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Nancy Grace
Arrest Warrant Issued for Lindsay Lohan
Aired May 20, 2010 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. Will Hollywood superstar Lindsay Lohan`s string of wild, erratic behavior finally land her behind bars? After years of DUIs, alleged drug use, a judge set to bring down the hammer, sending her straight to jail if Lohan didn`t show up in court 08:00 this morning. Lohan in France for a star-studded Cannes Film Festival, claiming she lost her passport and blaming volcanic ash.
Bombshell tonight. Vegas odds right on the money, Lindsay Lohan missing her court date. While the trial judge lets loose on Lohan, as she should, Lohan not concerned, busted on camera in the wee hours. Lohan shows up in a micro-mini hot pant to party at a multi-million-dollar yacht on the French Riviera, not exactly the look the trial judge was hoping for.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As expected, a judge in LA issued a bench warrant for the arrest of actress Lindsay Lohan.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lohan still not in America but subject to immediate arrest soon as she arrives.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The fact is, she intended to be here today. She had a ticket to be here. Her passport was stolen.
JUDGE MARSHA REVEL, LOS ANGELES COUNTY SUPERIOR COURT: If she wanted to be here, it looks to the court that she could have been here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lohan was supposed to be at the hearing, a probation hearing, this morning in Los Angeles but she was a no-show because, her attorney says, someone took her passport.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She absolutely intended to be back.
REVEL: She was ordered to be here. She was ordered to be here at 8:30. She`s not here.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lohan said she got stuck in France promoting an upcoming movie during the Cannes film festival.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lindsay`s doing a movie. She`s an actress. It`s her job.
REVEL: There`s really no valid excuse. Probation is revoked.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lohan`s attorney says the actress is in what she called substantial compliance of the terms of her probation, including drug and alcohol treatment.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s done 10 of the 13 classes she was ordered to do.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She has this history of, from her prior alcohol program, not attending.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I used to be a public defender. She`s doing far better than most of my clients are doing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lohan`s final moments of freedom may be aboard her flight back to America.
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GRACE: And breaking news tonight, live, California. A tourist walking the San Francisco Bay scenic waterfront with his little niece gets to see the sights, all right. He spots a woman`s leg when he finds washed ashore a suitcase. Stuck inside, a young woman`s body. Tonight, who`s the woman in the suitcase?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking news. A tourist walking along the San Francisco waterfront makes a gruesome discovery.
GRACE: A tourist discovers there, along with his little niece, a suitcase. In the suitcase, a woman`s body stuffed inside.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It looked suspicious.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: His hunch was right. He called 911.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police say inside the suitcase was the body of a woman tucked in a fetal position.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It appears the body had been there less than two days.
GRACE: Who is the woman in this suitcase?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The body, curled in a fetal position, has been positively ID`d.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They have identified the body that was found as an African-American woman.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We know that the police are treating this as a homicide.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right now, we`re going to be looking at it as a homicide or a questionable death.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Still not saying it`s officially a homicide. They`re saying it`s a homicide or questionable death.
GRACE: I guess they`re suggesting she folded herself up in a suitcase? It`s a homicide!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Investigators say they are combing through missing persons cases to see if they can find a match with this victim.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As we go to air, police officially rule the death a homicide.
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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. Vegas odds right on the money, Lindsay Lohan missing her court date.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just moments ago, an LA judge issuing a warrant for Lindsay Lohan`s arrest.
REVEL: I couldn`t have been more clear about the priority of this case and getting things done.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lohan failing to show up at a court-ordered hearing to check up on her probation.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She needed to go there to promote the movie. Her passport was stolen. She absolutely intended to be back.
REVEL: She should have made sure that she either didn`t go to Cannes, or if she went there, she was back two days early.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now Lohan subject to an immediate arrest.
REVEL: The court is going to issue a warrant.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But once arrested, a judge says Lohan can bail out of jail.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: About $100,000 would probably catch her attention.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Also, Lohan can`t drink.
REVEL: It would be the court`s intention to order an immediate (INAUDIBLE) device on her which measures any amount of alcohol that`s delivered in her system.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She also must agree to random drug testing at least once a week.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: On the one hand, I understand Judge Revel`s frustration.
REVEL: We have to take this seriously. I warned her before.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: On the other hand, this is a young woman who is complying with the conditions of her probation and could not be here because of something outside her control.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Even with her freedom hanging in the balance, it didn`t stop Lindsay Lohan from partying, dressed to the nines late last night aboard a yacht.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I wasn`t aware of the fact that she was partying on a yacht.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Will Lohan be able to stay out of jail?
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GRACE: I don`t know if "dressed to the nines" encompasses a micro- mini set of hot pants as she boards a yacht in the Riviera, this while the trial judge has informed the court in open court that she knew over month ago that her court day was set for this week. This morning, she failed to appear, blaming not only her own father for somehow engineering the theft of her passport but volcanic ash, as well, from keeping her to her court date.
Straight out to Ken Baker, E! channel chief news correspondent, in court today. Ken, what happened?
KEN BAKER, E!: Well, what happened was that the judge just really threw the book at her. The judge was fed up. The judge said she didn`t want to hear any of the arguments, any of the excuses -- Oh, I lost my passport, my dog ate my passport. The judge was very much done with that.
GRACE: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, Ken. I want to see a shot -- Dana (ph), if you would, I want to see the micro-mini hot pants that Lindsay Lohan was wearing out on the French -- oh, there you go. That`s on the French Riviera, partying into the wee hours last night on a multi- million-dollar yacht, this as her attorney is in the position of blustering through excuses for her -- don`t bend over, Lindsay! -- in court this morning. Go ahead, Baker.
BAKER: Well, you know, it`s interesting, is at the post-hearing news conference, I actually asked Lindsay`s attorney, Shawn Holley -- I said, you know, if it`s smart for your client to be out partying on a yacht last night in the French Riviera when she was supposed to be here in court in the morning? And her attorney said, you know, I wasn`t aware that she was on a yacht. I did not know that. That shows to me there`s some really bad communication happening between Lindsay and her handlers, particularly her attorney.
And to quote the judge this morning -- the judge said, Look, actions speak louder than words. And she didn`t appreciate her actions recently. And there`s context to this, Nancy. Back in October, the same judge in the same courtroom extended Lindsay`s probation for the DUI that this is all about from 2007 for another year. She extended her probation because she was not happy with her behavior. So there`s a pattern. This judge has a history with Lindsay and has not been happy with what she thinks is thumbing her nose at the court.
GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Lindsay Lohan has an arrest warrant now issued by a California judge. Out to the lines. Michelle in Missouri. Hi, Michelle.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Thank you for taking my call.
GRACE: Thank you for calling in, dear. What`s your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t know what airline Lindsay took out there, but I`m curious to know if the judge looked into if she had a scheduled flight home and if it was scheduled for after her court date. I don`t think I`d believe a word of what she`s saying.
GRACE: Good point. Alexis Tereszcuk with Radaronline.com, what do we know about her return ticket?
ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: Well, she actually sent an e-mail last night, Lindsay did, begging for her friends and family to please get her a private plane. Thing was, she said in the e-mail she was getting her passport by 11:00 AM today...
GRACE: Alexis? Alexis? Alexis?
TERESZCUK: Yes?
GRACE: Do you know how much a charter would cost from the Cannes Film Festival back to LA?
TERESZCUK: I believe that private planes cost almost $4,000 an hour. I think it`s about a nine-hour flight.
GRACE: I think...
TERESZCUK: That`s an astronomical amount of money. And Lindsay was...
GRACE: I think it`s a tiny bit more than that. I think it would be around $70,000 to $80,000 to get a charter flight...
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TERESZCUK: And she was asking her friends to donate this.
GRACE: OK, go ahead, Alexis.
TERESZCUK: So she was begging for a flight. She said she needed to be out of France by 5:00 PM today, which still wouldn`t get her back to Los Angeles in time for her court date. So if she did have a return flight, she wasn`t talking about it at all.
GRACE: Alexis Tereszcuk -- put Alexis up. Now, I asked you, did you know about a return flight? Do you know if she had -- even had a scheduled return flight?
TERESZCUK: It doesn`t seem like she did have a scheduled return flight.
GRACE: Yes. I`m getting...
TERESZCUK: Her mother said that...
GRACE: ... the trend line.
TERESZCUK: ... she might have had one on Tuesday. Yes, but it doesn`t...
GRACE: OK, you know what?
TERESZCUK: There`s no evidence of it.
GRACE: That should have been brought up in court today, Ken Baker. Did anybody, such as her lawyer, say, Look, Judge, here`s the receipt for her return flight, she was supposed to be back yesterday?
BAKER: No. Very good point. In fact, the judge said, I want to see -- the next time that Lindsay Lohan is in this courtroom, I want to see proof that she did, in fact, have a ticket scheduled for her to be back to make it on time...
GRACE: OK.
BAKER: ... because the judge didn`t believe it.
GRACE: Got it. Enough said, Ken Baker.
Unleash the lawyers. Joining us tonight, felony prosecutor Eleanor Odom, Atlanta, Renee Rockwell, defense attorney, Peter Odom, defense attorney, Atlanta.
That tells me, Renee Rockwell, that either her lawyer`s unprepared -- which I happen to know the lawyer`s reputation, it`s fairly good -- or she didn`t have a return flight because if she had a return flight scheduled and paid for that she had already arranged, the lawyer would have come in and said, Here`s defense exhibit number 1. We had this flight. We lost our passport. She can`t make it.
So bottom line, she never even had a flight to come back for the court date.
RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No, I wouldn`t say that, Nancy. Let me disagree with you because here`s a situation where this is a young lady that could have walked up, swiped a credit card and gotten on a plane. If she doesn`t have her passport, if her passport is stolen, then she -- there`s no reason to go and buy a flight home.
GRACE: OK. You know what? That didn`t even make any sense. You try it, Peter Odom. You don`t just walk up and swipe a credit card and you have a ticket. No. You get a return flight if you intend to come back to court. Do you disagree with that, Peter Odom?
PETER ODOM, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, no, I don`t disagree with that, Nancy. I think that -- you know, we as defense attorneys, we can`t make clients do anything. We can`t make them show up for hearings. We can advise them. We can warn them of the dire consequences of not showing up. But this is probably a client control problem, not a communication problem.
GRACE: Eleanor, I`m trying to talk about the evidence. Neither of the defense attorneys want to address the fact she didn`t have a return ticket.
ELEANOR ODOM, PROSECUTOR: Exactly. She didn`t have a return ticket. It shows she had no intention to return the day she was supposed to in court. And you know what, Nancy? If you don`t show up in court, there`s a bench warrant issued.
GRACE: To Clark Goldband, our producer. Clark, just give me a lowdown on how far it is from Cannes to LA. How many miles are we talking about?
CLARK GOLDBAND, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: We`re talking over 6,000, Nancy, 6,070 miles, to be exact. And a lot of people are asking, Where in the world is Lindsay Lohan right now? Quite frankly, we don`t know, but we have uncovered some plane tickets and we`ll have those for you in just a moment.
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LINDSAY LOHAN, ACTRESS: I`m a normal person. I can handle (INAUDIBLE) if there`s people with cameras in front of me. It`s something you want when you come into this business, so the second you complain about it, it`s, like, Well, then why did you get into this?
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LOHAN: I`m off to Cannes right now to announce (ph) the movie.
REVEL: She was ordered to be here. She was ordered to be here at 8:30.
LOHAN: My court date is coming up this week.
REVEL: She`s not here.
LOHAN: I mean, I`ve been in compliance more than ever.
REVEL: There`s really no valid excuse.
LOHAN: I think it should go well.
REVEL: So at this time, the court is going to issue a warrant.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The actress says someone stole her passport in Cannes, and the timing couldn`t be worse.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As far as I`m concerned, she had a valid reason for not being here today.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The bottom line is she couldn`t be here today for this probation hearing stemming from a 2007 DUI conviction.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The judge was very unforgiving, saying she shouldn`t have gone to Cannes in the first place if she didn`t know she couldn`t get back.
LOHAN: I feel like there`s always people that are going to say certain things, so I try not to acknowledge it. I think a lot of it distracts from the fact that I got into this to be an actress and to be an entertainer (INAUDIBLE)
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GRACE: That is Lohan talking Hollywoodtv.com just moments before leaving for her trip to the Cannes Film Festival.
We are taking your calls live. Out to Christina in Florida. Hi, Christina.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. I just want to say I think you are just a wonderful mother, and you are such an inspiration. You`re actually my inspiration for applying to law school right now. And...
GRACE: Where are you applying, Christina?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, my top school is actually Harvard.
GRACE: You know what? Power to you. They could use you up at Harvard.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you.
GRACE: Go ahead. What`s your question, dear?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My question is, how long ago does she claim her passport was stolen? And why didn`t she go to the American embassy in France and try to take care of this problem?
GRACE: OK, now, wait. Your question is how long what?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How long ago does she claim that her passport was actually stolen?
GRACE: OK. What about it, Ken Baker? When did it emerge that her passport was stolen? And how can she blame her father for engineering its theft? Wasn`t he in the U.S., or was he also pushing a movie at Cannes Film Festival?
BAKER: No, Michael Lohan was in the United States at the time she claims she lost her passport, which, when we heard about it the first time was yesterday morning. And she could claim that by the time she found out that it was stolen, the U.S. embassy, the consulate, had been closed and she couldn`t get that.
But I have to tell you right now, Nancy, I think more people believe that Elvis Presley is still alive than believe that she actually did lose her passport. And that includes the judge, by the way.
GRACE: Now, you know, there`s been a string of excuses, a history of crying wolf in court. But what specifically are we talking about, Ken Baker? Why is there the impression that she always has a different excuse?
BAKER: Well, I think that you have to go back to when, back in 2007, she was put on probation and she was told by the judge that she had to attend regularly -- and that was on a weekly basis -- alcohol education classes. Now, what we have found out through different reports that have been submitted to the court is that she hasn`t been showing up to those regularly.
Now, on top of that, in the middle of this probationary period, we started to see her last year -- after her -- actually, for about a year, laying low, not going out and partying, we saw her out in the clubs a lot, out late at night, acting erratically up until the point of the last few days in Cannes, as you mentioned, on the yacht, at different parties, out there partying, surrounded by alcohol. And I think it just set off a lot of red flags for everyone, and apparently including the judge in this case.
GRACE: But Alexis Tereszcuk with Radaronline.com, it seems as if in any opportunity, she blames everybody else. Somebody else stole her passport. She claims it was her father. The embassy was closed. Then when it turned out she had not been going to her alcohol classes, she blamed it on the alcohol class instructor. Do you know what she alleged, Alexis?
TERESZCUK: She actually said that the instructor made her feel uncomfortable when she was there, and was texting people. Lindsay blames everybody else. The buck never stops with Lindsay.
GRACE: Well, she said that the instructor wanted to hang out with her after class.
What happens in these classes, Brad Lamm? You`re a certified interventionist. What goes on in these classes that she was avoiding?
BRAD LAMM, INTERVENTIONIST (via telephone): Hi, Nancy. What she was trying to participate in was a harm reduction educational program, like at Right On (ph). It`s (INAUDIBLE) the casual user of alcohol or drugs create alternative trigger responses around drugs and alcohol.
Now, looking at this from the outside, I think, you know, you ask, What does someone need? Do they need a soft kind of treatment or help, or do they need something more serious? And I think we can all draw our conclusions that she needs a little more help than this kind of -- this kind of help. It`s called harm reduction.
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REVEL: She has a history of, from her prior alcohol program, not attending. Last time she was supposed to be in court at 8:30, she didn`t come until 10:00 or 10:30. I couldn`t have been more clear about the priority of this case in getting things done.
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REVEL: She should have made sure that she either didn`t go to Cannes, or if she went there, she was back two days early.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I wasn`t aware of the fact that she was partying on a yacht. I understand that there are a lot of parties going on in Cannes. She`s a 23-year-old girl. Would I do that at my age? No.
REVEL: It`s my understanding, I don`t know for sure, but that if you lose the passport, you need an emergency passport, it takes a couple of hours to get one. If she wanted to be here, it looks to the court that she could have been here.
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GRACE: Out to Eleanor Odom, felony prosecutor. Eleanor, you were in court just this morning, weren`t you?
ELEANOR ODOM: Yes, I was.
GRACE: And you had a long calendar of defendants who were supposed to be in court, were they not.
ELEANOR ODOM: Exactly.
GRACE: What happened when didn`t come to court, Eleanor?
ELEANOR ODOM: Well, what always happens. The judge calls the name. They don`t show. He issued a bench warrant. And that`s just the way it`s done in court every day, Nancy.
GRACE: And there`s no big fanfare. And in fact, it happens right then. You look around the courtroom, you call his name a couple of times, maybe you send the sheriff out into the hallway to see if they`re loitering in the hallway and they don`t know the calendar has started. Otherwise, there`s a bond forfeiture -- a BF -- right at that moment when they don`t answer up a calendar call. Isn`t that true?
ELEANOR ODOM: Yes. And it`s not unusual, Nancy. Happens every single day.
GRACE: So Renee Rockwell, give me one good reason she should not be arrested for not being in court.
ROCKWELL: Because her passport was not available, she could not get an emergency passport, and she had a lawyer in court explaining that to the judge. I will say this, Nancy, though. The judge was somewhat forgiving for giving her a bond. That`s amazing. You don`t ever see that happen.
GRACE: Out to the lines. Carla in Texas. Hi, Carla.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hello. I have one quick question.
GRACE: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know when you do drugs, it stays in your system sometimes six to eight months, especially your hair.
GRACE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why -- as long as her hair is, they don`t need to put one of those little swatch (ph) things on her. They just need to check her hair, and it should give -- as long as it is, it should give a nice assortment of what she`s...
GRACE: Hold on, Carla. Let`s go to Dr. Titus Duncan, a general surgeon at the Atlanta Medical Center. Dr. Duncan, thank you for being with us. Doctor, how long do drugs and alcohol stay in your hair? How long can you get evidence of specifically drugs from hair?
DR. TITUS DUNCAN, ATLANTA MEDICAL CENTER: It all depends on the metabolism of the drug and the person. It can stay in only for a few hours or it can stay in for a couple of days. But there are certain devices that can actually detect drugs and alcohol through your skin, from your perspiration, and so it stays around for a little bit. But those devices are quite common.
GRACE: Eleanor, isn`t it true that hard drugs like cocaine stay residually in your hair for months?
ELEANOR ODOM: Yes. That could be. And also marijuana, too, Nancy. Don`t forget about that.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: In an L.A. courtroom, the judge revoking Lohan`s probation from her 2007 drunk driving conviction.
LINDSAY LOHAN, ACTRESS: I`m out there right now. I`m an easy target.
JUDGE MARSHA REVEL, L.A. SUPERIOR COURT JUDGE: The problem is actions speak louder than words.
LOHAN: I believe that everything that, you know, you put out there and that`s --
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Yes.
LOHAN: -- will project eventually.
REVEL: Her actions in the past have not justified me having faith in saying automatically, oh, OK, sure. This isn`t the first time.
LOHAN: Everyone has their own opinion and they`re entitled to it.
REVEL: She has to take this seriously. I warned her before.
LOHAN: You know, you live and you learn, and that`s what`s great about growing up.
REVEL: She knew it`s very serious.
LOHAN: You know you only live once. Might as well do something that`s going to --
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: We are taking your calls live and back to Carla in Texas`s question from the Rutgers drug charge. Hair testing. A standard hair screen detects cocaine, marijuana, opiates, methamphetamines, and Phencyclidine.
Every half inch of hair detects drug use for 30 days. Usually a standard hair drug screen uses a hair sample of 1.5 inches. It covers a period of 90 days.
Carla, that`s the answer to your question.
I want to go to Clark Goldband. You were telling us about her return flights, the possibilities, since we believe now she never had a return ticket.
CLARK GOLDBAND, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Yes, Nancy --
GRACE: Even though she knew she had court this morning.
GOLDBAND: Yes, Nancy, and we`ve researched this. Now it`s not clear if she`ll be flying home from Niece which is right by Cannes, or a few hundred miles away in Paris, but it doesn`t matter. If she wants to be home in California tomorrow morning she can. In fact, a lot of these flights leaving --
GRACE: Wait a minute. Why do -- what about tomorrow morning? Court was this morning, Clark.
GOLDBAND: Well, you`re right.
GRACE: Who cares about tomorrow morning? But I assume the schedule would have been the same for today so go ahead.
GOLDBAND: Well, right now I think that`s the best she can hope for is to be home by tomorrow morning. I don`t know if that`ll score any brownie points with the judge. But she can get home as early as 11:00 a.m. California time tomorrow.
We have some flight samples here. As you can see, there`s an Air France departing at 7:20. There`s also an Air France a half hour later at 8:00 and she can take a British Airways at about 7:35. It`ll get her home plenty of time to space to take care of her day in California.
Also, Nancy, we advance to the next screen, as we said, there were about 6,000 miles from France to where she`s flying to -- Los Angeles -- but the intake from the sheriff`s department is just about 10 miles away from the airport.
GRACE: Back to the calls. Patty, Massachusetts. Hi, Patty.
PATTY, CALLER FROM MASSACHUSETTS: Oh, Nancy. Hi. Thank you for taking my call. First of all, I want to --
GRACE: Thank you for calling.
PATTY: I wish I could make a reservation for every night at 8:00.
GRACE: Thank you.
PATTY: Yes. You always have something to say. First of all, I want to say I`ve been a single parent for 20 years and I have three daughters. And from day one when I knew I was going to do this on my own I told them that`s my name you`re carrying, don`t mess with it. And thank God I`ve had a good 20 years.
But my thing is, is Lindsay`s lawyer for real? I mean, she just seems to be like, oh, well she`s been to 20 -- 10 of the 13. She`s been three years on probation to get her act together. She`s done 10 of the 13. Well, shouldn`t she have had more of a time period?
And her lawyer is saying well, she would have been here if she could, but did she really think that her father would pull all this and what it would cost to hire someone to steal her passport? I don`t think so.
GRACE: No. No. Patty, you`re absolutely right. Before we answer your questions, congratulations on the 20 years of your girls, you know, flying right, staying out of trouble. That`s a pretty good record and I hope you have 20 more of those.
But I want to quickly go to Brad Lamm, board-certified interventionist at Bradlamm.com, author of how to change someone you love.
Brad, address her performance, Lohan`s performance, since the judge put her on probation. And also I still didn`t get a clear picture when I asked you last time. What do they do in these classes that she`s been avoiding so much?
BRAD LAMM, CERTIFIED INTERVENTIONIST, AUTHOR OF "HOW TO CHANGE SOMEONE YOU LOVE": They`re tox classes so they try to drill into your head a new way of thinking around alcohol and drugs. So if you`re a casual user, it`s just bad luck you get a DUI, it might be a good answer.
If it`s somebody that`s really in trouble, I think these classes are a horrible solution and I`m really against them.
See, addicts are full of excuses and emergencies and reasons why they can`t do what they`re supposed to do. So I`d like to judge to put a cork in the excuses and really throw the book at her.
GRACE: Joining us right now, Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, author of "Dealbreakers," joining us out of L.A.
Weigh in, Dr. Bethany.
BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": Well, to further what Brad Lamm said, all you have to do is take a look at what Lindsay Lohan has the most contempt for, and those are the things -- institution and people who are standing in the way of her addiction, and that`s why she`s trying to alienate them from her life.
She has contempt for her father. She should be glad and thanking God she has a parent who wants to weigh in and help her with the drug abuse.
She has contempt for the judicial system. She has contempt for her own attorney who she left kind of twisting in the wind at the courthouse. She has contempt towards these drug and alcohol classes.
So these are all the things that need to be set back in place to help her with her addiction. She needs family counseling to help reunite her and help her work through the dysfunctional family dynamic.
She may need incarceration as a reality check. She must work within the judicial system in every way. She needs a higher level of care.
She`s had three rehabs, right? And none of them have worked. It`s time to rethink and really for everyone to come together as a united front and help her with this addiction.
GRACE: Well, speaking of the father, that`s a whole other can of worms, Ken Baker.
KEN BAKER, E! CHIEF NEWS CORRESPONDENT, IN COURT TODAY: Yes. Well, Michael Lohan was actually in the courtroom today, and he did speak -- I spoke to him briefly afterwards. And I said, you know, is this going to be enough? Is this going to be enough to save her? And he doesn`t think so.
He thinks that she needs more than just court-ordered alcohol education classes. She needs a very -- a specific kind of facility. He actually has one in mind that is residential.
GRACE: Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Isn`t it true the one that he suggested is not really a rehab facility at all? It`s kind of like a castle?
BAKER: I think that what he feels is that all the past rehab efforts have failed and this is a new, different kind of program that he thinks is the kind. He`s a recovering addict himself. This is his opinion, I`m not saying it`s an accurate one. It`s her father`s opinion that this would be the best place to place.
GRACE: Wait a minute.
BAKER: It`s a place on Long Island.
GRACE: Can I ask you something, Ken Baker? What does her father know? He just got out of jail. His big aim is to get fame off of his daughter, Lindsay Lohan, and start a reality show with Jon Gosselin. That`s what her dad -- dad is. Why was he in jail?
BAKER: Well, you know, this is a really good point, actually, Nancy. He -- he himself admits that perhaps he`s not the best messenger --
GRACE: Why was he in jail, please?
BAKER: I`m not familiar with all his criminal past, but he --
GRACE: Do you know, Alexis?
ALEXIS TERESZCUK, REPORTER, RADAROLINE.COM: He was in jail for -- I believe it was money laundering/tax evasion? And he spent 20 months in jail. He also was a prescription pill addict which is what he accuses Lindsay of as well.
GRACE: You know, I just get the feeling that he seizes every opportunity to make PR for himself when his daughter`s in trouble.
And, look, I know she`s 23. But take a look at these parents. The mother out partying with her, with her daughter, and the father in jail. And now they`re surprised that their daughter`s having problems?
To Paul Penzone, director of the Prevention Programs, Childhelp.org, former sergeant, Phoenix PD.
Paul, what do you make of it?
PAUL PENZONE, DIRECT OF PREVENTION PROGRAMS, CHILDHELP.ORG, FMR. SERGEANT, PHOENIX PD: It`s a shame. It`s a girl who in one moment she`s living as a Hollywood starlet in France. Why would she want to make it back in time?
That passport is her livelihood. For those who travel overseas, that is your lifeline. It should be under lock and key. It`s inexcusable. Right now her -- the judge is her best friend. She`s trying to hold her responsible and put her in position where she`s accountable. She needs more people around her willing to do the same things.
GRACE: Out to the lines, Diane in Washington. Hi, Diane.
DIANE, CALLER FROM WASHINGTON: Hi. How are you?
GRACE: I`m good, dear. What`s your question?
DIANE: Well, first, after listening to the comments, I want to say if she had a parent like you or me -- I`ve been a mother for 29 years as well, and I have four children, my youngest is 10. And none of my kids have gotten into this. And if she were my daughter or I know your daughter this would never happen.
And I think that`s the main problem. But my question is, and that kind of changed it up a little, but here looking at the old shots that you`re showing, yes, I can see where there`s a problem. But when they`re showing, like that one on the bonus screen now, where she is in France last night at the Cannes going on the boat, I have not seen one drink or any evidence of alcohol or anything.
She looks totally fine to me. So why -- did anybody actually witness her drinking or doing drugs? Why is her dad accusing her? And --
GRACE: I think the father is just trying his best to get PR for himself at this juncture.
Everybody, I`ve just gotten an wire across my desk. Someone has posted bail for Lindsay Lohan to avoid her arrest come her entry into the country. That bail set at $100,000. We`ll bring you back with the latest on this wire.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Will the next role actress Lindsay Lohan land be the real-life inmate?
LOHAN: I feel like there`s always people that are going to say certain things so I just try to, you know, acknowledge it.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The actress may now be facing serious jail time as she`s violated the conditions of her probation from a 2007 DUI conviction.
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LOHAN: You know, you feel like that will never happen to me.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: This could, in fact, land Lindsay Lohan behind bars.
LOHAN: It`s wake-up call.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Lindsay Lohan`s out-of-control behavior may be finally catching up with her. The actress in France right now. The problem is she`s supposed to be in Los Angeles on a court date.
LOHAN: I want to be a good role model.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: But Lohan`s attorney says she`s stuck in Paris.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Lohan`s supposed to check in to alcohol awareness classes. Instead of finishing those classes, we heard that there were reports she was at a party at Cannes Film Festival.
LOHAN: Yes, I`m that girl. Nobody`s perfect. Everyone has their ups and downs.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The arrest was her second for an alleged DUI in less than three months.
LOHAN: Here in L.A., you hear everyone is going out, you`re like, what`s going to happen if I`m not there that one?
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GRACE: We have just received word that Lohan`s bail has been posted. It`s $100,000 bond.
Out to you, Ken Baker, ET News correspondent. What happened?
BAKER: Well, basically, someone did post. We don`t know the identity of the person. $100,000 bail for her. This means that her bench warrant for her arrest has been revoked and right now they`ve scheduled a court hearing at the Beverly Hills Municipal Court for 8:30 a.m. Monday.
Now a sliver of good news for her is that the judge in this case -- Revel -- she is dark next week. She will not be in the court. It will be a different judge, and that can only be a good thing for Lindsay.
However, the bad news is they`re going to set on that court date on Monday a probation violation hearing and the district attorney has already told E! News that she`s going to ask for up to 180 days in jail for different probation violations that Lindsay has done over the last few months.
GRACE: So you think, Ken Baker, that it`s a good thing to get a judge you don`t know?
BAKER: Well --
GRACE: Be careful what you ask, my dear, for you will surely get it. You know, she might jump from the fire into the frying pan.
BAKER: That`s certainly possible, but I think that Judge Revel, everyone who saw her today in that courtroom, she is not a fan of Lindsay Lohan`s.
GRACE: Everybody, we are switching gears and asking for your help in a case. A tourist gets an eyeful, certainly gets to see the sights and sounds along San Francisco bay when he spots a woman`s leg, a woman folded up in a suitcase washes ashore as he and his little niece stroll along the boardwalk. Take a listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Breaking news.
GRACE: A tourist walking the San Francisco bay scenic waterfront with his little niece, well, they got an eyeful today.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: His niece spotted the suitcase in the water just a few feet offshore.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A lot of things went through my head. It`s like, oh my god, that`s big.
GRACE: Stuffed inside, a young woman`s body.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Police say inside the suitcase was the body of a woman.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: They found the body curled up in a fetal position stuffed inside.
GRACE: How the woman must have been contorted and folded up.
DR. JOSHUA PERPER, MEDICAL EXAMINER, AUTHOR OF "WHEN TO CALL THE DOCTOR": The body shows a lack of decomposition, indicating that it was very fresh, perhaps a day or two at the most.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: In the last hour, the body, curled in a fetal position, inside the hard shell luggage, has been positively I.D.`d as a 52-year-old San Francisco woman Pearla Ann Louis.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What I saw was like a leg.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The Coast Guard, they are trying to find out if this suitcase was dropped in a different location and then drifted ashore.
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GRACE: We are taking your calls live. A woman folded into a suitcase. As of last night, no idea who she really was or what had happened. Believe it or not, it took them 24 hours to announce it was a homicide.
Out to the Eve Batey, editor, "San Francisco Appeals."
Eve, what do you know?
EVE BATEY, EDITOR, SAN FRANCISCO APPEAL: Well, Nancy, it sounds like you covered most of it there. Yes, we have indeed learned that the victim was Pearla Louis, a-52-year-old African-American woman, a San Francisco resident, though public records searched showed that she`s also had several residences in Oakland, which is right across the bay.
And another news outlet that I was reading reported, too, that she has apparently been homeless at various points in her life.
GRACE: So obviously this is a homicide. I`m surprised it took local police 24 hours to announce it was a homicide.
There you see the woman`s body in the suitcase being wheeled away on a medical examiner`s gurney shrouded in a sheet.
Matt Zarrell, what more do we know?
MATT ZARRELL, NANCY GRACE STAFFER, COVERING STORY: Well, this woman, Pearla, was missing. Apparently cops are telling us that she was reported missing at about 3:00 p.m. on Monday, less than 24 hours after her body was found in a suitcase.
But police are not releasing the details including who reported her missing and exactly where she was last seen.
GRACE: The tip line, everyone, 415-575-4444. That`s a San Francisco police. 415-575-4444. What happened to the lady in the suitcase?
As we go to break, our thoughts and prayers tonight to the family of James Otis Venable Jr. He passed away, age 82, May 8, Macon, Georgia. Attended Mercy University. Served the Air Force over 35 years, installing global radar systems providing security for the U.S. Air Force.
Sir Timothy Air National Guard, Georgia Air National Guard. After military, worked for Northrop Grumman and was a start-up owner in Applied Technology.
He loved cars, motorcycles, loved gardening, but his greatest love, his family. He leaves behind three beautiful daughters, Carol, Cassie, and Karen, five grandchildren, five grandchildren, two great grandchildren, siblings, Ann, Charles, Glenn, Linda.
Mr. Venable had been grieving his beloved wife of 60 years, Helen. She passed away just three months before. Now they are together in heaven.
James Venable, Jr., good night, friend.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Investigators say there was no obvious cause of death.
GRACE: Look at that tiny suitcase.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The body was taken to the medical examiner`s office to determine the cause.
GRACE: How the woman must have been contorted and folded up.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The body, curled in a fetal position inside the hard-shell luggage, has been positively I.D.`d as 52-year-old, San Francisco woman Pearla Ann Louis.
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GRACE: Tip line 415-575-4444. Out to the lines, Sheeba, Illinois, hi, Sheeba.
SHEEBA, CALLER FROM ILLINOIS: Hi, Nancy. I`ve got two little things here. Is there a person of interest right now, a husband, a boyfriend, something like that?
GRACE: OK.
SHEEBA: Or even a girlfriend? And my second question is, please say a short prayer for me a week from Friday. I`m going to have to have back surgery again.
GRACE: Sheeba, Illinois, a week from Friday, back surgery.
SHEEBA: Yes.
GRACE: I`m putting you in my BlackBerry right now.
SHEEBA: Prayers help.
GRACE: And we`ll be sending our thoughts and prayers that night, next Friday.
Hey, Sheeba, where are you in the hospital? Where are you going to be in the hospital?
SHEEBA: Carbondale, Illinois.
GRACE: OK. I`ll find you.
Let`s go to the question. To Eve Batey, editor of "San Francisco Appeal." Is there a possible person of interest now we`ve now identified Pearla Ann Louis, a black female, 52 years old, San Francisco resident.
What do we know? Do we know about a boyfriend, lover, ex-husband, live-in? Anything? I know she was homeless for a period of time.
BATEY: Well, Nancy, you know, the police are being very, very close- mouthed with the media regarding what they think might have happened. The best that they can tell us is that she was reported missing on Monday, but they are reluctant to even tell us minor things like what part of San Francisco she was living in, who reported her missing.
GRACE: You know what, Eve --
BATEY: Who they were telling about.
GRACE: Eve, I think that`s crazy.
BATEY: You know, trying to contact with her identity.
GRACE: Eve, I think that`s crazy -- with me is Eve Batey, respected reporter, editor for the "San Francisco Appeal" -- for police not to release that. That way the public could at least try to help.
Very quickly, Dr. Bethany, the psychology behind putting someone dead to be water logged in a suitcase.
MARSHALL: Well, I think it rules out a serial killer because serial killers often want their bodies to be discovered like trophies, almost like the admiration of the deceased, but I think most likely, husband, boyfriend, two-thirds of all women who are murdered are murdered by their husbands or boyfriends. That`s where the most hatred anger and rage is in our most intimate of relationships.
GRACE: Tip line 415-575-4444. I hope you can -- I can bring you the photo of Pearla Ann Louis ASAP.
Let`s stop and remember Army Sergeant Kevin Gilbertson, 24, Cedar Rapids, Iowa, killed Iraq on a second tour. Awarded the Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Combat Action badge. Loved cars, outdoors, cooking, had just purchased DJ equipment.
Dreamed of college and becoming a chef. Leaves behind father, Don, widow Nina, sons Timmy and Nick. Aunt Grace.
Kevin Gilbertson, American hero.
Thanks to our guests, but especially to you. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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