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Late Night Lunacy; Sarah Palin on Fox; Joy`s Anatomy Series: Redux Of Guests Valerie Bertinelli, Mandy Moore, Jillian Michaels On Weight, Fitness, And Wellness
Aired January 15, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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JOY BEHAR, HLN HOST: Tonight on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, the Jay Leno versus Conan O`Brien mini series continues. Will this prove to be the highest rated show on NBC?
Then Tiger Woods is in sex rehab. Sarah Palin is on Fox News and I`m aroused (ph). And joining me in the studio to discuss love, life and lots more: the lovely and talented Mandy Moore.
All this starting now.
Okay, Conan says no way to NBC. Tiger could be hiding out in sex rehab. And Sarah Palin heads to Fox. Lots of lollipop news from this week to talk about.
So let`s get right to it with my guests: creative director of Barney, Simon Doonan; comedian, Jessica Kirson; and host of Cash Cab on the Discovery Channel, Ben Bailey.
Welcome.
Did I say Cash Calve?
BEN BAILEY, DISCOVERY CHANNEL HOST: Cow. Yes, it works.
BEHAR: Yes, I was thinking Cash Cow, you know.
All right, let`s talk about late night. Jay gets moved to 11:35. Conan says no to 12:05 and the jokes keep coming as all the late night hosts take jabs at each other. Take a look at this from David Letterman.
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DAVID LETTERMAN, CBS HOST: For years and years and years ago when they were having meetings about whether they were going to give "The Tonight Show" to Jay or they`re going to give it to me. And they had a big meeting in Burbank and Jay, bless his heart, was hiding in the closet. Do you remember that? Wasn`t that crazy?
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BEHAR: Ha, ha, ha. So the days nicey-nicey are over with these guys, right?
JESSICA KIRSON, COMEDIAN: yes.
BAILEY: I don`t know. I don`t think it`s the hosts so much. I think a few years ago when Conan was promised the show, that whole thing -- that was weird to me. You can`t promise a guy a show -- maybe Leno didn`t really want to leave, they just didn`t want Conan to go.
BEHAR: He didn`t want to leave.
BAILEY: Right, so they just didn`t want Conan to leave so they were like, how do we keep them both? And now they`re kind of paying the price for that. Guess what? Now you have two hosts and you only have one slot.
BEHAR: So planning ahead like that, five years ahead of time, isn`t that kind of stupid? You don`t know what`s going to happen in five years. Conan could have been the worst thing on television for all they knew; not that he is. He`s wonderful too.
They`re all very funny. It`s sort of sad.
But you think Letterman is a little bit bitter or is he enjoying this?
KIRSON: He`s enjoying it.
SIMON DOONAN, CREATIVE DIRECTOR, BARNEY`S: This is such a straight people`s obsession. Like if Chelsea Lately or you were in the equation, I could get all steamed up about it. But I`m sorry. They`re all arguing with each other, I can`t -- I just can`t get all riled up about it.
KIRSON: Yes, I agree with you. Who cares about Leno?
BAILEY: They`re arguing with each other.
BEHAR: Well, let`s pretend that we`re straight just for a second.
BAILEY: What should I do? I`ll be a lesbian for this part.
BEHAR: They`re sort of turning on Leno a little bit, I think, at this point anyway. I mean I think that he`s becoming the bad guy. But shouldn`t the head of the network really be the one to get blamed?
KIRSON: That`s what always happens. The parents never look at the bad guys that kids fight. They`re all making so much money, who cares? Honestly, it`s like I really don`t care about any of this. No offense.
BEHAR: Let`s move on to another subject then.
KIRSON: Thank god.
BEHAR: Let`s turn to my second favorite story this week, Tiger Woods. Don`t worry, he`s still missing although I don`t really know where he is. They say that he`s in a sex rehab clinic in Arizona.
KIRSON: I think he`s at the bunny ranch.
BEHAR: Oh, see, look how they came alive this time.
DOONAN: Yes, hello.
BAILEY: Yes, now you can get a say about that are you?
DOONAN: If I had to play golf, if you had to play golf, I`d be a sex- aholic, a shag-aholic, a food-aholic -- I`d be an aholicaholic. Golf is so boring; wouldn`t you just become like a lunatic?
BEHAR: I hate it.
BAILEY: I love golf.
KIRSON: Do you?
BAILEY: Yes. I love to play golf.
DOONAN: Are you a sex-aholic.
BAILEY: I`m not a sex-aholic. I`m a golf-aholic.
(CROSSTALK)
KIRSON: Lesbian`s love golf.
BEHAR: I`m curious, then...
BAILEY: My question is, what exactly is sex rehab? What`s going on there?
BEHAR: They`re trying to I guess channel his energy.
KIRSON: No, I think they`re removing his penis.
BAILEY: That seems extreme.
BEHAR: If he`s a sex addict, does that make all of the women that he`s involved with dealers? What do you think?
BAILEY: I don`t think he`s a sex addict. I don`t think Tiger is a sex addict.
BEHAR: What do you think because I had a guy on this week, my favorite, Stephen Smith, he`s a radio guy, and he says oh, please, he`s just a horny guy, he`s looking to get a little action and men will do it if the opportunity presents itself.
KIRSON: I totally agree.
BAILEY: Tiger was never the cool kid, right?
BEHAR: Tiger was no -- nerdy.
BAILEY: Tiger was just golf like -- he was nerdy, he had to be. Golf wasn`t even cool until after Tiger, right? So Tiger was not getting a lot of action growing up, right?
BEHAR: No.
BAILEY: So then all of a sudden he`s one of the most famous people in the world. He makes more money than pretty much everybody, right? Now he`s the cool guy. He fell in love with a beautiful girl early on when he first started getting some attention from the ladies.
After that, now he`s still going to get the attention from the ladies and he`s not used to that. He`s never had that. Now he`s got to deal with that and figure it out, you know.
BEHAR: But aren`t there guys who would turn that off -- not every guy is going to go for that. Just because...
(CROSSTALK)
BAILEY: No, no. I`m not saying that. I`m not condoning what he did, I`m just saying...
BEHAR: Yes, you are.
KIRSON: I think he`s very insecure.
BAILEY: No, I`m not, I`m not.
DOONAN: I think he`s irate and driven me bananas by have to play the most annoying game in the world, golf.
BAILEY: Golf`s a great game.
BEHAR: He loves the game.
DOONAN: Really? I thought it was really annoying. You see guys throwing their clubs into the lake and going bonkers.
BAILEY: That`s the boring part?
DOONAN: No, but I mean, It drives you nuts.
BAILEY: Golf clubs drive you nuts.
KIRSON: Ok, the both of you, stop talking.
I think, Joy, that he is -- I think that he is very insecure. And I think that he just needs a ton of attention from all these women, seriously.
(CROSSTALK)
KIRSON: What, yes, a couple of times. But that was just here on the show. But anyway, the point is that I really just think he`s insecure and I don`t think he`s a sex addict. I think a lot of guys...
BAILEY: I say there`s a way to go right now. If you`re a public figure and you get a DUI, oh, I have to go to rehab. So guess what? He got busted having these affairs, so that`s what you do. He`s trying to make the next step in order to keep some semblance of a career, I think.
BEHAR: Right, right. I mean, it`s a straight topic also, isn`t it? Tiger Woods?
KIRSON: It is. He has enough money.
(CROSSTALK)
DOONAN: He`s fabulously wealthy. Don`t you wake up in the night and think I`m so rich, I can eat anything I want, I can shag anything I want. Wouldn`t it make you feel like super uber entitled and you just call up hundreds of millions of hookers because you do all that work, you win all those games. There has to be a payoff.
KIRSON: That sounds so amazing.
BEHAR: Does it really?
BAILEY: Hundreds of millions of hookers?
KIRSON: Eat all night, call up hookers and shag.
DOONAN: What`s the point of being the guy who has everything ...
(CROSSTALK)
DOONAN: What`s the point of becoming fabulously wealthy?
KIRSON: You`re right.
BAILEY: If Tiger just used the word shag in a British accent he probably wouldn`t be in so much trouble.
BEHAR: It`s true. I`m marveling at that. You can just keep saying shag, shag, shag and nobody cuts you off. The FCC doesn`t care.
DOONAN: No.
BEHAR: But we know what it means. What about the implication?
DOONAN: You know, it`s a reward for a lot of time spent on the green.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: Ok, the last story tonight is Sarah Palin. Sarah Palin made her big debut on Fox news. What do you think, will she succeed at her new job? Let`s talk about Ms. Palin.
DOONAN: This is the role she was always meant for. This is when Faye Dunaway played "Mommy Dearest", the role she was always meant for. When Clark Gable played "Rhett Butler" the role of a lifetime -- the destiny of a...
BEHAR: I thought she was -- this is her destiny?
DOONAN: She was never destined to be vice president of the U.S. She was destined to be a snappy, sassy anchor on Fox.
KIRSON: But she can`t speak.
BEHAR: She can speak. She can speak.
KIRSON: I can`t stand her.
BEHAR: She speaks but she doesn`t necessarily put the words in the right order, but she speaks.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: No, her words are in a different order.
DOONAN: She puts o in front of everything. O Biden, O Behar. She would call you Joy O Behar -- she puts O in front of it -- did you read about that?
That`s why she said, "Can I call you Joe Biden because in the prep because in the she kept saying O Biden. She kept calling him O Biden, Obama. And they were saying you`ve got to stop saying that and she had this weird tick where she kept saying O Biden. So finally that`s where they...
BAILEY: They thought it was brilliant. Fox News was like this is great, we`ll mix up their names.
DOONAN: Because she`s going to put O in front of everything.
BEHAR: Is that so?
DOONAN: It was in that new book.
KIRSON: And she says -- she always says O God.
BEHAR: She does believe that God, you know, destined her to be asked to be vice president. That`s what she does.
KIRSON: Do you believe that.
BEHAR: A lot of people believe stuff like that. Like there`s -- God wanted her...
DOONAN: Like God is not busy with other stuff. He`s working on their career.
BEHAR: It`s so narcissistic in my opinion. Like only me is God looking at.
But what about the fact that people at Fox explained to her the difference between North and South Korea. That was in the book. Do you think that happened? Does that sound too crazy even for her? That she didn`t know there was a North and a South Korea.
KIRSON: No, I don`t think she knows a lot of things.
BEHAR: Ok. We have to go.
Thanks very much to my panel for being here. I wish I had better topics for you, but this is what we`ve got.
And if you`re in New York this weekend, go check out Ben Bailey performing at Comics on Friday and Sunday; a very funny club.
Up next, Suzanne Somers talk about the controversy surrounding her new book. Don`t miss it.
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BEHAR: All this week we`ve been focusing on health and body image in a segment called "Joy`s Anatomy". Actress Suzanne Somers joined me earlier to discuss her battle with cancer, along with doctors Julian Whitaker from the Whitaker Wellness Institute and Steven Lamm from NYU School of Medicine.
In Somers` controversial book "Knock Out" she speaks out against mainstream cancer treatments but some think her ideas do more harm than good. So I asked Suzanne why she wrote the book.
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SUZANNE SOMERS, AUTHOR, "KNOCK OUT": I was horribly misdiagnosed last November with lung cancer that metastasized throughout my entire body. And I was told over six days by six different doctors that unless I was open to taking full body chemo therapy that I should think about getting my things in order. It was quite a traumatic experience...
BEHAR: How is this possible for six doctors to misdiagnose you? What did it turn out to be?
SOMERS: It turned out to be something called coccidiomycosis (ph) which is a fungus that exists in the desert southwest and it lies dormant in most people there and something knocked out my immune system that just put me into the anaphylactic shock and into the emergency room.
And it reads like cancer on a cat scan. So they jumped to conclusions, thought it was cancer everywhere. The oncologist came in and said, you got cancer, everywhere.
BEHAR: That must have been a terrible time for you, the fear of that.
SOMERS: It was terrible.
BEHAR: I mean, that sounds just awful. But in 2001, you did have breast cancer.
SOMERS: I did.
BEHAR: Now, why do you think you got breast cancer? Because I think that you have this idea, which I read in your book, that there is a reason for it, because a lot of doctors could disagree with that.
SOMERS: Well, I`ve always thought of cancer as something that`s some invisible enemy out there. And I think that we`re more in charge of not getting cancer than we realize by eliminating toxins from our food and in our houses...
BEHAR: Right.
SOMERS: ... and eating organic food and sleeping and balancing your hormones with bio-identical hormones and managing stress. And I was on birth control pills for 22 years. Maybe, I don`t know. I mean, you connect dots. I didn`t have a healthy lifestyle.
BEHAR: You didn`t?
SOMERS: ... I eat a lot of...
BEHAR: You didn`t smoke?
SOMERS: I never smoked and never really drank either. It`s just that 22 or 23 years of television series and there`s the crap table and nice -- it`s really is a crap table and all of that stuff. I would just mindlessly eat.
So the reason I wrote this book is...
BEHAR: So you feel that you blame yourself for that?
SOMERS: I`ve, no, I don`t blame myself. It`s just that after I was diagnosed I thought what have I done in my diet and lifestyle that I played host to this terrible disease. And from this moment on, I`m not going to do that anymore. And so I changed my diet. I eat a perfectly healthy diet. I avoid chemicals.
BEHAR: Right.
SOMERS: I live a green life and I eat real food, if you can stick it, pluck it, milk it or shoot it I eat it.
BEHAR: I know somebody who doesn`t eat or anything that has a face.
SOMERS: Well, I think you need protein though. But there`s some faces I would rather not eat.
BEHAR: And some people don`t want to eat anything that has a mother. That was another thing, yes.
SOMERS: Well and then there`s those people but I think we need protein, I just want it to be organic. So I -- when I...
BEHAR: Did they cure you with chemo therapy? The breast cancer?
SOMERS: No, I didn`t take it -- I didn`t take it either time.
BEHAR: What did you get? Radiation?
SOMERS: I didn`t take either time, because in looking into cancer and the dismal results of the cancer protocol, the death rate has only dropped by five percent in the last 55 years and that chemo really only works for three kinds of cancers, testicular, childhood leukemia, some lymphoma including non Hodgkin`s and I see all these people and I dedicated my book to the people I know and loved.
And you know so many of them -- Farrah`s in there, I started with Farrah, who died from chemo therapy over the last years that I was writing this book. And I came to the conclusion that it`s not working. And nobody wants to say it.
BEHAR: Ok, let me ask you, Dr. Lamm, because she`s saying -- Suzanne is saying that it only works for -- what did you the three diseases?
SOMERS: Testicular, childhood leukemia and non-Hodgkin`s and some lymphoma.
BEHAR: For that chemo works, is that what you say?
SOMERS: They`re having success, yes, not always, but they`re having success...
BEHAR: Do you agree with that?
DR. STEVEN LAMM, NEW YORK SCHOOL OF MEDICINE: Not completely, no. I think that the diseases that she mentioned, chemo therapy does work. But I think that chemo therapy has been working, not necessarily curing but certainly prolonging life for many other cancers.
And I think that we certainly need to do a lot better. And I think that when you look at the reports from the National Cancer Institute and if you want to believe them and I do, it appears as though we are doing better. We are reducing the mortality from some of these cancers.
BEHAR: Let me ask Dr. Whitaker. Ok, wait a second...
SOMERS: All right.
BEHAR: Let me just ask Dr. Whitaker, are we doing better with cancer rates, Dr. Whitaker?
DR. JULIAN WHITAKER, WHITAKER, WELLNESS INSTITUTE: I don`t think so at all. I think if we look at our treatment of cancer today, we are following the paradigm that was laid down by William Halstead back in the 1800s and that is the way to treat cancer is to purge the body of the cancer cells, war on cancer.
So you go on with surgery, you go in with cellular poison which is chemo therapy and you go in with radiation therapy. Now, granted some of these cancers do respond and people get better and they live longer. But the idea of increasing survival two to three years, you know, over what we might suspect it would be is wrong.
The paradigm we should be using for cancer would be to stop the undisciplined cell division. All cancers have that. Chemo therapy is like if your child has a sore throat infection in the throat, you go in and cut it out and poison it, you know and then radiate it. You know I don`t want to be over graphic...
BEHAR: So you`re saying it`s excessive? It`s excessive treatment? What do you say Dr. Lamm?
LAMM: Well, here`s a story, look, cancer is a multi-system complex disorder involving your genes, involving the cells and to make blanket statements about a process that we are actually just starting to learn about now, which is what causes cancer, is I think just an exaggerated thing.
We have to be very careful not to attribute, you know, all cancers coming from the gut as, you know, or all diseases coming from the gut as is mentioned in the book.
We have to be careful not to say that all cancers are somehow...
BEHAR: Right.
LAMM: ...hormonally mediated. Where do we get those kinds of science?
BEHAR: Well, that makes sense, doesn`t it, Suzanne?
LAMM: ... you know making -- making sense and being the reality is two different things. It`s not going to make sense...
SOMERS: But with all due respect, with the dismal results of chemotherapy and you know so many people have died -- it`s a horrible death and I and particularly with pancreatic cancer, which I have three different doctors in "Knock Out" who say we all know in the oncology world that chemotherapy does absolutely nothing whatsoever for it...
BEHAR: So why do they give it?
SOMERS: If you have pancreatic cancer and they said, we`re going to put you on chemotherapy but you saw this book and I said, "Before you do that, before you get all messed up on chemical poisoning and radiation, would you like to look into these doctors?"
There`s more than Dr. Burzynski in there who are having success. Because I didn`t just take the words of these doctors, I interviewed so many other patients.
BEHAR: You know, one of my doctors, I said to him does acupuncture help you to lose weight and he said, "If it worked there would be an acupuncturist on every corner."
SOMERS: Right.
BEHAR: And I say unto you the same thing...
SOMERS: Right.
BEHAR: If this worked, if this guy can cure brain cancer in children I`m sure that the medical establishment would be right on it.
SOMERS: But he is curing children.
WHITAKER: But he is doing it.
SOMERS: He is doing it.
BEHAR: There`s nobody from the AMA going there to find out?
SOMERS: You have to understand that our medical schools are pharmaceutically funded, our government bureaucrats are pharmaceutically funded. You`ve got to connect the dots. I know if I had cancer, I`d sure try alternative first. If not...
BEHAR: First. That`s the discussion when we come back in just a minute because that`s a question.
SOMERS: Right.
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BEHAR: We`re back with actress Suzanne Somers and Drs. Julian Whitaker and Steven Lamm continuing the debate of how best to treat cancer.
In the last segment you were saying that if someone came to you with cancer, you would say to them to try the alternative therapies first and then the usual thing, which would be chemo and radiation.
SOMERS: I wouldn`t say try -- what I would do is if it were me, I would try alternative first.
WHITAKER: Investigate.
BEHAR: But isn`t time of the essence there in cancer?
SOMERS: And that`s a big fallacy, it`s all about rush, rush, rush. Cancer is slow growing. You have time.
BEHAR: Not always.
SOMERS: The two times I`ve been in the cancer diagnosis chair, they`ve wanted to start me that day. I`m just saying...
BEHAR: What about that? What about that?
SOMERS: Let me finish this thought. If you -- first, you`re all messed up on chemo and radiation, by the time so many people get to the alternative doctors -- like Farrah. Farrah called me last year and she said, "Do you know anything about German medicine?" She said I`ve had three rounds of grueling chemotherapy, 24 weeks and radiation, it`s back now with a vengeance. She went over there on her own to Germany.
BEHAR: She went to the alternative second.
SOMERS: Second.
BEHAR: So if it`s so great, why didn`t they cure her?
SOMERS: Here is the hitch. They took a chemo sensitivity test, which I talk about in "Knock Out", which who knew that they existed, they did a chemo sensitivity test on Farrah and found that those 24 weeks of chemo she had were absolutely ineffective. So you tell me what pulled the trigger.
LAMM: Look, there are -- we have a long way to go with cancer treatment, especially chemo. We`re getting better, no doubts about it. Ok.
However, we have to have an evidence basis for whatever we do. In other words, if you want to...
BEHAR: They`re saying that this Burzynski has it.
LAMM: Yes, but if he`s the only one who can reproduce his work, you know, we have problem.
(CROSSTALK)
LAMM: I hope he does a great job. I would be -- Dr. Whitaker, please, I would root for his treatment to work. I`m not rooting against him.
BEHAR: I think that most doctors would.
WHITAKER: Why don`t you go look at it, just go look at it, and then you tell me that it doesn`t work.
SOMERS: Right. That`s how I felt too. I was down there two weeks ago, I`ve been down there twice. It`s so impressive.
There`s another doctor here in New York, Dr. Gonzalez, who is doing incredible work, Dr. Whittaker out of Nevada. There`s pockets of doctors who have decided they can`t do it anymore. They have stepped out of the standard care box, and they get persecuted by the medical establishment for doing so.
It`s very hard in a hospital setting to go against standard of care. So those of us who want to go alternative, we`ve got to find it on our own. And that`s all I`m trying to do.
BEHAR: Right.
SOMERS: I`m not trying to tell anybody what to do, they shouldn`t do...
BEHAR: I know, I hear you.
Dr. Lamm, do you think that these doctors, this Burzynski, do they lack credibility because the AMA and the FDA are not behind them?
LAMM: I think people lack credibility when there`s no evidence for their work.
BEHAR: He`s telling you to go there.
LAMM: I understand. I`m happy to. But you have to remember, this has been going on for many, many years. This is not a new thing. This has been going on since 1992 1993, 1995.
(CROSSTALK)
WHITAKER: Let me make a statement here. Dr. Burzynski patented all of his anti-neoplaston (Ph) therapies beginning in the early `80s. The National Cancer Institute visited him in the early `90s and saw that it worked. They then put a consultant in there and they actually patented all of Burzynski`s work under a different name and assigned it to HHS.
I have those patents. It is unbelievable.
SOMERS: And the FDA is in Burzynski`s office all the time.
LAMM: I would root for him to work, because I wish we did better with pancreatic and brain tumors but -- I`m skeptical.
(CROSSTALK)
BEHAR: You heard this discussion out there. So you decide for yourself. We`ll be back in a minute with my pal Valerie Bertinelli.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
(BEGIN COMMERCIAL CLIP)
VALERIE BERTINELLI, JENNY CRAIG SPOKESWOMAN: Summer used to mean covering up my body and dreading the walk to the pool. But with the help of my personal Jenny consultant, Cathy, I lost 40 pounds and I gained confidence.
I haven`t worn one of these in almost 30 years. Now nothing is stopping me from diving in this summer.
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BEHAR: It takes a lot of guts to go on TV in a skimpy suit like that. Then again, when you look that good, maybe it`s not that hard. That was actress, author, and Jenny Craig Spokeswoman Valerie Bertinelli.
Valerie joined me as part of "Joy`s Anatomy", and we discussed her book called "Finding It and Satisfying My Hunger: The Life Without Opening the Fridge."
I started with a harmless ice breaker about the book`s title.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
I loved the title because we did a thing on - can you get a close-up of her book here? Of the G-spot and I thought maybe you found it in this book?
VALERIE BERTINELLI, ACTRESS, AUTHOR: I don`t even know what a G-spot is. They just focused on two G-spots there. You moved the book away!
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: It`s way down further.
BERTINELLI: Oh, it is?
BEHAR: Further south. Yes, I don`t really know what it is either. I said, I didn`t have one. I don`t even know where to look.
BERTINELLI: I don`t know what a G-spot is. I know where some spots are that feel better than others.
BEHAR: That`s right. That`s all you need to know.
BERTINELLI: I`ve already embarrassed Tom. He is sitting backstage already embarrassed.
BEHAR: Your husband?
BERTINELLI: Here we go again.
No, my spousal equivalent.
BEHAR: Oh, that`s right. That`s right.
Susan Sarandon and the husband, the boyfriend, Tim Robbins broke up, and they were not married and they were together for 20 something odd years. They had kids and everything. And now they broke up. I feel bad.
BERTINELLI: At least lawyers are not going to have to get involved.
BEHAR: That`s right. But you and I think like if we don`t get married, it will always -
BERTINELLI: It won`t change anything.
BEHAR: It will always stay great for the rest of our lives and here these two - you see?
BERTINELLI: Oh, well.
BEHAR: I feel bad about it.
BERTINELLI: I don`t care. I don`t know them.
BEHAR: I know, yeah, OK, right. I know them from "The View."
BERTINELLI: Oh, you do. You must have interviewed them.
BEHAR: I`ve interviewed them and they are very nice and I like their politics.
BERTINELLI: She`s gorgeous.
BEHAR: She is gorgeous.
Now, in the book "Finding Me --Finding It," whatever, "Finding It," you say forget the scale, the real change is happening inside. Not the inner beauty.
BERTINELLI: No, but the inside, because the inside is what made my outside so heavy.
BEHAR: Tell me, tell me how that went.
BERTINELLI: Because I`m an emotional eater. So I would use food to soothe all these emotions I wasn`t giving a voice to. So I started to give my emotions voices, my stressors voices, and just not eating it all and suppressing it as much as I do. So, it is a learning process.
BEHAR: You were an emotional eater.
BERTINELLI: I am.
BEHAR: You still are.
BERTINELLI: Uh-huh.
BEHAR: Do you eat out of boredom, our out anxiety? Which emotions trigger it.
BERTINELLI: I`m Italian, I eat period.
BEHAR: You`re saying it`s an emotion, which emotion is it?
BERTINELLI: All of them.
BEHAR: Oh, so all of them.
BERTINELLI: I`m happy, let`s eat. I`m sad, let`s eat. I cut my legs shaving, let`s eat.
BEHAR: OK, right.
BERTINELLI: So now I just eat, but smaller portions.
BEHAR: Yes.
BERTINELLI: And try not to use food as a crutch, and use food as nutrition. And that is the key.
BEHAR: And you`ve been doing very well.
BERTINELLI: Thank you. Working at it. It`s a daily process.
BEHAR: Dr. Mehmet Oz was on the show and he said it`s all about your waist.
BERTINELLI: Is it?
BEHAR: Yes.
BERTINELLI: Meaning?
BEHAR: Meaning that your waist has to be -- is this right, guys? Half of your height. If you`re 60 inches high, which would be five feet, then you have to be half of that, which would be two and a half feet.
BERTINELLI: Oh, I`m doing well. I`m less, I`m less.
BEHAR: So, 30 inches.
BERTINELLI: OK.
BEHAR: So he measured me and I almost had a heart attack. When he did it, I was right, I was 31 1/2. I haven`t been that happy since Nixon resigned.
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BEHAR: It was unbelievable. Now, Jenny Craig, you still on it?
BERTINELLI: Yeah.
BEHAR: You`re on maintenance, though.
BERTINELLI: That was very Larry King-ish.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Wasn`t it?
BERTINELLI: You still on it?
BEHAR: You still on it? Your right.
Tell me how you go through a day. Because women who are watching want to know exactly what you do in a day.
BERTINELLI: It changes every day.
BEHAR: Right.
BERTINELLI: Depending on -- well, right now I`m training for the Boston Marathon. For the Dana Farber Cancer Institute. You can go to my web site, Valeriebertinelli.com.
BEHAR: They are putting it under us.
BERTINELLI: Are we going to put it under, OK. Because I want people to contribute to the Dana Farber Cancer Institute and I don`t know how they can do it,. But they can go to my website and they figure it out, because I can`t.
Because I`m training, I have a different kind of training schedule. So I`m eating a little differently. I am still on my Jenny food. I really like it because it is portion controlled. I know what I am getting. I know how many calories I`m getting. How much fiber it just makes it easier for me.
BEHAR: Right.
BERTINELLI: Especially when I`m training. So, I eat the food.
BEHAR: OK, I have two questions. Number one, why are you running 26 miles, are you nuts?
BERTINELLI: 26.2. Yes, I`m nuts. But other than that it is because I need a goal and I`m not going to get in a bikini again. Well, maybe I`ll get in a bikini again, but it is winter right now. It is 22 degrees, so I`m not going to do it.
BEHAR: Pretty hard (ph).
BERTINELLI: I know. Because I need something to focus on that`s not just about the food and, you know, and I how I`m behaving today. I need something else, a goal. So it`s the marathon this time.
BEHAR: All right. That is one question. The other question is a lot of people get food sent to them now. There are a lot of different companies that do this now. What happens when you have to go off the --
BERTINELLI: Jenny Craig does that, too.
BEHAR: Yes, I know. I was on there, too.
BERTINELLI: OK. It is good stuff.
BEHAR: I lost 30 pounds. I gained a little back, though, and I`m sort of trying to knock it off a little, which is not easy to do. Because that is why I want to talk about that
BERTINELLI: When you have two pans of lasagna in your freezer.
BEHAR: Yes, I do have two pans of lasagna in my freezer.
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BEHAR: I`m going to bring them and get everybody fat.
BERTINELLI: There you go.
BEHAR: But when you have a food delivered, you don`t really learn to eat.
BERTINELLI: That`s where the consultant comes in. That is what I love about my consultant. I mean, it is like a built-in best friend. If I have questions, come on, we know how to diet. I know how to diet. I`ve been doing it my whole life, it seems. You just need someone to lean on and someone that is going to be a cheerleader, kind of pull you back, rein you in, and that is the key.
BEHAR: You need a buddy of a sort. When you were in your 20s, you were 98 pounds. What was that about?
BERTINELLI: For a split second.
BEHAR: Oh, I thought maybe you had a little anorexia bout.
BERTINELLI: I did. Well, cocaine-induced anorexia I guess you can call it. So I got down to 98 pounds.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Oh, the old cocaine-induced anorexia.
BERTINELLI: You know, God bless my husband, back then, he said, you know this isn`t sexy. I can feel the bones.
BEHAR: Eddie Van Halen?
BERTINELLI: Ed.
BEHAR: Eddie Van Halen.
BERTINELLI: Yes, who has since remarried.
BEHAR: He has?
BERTINELLI: Lovely lady.
BEHAR: Well, we are happy for him.
BERTINELLI: Yes.
BEHAR: We are.
Here`s another question from Dr. Oz that was interesting. See, I love to talk about weight. He says that it takes two weeks to rewire your brain and get you into a new habit. That`s interesting.
BERTINELLI: I beg to differ. He would know better, he`s been to medical school. But I`m three years into this diet almost, and I`m still rewiring my brain. I think I had so many habits that slowly need -- I thought that it was 28 days, by the way, that you start to change a habit.
BEHAR: No, that`s your period, every 28 days.
BERTINELLI: Maybe your period.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Not necessarily mine. ` BERTINELLI: Mine has been a little crazy these days.
BEHAR: But 28 days you read that someplace?
BERTINELLI: I read to break a habit. Isn`t that why they had Alcoholics Anonymous, or any kind of place, that you go? Or that could be just because it is four weeks?
BEHAR: You`re thinking of that movie with Sandra Bullock "28 Days." Where she goes into detox.
BERTINELLI: Right! Right!
BEHAR: For rehab.
BERTINELLI: But I thought that it was 28 days to really start to break a habit.
BEHAR: OK.
BERTINELLI: I think it`s a little longer. Because I think these habits that I`ve ingrained. I can only speak for myself, I have engrained in myself, for so many years. And the way I emotionally eat. I have to constantly stay vigilant and really think about what I`m doing. Why am I putting it in my mouth, if it is not just hunger?
BEHAR: Right. Do you ever binge?
BERTINELLI: Not like I used to. I might even start and I`ll find myself in that habit, and go whoa, whoa. This isn`t good. Because I don`t feel that emotionally when I do it either.
BEHAR: You feel bad, you feel guilty, you feel yucky.
BERTINELLI: Yes.
BEHAR: But while you`re eating it, you feel fantastic.
BERTINELLI: I used to feel fantastic. These days if I find myself starting to go into that, I don`t. Luckily that`s been something that I - a habit that has changed in the last three years for me.
BEHAR: What about, like I don`t understand bulimia at all. To me it is like, it was fun going down.
BERTINELLI: I may have thrown up when I got drunk.
BEHAR: I mean, it`s disgusting.
BERTINELLI: Yes.
BEHAR: I don`t even like when you`re laughing and the grilled cheese would go through your nose. Remember when you were in junior high school? I don`t know how anybody could be bulimic. That`s over my head.
(LAUGHTER)
BERTINELLI: I would agree with you.
BEHAR: Now, last week I was watching what I was eating.
BERTINELLI: OK?
BEHAR: I got on the scales this morning and I was a half pound - I really watched. Only a half pound lighter.
BERTINELLI: Did you move your body?
BEHAR: Oh, I thought you were
(LAUGHTER)
BERTINELLI: I mean, you have to also move your body.
BEHAR: Well, I do 25 minutes a week, exercising. Serious. That`s what I do.
BERTINELLI: OK. You walk from this studio to your other studio.
BEHAR: I really don`t do a lot of exercise. So that is the key?
BERTINELLI: I really believe that`s key. Especially at our age, we need to --
BEHAR: I am much older than you, but when I was on Jenny Craig, Valerie, I didn`t do that much exercise and I still lost, because the caloric --
BERTINELLI: Go on Jenny then.
BEHAR: I know maybe I`ll have to do it again.
BERTINELLI: Because sometimes we don`t know. I mean, we see think there is a certain amount of calories in a food, and it`s really not true. You might be saying -- what might be a 500 calorie meal is maybe even 1,000 or 1,100 calories meal and we think we have taken in only 500.
BEHAR: You know now that they`re posting the calorie intake at Duncan Donuts and places like that.
BERTINELLI: Isn`t that great. I love that.
BEHAR: Everybody is traumatized.
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BEHAR: It is always a pleasure having my pal Val on.
Up next, the beautiful Mandy Moore. Stay right there.
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(BEGIN MOVIE CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You don`t know the first thing about being someone`s friend.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t want to just be your friend.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You don`t know what you want.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Neither do you. You may be just too scared that someone might want to be with you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why would that scare me?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because then you wouldn`t be able to hide behind your books or your frickin` telescope. You know the real reason why you`re scared? Because you want to be with me, too.
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BEHAR: Oh, you were a child.
That was the versatile Mandy Moore in her breakout film "A Walk To Remember." Now the actress, singer and fashion designer is vowing not to be consumed by work, and to make 2010 a healthier year, starting with dusting off the exercise equipment in her house.
Mandy Moore joins me as part of our week-long series, "Joy`s Anatomy."
Welcome, Mandy, to the show.
MANDY MOORE, ACTRESS: Thank you very much.
BEHAR: How old were you that?
MOORE: Uh, 16. Yeah, it was a while ago.
BEHAR: I barely recognize you. You grew up.
MOORE: Me, too.
BEHAR: You`re on the cover of this month`s "Shape" magazine.
MOORE: Yes.
BEHAR: Yes. And you look gorgeous. There it is. You`ve been very vocal about not being a size zero. You look like a size zero to me.
MOORE: Me? No, no, not at all.
BEHAR: No?
MOORE: I think I err on the other side of the scale in terms of like what is the norm in Hollywood. And I`ve always been kind of comfortable to represent that side.
BEHAR: My God, how much thinner do they want you to get? You are so thin? Do you work out a lot?
MOORE: No, not really. I`m kind of lazy. So if I need to for something, I`ll do it.
BEHAR: Like on a scale of zero to I would like to set my hair on fire, how much do you hate exercise?
MOORE: Setting my hair on fire? Burning my hair probably, somewhere in the middle. It`s not my favorite thing, but I live in Los Angeles, so at least I have sort that outdoor activity aspect that makes it a little more tolerable.
BEHAR: It`s a felony to be fat there, any way.
MOORE: I didn`t know that.
BEHAR: Didn`t you know that? Yeah, it`s on the books.
Now, what happens when you go to photo shoots and you`re not a size zero? You say you are but --
MOORE: I`m not, I`m like a size six.
BEHAR: OK, I`ll take your word for it.
MOORE: I wouldn`t lie to you.
BEHAR: I mean, what do they do? Because maybe the sample sizes don`t fit you. You`re very tall, also, right?
MOORE: The sample sizes don`t fit me typically, so you sort of have to go in with the frame of mind that, OK, this could be one of those instances where they`ve completely ignored what size I am and they go ahead and bring in the samples any way. And you just sort of try finagle yourself into a pant leg, or something. But a lot of times they`ll be nice and they will have to sort of buy clothes, or borrow them from somewhere else that aren`t the hottest fashion.
BEHAR: They don`t just look at you and say hey, you`re too fat. They don`t say that?
MOORE: No, I mean, not to my face, perhaps.
BEHAR: They better not.
MOORE: Maybe they have behind my book.
BEHAR: You hit it big when you were a teenager as we saw in that film. Other girls don`t do as well as you. You seem to be doing pretty well. Britney and Lindsey, and those girls, I don`t know what it is, but they seem to get in trouble with the media. And their own lives, personal lives. Remember Britney with the putting the three-year-old to drive the car or something?
MOORE: Oh, goodness.
BEHAR: I mean, what was up with that?
MOORE: I mean, I feel lucky, because I`ve somehow always managed to escape that kind of scrutiny. Probably because I am fairly boring. I just don`t engage in that kind of behavior. I don`t really go out. And now I`m married and just --
BEHAR: You`re an old married woman.
MOORE: I`m an old married broad, so there`s nothing exciting to report on or write about.
BEHAR: You just got married right?
MOORE: I did.
BEHAR: To Ryan Adams.
MOORE: Yes.
BEHAR: Right? And they used to be in the tabloids with some of your romantic links. I have a list here. Andy Roderick (ph), Wilma Volderama (ph) and Zach Brash (ph).
MOORE: Goodness gracious!
BEHAR: How come you didn`t marry Wilma Volderama, he`s a knockout.
MOORE: I was 16 when we dated so that wasn`t really an option.
BEHAR: His name alone gets me excited.
MOORE: I`ll have to introduce you guys.
BEHAR: I`ve met him. You got married last year to the singer, Ryan Adams.
MOORE: I did, yes.
BEHAR: Did you ever get in the tabloids about that?
MOORE: No, no. Once people just initially report on the fact that you`re with someone, they get past that and there`s nothing else to say. We stay home. It`s pretty boring.
BEHAR: The subject I want to talk to you about is not a boring subject, it is an important subject about cervical cancer awareness. So, tell me about that. I know that you`re involved in the charity.
MOORE: I am. January is Cervical Cancer Awareness Month and I teamed up with GCS and GSK, to sort of bring awareness to cervical. I think like a lot of other young women, there was a lot I didn`t know. It`s the second leading cause of cancer death of women in their 20s and 30s.
BEHAR: Really?
MOORE: Yeah, second leading cause of cancer death, which was sort of a mind boggling statistic to me. I felt an obligation to sort of step up to the plate and use this platform to help spread the word that it is a preventable cancer, and encourage young women to take control of their health and talk to their doctor.
BEHAR: There is now the HPV vaccine, which they give to young girls. Is it routine now to give these young kids, how old are they when they start them on that?
MOORE: Good question.
BEHAR: 11, 12, I think.
MOORE: Yeah.
BEHAR: There was a big hoopla around it that it would -because it`s a sexually transmitted sort of thing, they didn`t want to give it to these young girls because they thought it would encourage them to have sex, which is so ridiculous in my opinion.
MOORE: Sure.
BEHAR: It is like saying that, you know, if I give you the polio shot it is going to encourage you to get polio. It is crazy.
So, you were telling me off camera, before that, you can take this inoculation up to around the age 25?
MOORE: I believe so. I am not a doctor, so I can`t speak specifically about it, but we do have a web site, that women can check out; which is cervicalcancercampaign.org/realitycheck. All of the facts are on there so women can read up about it.
BEHAR: It`s a very good thing you`re working with, I think. You`re a very nice girl.
MOORE: Thank you very much.
BEHAR: What`s next for you?
MOORE: Just, I`m actually the voice of Rapunzel in the new Disney film. I`ve been working on that for the last couple of months.
BEHAR: I always wanted to be the voice of Rapunzel.
MOORE: You did?
BEHAR: I`ve always wanted to be the hair of Rapunzel.
MOORE: Me, too.
BEHAR: Just pull me out the window.
Thanks so much for being here, Mandy.
MOORE: Thank you for having me.
BEHAR: We`ll be back in a bit.
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BEHAR: Earlier this week I sat down with Jillian Michaels. Start trainer from "The Biggest Loser". She`s getting a new show called "Losing It With Jillian." I asked her how it will be different from the "The Biggest Loser".
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JILLIAN MICHAELS, AUTHOR, "MASTER YOUR METABOLISM": Well, "The Biggest Loser", ultimately, is a game show. And "Losing It" is, you know, I move in with a family for seven days. It is not necessarily teaching people how to be thin, it is teaching people how to live a healthy live.
So, I move in with them. Give them the tools to communicate with their kids better, be role models for their family, fall back in love again, obviously get their health back in line, get off their medications. And we leave, for hopefully three months. I`m having this conversation right now with the network. Come back, check on the family and see where they are at.
Are the kids grades doing - you know, are the kids doing better in school? Are parents going on dates again? Have they lost 50 pounds? Is there cholesterol significantly lower?
BEHAR: So you are moving with these people? You are moving into their houses, with them?
MICHAELS: I am moving in, yes, with families across the country, for better or worse. And I think that just alone is a show in itself, really, so --
BEHAR: You also wrote a book called "Mastering Your Metabolism" which I assume has a lot to do with exercise.
MICHAELS: No.
BEHAR: Working out for me, is not good. I don`t like it. What should I do?
MICHAELS: No, this is actually a diet book. And it has nothing to do with exercise. I am always an advocate, but at the end of the day, if you`re eating right, then exercise is part of a healthy lifestyle, it`s preventive medicine. But I actually believe diet play a bigger role, not only in weight control, but in overall wellness, anti-aging, immunity, prevention. It`s a diet book.
BEHAR: So how much exercise does one really have to do then, in that case, to maintain a healthy life and a healthy weight? Give me a number.
MICHAELS: In reality, I haven`t been to the gym in about a month. I`m working 15 hour --
BEHAR: Really?
MICHAELS: No, I`m working 15-hour days right now. I`m being honest with you.
I lead a very active lifestyle. I`m on my feet all day long training contestants, or traveling from one place to another. I calculate my calories. I`m probably burning 1800 calories a day and I`m probably eating 1800 a day of-quality foods. I manage my weight just fine.
BEHAR: That`s good.
MICHAELS: In fact, I am lower body fat than ever. I`m thinner than I usually am. I`m like 114 and I`m usually 120. So, of course, exercise is very, very important. But if you don`t have the time to get to the gym with a healthy diet you can manage your weight and your overall wellness. That is something that is incredibly critical that you lock down.
BEHAR: Europeans don`t really go to the gym or any of that. They just walk everywhere. I think if you just walk and move around a lot, you`re probably in pretty good shape.
Who is the celebrity that you`re going to be training? Do we know? Is there celebrity training coming up? That you`d like to train?
MICHAELS: Oh, gosh, who would I like to train?
BEHAR: How about Oprah? Oprah, she is --
MICHAELS: Oprah? I think if I trained Oprah, I would probably never work again. I think she would have me shipped off and I would never be heard from again. I don`t think Oprah would appreciate my methods very much.
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BEHAR: Thanks to all of my guests this week, and thank you for watching. Good night, everybody.
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