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State of Automakers; Unregulated Web Imperils Privacy; CPR Made Easier
Aired July 30, 2010 - 10:00 ET
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ADM. MIKE MULLEN, JOINT CHIEFS CHAIRMAN: ... Mr. Assange can say whatever he likes about the greater good he thinks he and his source are doing, but the truth is they might already have on their hands the blood of some young soldier or that of an Afghan family.
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KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: Then there's passionate words manipulated, turned into something ugly that can cost a career. Just ask former USDA official Shirley Sherrod.
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SHIRLEY SHERROD, FORMER GA. DIR., RURAL DEVELOPMENT, USDA: At this point he hasn't apologized. I don't want it at this point. And he'll definitely hear from me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And just to follow up on that, there are reports that you are considering a lawsuit. Have you decided whether you're going to pursue that action?
SHERROD: I will definitely do it.
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PHILLIPS: And how about invasion of privacy. Like a secret people taped, aired to the world.
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ERIN ANDREWS, ESPN REPORTER: There have been times over the past year that I have screamed. I have cried. I have said to my family, why me? Why is this happening to me?
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PHILLIPS: This morning, we ask, do we need new laws for the internet? As we examine the tug of war between your first amendment rights and your privacy. How can you even fight back and protect yourself? From Cleveland, Avery Friedman, a civil rights law professor, also in Cleveland Ann Fitz, a criminal defense attorney and Josh Levs, our internet wizard, joining me here in studio. Avery, let's go ahead and start with you. Do we need new laws for the internet? AVERY FRIEDMAN, CIVIL RIGHTS LAW PROFESSOR: Well, you know, I actually think there are sufficient laws. This a collision course, Kyra, matching up our basic freedoms in terms of freedom of the press, freedom of information and our personal rights against invasion of privacy and certainly defamation.
The difficulty is that it's behavior, for example, the Erin Andrews case, certainly the leak of information, and also Shirley Sherrod. It's really the misbehavior of men who do inappropriate things. And I actually think that there are sufficient laws to protect against those sort of invasions.
PHILLIPS: But, it's not just about men behaving badly. I mean, we look at these few examples, but, I mean, go to anonymous commenters who say hateful and profane things on the internet, and it's taken as credible insight or fact and it plays out and affects people's lives.
FRIEDMAN: Well, that's exactly right. When you have anonymous information being disseminated, there's virtually little one can do. And so the question that the Congress has to face in trying to pass laws to stop that sort of behavior is if you don't know who the perpetrators are, there's not a whole heck of a lot you can do.
In the examples that we talked about at the top of this, Erin Andrews and Shirley Sherrod, there are laws that can deal with that sort of misbehavior. There are defamation laws. Why? Because we know who the individuals are, but your point about anonymous information on blogs, there's very little the law can do to stop that behavior.
PHILLIPS: And Josh, you know, you monitor the internet more than probably any of us here, and you know, there is no - you don't have to register your contact information as an anonymous commenter.
JOSH LEVS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, (INAUDIBLE) hear what Avery is saying right there. Let me draw a really important distinction. I'm going to bring in Ann. And the thing is Avery, yes, it is the case that in this case with Erin Andrews, they found out who did it and they were able to take action (INAUDIBLE), but the truth is there is a lot of cases out there (INAUDIBLE) disgusting photos or videos, taken in bathrooms, changing rooms, locker rooms, that are out there on the internet and people don't know who put them out there and can't do anything about that.
And what happens is even (INAUDIBLE) that is that when they try to get information from inside that video, find out the IP address or the computer that was used to load up that video, they can't because there have been times when prosecutors look at this and said, is it a federal law you need? Is it a state law? The internet is this big giant worldwide thing with all of this information out there.
And let me bring you in here. What kinds of laws do we need or are they adequate right now to protect individuals and their privacy while also protecting everyone's freedom of expression? ANN FITZ, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I don't think the laws are sufficient right now. Really, right now what we're looking at with the internet is the new wild west. Everybody is running crazy. There's all sorts of anonymous hacking and stalking and all sorts of things that are going on out there, and we do need regulation, but the question is how do we regulate freedom of speech, which is a fundamental right that everybody has and not infringe on that fundamental right while also protecting the right to privacy and all of those rights that go along with being protected on the internet?
Now, there's things that people can do. I think there's education is a big part of this. People can limit the information that goes on the internet, their personal information, and try to protect themselves that way. Of course, you can't control what other people do, and that's where we need to step in.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's right.
FITZ: There are, for child pornography laws, for example, for certain sites, they have trackers that will attach to an IP so that you can trace the user or the computer that are actually accessing those sites. Perhaps we need to do something like that on blogs.
LEVS: Well, you're putting a finger on the question right there.
LEVS: Go ahead, Avery.
FRIEDMAN: Those are criminal matters. Those are criminal matters. The examples that we're talking about, for example, Erin Andrews, the example of Shirley Sherrod, the question is if someone is victimized by it, what individual rights they have?
I agree with Ann, when it comes to criminal law, that's the government prosecuting, but when we're dealing with personal rights in terms of a civil remedy, I think it's very difficult for the Congress to enact legislation to provide for some civil claims, and that's really where the cutting edge is, where the collision course exists right now, when you're dealing with technology versus the law. That's where the problem is.
PHILLIPS: Well, and so I guess we all recognize the problem, right, and we all believe in freedom of speech, but there's a freedom of defamation that's going on. So the question is -
PHILLIPS: What do you guys see that should happen, could happen, is bound to happen? Ann?
FITZ: Well, I mean, I think that it's the same thing with the defamation and slander in the media, and the internet is just another form of the media. So to attach those type of civil laws and the civil remedies that go along with slander and libel in a newspaper or television outlet. I don't think that's unreasonable to attach to that the internet outlet as well.
Now, as far as the tracking is concerned, it's not only criminal to be able to track IP addresses and to develop some sort of software, something out there where we can trace where the postings are coming from. If there's a connection to the internet and something is being slanderous is being posted on the internet, then there's going to be some way to be able to trace where that came from. How did it get it's entry point onto the internet?
PHILLIPS: Well, that's a good point. Josh, you're talking about protecting your reputation. Shirley Sherrod, prime example. Yes, right. Andrew Breitbart came out and said, yes, that's me. I posted those clips. I'm taking claim for those clips. But if you look at all of the horrible things that were said about her anonymously -
PHILLIPS: It's just horrifying.
LEVS: And this happens all the time. There are amazing stories about people who have not gotten jobs, people who have lost jobs because anonymous people out there posted lies about them. So when we take a look of this broader issue of what's going on the internet, part of what we're trying to see here and this is a great discussion, in a way we got big brother versus big brother, right? I mean, any one out there can post anything about you, take a video of you anytime. That's a problem.
Flip side, do you really want to have to any time you post anything have some digital marker, so someone sues you or the government comes after you, they can always find that. How much anonymity do you deserve?
Avery, you are a civil rights expert. You're all about civil rights. You litigated so many cases in the civil rights world. Who wins that debate? What from now on will need to be there in order to protect people fairly without giving the government too much intrusion? Every time you go on the internet, you write something, you leak information, is there something that needs to change?
FRIEDMAN: Right. I think it's very, very difficult to regulate that kind of behavior. I think in a free society where we assign such great significance to our precious first amendment rights, there are times where information gets disseminated, and, again, the key here is that it's so difficult to find out who does that.
I don't disagree that some people are adversely affected, could affect their job, could affect their personal relationship, but ultimately in the balance, our Constitution places a priority on free speech, free press. So there's a limitation on how far individuals can go, and in the balance, in this culture clash, if you will, I think free speech prevails.
There are going to be people hurt. There are going to be people injured, but I think there are very, very limited remedies in terms of what one can do about it. PHILLIPS: Well, I mean, take for example, and I want you all guys to weigh in, OK. Wikipedia, you think Wikipedia and you think, OK. That's where I'll go for information. It's sort of like an encyclopedia, but however, that unlike the traditional encyclopedia, with a neutral bias, you know, someone with an ax to grind can spin someone's profile like that.
And you're supposed to be able to go on there and make changes and put the right things in there, but you can actually get blocked out of there by whomever is editing that page, people that don't have to identify themselves.
FRIEDMAN: Yes, but Kyra, in your example, when you got Wikipedia, you're going to have some level of accountability, you're going to be able to find out who those people are. So if there is defamatory -
PHILLIPS: Are you?
FRIEDMAN: Yes. You are.
PHILLIPS: I mean, Josh?
LEVS: Wiki does leave some marks and Wiki made some changes (INAUDIBLE), but Kyra's point is exactly the same. There are so many places on the internet that you can be purely anonymous and write absolutely anything.
LEVS: It leave people no recourse even when they truly clearly have damages, losing jobs, having people believe lies about them. They are left stranded that way. This is why I'm saying big brother versus big brother. Your take, Avery seems to be that in the end, freedom of speech is going to win out.
And let me ask you as well, Ann, in this tug, back and forth between which side is going to win here, do you see a future in which we have laws - let's say anytime you put anything on the internet it leaves a digital marker so if the government needs it or if someone needs it for a private lawsuit they can get it?
FITZ: Absolutely. If you look at it -
FITZ: Right now, there are video cameras that are out on the street for security purposes that are filming us every day, day in, day out. I don't see where a digital marker on the internet is any different from that sort of security surveillance, so to speak on the internet.
FITZ: I absolutely see that in the future.
FRIEDMAN: Well, now, the reason you have cameras out there is for issues of national security, a collective security. When you ultimately put markers on affecting everybody.
FITZ: Well, how many times have local enforcement -
FRIEDMAN: Let me finish my thought.
PHILLIPS: Quickly, Avery, because now we're getting into another aspect here. I just got the thumbs up that we all made good points and we got to move on. So can you be quick, Avery?
FRIEDMAN: My bottom line, you're not going to see that kind of intrusive marker. You're not going to see it. If it's an issue of national security, I understand it. You can throw the first amendment away if we have that kind of control. Not going to happen.
PHILLIPS: Well, I tell you what, this is a great discussion. It's definitely not going to stop here. Everybody's talking about this. We'll keep debating -
FRIEDMAN: And we just started.
PHILLIPS: Exactly. This is just the beginning. Josh, great stuff. Ann, fantastic. Avery, appreciate it so much. All of it. Wonderful information.
PHILLIPS: Great discussion. We'll talk more guys, for sure.
We want to know what you think. So here we go. Go to the internet. Should there be stiffer policing for the internet where I'm asking you to go and to my blog cnn.com/kyra. Go ahead and sound off. Tell me who you are. I'll read some of your comments later in the hour.
All right. Some seriously hot weather to tell you about. Parts of the country looking at a summer day that's not just uncomfortable but it's pretty darn dangerous, too.
PHILLIPS: Fiery and dangerous day ahead for hundreds of firefighters near L.A.. Three wildfires burning right now. Crews actually planning a big air assault on the "Crown Fire" at first light and then just after 7:00 a.m., it should be under way. At this point, the fire has driven about 2,000 people out of their hopes. Heat in other pars of the country will also be uncomfortable for most folks, possibly deadly as well.
Reynolds Wolf is tracking all that for us. REYNOLDS WOLF, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Yes, you know, what a contrast we have on both sides of the country. In parts of the West Coast, you kind of what they refer to as a dry heat, Mediterranean-style climate, but in parts of the south, it's the heat and it's the humidity.
Check out some of the temperatures across parts of South Carolina. These are current temperatures. These are not the highs of the day. 101 is the current temperature at least what it feels like when you combine the temperature with the high humidity, 101, it feels like 102. It's going to go even higher as the day time continues.
Now, what we can expect not just across parts of South Carolina, but we've got advisories, we've got warnings across, believe it or not, some 12 states. You see this area shaded in pink. That's where you happen to have your extreme heat warnings that are in effect, where it's going to feel like 110 to 121. Easy for me to say.
Something else is going to be easy to say is that the heat will extend into other places like Dallas. It will get up to about 100 again today and in places like say New Orleans, it's going to be muggy for you. But when you get up into portions of the central plains and the Ohio Valley or at least west of the Ohio Valley, we have a chance of that heat and humidity combining with the frontal boundary to give you a chance of some strong storms, maybe even some large hail and a possibility of a tornado also.
That's a quick snapshot of your forecast. It is going to be a busy weather day. We'll give you the very latest details on that. Kyra, let's send it back to you.
PHILLIPS: Reynolds, thanks.
American taxpayers still on the hook for billions of dollars that helped save GM and Chrysler. So was it worth it? CNN Money.com's Poppy Harlow checking it out for us.
PHILLIPS: President Obama heading to the Motor City today. He's going to visit a Chrysler and GM plant. The government helped bail both out last year. We're checking under the hood and kicking the tires of the U.S. auto industry. CNNmoney.com's Poppy Harlow has our breakdown from New York. It sounds like a country song, Poppy.
POPPY HARLOW, CNNMONEY.COM: I know.
HARLOW: It's interesting, what the White House is really positioning this as. So we pulled up the White House blog, they say the American auto industry, a comeback story, and they're touting this as one of the biggest successes of the Obama presidency. He is going to visit a GM plant where they're building that electric car, the Volt, and also, a Chrysler plant today.
This is the president's fifth trip to Michigan since he took office. His fifth trip there. Just astonishing how successful have those government assisted bankruptcies been? Let's take a look at the numbers here. First of all, we have GM sales up 11 percent since a year ago, Chrysler sales up 35 percent. A huge turnaround story there.
But the president spoke a year ago exactly about why the government stepped in to help these companies and the success he thinks they have been. Let's listen to that sound.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I said that if Chrysler and GM were willing to fundamentally restructure their businesses and make the hard choices necessary to become competitive now and in the future, it was a process worth supporting.
Now, today, after a painful period of soul-searching and sacrifice, both GM and Chrysler have emerged from bankruptcy.
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HARLOW: And, of course, the White House is saying, Kyra, if they had not stepped in with billions of taxpayer dollars to rescue these companies, 1.1 million American jobs would be lost. That number disputed by some. Robert Gibbs, the White House Press secretary, did speak about the issue in detail yesterday. I want you to listen to what he expects the president to see today when he lands in Detroit. Take a listen.
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ROBERT GIBBS, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: My guess is that the first 10 or 15 people that he sees and meets and talks to aren't going to be the first of their generation working in that plant. They're be fathers that worked there before, there will be grandfathers that worked there before. They did as well.
As a result of the tough investments that we made and the tough sacrifices made by all, we have an industry that looks fundamentally different in its progress than we did just a year and a half ago.
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HARLOW: We certainly do, but, Kyra, let's not forget taxpayers poured $85 billion in to save GM and Chrysler. Kyra.
PHILLIPS: How many jobs does the administration say were saved or created by the bankruptcy?
HARLOW: Great question. It's all about the jobs. They say 55,000 U.S. auto jobs have been added this year. But let's look at Michigan specifically. They've got an astonishingly high unemployment rate, 13.2 percent, the second highest in the nation, down just a little from where it was a year ago, but when you look at GM, the numbers don't really add up. GM has actually shed - take a look at these numbers, 10,000 jobs over the last year. As for Chrysler, they have actually added 3,500 jobs but let's not forget, the dealership folks, 2,100 dealership jobs are gone now when you compare that to a year ago.
I did, Kyra, just got off the phone with one of the former top execs, of one of those two auto companies and he said to me "look, this is a little bit never declare victory too soon" and a little bit of that is going on here. The administration declaring victory a little bit too soon here, possibly. Kyra.
PHILLIPS: All right. Poppy Harlow, thanks.
Let's take our top stories real quickly here. This hour we should get a better idea of BP's long-term plans to deal with the oil disaster. BP's new boss Bob Dudley holding a news conference in Mississippi. Officials say that crews could be just days away from finally sealing the ruptured well.
Legendary Congressman Charlie Rangel has spent 40 years on Capitol Hill but much of that legacy could be overshadowed by the events that are unfolding now. In a stinging indictment, the House Ethics Committee accuses him of 13 violations. Allegations ranged from jeopardizing the credibility of Congress to improperly accepting gifts and other financial wrong doings.
Protesters in the streets of Arizona voicing their concerns over the state's new stance against illegal immigration, despite a court ruling this week that blocks some of the most controversial portions of the law. As expected, Arizona is appealing.
And a new look at CPR, saving a life may even - well may be even easier than you think.
PHILLIPS: Well, if you've ever taken a CPR class, you got up, close and personal with that cold and mushy mannequin. Remember, you compress his chest then you perform mouth to mouth but could you muster those same rescue breaths for a complete stranger? It turns out you may not have to.
CNN's senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen here to explain what we're talking about.
ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: I don't know if you were -
PHILLIPS: Cold and mushy.
PHILLIPS: I remember this.
COHEN: Remember the whole thing?
PHILLIPS: Oh, in elementary school.
COHEN: It was like 30 pushes and two breaths and it was all sort of mathematical formula.
PHILLIPS: You to look to see if the chest was in.
COHEN: Yes. I think it was probably a little too much algebra for some people until they decided to see would it work just as well if we gave people who were having heart problems just the pushes. Just the pushes, and that's it. And these studies that are in the "New England Journal of Medicine" this week, they found it works just as well.
It's really quite amazing. People didn't really need to do the breathing. It worked just to do the chest compressions. And let me sort of give you the basics here. When you do the chest compressions, what you're looking to do is to put your hands between the nipples and to work really fast and push really hard and if you go to cnn.com/health.com, you can see a demonstration and what you really need to remember is to push hard. You may break a rib. That's OK. Push hard and fast to the beat of "Stayin' Alive." Remember "Stayin' Alive",? The BeeGees thing.
PHILLIPS: Remember that? OK. Everybody's dancing. Reynolds, do you want to help out?
WOLF: It's all good.
PHILLIPS: We have Josh and Reynolds.
PHILLIPS: A little more music. Show us how to save a life. Reynolds Wolf, ladies and gentlemen, this is how you save a life.
WOLF: What are we supposed to do here?
PHILLIPS: Here we go. You push.
COHEN: Chest compressions to the beat of "Stayin' Alive."
PHILLIPS: Give me your jacket. Oh, he drops the jacket.
WOLF: Right here and over the sternum.
COHEN: Right, right, right. Now, go. Hear that beat.
WOLF: He's saying please stop?
COHEN: Harder, harder, really. If you break a rib, that's OK. You're saving this guy's life.
WOLF: It is?
PHILLIPS: Yes, really. Just go for it. Don't be shy.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ladies and gentlemen, a whole new meaning to the BeeGees.
WOLF: There you go.
WOLF: Whatever it takes.
COHEN: I would leave my children with you any day.
WOLF: Scary thought. All right.
COHEN: That is a scary thought.
PHILLIPS: All right. So does that mean that the whole breathing thing is out?
COHEN: Well, you can do it if you are trained to do it and you fell comfortable doing it. You know how many compressions compared to how many breaths, go for it. But if you're not skilled in that, you don't need to do it and maybe it's best that you not do it. Because what was happening is people were stopping the pushes, the compressions, in order to do the breathing. You are better off just staying at it.
PHILLIPS: We're going to wrap up, but I'm really glad you pointed it out about breaking a rib. I had a friend way with a premature baby, and he had respiratory problems. And you know, he was this big, very fragile and she said she had to do this exactly, and she could feel that she was breaking the ribs, and it was devastating her but she saved her baby's life.
COHEN: Now, the technique is a little different with babies. I will say that. But absolutely, the broken rib is nothing compared to a heart that's not beating.
PHILLIPS: That's good information. Thanks so much, Elizabeth.
PHILLIPS: All right. So why are so many people in Arizona fed up with illegal immigrants?
A unique perspective through the eyes of a Mexican-American who says he understands the outrage.
PHILLIPS: Wikileaks under fire after it posted some 90,000 secret war documents, but its founder is fighting back after the Pentagon said that he may already have the blood of a soldier or an Afghan family on his hands.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) JULIAN ASSANGE, FOUNDER, WIKILEAKS: We are disappointed in what was left out of Secretary Gates' comments. Secretary Gates spoke about hypothetical blood, but the grounds of Iraq and Afghanistan are covered with real blood. Secretary Gates has overseen the killings of thousands of children and adults in these two countries.
Secretary Gates could have used his time, as other nations have done, to announce a broad inquiry into these killings. He could have announced specific criminal investigations into the deaths we have exposed. He could have announced a panel to hear the heartfelt descent of U.S. soldiers who know the war from the ground. He could have apologized to the Afghani people.
But he did none of these things. He decided to treat these issues and the countries affected by them with contempt. Instead of explaining how he would address these issues, he decided to announce how he would suppress them.
This behavior is unacceptable. We will not be suppressed. We will continue to expose abuses by this administration and others.
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PHILLIPS: Meanwhile, the military investigation into the Wikileaks source is zeroing in on this guy, Army intel analyst Bradley Manning. The 22-year-old Army private is now locked up in a Marine brig in Virginia, just flown in from Kuwait.
The showdown over Arizona's new immigration laws may eventually land in the U.S. Supreme Court, but for now the governor is asking a appeals court to intervene. Jan Brewer wants to the court overturn a federal judge's ruling that blocks police from questioning people about their immigration status. The governor says the state must act because the federal government isn't doing its job.
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GOV. JAN BREWER (R), ARIZONA: I really truly believe come election time, we're going to react in an interesting manner in regards to the federal government not behaving and not upholding they're responsibility that is bestowed upon them as our federal government. They have let us all down.
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AUDIENCE CHANTING: Go home!
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PHILLIPS: And you can tell by the protests, the tensions are still high. About 200 people who opposed the immigration law protested in downtown Phoenix yesterday. At least 15 people were arrested. A lot of people think Arizona's crackdown is right on target, and the outrage is understandable. CNN's Dan Simon introduces us to a Mexican-American with a unique perspective.
DAN SIMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): To know why so many here in Arizona are so fed up with illegal immigrants, you need to see it as they do. Jesse Hernandez offered to be our tour guide through the neighborhoods of Phoenix.
JESSE HERNANDEZ, CHAIRMAN AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, ARIZONA LATINO REPUBLICAN ASSOCIATION: There they are.
SIMON: First stop, he drives us a short way to one of those huge retailing mega-stores.
HERNANDEZ: It's just kind of a nuisance when you are going in shopping and they approach you in the parking lot, asking, you know, if they can work for you, or if they can, you know, solicit you for money.
SIMON: Twenty to 30 Latino men looking for work. It's hot, more than 100 degrees. He says they're paid cash, no taxes taken out. It hurts the local economy.
HERNANDEZ: All he's looking for is work.
SIMON: First-generation Mexican-American Jesse Hernandez might seem an unlikely guide on why the new law is exactly what Arizona needs.
(on camera): I think a lot of people would be surprised to hear that a Hispanic male is for 1070. Can you give people a sense as to how you arrived at that position?
HERNANDEZ: Well, you know, yes, they are surprised. They're even more surprised when they find out that my parents are from Mexico. I was born in Nogales, Arizona, and we came up here legally.
That really kind of started the process for me. So, right there then, still, if you're going to do something, do it right.
SIMON (voice-over): But Hernandez says it was his job at a bank, processing loans, that made him see things clearly.
HERNANDEZ: I saw a lot of the abuses by illegals, you know, of fraudulent Social Security numbers, fraudulent I.D.s, buying houses, stealing people's identities.
SIMON: These men admit they're here illegally, but they tell us; Look around. There are no Americans out here looking for work.
(on camera): What kind of jobs are you trying to do?
HERNANDEZ: He does any kind of labor that is to help out, I mean, maybe cleaning floors, laying tile.
SIMON (voice-over): They also tell us:
HERNANDEZ: They're not here to cause any problems. They're just here to work hard and get food to their families.
SIMON: Hernandez isn't swayed.
HERNANDEZ: This guy is paying no taxes. There's no paper trail of what he's making. So, he can go apply for food stamps, that he's not even paying into the system.
SIMON: For Hernandez and many others, the issue is largely economic, how their tax dollars go to a system that is burdened by illegal immigrants, who receive free medical care in hospitals and whose kids attend schools here.
But Hernandez and others worry about crime, even though it is actually down here.
(on camera): According to the U.S. Border Patrol, between 40 percent and 50 percent of all immigrant arrests occur in Arizona. If an illegal immigrant commits a crime in Phoenix, they will wind up here at the Maricopa County jail, otherwise known as tent city.
(voice-over): Hernandez says everyone has a crime story involving illegal immigrants. It happened to them or a friend or it happened just down the block, here at a suburban neighborhood.
(on camera): Why did you bring us here?
HERNANDEZ: Well, I just want to kind of show you, you know, when we were talking about the outrage that the Arizonans have.
SIMON (voice-over): This was once a drop house, a kind of transfer station used by smugglers. When cops raid these houses, they often find dozens of illegal immigrants crammed into small rooms. Some are beaten and held for ransom.
HERNANDEZ: When they did a raid here, they found -- I mean, one of the awful things that happened is, they found a young woman who was three months pregnant. They beat her so bad, her baby, she miscarried. She ended up -- they just punched her, and they beat her, and she lost her baby. See, this is the type of thing that outrages us.
SIMON: Kimberly Slarb bought the house after foreclosure. She, too, is angry about the cost of illegal immigrants.
KIMBERLY SLARB, RESIDENT OF PHOENIX, ARIZONA: There's a lot of stuff that they get away with and a lot of advantages that they get from being illegal.
SIMON (on camera): Like what?
SLARB: Welfare, free medical, food stamps, that kind of stuff. SIMON (voice-over): Hernandez's strong feelings about illegal immigrants has not only made him unpopular with many in the Latino community, but also within his own family.
SLARB: Some of my relatives that came over here illegally have taken advantage of the system, getting free medical, saving up their money, so they can send the money back to Mexico.
SIMON: He says he's not turning his back on his heritage. He just thinks of himself as an American first.
Dan Simon, CNN, Phoenix.
PHILLIPS: Well, here's an idea. Make all politicians talk to William Shatner. He has a way of making people bare their souls. Heck, he got an infamous killer to make a shocking statement from prison.
PHILLIPS: This hour, we should get a better idea of how BP plans to deal with the oil disaster in the months and years to come. Incoming CEO Bob Dudley will look beyond of efforts to permanently seat the ruptured well. That process could begin this weekend.
Top Mexican drug lord on the FBI's most wanted list has been killed in Mexico. We're told he was killed during a military raid yesterday in Guadalajara. Authorities say his drug trafficking penetrated throughout Mexico, the U.S. and several European, Central American and South American countries.
And a heat wave has us sizzling hot in the Southeast and the Gulf Coast reason (sic). This weekend, the heat index could top 100 degrees in certain areas.
They are called the highway helpers. And that's what Minnesota state highway worker Don Machacek did. He actually rescued a woman and her two children from their car after it plunged off a highway into a pond. D.O.T. and affiliate KARE caught the action as he actually made his mark. The woman says he saved her family's life.
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STELLA OBADIYA, RESCUED FROM WATER: My children were like, "Mom, stop, stop." "I'm trying." I told my daughter, "I'm mashing the brake, I'm mashing the brake."
DON MACHACEK, MINNESOTA DEPT. OF TRANSPORTATION: Instincts just took over and okay, they're still in the car, I got to go in. Nobody else is here, so I got to do it. So, I did.
OLA OBADIYA, STELLA OBADIYA'S HUSBAND: God used that man to rescue them, and it could be a lot more worse than what it was.
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PHILLIPS: Stella says that Don should change his name to Angel Don.
Free speech gone wild on the Internet. Reputations, careers destroyed. How far is too far? We're hearing from you next.
PHILLIPS: Well, the Internet virtually reaching into every corner of our lives, and there's a price to be paid for those digital interconnections. It's a valuable platform of free speech, but it can compromise our safety. Exhibit A, a $90,000 secret war document stash leaked. Or how about Shirley Sherrod? The words of the former USDA official twisted, and she lost her job? Then there's ESPN reporter Erin Andrews, the victim of a stalker who posted peephole video on the web.
We wanted to hear from you on this issue. And here's what we got.
Lori says, "There should be a way to police the Internet, and there's not. Just a problem with blogging and social media, but with cyberbullying as well."
And Jim says, "As much as I believe in the First Amendment, I also strongly believe in personal responsibility. Somewhere along the way people have gotten so far away from that, and it has really changed our country for the worse."
And remember, we always want to hear from you. Just log on to cnn.com/kyra and share your comments with us.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are now in extended orbit around earth using our ship's deflector shields to remain unobserved.
WILLIAM SHATNER, ACTOR (as Captain Kirk): Alert status?
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PHILLIPS: Well, maybe that's how you know William Shatner: cool, calm, collected Captain Kirk from Star Trek. Or maybe you know him as the older guy who can get you a really great deal in Cancun.
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SHATNER (acting): Family planning a trip to Cancun? I'm on it.
SINGER: Priceline Negotiator!
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PHILLIPS: Yes, take everything you know about William Shatner and just toss it aside for a second, because the guy might have missed his calling. He's become an accidental journalist. Shatner's got a new show on the Biography Channel called "Aftermath." Talks with newsmakers after their stories have fallen off the radar.
And get this, Shatner talked with Lee Boyd Malvo, one of the two D.C. snipers. You know, the one who hasn't been executed. Malvo talked to by phone to him from prison. He actually told Shatner there were supposed to be three or four snipers with silenced weapons.
Shatner is also interviewing Jessica Lynch and Mary Kay Letourneau. No telling what secrets they'll tell him, but we're all ears. You go, Shatner.
Let's go crosscountry now. From Ohio to Florida. First stop, somewhere in between. Charleston, South Carolina. Sixteen-year-old Alex Stam now knows a thing or two about revenge. Just days after being attacked by a shark and left with 40 stitches in his leg, he went fishing. His prize catch for the day? A four-foot shark that he says looked an awful lot like the one that attacked him. He kept the teeth as a trophy.
Next stop, Pompano Beach, Florida. The clerk is robbed, but harnesses the power of faith.
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ROBBER: Don't get scared.
CLERK: I'm not.
ROBBER: Stay nice and calm.
CLERK: You know what? I know you can do whatever you want. I'm just going to talk with you about the Jesus I have.
CLERK: The Jesus I've got, before you leave.
ROBBER: God bless you for that.
CLERK: I'm a Christian, and --.
ROBBER: So am I, and I absolutely hate doing this.
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PHILLIPS: And the story gets even more remarkable. The woman tells the gunman that she'll have to repay the money, so he has a change of heart. And as he's leaving, he tells her it was only a BB gun.
Let's finish up in Cleveland, Ohio.
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PHILLIPS: That man's not dressed for success. He's dressed for quite a whooping. Goading former fans of Lebron James by showing off the jersey of the King's new team, the Miami Heat. Not a smart move, pal. Security escorted the man out as the Cleveland faithful let loose.
We're not done with this guy yet. CNN's Jeanne Moos gives this story her own treatment at the bottom of the hour.
PHILLIPS: Now, pretty heartwarming story about a soldier and the stray dogs that he took in. They actually saved him and his unit from a deadly attack by a suicide bomb. And yesterday, Army National Guard Sergeant Christopher Duke was reunited with the dog he calls Rufus.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, puppy.
SGT. CHRISTOPHER DUKE, ARMY NATIONAL GUARD: And to be honest with you, until just this minute, I still was skeptical until I saw him walk around the corner. It was pretty unbelievable.
Hi, boy. I really didn't expect him -- to be honest with you, I really didn't even expect him to live, much less be here with me and at my house. It's out of control. He doesn't remind me of anything except for how loyal they are and how much I love them, really. It's indescribable. I just can't -- I just can't believe it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To see him, he can't stop smiling.
DUKE: C'mon, Rufus.
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PHILLIPS: A little shout out to the nonprofit group, Hope for the Warriors. They're the ones who helped sponsor that reunion.
PHILLIPS: Now "Home and Away," our daily tribute to our fallen heroes in Iraq and/or Afghanistan. We'll tell you how you can become a part of it in just a minute.
But first, we want to lift up and honor Specialist Robert Swani, killed in a roadside bomb attack in Iraq in July, 2005. He ahd just turned 21 and was only in the service for six months before he died. Robert planned to use his money from the service to pay for college and then go on to become a nurse or police officer.
Now, his dad shared a pretty funny story with us. He said, "Robert was trying to put a net on an armored vehicle when a large hook smacked him in the mouth." Most of the us would shout out the most horrific profanities, right? Well, listen to this. "Robert, who was a prayer leader and a devout Christian, went a different route. He cussed, but his buddies said that Robert shouted cuss words that they had never even heard before. They believe he actually made them all up." Today, we not only honor Robert's service and life, but his faith.
We want to hear more from you and the stories of such sacrifice. Go to our Web site, CNN.com/homeandaway, and put your service member's name in the upper right hand search field, pull up the profile, add your memories and send us pictures, too. And we'll add all of them to our Hall of Heroes.
PHILLIPS: Hey, what's wrong, Cleveland, too soon? I guess so. The guy went to an Indians game wearing LeBron Bames' new Miami Heat jersey. Well, the fans pretty much forgot about baseball. Jeanne Moos has the story.
JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This is what happened when a guy picked the wrong basketball jersey to wear to a Cleveland baseball game. 29-year-old Matthew Bellamy had the audacity to wear a Lebron James shirt at a time when Cleveland fans are setting them on fire, burning posters, eradicating his image, after he moved to Miami. When Matthew showed up in a Lebron jersey this YouTuber reported --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He's got [ bleep ] of steel. He's already been booed several times.
MOOS: But when they put Matthew on the jumbo screen and the whole stadium booed, that's when things really got started.
MATTHEW BELLAMY, LEBRON JAMES FAN: Having beer thrown at me and peanuts come flying from every direction. I don't take any crap, you know. Like, I thought it was absolutely hilarious. Because everybody's got their own opinion. You can wear whatever you want.
MOOS: Matthew, a factory worker, was at the game with his girlfriend Wendy. She doesn't take any crap either. She started pushing a guy for allegedly throwing peanuts at her. Police escorted the pair from the stadium as Wendy repeatedly wagged her middle finger.
Matthew wasn't just wearing a Lebron jersey. It was a Miami Heat Lebron jersey. Now, if the guy had really wanted to avoid feeling the heat in Cleveland, there are plenty of other t-shirts we could recommend that the crowd would have loved. Instead of Lebron, he could have worn LeBoob, LeBrutus, LeBum James or Lebron Shames. But Matthew still loves Lebron, though he's disappointed he went to Miami.
Now Matthew's talking to lawyers about suing the stadium for ejecting him. Or were they protecting him? It's enough to make you want to crawl in a hole.
Maybe not that one.
Jeanne Moos, CNN, New York.
PHILLIPS: Well, that does it for us. Have a great weekend. So Drew, what do you think? If we all came running through the newsroom in Fox News gear --
DREW GRIFFIN, CNN ANCHOR: Go ahead and try that, Kyra! We'll get the camera ready for you. That's a great idea. I love O'Reilly right over you.
PHILLIPS: Have a great show.
GRIFFIN: Happy Friday, Kyra.