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Nancy Grace
Tiger`s Wife Reportedly Seeking Divorce
Aired December 16, 2009 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. Live, Windermere, Florida. Superstar golf phenomenon Tiger Woods drives out of his multi-million- dollar compound barefoot 2:00 AM after Thanksgiving Day celebrations and has a head-on collision with a tree and a fire hydrant. His young wife, the mother of his two children, says she hears the crash from inside, runs out and beats out both back windows of Woods`s Cadillac.
Woods refusing repeatedly to speak to police, immediately pulling out of his own golf tournament as the alleged mistresses hit double digits, including a swimsuit model, two porn stars and a waitress at a pancake house. Woods just gets a slap on the wrist, even though a witness tells cops Woods was drinking before the crash and was prescribed sleeping pills and the painkiller Vicodin.
Bombshell tonight. Woods`s wife, Elin Nordegren, moving out and taking the two children with her, Nordegren heading to Sweden while Tiger Woods plans to hole up and party with his guy friends over Christmas holidays. We also learn Woods`s multi-million-dollar yacht, the Privacy, is currency being prepped for Woods`s arrival, including repairs, cleaning, and being stocked with groceries. Why?
This as alleged monthly payments surface, payments of up to $20,000 a month by Tiger to multiple women over the years. Well, that alone sounds like enough to send his wife packing. And tonight, re-up that prenup! Woods offering Nordegren up to $75 million for her to stay in the marriage for just seven years. Reports certain alleged mistresses, likely the ones who didn`t get a payout, set to publish tell-all books.
And is Woods still in contact with alleged mistress number one, Rachel Uchitel? Is he crazy? Nordegren, reportedly contacting divorce lawyers, goes public caught on video making a point to show the world she has shed her wedding band. Do you blame her? With a full staff, this woman never needs to leave the home, so why send a message to the world?
Terms of an alleged payout to witness (SIC) number one reportedly $5 million, structured like Michael Jackson`s first multi-million-dollar payout to an alleged boy victim to guarantee silence. Sources reporting Woods fears two more alleged mistresses set to surface, raising the tally to a whopping 16 women. As Woods announces an indefinite leave from golf and admits, quote, "infidelity," up to $35 million in endorsements drying up and paparazzi buzzing like flies, trying their best to nail a shot of Woods and his wife to the tune of a quarter-million-dollar payout, what really happened to Tiger Woods?
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GRACE: Elin Nordegren has closed on a family mansion in her homeland, on an island off the coast.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you going to divorce him, Elin? What do you think of his 14 mistresses? What would you say to them?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "The Enquirer" claims team Tiger is working hard to silence alleged mistresses.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who`s going to come forward and say, I`m having Tiger`s cubs?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now, in spite of the sex scandal, Tiger Woods is still piling up those awards. the Associated Press has voted him "Athlete of the Decade."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Elin, how are you? Do you still love Tiger, Elin? Will you ever forgive him?
GRACE: Reports are surfacing that he`s very afraid that Elin Nordegren is going to divorce him and take the children to Sweden.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So this very well could be the beginning of the end.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tiger Woods has changed his cell phone number, and he won`t even talk to some of his famous friends.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If Charles (ph) and Michael (ph) can`t get to him, then other people are making bad moves.
GRACE: You see his wife, Elin Nordegren, without that huge, humongous, diamond ring. That`s very typically the first sign of a divorce, people start taking off the rings.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tiger isn`t out of the woods yet. His troubles are just beginning!
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GRACE: And breaking news tonight, live, San Antonio, the desperate search for a 10-year-old little boy snatched off the school bus, the little boy terrified, in tears, screaming for help, saying, Don`t let him take me! It`s all caught on tape. In a stunning twist, cops are in on it. They were tricked by the kidnapper, who had fake court child custody documents. At this hour, U.S. Marshals, Interpol and Texas authorities on high alert for 10-year-old Jean Paul.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jean Paul, your dad is here. I`m going to take you to your dad, OK?
JEAN PAUL: He`s not my dad. He`s not my dad!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your dad has a court order. Come on.
JEAN PAUL: No! He`s not my dad. He`s not my dad! Please help me!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on. It`s all right.
JEAN PAUL: He`s not my dad! I don`t want to live with him!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re going to have to get off the bus. Come on.
JEAN PAUL: No! I don`t want to live with him! No, no, no, no, no, no! Someone help me, please! Someone help me, please! Someone help me, please!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re scaring your little brother.
JEAN PAUL: I want to stay with my mom! Please, please, please!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re going to work it out. Come on.
JEAN PAUL: No, no, no, no, no!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on. We`re going to work it out. Come on. We`re going to work it out. Come on.
JEAN PAUL: Don`t make me go!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re going to be OK. You`re going to be all right.
JEAN PAUL: No! I don`t want to stay with him! I want to live with my mother!
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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Woods`s wife, Elin Nordegren, moving out, taking the two children with her, Nordegren heading to Sweden while Tiger Woods plans to hole up and party with guy friends over Christmas holidays. This as alleged monthly payments up to $20,000 a month by Tiger Woods to multiple women over the years. That alone sounds like enough to send his wife packing.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "People" magazine reporting this. Tiger Woods`s wife, Elin, wants out. She`s planning to leave him.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you think that Tiger`s a sex addict?
JAIMEE GRUBBS, TIGER`S ALLEGED MISTRESS: The man that I knew, the Tiger that I knew, I would never think that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How are you holding up, Elin?
GRUBBS: He never mentioned her. I never kind of -- you know, I never thought about it.
GRACE: You go into a marriage in good faith. You sign this prenup. And then suddenly, let`s just say your husband has 14 affairs with everybody from a porn star to a waitress at the pancake house.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s not very happy.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`ve got Rachel Uchitel obviously, the club hostess, Jaimee Grubbs, the reality show contestant.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No wonder the ladies call him Tiger!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now we`ve got another swimsuit model who met him in Vegas, she claims. We`ve got another woman who worked for this lingerie Web site.
GRACE: So could all of these alleged affairs defeat a prenup?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We`ve also got former porn star Holly Sampson who`s added to the list, and it goes on and on.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s perhaps talking to divorce lawyers. She is definitely mad about everything that`s going on, and I don`t think that you can rule out the fact that they`re not going to be together.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is she moving out? Is she going to move back to Sweden?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What would you tell his wife, Elin, if she was sitting right here?
GRUBBS: I have no words to explain.
GRACE: A lot of these women are claiming two and three-year relationships with him, some in the family home. How difficult will that be for a divorce lawyer to prove?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s not going to be difficult. We`ve got text messages. We`ve got voicemails.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, it`s -- it`s Tiger. I need you to do me a huge favor.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s not going to be hard at all.
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GRACE: Straight out to Steve Helling with "People" magazine, who has interviewed Woods. Steve, thank you for being with us. What can you tell us about Elin Nordegren moving out and heading to Sweden?
STEVE HELLING, "PEOPLE" MAGAZINE: Well, what we know at this point is that Elin has pretty much had enough. You know, one woman, when that first came out, she had decided she was going to stay with Tiger, they were going to work through it. But every day, it seems like there`s another woman coming out -- forward. And since that`s been happening, she`s just been getting angry. And she`s decided at this point to take off her ring and it`s time to move on. So she`s going to take the kids to Sweden for the holidays, and we`ll see if she ever comes back.
GRACE: If she ever comes back. So when those moving vans were at the home, Tiger Woods`s Florida mansion in Windermere, moving out artwork, where`s the artwork going?
HELLING: Well, we don`t know where it`s going right now, but it`s definitely a sign of splitting up some assets, moving some things out. And you can`t get anymore definite than that. Taking items out of the home, it just shows that the home is broken.
GRACE: And back to Steve Helling with "People" magazine. He has interviewed Woods. Steve, what more can you tell me about the fact that she`s going home for the holidays? Any suggestion she`s not coming back?
HELLING: Well, we don`t know, you know, what`s in her plans. But what friends are telling us and what sources are telling us is that she`s finally had enough. And one thing to keep in mind is that her taking the kids to Sweden isn`t quite the same with the rest of us, if our spouses took the kids to Sweden. Tiger can fly over there any time. But the point is that she needs to be with her family and she needs to be with the people who love her and know her the best, and that`s going to be over there.
GRACE: And Steve, what can you tell me about a re-up on the prenup? All these lawyers have been coming on the show, saying, Oh, it`s an ironclad prenup. If it was so ironclad, they wouldn`t be re-upping it to the tune of up to $75 million. What do you know?
HELLING: Well, what I do know is that her friends -- and she has told her friends that this is really not about money, at this point. She`s going to be taken care of one way or the other and she`s going to have plenty of money one way or the other. What she`s trying to do right now is make sure that her kids are provided for, that they`re happy, that they`re healthy, and that they do get to have a relationship with both parents.
Whatever happens with the prenup and whatever the financial terms end up being aren`t as important to her as making sure that she`s taking care of those two little kids.
GRACE: Well, I`m pretty sure that $75 million ought to do it, Steve Helling from "People" magazine.
Out to our chief editorial producer. Everybody, we are taking your calls live. Ellie Jostad is with us. Ellie, reports surfacing -- I want to ask you about two things...
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: OK.
GRACE: ... number one, alleged monthly payments to these various women, some up to $20,000 a month, and two -- take this one first. And Ellie...
JOSTAD: OK.
GRACE: ... put on your mitt. It`s a hardball.
JOSTAD: All right. What do you know about Tiger Woods allegedly still in touch with mistress number one, Rachel Uchitel? Is he crazy?
JOSTAD: Well, Nancy, there is a report out there -- this is from "US Weekly," I believe -- that he has continued to send text messages to Rachel Uchitel. This is following the car crash, all of this coming to light.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`s behaving like a 13-year-old boy. This isn`t serial cheating, this is concurrent cheating. I think he splits off his wife, who`s the mother, and his sexual relationships with other women, and one has nothing to do with the other in his head, and therefore it`s OK.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, it`s -- it`s Tiger. I need you to do me a huge favor.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The investigation has determined that Mr. Woods is at fault in the crash.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you please take your name off your phone?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There were reports that there was a domestic dispute before Tiger Woods left his house.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My wife went through my phone and may be calling you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Elin had found Tiger`s phone, and on it she had seen text messages.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because she can, please take your name off that...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It wasn`t one woman. It wasn`t two. You know, we think the number has been up to 13.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... just have it as a number on the voicemail, just have it as your telephone number, OK?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I do not for one second believe he had real relationships with these women.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You got to do this for me. Huge. Quickly. All right, bye.
GRUBBS: I did put a lot of, you know, emotions into this and I did care very much for him. And when we were together, I mean, he did make me feel like I was the only girl.
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GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Out to Jennifer in Tennessee. Hi, Jennifer.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hey, Nancy. I`m your biggest fan. I want to thank you. I love your show.
GRACE: Jennifer, thank you for calling in and for watching. What is your question, dear?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, I don`t quite understand how he`s getting around the reports of the boozing, and he`s not being jailed or no charges are coming against him for that. And I know in the South, if it were us, we would be in jail.
GRACE: Man, you`re not kidding, Jennifer! You know, the other -- well, it wasn`t the other night, it was when I was still a prosecutor. That was years ago. I was coming home from an investigation in Atlanta. It was late at night. I had been talking to a witness, a piano teacher, until 11:00 o`clock at night. I was coming home, sitting at a stop sign. A cop -- I saw the blue light turn on behind me. He got me out of the car and made me take a breathalyzer. Needless to say, I passed. But long story short, I was sitting at a stop sign. I didn`t plow over a fire hydrant and a tree.
Out to the lawyers. Let`s unleash them, Raoul Felder, renowned celebrity divorce attorney, author of "Getting Away With Murder," Lauren Lake, defense attorney joining us tonight from Cincinnati, Ohio, and Alan Ripka, defense attorney, New York.
Raoul Felder, I know your expertise is divorce, prenups, the works. But what about it? I even have the document up here on my desk where cops asked for the blood results at the hospital and prosecutors refused to honor the subpoena.
RAOUL FELDER, CELEBRITY DIVORCE ATTORNEY: Well, that`s a no-no. Actually, I was a prosecutor before I got into this.
GRACE: Good to know. I thought, you know, you were born a divorce lawyer.
FELDER: No, no.
GRACE: I didn`t know that.
FELDER: I was born in the U.S. attorney`s office.
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FELDER: But you know, cops for various reasons just don`t pursue things. He`s a super-celebrity. Celebrities get a free ride in our society.
GRACE: You know, to me, it`s sickening. Lauren Lake, Alan Ripka, I`m a huge Tiger -- well, was a huge Tiger Woods fan, and I still admire his dedication to his sport. You know, all the hours -- I mean, he started when he was 2 or 3 years old learning the game of golf.
But I`ve got it right here where a cop asked permission to get the blood alcohol results from the hospital. And Lauren Lake, local prosecutors say no. You know darn well, Lauren Lake, if you got your car up on a fire hydrant and you were lying on the ground snoring beside the car, they would get your blood alcohol, Lauren Lake.
LAUREN LAKE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know what? Me? Probably.
GRACE: And then you`d be on the NANCY GRACE show!
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LAKE: Me, probably. But I will have to say there are benefits and burdens to being Tiger Woods. The burden, we`re still talking about him and we`re all up in his business. The benefit, maybe he got that benefit of the doubt that night, where at that moment, they didn`t feel that there was enough evidence to say that he was drinking or drunk, you know, anything like that. So unfortunately, it is what it is.
GRACE: So that`s your defense, It is what it is? You know, I don`t even know what that means. Ripka, try to do a little bit better.
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LAKE: That means -- that means we got to keep it real sometimes and understand that things don`t go any further...
GRACE: Alan Ripka...
LAKE: ... because people don`t want to take it any further.
GRACE: ... that doesn`t sound like you.
LAKE: No, it absolutely sounds like me!
GRACE: That sounds like Lauren Lake.
LAKE: That sounds like a great defense attorney...
GRACE: Alan...
LAKE: ... whose client...
GRACE: Alan Ripka...
LAKE: ... may have got away with being drunk.
ALAN RIPKA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy...
LAKE: He`s just got to be quiet.
GRACE: Come on, Ripka! Man up! Jump in!
RIPKA: Nancy, at the end of the day here, we know as a fact that he was hit in the mouth by his wife...
GRACE: I don`t know that.
RIPKA: Well, that`s what we believe happened. And as...
GRACE: Well, why did you say we know for a fact?
RIPKA: Well, there`s been reports that`s what happened.
GRACE: Reports. I`ve also got a report he was drunk. Does that mean he was drunk? No.
RIPKA: Well, there`s no reports that he was drunk. There was -- there was...
GRACE: So don`t say we know for fact if we don`t know for a fact.
RIPKA: Well, this is what we know from reports. We know, one, he got hit in the face. Two, we know he was on some sort of narcotic or painkiller. And that`s why...
GRACE: I don`t know that, either!
RIPKA: ... he was in the state -- well...
GRACE: Why did I go to you? You don`t know any of this!
RIPKA: Well, then, how do you know he was drunk? Why do you know he needed a DWI test? We don`t.
GRACE: Because I have right here the cops asking for the blood test that was taken at the hospital.
RIPKA: Not based on evidence.
GRACE: That`s how I know. But I know a blood test was taken. That`s the point. The prosecutors would not allow it to be subpoenaed.
OK, we`ll go back to the calls when we get back, but to tonight`s case alert, the search for a missing 4-year-old, Newburgh, New York, Marc Anthony Bookal vanishing from his own home December 14, the live-in baby- sitting the little boy when he goes missing without a trace, broad daylight. In the last hours, bloodhounds, state troopers, helicopters expand the search to the shores of the Hudson River. Little Marc, 3 feet, 42 pounds, brown hair, brown eyes, last seen wearing a red long-sleeved shirt, white sneakers, gray sweats. If you have info, call toll-free 800- 346-3543.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tiger Woods, the battered brand, the fallen superstar -- while his alleged mistresses continue to speak out and continue to pop up, his self-imposed seclusion continues. He`s on an indefinite leave from professional golf.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His wife and his two little children -- they`re the real victims in all of this.
GRACE: Elin Nordegren has closed on a family mansion in her homeland. Now we see boxes being loaded onto Woods`s multi-million-dollar yacht.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ve seen the wife out without him and without her wedding ring on.
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GRACE: Out to the lines. Melodie, Ohio. Hi, Melodie.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Merry Christmas to you and the twins.
GRACE: Melodie in Ohio, why does everybody just say "Happy holidays"? Why can`t anyone say "Merry Christmas"? I say "Merry Christmas." I say "Happy Hanukkah." I say it all. And I want to thank you, Melodie, for saying Merry Christmas. The children don`t quite get it yet, but they kind of get it. So we`re very excited. You couldn`t have told me four years ago I could be so happy. All that since you didn`t ask, Melodie!
Go ahead. What`s your question, dear?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK, Nancy. Is it known what type of underlying pain that Tiger was being prescribed this drug Vicodin for? And I know that the Ambien is used for insomnia. What would be the effects of this drug -- these two drugs on an individual? And with the Ambien being used for sleep, not sex, quote, unquote, "Ambien sex," sounds like we have the potential here for a little bit of...
GRACE: I`m sorry. I couldn`t hear the last part of your question. Go ahead quickly.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: With the Ambien being used for sleep, quote, unquote, he was known as having what was called the "Ambien sex." Sounds like we might have a bit of an issue of drug abuse going on here.
GRACE: Well, I tell you, I`ve heard those reports that he was using Ambien to enhance sex. I -- I -- there`s no way we can verify that. People are putting that out there. I don`t know where that`s coming from.
Caryn Stark, talk to me about her question. What do you think about the Ambien and the Vicodin?
CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, I don`t really believe, Nancy, that this has anything to do with sex. I think that the sex that was going on comes from his own desire and his own need to pursue the sex.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s bigger than golf. Bigger than sports, really. He is a brand. Now Tiger Woods is stepping away from the sport that made him the first billion-dollar athlete.
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: He`s admitted to transgressions and infidelity. He`s also asking business partners for understanding.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Accenture is the first to end its business relationship with Tiger.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: They`re probably thinking we want a pitch man who stands for something we`re proud of. Right now Tiger Woods stands for infidelity, adultery. Can you blame them for dumping them?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: These are people who don`t like to be duped or surprised. And here they are looking at Tiger now, the charade.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We really don`t know what the future is going to be for Tiger as a brand, as a golf player, as a husband.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Corporate America world spends about $12 billion on endorsements.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everybody involved in golf could potentially lose hundreds of millions of dollars from their cash cow being missing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think the Tiger Woods act, you know, sort of leading for this indefinite, you know, period of time from golf gives them an out. At this point, they don`t have to put Tiger Woods front and center in their advertising campaign, certainly we`re not going to be seeing Tiger Woods in a lot of PSAs any time soon.
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: To Ellie Jostad, our chief editorial producer, what can you tell me about tell-all books currently in the works?
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Right. Well, "Life & Style` is reporting that Ian Halperin -- now that`s a guy who`s written books about Angelina Jolie, Michael Jackson, and others -- he says he was approached to write one. He`s too busy to do it.
But it`s his understanding that there could be at least three books in the works that`ll come out within the next six months.
GRACE: By who?
JOSTAD: Don`t know yet. One of them possibly Jamie Jungers, one of those alleged mistresses.
GRACE: Now, did she get an alleged payout?
JOSTAD: Well, no. Actually she is one of those who says she actually broke it off with Tiger Woods when she asked him for money. She said she was financially strapped, et cetera, et cetera. She asked him for help. He said no. And so she broke up with him.
GRACE: OK. Elizabeth, show me a shot of Jamie Jungers. I can`t keep them straight. I think they`re all Rachel Uchitel.
Joining me right now, a special guest, Mark Ebner. He is an author, a journalist, he wrote "Six Degrees of Paris Hilton." There is Jamie Jungers. That`s the one that broke up when Woods wouldn`t give her any money, when she was in a tight spot.
Mark Ebner, thank you for being with us. What do you make of these three tell-all books that are set to surface by three of these alleged mistresses? I think I`ve got Ebner on the line.
Mark Ebner, are you with me?
Liz, let me see if you can get back -- that line straightened out because I want to hear how much people will make off these tell-alls. To Alexis.
MARK EBNER, JOURNALIST, AUTHOR OF "SIX DEGREES OF PARIS HILTON" (via phone): Yes.
GRACE: Oh, is that Ebner? OK. Let me know when you get him.
To Alexis Tereszcuk with Radaronline.com. In addition, Alexis, to these tell-all books that are allegedly in the works, how much can a paparazzi or really anybody, me with my cell phone, can you get for a shot of say Tiger Woods with Elin Nordegren right now, say, having a candlelight dinner trying to make up?
ALEXIS TERESZCUK, REPORTER, RADAROLINE.COM: Nancy, the reports are out there that somebody that took his photo could get about $250,000, which is a huge amount of money. But imagine.
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GRACE: Did you say $250,000?
TERESZCUK: I did.
GRACE: OK. That`s enough to make you want to just leave your job and go hang from a tree by your ankle trying to get a shot. I mean, those -- their homes, their cars, their yacht must be totally staked out.
TERESZCUK: And imagine if the picture had Tiger Woods with scratches on his face or bruises or anything like that.
GRACE: A quarter million dollars for one photo. OK. I want to go back out to the lines.
Peter in North Carolina, hi, Peter.
PETER, CALLER FROM NORTH CAROLINA: Hi, Nancy. Thanks for taking my call.
GRACE: Thank you for calling in, dear. What`s your question?
PETER: OK. The first question is, I`m not sure that I know how a famous golfer like Tiger Woods, and as involved as he is and always a winner, how he didn`t have some kind of help.
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GRACE: You know what, Peter? I lost you for a second. How what?
PETER: He had to have some type of help to make this happen.
GRACE: You know what, Peter?
PETER: For him, of all this.
GRACE: You are right. It`s my understanding that he had a group of people that enables this. What can you tell me, Ellie Jostad?
JOSTAD: That`s right, Nancy. There are unconfirmed reports out there that the way this all worked is that Tiger Woods had a separate set of employees. These were long-term friends who would take care of things for him. Make arrangements for the women to travel to various locations and meet up with Tiger. Book them hotel rooms. That kind of thing.
GRACE: OK. I think I`ve got Mark Ebner, author of "Six Degrees of Paris Hilton." Author and journalist. Mark, Are you with me?
EBNER: I`m right here, Nancy.
GRACE: Hey, thank you for being with us. We were talking about three alleged mistresses set to write tell-all books. All right.
EBNER: Sure. And it just so happens, Nancy, that one of the madames, the self-proclaimed madame who`s been supplying -- allegedly supplying women to Tiger Woods, she appears in "Six Degrees in Paris Hilton." I`ve written about her extensively.
She called me. And now we`re knocking around the idea of doing a book. And (INAUDIBLE) recession time, if the money is right, sure, I`ll do it. Let`s find out how some young Jewish girl from Bakersfield ended up being, you know, the biggest (INAUDIBLE) of all time.
GRACE: OK, let me just go on the record right now.
EBNER: That`s good.
GRACE: I don`t have one shred of information that any of these ladies are prostitute. We -- I don`t believe that for a minute. They all seem to have jobs being at a pancake house, at a New York nightclub, in Vegas. They all seem to have jobs.
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So any claim, you know -- these women.
EBNER: Sure, but if you make you can make $10,000 -- if you can make $10,000, $20,000 on a weekend doing a fling with Tiger Woods or, you know, some other celebrity, do you think a cocktail waitress is going to say no to that? I think not, Nancy.
GRACE: I think that not just a cocktail waitress but a lot of lawyers and doctors and Indian chiefs might do it as well. $20,000 for one night.
EBNER: Sure.
GRACE: . is a whole lot of money. But what I want to talk to you about is how fast can you put together one of these tell-all books?
EBNER: Well, OK, as a rule I don`t generally do them. But I tell you this, it would be real easy. I`d sit down with this madame and I would roll tape for hours and hours and hours.
GRACE: I`m not talking about any madame. I`m talking about some of these alleged mistresses that claim to have had an affair with Woods.
EBNER: Well, what they would do is, you know, a writer would sit down with them, roll tape, and get their story. Get every last detail and find out what other clients she had, as a matter of fact. Because if she`s rolling with Tiger, she`s rolling with other big people in the sports and entertainment world.
You can be sure you get that all in the book. You turn it around to your publisher. It goes through a First Amendment lawyer who line edit the damn thing and then you crash it out for a summer read. I mean these -- probably you`re better off talking to a guy like me and Halperin and yourself like that or James Parish or -- you know, a writer who shoots things out.
GRACE: OK. What we`re talking about is people making quick bucks off the Tiger Woods scenario.
Out to Mary in Georgia, hi, Mary.
MARY, CALLER FROM GEORGIA: Hi, Nancy. Merry Christmas to you and your beautiful angel babies.
GRACE: Thank you so much.
MARY: My -- yes. My question to your medical people, I guess, is I wonder if Elin had any STD test or anything because, you know, it`s not just 16 women that Tiger slept with that he`s bringing home to her, it`s all the men that they slept with.
GRACE: You know, that`s a really good point.
To Alexis Tereszcuk, what do we know about that, if anything?
TERESZCUK: We have not heard about Elin having any medical appointments with anybody. But the caller brings up a good point. I mean, absolutely this is a concern probably one of the main reasons that Elin has been packing up and that she`s definitely going to try to end things with Tiger.
GRACE: Right. I want to go quickly to Dr. Joshua Perper, the chief medical examiner in Broward County, author of "When to Call the Doctor." Dr. Perper, thank you for being with us tonight.
DR. JOSHUA PERPER, MEDICAL EXAMINER, AUTHOR OF "WHEN TO CALL THE DOCTOR": You`re welcome.
GRACE: There were allegations yesterday about Tiger Woods` doctor being under investigation for using the human growth hormone and getting it into the country and using it. There is absolutely no suggestion that Tiger Woods ever did that. In fact, the suggestion -- the facts are that he did not, but the doctor, however, is under investigation.
What is blood spinning or platelet-rich plasma therapy? What is it?
PERPER: OK. The platelets are very small fragments of cell in the blood which when seen at very high magnification under electron microscope look like chips of a cookie. Really like a cookie chip. And they contain substances which flow the blood and also substances which are very important in healing.
So what people do is that they take blood from the individual. They send it through the blood and they receive a high concentration of platelets which enhance healing.
GRACE: Very quickly to Steve Helling with "People" magazine. Steve, you have actually interviewed Woods on numerous occasions. What can you tell us about him? And you covered his wedding. Are you surprised about this turn of events?
STEVE HELLING, STAFF WRITER, PEOPLE MAGAZINE, HAS INTERVIEWED TIGER WOODS: Yes, I am. Because he`s always come across as a family man who loves his wife and kids. It`s been a surprise to all of us.
GRACE: Can that be true, Caryn Stark? Can he love his wife and kids but engage in all of these affairs?
CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: Absolutely, Nancy. He could love them and have a whole different personality when it comes to the other women. He lives two lives. He has this perfect him and then he has this rebellious boy.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jean Paul, your dad is here. I`m going to take to your dad, OK?
JEAN PAUL LACOMBE, 10 YEARS OLD: He`s not my dad. He`s not my dad.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your dad has a court order. Come on.
LACOMBE: No, no. He`s not my dad. He`s not my dad. Please help me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on. It`s alright.
LACOMBE: He`s not my dad. I don`t want to live with him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on. You`re going to have to get off the bus. Come on.
LACOMBE: No. I don`t want to live with him. No. No. No. No. Someone help me please. Someone help me please. Someone help me please. I want to stay with my mom. Please, please, please.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re going to work it out. Come on.
LACOMBE: No, no, no, no.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on. We`re going work it out. Come on.
(CROSSTALK)
LACOMBE: Don`t make me go.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re going to be OK. You`re going to alright.
LACOMBE: No, I don`t want to stay with him. I want to live with my mother.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: I can hardly stand to see that video. This child was literally dragged off a school bus by a kidnapper. To top it all off, the cops were in on it. It wasn`t their fault. The kidnapper produced fake court documents, child custody documents, giving him custody of this little boy.
Michael Board, the kidnapper is his father. He`s done this before. And last time he took the boy away for two years. Two years. Did you hear the boy screaming? "That`s not my daddy. I don`t want to go." Michael Board?
MICHAEL BOARD, REPORTER, WOAI NEWSRADIO (via phone): Nancy, just a complete and utter breakdown of the American judicial system. It`s proof that in America it`s too easy to lie to a judge and pervert the justice system if you know the loopholes.
The story of this, this is a Mexican man, he told a judge in San Antonio that his ex-wife had stole his child and then he gave the judge copies of Mexican legal certificates and these certificates, which were fakes, said that he was the legal guardian. These were complete fakes.
He gave it to a judge and the judge believed it. He ordered the child given up to his father, who did not have custody. The father, that beautiful little 10-year-old child, completely vanished, Nancy.
This is what`s going to make you sick. This man is a millionaire. He has all the money in the world. He thinks money can buy him whatever he wants. He could be anywhere in the world with this child right now.
GRACE: All I can say is he is one SOB. Tip line 201-335-6000. Please help us.
The last time -- out to you Clark Goldband, the last time he took the boy for two years. Where was he? Where did he hide out?
CLARK GOLDBAND, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Yes, Nancy. It`s our understanding he traveled from south of the border down in Mexico all the way over to France and in fact it was this treaty that the U.S. has with France that after two years a judge in France decided the child needs to go back to mom.
Mom moved up from south of the border here in the United States to Texas. She thought he would be safe.
GRACE: To Susan Reed, Bexar Country district attorney joining us from San Antonio, Texas.
Susan Reed, I know you must just be sick at your heart. Somebody shows up with court documents, they go before a judge. There was no real reason to disbelieve him. What do you make of it, Susan?
SUSAN REED, BEXAR COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY (via phone): Well, you know, it`s tricking -- trying to trick the court. And what he did was he actually had been at the very beginning of the divorce granted custody of the child but that changed and then the Mexican court awarded custody to the mother.
And he failed to tell the court that and that`s where the trickery really comes from is what we have alleged and what we perceive.
GRACE: Exactly.
REED: . as the enabling that he was doing with the court system.
GRACE: Exactly. Everyone with me, Susan Reed, Bexar County District Attorney`s Office in San Antonio, Texas. The documents he had were old and when he presented them as if they were legitimate, that turned them into fakes.
To Sergeant Scott Haines, sheriff`s officer in Santa Rosa County, Florida. Sergeant, you`re a cop. You just look at any document somebody gives you and go drag a kid off a school bus screaming, I`m not supposed to go with him?
SGT. SCOTT HAINES, SHERIFF`S OFFICER, SANTA ROSA COUNTY, FL.: Absolutely not. And this is very disturbing to me as well. We run into issues with custody issues a lot and for -- especially an out-of-country document to be introduced to the U.S. judicial system and be taken at face value without substantiating that is actually quite disturbing.
Usually they will go through a process of verifying that and making sure that it did come from a judge, making sure there are no other orders in effect that supersede that, and for something like this to happen and watch this kid just cry and cry and see that officer have to take him off the bus. I don`t blame the officer but there definitely was a breakdown in the court system.
GRACE: OK. You don`t know how much it pains me to hear this. But listen to this and you will see why I`m so disturbed about this child`s kidnap. Listen.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jean Paul, your dad`s here. I`m going to take you to your dad, OK?
LACOMBE: He`s not my dad. He`s not my dad.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your dad has a court order. Come on.
LACOMBE: No, no. He`s not my dad. He`s not my dad. Please help me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on. It`s alright.
LACOMBE: He`s not my dad. I don`t want to live with him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on. You`re going to have to get off the bus. Come on.
LACOMBE: No. I don`t want to live with him. No. No. No. No. Someone help me please. Someone help me please. Someone help me please. I want to stay with my mom. Please, please, please.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re going to work it out. Come on.
LACOMBE: No, no, no, no.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on. We`re going work it out. Come on.
(CROSSTALK)
LACOMBE: Don`t make me go.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re going to be OK. You`re going to be alright.
LACOMBE: No, I don`t want to stay with him. I want to live with my mother.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: I want to go out to Dr. Joshua Perper. Dr. Perper, is there any way to determine if there have been -- when we get this kid back, if there have been injuries to him? Say bruises are faded away, can you look at for instance an x-ray to see if this child had been abused, possibly broken fingers, hands, arms?
PERPER: If there`s evidence of abuse in the past, it can be shown if there are changes in the bone, what they call calluses which might indicate remote fracture. And that`s a marker for child abuse. But this child has been obviously psychologically abused and gained something which can be determined by a psychologist or a psychiatrist.
GRACE: Dr. Perper, I know you`ve seen a lot of sad stories as a medical examiner, but hearing this kid screaming and crying on the school bus is just killing me.
Everybody, as we go to break, Easter Seals and Megan`s House opened their doors to special needs children and their families. The program founded 2004, Albany, Georgia, by Carol and Wayne Holliman after the sudden death of their 14-year-old girl, Megan from a rare chromosome disorder.
Megan`s House provides round-the-clock medical care to children. A second location now open. Their dream, to open a third Megan`s House and move into a larger, better facility at the original location.
If you want to help, send to Easter Seals, Southern Georgia, 1906, Palmyra Road, Albany, Georgia, 31701. Or just call 229-439-7061.
There`s Megan.
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(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jean Paul, your dad`s here. I`m going to take to your dad, OK?
JEAN PAUL LACOMBE, 10 YEARS OLD: He`s not my dad. He`s not my dad.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your dad has a court order. Come on.
LACOMBE: No, no. He`s not my dad. He`s not my dad. Please help me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on. It`s alright.
LACOMBE: He`s not my dad. I don`t want to live with him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on. You`re going to have to get off the bus. Come on.
LACOMBE: No. I don`t want to live with him.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: That young boy kidnapped off of the school bus. Cops helped because of faked child custody documents.
Clark Goldband, what can you tell me about the child`s cell phone?
GOLDBAND: Just days after Jean Paul had been taken, Nancy, a cell phone arrived in the mail to Jean Paul`s mom. The only clue on that package was the postmark was from there in San Antonio. So it`s not clear where he may be. We know Jean Paul`s dad has gotten recently remarried. He could be all the way in Russia, that`s where his wife is from. Also reports may be down south of the border in Mexico.
GRACE: Look, did you say he was a multimillionaire?
GOLDBAND: Yes, Nancy, and certainly.
GRACE: The way to find a rich man is to follow the money. There will be a way to find him. He`s got all that money. Look at his accounts.
To Caryn Stark, psychologist, New York. Why doesn`t anybody listen to the child? He was telling police no, no, no.
STARK: It`s a 10-year-old boy, Nancy, who knows more than the people who are supposed to be protecting him. It doesn`t make any sense at all. Here`s a child. When you see a child react that way, something is very wrong. He`s even say this is not my father. We have to believe that something emotionally abusive has happened to him.
GRACE: Michael Board, why wasn`t he put in jail the first time he did this?
BOARD: Why wasn`t he put in jail the first time?
GRACE: Yes.
BOARD: It happened down in Mexico. And that`s the reason why the mother came here to San Antonio. She was trying to get away from this guy.
GRACE: Right.
BOARD: . because she knew it was going to happen again.
GRACE: Mexico, say no more.
Everyone, let`s stop and remember Navy Petty Officer Second Class Joseph Schwedler, 27, Crystal Falls, Michigan, killed Iraq. A Navy SEAL, left studies at Michigan State to enlist.
On a second tour, awarded the Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Global War on Terrorism Service Medal, Sea Service Deployment Ribbon. A natural leader. Had a smile that lit up a room, loved sports, outdoors, skiing, traveling, time with family and friends. Leaves behind parents Joseph and Susan, sister Kate, brother tom.
Joseph Schwedler, American hero.
Thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us. And thank you to South Carolina and Tennessee friends Martha and Cathy for, these prayer bears for the twins.
Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, God bless little Jean Paul who was lost to his mother tonight. Good night, friend.
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