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Nancy Grace
Lindsay Lohan Reports to Jail Tomorrow
Aired July 19, 2010 - 20:00 ET
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JEAN CASAREZ, GUEST HOST: We begin tonight with breaking news, as Hollywood superstar Lindsay Lohan is just hours away from having to turn herself in to jail, Lohan set to begin serving a 90-day sentence for violating probation, Lohan reportedly scrambling to make it all go away, hiring high-powered criminal defense lawyer Robert Shapiro and checking herself into rehab.
While Shapiro says Lohan must serve her time, reports are surfacing that Lohan is still in denial that she`s even going to jail. But is it going to work this time? We uncover Lohan`s history of repeatedly -- repeatedly -- entering rehab, then falling off the wagon, racking up more DUI charges. Lohan on the verge of trading her luxury Hollywood apartment and designer clothes for 12-by-8 private jail cell, an orange jumpsuit, one -- that`s right, one -- hot meal a day and a shower every other day. Lohan`s deadline is 8:30 AM tomorrow morning. Tonight, the clock is ticking.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It seems like the world`s just obsessed with everything that you do.
LINDSAY LOHAN, ACTRESS: I`m flattered!
JUDGE MARSHA REVEL, LOS ANGELES SUPERIOR COURT: Thirty days in jail on the reckless driving case...
LOHAN: Are you kidding me?
REVEL: ... thirty days in jail of the first DUI case consecutive...
LOHAN: I don`t believe this.
REVEL: ... and thirty days in jail on the second DUI case consecutive.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s so annoying.
REVEL: That`s 90 days in jail.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, right.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She had this look of shock and dismay on her face as her sentence of 90 days in jail is handed down.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It seems she doesn`t really think this is going to happen.
LOHAN: Oh, I don`t want to jinx myself. Let`s not talk about that!
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There`s no question she`s going to jail.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lindsay Lohan has checked herself into this sober living facility.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is she doing this just so she can get out of going to jail?
LOHAN: It was a little to0 late.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She must comply with the jail time.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tomorrow, Lindsay Lohan turns herself in.
LOHAN: Hi. I`m Lindsay Lohan.
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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Jean Casarez of the legal network "In Session" on the truTV network, in for Nancy Grace. Thank you so much for joining us. Breaking news tonight. The clock -- it`s ticking. Hollywood superstar Lindsay Lohan is just hours away from having to turn herself in to jail.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What`s the biggest misconception about Lindsay Lohan?
LOHAN: That I`m out all the time and I`m irresponsible.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tomorrow is Lindsay Lohan`s date with jail.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She pled guilty to two counts of misdemeanor DUI.
LOHAN: Right now, it`s just all fun and games to me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She pled no contest to two counts of driving with a blood-alcohol level over .08.
LOHAN: Everyone has their ups and downs.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She also pled no contest to a reckless driving charge.
LOHAN: It`s so silly. Who cares?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In less than 24 hours now, actress Lindsay Lohan has to appear to jail.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Going into the silver (ph) house...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: According to her probation report, which we got our hands on, she`s taking Nexium, Zoloft...
LOHAN: You can`t help it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We know that rehab in the past hasn`t worked.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... Trazadone, Adderall and sometimes Dilaudid.
LOHAN: You don`t know any better.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She did go to rehab three times, going back three years ago.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s an addict.
LOHAN: It`s no one`s fault.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She is not leaving this facility until Tuesday, when she does, in fact, turn herself in.
LOHAN: This is insane.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The clock is ticking for Lindsay Lohan.
LOHAN: It`s very overwhelming.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The actress has to report to jail tomorrow to serve her 90-day sentence.
LOHAN: Sounds bad, and I hope it doesn`t happen again.
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CASAREZ: Let us go straight out to Marlaina Schiavo, who is standing by live in Los Angeles, California. She`s at the jail, at the Century Regional Detention Facility in Lynnwood. Marlaina, what`s the latest?
MARLAINA SCHIAVO, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: The latest, Jean, is that the countdown is on. We are just moments away from Lindsay Lohan. She is supposed to turn herself in to the facility right behind me. Tomorrow morning 8:30, she`s going to show up at a Beverly Hills courthouse. And this is when she is supposed to be processed and brought to the facility behind me so she can serve her 90 days behind bars.
CASAREZ: So Marlaina, isn`t it correct that she has to actually turn herself in to a courtroom, where she will be remanded into custody? We believe that judge will be on the stand at the time, correct?
SCHIAVO: We believe the judge will be there. But Jean, we also found out that the judge doesn`t even have to be there. But we know that her new high-powered attorney, Robert Shapiro, will be in court tomorrow with Lindsay.
CASAREZ: That`s right, and we also think that judge will not miss this, she will be on the bench.
To Carlos Diaz, syndicated radio host and journalist, standing by also in Los Angeles. What can we expect to happen tomorrow?
CARLOS DIAZ, SYNDICATED RADIO HOST, JOURNALIST: I don`t think you`re going to see too much of Lindsay Lohan out. You know, there have been some rumblings, Well, you know, no press is bad press for Lindsay. Wouldn`t she want to capitalize on this? But I don`t think Lindsay, if she`s in her right mind would, want that lasting image of her actually going into jail, which would be replayed over and over again. So I would suspect, if Lindsay`s smart, heavily tinted windows, into the courtroom, and then, hopefully, for Lindsay`s sake, no video of her being transported to the jail.
She may even try to pull a Paris Hilton. Paris kind of snuck into jail in the middle of the night. So Lindsay`s got that option, too, as far as trying to stay away from the prying eye of the photographers.
CASAREZ: To Melanie Bromley, West Coast bureau chief of "US Weekly," also live in Los Angeles with us. What is the mental state of Lindsay Lohan tonight?
MELANIE BROMLEY, "US WEEKLY": Well, she`s still in denial. I`ve spoken to a lot of people over the past few days who are in contact with her, and she really felt like she was going to be able to avoid this. She really felt like by going into a sober living facility that she was going to somehow persuade the judge that she should go straight into rehab and not face jail. But unfortunately, that plan has not worked for her.
CASAREZ: All right, let`s go out to the lawyers, Gloria Allred standing by in Los Angeles, attorney and victims` right advocate, Paul Batista, defense lawyer and author of "Death`s Witness" out of New York, and Jason Oshins, defense attorney also out of the New York jurisdiction.
To Gloria Allred, first to you. Lindsay Lohan had a tremendous criminal defense attorney, Shawn Chapman Holly, very, very respected in Los Angeles. But she up and left her, or the attorney left Lindsay. We know it was very public, a public notice, that she would no longer be her attorney. Why have a new attorney if you didn`t want different result?
GLORIA ALLRED, VICTIMS` RIGHTS ATTORNEY: Well, it`s likely that she did want a different result, but it`s also possible that she couldn`t find any attorney to file an appeal. It`s also possible that no attorney would think that she had a good chance on appeal or that this sentence would be stayed if the appeal were filed. So it may be that she settled on Robert Shapiro, a very well respected attorney, as you said, for criminal defense, very experienced, and also an attorney who has had a great deal of experience with drug issues and addiction issues because his own son, unfortunately, died as a result of an addiction issue.
CASAREZ: That is so true. Everybody, we want to tell you we`re looking at pictures right now from Bravo`s "Double Exposure." That`s Lindsay Lohan right there, and it is "Double Exposure," what you`re looking at pictures from.
To Paul Batista, defense lawyer out of New York. But the fact, is Robert Shapiro made a very public statement on Friday, saying that he only accepted Lindsay Lohan when she would agree to adhere to what the judge was ordering. Jail is mentioned in his letter and also rehab facility. So why sign on with him if he is demanding that you comply with the judge?
PAUL BATISTA, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It seems profoundly strange to me, Jean. You hire a lawyer to stay out of jail. You hire a lawyer to take appeals. You hire a lawyer to deal with a criminal problem. It seems fundamentally strange to me -- and I respect Shapiro a great deal -- that he would be ushering his client into prison.
CASAREZ: That`s right. Let`s take a caller. Krysten out of California. Krysten, how are you? Good evening. What part of California?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Los Angeles, in the heart of all this drama.
CASAREZ: Oh, what`s going on there? Is everybody focused on it?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Everybody is around that rehab center. It`s, like, you`d would swear the president was there. It`s kind of ridiculous.
CASAREZ: Your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. I have two questions. First, I think you`re fierce (ph) and I love your work. And my two questions -- number one, is there any possible way that she can avoid jail time tomorrow? I mean, I don`t know what this talk is about an appeal, but can they turn it around so she doesn`t have to go? And my second question is if she turns herself in tomorrow, INAUDIBLE) actually go to jail, does she go right at that moment, or does she -- can she go at her discretion?
CASAREZ: Such good questions, Krysten. To Jason Oshins, defense attorney. First of all, is it over, or is it not over? Because she has to turn herself in to a courtroom, Los Angeles superior court. The judge, we believe, will be on the bench. Judge isn`t going to have her come in a courtroom without her being on the bench. That reserves time for argument. Could her attorney try to turn this around in some way?
JASON OSHINS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: He could try. Mr. Shapiro could try at the last minute. He could make some application to the court based on his pedigree. He might be properly positioned to make that plea on her behalf. As Gloria mentioned, his son passed five years ago because of an addiction problem. So there is that possibility that the judge might hear him.
If not, she`s going right in, which was the second part of the caller`s question. She`s going right on. She`s be processed and moved right along as any other criminal would be.
CASAREZ: But to Gloria Allred. Let`s continue with Krysten`s comment and question out of California. If she`s remanded into custody from that courtroom in Los Angeles, then she`s not going to drive herself to the facility in Lynnwood, right? She`s going to be in a van, along with other inmates possibly, or at least one they are transported in?
ALLRED: Yes. She`ll be transported, and I don`t know whether there`ll be other inmates in the van. Reportedly, there won`t be other inmates in her cell and she won`t be mixing with them once she gets to the jail.
But I do want to say one thing about Robert Shapiro`s facility, where she is currently residing. A caller said that it was a rehabilitation facility, but reportedly, it is not a rehabilitation facility. It is a sober living facility, and that is a place where people go to live sober after they have been rehabilitated. But she hasn`t been rehabilitated yet. And so I think it`s unlikely that the judge is going to say she can stay there instead of going to jail.
CASAREZ: Right. Right. Marlaina Schiavo, standing by live at the jail in Lynnwood, California, Century Regional Detention Facility. What can she expect when she gets to jail?
SCHIAVO: She can expect what every other inmate expects, Jean. She will have a booking photo. They will fingerprint her. They will give her her new clothes, which will not be street clothes. It will be the uniform that everybody else is wearing. She will have a full body search, Jean.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Judge Marsha Revel said if she`s not in compliance with her probation, requiring alcohol classes, that she would go to jail.
LOHAN: You want to be (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Actress Lindsay Lohan has one more day of freedom before she reports to jail.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... actress Lindsay Lohan...
LOHAN: My court date is coming up this week.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... checking herself into rehab to avoid the slammer?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We know that rehab in the past hasn`t worked.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is not a treatment facility. This is a sober living environment, which is a completely different animal.
LOHAN: (INAUDIBLE) should be able to start a film again so I can have this all put behind me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The hope is that the judge will lessen her sentence.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... get rid of the jail time altogether...
LOHAN: I don`t see why I`ve got to go to prison.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The clock is ticking for Hollywood superstar Lindsay Lohan.
LOHAN: I got into this because I enjoy acting, not because I enjoy going to court.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There aren`t enough rules for her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lindsay, look, you`re going to jail.
LOHAN: It sucks. It`s horrible.
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CASAREZ: I`m Jean Casarez of "In Session," in for Nancy Grace tonight. Within hours, Lindsay Lohan is set to be in a courtroom not to just turn herself into the jail in Lynnwood, but in a courtroom to face a judge, to be remanded into custody to begin her jail sentence.
I want to go out to Brad Lamm, certified interventionist and author of "How to Change Someone You Love."
BRAD LAMM, INTERVENTIONIST: Hi, Jean.
CASAREZ: Hi. Good evening. I understand you just got an e-mail from Robert Shapiro?
LAMM: I did. You know, this morning, I communicated with Bob. And you know, I think long before he was famous for stuff he did with the O.J. Simpson case, he was a dad. And that day in 2005 when his son, Brent, was lost to a drug overdose, I think it was, of course, a profound change on him and the life of that family. So I believe that when he stepped into this case with Lindsay Lohan, it was more as a role of a dad really with care and concern for this girl who`s in trouble, more than the person that we`re watching all the drama unfold around on television.
CASAREZ: I think that`s such a good point because Robert Shapiro lost his son to drugs, and I think the heartfeltness of his participation -- I think that`s very, very evident. And we all want the best for Lindsay Lohan. I mean, we want her to open up rehab facilities around the country, as we heard was one of her goals, right?
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LAMM: I don`t know. That`s...
CASAREZ: But we need to seen an indication (INAUDIBLE)
LAMM: That`s not my short-term hope for her. My short-term hope is that she straightens her life out. You know, she`s not unique in this way, that she`s full of denial. I think the next 24 hours are going to be a really rough go for her. And I`m actually grateful that she`s going to at least be safe behind bars tomorrow and her medications are not going to be in her possession.
That`s a big fallacy I think so many people -- they think, someone they love has prescription medications, a doctor prescribed them...
CASAREZ: Right.
LAMM: ... and they think, Oh, that`s -- you know, it`s OK.
CASAREZ: Such as Nexium, Zoloft, Trazadone, Adderall, and sometimes Dilaudid for dental pain. We`re going to go into that in just a second.
Let`s go to a caller, though. Tammy in California. It`s a California night tonight! Hi, Tammy.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi. How are you?
CASAREZ: I`m fine. Where are you from? What part?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) California.
CASAREZ: Azusa? OK. What`s your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My friend came out of the Lynnwood jail, and she said that it`s so overcrowded that they`re only actually doing 10 percent of the time that they`re supposed to serve. Do you actually think she`s going to do a full 90 days, you know, or you know, she`s going to be treated like everyone else?
CASAREZ: OK. All right. Good, good question. Let`s go out to Tom Shamshak, former police chief, private investigator, now an instructor at Boston University, joining us from Boston. We know there`s jail overcrowding. We know this is not a violent felony. It was believed that she`s going to serve 25 percent. She`s been sentenced to 90 days in jail. How much do you think, in reality, she will serve?
TOM SHAMSHAK, FORMER POLICE CHIEF: Jean, good evening. Nice to be with you again.
CASAREZ: Thank you.
SHAMSHAK: The reality is that there are overcrowded conditions across the country. I do think she will serve some time. And again, it will be dictated by the -- you know, the media pressure here, the public pressure. She`s going to serve somewhere between 20 percent and 25 percent of her time, based on my situation -- my analysis of the situation.
CASAREZ: But to Gloria Allred in Los Angeles. Here`s the problem. The jail has jurisdiction of her once she`s remanded into custody. For Paris Hilton, after 4 days of a 45-day sentence, they let her out.
ALLRED: They did, and LA county sheriff Lee Baca got a lot of heat as a result of it and ended up having to appear before a judge or -- who questioned the decision to let her out so early or, like, to place her in medical care in the jail. So my guess is that she`s going to end up having to serve the same amount of time as any other inmate would. She`ll get released early, but no earlier than anyone else.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The clock is ticking for Lindsay Lohan.
LOHAN: I want to be a good role model.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... shock and dismay...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lindsay Lohan is in some sort of denial.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... Lindsay Lohan in jail...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She has to appear to jail to serve her 90-day sentence.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... Lohan`s final moments of freedom...
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LOHAN: People can feel bad. You can go through things. I`ve gone through so much.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Actress Lindsay Lohan has one more day before she reports to jail.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s a drug addict. She needs help.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... the troubled starlet...
LOHAN: I wouldn`t be where I am without going through those ups and downs.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lindsay, are you worried about going to jail at all?
LOHAN: I wasn`t expecting any special treatment.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lohan allegedly told friends, quote, I`m not going to jail.
LOHAN: I`m not taking this as a joke. It`s my life!
I don`t regret anything.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s going to jail.
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CASAREZ: I`m Jean Casarez of the legal network "In Session" on the truTV network, in for Nancy Grace tonight. I want to go straight out to Melanie Bromley, West Coast bureau chief of "US Weekly." What is this about a late afternoon meeting between Robert Shapiro and the judge?
BROMLEY: There are reports that Shapiro has had a secret meeting with the judge this afternoon, and there could be a number of reasons for that. Number one, he could be trying to work out when Lindsay will surrender and organizing that. And the other thing it could be that they could be talking about is Lindsay`s stints in rehab afterwards and trying to make arrangements for that. But there are reports he`s been at courthouse. There have been some spottings, and so it`s something that`s just developing now.
CASAREZ: But to Paul Batista, defense attorney, author of "Death`s Witness" out of the New York jurisdiction. First of all, number one, that would be an ex parte meeting, meaning the prosecution is not there. Is that fair?
BATISTA: It`s not...
CASAREZ: And number two, the psychologists that have been court- appointed have to assess what rehab facility she`s going to go to, and they`re doing that while she`s in jail.
BATISTA: Absolutely, Jean. It is -- it is not fair. And frankly, no matter what the reports are, it really isn`t conceivable that any lawyer in America can have a private ex parte meeting with a judge to discuss a client. The prosecution has a right to be there and participate in that conference.
CASAREZ: That`s right. And the judge has already made her orders, and the orders are that she shows up to court tomorrow.
To Beverly in New York. Hi, Beverly. Good evening. We`ve got a New York caller now. How are you?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m fine. How are you?
CASAREZ: I`m fine.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just wanted to tell you, Jean, I think the work do you is wonderful.
CASAREZ: Oh, thank you. You`re too kind.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re welcome.
CASAREZ: Your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My question is, will Lindsay be able to continue taking her prescription drugs while she`s in jail?
CASAREZ: Beverly, thank you so much. To Dr. Panchali Dhar, M.D., internal medicine, author of "Before the Scalpel." Here we go, her prescription medications. What`s going to happen to all of them? Nexium, Zoloft, Trazadone, Adderall and sometimes Dilaudid because of dental pain. What`s going to happen?
DR. PANCHALI DHAR, INTERNAL MEDICINE: OK, well, let`s go through her medications. It perplexes me on why she`s on Dilaudid, which is a potent, highly addictive narcotic, 10 times stronger than morphine. Nobody takes that for dental pain. At the most, people take Percocet, Vicodin for three days. Then she`s on Trazadone, which is a sedative anti-depressant. Of course, she`s going to feel tired and sedated.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: One more day of freedom.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Lindsay Lohan`s real-life drama.
LINDSAY LOHAN, ACTRESS: I`m sorry. Doing this kind of stuff. OK. Now we have like everyone running in.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Lohan was arrested twice for DUI.
JUDGE MARSHA REVEL, SUPERIOR COURT, BEVERLY HILLS: She was subsequently arrested for driving under the influence again.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A 90-day sentence.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Ninety-day jail sentence.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Ninety days.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Ninety days.
LOHAN: I would come back here making you happy and the court system.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The performance that she gave in court was Oscar worthy.
LOHAN: Did you like it? It`s my career. I got into this to be an actress. Special treatment was given.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Final moments of freedom.
REVEL: Thirty days of jail on the second DUI case.
LOHAN: I wasn`t missing the classes. It`s just to --
REVEL: That`s 90 days in jail.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Extra five minutes.
LOHAN: I think there`s a way of doing it gradually. I guess that`s - - I mean, that`s really all I had to say. It`s just a blast. We`ll see what happens.
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JEAN CASAREZ, GUEST HOST: I`m Jean Casarez of "In Session" on the truTV network in for Nancy Grace tonight.
Let`s go straight out to Marlaina Schiavo, NANCY GRACE producer, who is standing by live in Lynnwood, California. She`s at the jail. Century Regional Detention Facility.
Marlaina, take us through exactly what we expect will happen tomorrow.
MARLAINA SCHIAVO, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Tomorrow morning, Jean, Lindsay Lohan will show up in the Beverly Hills courthouse at 8:30 sharp with her attorney and that is when she will be sent off to the facility behind me.
She will be processed at the courthouse first. Then she`ll be escorted here, and then they will process her here, and then she will start her 90-day sentence.
She will be separate from the rest of the inmates for her own protection, and she will spend 22 hours a day in her cell every day of her sentence.
CASAREZ: And is it true that she`ll only have one hot meal a day?
SCHIAVO: That`s true. She`ll have three meals throughout the day, but the only hot meal served to her will be at dinnertime which is at 5:30.
CASAREZ: And a shower every other day?
SCHIAVO: And a shower every other day. However, she will have one hour of recreational time, and at that time she can opt for a hot shower, if she wants to, Jean.
CASAREZ: All right. To Carlos Diaz, syndicated radio host and journalist out of Los Angeles. You know, when we think of Paris Hilton, we think of someone that actually turned herself in in the middle of the night at the same facility in Lynnwood, California.
Why do you think the judge in this case actually ordered her to go to the courtroom where she would be remanded into custody?
CARLOS DIAZ, SYNDICATED RADIO HOST & JOURNALIST, COVERING STORY: That`s a great question. I mean you have to hope that Robert Shapiro is coaching her to say you are going to go to jail. Cameras will be on you. You have to act like you know what you`re doing and not have the same emotions that you had when you were sentenced to your 90-day jail sentence.
But keep in mind one thing. Society wants to see her pay for whatever she did, for her DUIs in 2007. Society wants to see her spend time behind bars. Lindsay Lohan`s career is not over.
Do not forget. Robert Downey Jr. spent hard time behind bars, and he`s got the biggest hit of the summer in "Iron Man 2." Lindsay Lohan can revive her career if she does her time behind bars, gets out after three weeks and then, voila, September 9th, it`s the premiere of her new movie "Machete."
She hits the red carpet and if she says she`s learned her lesson, America begins to forgive.
CASAREZ: You know, Carlos, you make some really good points. I want to go to Brad Lamm, certified interventionist, author of "How to Change Someone You Love."
Let`s look at these charges, the events that happened, the time line because she pleaded guilty to two DUIs, driving under the influence, driving in a vehicle.
BRAD LAMM, CERTIFIED INTERVENTIONIST, AUTHOR OF "HOW TO CHANGE SOMEONE YOU LOVE": Right.
CASAREZ: Vehicle, deadly weapon. She hit a tree, right? She could have hit a person. She could have killed a person.
LAMM: Well -- and Jean, you hit the nail on the head. That finally, albeit four years later, finally some consequences are coming from those actions, and I think that`s a blessing here that finally the judge stood up as an adult and said hey, time is up.
I don`t care that you say that you don`t have a problem with drugs or alcohol. You look like a duck, you quack like a duck, we have a duck here and she needs to get help so.
CASAREZ: Right. And she`s been in three rehab facilities. She went to Wonderland in January and February 2007.
LAMM: And I -- I know. And I know the time line and it looks discouraging for folks who have someone they love who is an addict. And sometimes it`s the fifth time that`s the charm and sometimes it`s the first time.
I mean, I went to rehab in `02 or `03 and it took one time and it changed my life so -- you know you never know when the miracle is going to happen.
CASAREZ: Right.
LAMM: But I like that there`s some consequences and that she`s going to be safe and sound at least behind bars tomorrow night.
CASAREZ: Do you have any indication, anything you see as a professional that this will be the time?
LAMM: Well, I like Pickford Lofts. I like where she is right now in that at least she`s safe. It is not a typical rehab environment but it`s different than what she was doing a couple of weeks ago which was out to 4:00 or 5:00 in the morning.
Look, when you`re trying to help somebody reboot their lives from drugs and alcohol addiction, like right now she`s saying, I don`t have a problem. So you`re right up against what you have with most addicts which is denial and it`s that thing that`s a shift in spirit that makes someone able to walk free from active addiction.
And, you know, I wish there was a magic pill but there`s not.
CASAREZ: Right, right. To Donna in Rhode Island. Hi, Donna, good evening.
DONNA, CALLER FROM RHODE ISLAND: Hello, Jean.
CASAREZ: Hi.
DONNA: Thank you for taking my call.
CASAREZ: Of course. Your question.
DONNA: You might want to address this to a psychologist.
CASAREZ: Mm-hmm.
DONNA: Both Lindsay Lohan and I in no way supporting their problems, and Mel Gibson have issues, but it seems like there`s a lot of drama in their expressions. I`m just wondering, what do you think the line between the problem and the drama is?
CASAREZ: That`s a deep question, Donna. That`s really good.
To Dr. Doug Bremner, professor of psychiatry and radiology out of Atlanta, author of "Before You Take That Pill." Where`s the line there between the drama and the actual psychological issues?
DOUG BREMNER, M.D., PROFESSOR OF PSYCHIATRY & RADIOLOGY, AUTHOR OF "BEFORE YOU TAKE THAT PILL": Well, Jean, I think that we have people here who do have psychological issues but they`re mixing it with drama because these are actors. You see Lindsay Lohan acting in the courtroom.
To listen to the Mel Gibson rants on tape is really quite dramatic, but to say that these are perfectly normal people I don`t think you can say that. I mean we`ve seen pictures of Lindsay, and she has scars on her arms from where she`s been cutting herself, and that`s an indication of someone who has deep psychological pain.
CASAREZ: Now the court ordered psychiatrists are going to assess her while she`s at Lynnwood in jail. They will determine what facility she will go to because, remember, the 90 days in jail, that`s not it. The judge has ordered her to go to an in-house rehab facility.
What are they going to look for and should they send her far away from California?
BREMNER: I think she needs to get out of her environment. One of the most important things for a drug-addicted individual to do is to change their environment, to change the people that she is hanging out with, and that`s what she really needs to do. She needs to get away from that all- night party circuit and a different physical location would be good for her.
I would like to say that I think that if she`s only going to spend 15 days in jail, I think it`ll be a good opportunity to clear the drugs and alcohol out of her brain because her brain is so affected with everything that she`s taking, and in addition to that, these prescription medications that are -- Dilaudid is an opiate. She`s taking Adderall, which is an amphetamine.
That`s not a good thing for someone to take who has a cocaine addiction problem.
CASAREZ: Yes, that is true. To Rose in Florida. Hi, Rose, good evening.
ROSE, CALLER FROM FLORIDA: Hi. Thank you for taking my call.
CASAREZ: Yes.
ROSE: Pleasure to talk with you.
CASAREZ: Thank you. You, too.
ROSE: You know, I`ve been listening to the gentleman speaking, and I want to tell you I`ve lived what you guys are talking about with Lindsay with my daughter, 43 years old now. And I thank God every day that she`s alive and hope and pray that she doesn`t have another seizure.
If you stop all the medications that that girl is taking or even gradually take her down in a facility like a jail, by the time they get someone to her who can give her the antidote, she will have a seizure and she will die.
You do not put an addict in jail to detox her. You put her in a mental health facility, hospital. Jail hospital. Once she is cleaned out, you pray that she never gets another seizure again which is no guarantee. My daughter took two years but still had a seizure four days --
CASAREZ: You know, Rose, you bring up something I was just thinking about over the weekend constantly that why are we interested in this case? We`re interested because it`s Lindsay Lohan. But there are so many Lindsay Lohans out there that are behind the wheel that instead of crashing into the tree are going to crash into a person.
I want to go to Dr. Panchali Dhar, M.D., internal medicine specialist. How can she go to jail when she`s on all these prescription medications? Are they going to have to watch her or put her into the medical ward there?
DR. PANCHALI DHAR, M.D., INTERNAL MEDICINE: Well, these facilities do have physicians to oversee the inmates. Jails do, but these drugs cannot be stopped immediately. She will undergo withdrawals so Zoloft has to be tapered. The Trazadone has to be tapered and the Dilaudid has to be tapered.
And let`s give her the benefit of the doubt. She may need them because she could be depressed and she may need to be on the Zoloft and Trazadone. That`s entirely possible. We haven`t seen her medical records. So she could be medically depressed.
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LOHAN: Yes, of course, it scared me.
REVEL: Does alcohol and cocaine.
LOHAN: Thank you. I wasn`t expecting any special treatment. I am a normal person, you know what I mean? I don`t think of it like that.
REVEL: The only excuse for rescheduling an alcohol class will be if you were notified you have to show for random testing.
LOHAN: I know that I was ordered to go once a week.
REVEL: Do you understand and accept the conditions of your bail?
LOHAN: Yes, ma`am. I wasn`t missing the classes.
REVEL: She did not comply with the court`s order.
LOHAN: I didn`t do anything like that. I was working. I know it`s true and they know it`s true and they know that 99 percent of what is said is not true.
REVEL: Ninety-days in jail.
LOHAN: I did the best I could to, you know, balance jobs and showing up.
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CASAREZ: I`m Jean Casarez of the legal network "In Session" in for Nancy Grace tonight.
Out to Melanie Bromley, West Coast bureau chief of "Us Weekly" standing by in Los Angeles. Talk to us about the Pickford Lofts where Lindsay Lohan is. Who`s going in and out? It seems like it`s free access to go in and see her. I know her mother has been there. Who else has been there? And what about today?
MELANIE BROMLEY, WEST COAST BUREAU CHIEF, US WEEKLY: Well, her mom has been there and also some friends have been there. Sam Ronson has been spotted there. And it`s kind of -- from somebody who`s been inside, it`s just like an apartment really that Lindsay has been living in.
She`s been in her room, apartment, watching films with her friends and today her assistant was spotted there, removing some bags -- some travel bags from the apartment, but Lindsay has not been spotted yet.
But I know from people that she`s kind of hunkering down. She`s waiting. She`s just trying to be quiet before she has to go through this ordeal.
CASAREZ: So has she admitted to herself that it`s going to be happening, or does she still have denial and non-acceptance?
BROMLEY: Well, actually she`s kind of in two minds. Like some people have told me that she`s scared and other people have told me that she`s very much in denial, but obviously as clock ticks on the courthouse is now closed, there is no way that she`s not going to be going to jail right now, and she knows that.
CASAREZ: At 8:30 tomorrow morning she`s got to be in a courtroom in Beverly Hills, California.
To Marlaina Schiavo, NANCY GRACE producer who is standing by live at the jail, describe the jail cell for me that she is going to be in, we believe.
SCHIAVO: Well, the jail cell, Jean, is only a 12 by 8 cell. It has about a six-inch window, and that`s her only window. She will have a bunk bed in there, and the mattress is said to be about four inches thick.
She will have one sink, a toilet, a small table, and she`s only allowed to have about three magazines and one book at a time.
CASAREZ: All right. You know, Marlaina --
SCHIAVO: So, like I said, she`s going to spend 22 hours there.
CASAREZ: You know, Marlaina, I`ve been in my own jail cell. Did you know that?
SCHIAVO: Yes, I do, Jean. Are you talking about Peru?
CASAREZ: I was in Joran Van Der Sloot`s jail cell in Lima, Peru.
SCHIAVO: Yes.
CASAREZ: Well, he did not have a window. He had his own bed, not a bunk bed. His mattress instead of four inches I would say was six inches. He had a pillow, sheets and blanket. He had a toilet. He had -- he didn`t have a toilet. He had a hole in the floor, so she`s got one step up there.
He had a sink and he had a small table and books galore, and he had his own clothes, so a little different.
Helen in Michigan, hi, Helen, good evening.
HELEN, CALLER FROM MICHIGAN: Hi, Jean. Thank you for taking my call.
CASAREZ: You`re welcome what. What part of Michigan are you in?
HELEN: The lower part, on Lake Huron.
CASAREZ: Beautiful area. What`s your question?
HELEN: Yes, it is. I have a comment and then a question. All right. She has been in three different rehabs.
CASAREZ: Mm-hmm.
HELEN: Obviously a person that goes to rehab wants the help and my question is, how long after she got out of these rehab did she relapse?
CASAREZ: All right. Good question. To Brad Lamm, certified interventionist standing by out of New York. Here`s the problem. She has been to three rehabs, but two of them came after DUI charges, right?
LAMM: Well, here`s the thing about your caller`s question is she said a myth which is somebody has to want to be there, and that`s actually not true. When you`re addicted and your mind is not thinking right, you often don`t want to be there.
You want to be anywhere but in rehab, so rehab is a chance for you to actually get the drugs and the alcohol out of your body, and all this talk about depression, it is depressing being an addict.
I know firsthand. I was a drug addict for years. It`s horrible. It`s -- you wouldn`t wish it on your worst enemy so rehab you go to because people say you have to go or because you want to get better, but I see very little correlation between people having successful treatment visits and their reason for entering treatment, so I hold out great hope that Lindsay is going to get in there. And she`s going to use this opportunity to get better. That`s my hope.
CASAREZ: Right. And, you know, everybody thinks she enjoys her life from the outside. It appears she does but from what you`re saying inside she hates her life.
LAMM: It`s horrible. You know, waking up and being sick, being dope sick, and that the only answer to make you feel better is more drugs? It`s a horrible way to live, and getting off that roller coaster of addiction is terribly hard, but it is doable, and there is no -- nothing like support from family and friends, and in this case, the law to help you do it.
CASAREZ: But you know, here`s the thing. Everything has always been so easy. When she left Cirque Lodge in Utah in October 2007, she actually served 84 minutes in the Lynnwood Facility. She`s been there before.
LAMM: Look --
CASAREZ: She was supposed to spend a day but she spent 84 minutes.
LAMM: And I think that was a big mistake. I think this is a day of reckoning. She knows that it`s the judge`s way or it`s the highway and that there`s really no option here. So I love that she`s going to be in jail, quite frankly.
It`s a way to intervene. It`s a way to get in there and try to change things up and hopefully get better in some way.
CASAREZ: All right. To Carol in California. Good evening, Carol.
CAROL, CALLER FROM CALIFORNIA: Hi, Jean.
CASAREZ: Hi.
CAROL: Hi.
CASAREZ: Your question.
CAROL: My question is, you know, it seems that Lindsay Lohan is so determined that she`s not going to go to jail that I`m wondering if she`s going to test the judge tomorrow by not turning herself in, hoping the judge will just let this slide or reduce her sentence or something.
And, Jean, if she does that, are we going to see another circus like the Paris Hilton circus where the police had to show up at her house and escort her down to Lynnwood?
CASAREZ: You know, Carol, you`re so right. I remember it like it was yesterday, right? Don`t you remember that -- the helicopters and everybody following her and seeing what she`s going to do?
To Carlos Diaz, standing by in Los Angeles, syndicated radio host and journalist. What do people think? Do they think that it`s just going to happen very domino effect? That she appears, she`s remanded and she goes to Lynnwood, or is it going to be not that smooth?
DIAZ: Well, first, Lynn wasn`t exactly right. Paris Hilton did turn herself in and then when Paris got out they had to go get her to take her back. But it will be smooth sailing tomorrow with Robert Shapiro by her side. I`m sure being the professional that he is, he`s going to make sure of that.
But you have to wonder, are we going to see the same emotions from Lindsay Lohan that we saw a few weeks ago?
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REVEL: I couldn`t have been more clear.
LOHAN: As far as I know, I was being in compliant with my program.
REVEL: Her attitude. It`s like somebody who cheats doesn`t think it`s cheating unless they get caught.
LOHAN: I just try to not acknowledge it.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She is at Pickford Lofts.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: This is a sober living environment.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: We know that rehab in the past hasn`t worked.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: You`re going to be sober in jail.
LOHAN: Yes, right.
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CASAREZ: Out to Jason Oshins, defense attorney out of New York. You know, Robert Shapiro gave a statement saying that he will agree and comply with the judge`s terms. He mentioned jail time.
Here`s my question, though. When they get into court tomorrow and the judge is on the stand, the attorneys are there, Lindsay Lohan is there, why can`t he argue to have it reversed?
She`s already in a sober living facility. Have her go to rehab and once rehab is over, then, as a sober person, go to jail.
JASON OSHINS, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: A little too storybook, Jean. And I`m with you and Mr. Lamm in terms of addressing the fact that, you know, she has an addictive problem, but I think the judge wants to focus in on the law.
You got to pay. I`ve given you enough opportunity. And now is the time, actually, for you to get clean and sober. So I think it`s a good opportunity and hopefully it will work out well for her.
CASAREZ: Very quickly, to Tom Shamshak, private investigator. Talk about security. Because once she`s remanded into custody, it is L.A. County sheriffs that has the control and the responsibility for her, right?
TOM SHAMSHAK, FMR. POLICE CHIEF, PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR, INSTRUCTOR AT BOSTON UNIV.: Yes, they do. I`m not sure they`ll do a perp walk with her leaving court manacled in shackles. I think they will try to dignify her transportation to the facility, but she will be in the custody and they will be concerned about her case just as they would with any other inmate.
And in the facility, they`ll make sure that she`s safe.
CASAREZ: All right.
And tonight, let us stop to remember Marine Private 1st Class Jake Suter. Only 18 years old, from Los Angeles California. He served in Afghanistan. He turned down an opportunity to study at Brown University to enlist in the Marines. A Life Scout.
He loved American history, football and games. He dreamed of a political career. He leaves behind parents Michelle and Chris.
Jake Suter, an American hero.
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