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Lindsay Behind Bars
Aired July 20, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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LARRY KING, HOST (voice-over): Tonight, Lindsay Lohan is in the slammer. Her devastated dad, Michael, watched as his little girl was hauled off to jail, shouting, "We love you Lindsay." And now, he's here with us, exclusive on what he witnessed as she was put in handcuffs and led away.
Can his daughter be redeemed behind bars? Can she survive 90 days?
Next on LARRY KING LIVE.
KING: Everybody's talking about Lindsay Lohan tonight.
Joining us are: Michael Lohan, Lindsay Lohan's father. It's a LARRY KING LIVE exclusive and his attorney, Lisa Bloom, is also here.
But, first, let's go to the Century Regional Detention Center. That's in Lynwood, California, that's where "The Insider's" Chris Jacobs is right now. There's Chris.
What was it like when Lindsay arrived there, Chris?
CHRIS JACOBS, CORRESPONDENT, "THE INSIDER": How are you doing, Larry?
What was it like?
JACOBS: Well, when she arrived at the courthouse earlier today, Larry, I think frenzy would be an understatement. There was a crush of paparazzi waiting on the courthouse steps. And if you watch one of the tapes closely, you can see that someone actually threw confetti at her as she made her way in the courthouse.
She spent about 40 minutes inside the courtroom. She was then remanded over to custody. The cameras were turned off. She put in hand cuffs and then she was transported here to Lynwood. She arrived at about 10:00 this morning.
KING: How far is Lynwood from the courthouse?
JACOBS: It probably took them about 45 minutes to an hour to get down here. And I'm sure there was a caravan following them.
Upon arrival, she was processed like any other inmate would be. I don't believe she was given any special treatment or privileges during the booking procedure. Because she's in on a violation of an alcohol or drug offense, I'm sure she was subjected to a full cavity body search, Larry.
KING: And do you know anything whether she has a cell-mate, can she have visitors, or anything about what it's like for her inside?
JACOBS: It's my belief, Larry, that she has her own cell with a private shower. Now, that is for her own protection, I believe, that her jailers do not want her in general population for her safety. Unfortunately, also for her safety, she's going to be in her cell by herself for 23 hours a day, and that can be quite daunting.
KING: Nice, Chris -- Chris Jacobs, correspondent for "The Insider."
With us here in the studio, Michael Lohan, the father of Lindsay, and his attorney, Lisa Bloom.
Cameras were shut off before she was handcuffed. How did she handle it? You were there.
MICHAEL LOHAN, LINDSAY LOHAN'S FATHER: Unbelievably well. I couldn't believe the strength. And she was just very strong.
KING: Did you expect worse?
LOHAN: Yes, much worse. What really hurt this time wasn't Lindsay and the sentence coming down on her, but my daughter, Ali, was a mess and it just broke my heart to Ali go through it.
KING: How old is Ali?
LOHAN: He's only 16.
KING: What did you say to Lindsay?
LOHAN: I just yelled to her, "I love you, Lindsay."
KING: Was -- did she say anything back?
LOHAN: No. She's in cuffs. They were taking her out. There's nothing she could say or do.
KING: You're still estranged, aren't you? I mean, did you go see her that day after you were on this show?
LOHAN: No. I didn't. I didn't want to create problems. I mean, she's got people around her that are just waiting for me to make a move to try to put me in jail myself and that's one place my kids don't need me now.
KING: Your ex-wife, Dina, has a restraining order against you, right?
LOHAN: She has had one for six years now.
KING: So, you are restrained from doing what?
LOHAN: Actually, she didn't get it for anything I did with her. It was -- it stemmed from the fight I had with my brother-in-law when he was -- when he was high on crack at my son's communion party.
KING: Was she in court today, too, Dina?
LOHAN: Yes, she was.
KING: Did you talk to her?
LOHAN: No. As a matte of fact, Lisa tried to make her way to Dina and speak to Dina and Dina wouldn't even speak to Lisa. Dina hasn't spoken to anybody.
KING: Will you try to speak to her in jail, Lindsay?
LOHAN: Absolutely. Yes. There's no doubt.
KING: Do you know the visiting situation yet?
LOHAN: I know that we -- we'll visit her on weekends. I was planning on going home tomorrow night because I thought I could visit tonight or tomorrow. But I heard it's on weekends. So, Lisa and I decided that I should stay and --
KING: Where is home?
LOHAN: Back in Water Mill, Long Island, out in South Hampton.
KING: All right, Lisa, what was this like from your perspective?
LISA BLOOM, MICHAEL LOHAN'S ATTORNEY: It's really heartbreaking, Larry. I think the rest of the world looks at Lindsay Lohan as almost an icon, a cartoonish character. We see her in all the tabloids and all the shows. But to Michael, this is his daughter.
And I have a daughter. I know you have children, Larry. If you can imagine your child being taken off to jail and how devastating that is, that's what Michael has been going through. Michael, through me, has been reaching out to her for many months, trying to get her to go to rehab, because we knew this was the inevitable outcome. That she would go to jail.
She refused all of those attempts, belatedly last week, she went to rehab. If she'd done it a month or two months or three months ago, none of this would happen. That's what Michael was crying from the mountaintops about.
KING: Something (INAUDIBLE) about this. Robert Shapiro is a very good friend of mine. I spent all day Sunday with him. And he's no longer her attorney, wasn't her attorney, I guess at all. But he had told me, he was -- he was proposing rehab, and then jail. Rehab and then jail. Now, what happened to him in this?
LOHAN: Why didn't it --
KING: He wasn't able to tell me because of the laws of the court.
KING: But you can tell me your perspective is.
BLOOM: I don't know why no attorney for Lindsay Lohan filed a notice of appeal in the last two weeks. Had any attorney done that, Larry, this sentence would have been stayed pending appeal -- meaning for about six to 12 months, she could have been out. The attorney also, if the attorney --
KING: Putting off the inevitable.
BLOOM: Well, she could have won an appeal perhaps, I saw some grounds for an appeal, but attorneys could differ on that. But the attorney also could make an application to Judge Revel to switch the order, put her in rehab first, put her in jail second.
KING: No one made that application?
BLOOM: No one made that application.
KING: Didn't Robert Shapiro intend to make that application? I know he did.
BLOOM: I don't know what was in his mind. I don't know what he may have intended. I know that no court papers were filed by any attorney on Lindsay's behalf.
KING: Why didn't her attorney -- the other attorney filed?
BLOOM: Well, Shawn Chaplain Holley resigned according to all the reports the day after the last hearing.
KING: But she's pregnant.
BLOOM: And after Shapiro resigned last night. Shawn Chapman Holley came in at the last moment this morning.
KING: Who's her attorney?
BLOOM: Shawn Chapman Holley is her attorney of record.
KING: And she didn't ask for an appeal either.
BLOOM: No one has done it. No one has done. And Michael offered to pay for the appeal through me. He's offered to pay for it. He's offered to do anything possible to help his daughter.
LOHAN: In court today, the judge actually said there was no notice that Shawn Chapman Holley was relieved of the case and no notice that Robert Shapiro was the new attorney.
KING: You have to give notice, right?
LOHAN: Of course.
BLOOM: Yes. It's sort of like a divorce, you know, people can split up and two years later the divorce is final. An attorney can withdraw from a case, but sometimes the notice gets filed later, usually -
KING: The judge has to approve a withdrawal.
BLOOM: Yes. And usually, the new attorney has to be in. And my suspicion is that, with Robert Shapiro over the last few days, things perhaps disintegrated between the attorney and client. And that's why that notice of --
KING: Was this handled poorly?
BLOOM: Well, all I can tell you, Larry, is I have great respect with Robert Shapiro.
KING: So do I.
BLOOM: And I don't know what was going on behind the scenes with him and his client. So, I hate to second-guess him. But what I do believe is that the first job of the criminal defense attorney is to zealously advocate for the liberty of the client. And the reports are that he said he would only take the case if she agreed to go to jail.
We also know that he -- that she went to his private sober living facility. I think that raises a lot of questions.
KING: That has been the case, Michael, yourself included, Robert Downey, jail helped?
LOHAN: Jail helped because I wanted it to help. But then, again, Larry, I went into jail when I was clean and sober. Lindsey's on prescription drugs. I have to say this, I spoke to Robert Shapiro about three weeks ago. I spoke to him about -- not about Lindsay, well, not about representing Lindsay but man-to-man, father to father, and with some legal background involved.
But Robert said to me, she's got to get off prescription drugs. I share what you're feeling, I know it. And I said I feel the same thing.
KING: Some have died of it. LOHAN: Exactly. And I said, I share your sentiments and I don't want to see that the outcome for my daughter.
KING: If she's still on prescription drugs, is she going to get them in jail?
LOHAN: Yes, sir.
BLOOM: She gets them on limited quantities. So, that's an improvement.
KING: More with Michael Lohan and Lindsa (ph) Bloom. We'll ask -- Lindsa -- Lisa Bloom -- we'll ask Michael if he has any advice for his daughter behind bars. Don't go away.
KING: We're going to go back to Michael and Lisa. Back to Century Regional Detention Center in Lynwood. Chris Jacobs of "Extra" is there.
What can you tell us about -- what do we know about her first meal and what her first night is going to be like? And what about visitors? What do we know now?
JACOBS: It's actually -- actually "The Insider," Larry. I don't want to give my competition credit.
KING: I'm sorry.
JACOBS: But I can tell you -- that's all right -- I can tell about
KING: They run into each other.
JACOBS: I can tell you what life is going to be like relatively speaking for Lindsay on the inside of this facility. And Like I said, relatively speaking, there are pros and there are cons.
First, the pros. She's actually only going to serve most likely 13-15 days of the 90 that she's been sentenced, that's due to overcrowding in this facility. Secondly, she's going to have her own cell with its own shower. So, she's going to be able to take a shower whenever she wants, that's for her own protection.
Now, her first meal tonight, there's an insider on the prison who's informed us "The Insider," that's most likely going to be turkey with some sort of pasta, applesauce, coleslaw and some white bread and milk to wash that down. So, she'll be well fed.
Now, here are the cons. She won't be allowed any cigarettes. And any smoker out there knows trying to make two weeks without a puff is pretty hard to do. Secondly, no makeup, for someone like Lindsay Lohan, that might tough to do as well. Also, there won't be any hair extensions, accessories, things like that. And she will be -- she will be wearing that orange jumpsuit that we saw in her mug shot for the next two weeks, Larry.
So, it will certainly be a humiliating experience for her at the correctional facility.
KING: One other thing, Chris of "The Insider," what about visitors?
JACOBS: Actually, starting on Saturday, Larry, she will be allowed to have visitors. Not sure about phone access, probably just to speak to her attorney. In fact, as I was arriving today, her attorney, Shawn, was just leaving and she looked very, very exhausted. So, I'm sure that she has had a long day as well.
Here's the other thing, though, Larry. Lindsay is an avid tweeter and Facebooker. I doubt that she's going to have access to the Internet. And for the next two weeks, she's going to be incommunicado to her legion of Twitter followers.
KING: Thanks, Chris. Chris Jacobs of "The Insider."
BLOOM: Thanks, Chris. I do the show on a daily basis.
She's going to be alone 23 hours a day and that's for her own protection. That's true for anyone with notoriety who goes to jail and it's the right thing to do to protect her.
KING: Can she have books?
BLOOM: She can have books, yes.
BLOOM: But, you know, there have been a lot of studies by human rights organizations about the effects of isolation. And there are severe psychological effects of isolation, day after day after day, you are alone for 23 hours. In fact, in super max prison, it's used against the most hardened criminals as a form of punishment, solitary confinement.
LOHAN: I was alone for five weeks.
BLOOM: People talk about celebrities getting special treatment. For celebrities actually, it's more difficult because they're alone so much.
LOHAN: I was in -- I was in -- I was in lockdown in Seg for five weeks.
KING: What is that?
LOHAN: Administrative segregation. It's the hole. They call it the hole. There's no window.
KING: What is this - BLOOM: Isolation.
LOHAN: Food through a slot in a door, only books, light in the room.
KING: Does she make out a visitors list of who she will see?
BLOOM: Yes, she is entitled to do that.
KING: And they must allowed time? But does she have television?
BLOOM: I don't think so and definitely no Internet access.
LOHAN: In the common area, if she's allowed out, and from what I understand, I've been in touch with the clergy already that's part of the prison out here and also, in the prison itself, the chaplain minister, (INAUDIBLE) Angelo and she will have some time outside the cell, from what I understand, maybe an hour a day in the common area. There will be no other inmates in that area.
But the most important thing for her right now, and I think this is God's will that is going to bring her down to her knees, and she's going to have to -- with nothing else to do, I just hope she starts to get back to herself, to pray. I'm sending her a Bible, that's the clergy said I can do. And I want her to --
KING: What about cigarettes?
KING: I know. But what about it though? You can climb a wall.
LOHAN: You can. I mean, in some -- most cases, you can smuggle them in. If you get caught, it just adds more time to your sentence.
But -- yes, she can climb a wall. She's fighting enough demons herself right now with the prescription drugs and everything else that she's going to go through. This -- she was -- this didn't have to happen but it is -- it's happening now. We have to live with it. And she's got to -- she's got to use it to her best, to better herself.
BLOOM: Well, because she did have a couple of DUIs, they were dangerous situations although she didn't actually hurt anyone, thank God. And then she violated the terms of her probation a number of times and so, the judge said she would be incarcerated.
KING: Do you think she has public sympathy or not?
BLOOM: I think she doesn't, Larry --
KING: Does not.
BLOOM: She does not. There are a lot of people ranting and raving about special treatment for celebrities. And, in fact, there is no special treatment here. Fifty thousand people in Los Angeles County every year are released early from jails, just like Lindsay will be released early, because of overcrowding. We have the most overcrowded jails in the country here in California, and there are court ordered caps.
So, when you reach that number, the non-violent misdemeanor offenders, like Lindsay, get released early. No special treatment at all.
KING: Probably 10 to 15 days?
BLOOM: That's probably what it will be because of the current overcrowding. We just lock everybody up, sentence everybody to jail, we don't have the space for them.
KING: She was in jail before, right?
LOHAN: Lindsay was?
KING: Wasn't she?
LOHAN: For 84 minutes, I believe.
BLOOM: That's right.
LOHAN: But, you know what, the process itself, Chris just said, and Chris covered my -- when I was in jail, Chris covered me. It's ironic that he's reporting on Lindsay now.
But, yes, she was in for 84 minutes and the process of going in is one thing. Going through the system like she did, one door and out the other just getting process. But to be subjected like Chris said, to a, you know, searches and the things Lindsay is going to be subjected to would be dehumanizing.
And I think you made a very good point. A lot of things that Lindsey lives by are taken away from her now.
KING: Do you ever blame yourself?
LOHAN: Sure, I do.
KING: Feel a lot of guilt tonight?
KING: Through your genes, through your --
LOHAN: Through my stupidity.
KING: What should you have done?
LOHAN: I should have reacted in a lot of ways I did before. And, you know, with regard to going to prison before and putting my family at risk in that way, leaving Dina alone with the children.
Yes. Yes. I mean, I went away for criminal contempt. I wouldn't tell on people, but I shouldn't have gotten involved with those people to begin with. That's one thing.
The other thing was this stupidity of fighting with my brother- in-law, and then being such an A-S-S to get drunk and drive into a telephone pole.
KING: More with Michael and Lisa after this.
KING: We're back.
We're showing you, I believe, there's the prison Lindsay Lohan is in for the first night of her scheduled stay.
It's a jail, not a prison. A prison is where you serve over a year. And it's for felonies. This is a jail. There are people in there not convicted of anything yet, right? Awaiting trial?
KING: That's what a jail is. It looks pretty nice from the outside.
LOHAN: Yes. Wait until you get inside.
BLOOM: Yes. Let's not kid ourselves, the overcrowded jails here in Los Angeles are not pleasant.
KING: What was with that mug shot? What did you read into it? Michael?
BLOOM: Go ahead.
LOHAN: I see and you mentioned not having -- or Chris mentioned not having any makeup or anything. Lindsay doesn't need makeup, she doesn't need her hair --
KING: But look at that. What was that defiance? What is that? How do you analyze that?
LOHAN: You know what? I can't, but I see a scared, scared woman. I see her head lowered. I think she's becoming a little more submissive to what's going on with her life. And I just hope, you know, this vacant part of her now, it should be -- I hope it's filled with only, you know, good things.
KING: What was -
BLOOM: I think you can overanalyze a photo, Larry. It's like a driver's license photo.
KING: OK. All right. Fair enough.
BLOOM: Just a snap of a few seconds.
KING: What about F-U painted on her fingernail? What was that?
LOHAN: A dark place in her life and people around her to let -- for them to allow her to do something like that walking to a courtroom and you can't tell and I'm sure you agree, people with her going into that court was living with her the night before, had to see her doing that.
KING: If you -- if she didn't talk to you and you can't talk to her mother, how do both parents help her?
LOHAN: Dina has got to get -- thank you so much for saying this, I need to talk about this. Dina needs to put everything aside, like I have, and she's got to be a mother, there for her daughter, like I want to be a father there for her daughter. Why is it on July 4th, she was my best friend, my best friend and two days later when Lindsay got sentenced and she came out here to California, she wouldn't even pick up a phone call for me?
BLOOM: We have tried. This is why Michael retained me in part as I try to speak to her attorneys. You know, we reached a hand and say let's work together.
KING: What do you make of it?
BLOOM: You know, I can't speak for Dina. I can only speak to Michael. Michael has consistently been there for Lindsay, offered his hand, refused to take her out partying, told her she needs to go to rehab, worked behind the scenes to try to get her any help she needs, offered to pay for an appeal, offered to find a right rehab for her, done the research, talked to DEA agents, talked to detectives, talked to every attorney in the case.
This is Michael Lohan's life. He's fighting for his daughter. And I admire him for that.
I mean, he is the perfect of perseverance. He doesn't give up on her. It doesn't matter if she doesn't like him, if she tweets negative things about him.
He rises above it and he keeps fighting. He doesn't give up. I don't think he'll ever give up.
LOHAN: I won't give up on Dina, either, never in a million years.
KING: How well, Lisa, do you know Lindsay?
BLOOM: I don't know her at all.
KING: Don't know her at all.
BLOOM: I only know what I'm seeing on the courtroom. No, I have never spoken to her. She does not want any contact --
KING: What's your role --
LOHAN: She needed someone like Lisa in her life.
KING: What's your role for Michael?
BLOOM: My role, I took this case on, Larry, about four months ago because Michael came to me and said, I need to save my daughter, I can't just let her die, I don't want her to be the Hollywood statistic.
KING: But you can't speak to her and you don't see her. So --
BLOOM: Well, one option -- one option was a conservatorship. But, frankly, I didn't think she's at that point where she was that bad.
But the other option, Larry, she's on probation, she's under court-ordered supervision. And so, as his attorney, I sent several letters to the court asking for stricter control, because remember, several months ago, it was only alcohol ed classes that she had to do. That was the only term of her probation. The court took us up on what we suggested which was random drug testing, the SCRAM bracelet, imposed stricter controls.
KING: All right. Let's be real answer - optimistic or pessimistic?
KING: Based on?
LOHAN: Based on rehab after she gets out of jail. Pessimistic in the way that I think that there's going to be so deeply rooted issues, some very (INAUDIBLE) issues that are going to stem from being in prison, like there still are in my life, Larry. There's things I shoved deep down inside that's reared their ugly head sometimes, too. You have to swallow a lot when you're in there.
KING: You're optimistic.
BLOOM: You have to be. She's 24 years old. She's beautiful, intelligent, talented -- of course, you have to have optimism she can turn this around.
KING: You think the public's rooting for her?
LOHAN: I do.
BLOOM: I don't know. I think many people - she's got a lot of fans. I saw a disabled girl come up to her in the courtroom last time around, Lindsay embraced her. She was very kind to her. She has that compassion in her heart.
LOHAN: As a person, she's one of the most wonderful people you'll ever meet in your life.
KING: Michael Lohan and Lisa Bloom, thank you.
LOHAN: Thank you, Larry.
KING: Two of Lindsay's friends are here and they'll tell us why she should not be in jail -- next.
KING: Joining us now: Indrani Pal-Chaudhuri, photographer, model and star of "Double Exposure" on Bravo. The season finale, by the way, is tonight.
And Marcus Clink, photographer and star of "Double Exposure." He's photographed Lindsay Lohan.
Both are Lindsay Lohan's friends and don't think she'd be in prison. And the two of you were a couple for a long time, right?
MARCUS KLINKO, PHOTOGRAPHER, "DOUBLE EXPOSURE": That's right.
KING: And now, you're friends.
KLINKO: We're best friends. We're creative partners.
INDRANI PAL-CHAUDHURI, PHOTOGRAPHER, "DOUBLE EXPOSURE": We both do the photography together.
KING: And how did you hook up with Lindsay?
PAL-CHAUDHURI: Well, we've done many shoots with Lindsay. And over the years, we've gotten to know her well. And recently, we did a photo shoot where she and I got to spend more time than usual talking and we ended up spending quite a bit of time together.
KING: Did she hire you as a photographer?
KLINKO: Yes. For many years. We're a duo -- we only work as a duo.
KING: Do you work as her personal photographers or do you work for companies, like her movie company that is shooting her?
KLINKO: That's right. We were hired by her record company and we were hired by her leggings line or magazines. So we're assignment photographers.
KING: What about the rumors -- let's deal with it -- that you had a physical relationship with her? CHAUDHURI: Well, Lindsay and I became close and we spent lots of time together. But the rumors were very exaggerate. People were saying we were living together for a year.
KING: Did you have a physical relationship with her?
CHAUDHURI: We had an emotional relationship.
KING: That was intimate?
CHAUDHURI: It was -- it was an intense and spiritual.
KING: Did that affect you, Marcus?
KLINKO: No, not specifically. I mean, we're no longer a couple. We have not been a couple for seven years now.
KING: No jealousy?
KLINKO: No, not at all.
KING: What's she like? What don't we know about her?
CHAUDHURI: Lindsay has a lot of different sides to her. I think the really public focuses on the scandals when she's out drinking or those kind of situations. But she's actually a very calm person who spends a lot of her time thinking about her work and really focused on being a great actress, watching films, studying art.
One of the things that brought us closer was actually talking about my school in India. For 15 years, I founded and supported a school in India. Lindsay really wants to make a difference in the world. She wants to be a good role model. I think it's been very hard for her.
KING: What, Marcus, do you think is her problem? We all know obviously she's addicted to prescription medication. What's her problem?
KLINKO: What I'm really sad for her is that I look at our career and how we work. We have a great team. We're surrounded by a phenomenal agent, George Perez. We have a fantastic lawyer, George Michaels and (INAUDIBLE). We have a great stylist. We have been working together for so long.
When I see Lindsay, she's alone. It's her. She changes people. Once in a while, she has a different assistant, different people taking care of her. I feel that she's so talented. She's a true natural in front of the camera. And in person, she's a very, very sweet person. I think she needs to be supported.
KING: You know she needs help.
KLINKO: She needs help.
KING: Did you ever think of an intervention. CHAUDHURI: I really thought what she needs is to have some time way from the cameras, from the people following her, from all of the intensity of being in a fishbowl. But, Larry, I really feel that Lindsay needs to figure out what she wants for herself. Everyone's telling her she should do this. Everyone I talk to thinks they know her, thinks they know what's best for her. But no one is really interested in what she thinks is good for her. I think that's part of the problem.
We worked with so many celebrities, Beyonce, Kanye West, all kinds of great people. Being an artist, you have to be very focused. You have that kind of crazy focus on what you're doing. I think Lindsay really has that. So she doesn't pay attention to the other sides of her life, like where her passport is.
KING: It benefited Robert Downey. Do you think jail could help her, Marcus?
KLINKO: I do not think so. I think it's too harsh. It's way too harsh. I think that if her problems are more prescription drugs are than anything else, I think that's probably not going to be addressed fully in jail. My personal opinion, I'm somebody who loves to go to the gym. I love to eat very healthy for a very, very long time. I think that's what she would need. If I could, I would take her to the gym.
KING: She needs rehab.
KLINKO: Yes. I think she needs somebody that she can trust. I think that's probably one of her biggest problems.
KING: If you drive under the influence or intoxicated, you could kill someone.
CHAUDHURI: No, I --
KING: Someone's got to pay for something like that.
CHAUDHURI: Absolutely. I think Lindsay needs to make big changes in her life. I don't think that jail is going to change her. I think she needs to change herself. And that has to be a decision that she comes to. I think having people around her who can be good influences would certainly help and good supporters, a good team that can take care of some of the basic things so she can focus on --
KING: When did you talk to her last?
CHAUDHURI: It's been a little while. We had a Twitter war.
KING: What are you saying? A war?
CHAUDHURI: A Twitter war.
KING: What's a Twitter war?
CHAUDHURI: It means that she was upset about the way she was portrayed on our show, which it was a docu-series. So they just filmed her coming 11 hours late to our shoot and she was upset that that was shown. And we had nothing to do with that.
KING: Do you think she's mad at you now? You're sticking up for her here tonight.
CHAUDHURI: I'm sticking up for her because I really believe in her as a person. We've had our differences. We get along fine most of the time. She's someone who is under a lot of pressure. I think it's natural that she is going to have those ups and downs.
KING: You genuinely like her?
KLINKO: Yes. She has a very good heart. In tonight's episode of our show, you can see her visiting us at our exhibit. For many years, she's been there for us. She believes in our work. I really truly believe in her as a talent, as an artist.
KING: Thank you for coming forward. I like people, no matter what, who stick up for other people.
KLINKO: Thank you for having us.
KING: Thank you. A well-known crisis handler and addiction expert a criminal defense attorney, all here next.
KING: We welcome back Howard Bragman to LARRY KING LIVE, He's founder and CEO of 15 Minutes, crisis management expert. Dr. Drew Pinsky, host at VH1's "Celebrity Rehab," an addiction expert. And Trent Copeland, good to have him back, criminal defense attorney who was at the courthouse today. Will jail change her, Howard?
HOWARD BRAGMAN, CRISIS MANAGEMENT EXPERT: God, I hope so. She really needs it. She's had so many chances. I think taking all the outside stimulus away, taking her ability to Tweet away, taking the media away, all these voice in her ears, I really, really pray for her it does.
KING: At what point, doctor, does she accept that she has a problem? When does that occur?
DR. DREW PINSKY, VH1'S "CELEBRITY REHAB": If I could figure that out, I could win a Nobel Prize. That moment of making people willing is what is so difficult in addiction. People can't get well until they're willing to get well. For most people, it is disgust; it is a belief that they are going to die if they don't change direction. And sometimes it's a significant loss, like a loss offer freedom or a loss of children.
I do know plenty of people that do get sober in jail when they have a chance to think about the fact of what they've done and how they've gotten there. But it's not the usual story.
KING: Do they need a crisis point? PINSKY: Yes, they need a turning point. They all have a moment. She may have experienced that moment. She looked somewhat accepting today in court. She wasn't fighting it so much.
KING: Judge Revel (ph), Trent, said no house arrest and no early release. Do you think she will do 90 days?
TRENT COPELAND, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I don't think there's any chance she will do 90 days. In reality, I'm not sure she is going to do much more than two weeks. The truth of the matter is the judge said, look, this is a 90 day sentence, but I can't control when the sheriffs are going to release you,
Typically, given the circumstance -- she's a non-violent offender. She doesn't have much of a record. She is probably going to be released in just under two weeks or so.
KING: Paris Hilton served time at that jail in Linwood. Here's what she told me about her experience just after her release in 2007. Watch.
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KING: The purpose of jail -- prison, jail, confinement -- is to teach a lesson. At least that's a big part of it. Did it work for you?
PARIS HILTON, CELEBRITY: It definitely -- it was a view traumatic experience. But I feel like God does make everything happen for a reason. It gave me, you know, a time-out in life just to really find out what is important and what I want to do, figure out who I am. Even though it was really hard, I took that time to get to know myself.
KING: Think it changed you?
HILTON: Yes, definitely. I have a new outlook on life.
KING: Was there a couple of days -- when -- did it happen quickly or did it happen over a period of time?
HILTON: The beginning was really hard, really hard for me. It's kind of a blur, it was so traumatic. After being there a while, I had to accept that I could either make the best of it or make the worst of it. So I just went with the motto, don't serve the time, let the time serve you. I did that and it really helped.
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KING: Howard, what does crisis management recommend? If you're sitting with Lindsay Lohan -- let's say she's out, getting through rehab, how does she get it all back?
BRAGMAN: You know, there's this myth out there that a really good PR guy or crisis manager can fix everything. I can't want to fix it more than she wants to fix herself. That's the biggest thing. If she comes out and she says, I have a problem, I'm ready to go to rehab. I'm ready to confront it. She spends some time in rehab, comes out and starts living a clean and sober life for a while, then you can begin to get traction on the new life.
KING: Did you try to get her on your show, Drew?
PINSKY: I'm not actually involved in the casting, but I do believe people were reaching out to her. I have repeatedly over the last couple of years.
KING: Legally, should she have asked for an appeal? This is a dispute today here.
COPELAND: Look, I heard Lisa earlier, Larry. I think Lisa makes a good point. The reality is that a lawyer is required to zealously represent the interests of that client, to zealously preserve their liberty.
KING: What if the lawyer doesn't think that it's an a good idea.
COPELAND: If the lawyer doesn't think that it's possible -- I don't know that it wasn't a good idea in this case. The truth is there was some disparity. Whether you agree with what Judge Revel's sentence was or not, it was -- I like this judge. I think she's a very good judge. I've been in front of her numerous times. This was a sentence that far exceeded what a person under the normal circumstances would have been given had they not been a celebrity.
COPELAND: That's the truth. Now she violated her probation nine different ways. There's no question about it. I'm not defending Lindsay. But under normal circumstance, if you are in substantial compliance, if you generally speaking going to classes -- any class that Lindsay missed, she made up. She literally completed most of that sentence. She had some hiccups, there's no question about it. I think everything the judge said was accurate. The judge was justifiably upset with her.
But the truth is, Larry, typically in most courts in this state, most judges would not have issued a sentence that was effectively a 180 day sentence. Remember, this isn't just a 90 day sentence in jail, where she is going to serve two weeks. This is a 180 day sentence, because when she leaves jail, she has another 90 day sentence that she has to serve relative to the rehabilitation program, which I think is justified. But the truth is it exceeds, generally speaking, what most people would have received.
KING: Can her career come back? That's next. Don't go away.
KING: Defense Attorney Trent Copeland, what about the suggestion rehab first, jail later? COPELAND: Larry, we talked about it during the break. I'm surprised, frankly -- if I'm surprised about anything, that is whether they were going to file an appeal, I think that really is a decision that the lawyer are going to make, a strategy one. I think I probably would not have filed an appeal, but I certainly would have filed some kind of motion, some kind of paper with this judge, urging this judge to allow Lindsay to go to a rehabilitation drug rehab first.
KING: I think that's what Robert Shapiro wanted to do.
COPELAND: I've known Robert Shapiro for a long time. You know, Larry, as well as anyone, Robert Shapiro feels strongly, passionately about the issue of drug rehabilitation. He's been touched by this issue. I'm surprised, frankly, that the lawyers who were involved in this case, in the end, did not make the decision to appeal to this court, appeal to this judge, to allow her to go to drug rehabilitation, to complete that before she starts this sentence.
KING: You know Robert very well. Do you think he gets a bad rap here?
BRAGMAN: You know, anybody who knows Robert knows he has great legal integrity, great legal talent, a great mind and great passion about this subject. If there is a problem between Lindsay and Robert, I'm on Robert's side with this. She was the one who stepped out of line.
KING: There is a second act in America, isn't there?
PINSKY: Always. We like that as well --
KING: America forgives after it knocks and picks up.
KING: So if she turns it around -- Downey is the best example -- can she come all the way back? Two years from now, Lindsay Lohan stars in --
PINSKY: There is no doubt in my mind. I said this from the first time I was aware that this young woman had a problem. I can see the recovery in her. I can see the richness of this human being. I know she will make a wonderful recovering person. And she obviously has all this natural talent that will come flooding forth and flourishing again in a ways that we've never seen even.
But how far down is she going to have to go? And will she survive? Only she is the one that will determine that.
KING: Are these, Trent, difficult clients to represent?
COPELAND: You know --
KING: Clients with addiction?
COPELAND: Larry, I've represented a lot. BRAGMAN: Let me answer that. Yes.
COPELAND: I've represented a lot of celebrities, the Shannon Doherties and Jean Claude Van Dammes of the world. They're good people and I have enjoyed representing them. However, they do march to their own drumbeat. You know, they, you know, are -- feel that they are entitled to some things. that they're different. They're not necessarily difficult clients, but certainly different clients. And I think you have to be very careful about it.
I just want to add one last thing about this issue of her coming back and having that second act. Remember, she's still going to be under the thumb of this judge when she gets out of this drug rehabilitation program and she completes her jail sentence. So she can't step out of line. This isn't the end of it for Lindsay. She's going to have to keep her nose straight, stay straight, walk a straight line. Otherwise, she's going to be right back in the same position. We're going to be right back here talking about these same issues again.
KING: What about her career, Howard?
BRAGMAN: She had -- you know, Larry, if she was just some minor actor, nobody would care. She can open movies. She is a great talent. Five or ten years from now, she could have an Academy Award. She's that good. Think about it. The young people who are watching her now and watching this drama play out grew up on her movies. They love this kid.
And the research supports exactly what Dr. Drew said, and that is -- they call them the regeneration. If you go through rehab, you re- create yourself, they will accept you again.
KING: Why were you shaking your head?
PINSKY: I was just thinking, she has to not be concerned with that resurrection. She has to be concerned only with her sobriety. I know that when Robert Downey went into sobriety in earnest, he contemplated never working again. His sobriety meant more to him than anything else. That's when people become sober. The work comes later, if the sobriety is intact.
KING: Like alcoholics, will these people always call themselves addicts?
KING: They're lifetime addicts?
PINSKY: If they understand their condition. It's a chronic disease like diabetes. It requires daily management like diabetes.
KING: They can go back any time?
PINSKY: Always. But they -- as long as they, just like a diabetic taking their insulin, practice their sobriety, it works. KING: Trent, this is an epidemic, is it not?
COPELAND: It is.
KING: What can the law do?
COPELAND: You know, the law has to serve a number of functions, Larry. The truth of the matter is that the law is intended to rehabilitate, but it's also intended to punish. I think these are the circumstances where the law -- and I think this judge has made an effort to rehabilitate Lindsay. She's sending her to drug rehab. And she's also intending to punish.
But, in addition to that, the law is also designed, Larry, to send a message. And I think that's clearly what's happening in this case, because I think anybody watching has to look at this and say, OK, I don't want to get out of line, because if I do, and if I do the kinds of things that Lindsay Lohan did, it doesn't matter who I am. The fact is I could be facing a very substantial jail sentence that could be very, very difficult.
KING: We'll take a break and come back with some remaining moments with Howard Bragman, Dr. Drew Pinsky and Trent Copeland. Don't go away.
KING: Howard, frankly, is Michael Lohan a part of the problem? He surely loves his daughter.
BRAGMAN: I've had a lot of -- I've had a lot of young actors who have problems, and they always -- it almost always goes back to the parents. Lindsay has expressly asked her father not to discuss her. I feel like it's her life. And his number one goal --
KING: He shouldn't be talking about her?
BRAGMAN: His number one goal should be having a relationship with his daughter. I believe he's passionate. I believe he loves his daughter. But, god, he loves cameras too.
PINSKY: That may be true. But I think he understands her life is in danger and he's willing to sacrifice the relationship to save her life.
KING: What role do parents play?
PINSKY: In the generation of a disease? Quite a bit. The disease is a genetic disorder.
KING: He had it himself.
PINSKY: They feel tremendous guilt. They feel guilt that they may have passed that along.
BRAGMAN: But he's building a wall by going on TV. PINSKY: To save her life. He is doing what he thinks he needs to do to save her life. The fact is that having been an addict is a pretty traumatic environment to grow up in. It's very traumatic. That's the second hit that often creates --
BRAGMAN: You know what? If he had shown up in his cloth and ashes -- he shows up with his entourage, and he has his lawyer, his videographer and his body guards. I'm not buying it. This guy is in love with the attention.
KING: My dear late friend, Edward Bennett Williams, maybe the greatest lawyer who ever lived, and was a close friend of mine. This was -- he died in '88, so different times now. He would never let a client, relative of the client, anyone appear anywhere. Only the lawyer speaks. No one else speaks. Would that hold true today?
COPELAND: It can hold true today. We've got 24 hour news cycles.
KING: Is that a good idea today?
COPELAND: It depends. I think it depends on whether or not the client speaking puts the client's legal position in jeopardy. And, you know, look, I think --
KING: He wouldn't take the bet.
COPELAND: Look, remember this: Tom Mesereau, fantastic lawyer who you know well. Tom Mesereau left Robert Blake, left working for him because Robert Blake decided he was going to give an interview to "Good Morning America." Those kinds of things happen. There are some lawyers who really draw that line in the sand that, listen, if you want me to represent you, your legal position is in jeopardy, then don't talk. I tend to take that position with regard to most of my clients.
KING: Is it difficult for you to comment in on clients you don't examine?
PINSKY: No, it is. Any more so than it is to look at a symptom of medical conditions and say I think I understand what's going on. It helps people understand --
KING: You don't know what's in Lindsay's head?
PINSKY: I understand this disease of addiction very well. And it affects people in highly predictable ways. In terms of helping the public understand what they're watching -- I mean, I got involved in commentating because people would go, how come they can't find a relationship? How come they screw their life up so much? It's because of this thing we call addiction. It's a common condition. You said it's an epidemic yourself. It is and people need to understand what it is.
KING: Do we know how many people are addicted in America? Do we have any statistics? BRAGMAN: Tens of millions.
PINKSY: That's right, tens of millions.
KING: The most is prescription drugs?
PINSKY: Where we're losing the ground the most rapidly is prescription drugs.
KING: Someone is kiting these?
PINSKY: No, no.
KING: Playing doctor against doctor?
PINSKY: Sometimes it's just how we practice medicine has unwittingly sabotaged the disease of addiction. And some of it is in the younger populations who see it in their parents' medicine cabinet and just grabs it out of there left over after a wisdom tooth.
COPELAND: If that's the issue that Lindsay is facing and that's the most severe of those issues, how does she get help with that in jail?
PINSKY: I don't know. I understand there are units within the jail that can detox her. I understand some people get dispensations where they can get the drugs. She may just cold turkey it in jail. I don't know. I don't know the system well enough to understand how that works.
KING: Is it harder to be a crisis guy today?
BRAGMAN: Yes, we used to call it crisis control when I was a young man in PR. Now it's crisis management. But I always tell you, the lava is flowing out of the volcano. Instead of it destroying the village, you want it to go harmlessly out to sea, but it's going to keep coming.
KING: Thank you all very much. The tale of Lindsay Lohan.
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