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Nancy Grace
Lindsay Lohan Gets 90 Days in Jail
Aired July 06, 2010 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Bombshell tonight. Hollywood superstar Lindsay Lohan`s string of wild, erratic behavior crashes to an end behind bars. After years of DUIs, alleged drug use, a judge brings down the hammer, sending Lindsay Lohan, the party girl who squandered an acting career, to the slammer, Lohan violating probation over and over, missing those (ph) mandatory alcohol counseling.
Lohan`s ankle SCRAM alarm goes nuts, alarming the night she parties at the MTV Movie Awards, alerting the court to alcohol use. Excuse? Somebody dropped a drink on her. Thumbing her nose at the judge, Lohan parties in France at the star-studded Cannes Film Festival instead of showing up in court, claiming she lost her passport and blaming volcanic ash. Then she`s busted, busted on video around 2:00 AM in micro-mini hot pants on a multi- million-dollar yacht on the French Riviera. Just hours ago, Lohan breaking down in court, sobbing, begging, whining. But this judge didn`t fall for the act.
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LINDSAY LOHAN, ACTRESS: I did do everything that I was told to do and did the best I could to, you know, balance jobs and showing up. I know that I was ordered to go once a week, and it wasn`t -- you know, I wasn`t missing the classes just to hang out or do anything like that. I was working, mostly in Morocco, the trip I was working with children. It wasn`t a vacation. It wasn`t some sort of a joke. And I respect everything and I`m taking it seriously!
And I appreciate the (INAUDIBLE) program that`s done so much to help me finish early because I wanted to make sure that I would come back here, making you happy and the court system and show that I meant everything (INAUDIBLE). I`m not taking this as a joke. It`s my life and it`s my career and it`s something I`ve worked for my entire life.
JUDGE MARSHA REVEL, SUPERIOR COURT: Thirty days in jail on the reckless driving case. Thirty days in jail on the first DUI case consecutive. And thirty days in jail on the second DUI case, consecutive. That`s 90 days in jail.
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GRACE: And breaking news tonight, live, Missouri. A beautiful 4- year-old little girl playing in her own front yard with her brother, Mommy and Daddy just go in to make dinner, snatched in seconds. Mommy, desperate, tries to chase the kidnapper`s car, a dark sedan, damage to the front, but Mommy couldn`t catch him. The little girl is gone. Tonight, the first 48 hours critical. Who snatched 4-year-old Alisa?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: An Amber Alert has been issued for a 4-year-old girl.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A massive search is under way.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m here about my granddaughter. She`s a really good girl, always smiling.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Alisa Maier was playing on her front lawn with her brother...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The parents were home when this happened.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... when a white male in a dark-colored four- door dark sedan approached and took the little girl.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our goal is to bring her back here to her family.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: According to a neighbor, Alisa`s mother desperately tried to catch up to the car.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We appreciate all the calls we have been getting. (INAUDIBLE) keep coming in.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A neighbor reportedly says her son was standing near the location of the abduction and saw a dark car circling the neighborhood for hours before Alisa was kidnapped.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We really haven`t limited the scope. We`re following all leads.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police and the FBI are working to locate the suspect, who Alisa`s brother described as a white male of unknown age, with dark hair.
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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. Hollywood superstar Lindsay Lohan`s string of wild, erratic behavior crashes to an end behind bars.
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LOHAN: I just wanted to take a minute to say that, you know, I -- as far as I knew, I was being in compliant with my program (INAUDIBLE) program.
I`ve learned from my experiences. I take responsibility for my actions. And I`ve tried to do the best I can in the past few weeks, since I was here last, which is the only time I`ve been, you know, present in front of a judge in any of my situations, in terms of this specific case. This is the only time I`ve actually -- you know, and honestly, it did wake me up.
Yes, of course, it scared me, and it also confused me because I was there thinking that it was OK that I missed those classes. I felt -- and I didn`t -- had I known differently, again, like I said, I would have taken it -- you know, I would have made sure that I was in town each week and I would have balanced my work around that because I`d rather, you know, be working in the long run, after all, than dealing with this kind of thing for the rest of my life.
I guess that`s, I mean, really all I had to say. It`s just been such a long haul, and I don`t want you to think that I don`t respect you and your terms because I really did think that I was doing what I was supposed to do (INAUDIBLE)
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GRACE: Working with children? What poor children are those? Straight out to Ken Baker, E! chief news correspondent, in court today. What happened, Ken?
KEN BAKER, E! NEWS (via telephone): Well, what basically happened was Lindsay Lohan took a swift kick to the you know what with the foot of justice. And even the most, I would say, cynical courtroom observers were pretty stunned and impressed that Marsha Revel, the judge in this case, literally threw the book at her.
The prosecutor went up and asked, I want 30 days sentencing for each of the three counts, and that`s exactly what she got, 30 days on three counts stemming from the 2007 convictions that she had, stemming from her DUI and the cocaine possession. And she is a very rattled girl right now. She left the courthouse just about an hour ago. She`s now back at her...
GRACE: Wait! Wait! Wait!
BAKER: ... condo in West Hollywood.
GRACE: Wait! Wait! Ken Baker, E! chief news correspondent, in court today, she is not a girl. This is a 23-year-old young woman who has gotten every break possible.
We are taking your calls live. And out to you, Alan Duke, CNN Wire entertainment reporter, also in court today, joining us out of LA. "Working with children" -- nobody answered that question. What children were allowed to be around Lindsay Lohan? She also said due to her work schedule. What work, shooting that porn movie about Linda Lovelace?
ALAN DUKE, CNN WIRE ENTERTAINMENT EDITOR: Yes, there were some real questions about really what she was doing, and nobody really checked. But she -- what the judge did was go back and look at the entirety of Lindsay Lohan`s history of the last four or five years. And all of the excuses, the judge said, she just was not taking responsibility and kept saying, Well, I`ve gotten the wake-up call and...
GRACE: OK. Well, hold on, Alan. When you say, using a lot of excuses, what excuses specifically are you referring to?
DUKE: Well, there was one time when she went to New York for a Haiti fund-raiser. Another time, she had to go to Europe for a trip. And of course, you know the lost passport excuse that we...
GRACE: Put Duke back up!
DUKE: ... that we`ve looked at in May.
GRACE: Alan Duke, I`m a little stunned, you being such a great reporter with CNN Wire entertainment, that you missed the excuse of when cocaine is found in her pants! In her pants!
DUKE: Those aren`t her pants.
GRACE: She said they weren`t her pants!
DUKE: They weren`t her pants, she said.
GRACE: Now...
DUKE: There were a lot of very creative excuses.
GRACE: I`m a little stunned you left that excuse out and did not list it as first. Did you mention the volcanic ash? Yes. OK. Did you mention the lost passport that she claimed her father hired, I guess, hit men to come steal her passport?
I mean, and then when the SCRAM -- give me a shot of that SCRAM. And Liz, do you think you can dig up one picture of Lindsay Lohan with the SCRAM on her ankle that is not of her in a bikini? Just try your best, Liz.
The SCRAM alarm bracelet alerts the probation department when she uses drugs or alcohol, if she does.
yes, that`s the one I asked you not to use, Liz. Try again. OK, there. At least that`s some hot pants, a little better than a bikini.
So she`s at MTV Movie Awards, or MTV -- yes, I think the MTV Movie Awards, and the SCRAM goes off around 12:30 AM. What was that about, Alexis Tereszcuk?
ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: Well, Lindsay`s excuse that night was that somebody spilled a drink on her. We`ve spoke with the SCRAM people We`ve spoken with experts. There is no way that if you just get alcohol on your skin that that tests positive for alcohol. It`s actually in your system, is what the SCRAM tests. And the judge said that today. The SCRAM came back positive. She violated her violation by consuming alcohol.
And that, in fact, cost her, I believe it was $20,000 that day when she violated the probation. Her bail was revoked. A bail bondsman went and paid the $20,000 for her. Once again, no consequences for Lindsay. She just thought she was going to throw money at everything, and it didn`t work today.
GRACE: I`m also interested in where the money`s coming from because at this point, she`s selling her clothes and designer handbags, bags that cost, like, $15,000 -- she`s selling them on line for about $50 to $100. Now, my big question is why you`d spend $15,000 on a pocketbook to start with, but that`s not the point today.
Out to the lines. Tina in Massachusetts. Hi, Tina.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy.
GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just want to say I lost my daughter (INAUDIBLE) in April to a drug overdose. And I begged the court system here in Massachusetts to help me to put her in rehab. I want to know what her parents are doing. Are they involved in this girl`s life at all, other than for her money? She needs help, or she is going to die, Nancy.
GRACE: Let`s go out to Dr. Leslie Austin, psychotherapist. You know, I hate to blame the parents for the actions of a 23-year-old woman, but this behavior, as Tina in Massachusetts is pointing out, has gone back to when she was a teen. Now, you`ve got Michael Lohan, who uses his daughter at every opportunity to have his own press conference. And then Dina Lohan, the mother, seems to want to party with the superstars, like her daughter. So true, they may not have been the best parents, but is it their fault still at this point?
LESLIE AUSTIN, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Well, no, it`s not a question of fault. Lindsay needs to be accountable for herself. But you`ve got to look at her entire life. Her family took advantage of her. They`ve lived off her. They`ve made a lot of money off of her. They`re all famous because of her. And she was not taught good, balanced values because they were all dysfunctional themselves.
GRACE: To Alexis Tereszcuk. Alexis, that was some performance in court today. Did you see the surprised look, the shock, the more excuses, and they seemed kind of heartfelt.
TERESZCUK: Hey, Lindsay absolutely was terrified today when she was begging for forgiveness from the judge. But it didn`t work. She begged her lawyers, Please Shawn (ph), help me. And again, that didn`t work, either. The judge was not putting up with any of her fear.
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LOHAN: Like I said, I mean, that`s really all I had to say. It`s just been such a long haul, and I don`t want -- I don`t want you to think that I don`t respect you and your terms because I really did think that I was doing what I was supposed to do, and I mean that with all my heart!
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LOHAN: I did do everything that I was told to do and did the best I could to, you know, balance jobs and showing up. I`m sorry!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is it OK if she sits down?
REVEL: Absolutely.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you want to sit down?
LOHAN: No. In terms of going more than once in a week, I know that I was ordered to go more than once a week. And I wasn`t -- you know, I wasn`t missing the classes just to hang out or do anything like that. I was working mostly in Morocco, the trip I was working with children. It wasn`t a vacation. It wasn`t some sort of a joke. And respect I your order and I`ve been taking it seriously!
I appreciate the (INAUDIBLE) programs that have done so much to help me finish early because I wanted to make sure that I would come back here, making you happy and the court system, and show that I meant everything I put into it. And going more than once in a week, I would try to do that only because I knew I had to work the next week, I figured. And as far as I knew, they were OK with this and it was still in compliance, that if I did three in a week or two in a week, then it would make up for the fact that if I had to work the next week, then that`s why I wouldn`t be there because I`ve already done them now. So I thought, as far as I knew, that was in compliance. Had I not known, had I been, you know, taken aside and told that in detail...
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GRACE: Not a joke? Cut her off, Liz! I want to see the hot pants photo. I want to see it. As much as I`ve asked you not to show it -- here`s Lindsay Lohan when she`s supposed to be in court, people. She`s in France, on the French Riviera, living it up. There`s a later shot of her at a party with a line of cocaine, or maybe it was baby powder, beside her on a table.
Liz, see if you can dig that up. There you go. Don`t bend over, Lindsay! That`s when she`s supposed to be in court. And today, she says she`s been working with children and she has been in a lot of "situations," i.e., court, today, finally, breaking down in front of the judge. The judge sends her to the slammer for 90 days, forced rehab -- there`s one of the parties she was at. Yes, that`s her in the photo. And there`s the alleged cocaine on a tray on a table to her left. Oh, thank you for showing it in full color. I needed that.
To Ash in New York. Hi, Ash.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. I just want to say Lucy and John David are so beautiful. They`re gorgeous.
GRACE: You know what? I really appreciate that. And when I see this girl completely out of control, I think, What went wrong?
Oh, there you go with the bikini shot, Liz. You know what? Other people can sit in that chair, in that line producer`s chair. There you go.
They are -- I really appreciate that, and I wonder how you go from being such a cute kid -- like, I saw her in "Parent Trap."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Me, too!
GRACE: I saw that movie 10 times, Ash! I loved it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I loved it, too, Nancy. And the thing is...
GRACE: What happened?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Here`s what I want to say. Addiction is a disease. So my question is, is this cruel and unusual punishment? Should she just be sentenced to rehab, or is prison really necessary?
GRACE: Wait! Wait! Wait! Ash! Ash! Ash! Ash!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, Nancy?
GRACE: She has gone to all sorts of fancy rehabs, some of them up to $60,000 a week. And -- look at that! What happened?
Unleash the lawyers. Joining us tonight, defense attorney Raymond Giudice, Atlanta, Richard Herman, defense attorney, New York. OK, Richard Herman, go ahead. Tell me how unfair the judge was. I`m ready. I`m sitting down. I think I better lay down, but go ahead.
RICHARD HERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: The shaggy "It wasn`t me" defense failed her finally, Nancy. This is not a wake-up call for her. She needs -- she`s going to be out of prison in less than a month. Understand that.
GRACE: I thought she was going to blurt out, "They weren`t my pants!" Oh, I`m sorry, wrong case.
HERMAN: That`s part of the shaggy defense -- It`s not me, It wasn`t me. Come on. Listen, she needs two years in Betty Ford. She needs to move in with Dr. Leslie Austin after that because, truthfully, she`ll be dead within a year, and nobody will be surprised!
GRACE: You know what? You know what, Giudice? I`ve got a feeling that this judge did what her mother should have done about six or seven years ago.
RAYMOND GIUDICE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes. Listen, my non-celebrity working- class clients would have been given this much time for one infraction on probation, let alone what she`s done. But I do want to say, in watching this presentation by her lawyer, it would have seemed that it would have some mitigation to show that she was actually employed and out of the country for real reasons, and not just partying. I don`t think they confronted that issue very well in court.
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LOHAN: I wasn`t expecting any special treatment, aside from the understanding that I have -- I have to provide for myself. I have to work. And my schedule, you know, unfortunately, is very different. And they were willing to work with me on that.
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LOHAN: I`m not taking this as a joke! It`s my life and it`s my career and something I`ve worked for my entire life. And you know, I`ve learned from my experiences. I take responsibility for my actions. And I`ve tried to do the best I can in the past few weeks since I was here last, which is the only time I`ve been, you know, present in front of a judge in any of my situations, in terms of this specific case.
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GRACE: Out to the lines. Susan in California. Hi, Susan.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi. How are you?
GRACE: I`m good, dear. What`s your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know, I just -- you know, I have a couple questions. One of my questions is -- I am a parent, and to have my child photographed with cocaine is a big, big red flag. I want to know how you feel about if your child was photographed with cocaine, and what measures - - I mean, it seems like her mom doesn`t care.
GRACE: You know what? When this photo was taken, she just -- Lindsay Lohan just turned 24 on Friday, is my understanding. So she was 23 at this shot. I don`t know what the mother or father can do at this juncture, this late point in her life, except what they did in the case of Britney Spears. When her life had totally gone out of control, she was taken into the hospital, as you will recall. Her father was put in place by a court as her conservator.
But very quickly, to you, Richard Herman and Raymond Giudice. Really and truly, what can a parent do when someone`s 23 years old, Richard Herman?
HERMAN: Well, not these parents because they`re both train wrecks. You need a responsible person. She has no support group around her, Nancy. A responsible family member or friend`s got to step up, maybe get a conservatorship over her.
GRACE: What about it, Ray?
GIUDICE: (INAUDIBLE) and that`s usually only for finances. You`re talking about trying to take a 24-year-old person and deny them their liberties and incarcerate them or put them in rehab because...
GRACE: Right.
GIUDICE: ... because you think it`s good for them. A judge is not going to grant that. She`s not even close.
GRACE: To Brad Lamm, certified interventionist at www.Bradlamm.com and author of "How to Change Someone You Love." You`re just the person we need to talk to, Brad Lamm. Weigh in.
BRAD LAMM, INTERVENTIONIST (via telephone): Well, you have a 24-year- old here, who without a doubt is from a troubled, complex group of folks. Her family is, like your previous guest said, sort of a train wreck.
But when you`re addicted, Nancy -- as you know, I was addicted for many years, too, and an intervention saved my life. And that`s what we`re trying to do through intervention is to take these two pieces of metal that are almost welded together and pry them apart to separate them. And that`s what you can do through intervention. So I would just encourage folks to rally the troops and step in and take no as a conversation starter when someone they love is in trouble.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: An Amber alert was issued for a 4-year-old girl who was kidnapped from just outside her own home.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have somewhere between 75 to 100 law enforcement officers involved in this recovery effort.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We really appreciate everybody getting together and trying to help us find her.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Little Alisa Maier was in her front yard playing with her brother when witnesses say --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A white male of unknown age driving a darkened- colored vehicle with front end damage.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: -- grabbed Alisa.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t personally know Alisa. I have children the same age.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Alisa is 3-foot tall with straight brown hair and brown eyes, last seen wearing a white shirt and blue jeans shorts.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please, anybody, if you know anything, call FBI, whoever you need to call. They`ll give you the numbers. You call them and let me know, because I want this baby back.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Probably have somewhere between 75 to 100 law enforcement officers, federal state and local involved in this recovery effort. We also have volunteers that are helping us. That number is probably up somewhere around 50.
It`s been a complete community effort from every standpoint. As far as from the FBI`s compliment, we have approximately about 30 agents here. That makeup, just to kind of give you an idea of what some of these agents do, is we have specialists in child abduction rapid deployment team. These are members that actually are trained and participate in abductions across the country.
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Please help. The tip line, 573-754-4021. 754- 4021.
This little girl, in her own front yard, with her brother, aged 6, playing. The mom and dad just go in to try to fix dinner. The little boy runs in and says, mommy, mommy, a man just took his sister. It happened just like that. She is gone.
The mother was sitting out on the front steps, crying. They couldn`t stop her. She ran and jumped in the car and took off, trying to chase down the kidnapper.
Can you imagine? Can you imagine being behind that wheel, just driving, blindly down the street, trying to find a car you didn`t see, that might have your 4-year-old little girl in it?
That`s what`s happening right now in Louisiana, Missouri.
Out to Ellie Jostad, our chief editorial producer. Ellie, what happened?
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE CHIEF EDITORIAL PRODUCER: Nancy, this was just last night. Alisa Maier, she`s just 4 years old, she`s out playing in the yard with her 6-year-old brother. He is the only witness that we know of, Nancy.
He says that a man, a white man with dark hair pulled up in a black car or a dark-colored car. He said that the man got out of the car, grabbed his little sister, and drove off. Now he just had a very vague description.
Like I said, white male, dark hair. Not sure of the age of the young man. They think he was in his early 20s. They also think the car could have had some hood or front end damage, but they don`t want anybody to rule anything out if they think they saw something suspicious last night.
GRACE: To Rupa Mikkilineni, isn`t it true that the neighbors saw for hours that afternoon -- this has al gone in the last 24 hours -- a dark car cruising the neighborhood for hours?
RUPA MIKKILINENI, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: That`s right, Nancy. Family and neighbors say after being interviewed by police that they witnessed somebody, and stranger, in a dark vehicle that they`ve never seen before circling, going around in circles in the neighborhood for hours before the child went missing and was abducted.
GRACE: Everyone, this went down in Louisiana, Missouri. Take a look. A missing girl, just 4 years old, kidnapped, snatched from her front yard, playing out there with her little brother.
Rupa, what can you tell me about a carnival that had been in town?
MIKKILINENI: Right. Police and investigators have been trying to figure out what kind of strangers would have been in this area at this time.
Now this is a very small town, Nancy. 3800 people. Everybody knows everybody. And this is the kind of town that people leave their doors open, unlocked, windows open. It`s not a crime-ridden neighborhood. And it`s a place where everyone knows everyone.
So the only strangers that may have been in town were just one or two days earlier this weekend when there was a carnival in town. So they`re suspecting, perhaps, that may have brought some strangers into town.
GRACE: With us right now, a very special guest. Carrie Doyle. This is Alisa`s aunt joining us from Louisiana, Missouri.
Miss Doyle, thank you for being with us. What is your understanding of what happened?
CARRIE DOYLE, AUNT OF ABDUCTED 4-YR-OLD GIRL, ALISA MAIER: Just only being told what was said and knowing what Blake had saw before she was taken away, just that he said a gentleman pulled up, maybe has said, you know, come here. He opened the door and just grabbed her and took off.
GRACE: So he said come here. Did he pull up into their driveway?
DOYLE: I -- I don`t think so. I believe that their vehicle was probably sitting in the driveway.
GRACE: OK. So this was -- that would mean that the car was on the street.
DOYLE: Yes.
GRACE: He probably opened the passenger door and the child probably just got close enough for the perp to grab her? Did he have to get --
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GRACE: He had to get out of the car, right?
DOYLE: I would say so. I mean, she`s -- she was a very shy child. I`m having a hard time believing that she would actually get close enough, without him actually having to get out of the car.
So I`m assuming, you know, what Blake has saw -- her brother -- that he probably has a really good description of what he looks like, if, you know, we can get something close, he can probably identify, you know, and say hey, this is the guy that took my sister.
GRACE: So right now all we`ve got is a white male with dark hair, a dark sedan car. Do we know if it`s two-door or four-door?
DOYLE: He thought -- Blake was saying it was a four door. You know, anything, I believe anything that comes close, you know, he is a child and the FBI did say, you know, he did give a really good description of everything, so I mean, I believe what he says. You know, I mean, he`s only the little eyewitness we have at this time when he say he took her.
GRACE: The other neighbors, Miss Doyle -- other neighbors said they observed a dark sedan circling the neighborhood for a couple of hours?
DOYLE: Yes, they said it was the neighbor`s daughters. They said they thought it was kind of strange that this car, you know, kept on driving around, driving around. I guess it was more than a couple of times so I guess it stuck out a little.
GRACE: Well, Carrie -- with me, everyone, is little Alisa`s aunt, Aunt Carrie Doyle, joining us out of Louisiana, Missouri.
Carrie, what was their description of the vehicle?
DOYLE: Same thing that Blake said. A dark car, four-door, sunroof, damage to the front.
GRACE: So hold on, this is --
DOYLE: So they thought the gentleman was light-colored, with blond crew cut hair. So I`m not sure.
GRACE: OK. But the -- the car, now we`re getting four door, possible sunroof, dark sedan. Were they -- were the older witnesses saying blue or black or brown?
DOYLE: They were saying black.
GRACE: Black. Four-door black, sedan, sunroof, damage to the front. Is that correct, Carrie?
DOYLE: Yes.
GRACE: Did anybody get a plate or whether it`s even the same state?
DOYLE: No. They`re -- no one knows for sure. I haven`t been told anything either. So I`m not sure if they got any other leads.
GRACE: Yes, does your state have an identifiable --
DOYLE: Yes, very identifiable tag.
GRACE: -- tag? What`s the tag look like?
DOYLE: "Missouri" is very big on the top, all the around the corners is blue and then our state bird is in the middle of it.
GRACE: Yes, I`ve seen that. I`ve seen that. What`s that bird in the middle? Don`t know? I`ll find out.
DOYLE: I`m not a very good Missourian.
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GRACE: No. No. No. I`m just trying to think.
Let`s go to Agent Mike Kaste, assistant special agent in charge, FBI, St. Louis division.
Agent Kaste, thank you very much for being with us.
Everybody, we`re taking your calls live.
Agent Kaste, what can you tell us tonight? We want to put as much information out there, because the first 48 hours, as you know, Agent Kaste, are extremely crucial. What can you tell us, Agent?
AGENT MIKE KASTE, ASST. SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE, FBI ST. LOUIS DIVISION: Well, that`s right, Nancy. I`ve been listening to your conversation and you`ve pretty much summarized everything.
I mean, right now, the one -- the major lead that we`re going on is we`re trying to identify who was here in the neighborhood and who potentially picked up Alisa, you know, some time after 7:20 p.m. last night.
GRACE: 7:20 p.m. Was it dark yet?
KASTE: No. You know, it really wasn`t that dark.
GRACE: OK. Because -- right, at this time of the year, it doesn`t get dark in a lot of areas until like 9:00 or 9:30. So it could have been just like daylight.
Everybody, joining us is Agent Mike Kaste. Special agent in charge of the FBI St. Louis division. Also with us, the aunt of the abducted little girl, Carrie Doyle.
We are taking your calls.
Please look at this girl. She`s only been gone about 24 hours. We may have a chance to save Alisa`s life. Her parents need your help. She was taken from Louisiana, Missouri, out of her own front. The tip line, 573-754-4021. Please help us.
As we go to break, we remember a wonderful friend from Texas, Brett Church. One year ago today he lost his life at just 38. An expert barbecuer, he loved new recipes, restoring muscle cars, especially his own classic souped-up mustang. Animal lover, rescued dozens of cats and dogs. Greatest joy, his son and his wife.
He leaves behind a grieving mother, our friend, Donna Kay, widow, Melanie, son, Dakota.
Brett Church. Good night, friend.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A little girl is missing and a community is very on edge.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Ultimately, our goal is to bring her back here to her family.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The suspect is believed to be in a black or dark-colored four-door sedan.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Police say Alisa Maier was abducted from her own front yard.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Alisa is 3-foot tall with straight brown hair and brown eyes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please, anybody, if you know anything, you let me know, because I want this baby back.
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GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Out to Francine in Florida. Hi, Francine.
FRANCINE, CALLER FROM FLORIDA: Hi. It`s an honor and a privilege to talk to you. I`ve waited two years to speak to you.
GRACE: Likewise. Thank you for calling in.
FRANCINE: I have to make a compliment before I get my comment in, because I really feel that you are a blessing to God and all of us for being such a huge crusader, and that`s why God blessed you with those two children. I really believe that`s true.
And if we have 10 or 20 more like you, maybe we can get somewhere. That`s what I wanted to say I love you, Nancy.
GRACE: You know what, Francine, I was just thinking about this case, and this little girl, and your kind words are just about enough to push me over the edge here. I`m just thinking about the little girl, you know, asking the abductor that she wants to go home to her mommy.
Like, when I leave the house, I can hear Lucy going, mommy, mommy. When I leave for work. And I`m just imaging, I`m trying not to imagine it too much.
FRANCINE: No. God forbid. Right.
GRACE: To imagine this child asking to go home to her mommy.
FRANCINE: Of course.
GRACE: Asking to go home. And the neighbors observed the vehicle for hours.
FRANCINE: For hours.
GRACE: Circling the neighborhood. And certainly, somebody has a description.
Francine, dear, what is your question?
FRANCINE: My question is -- well, actually, it`s a comment. I`ve been dealing with all these children. I mean, every time I turn around, there`s thousands I hear on the TV, I read it in the newspaper.
Not to be offensive to the American public, but it`s our fault because we don`t have the strict rules. If one time, just one time, a person`s got to hurt a child, they go away. We have thousands of predators that are surrounded by all kinds of neighborhoods where they can come and go as they please.
From the last time I looked, they`re not even supposed to be near a school. They figure, well, we`ll get a slap on the wrist and then we`ll be out. They have fun in jail. It`s not like a stickup robbery. They have fun in jail, these molesters, OK?
They -- s people think they get beat up. I personally think that they have, you know, fun in there. But if we were more strict -- I have a granddaughter that is outside her door, and my daughter is right there, and yet she could have been taken away.
And if she -- and she`s a one-time baby. My daughter can`t have any children. I think I would die. I just hope to God Almighty that this baby comes back. We swarm the neighborhood. And not just slap him on the wrist.
That`s what we do. We just -- all we do in our country, our beautiful country, is slap these animals on the wrists. And that`s it.
GRACE: Francine, you`re right. You are right. The only thing that a prosecutor can do is try to get hard jail time. That`s all they can do because the laws are stacked against the prosecution. The Constitution is in favor of the defendant.
They get out on parole. They get probated sentences. And out of all the perps I have ever prosecuted, Francine, all of them, I`m telling you, I don`t care what a bunch of defense attorneys tell you or a bunch of shrinks off Park Avenue say, they cannot be rehabilitated.
They can`t. That`s just like telling a dog to be a cat. It`s not going to happen. He can`t do it.
I want to go back to Pat Brown, criminal profiler, author of "The Profiler."
Pat, help us out. Who do you think this guy is?
PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER, AUTHOR OF "THE PROFILER": This is a truly scary crime. Just let your child play on your lawn and some guy comes by and takes her.
I believe that car circling shows to me, it`s not somebody from the neighborhood. Not one of the guys who lives around, who passes by every day and can pick his time when he wants to.
This guy was hunting for a child for hours and hours. He`s not from there. I think he`s from out of town. I`d be checking those motels in the area to see if he pulled into one of those or if he`s on the road right now, they`ve really got to get that -- you know, get out there and find this guy.
GRACE: But what about the theory that predators strike where they are familiar. Could this be somebody from the next town, from another neighborhood?
BROWN: It`s possible, but I almost feel like this guy is really passing through, like he had some reason to be around the town, for business or whatever purposes, was lurking in the area, and decided to travel around some area and see where he could find a kid.
He spent too many hours there to even be familiar with the place. So it seemed to me that he was just working and working and working that neighborhood until he just -- he really wanted a kid and he finally found one.
GRACE: To Bruce McCain, former captain of the Multnomah County Sheriff`s Office, joining us out of Portland.
Weigh in, McCain.
BRUCE MCCAIN, FMR. CAPTAIN, MULTNOMAH COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE; ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, thanks for having me, and I actually agree with the last caller. If you look at the map of where this town is, it`s not located on an interstate freeway, but just as importantly, it`s right next to the Mississippi River.
So hopefully when this Amber alert went out, it not only went out to the state of Missouri but also the state of Illinois. You`ve got about 2.5 million people just down the road in St. Louis, so it`s very encouraging to see the FBI Strike Force also flew out, just like they did here in Portland where the Kyron Horman case is happening in my backyard.
GRACE: To Dr. Evelyn Minaya, health expert joining us out of New York.
Dr. Minaya, a 4-year-old. Let`s just say, optimistically, he put her out. That she`s alive. Can she fend for herself?
DR. EVELYN MINAYA, M.D., WOMEN`S HEALTH EXPERT: It`s going to be a little difficult. You know, the weather has not been that helpful either. It`s very hot outside. There`s dehydration issues. There`s also hunger issues.
She`s also a 4-year-old little girl. What does she know about her sense of direction? Who is she going to trust after being abducted by someone who she didn`t even know either? So it`s going to be hopefully -- you know, she is -- you know, by us communicating with everybody, that we can get out of there and hopefully, you know, bring her home.
GRACE: To Melissa in Georgia. Hi, Melissa. What`s your question?
MELISSA, CALLER FROM GEORGIA: Hi. First, Nancy, I`d like to say, you know, I love your show. And I appreciate everything that you do.
GRACE: Thank you, dear.
MELISSA: Yes, and my question is, if the neighbor actually saw a dark car circling for a couple of hours, why didn`t he contact the authorities?
GRACE: Good question. I want to go to Dr. Leslie Austin. A lot of people don`t act because they assume it`s something innocent like somebody looking for an address or looking for directions.
DR. LESLIE AUSTIN, PSYCHOTHERAPIST: Right. Especially in a town like that. You have to say why would they? It`s a safe, normal town. They don`t expect anything like this.
And I pray that this little girl is found, someone sees her and she`s brought home safely.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Police say Alisa Maier was taken from her front yard last night.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: White male of unknown age driving a darkened -- dark in color vehicle.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a very tight knit community.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Parents were home when this happened.
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GRACE: Rupa, what are police doing to try to find the perp and the little girl?
MIKKILINENI: They`ve canvassed the neighborhood, Nancy. They have surveillance video which they are reviewing. They`re being very -- they`re being very quiet about where that surveillance video was obtained from.
GRACE: Got it. To the lines, Patty in Alabama. Hi, Patty.
PATTY, CALLER FROM ALABAMA: Hi.
GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?
PATTY: I wanted to know if they did -- they put on the side of the TV, the different sex offenders in that area?
GRACE: Right.
PATTY: There was one with the last name Doyle?
GRACE: Right.
PATTY: Is he any relation to the Aunt Carrie?
GRACE: Not to my knowledge, no relation. I do know there are eight sex offenders less than one mile from her home.
But as Pat Brown, profiler and author, pointed out this guy was cruising. Either he didn`t know the neighborhood very well or he was just simply looking for a child.
To Carrie Doyle, the aunt of Alisa. What more can you tell us, Carrie? We want to help.
DOYLE: What was that again?
GRACE: What more can you tell us?
DOYLE: That she is a very sweet girl. She`s very happy. She smiles all the time. One thing that they haven`t said is that she has a very visible scar on her forehead. I don`t know, I just --
GRACE: How are her mom and dad holding up?
DOYLE: As far as right now, they`re doing OK. My sister`s pretty much beside herself as we speak. So when it comes to speaking out, I`m not sure she can be much of words at this time.
GRACE: Everyone, take a look at this little girl, Alisa Maier, only three feet tall. Brown hair, brown eyes, white t-shirt, shorts. Tip line 573-754-4021.
Let`s stop and remember Army Corporal William Jared Crouch, 21, Zachary, Louisiana, killed Iraq. Awarded the Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Army Commendation, National Defense Service medal.
Loved kickboxing, martial arts, playing pool with friends. Favorite movies "300" and "Rambo." Favorite song to dance to? "Thriller." Dreamed of a history degree. Leaves behind mother Kathy, stepfather James, four brothers, one serving the Army.
William Jared Crouch, American hero.
Thanks to our guests, but especially to you for being with us.
And please, tonight, your prayers for little Alisa.
I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern, and until then, good night, friend.
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