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Lohan Released From Jail Straight to Rehab
Aired August 02, 2010 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight. After Hollywood superstar Lindsay Lohan not only breaks the law repeatedly, cocaine, booze, DUIs, even dissing the judge as a no-show to court, sending the judge the message "F U," she walks out of jail in the dark of night after just 13 days of a three-month sentence. That`s right, Lindsay Lohan walks!
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lindsay Lohan was released from custody at 1:35 this morning.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The party`s over for the party girl.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No party time?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Per a court order, she has been sent directly to her next destination...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is a blessing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... which is a treatment center.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s just 23 years old.
LINDSAY LOHAN, ACTRESS: I`m just a normal girl.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lindsay Lohan`s out of jail...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... and in treatment in rehab.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is insane.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We can all go home now.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The definitely is here to surrender.
LOHAN: Hi. I`m Lindsay Lohan.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s accepted responsibility.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You do feel for sorry her.
LOHAN: It`s only going to be positive for me now.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She kind of exited jail relatively unnoticed.
LOHAN: That was never my intention.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... wee hours of the morning...
LOHAN: ... leave a good impression on people...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s scared, as anyone would be.
LOHAN: ... really can`t ask for more.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This concludes her custody.
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GRACE: And tonight, live, Arizona. A 2-year-old baby boy wearing just a diaper, asleep in a tent with his mother, vanishes without a trace.
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911 OPERATOR: 911. Where`s the emergency?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking news. (INAUDIBLE) frantic 911 calls.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... the campsite next to Beaver Creek. My -- my - - my friend`s mom -- well, his brother is gone and he`s missing.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... two-year-old Syler Newton...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We, need to have a sheriff out here. We`ve got a little boy missing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Baby boy is missing.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... one of our campers...
911 OPERATOR: And it`s a 2-year-old little boy?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. He got up during the nighttime and walked away, I guess.
911 OPERATOR: OK. Do they know what he was wearing?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... missing from a campground wearing only a diaper...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Syler Newton has not yet been found.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... teams plan to expand their search.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... authorities searching over 200 tons of trash in a nearby landfill.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... search and rescue teams...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The search is under way...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... camping with his custodial mother, Kristina Preem (ph), and her family.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... soon-to-be adoptive mom...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... not Syler`s mom...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Doing horrible! My baby`s gone!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... his biological mother, Charity (ph) Newton...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I hope he`s found alive. That`s my best hope right there.
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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. After just 13 days of a three-month sentence, Lindsay Lohan walks.
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JUDGE MARSHA REVEL, LOS ANGELES DISTRICT COURT: ... 30 days...
-- 30 days...
-- 30 days in jail.
That`s 90 days in jail.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... Lindsay out of lockup...
LOHAN: It did wake me up.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was released from jail overnight.
LOHAN: Yes, of course it scared me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... released from custody at 1:35 this morning.
LOHAN: I`ve learned from my experiences.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She did not parade out of the front door, a la Paris Hilton.
LOHAN: I`m out there right now and I`m an easy target.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... transported in one of these two SUVs...
LOHAN: I take responsibility for my actions.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... transported to a treatment facility...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... next destination, which is a treatment center...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She avoided a huge scene.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s resolute and she`s doing it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And she will now be under the supervision of the LA County Probation Department.
LOHAN: I guess that`s really all I had to say.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... just 13 days behind bars...
LOHAN: It`s getting so repetitive.
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GRACE: Straight out to Alexis Tereszcuk, standing by there at the UCLA Medical Center. Alexis Tereszcuk, she walks out of jail, and there was not a Paris Hilton catwalk? What happened? How did Lindsay Lohan, number one, get out of jail in just 13 days? Number two, get out of jail without anybody seeing her?
ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: Well, she got out of jail in just 13 days because the LA County sheriff`s department has a policy that you get time off -- or time out for good behavior. They have a formula. They say it`s not an exact science, but...
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa! Tereszcuk! Tereszcuk! Tereszcuk! It`s not time out for good behavior. Time out is what little children get when they go sit in the corner.
TERESZCUK: You`re right.
GRACE: It`s time off. Time off...
TERESZCUK: Time off, sorry.
GRACE: ... for good behavior. Go ahead.
TERESZCUK: So she -- her sentence was reduced based on the number of days that she was there. And the prisons are really overcrowded here in Los Angeles County, so the sheriff made a decision...
GRACE: Wait a minute! Wait a minute! Wait a minute! Wait, wait, wait! Wa-wa-wa-wait! She was only there for 13 days. It was a three- month sentence. That`s over 90 days. So what, 13 times 9? For every one day, you get nine days free? How does that work, Alexis?
TERESZCUK: Well, Steve Whitmore, the sheriff`s PIO, told me specifically, Alexis, this is not an exact science. I`m not the sheriff`s department, but this is what they decided to do. This was...
GRACE: OK...
TERESZCUK: ... the sheriff`s decision himself. I think they make this decision a lot.
GRACE: You know what? Alexis, that is BS! You know, I don`t have it out for Lindsay Lohan. I`m just telling you that you don`t get nine days for every good day of good behavior. It`s usually, at best, two for one.
What about it, Ellie Jostad? What do you know? Why 13 days on a three-month jail sentence? When you get good time, it`s maybe day for day or maybe, maybe two days for every good day of behavior.
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Right, right. And what the LA County sheriff`s department told us is that -- what Alexis said, that there`s overcrowding. They`re under a federal mandate to reduce their levels of inmates in the jail, that it`s a budgetary concern, that a lot of their budget goes toward custody of inmates and they have to cut back when their budget gets cut. So (INAUDIBLE) get cut.
GRACE: Ellie? Ellie?
JOSTAD: Yes?
GRACE: So their plan is that they let all the starlets out early? That`s their plan to reduce the jail population?
JOSTAD: Well, apparently. And it`s not just...
GRACE: Apparently!
JOSTAD: ... starlets. They say that most non-violent offenders serve about 25 percent of their sentence.
GRACE: Twenty-five percent. OK, back to you Alexis Tereszcuk. How does she manage to get out without anyone seeing her? What, did she drive out of the bat cave underneath the jail?
TERESZCUK: You are exactly right. She had a special car provided by UCLA. It was a mini-van. It wasn`t the SUV that people think it was. It went inside through a protected gate where nobody could see her. She got in there with her lawyer and a representative from the hospital. They drove out. It was a mini-van that nobody expected to see. Nobody had followed it in. And one other SUV followed her out. That was the van -- I`m sorry, the SUV that had her mother in it.
They drove unescorted without police up until they got about onto the freeway, and then two police officers joined them. Basically, the sheriff`s office allowed there to be a decoy. There were two SUVs that pulled up in the front, where everybody thought that that was Lindsay and her mom. And the paparazzi followed them all the way down to Newport Beach, where originally, it had been reported that Lindsay was going to be going, and that wasn`t them. Lindsay arrived at UCLA about 35 minutes later completely -- almost unnoticed, except we got a video at Radaronline. And she...
GRACE: I`m looking at it right now, Alexis. Alexis, hold on. I just want to tell the viewers. We`re taking a look at video caught by Radaronline.com. And that is the vehicle Lohan makes her getaway in. But Alexis, how do you know she`s in there?
TERESZCUK: Well, we spoke with several sources who confirmed that she was in that. Sheriff`s PIO said that she left in a mini-van and several of our sources confirmed that Lindsay was in there, and then they confirmed she was in the car with her lawyer, Shawn Chapman Holley, as well as with a representative from UCLA. So we`re very confident that she was in there.
GRACE: To Carlos Diaz, syndicated radio host and journalist, also joining us there at UCLA Medical Center. Carlos, what happened to the original plan? She was originally going to go to another rehab? What happened to that?
CARLOS DIAZ, SYNDICATED RADIO HOST, JOURNALIST: She was going to go to Morningside in Newport Beach, and that story was leaked and reported by TMZ.com on Sunday. And the plans changed at the last minute by judge Marsha Revel to the UCLA Medical Center. The Morningside facility just released a statement moments ago saying that they think that she`s better off at UCLA because the containment at UCLA is much better than at Morningside. It`s much more...
GRACE: What do you mean by that, the containment?
DIAZ: ... casual at Morningside.
GRACE: What`s containment?
DIAZ: The fact that -- the fact that she`ll be looked after more, that she can`t just walk right off the grounds at UCLA. Even though UCLA is more known for their outpatient...
GRACE: Put up Diaz! Put up Diaz. Carlos Diaz -- "containment."
DIAZ: Yes.
GRACE: Does not mean she`s going to be looked after.
DIAZ: Yes.
GRACE: You mean she`s going to be contained, kept in, it`s more secure? Is it a lockdown of some sort?
DIAZ: Yes. Well, of course. I mean, that`s -- and that`s what -- well, that`s what Morningside is saying. Morningside is saying that it`s a better facility than they could offer as far as keeping her in the facility, which, you know, she`ll have to be for the next 90 days.
GRACE: Everybody, we`re taking your calls live. We have also been advised that the judge did not want her to have any time between jail and going to rehab, concerned that she would get back on booze and pills. A lot of stories floating around that methamphetamines were involved. Her camp denies that. Someone, I guess they think cocaine is better. Long story short, the judge kept cutting the hours that she would be out of jail. Finally, it was agreed that she would be picked up directly from the jail and taken straight to a locked-down facility at UCLA Medical Center.
Out to the lines. Laura in Texas. Hi, dear.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. How are you?
GRACE: I`m good. Thank you for calling. What`s your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You`re welcome. My question is, is why do they keep putting her in rehab and it is not working for her?
GRACE: You know what? Since she`s getting just 13 days behind bars on a three-month sentence -- let`s go to Ken Seeley, founder of Intervention911.com, author of "Face It and Fix It." What can this rehab do for her? And apparently, the expertise there at UCLA Medical Center, Ken, is dual. There is very likely some type of a psychiatric issue being addressed, as well as some type of addiction, is what my sources are telling me.
KEN SEELEY, INTERVENTION911.COM: Yes, I hear the same thing, Nancy. The only thing that I know of that they do at UCLA is a psych ward. I don`t know of any inpatient chemical dependency unit there. So the only thing that I know that I`m aware of in all the years that I`ve been working in the field is that they have an outpatient program, but nothing that`s inpatient.
But I do agree with what Morningside is saying. If they put her in the locked-down unit at the psych ward, it will be much more contained. So I do agree with that.
GRACE: OK, let me ask you this. Are you telling me in kind of a round-about way that you believe Lindsay Lohan has been put in UCLA Medical Center for psychiatric treatment?
SEELEY: Now, I did not hear that, but that`s the only unit that I know that UCLA has.
GRACE: Well, if that`s the only unit they`ve got and that`s where she`s at, well, what does that say to you? I think two plus two still equals four, does it, Sue Moss?
SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: (INAUDIBLE) Lindsay -- and Lindsay liar (ph) out of prison attire before her time did expire! The fact -- let me get this straight! There wasn`t enough money to keep her in prison, but there was enough money to have police escorts to take her to and from the prison to the UCLA rehab, if, in fact, there is a rehab at UCLA? This is absolutely disgusting!
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REVEL: ... 30 days in jail on the first DUI case consecutive and 30 days in jail on the second DUI case.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lindsay Lohan`s out of jail.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was under the cover of darkness, middle of the night.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So much for that 90-day sentence.
REVEL: She has to take this seriously. I warned her before.
LOHAN: You know, you live and you learn, and that`s what`s great about growing up.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) very serious.
LOHAN: You know, you only live once.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... Lindsay Lohan...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lindsay Lohan is out of jail.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Lindsay Lohan was released from custody at 1:35 this morning.
LOHAN: (INAUDIBLE) again so I can have this all put behind me.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was released overnight after spending just 13 days behind bars.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What`s the biggest misconception about Lindsay Lohan?
LOHAN: That I`m out all the time and I`m irresponsible.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She has been sent directly to her next destination, which is a treatment center.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We know that rehab in the past hasn`t worked.
LOHAN: Everyone has their ups and downs.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She did go to rehab three times, going back three years ago.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s an addict.
LOHAN: I don`t believe that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We know that rehab in the past hasn`t worked.
LOHAN: I got into this because I enjoy acting, not because I enjoy going to court.
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GRACE: We are taking your calls live. Lindsay Lohan released from behind bars after just 13 days of a three-month sentence. The jail says it`s not an exact science and they are trying to reduce their jail population by letting all the young starlets out early.
Diane in Ohio. Hi, Diane. What`s your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, I just wanted to find out, if she was in the cell by herself, why did they release her so early, since she wasn`t holding up anything? And why can the sheriff overdo (ph) the judge`s 90 days?
GRACE: Well, I can tell you this part. First of all, let`s unleash the lawyers -- Susan Moss, family law attorney in New York, Joey Jackson, defense attorney and Mickey Sherman, criminal defense attorney, Sherman, author of "How Can You Defend Those People?" joining us out of New York.
Mickey, bottom line is this. The judge, any judge, can sentence you to X amount of time. But what it boils down to is the severity of the crime and the overcrowding of the jail. If the jail is too crowded, every jail in this country is under federal mandate not to be overcrowded. They have to release somebody. And I guess, whoops, it just happened to be Lindsay Lohan.
MICKEY SHERMAN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: And the danger to the community of the person. And she`s not clearly a danger to the community...
GRACE: Really?
SHERMAN: Well, yes.
GRACE: Didn`t she run over somebody`s foot?
SHERMAN: Well...
GRACE: Would you like that to be your foot, Sherman?
SHERMAN: No, but I got to tell you, I got to believe -- maybe it`s a wild guess on my part -- that there are more dangerous people locked up in the Los Angeles area.
GRACE: Well, there`s no doubt about that. But there are just as -- that jail is probably packed full of shoplifters, DUIs, got a couple of ounces of marijuana.
SHERMAN: I don`t know about that.
GRACE: Yes.
SHERMAN: I don`t know about that.
GRACE: Yes.
SHERMAN: I think it`s...
GRACE: Hookers doing overnights.
SHERMAN: ... courageous on the part of the sheriff...
GRACE: Courageous?
SHERMAN: ... knowing that he would be criticized. Absolutely.
GRACE: Courageous?
SHERMAN: To make the right call.
GRACE: You know, I`m sure that means a lot to him, coming from Mickey Sherman, that he`s courageous.
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SHERMAN: I`m sure I`ll get a note in the morning.
GRACE: Weigh in, Jackson.
JOEY JACKSON, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Jackson says that Mickey`s right. Look, the fact is, she`s not a murderer. She`s not a pedophile. She`s someone certainly that is non-violent.
GRACE: Wait a minute. Put Joey Jackson up! Jackson, to my knowledge, you have an excellent reputation as an attorney, not as an echo. Give me an original thought!
JACKSON: Listen...
GRACE: I`m going to go to a caller, then I`m going to let you percolate.
JACKSON: Thank you.
GRACE: Then I`m going to come back to you for something original.
JACKSON: Thank you.
GRACE: OK, Kim in Arizona. What`s your question, dear?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Welcome back. We`ve missed you.
GRACE: Likewise.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thanks. Really quick, who was taking responsibility regarding the doctors who were prescribing these medications, considering that some of them are in comparison to methamphetamine?
GRACE: To Ken Seeley, Intervention911.com, author of "Face It and Fix It." Ken, is there anyone that takes a look at all the medication she was on and somehow oversees the doctors that are giving her all this medication?
SEELEY: Unfortunately, right now, Nancy, no. There isn`t anyone taking -- being accountable for that, and that`s part of the broken system that we`re dealing with. You know, these doctors are able to write as many prescriptions as they want with no accountability. And that`s why people are dying. We need to have them to be accountable for who they`re writing these scripts to. It`s a good question.
GRACE: Back to Alexis Tereszcuk, standing by there in front of UCLA Medical Center. So Alexis, is she or is she not in a locked-down ward?
TERESZCUK: We understand that she`s in this medical facility here at UCLA, but I don`t think that it`s a lockdown with, say, padded walls. But it`s definitely very secure. The one thing that Judge Revel was really concerned about was if she was sent to Morningside, that she would be able to receive drugs from people bringing them in from the outside. That`s a much more relaxed and open rehab center. So that she wanted her in something very secure.
There are security guards on every level here at the hospital and every entrance. It`s impossible to infiltrate this if you`re not really, you know, a doctor or the person or a patient here. And Lindsay`s going to have a very strict visitor list. And in fact, with most rehabs, I don`t think she`s going to be allowed to have any visitors the first 30 days. So she has -- she -- she -- for all effects (ph), really is under lockdown, but it`s not as if she`s handcuffed to her bed or anything like that.
GRACE: Well, is it true -- out to you, Carlos Diaz, syndicated radio host, journalist -- that even now, she is trying to cut a deal for her jailhouse diary?
DIAZ: You know, we`ve heard that $1 million is the going asking price for her first interview when she gets out of jail. So here`s a great situation. Lindsay Lohan makes money for heading to the slammer.
GRACE: How much did you say, Diaz?
DIAZ: One million dollars.
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LOHAN: ... headlines constantly.
It`s my career. It`s something I`ve worked for my entire life!
I know it`s true and they know it`s true.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my gosh, sir, they`re following us! We need help!
LOHAN: I respect you. I`ve been taking it seriously.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is it too little, too late?
LOHAN: What am I supposed to do?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Actress Lindsay Lohan reportedly now in rehab.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Lindsay Lohan is out of jail.
LOHAN: It`s so silly. Who cares?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was released from jail overnight.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was under the cover of darkness, middle of the night, no pictures, no video, nothing.
LOHAN: I want to be a good role model.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If she violates probation again, we know what happens. She will have earned himself a one-way ticket back to the slammer.
LOHAN: Sounds bad, and I hope it doesn`t happen again.
(INAUDIBLE) really all I had to say.
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GRACE: Why is she out of jail? A three-month sentence, she did 13 days! Now Carlos Diaz hits me with a brick right as we go to commercial break, telling me she`s going to make a million dollars on her story! That`s $76,000 a day, if I`m adding correctly.
Diaz, is that correct, $76,000, a million dollars for 13 -- hey, I`ll go to jail for that! No problem, especially if I can live it up in my own...
DIAZ: Well, Nancy...
GRACE: ... private jail cell and have lockdown whenever I walk down the hall!
DIAZ: Yes. Well, first and foremost, Nancy, you know I would never hit you with a brick. But secondly, yes, $1 million is what we`re hearing is the top of the line asking price for her...
GRACE: You know what?
DIAZ: ... for the interview...
GRACE: You know what?
DIAZ: ... that she`s going to be giving when she gets out of rehab, yes.
GRACE: Don`t worry. She`ll spend it all on booze and hot pants. That`s the first thing she`ll do...
DIAZ: You know, Nancy...
GRACE: ... is run out and buy clothes!
DIAZ: Nancy, your attitude right now is -- you are echoing what America is thinking right now. You...
GRACE: Booze and hot pants! That girl has...
DIAZ: People are -- people are...
GRACE: ... more pairs of hot pants than they had throughout the entire 1970s!
DIAZ: But see, that`s the thing. America is thinking the same way you are, Nancy, right now. They`re outraged that even though 13 days was what was said going in, that`s what she would spend in jail, a lot of people are saying the same thing that you`re saying, that...
GRACE: Nobody told me 13 days!
DIAZ: ... it was not enough.
GRACE: I didn`t hear 13 days! All I know is you don`t reduce your jail population by letting out all the starlets. But you know what? The judge had no hand in this. The judge did the right thing, even after Lindsay Lohan said "F U, Judge."
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She was sentenced to 90 days in jail. But after just 13 days, Lindsay Lohan is out.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: It seems like the world`s just obsessed with everything that you do.
LINDSAY LOHAN, ACTRESS: I`m flattered.
JUDGE MARSHA REVEL, SUPERIOR COURT, BEVERLY HILLS: Thirty days in jail. On the reckless driving case.
LOHAN: Are you kidding me?
REVEL: Thirty days in jail on the first DUI case consecutive.
LOHAN: I don`t believe that.
REVEL: Thirty days in jail on the second DUI case consecutive.
LOHAN: She`s so annoying.
REVEL: That`s 90 days in jail.
LOHAN: Yeah right.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The actress was released from the Lynnwood facility in California about 1:30 this morning.
LOHAN: It was a little too late.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She must comply with the jailtime.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Ninety-day sentence. She gets 13. Now it`s 90 days in rehab.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Got out much earlier because of overcrowding.
LOHAN: I don`t want to jinx myself. Let`s not talk about that.
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: We are taking your calls live. Out to Natalie in Texas. Hi, Natalie.
NATALIE, CALLER FROM TEXAS: Oh, my gosh.
GRACE: Hello. Are you there, dear? Oh, this is Joy in Missouri. Hi, Joy.
JOY, CALLER FROM MISSOURI: Hi. Glad to see you back.
GRACE: I`m glad to be back.
JOY: I bet you are.
GRACE: Of course, I loved being with the twins for all those days straight, but I am happy to be back. Especially on this story and our next story about the missing 2-year-old boy.
So, Joy, what`s your question?
JOY: OK. Maybe I`m stupid, OK, but --
GRACE: OK, you`re not stupid. I can tell you that right now. Go ahead.
JOY: I just wonder why -- OK, if she got released from jail because they were overcrowded, that leaves her with 77 days. Why doesn`t that just get added to the time she has to spend in rehab?
GRACE: That`s a good idea. Why doesn`t it work that way?
Out to you, Susan Moss. How I wish it could work that way. But why doesn`t it?
SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY & CHILD ADVOCATE: Absolutely. And it makes sense that it should work that way because she`s actually paying for the rehab. It doesn`t work that way because one is a private institution and one is a public institution.
But she`s going to UCLA. At least she finally got into a college.
GRACE: To Michelle Golland, psychologist and expert on MomLogic.com. Michelle, weigh in. What do you make of all of this? What can UCLA do for her that the other rehabs couldn`t?
DR. MICHELLE GOLLAND, PSYD., PSYCHOLOGIST, EXPERT ON MOMLOGIC.COM: You know, I am really pleased, Nancy, that she is actually at NPI because what they are going to be able to do is to deal with --
GRACE: What`s NPI?
GOLLAND: Well, the National -- the Psychiatric Institute. The Neuropsychiatric Institute at UCLA. And it is --
GRACE: . OK, wait, wait. Hold on, hold on, Michelle.
Brett, can you please put up the control room camera quickly? Dana, I would like to know why you are showing seductive shots of Lindsay Lohan in a leotard and knee boots. That has nothing to do with what we`re talking about. But thank you for your blatant attempt to exploit the photos.
OK. Stop. Back to you, Dr. Golland.
GOLLAND: Thank you, Nancy.
GRACE: Go ahead.
(LAUGHTER)
GOLLAND: Thank you. Because what we probably are seeing here is that what has been discovered is that Lindsay actually has a mental health issue. And not just --
GRACE: How do you know that? Nobody is confirming that. How do we know that?
GOLLAND: I mean --
GRACE: Because it`s UCLA and their forte is psychiatric treatment, not rehabilitation?
GOLLAND: That would be my guess. And truthfully, I think what I have always believed clinically about Lindsay is that her substance abuse issue is really related to untreated anxiety, depression and, let`s face it, issues related to a very difficult upbringing in the sense of her parents and their lack of boundaries.
And their -- you know, a very narcissistic father and a very overindulgent mother. So in my estimation, I have to say, I was -- I am cautiously optimistic about her recovery in dealing with the real, real emotional issues, Nancy.
GRACE: I am going to go to Mark Novak. And thank you, Michelle Golland. Former NYPD captain, president of Global Security Group and joining us out of New York.
Mark, everyone keeps poo-pooing Lohan`s record. But take a look at it. DUIs, cocaine, running over someone`s foot, aggravated assault. Could have been made out with a vehicle on that case. Numerous brawls at bars.
You know, you add all that up, that`s -- that`s quite an extensive little resume she`s got going on.
MARK NOVAK, FMR. NYPD CAPTAIN, PRESIDENT OF GLOBAL SECURITY GROUP: Absolutely right. Taken by themselves individually, they would all be maybe what`s categorized as minor offenses. But when you look at it over her history, it`s just -- it`s a progression of offenses that she commits.
And why does she keep doing them? Because there`s never any repercussion for her actions. Even though she`s given 90 days she`s let out in 13. And this is just part of the pattern. She`s a celebrity. She can do what she wants and no one is ever going to hold her accountable for her actions. And I think --
GRACE: And not only that, Mark. Not only that. She`s getting paid for this. Probably a million dollars. A million dollars.
NOVAK: Kind of boggles the mind. Makes you wonder, doesn`t it?
GRACE: Yes, it does. And it makes me wonder what the L.A. Sheriff`s Office is thinking because this sends a message to everyone. Now everybody that has a case like Lohan`s is going to want to be treated like she was.
I want to go to Dr. Glenn Kolansky, board certified physician. Dr. Kolansky joining us out of New York.
Do you expect Lohan who`s had any reaction to coming off booze and drugs?
DR. GLENN KOLANSKY, M.D., BOARD CERTIFIED PHYSICIAN: Probably not -- Nancy, she`s still on drugs. The girl is still on anti-depressants. She`s -- which you have to withdraw very slowly so she doesn`t get any of the side effects of withdrawal symptoms which can be seizures, it`s confusion. Things like that.
She`s been on multiple medications. Added to that is the illicit drug use and alcohol. So I actually believe in this facility she will be monitored or placed on a withdrawal for some of the medications she`s been placed on by multiple physicians.
GRACE: Out to the lines.
NALLEY, CALLER FROM TEXAS: Hi, Miss Nancy. How are you?
GRACE: I`m good, dear. What`s your question?
NALLEY: My question is, can`t her attorney take a more aggressive role, take conservatorship since her mom is out spending her money? She`s practically broke. And that`s her pimp and her pusher, her own mother and father.
GRACE: Well, the mother is out partying, trying to party along with her at parties and the father is always calling press conferences to talk about basically himself. He apparently -- to you, Alexis Tereszcuk -- is not on any of the list for visitation, correct?
ALEXIS TERESZCUK, REPORTER, RADAROLINE.COM: You are absolutely correct. Lindsay wants nothing do with Michael Lohan. She doesn`t want to see him, she doesn`t want to talk to him. She doesn`t want to Twitter with him.
But what he has been saying since she was released, she said, you know, that she found God behind bars and that this is a wonderful thing and she needs to mend fences with her family.
I think the last thing on earth that Lindsay Lohan wants to do is mend fences with her father. She absolutely hates him. She does a really close relationship with her mother but it`s all she has. She`s got to have somebody to take care of her and to help her.
And she looks to the one woman who maybe perhaps isn`t the best mother in the world but it`s all she has and she`s got to depend on somebody. So that`s what she does. She looks to her mom, but she does not want anything to do with Michael.
GRACE: Ellie Jostad, how was it arranged that she be released at 1:45 a.m.?
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE CHIEF EDITORIAL PRODUCER: Right. Well, we`ve seen this before with other celebrities like Paris Hilton getting let out late at night or entering jail late at night at odd hours on Sundays, that kind of thing.
We don`t know exactly how they arrange this but we do know that they made every effort to try to minimize the paparazzi involvement. As Alexis explained, they even allowed a decoy and they tried to minimize the paparazzi getting shots of Lindsay Lohan.
GRACE: Out to the lines, Shirley, West Virginia. Hi, Shirley.
SHIRLEY, CALLER FROM WEST VIRGINIA: Hi.
GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?
SHIRLEY: Well, she was sentenced to 90 days in jail, and she only spent 13. The judge sentenced -- the judge sentenced her to 90 days. OK. If she didn`t have to spend the 90 days in jail, how do we know she`s going to spend 90 days in rehab?
GRACE: You know how does that work? I want to go to you, Michelle Golland. Don`t rehabs have a certain period of treatment you have to attend?
GOLLAND: Exactly. Exactly. So I mean this is going to be sort of that textbook 90 days. That`s usually the first go-around and then to see how she`s responding to the treatment.
You know, and hopefully, Nancy, what is actually going to happen is going to be some, not just individual therapy and group therapy, but also family therapy. And I know she has anger and rage towards her father. But truthfully, what will be the most helpful in the end is actually if there can be some healing and understanding and some conflict resolution between them. As well as the mother.
GRACE: And very quickly, Alexis Tereszcuk, the UCLA lockdown rehab or psychiatric treatment, is there a number of days attached to that? Is it for a specific number of days?
TERESZCUK: Well, we currently understand that she`s going to be here for the entire 90 days. She could spend less time here and get moved to another facility. Perhaps something like Morningside. But I think that she`s going to be here for the whole 90 days.
GRACE: Everybody, we`re going to break. We`re taking your calls. As we go to break, my brand new book, "Death on the D-List" hits the shelves August 10. Preorder, CNN.com/Nancygrace.
Proceeds go to Wesley Glenn. It provides a loving home for mentally handicapped who need a home.
And tonight, weigh in. Which star do you choose to play the role of the heroine Hailey Dean? Go to CNN.com/nancygrace and vote. You could win autographed copy of "Death on the D-List" and come meet all of us right here on the set.
And tonight a special thank you to super firefighters Doug and Steve from Station 1, Jekyll Island, Georgia, for a tour of the firehouse for the twins. They`ve gotten to see the fire trucks.
Lucy and John David loved it. They love and look up to firefighters. They want to be firefighters or fire trucks when they grow up. Doug and Steve made one of their dreams come true, to sit in a fire truck.
Thank you, firefighters Doug and Steve.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re missing a little 2-year-old boy out here at Beaver Creek.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A 2-year-old child at a campsite.
UNIDENTIFIED 911 DISPATCHER: Do you know how long he`s been missing?
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Vanishing in the middle of the night.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They don`t have any idea how long he`s been gone.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can we he wander off?
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: I don`t have any idea what he`s wearing.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can he be subject to abduction.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re all looking for him right now.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: No evidence or indication of where this child is.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Authorities searching over 200 tons of trash at a nearby landfill looking for clues.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is highly suspicious.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He got up during the nighttime and walked away, I guess.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Very, very suspicious.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think somebody took him. I really think that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Don`t know what to think anymore. Just wanting him back.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Still no sign of a 2-year-old who vanished from a Arizona campground just wearing a diaper.
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GRACE: Straight out to Jean Casarez, legal correspondent "In Session." I just find this very hard to believe. The baby is in the tent with the new would-be mom. I think she was trying to adopt him. Why do you take a 2-year-old camping? I can`t even take mine to Target without a big scene.
JEAN CASAREZ, CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": A very desolate area, Nancy. This case has taken a huge turn today. First of all, this missing person`s case is now a criminal investigation.
Authorities are presuming this little 2-year-old boy is dead. And they do not believe he walked out of the tent himself.
Nancy, they`re not saying it but this is now a homicide case.
GRACE: Well, Christina Estes, reporter, Newstalk 550 KFYI. Kristina, explain to me exactly what happened. Give it to me in a nutshell, Christina.
CHRISTINA ESTES, REPORTER, NEWSTALK 550 KFYI: Sure. This all started about nine days ago. Sylar went camp with a woman who identified herself as his custodial mother. She was there with her mother and with her two children, 12 and 14 years old.
She said that she last saw Sylar on a Saturday night. Again, this is nine days ago. About 12:30 at night. So Saturday night, Sunday morning. She said at 1:45 she realized he was missing. Got up, hysterical. Looked around. Couldn`t find him.
A family friend called 911. And another person at the camp ground also called 911. Deputies on the scene at 3:00 in the morning scouring the area. Since then, they`ve been looking nonstop. Nothing.
GRACE: What did the other people say? Who all was camping? The grandmother? The new custodial mother? She was trying to adopt him, I understand. Her 14-year-old son. Who else?
ESTES: And her 12-year-old daughter. And it`s a fairly small campground area. There are only 13 sites there. So deputies talked to about 25 people who were in that area. They say they saw Sylar Saturday night and no one other than custodial mom saw him after midnight.
GRACE: So everyone else saw him up until midnight?
ESTES: Yes, the people around the campground area say about 9:00 or so on Saturday night is the last time they saw Sylar. And custodial mom says she saw him inside the tent sleeping about 12:30 and then about 1:45 she realized he was gone.
GRACE: I just don`t understand how somebody gets into your tent, Jean Casarez, and takes the baby and nobody knows anything about it. She says she saw him at 12:45 and at 3:00 a.m. he`s gone. Right. That`s the story, Jean?
CASAREZ: That`s right. But here`s what we learned last week. We learned that originally it was reported that little Sylar was in the tent with his custodial mother, custodial grandmother and their child. But then we learned, no, he was in the tent with the brother and the brother`s friend. So there were inconsistencies about where -
GRACE: Wait a minute. Wait a minute. He was not in the tent with the mother?
CASAREZ: Originally the story was that he may be in the tent with the brother of the custodial -- the child of the custodial mother and his friend. But then it was changed. No, he`s in the other tent. Remind you of the Haleigh Cummings case. But no one --
GRACE: Haleigh Cummings case. Exactly.
CASAREZ: Yes.
GRACE: You know, when you have a conflicting story that that is not a good sign.
Jean, you and I have talked about this a million times. After all the cases we`ve covered on CourtTV, now tru, a story -- you can get facts added on to it if you ask the right questions and the witness suddenly remembers, oh yes, I remember X, Y and Z, but to have the facts change, that is a very, very bad sign. To me.
CASAREZ: Another thing we learned is that the bio mother, who was in the midst of relinquishing custody but was still a very fluid situation. She`s in Indiana. This was in Arizona.
The FBI called her to let her know that her son was missing. It was not the custodial mother, although the bio mother says she and the custodial mother had regular conversations.
GRACE: OK. You are seeing a picture of little Sylar Newton, 2 years old. Another thing I don`t understand, Christina Estes -- joining us from Newstalk 550 KFYI -- is how are the police suddenly saying they think the boy is dead? Why can`t he be kidnapped? What do they know that suggests he`s dead?
ESTES: Well, they are saying that he is presumed dead. There is certainly a slim chance that Sylar is alive, at least according to sheriff deputies. But they say based on statistics and the lack of any evidence to prove otherwise, they are presuming that he is dead.
They think someone took him. They don`t know whether he was dead or alive when he was taken, but they say statistics show that there`s a very slim chance that a 2-year-old is going to survive more than 96 hours out there by himself.
GRACE: Out to the lines. Ellie in Florida. Hi, Ellie.
ELLIE, CALLER FROM FLORIDA: Hi, Nancy. I`m going to be as quick as I can.
GRACE: OK, dear.
ELLIE: Last week they had said they had brought bloodhounds into the wounds and then they lost track right in the middle. What did he do? Go up in the air? They have to put him in a box and remove him or something because the bloodhounds would go to a lake and stop or something like that. But they said the bloodhounds just went in a little bit and then stopped.
GRACE: What about it, Jean Casarez? What about the bloodhounds?
CASAREZ: Ellie is exactly right. The scent was there and they lost it which goes toward police theory now saying they believe that the little boy was taken from the campsite. You would have a scent but it would go nowhere.
GRACE: Out to the lines. Jean, Alabama. Hi, Jean.
JEAN, CALLER FROM ALABAMA: Hi, Nancy. How are you?
GRACE: I`m good, dear. Thank you for calling in. What is your question?
JEAN: I`ve been trying for years to get through to you.
GRACE: Thank you.
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JEAN: Your twins, one day, will realize how blessed they that God chose you as their mom.
GRACE: You know, Jean, see, I see it just the opposite way.
JEAN: Why?
GRACE: I see how blessed I am --
JEAN: Well, you are.
GRACE: That I got to have them. And, you know what, Jean?
JEAN: Yes?
GRACE: This little boy, Sylar, is just a few months younger than the twins. I can`t imagine, number one, taking them out camping, OK, because they`re not ready for that at age 2.
JEAN: No.
GRACE: That`s just my personal opinion. I`m not an expert. But how can you have a baby taken out of your tent? I mean, a tent is very small. You don`t know a thing?
JEAN: It`s very unusual, to me, to realize that -- I have two children. That I would not know.
GRACE: Hold on, Jean, we`re going to commercial break. Don`t hang up.
Everybody, we`re going to come back with Jean from Alabama. But take a look at Sylar Newton. Tip line 928-771-3260.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: There were two adults and another child in that tent with Sylar when he was reportedly last seen.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Our friend`s mom, his brother is gone and he`s missing. We can`t find him.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: There were 25 people in the campground besides the family. They were all questioned.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The search and the investigation will continue.
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GRACE: We are taking your calls live. I want to go back out to Jean Casarez.
Jean, where does it stand now?
Everybody, we`re talking about the disappearance of a 2-year-old little boy, Sylar Newton, disappeared on a camping trip with his new custodial mom. She was in the process of adopting the baby.
Go ahead, Jean.
CASAREZ: Well, this is now a criminal investigation. They have taken polygraphs from the custodial mother and also the custodial grandmother who would have been in that tent that night.
So they are proceeding now with a different course believing that the little boy is presumed dead.
GRACE: Back to Jean in Alabama. Jean, what was your question? We never got to your question.
JEAN: Well, that`s all right. I was wondering why the child was put up for adoption?
GRACE: That`s a great question. What do we know, Christina Estes?
ESTES: Well, the biological mother told a reporter that she just had some issues and was unable to provide for him as well as --
GRACE: What issue?
ESTES: It`s sort of been alluded to that -- I don`t want to say mental issues, but she just wasn`t capable, in her opinion, of caring for him the way that she thought he needed to be cared for. She said it doesn`t mean she doesn`t love him, she doesn`t want what`s best for him.
GRACE: OK. To Sue Moss, Joe Jackson, Mickey Sherman. Weigh in, Mickey.
MICKEY SHERMAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY, AUTHOR OF "HOW CAN YOU DEFEND THOSE PEOPLE?": Well, you know, obviously the woman does have some issue. But I was more concerned about the polygraph test. Did anybody not take a polygraph test or did anybody flunk a polygraph test? Do we know anything about that? Because everything else seems to be a dead end.
GRACE: What about it, Joey Jackson?
JOEY JACKSON,. DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Listen, there certainly is a problem here. And the problem is going to be that there`s been such a lapse of time that I`m not confident that this child will be returned.
It`s the most unfortunate scenario. I don`t mean to blame the custodial mother, but to leave a child sleeping in another tent with other children certainly presents a problem of safety and security, and I think it`s going to be one that`s not going to turn out too well.
GRACE: Everyone, let`s stop and remember Marine Lance Corporal Andrew "Ace" Nowacki, 24, South Euclid, Ohio, killed Iraq. On second tour, lost his life just weeks before his birthday.
Loved sending his family photos of himself with Iraqi children. A devoted cop back home. Once kept patrol outside a stalking victim`s house all night while he was off duty.
Remembered for his love and laughter. Leaves behind parents Dennis and Sheila, brothers Nate and Pete, all (INAUDIBLE) Iraq.
Andrew Nowacki, American hero.
Thanks to our guests but especially to you, and a special good night from Florida friend, actress and auction winner Elizabeth and Kansas friend, Latisa.
Aren`t they beautiful?
Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. Until then, good night, friend.
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