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Nancy Grace
Dalia Dippolito Steamy Text Messages to Lover Released
Aired May 12, 2010 - 20:00 ET
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PAT LALAMA, GUEST HOST: Breaking news tonight. A Florida beach beauty marries her dream man, but what the 26-year-old bride doesn`t plan on is the hitman she hires to murder her new husband is a cop. The informant who alerts police? It`s her secret lover. Tonight, we obtain hundreds of secret, intimate text messages between the newlywed bride and another lover. And it`s all within days of the bride`s hitman-for-hire murder plot.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking news in the stunning case of a Florida beach beauty accused of hiring a hitman to kill her hubby of six months.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: By the time you get back from the gym, you will find two things, a dead body in the house, all right, or nothing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just released, nearly 50 pages of graphic text messages prosecutors say were exchanged between accused murder-for-hire bride Dalia Dippolito and her alleged lover.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "LOL. Nice. You`re great. Thanks for everything. So do you approve of my boobs?"
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Need another look and touch, LOL, ah, yes."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "They look awesome, don`t they? I love them. And now they`re all yours."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The steamy messages taking place just days before she`s set up by police.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I want to feel you in me."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Ouch."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "What? LOL. Are you speechless? Do you want my hot, tight body all over you? The sooner he gets jammed up, the sooner we can be in paradise island, baby. I thought of a way to get him to sign over the house to me."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "LOL, so did I."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... and secret videotaped breaking down into hysterics at the news her husband`s dead, only to discover he`s alive and well.
DALIA DIPPOLITO, ACCUSED OF HIRING HITMAN TO KILL HUSBAND: Oh, my God!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He`s alive.
DALIA DIPPOLITO: Come here, please. Come here. Mike, come here. Come here, please! Come here.
(CROSSTALK)
DALIA DIPPOLITO: Why not? (INAUDIBLE) Mike, come here, please! Come here.
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LALAMA: Good evening. I`m Pat Lalama, in for Nancy Grace. Breaking news tonight. She marries her dream man, all set to live happily ever after, but what the 26-year-old bride she doesn`t plan on is the hitman she hires is a cop. Tonight, the stunning text messages between the newlywed bride and a secret lover.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking news, newlywed bride Dalia Dippolito caught on tape.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) change your mind (INAUDIBLE) change your mind (INAUDIBLE)
DALIA DIPPOLITO: No, there`s no changing. No, there is no, like...
(CROSSTALK)
DALIA DIPPOLITO: I`m positive, like, 5,000 percent sure.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And on text message.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I miss you kissing me. It was amazing. Love you so much. I`m so horny for you. Want you in me, baby."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Ouch. Ouch. Love me, want me, and in you in the same sentence. Wow!"
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police say hundreds of intimate exchanges with her alleged secret lover were sent in the days leading up to a botched murder for hire hit on her new husband.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "What were you thinking when you saw me naked? Be honest."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "And this is really happening? You shocked me."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In the texts, Dippolito allegedly tells her secret lover she needs a way to get rid of her husband, proposing freezing his assets and having him arrested.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Baby, we need to make this happen with his arrest by the weekend. I need to be with you. Hate being away from you. You could call the Treasury Department and pretend to be him and pay them using his checking account number and wipe him clean."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Only problem?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re going to jail for solicitation of first degree murder of your husband. What do you want to do?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Florida beach beauty becomes the one facing years behind bars.
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LALAMA: Well, it seems like these text messages a combination of hormone-infused verbal, I want your body, you`re so hot, transactions and, How are we going to get my husband in trouble," right?
Susan Spencer-Wendel, reporter, "Palm Beach Post" -- my favorite one was, Dalia, I`ve always wanted you -- to- have you as my unicorn. How romantic, huh?
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SUSAN SPENCER-WENDEL, "PALM BEACH POST": Yes. And she responds, And you, my anchor in my life.
LALAMA: Right.
SPENCER-WENDEL: Yes.
LALAMA: So where did this all come from? How did these texts come about suddenly?
SPENCER-WENDEL: Well, various media made requests of the Palm Beach County state attorney`s office for the release of all discovery, all evidence in the Dippolito case. And so these text messages were released as part of that request, 49 pages of text messages between a number associated with Ms. Dippolito and a number associated with her alleged lover.
LALAMA: Ellie Jostad, NANCY GRACE producer, this takes a little bit of going back. We need to refresh...
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Right.
LALAMA: ... ourselves about this case because Dalia -- why don`t you just tell us the story, and then we`ll bring us back up to the texts that we have.
JOSTAD: OK. OK, Pat. Well, in a nutshell, here`s what police say happened. They say that they were approached by someone who is believed to be a former lover of Dalia Dippolito -- by the way, not the same alleged lover who she`s sending text messages with, a different guy.
LALAMA: Right.
JOSTAD: He calls police. He says a friend of his wants to have her husband killed. So police set up a sting. What they do is, they tell this guy to go meet with her again. They wire him so they have this all on tape. She gives the guy $1,200 supposedly so this hitman he`s going to procure can buy a gun.
Later, she meets with the person she thinks is the hitman. Of course, it`s actually an undercover Boynton Beach police officer. But here`s the really interesting part of it. A few days later, they tell her -- the hitman tells her the hit is going to go down. She agrees to get herself out of the house. They get -- the police actually get the husband out of the house, too. They tell him what`s going on. And they actually set up a sting. They made the house look like a crime scene.
When Dalia Dippolito gets home from the gym, they tell her that her husband has been murdered. She breaks down in hysterics. You see it there on tape, crying, just beside herself with grief at the fact that her husband has now been killed. However, now she is charged with solicitation to commit murder.
LALAMA: All right. Now, this new -- the revelation of all the texts -- this is yet another guy. So just to refresh the viewer...
JOSTAD: Right.
LALAMA: ... We`ve got one guy she already knew, and she calls him up and says, I want to kill my husband, or something like that. He goes to the cops.
JOSTAD: Right.
LALAMA: The cops set her up, and then there`s a sting. Now, this is a whole new guy named Michael Stanley, the one she`s texting.
JOSTAD: Right.
LALAMA: Jason Brodie and Josh Friedman (ph), you are divorce and fraud attorneys for Michael Dippolito. Is this yet another sock in the gut to your client?
JASON BRODIE, DIVORCE AND FRAUD ATTORNEY FOR MICHAEL DIPPOLITO: Well, Michael was devastated originally when he found out that his wife had hired somebody to try and kill him, and this puts more salt into the wound. He had no idea that this was going on. He was looking to live with this woman happily ever after and have a family. Now he finds out that she was trying to have a baby with somebody else. He`s just devastated.
LALAMA: But Michael Sapraicone, former NYPD detective and president of Squad Security Inc., I mean, come on! The whole -- first of all, here`s what I`d like to ask you. What kind of people go right to the cops? A lot of people think it might be so easy to hire a hitman. It`s not that simple, right?
MICHAEL SAPRAICONE, FMR. NYPD DETECTIVE: ... a person who went to the police may have had some -- he may be an informant for the police on other things and he went right away to his friends and said, Hey, guys, I know something else. Maybe he`s working off some time. Maybe he`s looking to get a better sentence, he`s looking to cop a plea for something else. So those are sometimes how the cops get involved with those type of people.
LALAMA: But does it usually work out that well for them...
SAPRAICONE: Sometimes it really does.
LALAMA: ... with the cops?
SAPRAICONE: Sometimes it does work out this well. There are several other cases going around in the country with very similar things right now.
LALAMA: Susan Moss, family law attorney and child advocate, this is a woman who allegedly tried twice before to get rid of this guy, right? Once, I`m told, the would-be killers ran off with her money, and the second, she fed antifreeze to Michael. You think he`d get a clue?
SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: I love the fact that she hired a cop to give her hubby a pop. I mean, there`s no wiggle room. She`s going down and she`s going down big. There is so much evidence. And these text messages are just more cream to lead to even stronger conviction. She`s looking at some amazing time. I just can`t believe that she is still out on home arrest. Why isn`t she in a jail, locked up? There is no ambiguity in this case. There`s no wiggle room. There certainly is no reasonable doubt. Why is she out of jail right no?
LALAMA: Well, Jason Oshins, defense attorney, that`s a really good question. It seems to me if there`s any woman who`s going to want to get the hell out of town -- excuse my lingo -- it would be her because she appears to be a master manipulator. Why is she sticking around?
JASON OSHINS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, listen, you know, it`s a great misnomer, what the use of bail is. I mean, bail is not a prosecutorial tool to punish people before an actual trial. You`re presumed innocent before guilty. Bail`s purpose is to ensure that you return to court on your appointed date. So the issue for bail is -- listen, the judge -- no priors, she has no prior record. You`re innocent before guilty. She`s staying at home. She`s confined. He doesn`t consider her a risk in any way.
LALAMA: Well, but Bradford Cohen, I mean, I think -- it seems to me that she`s the best person to be a flight risk, no?
BRADFORD COHEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, you know, you have to look at different -- different things that are going on in the case. Number one is she doesn`t have any priors. She probably doesn`t have the means to escape. She might have -- very well have good ties to the community. Things of that nature all come into play when you`re looking at bail.
In fact, there was a case just that happened on about May 6th. It was a $20,000 bail, same sort of scenario, where a woman was setting up her sister with a murder-for-hire plot. And that was in Virginia, I believe. So bail is not unusual in these type of cases. It`s given in these type of cases. Sometimes it`s not as low as this. But don`t forget also she`s on a GPS monitor. She`s not going very far.
LALAMA: Yes, technology has definitely hurt her big in this case. Do we have time to hear one of the texts, another one of the text communications? Go ahead.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Sorry. Wish we were together. I`m thinking of you."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Me, too. I want you and Hank. LOL. I want to feel you in me."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Ouch."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "What? LOL. Are you speechless? Do you want my hot, tight body all over you?"
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Yes, but the reality is having you. Have a nice night, babe."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "What you said was beautiful. I started crying. You`re the man of my dreams, my Prince Charming."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "You still don`t know how much I love you. Promise. I swear, give me a chance."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I think now we`re closer than ever. Do you agree?"
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Yes, I do agree. We`re better. Maybe it had to happen. I`m sorry."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Me, too. Real sorry. You`re my everything forever."
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LALAMA: All right, Susan Spencer-Wendel, reporter, "Palm Beach Post," who is Michael Stanley? Where did he come from all of a sudden?
SPENCER-WENDEL: Not precisely sure, but someone she had been previously involved in. He has -- you know, possibly in California, possibly in New Jersey. She had lived in California. Or possibly someone she knew from her business as a professional escort.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "(INAUDIBLE) his file and ask them if they would freeze his account. He has over $100,000."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "OK."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "202-622-2000, Department of Treasury."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Is the bank account in his name?"
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "In the company name, Mad Media. But he`s the account holder. Bank of America."
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "for sure. Like I said, the drugs have to be in the car or house. I want you. I`m so horny for you. My life is blah without you. It has been for a long time. Baby, we need to pull this off by the weekend. I hate my life without you."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I have held on for you. We`re meant to be. I`m not whole without you. I was really hoping you would miss me."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So I just want to make sure that, you know, this is what you wanted. All right? So you`re sure you want to kill this dude?
DALIA DIPPOLITO: Do we really have to...
NANCY GRACE, HOST: OK, she`s walking out. She`s gotten the call at the LA Fitness Center to come home immediately. OK, look at the other cops. This is what I like. They all know he`s not dead. Oh, God! No! No!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you know who this guy is?
DALIA DIPPOLITO: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`ve never seen him before?
DALIA DIPPOLITO: I`ve never seen him before, ever.
GRACE: OK, it`s about time she should bend over with abdominal pains. She`s about to collapse out of grief.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I love you. Think about how we can pull this off and we`ll strategize tomorrow. Do you think we can handle it this week?"
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "As long as we come up with something, sure, that would be awesome."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I love you. Together we can do anything. We just need to be smart. I need to make sure he does serious time."
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LALAMA: I`m Pat Lalama, in for Nancy Grace. She could come out here to Los Angeles and give some actors and actresses some lessons, Ellie Jostad, I think, NANCY GRACE producer. She was an escort, correct? And she must be one heck of an escort because she`s got men doing her bidding for her, that`s for sure.
JOSTAD: Right. And actually, police say that`s not only the way that she met her husband, Michael Dippolito, but that`s also how she met this guy Michael Stanley that she`s exchanging the text messages with. Now, the husband had told us originally that he met her at Starbucks, but the truth of the matter is, he hired her as an escort. She, I believe, came to his office. And then after that, they started dating, got married shortly thereafter.
LALAMA: Brenda in Utah, are you with me? I know you have a question.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, I am.
LALAMA: Go ahead. What is it?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. I was just wondering, since she actually didn`t get to do what she wanted to do, she didn`t actually get him murdered, what`s the least amount of time and the most amount of time that she can get for being convicted of attempted murder in the state of Florida?
LALAMA: Well, Susan Moss, family law attorney, I think it`s in this case solicitation. Life?
MOSS: It`s a felony. She could get life. I mean, she could be out much, much earlier than that. And the fact that they have not put her in jail right now means that she may get some sympathy.
But I disagree what was said earlier. She does have a past. She was a professional escort. And we know she`s stupid. The fact that she was caught with so many ways trying to hurt this man, kill her husband, means she is a danger to society and she should not be out loose!
LALAMA: All right, well, you know, I want to go to Caryn Stark, psychologist, because there`s some -- you know, if you`re into the kind of -- let`s look into the mind of a person who would do this -- what`s wrong with this woman?
CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: She`s a chameleon. That`s why she can pretend that she`s crying. I don`t think that she has any genuine feelings, no conscience, for sure. And she`s very narcissistic. So I suspect that each man that comes along is going to be her dream man, and then six months later, she wants him dead or out of her -- you notice that she doesn`t want to get divorced. She wants him killed, or maybe arrested.
LALAMA: You know -- well, it`s interesting, Jason Brodie, who is the divorce and fraud attorney for Michael Dippolito. You know, one guy, she`s talking about having him murdered, but with the second guy, you don`t hear anything about killing. You just hear, Let`s set him up, let`s get his money, let`s get his house. What do you -- and do you intend to retaliate legally somehow against her?
BRODIE: Well, everything that you`re talking about in the text messages is in our petition for dissolution of marriage. And we`re alleging that the whole marriage was an absolute fraud and it was nothing more than that. And she tried different ways to get his money, get his home. When none of that worked, she resorted to the last part which we all know about, and that`s to try and hire somebody to kill him.
LALAMA: Josh Friedman, very, very quickly, does your client love this woman?
JOSH FRIEDMAN, DIVORCE AND FRAUD ATTORNEY FOR MICHAEL DIPPOLITO: Our client right now is devastated with what he`s learning. I think it`s very difficult for someone to love someone who we read about wanting to take your assets and basically marry you for your assets, for your house, for your money.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "You promise you only want me all over you. I`m the only one who knows you and Hank, all your wants and needs."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Dalia, I only want you. I promise it is the only way I would really be happy is with you."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I trust you with everything. No more secrets."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Thank you, baby. You can and you should. I promise. I love you."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I know you do."
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Really. LOL. I miss you."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I`m glad. Miss you."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Happy to hear that. I`m smiling. Soulmates."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Wow. I want you."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Just know no one has ever made me feel the way you have. You always spoiled and romanced me, and I loved it."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I was truly in love with you. So crazy about you. And have never felt that before or after you."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Thank God for that."
(END VIDEO CLIP)
LALAMA: I`m Pat Lalama, in for Nancy Grace. I want to go to Caryn Stark very quickly. Caryn, most likely, she doesn`t love this guy more than she loved her husband, correct?
STARK: She`s not capable of love. We`re talking about somebody who sort of lives in a delusional world. So she thinks she`s going to love everybody and they`re going to rescue her. But this is not a person who has real feelings. She was an escort -- you know, one man or the next man. She`s able to detach very easily.
LALAMA: I want to get Leigh Vinocur, M.D., University of Maryland School of Medicine. You know, she allegedly tried to poison her husband with antifreeze. What`s that likely to do to one`s body? Because apparently, he was sick and was sick for a while after he sipped it.
DR. LEIGH VINOCUR, UNIV. OF MARYLAND SCHOOL OF MEDICINE: Yes, I mean, it`s not the most toxic of poisons to choose, but it slowly poisons your kidneys. You form -- when you break down the antifreeze, first you act drunk initially and you`re not sure what`s going on. But it`s very sweet- tasting, so a lot of times, people can detect that there`s something sweet. And then what happens is glycolic acid, which is the breakdown product of ethylene glycol, that poisons your kidneys. And essentially, you need dialysis. And sometimes it`s only temporary that you need the dialysis. Sometimes, if you -- it`s a very severe poisoning, you might have irreparable damage to your kidneys.
LALAMA: Jason Brodie, divorce attorney for Michael Dippolito -- gee whiz, after that, he didn`t think, I might not be living with such a great woman? Or did he figure he might have other enemies? It never dawned on him.
BRODIE: None of this dawned on him until after the fact. Obviously, if it had, he wouldn`t have been put in the position he was.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I just want to make sure that, you know, this is what you want. All right? (INAUDIBLE)
DALIA DIPPOLITO: Do we really have to -- you know, I would rather be as less, you know, whatever with you.
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DALIA DIPPOLITO, ALLEGEDLY HIRED HIT MAN TO KILL HUSBAND: No. No.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Twenty-six-year-old Dalia Dippolito try to pay a hit man $3,000 to kill her husband.
DIPPOLITO: There`s no like -- I`m determined already.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: It turns out that hit man was an undercover police officer tipped off by a confidential informant.
DIPPOLITO: I didn`t do anything. We need to strategize -- and I didn`t plot anything. And we need to make this happen.
MICHAEL DIPPOLITO, DALIA DIPPOLITO`S HUSBAND: I over looked a lot of things.
DIPPOLITO: Do you approve of my boobs?
M. DIPPOLITO: You know, you try and look -- see the best in people.
DIPPOLITO: Next we need to figure out his account.
M. DIPPOLITO: It`s 10:50. I should be -- should have been dead at like 9.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: "I`m not going change my mind."
DIPPOLITO: I`m positive.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: "I`m 5,000 percent sure."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Saying she`s 5,000 percent sure.
DIPPOLITO: Five thousand percent sure.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: "I want it done."
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She has been dealing with an undercover police officer posing as a hit man.
UNIDENTIFIED POLICE: Your husband is well and alive.
DIPPOLITO: Thank God.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I love you. Think about how we can pull this off."
DIPPOLITO: I invoke my right to remain silent.
(END OF VIDEO CLIP)
PAT LALAMA, GUEST HOST: I`m Pat Lalama in for Nancy Grace. So the first guy goes right to the cops. So that`s done. Now she`s dealing with some other guy.
Apparently, though, Susan Spencer-Wendel, reporter, "Palm Beach Post", not talking to him about murdering her husband, but trying to take his money and calling the Department of Treasury and defrauding him, correct?
SUSAN SPENCER-WENDEL, CRIMINAL COURTS REPORTER, PALM BEACH POST: Correct. In the text messages, it`s largely about urging him to call the Department of Treasury. Can you imagine? Calling the Department of Treasury. And ways for him to violate his probation.
Viewers might remember Michael Dippolito is on probation. He will be on probation for a very long time, having gone to prison. And Miss Dippolito and her alleged lover plotted in the text messages how to get him arrested for violating that probation.
Where to plant the drugs, what kind of felony would be the best kind of felony to violate his probation and send him to prison for a long time. But they never expressly, expressly talked about killing him.
LALAMA: Right. And Michael Sapraicone, former NYPD detective, that`s still a crime, is it not? What could he ultimately be charged with?
MICHAEL SAPRAICONE, FMR. NYPD DETECTIVE PRESIDENT OF SQUAD SECURITY INC.: Well, I guess he could be charged in aiding and abetting, I guess, in the crime. He`s part of the crime. You don`t have to be the person who pulled the trigger to be charged with the crime.
LALAMA: Right.
SAPRAICONE: So he would probably charged with the attempted murder also. I don`t know -- I`m not sure what you`re leading here, Pat. Is this person Stanley -- is he the first guy she contacts or is this -- she starts off at this point, looking to try to get money and find out she can`t get the money and can`t gain the assets, and then she turns to the lover for the homicide?
LALAMA: And that`s a really good question. Jason Oshins, defense attorney, we`re trying to find some sort of chronology here. It`s all happening about the same time. Do you get the sense that she`s given up on murder here and would that be maybe a defense?
JASON OSHINS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You know, it`s interesting, Pat, that you raised that because we sort of giggle in her attempts ever so slightly to try and, you know, kill this man. Not that there`s anything that`s not serious about it.
But it`s interesting, almost comical the way she approaches everything. I mean certainly as Caryn Stark said, this is someone who`s lost, almost childish in being wrapped up in these fantasies of removing him. She`ll almost try anything and anyway way to do it. So I think --
LALAMA: Well --
OSHINS: Somewhere within there is that element of trying to get her off in this in defense.
LALAMA: Well, Bradford Cohen, would you use that as oh, she`s just a very immature little girl and she doesn`t really know what she`s doing here?
BRADFORD COHEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No, that`s a moronic defense. I think the better defense might be an entrapment defense. I think the first one -- I think we learned a very valuable lesson is not to marry an escort. I think that`s very important.
But besides that, you know, what we`re looking at in terms of these texts going back and forth, she was -- the legality of whether or not to call the IRS on him because he owes the IRS 300 grand and she`s saying he`s hiding money, that in itself is not a crime.
The part where she wants to plant dope on him, that would be a crime. But it`s interesting the timeline -- and you hit on something very crucial to the defense. The timeline of when she was saying these things as opposed to when all of a sudden she switched it to a murder plot.
That`s why there might be some sort of entrapment thing because we don`t know what she originally said to that next lover who then went to the cops and said, hey, she wants to murder her husband.
Who knows what went on between those two because, you know, we don`t know if those were tape recorded conversations. But certainly the conversation with the officer in terms of what she wants to do, that`s not good for the defense. We can all agree to that.
LALAMA: Susan Moss, want to weigh in on that?
SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY & CHILD ADVOCATE: I love this woman. It`s south Florida. How did she get her hands on so much antifreeze? I mean each time she goes after this guy, she uses a much more moronic way about her.
She`s going down. Being stupid or being childish is not a defense. She`s going to go to jail. She`s going down big. And she`s going to see some real time if the people of south Florida understand how dangerous this is and this guy really could be dead right now.
LALAMA: Yes, and you know, and I`m going to get to the timeline issue in a second, but, you know, Brad -- Bradford brought up a great thing. Don`t marry an escort.
Caryn Stark, I`ve seen this so many times. Men, men, men, are you that weak that an escort could drive you to dump your wife, marry her within a couple of months, and think you`re going to live happily ever after?
CARYN STARK, PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, that`s their fantasy, right? Sex is very, very powerful, Pat. But you don`t marry an escort because it`s somebody who is really capable of being with so many different people.
You have to suspect that there`s a part of feelings that are being cut off. That this is a person that you`re not going to be able to rely on. There`s not going to be any "Pretty Woman" scenario where she sees the light and she becomes a whole different person and, you know, the wonderful wife and mother. She is who she is.
LALAMA: You know, we have so many wonderful callers who`ve been waiting patiently. So I want to know if Diana from Washington is still with us. Diana?
DIANA, CALLER FROM WASHINGTON: Yes, hi.
LALAMA: Hi. Your question, please.
DIANA: Yes, thanks for taking my call. First, I have a statement. I have never and my -- I have a long history of law enforcement in my -- you know, my family. And I have never heard or seen anything quite like this. And it`s appalling. I mean this woman is so vain.
And the question is she has been and allegedly broke -- well, allegedly, it`s right there in black and white. She has, you know, done so many things and tried so many ways to get rid of her own husband, even to get him, you know, what is --
LALAMA: So what would you like to know?
DIANA: Well, why isn`t she being -- you know, isn`t this conspiracy to commit murder? Why isn`t she getting the book on her? Why is she out of jail? This is just appalling to me.
LALAMA: Right. It`s a good question. But the law is the law.
Jason Oshins, as you mentioned before, the judge has deemed that she`s not a flight risk and there`s no history and -- you know, so he`s letting her stay at home, correct?
OSHINS: Yes, that`s it. I mean, you know, you analyze the facts as a judge before you, and you determine, you know, just as you said, those basic elements. And she`s confined to home. God bless for technology that we can keep track of people.
But, you know, who`s the danger to? It`s not society. It`s really Mr. Dippolito himself. And so if she`s confined there and they can monitor her, you know, that was that judge`s decision. That`s the discretion of the justice.
LALAMA: Jason Brodie, I understand that there was an appeal or petition to the court to stop the divorce proceedings because somehow it was getting in the way of the criminal investigation? Where does that stand?
JASON BRODIE, DIVORCE & FRAUD ATTY. FOR MICHAEL DIPPOLITO, WIFE ALLEGEDLY ATTEMPTED HIS MURDER VIA HIT-MAN: That`s correct. We are handling the divorce case and from the State Attorney`s Office we were told that our discovery in our divorce case was interfering with the ongoing criminal investigation in this matter.
And no way did we want to interfere with that case, so we approached the judge in the divorce case and asked him to stay the case. He did so for a period of 60 days. And it`s going to be revisited. That 60-day period runs in the next week or so.
LALAMA: OK. And Josh Friedman, I take it he does want to get a divorce. Please don`t tell me he wants to stay married to this woman.
JOSH FRIEDMAN, DIVORCE & FRAUD ATTY. FOR MICHAEL DIPPOLITO, WIFE ALLEGEDLY ATTEMPTED HIS MURDER VIA HIT-MAN: At the end of the day, he does want to get divorced. There`s no question the marriage is irretrievably broken. There`s no question about that at all.
LALAMA: OK. Ellie Jostad, you were going to explain for us a timeline. We`re all wondering here because it seems that the text messages with Michael are around the same time that she`s dealing with the potential hit man. What`s the story?
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Right. Well, Pat, the text messages that we have access to run from July 16th through July 29th. Now that confidential informant went to police on July 31st and said that a friend of his was trying to have her husband killed.
So it actually sounds like this alleged plot to get his money, to get him in trouble, to plant drugs on him, maybe that came first, and then she allegedly tried to move on to this murder-for-hire plot.
LALAMA: OK. Michael Sapraicone, former NYPD detective, president, Squad Security, Inc. What`s the motivation generally to hire a hit man? Is it usually greed? What are the reasons?
SAPRAICONE: Greed, hatred. There`s A lot of different reasons it could be. I think she probably just was looking for a way out, looking for the money and looking for an easy way to do it.
And, you know, Pat, talking about this entrapment if we could talk about that for a minute. I think it`s not really clear. Entrapment, and we`re talking about law enforcement, is the only -- one of the main element of entrapment is when I put something in your mind. And that`s not the case here. Nobody puts this in her mind.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "He`s so full of -- and ungrateful. Crying broke with 100,000 in the bank, a house, nice cars. So what if he`s on probation? He`s been on it for five years. He`s an ass."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For him not to realize he has the most amazing woman in the world. And with her support, he can do anything. He`s a --
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DIPPOLITO: I`m a lot tougher than what I look. I know you`re thinking, you`re like oh, what a cute little girl or whatever.
(LAUGHTER)
DIPPOLITO: You know, but I`m not.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That you are.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A stunning twist in the case against a newlywed bride accused of plotting her husband`s murder.
UNIDENTIFIED POLICE: You better quit your playing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sure you want to kill this dude?
DIPPOLITO: We planned on it already. I`m positive. Like 5,000 percent sure.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: After shocking police video of her meeting with and allegedly hiring a hit man to kill her new husband --
UNIDENTIFIED POLICE: Were you saying you`re 5,000 percent sure you want him dead? You think I made that up?
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Now hundreds of raunchy text messages emerge sent from Dalia Dippolito`s very own cell phone number, pining and professing her love for her alleged lover.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I miss you kissing me. It was amazing."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Oh, yes, wow, hey, just spoke to mom. She`s the best."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "I think now we`re closer than ever. Do you agree?"
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Yes, I do agree. We`re better. Maybe it had to happen. I`m sorry."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Me, too, real sorry. You`re my everything. Forever."
UNIDENTIFIED POLICE: We filmed everything that you did. We recorded everything that you did. You`re going to jail for solicitation of first- degree murder of your husband.
DIPPOLITO: I didn`t do anything.
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LALAMA: I`m Pat Lalama in for Nancy Grace. I want to ask Caryn Stark, psychologist, has she justified all of this in her mind? I mean does she really -- is there an entitlement here for whatever it is she`s doing because her life has to be the way she wants it?
STARK: That`s narcissism, Pat. You`re right. She`s just very narcissistic. And so when you see somebody like this, she sees the world as going around her. Consequences don`t mean anything. She also doesn`t seem to really be that brilliant. So she keeps making the same mistakes over and over again. There isn`t a concept here where she`s learning.
LALAMA: You know, Susan Moss, talking about intellect in these matters, I mean, come on. You`re texting. Call the Department of Treasury. Let`s get him. You know, pretty soon we`ll be in paradise.
Are people really that dumb? Is there something about greed and narcissism that you just forget you`ve got some brain cells or maybe she doesn`t have any?
MOSS: She makes us all look good to our mother-in-laws. Let me tell you something, being her prince charming is quite alarming. I mean this woman was going to stop at nothing.
She tried to get him planted with drugs to get him to violate his probation. She tried to get him in trouble with the IRS and the other taxing authorities. She tried to murder him by putting antifreeze in her Starbucks.
Well, I guess they canceled her Starbucks card.
And then the ultimate -- hiring a hit man. Man, she`s got to be taken out of society and for a long, long time.
LALAMA: We still have some callers. And I appreciate you being so patient. Felicia in Maryland. Are you with us?
FELICIA, CALLER FROM MARYLAND: Yes. Thank you for taking my call.
LALAMA: Pleasure.
FELICIA: I just wanted to know, for somebody who`s so narcissistic and thinks the world revolves around them, does her husband or did he know or have any idea what was going on or have they any have -- did they have any prior, I guess, marital issues or anybody talk to any of her old boyfriends or past relationships?
LALAMA: Well, Josh Friedman, it`s fair to say that they had a whirlwind situation. He did hire her and then left his wife and married her. They`d only been together for a few months. So he could not have known her very well, correct?
FRIEDMAN: When they -- when they met each other and started, you know, their relationship, they got along very well. They had a lot of things in common when they were speaking to one another. And things progressed rather quickly.
LALAMA: But I think the question is, I think I even read a quote from him on one of the television shows where he said he laid in bed one night and started to think something`s not right here. Can either of you address that?
BRODIE: That`s basically laid out what you guys have been talking about today. When you started talking about the issues that arose in talking about the text messages of the different ways she tried to do things, signals started popping up for him.
LALAMA: All right. And you know, I want to ask Michael Sapraicone. The issue of the text messaging, a lot of people just aren`t smart when they don`t take into consideration technology today. Do they not?
SAPRAICONE: They don`t. And it`s become such a great law enforcement tool that we have all this stuff right there at our finger tips. It is all forever. It`s no longer like we can take a piece of paper, rip it up and throw it away or shred it.
Everything is down and we can get it and the law enforcement can get it. And we use it and it`s going to stick. It`s unbelievable. It`s really helpful.
LALAMA: Susan Spencer-Wendel, reporter "Palm Beach Post," who is Dalia? I mean, we know she was an escort and apparently a failed real estate person. What is this woman`s story, briefly?
SPENCER-WENDEL: Well, her most recent profession being a professional escort. And you can see in these text messages that she is still receiving -- actively receiving messages from her escort clients.
Anyway, she grew up in Palm Beach County, Florida, went to high school here, traveled, lived in California. Had tried her hand at real estate. Did not fare well. And seemed to -- at one time, I believe, work in a massage parlor as well. And then turned to professional escorting.
LALAMA: Leigh Vinocur, M.D., University of Maryland School of Medicine, you know, it will be interesting to look into her past. Are we taking a big leap to think there`s probably some trauma there somewhere or am I sounding way too sympathetic?
DR. LEIGH VINOCUR, M.D., UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND SCHOOL OF MEDICINE: You know what? That`s very hard to say. But obviously the girl has problems. So you know we`ve heard that she`s narcissistic. There is -- might be something in her past.
But, you know, there`s plenty of abused children that go on to be very successful individuals in society. So --
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Baby, you`re everything I want and need. Do you feel the same?"
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "Yes, I love you, want you and need you."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: "Thank God. I`m so attracted to you, inside and out. It was great seeing Hank. What were you thinking when you saw me naked? Be honest."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "And this is really happening? You shocked me."
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LALAMA: Ellie Jostad, NANCY GRACE producer, there were in fact some drugs found in her husband`s car that we are presuming she had planted. What happened there?
JOSTAD: Right. Well, actually there were several previous incidents. There was a time that police called them -- said that they`ve gotten a complaint that someone named Mike -- we assume that means Michael Dippolito -- was selling steroids out of the house.
Another time that he and Dalia Dippolito were staying at the Ritz- Carlton, they came out to the car, there were police surrounding it. Again they said that they got an anonymous complaint about drugs.
Michael Dippolito also says one time he was filling up with gas, he opened up the fuel door and a bag of pills fell out. So there were several incidents before this where it appeared that somebody was trying to get him in trouble.
LALAMA: I know -- I believe we still have Rick on the line in Michigan. Rick, are you with us?
RICK, CALLER FROM MICHIGAN: Yes.
LALAMA: Hi, Rick. Your question? I`m well. Your question, please.
RICK: My question, I`m always just wondering. She sounds very, very professional as far as what she`s doing. I`m just wondering maybe -- if there`s maybe some past crimes when she lived in California where authorities might be looking at like unsolved murders?
LALAMA: Well, that`s a good question. Let`s take Bradford Cohen. There seems like a good chance there`s more history than we`re hearing.
COHEN: Maybe in crimes possibly, who knows? But in terms of hiring a hit man, it doesn`t seem like she has that much experience in hiring a hit man. It still shocks me to even hear that people think they can hire a hit man to go out and kill somebody for 1,000 bucks, 1200 bucks.
I mean the whole thing is preposterous. And to be quite honest with you, I don`t believe this is going to go to a trial. I think it`s going to be a plea. And I think that goes to everyone that`s involved in this case has skeletons in the closet.
You know Mike Dippolito is no angel himself, not to say that he deserves any of this whatsoever. But I`m sure there`s things in his past he doesn`t want to be brought up at the trial or possibly things that were going on during this period with the IRS, and transferring homes and things of that nature.
That he probably doesn`t want to be coming up in trial. So if it was me and I was his attorney, I`d probably think to myself, I don`t know if we want to go forward with this case to a trial or do we want to work out some kind of deal and tell the state we want to work out a deal?
But I don`t know. But I would guess that this isn`t going to go to a trial.
LALAMA: We shall see. Thank you all.
Tonight, let`s stop to remember Army Private Scott Miller, 20, from Casper, Wyoming, killed in Iraq. He was awarded the Congressional Medal, the country`s highest military award, the Bronze Star and Purple Heart.
A Wyoming cowboy who loved the outdoors. He dreamed of college and a career in wildlife management or being a firefighter.
He leaves behind parents Bob and Susie, brothers Mark and Paul.
Scott Miller, an American hero.
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