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Jermaine Jackson Discusses His Brother's Death and Legacy
Aired June 25, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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LARRY KING, HOST: Tonight on the first anniversary of Michael Jackson's death, Jermaine Jackson returns to his brother's tomb for the first time since the pop icon was laid to rest.
JERMAIN JACKSON, MICHAEL JACKSON'S BROTHER: Michael, I miss you.
KING: Revealing the anguish.
JACKSON: He got a bum wrap because he's just -- he was so misunderstood.
KING: Sorrow and torment which has pained the entire Jackson family.
JACKSON: We felt that he was being threatened and someone was trying to kill him.
KING: Jermaine Jackson's emotional interview, next, on a very special edition of LARRY KING LIVE.
KING: Good evening. It was a year ago today that news out of Los Angeles shocked the world. Michael Jackson had died. People all over the planet poured into the streets, mourning the loss of a singer that moved generations of music lovers.
Michael was buried at Forest Lawn in Glendale, California. Jermaine Jackson returns to his brother's final resting place for the first time since then, and sat down with me for an eye-opening interview.
KING: This is where Michael Jackson is interred. One year ago today, the nation stunned by the death of this incredible superstar at age 50.
By the way, other people buried or interred here include Lucille Ball, Jack Baron, Clark Gable, George Burns, Jimmy Stewarts, Humphrey Bogart, Carol Lombard, Spencer Tracy.
Our special guest is Jermaine Jackson.
What can we say? What's this year been like? JACKSON: It's been tough, Larry. It went so fast. We've been just putting the pieces together and the family's having a lot of meetings and we're just trying to hold on.
KING: Have you come to terms with it? You ever really accept it? Because he was so young?
JACKSON: It's hard. It's -- no, we haven't come to terms. It's something we're learning to live with. But we will never accept it. It's just -- it's tough. Very tough.
KING: We all remember watching that funeral. Who didn't watch it? Now we're here in front of the mausoleum where your brother was interred. Where was the funeral? Was it right here?
JACKSON: I think it was around the corner someplace.
KING: They had a -- they laid a carpet, right?
JACKSON: Yes. Right. They laid a carpet. That was the private funeral that the immediate family and special friends and guests had. Yes.
KING: That was some night.
JACKSON: It's tough. I'm very emotional when I drove up.
KING: Was it emotional today?
JACKSON: Yes, Larry. Very, very much because I just can't believe a year has gone by. But to just -- when it happened, so many things came back to my mind. Just the childhood and things that we used to do as a family and a group as the Jackson Five. It was very tough.
KING: You know, when that film came out, I think we finally get to realize what a really -- not only great performer but sensational person he was.
JACKSON: Yes, but why they didn't know that when he was alive? Because his music -- if we listen to the content of his lyric in his music, that's what he is. That's what he wrote from his heart, from his soul. And it's sad because now people realize what kind of person he was all along, but he's not here to see that.
KING: You think he got a bum wrap in life?
JACKSON: He got a bum wrap because it's just -- he was so misunderstood. And he was trying to take the world on his shoulders and to bring an awareness to the world and what we need to do as people. Yes, he got a bum wrap, yes.
KING: Does the family visit here often?
JACKSON: We come, and friends come and they bring flowers because I have been here and see a lot of different seating arrangements around his -- his burial site, and it's very cold in there. It's a dark corridor.
KING: We're not allowed in. But it is dark and cold?
JACKSON: It is cold, Larry. It's -- it's -- to walk this corridor and all hear is your footsteps and it's -- Michael shouldn't be here. I always felt that.
KING: You wanted him where?
JACKSON: At Neverland.
KING: We were there together.
JACKSON: Right. I said it then.
KING: We taped this earlier in the week. How is the family going to mark the anniversary? Are they going to do anything special on the Friday, this Friday, when we're broadcasting?
JACKSON: Yes, we -- we're getting together and probably going to have songs and sing and things like that to remember all of the good that he's done.
KING: And try to make it joyous?
JACKSON: Try to make it joyous, but it hurts at the same time. But he would want us to be happy. Michael was very special in the sense that he -- I kind of felt that he -- he felt something about his life, and he did say on numerous occasions at times to my mother that he felt that he was being threatened and someone was trying to kill him.
JACKSON: Yes, yes.
KING: He had a premonition of early death by violence, or some method?
JACKSON: Yes. Someone.
KING: How is Randy? We heard he had a scare.
JACKSON: Randy is fine. He scared me, too, because Randy --
KING: What happened?
JACKSON: He had some chest pains that was -- but they were in his heart. He has been working very, very hard and just keeping things together with the family and everything. And we got a call right during the -- I guess the Lakers playoff that he was rushed to the hospital.
He is doing fine now. I saw him the past weekend, and he said he's -- he's doing much, much better. So he's taking it easy. Thank you, though.
KING: Michael's children impressed the millions who saw that memorial service. How are Blanket, Prince and Paris? Jermaine is going to fill us in.
And we'll get into Dr. Conrad Murray and the dark side of Michael's death, next.
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EARVIN "MAGIC" JOHNSON, NBA LEGEND: This is a celebration of his life. Of his legacy.
BROOKE SHIELDS, ACTRESS: He was caring and funny, honest, pure, and he was a lover of life.
PARIS MICHAEL KATHERINE JACKSON, MICHAEL'S ONLY DAUGHTER: Ever since I was born, Daddy has been the best father you could ever imagine. And I just wanted to say I love him.
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KING: Jermaine Jackson. We're at Forest Lawn Cemetery. How are Michael's kids?
JACKSON: Michael's kids --
KING: You all live together, huh, the kids?
JACKSON: Yes, but they live with my two -- Jaffar and Jermajesty and they're having a good time. They're being kids. And they're playing with skateboards and the dogs running around the house and the parrot and the iguanas and things like that.
KING: Are they into music?
JACKSON: Very, very much so. But they more like -- they are into film and they love behind the scenes, directors and producers, they can tell you just about anything about a film and who produced it. And --
JACKSON: Yes. They love that.
KING: How are they doing in school?
JACKSON: They are doing very, very well. There was -- there's been some announcements I think that they're going to take a private school next year. But they are doing very, very well. They are all ahead and so are my two. So we're very happy about that.
KING: Are you -- is everybody fathering everybody? Is it like it takes a village? JACKSON: Yes. Well -- well, we have to. We're the adults, and they are children, so we -- if we see them doing something wrong, we're going to say something. Not -- it's not up to the nanny or the housekeepers or whoever to reprimand them. It's up to us as adults.
KING: Kids come here often?
JACKSON: No, no.
KING: No. Do they get along well? The kids?
JACKSON: Oh, yes.
KING: Because kids always fight.
JACKSON: Yes. They --
JACKSON: They get along very, very well. They -- it's the video games and all that stuff, and having the little fights and just -- and then they get bored and they want to go out to the movie theater and catch the latest animation film, but they are getting along.
KING: Did they see their father's film?
JACKSON: I don't know yet. I think they may have a copy. Because according to my two sons they --
KING: Because it's on HBO now.
JACKSON: Yes. Yes. But they are not allowed to do too much on the Internet and all that kind of stuff.
KING: Good idea.
KING: How -- were you surprised how well they did at the memorial service?
JACKSON: Very, very well.
KING: Everyone was.
JACKSON: Yes. They were -- I guess right when it happened, the therapist felt that it was important for them to go in and see Michael right then and there, and they got it all out. But, still, it will always be there. They are learning to live with it, too. But they've done a tremendous job of just being strong and being so young.
KING: Bow, your mom is 80 now. And how is she doing?
JACKSON: She's doing very well.
KING: She's got Michael -- how does it work? They float? JACKSON: Well, see, what it is, they're at the house. My mom is there, and there's all kinds of help. There's tutors, there's cooks and security and kids and they get a chance to just be children.
And my mother just -- she runs the rules. She -- she enforces the rules. This is what's going to happen. They all have a meeting. They had a meeting last week, and -- about them just getting together on vacation trips and things like that, so it looks like there's going to be some travels going on, too.
KING: Everyone took it hard, but Katherine took it especially hard, didn't she? Well, you lose a child.
JACKSON: Yes. It's hard to imagine how that feels, but she -- she gets numb and quiet sometimes, and I think she sort of relives the childhood of his and just hearing his laugh and what he used to do when he was young.
KING: Your father recently said -- I don't know how it affected the kids -- but she should have been a more attentive mother.
JACKSON: You know, Larry, everybody has taken that out of context.
KING: Straighten that out for him.
JACKSON: I think my father my said that -- my father said that because my mother -- Michael -- my mother was very, very close to him. And she could get him to say and do things before my father and before any of us, so the fact that he said my mother should have -- a mother should have done that.
But the bottom line is we all were very busy in trying to tear down this wall that was surrounded -- that Michael surrounded himself with. These were the outside people who didn't want us in.
And that's what he meant by breaking that barrier or trying to. She should have been more attentive to trying to get through because he knew she had a -- and just a pass all the time. Not a pass, but just an OK, just to get through it. It was tough. Very tough.
KING: Also probably still a lot of pain in him, isn't it?
JACKSON: Yes, he's still grieving, yes.
KING: Your -- I want to get this right. Your sister Janet has talked about the fact that Michael had a problem, and the family tried several interventions with regard to the problem with drugs. You think you could have done more?
JACKSON: We all say that after the fact, but some of the attempts of intervention, I wasn't there.
KING: You weren't?
JACKSON: I was out of the country. But I had heard about them, but Michael would never, ever, ever take his own life, and I -- if Michael were sitting here right now, and we were to say to him, Michael, you're not going to be here, and your kids are going to be left fatherless, he would say, oh, no, that would never happen.
And the fact that there's been so many ridiculous things being said by Dr. Klein and all these idiots who were saying these horrible things now that he's not here. I'm very much against that.
Michael loved life. He was the type of person who saw a fly in the room, he wouldn't smash it against the wall. He would let it out. He would open the door to let the fly out. He loved preserving life and life for others. Why would he take his own life?
KING: Professor Klein has a great love for him.
JACKSON: No. He -- how can he love him and not like me or the rest of the family? It's all BS.
KING: Dr. Murray -- Conrad Murray -- charged with involuntary manslaughter. His hearing starts in August. Would you attend that trial?
JACKSON: Yes. Yes. I'm there for support. There to keep my mother strong and my father and the family. And keep myself --
KING: How do you feel about the doctor? I mean a judge has allowed him to keep his medical license.
JACKSON: You know, Larry, it's not even important whether he keeps his license or they take his license away. The bottom line is Michael is not here. What he administered in Michael should have been in a hospital setting and he did not act alone.
I all feel, myself, Randy, Latoya, all of us feel that he's the fall guy. And knowing how this whole thing works, and knowing it's higher up than just the doctor, and he's there. And if you squeeze him hard enough, he will talk.
KING: In the year since Michael died there have been rumors of all kinds about what really happened. From day one, the Jackson family has made surprising allegations.
When we come back, Jermaine will address the truth and the lies surrounding Michael's death.
RANDI KAYE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hello, I'm Randi Kaye with a "360 Bulletin." Breaking News, Dick Cheney is in a Washington hospital. A spokesman says the former vice president wasn't feeling well this afternoon when he was admitted for testing.
He's expected to remain hospitalized over the weekend. The latest on his condition on "360" at the top of the hour. A tropical depression in the western Caribbean could spell trouble for cleanup efforts in the Gulf of Mexico. If the storm moves into the area, Admiral Thad Allen, the national incident commander, says all cleanup vessels will be moved out before gale force winds arrive. That could mean oil would be freely gushing out of the well and into the gulf for several days.
Michael Jackson's father files a wrongful death lawsuit against Dr. Conrad Murray on the one-year anniversary of his son's death. The suit alleges that Murray withheld information from doctors and paramedics trying to save Jackson's life, specifically that he had given the singer Propofol.
Murray has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter charges in the criminal case.
Those are the headlines. Back to "LARRY KING" after this.
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WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: We're following the breaking news out of Los Angeles. Michael Jackson has been taken to a hospital.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Paramedics tried to perform CPR and get him breathing again.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: CNN is confirming from the L.A. coroner that Michael Jackson is dead.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: American icon. King of pop.
JACKSON: He attempted to resuscitate him. And they were unsuccessful.
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KING: The pain of Michael's passing is with his brother Jermaine every day. It was not easy for him to return to Forest Lawn for our interview, and it's not easy for him to talk about the circumstances surrounding his death. But he does.
KING: Do you think your brother was killed?
JACKSON: Yes, of course. Of course.
KING: No doubt in your mind.
JACKSON: No doubt in my mind.
KING: Have the authorities done enough? They haven't -- JACKSON: No.
KING: Well, they've stopped at Murray, haven't they?
JACKSON: Yes, but we looked at the authorities they've done their part but at the same time, it's the D.A.'s office, and I just don't trust anybody. I really, really don't. We lost a brother. What really has really -- one of the hearings we went to, they were sitting there laughing, Larry. They're laughing. I felt like getting up and walking out.
JACKSON: The -- first of all I think TMZ was filming this, and they all showboating for the camera, and they were talking about whether the license should be taken or not, and there was chuckles and laughs, and I'm seeing this, and we lost our brother. How disrespectful.
And we're sitting there and I wanted to get up so bad and just walk out. This is our system, our judicial system. And they are sitting there laughing.
KING: Is the family planning any civil action?
JACKSON: Well, we're in meetings, and that's a good question, but right now we're just trying to make sure that every rock is turned over and we can really get a thorough investigation.
KING: Do you think we'll ever find out the whole story?
JACKSON: Yes. Yes. You know why? Because this family is not going to let it not happen. We love him, we miss him. The world needs to know the truth. We need to know the truth. You need to know the truth. And absolutely. We're going to do everything in our power as a family to make sure the world knows on what really happened.
KING: Has the estate paid the city, by the way, to cover the public memorial at Staples?
JACKSON: Yes. That seems --
KING: There were stories about that. What is it?
JACKSON: Larry, it's -- Michael's estate is probably one of the most successful financial estates, close to $1 billion now up to this day, and to have all these things about debt and this and that, it's like when he was alive, they beat him down with this child molestation stuff. They try to make it seem like he did this.
You beat someone down with the very thing that they love. And this was all planned. This was all to try to kill him with that. They couldn't kill him with that. So he had a dependency on sleeping pills or whatever, so they found a way to kill him with that. They found a way.
KING: But the city has been paid, all that has been cleared? JACKSON: Yes.
KING: The day Michael died, how did you find out? I remember you told me but --
JACKSON: I found out --
KING: Where were you?
JACKSON: I was in Azuza. Not too far -- on the other side of Pasadena. Someone from your office called my wife's phone.
KING: CNN told her?
JACKSON: Yes. You guys told us first. And they said do you know anything about Michael being rushed to the hospital? So I said no. Then I got off the phone and then I called my mother right away, and my mother said, yes, I'm on my way to the hospital right now.
So the -- once I got off with her, 45 minutes had gone by, I've spoken to an attorney, friend Joel Katz, then I spoke to my sister Janet, and then Joel admitted to me saying it was pretty bad.
And I said, mom, and then I called my mother back and she was there in the hospital. And I heard her say he's dead, he's dead. The tone of her voice, Larry, was a tone that I've never heard before. And I cried.
I didn't know how to get from Westwood -- from Azuza so we put it in the navigation. And we were crying along the way, and the phone is ringing off the hook, and people texting and calling, and then as we hear -- the whole phone system crashed, and we got closer to Westwood, we see all of these helicopters --
KING: In the UCLA hospital?
JACKSON: Yes. We saw these helicopters -- hovering in the sky, and Westwood is people just standing still and it's taped off, and so I drive up to the policeman and they let me in. And I go to the emergency part, and I go straight to my mother, and she is sitting there like in a daze.
She was just in a daze, numb, staring into space. And then said I -- I consoled her a bit and then I went to see him. I said, well, where is he? And she says he's down the hall. And I walked in this room, then -- it took a lot, Larry, to walk into the room and see your brother laying there lifeless. Laying on the -- this gurney thing like.
And he -- and I sort of touched his face, and it was still soft. He was still soft, and I pulled his eyelid back to look at his eyes, and I just kissed his face and it's a horrible feeling to have death in your family, that close.
KING: Where were you when Michael Jackson died? Tell us. Go to Facebook.com/CNNLarrykinglive and let us know.
Jermaine sang Michael's favorite song at his brother's memorial service. We'll go back to that day right after this.
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KING: How were you able to perform so well at that funeral service, the memorial service? I mean, you were incredible that day. Where did you get that from?
JACKSON: The strength of wanting to do something for him. And I asked my mother -- my other family members didn't want anybody from the family to perform, because they wanted us to sort of just sit there and support everybody. But I wanted to do this song for him because I love that song. And then I realized that was his favorite song. And I so I asked my mother, can I do a song for him. She said, yes, baby, do whatever you can for your brother.
And I went up there, and when I started, and you saw me holding my ear like this, some of the music was going in and out of my ear. And then I said, uh-oh, here comes a train wreck. So I kept going, but there was no music, and I just kept singing.
But it was emotional for me because I knew that was his favorite song. And we had visited the Chaplain family before. He showed up in Vervais (ph), Switzerland, and I would show up. He didn't know that I was friends with Charlie Chaplain's sons as well.
KING: "Smile" is one of the great songs ever written.
JACKSON: It's a wonderful song.
KING: One of the great, great songs ever written. The story was everywhere. Were you shocked at the coverage? Were you at all surprised at how immense the story was?
JACKSON: Not really. You know why, Larry? Because Michael's success is not his talent. It was his message. People cried because they knew what his message was, what he was trying to do through his music. And we're very appreciative as a family, and we will stay strong and united and stand strong as a family. But the world cried because they knew they had lost someone who really cared about them, who cared about the planet, who cared about life.
KING: By the end of the week, the top three albums in sales all over the world were his. Nearly half a million albums were sold; 2.3 million downloads of single tracks. Did that surprise you?
JACKSON: No. You know what surprised me? What surprised me is the fact that I can't go anywhere without someone knowing what happened in any corner of this globe.
KING: You just performed in Africa.
JACKSON: Yeah, in the Gambia. I did a sort of tribute to him. There was -- we started the show with a three-minute poem of his, Larry. And the strangest thing. Before we started, the Moon was covered with clouds. And Michael was talking about planet Earth for three minutes, and just his voice ringing all over the stadium. It was so beautiful. And all of a sudden, the Moon was so bright and clear. And then, when it finished, the clouds closed the Moon up against it.
Everybody, after the show, said did you look at the Moon when your brother was talking? I said, I felt a very magical moment during that time.
KING: Everywhere you go, almost every day, you hear the name Michael, right?
KING: Paparazzi still follow you around?
JACKSON: Yes, there was one that I really wanted to jump and just knock him out the other day. He was being disrespectful. But I'm glad I didn't, because I held my cool. You get like that sometimes, too, I'm pretty sure.
KING: By the way, you can see video of Jermaine's trip in Africa by going to CNN.com/LarryKing.
Michael Jackson was a pop icon before he died. As a child and front man with the Jackson Five, he made music magic. But his popularity and sales have soared in the past year, assuring that Michael will remain alive forever. Jermaine talks about it all, next.
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KING: What was the magic of the Jackson Five?
JACKSON: The magic of the Jackson Five was having a team like Motown, having Barry Gordy, Susan Depasse, Shelly Berger, all of these people who knew how to take what we had and put it into this Motown machine and just present it for the world. That was the magic. And then we were so young, singing these grown up songs, and Michael singing about who is loving you, and he has never experienced love at that age. It was just unbelievable.
KING: And it will never go away, you know.
JACKSON: But we -- my kids are playing "I Want You Back," ABC stuff. I'm hearing this all the time now. Yeah.
KING: It's safe to say you think about him every day.
JACKSON: Every day. Every day. I just -- sometimes, I just say Michael, Michael, Michael. Michael, where are you? Michael, I miss you. Yes.
KING: You believe he's somewhere?
JACKSON: Yes. Absolutely.
KING: Because that cloud is moving in front of the Moon is a little shaky.
JACKSON: No, no. You know why, Larry? See, his spirit is very much alive. I went to Mumbai, and I went to go on the side of town in India to tailors. And I saw this outfit in the window. And I loved this outfit, but it was in an appliance store. But the store that had this outfit was three stories up. So I walked in and said, where is the store for this outfit. They say it's three stores up. So I go in this elevator, go three stories up, and the guy said, oh, my God, your brother was here. I said who? He said, Michael. I made clothes for him.
So he brought all the pictures out, everything. What are the chances, a billion people, all these tailors in India, and I end up in the same place where Michael was to get clothes? I feel him, just because his spirit is very much alive. He was a positive soul.
KING: How is he going to be remembered?
JACKSON: He's going to be remembered as a great humanitarian that cared about people, cared about life, and a great artist, and a humanitarian.
KING: And one of the greatest entertainers who ever lived, right? Where are you going to put him?
JACKSON: In Neverland.
KING: You keep going back to Neverland.
JACKSON: Yes, because it's a beautiful place. When you go -- Larry, you were there.
KING: I never expected it to be --
JACKSON: You felt his spirit. This is all his ideas. It's like his imagination. I want this there, that there. This is all him.
KING: We're going back to Neverland. Jermaine will tell us what it meant to Michael and why he won't give up on moving Michael's remains. That's next.
KING: Welcome back to this special edition of LARRY KING LIVE. We're marking the one-year anniversary of Michael Jackson's death. Jermaine Jackson returned to Forest Lawn with me for the first time since his brother was laid to rest there. It's a beautiful place. But Jermaine wants Michael at Neverland, as he told us during a visit there last year.
KING: Hi, Jermaine. Needless to say, this is unbelievable. Where are we?
JACKSON: We are at -- we are looking over Neverland. This is what he considered as the ultimate joy, the ultimate happiness, the ultimate wonderment, the ultimate peace. This is Neverland.
KING: And this is one small part of this whole picture, right?
JACKSON: Yes. This is one small part. There is so much more. there are other valleys beyond these hills here that are just flat surfaces. There's Mt. Katherine around here.
KING: Named for your mother. Is that it up there?
JACKSON: Yes, it's the part that's shaved off there, Mt. Katherine. It's just a place where we would come with all the children. And there would be birthdays and fun. Then the times when we wanted to get out here, it was booked for just busloads of just kids who were dying and this and that, less fortunate, wheelchairs. And the theme park is this way, beyond that way. And there's wheelchair ramps and just give kids that happiness.
KING: A lot of under-privileged and poor kids.
JACKSON: Under-privileged, poor, and they would have a wonderful time.
KING: What's that way?
JACKSON: That way is just where we used to take the quads, and go around and act crazy and ride horses and stuff. There's just so much land to still develop. But here is where he considered his happiness. This is what he felt that was --
KING: Did he see this first? How did he pick this place?
JACKSON: I understand when they did the video "Say, Say, Say." my sister Latoya was here and Paul McCartney and Michael and he really liked it. To back up, before that, I had a ranch in Hidden Valley, and Michael would come over. And he loved what I had out there, because I had swans and everything. He said, Jermaine, I'm going to buy a beautiful ranch one day, because he loved the ranch life. This is -- I think that's what inspired him to do this.
KING: Did he spend a lot of time here in the heyday? JACKSON: A lot of time. A lot of time.
KING: This is -- I don't think the general public would have any concept -- I'm feeling -- of what Neverland is. I think the thought would be that it's rides, games and toys. There was all that, right? But this is so much more.
JACKSON: Yes. See, with our family, Larry, we travel so much. I can see bits and pieces of different parts of the world here. That's what's great about --
KING: You see Europe here.
JACKSON: Oh, yeah. You see Filipino. You see all types of things. That's what Michael enjoys. He brought bits and pieces of those different places that he enjoyed into his haven.
KING: Therefore, what is it like for you to stand here now at this place that he loved so much and know he's gone?
JACKSON: Larry, it's so hard. But at the same time, I feel him.
KING: You do?
JACKSON: Yes. I feel his presence, because this is he -- this is his creation. This is his ideas. To come here and to feel him here, I'm happy. And I really felt and still feel that this is where he should be rested, because it's just him. It's so -- listen, it's serene. It's wonderful.
KING: What do you need a state thing to change that?
JACKSON: Larry, anything could be done today.
KING: The law says you have to be buried in a cemetery, right? I think that's the law.
JACKSON: Yes, but people who make the laws, they can also --
KING: They can change them.
KING: Well, this is obvious -- would be one of the magnificent burial places in the world.
JACKSON: It's gorgeous. Tell me what impression you had when you first came here.
KING: I couldn't believe it. I don't know what I was expecting.
JACKSON: That's the same impression I had the first time I came. It's the kind of place, when it's time to go, you don't want to leave. You want to hide. You want to chain yourself to a tree or something. You don't want to leave, because there's so much joy and so much happiness. Larry, at the same time, to think about that certain people tried to turn this into a negative place for him to bring kids here, and this and that, for the wrong reasons. And that disturbs us the most.
KING: That hurt him, didn't it?
JACKSON: Oh, it hurt him tremendously. Not only him, our whole entire family, because our kids come out here. There's candy, there's -- right in that space right, there where you see the little kid sitting on the Moon there, that's the grand station for this theme train to go from there to the theater, down that way. And he got the only steam operator in the nation to come here and work the steam train.
KING: Thank you for showing us this.
JACKSON: Thank you.
KING: I have never -- never expected it, nor have I ever seen anything quite like it.
JACKSON: Thank you so much, Larry.
KING: Thanks, Jermaine.
JACKSON: It means a lot to all of us, especially me. Thank you.
KING: Jermaine and I will show you Michael's mausoleum at Forest Lawn next.
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KING: Would Michael have chosen this, do you think? You want Neverland.
KING: You don't like him in here, right?
JACKSON: No, no. He needs to be somewhere special. Larry, I really feel that with what my brother has done just for people all around the world, there should be something special.
KING: Not inside --
JACKSON: A monument in D.C. for Michael Jackson.
KING: In Washington? JACKSON: Yes, absolutely. Not because of the music, because of the message in the music, and how it touched so many people. That's what it should be. But he should be laid to rest --
KING: Who decided here, though? Who said let's do it here?
JACKSON: Well, my mother and -- I think it was like because we needed to put him somewhere for the moment. But I think it's -- it's not too late.
KING: He can move.
JACKSON: To Neverland, right?
KING: Do the rest of the families have plots here?
JACKSON: Larry, plots.
KING: Plots. No, I mean --
JACKSON: Meaning -- no.
KING: Do you all want to be around each other?
JACKSON: I don't want to be here.
KING: I don't want to be anywhere.
JACKSON: No way.
KING: That's what Woody Allen said, I just don't want to be there when it happens.
JACKSON: I would love to -- oh, my God. I don't even want to talk about it.
KING: OK. What events are planned here on the anniversary day, when we are broadcasting this at night? A lot of people are expected, right?
JACKSON: Yeah. Well, it's probably going to be inundated with people, fans and things. I know the family is getting together and it's going to be great.
KING: You coming out at night or early in the day?
JACKSON: Probably in the middle.
KING: I hear there is going to be balloons, music. They're going to make it like a celebration, in a sense, of his life.
JACKSON: It's going to be exciting. But, at the same time, that's what he would want, a celebration.
KING: His ex-wife, Lisa Marie Presley, asked everyone to bring flowers. JACKSON: That's sweet. That's very, very sweet. Do you know when she was married to him, I really loved the idea of them being together.
KING: Two legends.
JACKSON: Yeah, yeah. And she was always nice to me in the times that I spoke to her. Yeah. No, but this corridor here, Larry, when you walk down this corridor, you hear this --
KING: I don't want to go in. They won't let me in. You can get in.
JACKSON: Yeah. And it's -- wow, you see, Larry? Look. Just look down. You see? Right at the end, that's where he is, right there.
KING: At the end of the corridor?
JACKSON: Right, right there.
KING: It looks like a little Shegal (ph) glassware.
KING: Can the camera see in there?
JACKSON: It's very cold in there, Larry. It's like marble. And you hear an echo when you walk.
KING: What are they like slabs?
JACKSON: There are people all up here.
KING: Names next to them?
JACKSON: Yeah. And see anyone that comes to see their loved one, they can stand right in front of Michael's site and say, Michael is right here.
KING: Clark Gable is here.
JACKSON: Take a picture. Yeah. Here are some flowers.
KING: Some flowers already.
JACKSON: Yeah. But that's where he is, Larry.
KING: Look at that setting.
JACKSON: It's so beautiful and peaceful. But Neverland is more peaceful than this.
KING: Stay well, Jermaine.
JACKSON: Thank you, Larry.
KING: You can find an excerpt from Katherine Jackson's new book "Never Can Say Good-Bye" at CNN.com/LarryKing. Thanks for joining us for this very special hour. We want to thank Jermaine and the entire Jackson family for their help and the people at Forest Lawn, too.
It's time now for "AC 360."