indefinite leave from golf and admits, quote, "infidelity," up to $35 million in endorsements drying up, what really happened to Tiger Woods?
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GRACE: Yet another woman has decided to go public.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now he`s caught red-handed!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you think that Tiger`s a sex addict?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The man that I knew, the Tiger that I knew, I would never think that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tiger has patterns of, obviously, infidelity and risk taking. I think to call him a sex addict is a stretch (INAUDIBLE) excuse for really bad, bad behavior.
GRACE: You see his wife, Elin Nordegren, without that huge, humongous diamond ring.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tiger Woods has lost his first big name sponsor since admitting to cheating on his wife.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Accenture is dropping him, basically saying he is not the right representative for its advertising.
GRACE: Now we see boxes being loaded onto Woods`s multi-million- dollar yacht, the Privacy.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A moving fan did pull up in front of Tiger`s home. They moved out lots of boxes.
GRACE: Now, a lot of these women are claiming two and three-year relationships with him, some in the family home. To me, that would crack the prenup.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you feel guilty?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I guess if I were to seriously think about it, I -- you know, I -- I did feel guilty that, you know, he`s spending his time with somebody, you know, that isn`t his wife. But you know, he never mentioned her.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s not very happy. She`s working on a different settlement. She`s perhaps talking to divorce lawyers. She is definitely mad about everything that`s going on, and I don`t think that you can rule out the fact that they`re not going to be together.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This very well could be the beginning of the end.
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GRACE: And breaking news tonight, live, Newburgh, New York, the desperate search for a 4-year-old little boy vanishing from his own home, Mommy at work, the live-in baby-sitting the little boy when he goes missing without a trace 1:00 PM, broad daylight. As we go to air, bloodhounds released on the property. Tonight, where is 4-year-old Marc Anthony Bookal?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Teams of police fanned out looking for 4-year-old Marc Anthony. The boy disappeared from his home in Newburgh while being watched by his mother`s boyfriend. The child`s mother told police Marc Anthony just wandered away as they were getting ready to visit a relative.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is the door, the back door, which leads to an alley, which is what the mother`s boyfriend said was wide open when he realized that Marc had gone missing. Her boyfriend, Mr. Bird (ph), was here, fallen asleep, had been watching television, maybe a movie, and then noticed at 1:00 PM that little Marc had gone missing. He noticed that this door was wide open, and no Marc.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police have arrested 30-year-old Cory Bird (ph) and charged him with endangering the welfare of a child and for a parole violation.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think somebody must have snatched him up because he don`t wander off or anything. He`s always where he`s supposed to be at. He never wanders off.
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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. In the last hours, Woods`s wife, Elin Nordegren, goes public, caught on video making a point to show the world she has shed her wedding band. And tonight, we learn terms of an alleged a payout to reported mistress number one, a New York party hostess. Price tag, millions, and it`s structured allegedly like Michael Jackson`s first multi-million-dollar payout to an alleged victim to guarantee the boy`s silence. Sources reporting Woods fearing two more alleged mistresses set to surface, raising the tally to 16 women.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have no words to explain, you know, what I have done to her and her family.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Elin, how are you? Do you still love Tiger, Elin? Will you ever forgive him?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I would be deeply sorry for never considering her during the whole process.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you going to divorce him, Elin? What do you think of his 14 mistresses?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, it`s -- it`s Tiger. I need you to do me a huge favor. Can you please take your name off your phone? My wife went through my phone and may be calling you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Global consulting firm Accenture is the first to end its business relationship with Tiger.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There seem to be real relationships. As you read these text messages, this wasn`t ships in the night. The odd thing about it is for a person like, hey, who is a playboy, for want of a better term, he really got emotionally involved with these women.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When I did air that voicemail, I mean, when I -- the day I received it, it was kind of, like, a reality check for me. It was kind of saying, you know, I`m not the most important person to him.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I do not for one second believe he had real relationships with these women.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We see that it`s the same pattern again and again, where each person thinks that they`re the only one and that they`ll be the one with Tiger.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tiger released a statement on his Web site admitting to infidelity and announcing an indefinite break from golf.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His wife and his two little children -- they`re the real victims in all of this.
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GRACE: Straight out to Ellie Jostad, our chief editorial producer. Elin Nordegren sending a message to the world today, caught on video. You`re seeing what we observed today. Where was she? Why was she out and about?
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, she wasn`t far from her home. She was with her daughter, Sam, who`s about 2 years old. Apparently, they went and had lunch. As she`s leaving the restaurant, that`s when she`s spotted again without her wedding ring. She also wasn`t wearing it on Sunday when she was pumping gas. Now, the word is that she was asked a barrage of questions. She didn`t say much of anything other than that the kids were OK.
GRACE: To Drew Petrimoulx, reporter with WDBO, joining us there in Florida, Drew, her husband is literally a billionaire. That`s with a "B," as in brother -- billionaire. She doesn`t have to pump her own gas, Drew Petrimoulx? Where exactly was she? And how far away from the home was she?
DREW PETRIMOULX, WDBO: Not too far, within 20 miles from the home. It was at a local Thai restaurant, I believe, where she was photographed. Again, she didn`t have the wedding ring on...
GRACE: A local what?
PETRIMOULX: Thai restaurant.
GRACE: Thai?
PETRIMOULX: I think she was having lunch. Thai food.
GRACE: On the other hand -- to you -- let`s unleash the lawyers, Raymond Giudice, Atlanta defense attorney, Richard Herman, New York defense attorney. Why should she stay in the home? Yes, she`s probably got a fleet of servants, but maybe she wants to get the heck out of there. Raymond Giudice, why send a message to the world?
RAYMOND GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, it`s interesting. I think she may also, at some point in time, want to sort of push back and say, Look, I`ve been wronged. I want to let people know I`ve been wronged. She`s been holed up in that house now since Thanksgiving. I`m sure this is some kind of emotional cathartic release, and she needs some freedom, and I can`t blame her.
GRACE: Put Giudice on the screen.
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GRACE: You know, I`ve known you or of you since you`re been practicing law since the `80s. It`s the first time I`ve heard of a cathartic release come from between your lips. So why don`t we just cut the BS and let`s talk about why she`s really out there. And if I ever hear Giudice say "cathartic" again, I`ll know the end of the world is coming.
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GRACE: Herman, what legal strategy could be behind being out in public without the wedding band? As I said yesterday, I was out without mine because I didn`t want it to get stuck in the top of a McDonald`s play station, all right, 40 feet up off the ground.
RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: So it wasn`t -- it wasn`t...
GRACE: But that`s not quite the same thing. So what could legally, strategically be behind this?
HERMAN: She`s trying to gather public support for her. I didn`t hear her come out and pronounce she gave the ring back to him. You know for sure she`s keeping that ring. And Nancy, that ante-nuptial agreement, that prenuptial agreement is rock solid. It doesn`t mean anything. He should move back into that house right now.
GRACE: Oh, is that so?
HERMAN: That`s right.
GRACE: Because from what we understand from our sources, the prenup is now being negotiated, Mr. Rock Solid Can`t Touch It! What about it, Kim Serafin, "In Touch Weekly"? What do we know about the prenup? If it`s so rock solid, why touch it? Why renegotiate it, Kim?
KIM SERAFIN, "IN TOUCH WEEKLY": Right. Well, remember, we had had those reports from last week saying that they were trying to change the prenup, that he was offering Elin $5 million to stay right away, and then increasing it from $20 million over 10 years to something like up to $85 million over the next seven years. So clearly (INAUDIBLE)
GRACE: What about that, Richard Herman?
HERMAN: Prostitution, Nancy.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re talking about the most iconic sports figure and one of the biggest celebrities on the planet. So nothing is sort of self-contained. Nothing is ever going to be allowed, basically, in this sort of media environment that we`re in, with Twitter and the Internet, where news travels explosively around the globe -- nothing ever is sort of self-contained when it comes to celebrities, and Tiger Woods`s celebrity is just absolutely enormous.
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911 OPERATOR: Is it a car accident, sir?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a car accident, yes. I need you -- yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The investigation has determined that Mr. Woods is at fault in the crash.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There had to be something that caused him to lose control of his vehicle.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There were reports that there was a domestic dispute before Tiger Woods left his house.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Elin had found Tiger`s phone, and on it, she had seen text messages.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My wife went through my phone and may be calling you. Because she can, please take your name off that, and, what do you call it, just have it as a number.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s all blowing up as we speak.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re getting word of more alleged affairs.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It wasn`t one woman, it wasn`t two. You know, we think the number has been up to 13.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I do not for one second believe he had real relationships with these women.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I did put a lot of, you know, emotions into this. And I did care very much for him. And when we were together, I mean, he did make me feel like I was the only girl. So to go back and see, and I mean, especially now, when there`s more and more.
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GRACE: Back out to Kim Serafin with "In Touch Weekly." Kim, what can you tell me about what we have learned regarding a payout, an alleged payout from Tiger Woods to alleged mistress number one, Rachel Uchitel?
SERAFIN: Well, there is a report that says he is paying her a million dollars over the next five years, I believe, according to Thedailybeast.
GRACE: Now, hold on.
SERAFIN: Now, of course...
GRACE: I understand it`s $5 million over the next five years, which is $1 million per year.
SERAFIN: Right. Exactly, $1 million per year...
GRACE: So $5 million.
SERAFIN: ... over the next five years. Exactly, according to...
GRACE: Not $1 million.
SERAFIN: ... Thedailybeast.
GRACE: Now, you know what`s interesting? To you, Ellie Jostad. That is the exact same structure as Michael Jackson`s payoff of $20 million to the first alleged boy child molestation victim, allegedly paid him $20 million over 20 years.
JOSTAD: Right.
GRACE: So if you don`t -- you don`t give him the whole thing up front. You guarantee each year they`re going to hang on for that next million.
JOSTAD: Yes. Exactly. That is what this report is stating, that what they would do is they`d give her one year this year. So it`s not like you get a lump sum and then later change your mind and go forward with whatever accusations you want to make.
GRACE: But Ellie, why her? Why is she the one to get the $5 million?
JOSTAD: Well, the speculation is that Rachel Uchitel, who is the first woman that we heard connected to Tiger Woods -- the speculation is that she has information, possibly voicemails, e-mails, that kind of thing, that indicates some sort of real love between her and Tiger Woods. In other words, they think she has the most damaging information.
GRACE: You know, Ellie -- and there is alleged mistress number one. She was in "OK!" magazine this past week. She refused to talk about her relationship with Tiger Woods. She is the one he allegedly discussed leaving his wife, that he wished he had never gotten married, wished he had met her before he got married.
JOSTAD: Right.
GRACE: OK, Ellie, while I`ve got you on the hot seat -- yes, we are taking your calls live -- what can you tell me about a new alleged mistress emerging...
JOSTAD: Right.
GRACE: ... that was seeing Tiger Woods before the marriage and now up to five years? She`s a 48-year-old Florida woman? Is that correct?
JOSTAD: Yes. This is a woman who`s, yes, in her late 40s. Apparently, she met Tiger Woods before he was married to Elin Nordegren. They started an affair then, and apparently continued it once it was married. They say -- and these are claims, you know, that have not substantiated at this point. The woman herself has not come forward to confirm or deny. But supposedly, over five years` time, they met in various places around the country and continued this affair.
GRACE: When you say various places, what do you mean by that, Ellie Jostad?
JOSTAD: I mean that Tiger Woods would fly her to wherever he happened to be staying, playing. Wherever he was traveling, she would go meet him.
GRACE: Out to the lines. Jennifer, Missouri. Hi, Jennifer.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. My question is...
GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My question is, you know, you hear a lot of men who are serial cheaters, like Tiger is, think that it`s OK because it`s something they`ve seen growing up. Does anybody know his family history? Does anybody know if anyone in his family was a serial cheater and that`s kind of where he learned this behavior?
GRACE: I have never heard that allegation before. What, if anything, do we know, Kim Serafin?
SERAFIN: I have not heard that, either. I think that`s why this is such a shock to everyone because it is so different than what everyone knew about Tiger...
GRACE: Hey...
SERAFIN: ... what everyone assumed about Tiger.
GRACE: You know, Dr. Patricia Saunders, please tell me nobody`s going to try to blame the parents in this, OK? The father I imagine is in heaven right now. I don`t think we can resurrect him and try to blame him, can we?
PATRICIA SAUNDERS, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: No way. He`s behaving like a 13-year-old boy. This isn`t serial cheating, this is concurrent cheating. I think he splits off his wife, who`s the mother, and his sexual relationships with other women, and one has nothing to do with the other in his head. And therefore, it`s OK.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, it`s -- it`s Tiger. I need you to do me a huge favor. Can you please take your name off your phone? My wife went through my phone and may be calling you. Because she can, please take your name off that, and what do you call it, just have it as a number on the voicemail, just have it as your telephone number, OK? You got to do this for me. Huge. Quickly. All right, bye.
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GRACE: We are taking your calls live, this as reports that Woods fears two more women will surface, come forward, allegedly two more mistresses, raising the tally to 16, these women finding fame and fortune, getting offers from everything such as being a spokesperson for a Web site to posing nude in "Playboy." All right, that has a pretty hefty price tag to it.
Out to the lines. Avis, Virginia. Hi, dear.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy.
GRACE: Hello. What`s your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I want to know about a lady that was on the program here a few nights back that said that definitely this was not a mental disorder. I want to know where she gets that because I have a husband -- or had a husband -- my ex-husband was a sheriff`s deputy, and he had the same kind of problem. And I was with this man five years before I found out that he indeed had had a mental disorder and had been treated for it years before I ever met him.
GRACE: What was the mental disorder, Avis?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, he had -- they had medications. I found forms after he left where he was on certain medications for a mental disorder. I don`t know which type. But I do know that he was a serial cheater. And he got...
GRACE: What about it? Let`s go to the doctor, Avis. That`s a really good point. Patricia Saunders, Dr. Patricia Saunders, clinical psychologist, joining us out of New York. What about it, Dr. Saunders? Do you really believe Tiger Woods has a mental disorder, an emotional disorder such as sex addiction, or is he just enjoying everything he can possibly get from all that money and all that fame?
SAUNDERS: I think he`s enjoying everything he possibly can. There`s a myth about sex addiction and it kind of pathologizes it and makes it a little bit more acceptable -- Well, the poor thing`s sick. Not so, Nancy. Sex addiction, if it really exists, people are uncomfortable and they don`t have a good time when they do it.
GRACE: Well, listen to this, Dr. Saunders. Ellie Jostad, didn`t he give an interview just recently where he said he learned in college...
JOSTAD: Yes.
GRACE: ... you got to remind me where he went to college -- to budget his time?
SAUNDERS: Right. Yes. He did go to Stanford, didn`t graduate but went there. He said that he learned time management techniques there that helped him balance golf and having a family.
GRACE: Well, he certainly did.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His wife came out of the house when she heard the accident, him hitting the fire hydrant, used a golf club, is what we were told, to break out the rear window to gain entrance to the vehicle, removed him from the vehicle...
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JAIMEE GRUBBS, TIGER WOODS` ALLEGED MISTRESS: This whole time, you know, 2 1/2 years that I thought that I could have been the only woman and the only reason why, you know, we didn`t hang out as much would be that he was busy.
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Tiger Woods, the battered brand, the fallen superstar. While his alleged mistresses continue to speak out and continue to pop-up, he`s self-imposed seclusion continues. He`s on an indefinite leave from professional golf.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Right now, Tiger Woods stands for infidelity, adultery.
NANCY GRACE, HOST: Elin Nordegren has closed on a family mansion in her home land. Now we see boxes being loaded on to Woods` multimillion- dollar yacht.
TOM O`NEIL, SENIOR EDITOR IN TOUCH WEEKLY, COVERING STORY: We have seen the wife out without him and without her wedding ring on.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is absolutely the perfect storm. One of the most if not the most recognizable man in the history of the universe, combined with the blogosphere, Internet access where accurate or inaccurate information is purveyed worldwide in a matter of seconds.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There`s no denying he`s worth his weight in gold to the PGA, the network, the brands he represents. What exactly is at stake here?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`s playing to the country club crowd, he`s playing to the corporate crowd. These are people who don`t like to be duped or surprised. And here they are, looking at Tiger now, the charade, this whole image that it turns out to be a fraud.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Elin, how are you? Do you still love Tiger, Elin? Will you ever forgive him? Are you going to divorce him, Elin? What do you think of his 14 mistresses? What would you say to them?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How about something nice like how are you holding up?
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: How are you holding up, Elin?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s interesting. In every interview I`ve seen of you, it is family first and golf second. Always be like that?
TIGER WOODS, GOLF CHAMPION: Always. Always.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The interesting thing for me is that to get to the top in sport, you have to be selfish. You have to be focused. And here we are, where suddenly you`re able to do that when you`re single, but when you`re married and have kids, it`s family first.
So how do you switch to make sure that you are the best golfer in the world, as well as a good dad?
WOODS: Well, you don`t sort of -- I don`t practice as much as I used to. I don`t spend the amount of hours on the golf course, not like I used to. But my focus is so much more intense than it ever used to be. Because I don`t have the time. I know I have to get whatever I have to get done in a shorter amount of time.
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GRACE: Time management. He learned that at Stanford. Stanford University, congratulations. That`s from NBC`s "Today Show," Tiger Woods` interview with Sky Sports 1.
We are taking your calls live, Sandy in Canada. Hi, Sandy.
SANDY, CALLER FROM CANADA: Hi, Nancy.
GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?
SANDY: I`m wondering why people for so many years have emulated Tiger Woods and deemed him to be such a great role model for children when his behavior on the golf course is despicable. He spits, he swears the f-bomb, he smashes his golf clubs all the time. That`s not a good role model.
And now, of course, this tops it all off. So I think we need a new role model and there are a lot of good golfers that didn`t get their talent from a bottle of steroids.
GRACE: You know what, Sandy, I`ve always looked up to Tiger Woods and I didn`t know any of that that you just told me.
To Michael Gordon, CEO of the Group Gordon in New York, crisis PR expert. Are you familiar with that behavior by Tiger Woods on the golf course?
MICHAEL GORDON, CEO, GROUP GORDON, CRISIS PR EXPERT (via phone): Yes, he was sometimes impetuous on the golf course, but by and large, his image was pretty pristine and he worked pretty hard to get it that way. And that`s really the whole issue we`re dealing with right now, Nancy.
You know, his image before was pristine, very carefully controlled. And now there`s a huge disconnect between his private life and his public persona. One is carefully controlled, the other was really irresponsible about his family. That`s why there`s so much interest in the story and that`s he will, over time, have a lot harder of a time recovering.
GRACE: To Drew Petrimoulx, standing by there in Florida tonight from WDBO Radio. Drew, it`s my understanding that reports are surfacing that he is very afraid that Elin Nordegren is going to divorce him and take the children to Sweden.
I mean, I don`t know how afraid he could be if all these reports of mistresses are true. Every time you take off with a mistress, you`ve got to think somewhere in the back of your mind what your spouse would do if they find out.
DREW PETRIMOULX, REPORTER, WDBO RADIO: Right. And there was also reports that there was a moving van seen at the house.
GRACE: Hold on, Drew, Drew. They`re showing. This is a photo from today, moving vans leaving the home. Go ahead, Drew Petrimoulx.
PETRIMOULX: Exactly. Well, with those reports, you have to wonder, is she planning on moving out? We understand from what we`ve heard that they were moving art work, but, you know, speculation run amuck, now is she moving out, is she going to move back to Sweden? You know, a lot of these questions are still unanswered.
GRACE: Moving what art work? Where? Hey, Liz, show me that shot again, please? Moving what art work where, Drew Petrimoulx?
PETRIMOULX: That`s the big question. I mean, we saw those pictures.
GRACE: Hold on, look at that -- look at the moving vans. There`s two large moving vans. What kind of art? Murals?
PETRIMOULX: Well, you know, that picture right there is from pretty far away. I think it`s actually from a helicopter, so it`s hard to tell exactly what it is, but from what I`ve heard and from the reports that are surfacing that it is some kind of art work.
Whether it belonged to Elin or Tiger is unclear. And whether she actually intends to move out of the house or not, like you said earlier, we now think that Tiger is actually shacked up with an old business friend up north. So he doesn`t seem to be in this area.
So it doesn`t seem like it would be an immediate thing for her to need to move out at this time, even if she wanted to get away from Tiger because he`s not here.
GRACE: To Ellie Jostad, what can you tell me about Tiger Woods` doctor, now under investigation?
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Right. This is a Canadian doctor who has reportedly treated Tiger Woods. Now he`s in trouble. He`s accused of importing illegal substances. However, there are no allegations that Tiger Woods has done anything either to...
GRACE: What substance?
JOSTAD: It is HGH and then also another drug that is banned in the U.S.
GRACE: Human growth hormone.
JOSTAD: Right.
GRACE: Please, Ellie, break it down for all of us that don`t research and are glued to their computer.
JOSTAD: Yes.
GRACE: . all day long like you are.
JOSTAD: OK.
GRACE: OK. So when you say illegal substance, we`re no talking about cocaine or heroin.
JOSTAD: No. No.
GRACE: We`re talking about the human growth hormone.
JOSTAD: Right.
GRACE: And no way is Tiger Woods associated with this, right?
JOSTAD: That`s right. That`s right. The procedure that this doctor reportedly performed on Tiger Woods -- we know Tiger had knee surgery. Apparently this doctor has perfected this type of therapy where you inject blood into a joint, it helps to heal. That`s what Tiger got.
GRACE: To Dr. Evelyn Minaya, women`s health expert. Dr. Minaya, this practice has also been called blood spinning. Title it platelet-rich plasma therapy. What is it?
DR. EVELYN MINAYA, M.D., WOMEN`S HEALTH EXPERT: Well, what it is, is that we actually take the platelets, which are a component in your blood that helps you clot. We add to that growth hormone, which, by the way, is illegal. And then we inject it into the site to speed up the recovery in terms of the healing. OK?
It is considered to be very foreign, obviously, because most of the people in the United States don`t use it. And that`s not something that we do to promote healing.
GRACE: So is using HGH, human growth hormone, for this blood spinning, is that illegal in America?
MINAYA: Yes, it is. You`re not supposed to use growth hormone when it is out of its normal realm of what we would use it for.
GRACE: Which is what?
MINAYA: Well, things like, for instance, there are children that are affected with not growing properly and in those cases then we use growth hormone. Those things are -- when they have short stature and cases like that and syndromes like that, we do use growth hormones. But we never use it in terms of expediting healing or anything else like that. Those are called off-label uses.
GRACE: To Bill Golodner, former NYPD, president of Kindershield Agency. Bill, it`s great to have you with us tonight. Bill, another alleged Woods` mistress has emerged. A 48-year-old Florida mother.
Now how difficult will it be to prove these allegations if she wants a divorce and it would go to trial?
BILL GOLODNER, FORMER NYPD, PRESIDENT, KINDERSHIELD AGENCY: Well, I think there`s going to be a slew of private investigators on this. I`m very interested to find out who`s going to come forward and say I`m having Tiger`s cubs. This is going to be something next. And we don`t know if this is going to be happening or not but we will wait and see.
GRACE: Everyone, as we go to break, our thoughts and prayers tonight to the family of one of our long-time producers, he helped found the show with us, Phil. In memory, loving memory of his father, Joseph Rosenbaum, Pembroke Pines, Florida, a holocaust survivor from Poland.
Mr. Rosenbaum was an inspiration. He insisted on keeping the memories of the holocaust atrocities alive. Over the years, the "Miami Herald" published many of his letters to the editor about his holocaust experiences and other world issues. He gave testimony for Stephen Spielberg`s Shoa Project and he spoke in Broward County school students.
Among his many, many accomplishments, he wrote his memoirs and was published in the bestseller, "Chicken Soup for the Mother Soul." His story describes his own mother`s sacrifice, giving her life to save his at a death camp in Poland.
He leaves behind a grieving widow of 20 years, Christiane, and his beloved son Phil.
Joseph Rosenbaum. I know that angels are happy to see you tonight. Good night, friend.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A parent`s worst night mare. Four-year-old Marc Bookal allegedly disappears from his own apartment right under the nose of mom`s boyfriend, 30-year-old Cory Byrd, who was supposed to be watching the child.
RUPA MIKKILINENI, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: This is the door, the backdoor, that leads to an alley, which is what the mother`s boyfriend says was wide open when he realized that Marc had gone missing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s not going to walk out of the house like that. He`s scared of people. You got to tell me something better than that. He just walked away and nobody knows where he`s at.
CHRISTINA BOOKAL, MISSING 4-YEAR-OLD`S MOTHER: He doesn`t wander off. He doesn`t go to strangers.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Law enforcement executing a search warrant on the home and arresting the mom`s boyfriend, the baby-sitter, Cory Byrd, charging him with a misdemeanor and endangering the welfare of a child.
BOOKAL: Wherever he`s at, just let him come home, please. He didn`t do anything to you. He didn`t do nothing. He didn`t ask for this. Just let him go home, all right?
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GRACE: The tip line, 800-FIND-KID, aka, 800-346-3543.
Straight to Rupa Mikkilineni, our producer there at the Newburgh Police Department. Where is this boy? The story doesn`t make sense to me.
MIKKILINENI: Nancy, we`re here in Newburgh where 4-year-old Marc Bookal disappeared about 1:00 p.m. yesterday. He disappeared from his two- story apartment building where he lived with his mom, his mom`s boyfriend and his three siblings. We don`t know.
GRACE: Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
MIKKILINENI: . where little Marc is tonight.
GRACE: I didn`t understand that it`s a two-story apartment building. I thought it was a single-house dwelling. That changes things. Go ahead, Rupa.
MIKKILINENI: That`s right, Nancy. It`s a two-story apartment dwelling. You walk into the first floor, you have the front door and you have living space and dining room. Then you go downstairs which is where the living quarters are. And that is also where the backdoor, the alley door, which is where little Marc went missing from. That`s the door that the boyfriend says was left wide open.
GRACE: Joining me also tonight is a very special guest. He is the host of "Street Court." Judge Michael Mazzariello.
Michael, you know, you and I go way, way back. Long before you were a big star on "Street Court." You used to be a prosecutor, Michael, just like me. What is your.
MICHAEL MAZZARIELLO, DEFENSE ATTORNEY, HOST OF "CLOSING ARGUMENTS": Exactly.
GRACE: . analysis of this case? What have you learned?
MAZZARIELLO: I was here all day. I had learned that the police officers in the city of Newburgh are scouring every inch, every block. The state troopers are out, dogs are out. Posters, community activists. And we`re looking for this boy actively.
I have the chief of police here. You`re going to speak to him shortly. Everything humanly possible to find this boy is being done, Nancy. And we`re just hoping that we have a good outcome here.
GRACE: Well, Michael, given your schedule shooting street crime, really appreciate you being with us tonight and taking such an interest in this little boy`s life. Marc Anthony Bookal, missing, just 4 years old. In this cold weather.
Joining us, special guest, chief of police of Newburgh Police Department, Eric Paolilli.
Chief Paolilli, it`s a real honor to have you with us. What is the temperature there tonight, Chief?
CHIEF ERIC PAOLILLI, CITY OF NEWBURGH POLICE: Thank you very much for having me. The temperature here tonight is just about freezing, I`d say about 32 degrees.
GRACE: Chief Paolilli, what did the little boy have on when he went missing?
PAOLILLI: He had a shirt and he had sweat pants and sneakers on.
GRACE: Now, Chief, what is the scenario the live-in boyfriend is giving police about the child`s disappearance?
PAOLILLI: That he discovered the child missing out the backdoor, that leads to a backyard that communicates with an alley way adjacent to the building and then other backyards on another street.
GRACE: Chief, who all was home? What time of a day was it when the boy allegedly went out the backdoor?
PAOLILLI: We got the call at about 10 after 1:00 yesterday afternoon. And according to the caller at the time, the child had been missing and out of his eyesight at that point for only about 10 minutes.
GRACE: So within 10 minute, he felt he should call police?
PAOLILLI: Yes, according to the caller, that`s exactly -- he went downstairs, saw that the door was open, saw that the child was nowhere around, looked around a bit and then decided to call police.
GRACE: Now, Chief, isn`t it true that he said the child wanted to go over to the aunt`s home? The aunt?
PAOLILLI: Ordinarily, the course of business would be for the child to go to a house adjacent to theirs, an aunt who is a babysitter. And he thought originally that might have happened. However, he checked that as well prior to the arrival of the first officers, and obviously it was not the case.
GRACE: Chief Paolilli, did he physically go to the aunt`s home to look for the boy and then come back to the home to call police?
PAOLILLI: He called us on a cell phone. He was out in front of the residence when police officers arrived.
GRACE: So he -- did he go to the aunt`s home before he called police?
PAOLILLI: Yes, it appears that he did exactly that and then called the police from the street.
GRACE: OK. Back to you, Rupa Mikkilineni, what more can you tell me?
MIKKILINENI: Well, what we do know -- I spoke with Christina Bookal, the mother today and she said that in the ordinary course of business, her sister, which is little Marc`s aunt would baby-sit from time to time when it was necessary. Sometimes he just wanted to hang out with his aunt. So that day her boyfriend said that he wanted to go see the aunt and that`s where he was headed.
GRACE: You are seeing video outside the home where this little boy is freezing tonight. A 4-year-old boy missing in Newburgh. Joining me right now, the mother of the missing child, Christina Bookal.
Miss Bookal, thank you for being with us. What do you know about the child`s disappearance? What did the boyfriend tell you what happened?
BOOKAL: That he wanted to go over to his aunt`s house. He said OK, he can go but he went out the door and he went out after him shortly and he wasn`t there. So he called me when he wasn`t next door.
GRACE: Did he call you before or after he called police?
BOOKAL: I believe it was after.
GRACE: Now, did the little boy go to school yesterday?
BOOKAL: No, he didn`t. He said his stomach was hurting.
GRACE: What was wrong?
BOOKAL: From time to time, his stomach is hurt and he just don`t want to go to school.
GRACE: Is the boyfriend`s biological son?
BOOKAL: Is who?
GRACE: Is the -- who`s the father of this little boy?
BOOKAL: Yule. It`s not Cory.
GRACE: OK. So it`s not Cory Byrd, this is not his biological son?
BOOKAL: No.
GRACE: Where`s the father?
BOOKAL: He`s here in Newburgh today.
GRACE: Is he normally in Newburgh or does he live elsewhere?
BOOKAL: He lives in Connecticut. From time to time he comes to Newburgh.
GRACE: OK. Michael Mazzariello, I mean, the first thing you look at is who was around the child at the time he goes missing. Take a look at Marc Anthony Bookal, he`s only 4, 3"5`, 42 pounds, light skinned, medium length sandy brown afro.
Michael, what about the father? I assume police have checked him out. He wanted the boy back.
MAZZARIELLO: And I actually checked him out, too. I interviewed him at length, Nancy. He denies any involvement in it. He lays the blame on the boyfriend.
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MIKKILINENI: This is about 1:00 p.m. yesterday and earlier in the afternoon, they had been in the bedroom that Marc`s mother shares with her boyfriend. Her boyfriend, Mr. Byrd, was here fallen asleep, had been watching television, maybe a movie, and then noticed at 1:00 p.m. that little Marc had gone missing. He noticed that this door was wide open and no Marc.
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GRACE: To Rupa Mikkilineni, our producer there, standing by with the chief of police, Judge Michael Mazzariello from "Street Court," and Christina Bookal, the boy`s mother.
Rupa, what can you tell me about the live-in`s criminal history?
MIKKILINENI: I`m sorry, I didn`t hear you.
GRACE: The criminal history of Cory Byrd.
MIKKILINENI: Cory Byrd. We know that he was arrested and imprisoned in 1999 for a 1998 incident, it was reckless endangerment of a child, his own child apparently, Nancy. He spent about 1 year and nine months in.
GRACE: What were the facts of that case?
MIKKILINENI: We understand that he was at home taking care of his 1- year-old son, who is now 12 years old. That is the eldest child that does live with them. And at the time, the child choked on a jolly rancher of some kind. He attempted to do a Heimlich maneuver and ended up bruising the child in the ribs.
GRACE: OK, you know what? You know what, Rupa? Rupa, just please stop. Because that is not what came out in court.
I want to go to Christina Bookal. Mr. Byrd went to jail over the physical treatment of his now 12-year-old son. Why do you believe that he has nothing to do with the disappearance of this 4-year-old baby boy?
BOOKAL: Because, for one, he has good relationship with Marc. And for a child, if he was being abused or whatever, he would not go to that person. And my son is not a person to go to other people. He`s.
GRACE: But what about the 1-year-old?
BOOKAL: He`s sweet and that`s it.
GRACE: What about the other little boy? Didn`t he have a good relationship with him? That was his blood relative, his own son.
BOOKAL: Yes, he did.
GRACE: So what`s the difference? You left your son alone with a man that has a history of beating a child.
BOOKAL: It wasn`t a history of beating a child. It was reckless endangerment because he gave him a piece of candy and he choked on it and he tried to perform the Heimlich maneuver.
GRACE: OK.
BOOKAL: Which is not supposed to be performed on a child.
GRACE: OK. Tip line, 800-FIND-KID.
Let`s stop and remember Navy Petty Officer 2nd Class Joseph Clark Schwedler, 27, Crystal Falls. Leaves behind a beautiful family including parents, Joseph and Susan, sister Kate, brother Tom.
Joseph Schwedler, American hero.
Thank you to our guests for being with us. But especially to you. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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