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Nancy Grace
Paris Hilton Busted Again
Aired August 30, 2010 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live, Vegas. Midnight, a motorcycle cop pulls up to an intersection to waves, waves of marijuana. Well, it`s none other than Paris Hilton, reeking of pot! It gets worse. In her pocketbook, cocaine. Defense, she says, A, it`s not her purse, and B, she thought the drugs were gum. Yes, chewing gum. She says she thought the cocaine in her pocketbook was gum. Bombshell tonight. Of course, even being a repeat offender, Paris Hilton walks free tonight.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Paris Hilton has a court date.
PARIS HILTON, CELEBRITY: This is so exciting.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She is busted on suspicion of felony cocaine possession in Las Vegas.
HILTON: I`m really (INAUDIBLE) ready to do this.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... poor little rich party girl.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A packet of powder fell out of the purse.
HILTON: Oh, we weren`t there. I don`t know what happened with that.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Tests confirmed it was, indeed, cocaine, .8 grams.
HILTON: I hope that I`m an example to other young people.
Feels great because I`ve worked really hard.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Paris Hilton is due to appear before a judge in late October.
HILTON: The media portrays me in a way that I`m not.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Paris Hilton will learn when she has to learn.
HILTON: I just don`t pay any attention to any of the nonsense that`s around in this town.
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GRACE: And tonight, live to the heartland. A 14-year-old Kansas cheerleader leaves home for a party. Never seen again. Less than 48 hours before her first day as a cheerleader, she vanishes. We learn the location cops try to keep secret, five miles out of city limits, a body disposed behind an asphalt plant and huge mountains of gravel. That body confirmed the remains of missing cheerleader 14-year-old Alicia DeBolt, still wearing one tennis shoe, her body burned beyond recognition, positive ID only possible through dental records.
After a late night search warrant, plus a stolen car leading cops on a high-speed chase across Kansas countryside, a suspect in custody. And no, not a pack of juveniles, not a young boyfriend, a 36-year-old father of two who works for the asphalt plant where the girl`s body is found. In the last hours, 36-year-old Adam Longoria in court as yet another arrest warrant never served comes to light. This guy, he`s his very own crime wave, a ticking time bomb waiting to explode!
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Breaking news. Adam Longoria...
GRACE: ... AKA Rocco...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... the man arrested in connection with the murder of 14-year-old cheerleader Alicia DeBolt, has just made his first appearance in court.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Police say he was driving a vehicle stolen from the Venture company, the same company where DeBolt`s body was found.
GRACE: What does he have to do with a 14-year-old cheerleader?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He admits that he met her. Yet he only admits he met her once.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) a party with my wife, birthday party with her boyfriend. They were there the last I contacted her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... Longoria in court on vehicle theft charges after he allegedly steals a car from the same company where Alicia`s charred body was found.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We know her body was burned beyond recognition.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So she called my phone a few times. My wife has intercepted it, told her, Hey, don`t be calling my husband, this and that, asking for rides to take her to parties and stuff.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A very intense and brutal burning was done on her body.
GRACE: This guy gets his home searched. He goes and steals a car and takes cops on a wild goose chase. That says guilt to me.
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GRACE: Good evening, I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight, live, Vegas. Midnight, a motorcycle cop pulls up to an intersection to waves of marijuana, none other than Paris Hilton reeking of pot. It gets worse. In her bag, cocaine. Defense, she says it`s not her bag and she thought the drugs were gum.
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HILTON: I can`t live without my BlackBerry.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Paparazzi princess Paris Hilton...
HILTON: ... my boyfriend...
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was arrested...
HILTON: ... my pets...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... cocaine .8 grams...
HILTON: ... my family...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It looks like a glamour shot.
HILTON: ... and my best friends.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s got numerous mug shots.
HILTON: I`m going to do the time. I`m going to do it the right way.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: With her arrest for alleged cocaine possession...
HILTON: And I thought it was the next perfect thing for my brand.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The hotel heiress walked the front entrance of the detention facility like she was walking a catwalk.
HILTON: Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She really hasn`t changed her lifestyle that much.
HILTON: I`ve always remained the same person I was since I was a little girl.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE) posture (INAUDIBLE) form. There was a spring in her step.
HILTON: I think it`s just about staying true to yourself and not letting all this get to your head.
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GRACE: Out to Alexis Tereszcuk, joining us from LA, reporter, Radaronline.com. Alexis, does it never, never end? I mean, look, when Lindsay Lohan said they weren`t her pants that she was wearing with cocaine stuffed in them, I thought I had heard it all. But now Paris Hilton says, yes, the money and credit cards and everything else in the pocketbook is hers, except the cocaine, And it`s not her pocketbook. Please, help me out. Take it from the beginning, Alexis.
ALEXIS TERESZCUK, RADARONLINE.COM: So she actually started out her day in Las Vegas...
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! Wait! Put Tereszcuk up! You know what, Ms. Tereszcuk? I know that this may be funny to a lot of people because it`s Paris Hilton. It`s cocaine. Have you ever dealt with somebody that lost their job, their family, their home, everything they`ve gotten, they end up sitting on a metal commode in jail? Think about it, Alexis!
Now, what happened?
TERESZCUK: So Paris started out her day. It was a party in Las Vegas. She started out in a hair salon, where she got her hair done. She was doing a promotional tour. She went to a party with her boyfriend, who is a big promoter in Las Vegas. She left the party, but she was apparently offered a ride...
GRACE: Who works for the Wynn hotel. He had a very good job, which I would like to point out he has just been fired, thanks to what happens when you hang out with Paris Hilton. Go ahead, please.
TERESZCUK: So she was actually offered a ride in a limousine for the rest of the night. The promoter of the party where she was said, Paris, we can give you a limo. She said, No, no, it`s OK. My boyfriend can drive. So she leaves the party. They two of them are going down Las Vegas Boulevard. And as you said, the cop pulled up next to them and could smell the marijuana...
GRACE: Whoa, whoa!
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GRACE: Hold on. Alexis Tereszcuk, Radaronline, joining us. We are showing -- take the banners down, please. That`s a shot of Paris Hilton getting out of the car. OK, go ahead, Alexis. Thank you.
TERESZCUK: So when the police pulled them over, she immediately actually tried to roll up the window, which they found very suspicious, maybe trying to hide what was in the car. So as the police asked -- started asking questions, a huge crowd started forming around Paris because it was right on Las Vegas Boulevard. So she says to the cops that she`s a little embarrassed because there are so many people around.
GRACE: Whoa! Wait! Wait!
TERESZCUK: Couldn`t they take her inside the hotel.
GRACE: Wait, wait, wait! I`ve got a problem with your reporting, Alexis. Are you telling me Paris Hilton -- hasn`t she been photographed without underwear, and she`s saying she`s embarrassed? Did you just say that?
TERESZCUK: Yes, she is.
GRACE: OK. Go ahead.
TERESZCUK: That is exactly what -- that`s exactly what the police officer wrote in his report, that she said she was embarrassed with all those people. And he actually -- actually wrote she said, I really badly have to go to the bathroom. So they took her inside the Wynn Hotel, to a security office where, the officer wrote, that she put her table down -- her purse down on the table. She then asked for some lip balm. So he opened -- she opened the purse, and out of the purse fell what he said was a bindle of a white substance which he said was cocaine.
So this at this point is when he asks her, you know, What`s going on? She says, Oh, it`s not my purse. But the things in her purse are hers. There was $1,300 in cash. That was Paris`s. There were credit cards. Those were Paris`s. But the purse wasn`t hers.
GRACE: OK, let`s go to Ellis Jostad. Ellie, I want to make sure I understand this. Take me back to the beginning. It`s about midnight in Las Vegas.
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Yes.
GRACE: She doesn`t live in Vegas. I guess she`s there seeing the boyfriend who did work at the Wynn before today.
JOSTAD: Right. Right. Yes.
GRACE: They`re out, and the cop pulls up. What first attracts the cop`s attention to Paris Hilton?
JOSTAD: Right. Well, this is a motorcycle cop. He pulls up next to the Escalade that Cy Waits is driving. He said that he smelled the strong odor of marijuana coming from open window on the passenger side. Now, Paris Hilton`s sitting in the passenger side and she`s apparently trying to -- well, I guess you press a button -- crank the window back up before he can pull them over. But he pulled them over anyway, and that`s when this whole investigation started.
GRACE: Take it from there, Ellie.
JOSTAD: Well, so as Alexis explained, they separate the two of them. The boyfriend is given a field sobriety test, which he fails, according to police. Paris goes inside. Like Alexis explained, they start looking through her purse. And even though she said, The rolling papers inside were mine -- rolling papers commonly used to roll marijuana cigarettes, as you know. She says that the 1,300 bucks is hers. The credit cards are hers. But she says the purse isn`t hers.
Now, friends that are linked to her claim that she switched purses with somebody because the purse didn`t match the outfit she was wearing.
GRACE: OK, let`s just take a little look back. This is August 2010. July 2010, Ellie, what happened? July.
JOSTAD: Well, right. Back in July, Paris Hilton is at the World Cup in South Africa. She and a bunch of friends are confronted by police there, accused of smoking pot. Her friend apparently says it was hers. The cops dismiss -- well, they didn`t even file any charges against Paris, dismissed the whole thing, let her go, even apologized to her for it.
GRACE: But Ellie, you kind of skipped one. That`s July 2nd. What about July 17...
JOSTAD: Yes, later...
GRACE: ... there in the airport in Corsica?
JOSTAD: Right. She was in Corsica. She was on this long vacation all summer. She`s detained at a private airport because drug-sniffing dogs allegedly detected marijuana in her purse. She`s questioned for about 30 minutes, let go. No charges filed in that incident, either.
GRACE: OK, we`re taking your calls. Out to Lori in California. Hi, Lori.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Thanks for taking my call. I was curious as to why she never gets any charges pressed against her, why she didn`t spend the night in jail. And also, did they find any marijuana in the car that she was in?
GRACE: Good question. I didn`t hear anything about marijuana. To Kelli Zink with Celebtv.com. What about the marijuana?
KELLI ZINK, CELEBTV.COM: We haven`t heard about the marijuana. But to answer the other question, back in 2007, Paris was in jail. Remember, there was this huge thing about how she was so sorry, she was going to change her life around, so she paid the price then. It`ll be interesting to see if she has to again.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Paris Hilton has a court date.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Could this girl get any more foolish?
HILTON: I`m happy.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... busted on suspicion of felony cocaine possession.
HILTON: I can`t wait to start my new life.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Paris Hilton busted for cocaine this weekend on the Vegas Strip...
HILTON: I`m happy to be a part of it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She was riding in her boyfriend`s car. They were on the Vegas Strip.
HILTON: I`m really scared, but I`m ready to do this.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A policeman pulled up next to the car that Paris was in and smelled what he suspected to be marijuana smoke coming from their car.
HILTON: I hope that I`m an example to other young people when they make decisions.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The 29-year-old claims that the small amount of cocaine is not hers.
HILTON: (INAUDIBLE) a lot of time (INAUDIBLE) and reflect on my life and realize what`s most important.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She said, yes, the cash, the credit cards, the albuterol in the purse were hers but not the coke.
HILTON: I have a lot of other projects in the works, so I`m glad.
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GRACE: Unleash the lawyers. Joining us tonight out of LA, high- profile lawyer Gloria Allred, Daniel Horowitz, famed defense attorney out of San Francisco, and Carmen St. George, defense attorney joining us out of New York.
What about it, Gloria? It never ends.
GLORIA ALLRED, ATTORNEY AND VICTIMS` RIGHTS ADVOCATE: It never ends. And by the way, when she originally did time, it was for violation of her probation, kind of a similar situation to Lindsay Lohan in that regard. Now she`s charged with a felony, possession of a controlled substance. She`s in big trouble.
GRACE: Back to you, Ellie Jostad. The judge in this case, what did he say about her bonding out?
JOSTAD: Well, the issue here is that -- well, she was released on her own recognizance in this charge. But we`re hearing that the judge there does not want celebrities to think they can come to Las Vegas and commit any kind of illegal activity. So we`re hearing that there`s not going to be any sort of plea bargain with her and that because she`s had probation revoked before in the DUI case that Gloria alluded to, and she also in that case failed to attend some alcohol education classes, that could be another grounds for not giving her straight probation here.
GRACE: Why, Daniel Horowitz?
DANIEL HOROWITZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I don`t see what she`s done wrong. She bothered nobody. She was hurting nobody. Why pick on her just because she`s famous? Look, Nancy...
GRACE: Daniel, that`s not what I asked you. Can you just try to focus, all right? Put it back in the middle of the road, Daniel. You don`t have to start with your closing argument just yet. I`m asking you about what Ellie Jostad just reported, that last time she was behind bars for a violation of probation, and she did not complete her drug and alcohol classes last time, which are considerations for the DA giving probation in this case.
HOROWITZ: Yes, I know. But look, Nancy, it`s in my interests for her to have a felony conviction and be in jail. I represent somebody who`s being charged with burglarizing her house. When she takes the stand, that will help me. But I`m still telling you that she`s just an ordinary person in this respect and they`re treating her differently...
GRACE: Wait a minute, wait a minute. Horowitz...
HOROWITZ: ... because she`s famous.
GRACE: You`re representing that guy that broke into Paris Hilton`s house?
HOROWITZ: Not the recent guy with the knives. This is a young kid who just wanted to steal her clothing, and they want to give him lots and lots of years in prison.
GRACE: You know what?
HOROWITZ: So it`s in my interests, but that`s not the point.
GRACE: I don`t even want to hear that!
HOROWITZ: Treat her like a regular person now.
GRACE: What did he want, her underwear? Never mind. Don`t answer that.
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GRACE: I don`t want to know.
HOROWITZ: ... not underwear but clothing, nice clothing.
GRACE: I said don`t tell me. Carmen St. George, weigh in. Let`s try to focus on this case.
CARMEN ST. GEORGE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, it`s like the article that you just gave for "Time" magazine just recently. It`s celebrity justice. It`s going to cut both ways for her. Did she do something wrong, arguably? Yes. She shouldn`t have cocaine in her pocketbook. Is the court system somehow going to find a flex (ph) for her? She probably will go down the road of Lindsay Lohan.
GRACE: To Dr. Janet Taylor, psychiatrist, joining us out of New York. Dr. Taylor, you know, I hate to belabor this, but what is wrong with this picture? Is it because she just gets off time after time after time that she actually -- it`s her own fault for going in, leading the cop into this restroom, and then claiming she wants to get lip balm out of her pocketbook. They probably would have never gone in her pocketbook to start with.
DR. JANET TAYLOR, PSYCHIATRIST: Right. And you`d have to question her frame of mind even to put the pocketbook there and to do that. But I mean, there are a couple of things. A, she`s gotten away with a lot. Clearly, she`s entitled and has the money to get the right defense. But the best thing is for her to be arrested, as she has been, and really serve some real consequences. It`s enough.
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HILTON: I have received thousands of letters from people all around the world of support and it`s really been inspirational and really helped me. And I`m really scared, but I`m ready to do this. And I hope that I`m an example to other young people when they make decisions.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... busted in Vegas...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A cop pulled them over. Paris`s boyfriend failed sobriety tests. Paris requested a trip to the restroom.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... alleged possession of cocaine...
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: According to the police report, the officer told Paris to leave her purse on a table. She said then that she needed lip balm.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is the third time that Paris has been busted this year in some sort of drug-related activity.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: As she reached for that lip balm, a packet of powder fell out of the purse.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s certainly no stranger to these types of sentences or possible sentences.
HILTON: (INAUDIBLE) something that I`ve always wanted to do.
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GRACE: We are taking your calls. Out to Sharon in Alabama. Hi, Sharon.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. I have a quick question for you, if you don`t mind.
GRACE: Yes, ma`am. OK.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was wondering, have the twins made a fun game running from you while you`re trying to hobble on your crutches to catch them?
(LAUGHTER)
GRACE: No. But actually, I have my -- if I could show you right now, I could. But their game is they like to put stickers on my boot for my broke -- I broke my foot and fractured my ankle.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bless your heart.
GRACE: And they try to kiss it because we kiss boo-boos.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh!
GRACE: And they try to kiss it. And they want me to take the boot off, and then they try to kiss it. And they cover the whole thing with Dora stickers every day. I take them off at night, and they put them back on the next day. What`s your question, love?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was wondering, is cocaine one of the harder drugs to, you know, get off of?
GRACE: Good question. What about it? I want to go out to you Dr. Janet Taylor, psychiatrist out of New York. What about it?
TAYLOR: Well, you know, potentially, any drug you can develop a tolerance for. But with cocaine, there`s not a drug to help you detox from it. So in that regard, it`s just abstinence or recovery. And that`s what really makes it so much more difficult to get off of.
GRACE: With us Dr. Panchali Dhar, doctor of internal medicine, author of "Before the Scalpel." What about it, Dr. Dhar?
DR. PANCHALI DHAR, INTERNAL MEDICINE: Well, I`d like to know if Paris was under the influence of cocaine when she was busted. And there`s ways to tell -- if her pupils were dilated or her nose were red or inside her nostrils were red. That`s ways to tell, especially with her light complexion. And instead of speculating what drugs Paris Hilton takes, can someone please hand her a urine specimen cup the next time she goes to the bathroom?
GRACE: Good thinking. Michelle in Oregon. Hi, Michelle.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi.
GRACE: Hi, love. What`s your question?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, my question is, number one, why is she not having a hearing until October 27th? And also, I`ve never heard of anybody saying that their cocaine -- they thought their cocaine was gum.
GRACE: Michelle, you`re so right. It looked -- she thought it was gum. All right, Ellie Jostad, why October 27? Why so long?
JOSTAD: You know, we didn`t get any specific reasoning for why that arraignment was held off until then, but Paris was allowed to go back to LA. She has to come back and go to court.
GRACE: OK, all we know, 10/27. Out to the lines. Melody in Florida. Hi, Melody. Oh, I`m sorry. It`s Mary in Florida. Hi, Mary.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hey, Nancy! Huge fan!
GRACE: Thank you. And thank you for calling in. What is your question, dear?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s a question and a comment. Don`t you think that this is going to be a godsend to this girl?
GRACE: Well, if she makes a million dollars off her stay in jail, like Lindsay Lohan is, probably so, Mary.
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HILTON: I`m going to do the time. I`m going to do it the right way.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... with her arrest for alleged cocaine possession...
HILTON: I thought it was the next perfect thing for my brand.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The hotel heiress walked the front entrance of the detention facility like she was walking a catwalk.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Paris Hilton has a court date.
PARIS HILTON, HOTEL HEIRESS: This is so exciting.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: She is busted on suspicion of felony cocaine possession in Las Vegas.
HILTON: I`m really scared but I`m ready to do this.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Poor little rich party girl.
HILTON: Paying off right now.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A packet of powder fell out of the purse.
HILTON: Oh, we weren`t there. I don`t know what happened with that.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Tests confirmed it was indeed cocaine, .8 grams.
HILTON: I hope that I`m an example to other young people in decisions. Feels great because I`ve worked really hard.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Paris Hilton is due to appear before a judge in late October.
HILTON: The media portrays me in a way that I`m not.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Paris Hilton will learn when she has to learn.
HILTON: I just don`t pay attention to any of the nonsense that`s around in this town.
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Out to the lines, Chairrell in Arizona. Hi, Chairrell
CHAIRRELL, CALLER FROM ARIZONA: Hi, Nancy. It`s --
GRACE: What`s your question, dear?
CHAIRRELL: It`s actually not a question. I just want to tell you I love you. You`re my hero. Your children are beautiful.
GRACE: Thank you.
CHAIRRELL: I`ve been trying months just to talk to you. Now my statement basically is -- because I`m a big celebrity person. So I try to keep up with everything. What I noticed through, I guess, her different friends -- as a matter of fact, when Britney Spears had her career going really well, she started hanging out with Paris Hilton. And then all of a sudden --
GRACE: Right down the crapper.
CHAIRRELL: Britney Spears --
GRACE: Yes.
CHAIRRELL: Right. Then Lindsay Lohan the same thing. So I`m wondering is -- you know, all these young celebrities getting their -- each bad habit from one another?
GRACE: And now this Cy Waits, I think Ellie Jostad said his name was, had a pretty good job with the Wynn Hotel, which is a really, really luxurious, fancy hotel, apparently has all this beautiful artwork in it there in Vegas.
He`s got a good job with them. It`s over. He`s fired. Gone. Hanging out with Paris Hilton.
What`s your question, love?
CHAIRRELL: The question was -- is these young stars -- I mean, everyone has had -- it seems like everybody that has been at the very top of their game, they end up hanging out with her and then go right through the crapper.
I`m going through that with my daughter right now. She`s been through rehab but she no longer has those type of friends. And it just seems as though -- first of all, she`s lucky she didn`t get caught three times here because there`s a three strike law. But in each country, she -- you know, and then plus this country, that`s three times.
And, you know -- and Lindsay Lohan now is on drugs and then it happened that Britney Spears started on drugs and it was all after or during them hanging out.
GRACE: You know, that`s a really good point. To Janet Taylor. I guess you can`t tell your children enough that hanging with the wrong crowd can get you in so much trouble. What is that mentality?
DR. JANET TAYLOR, PSYCHIATRIST: Well, you know, the one mentality is when you`re younger certainly peers are more important. You would think after you reach a certain age -- in this case Paris Hilton is 29 -- that she would make better decisions.
But the other thing is -- I mean, when you`re around people that you have use drugs with, just the sensations and smells trigger a craving. So if you`re trying to stay clean it is important that you really stay away from people who`ve influenced you to go down the wrong path.
GRACE: To Michael Sapraicone, former NYPD detective, president of Squad Security Inc. joining us out of New York. The cops are going to be attacked because of procedure, because they let her go into the hotel to use the bathroom and then let her go into her pocketbook for lip balm.
What I see is her progression of trying to get into that pocketbook and get rid of the cocaine. That`s what that was all about, Michael.
MICHAEL SAPRAICONE, FMR. NYPD DETECTIVE PRESIDENT OF SQUAD SECURITY INC.: Well, I think you`re right, Nancy. And I don`t think the police did anything wrong.
GRACE: No, they didn`t.
SAPRAICONE: It`s not an illegal search. It`s a good search. I don`t think that will come out to be an illegal search. There wasn`t anything going on with the pocketbook at the scene that escalated into another situation once they were in the holding area at the Wynn.
I don`t see a problem. She was probably trying to dump the cocaine by going in and getting the lip balm.
GRACE: By faking the cops out to that extent.
Everybody, we are switching gears and we are taking you live now out to Kansas and the latest with the 14-year-old cheerleader found dead. Take a listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Police say 36-year-old Adam Longoria is now a person of interest in the murder case of 14-year-old Alicia Debolt.
GRACE: Burned -- the 14-year-old girl had been burned beyond recognition.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She went missing Saturday. Was supposed to be going to a party with her friend.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Longoria did an interview with KSN.
ADAM LONGORIA, PERSON OF INTEREST IN THE MURDER OF CHEERLEADER ALICIA DEBOLT: Alicia`s ex-boyfriend gave me her number and told me to text her and let her know that we were having a party.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: He told us then he was cooperating with police.
LONGORIA: He said have you had any contact with her before, I`m like no.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Law enforcement came to his home to serve a search warrant in the case of murdered cheerleader Alicia Debolt.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: On the night Alicia disappeared Longoria says he never saw her.
LONGORIA: I do not know where she was on Saturday. There was a so- called rumor going around that the party was going to be at my house which it wasn`t.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Longoria`s neighbor told us he met Alicia Debolt in Longoria`s garage that very same night, the night that she had disappeared.
JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": That search warrant was executed at his home and in his garage. And that is a critical fact.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I met the gal over there. You know, he introduced me to her.
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GRACE: Straight out to Jean Casarez, legal correspondent "In Session." The defendant Adam Longoria, aka Rocco, a 36-year-old father of two, in court today.
What happened, Jean?
CASAREZ: Nancy, there`s so much new information to tell you on this case but, first of all, he was in court today. He represented himself on these felony theft charges for stealing a vehicle from Venture Corporation.
In representing himself, the issue of bail came about. And he said he wasn`t a flight risk because even though he mailed back home to Texas a couple of cowboy hats and a pair of pants doesn`t mean he`s going to flee the Kansas jurisdiction.
GRACE: But, Jean Casarez, he`s got -- does he have an escape charge on his record?
CASAREZ: There is an escape charge, Nancy. Numerous charges from the state of Texas. The escape charge was from prison in 1999.
GRACE: You know, I don`t know what it is with you and trains, Jean.
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GRACE: I will be right back with you.
Justin Kraemer in court today joining us from our CNN affiliate KSNW. Tell us his demeanor in court. We`re showing the viewers shots of Adam Longoria right now.
Let take it in full, Liz. I want to see him in court. There you go.
Adam Longoria, a father of two, 36 years old, told reporters that he had gotten texts back and forth with the 14-year-old cheerleader. What`s he doing with a 14-year-old little girl? What did he say in court, Justin Kraemer?
JUSTIN KRAEMER, REPORTER, CNN AFFILIATE KSNW: He didn`t have much of an explanation for that, Nancy. Essentially we focused his comments in court for was his indignation that he was being declared a flight risk, claiming that he cooperated with authorities throughout their investigation and that they had told him that he had every right to go wherever that he wanted to.
Outside of court one of the assistant attorney generals quipped to me that he did have every right to go wherever he wanted to, just not in a stolen vehicle.
GRACE: And back to you, Jean Casarez, joining us again, joining us live.
Jean, I want to get back to the new evidence that we have uncovered, not just him in court claiming he`s not a flight risk. You know how he could say that with a straight face, I don`t know.
Number one, he`s suspected in the murder, likely sexual assault, and the burning of a 14-year-old cheerleader`s body, stealing a car, leading cops on a high speed chase, trying to get away from them.
And he`s got an escape conviction on his record. Not only that, he has a bank robbery on his record. The getaway car is how the cops found him. But Jane, today some more arrest warrants came out unserved. What happened?
CASAREZ: Listen to this. There is and has been since January of 2009 a warrant for his arrest out of North Carolina for making bomb threats.
GRACE: OK, Jean, that is -- that takes a unique mentality. That`s not your ordinary criminal. Wasn`t he calling in bomb threats on elementary schools?
CASAREZ: That`s right. And he was incarcerated at the time in Beaumont, Texas, in prison. Authorities are saying he used an illegal cell phone that he got ahold of and he made those bomb threats to an area in North Carolina where there were family members -- that`s the association we know. That`s all we know at this point.
But he called one elementary school asking for a McNeilly. And they said, oh, you must mean so and so McNeilly, who was the principal of another elementary school. He said, yes, because there is a bomb in that school. So they evacuated both elementary schools back in 2009 but nothing was ever found.
GRACE: OK. And he did that from behind jail house walls, right?
CASAREZ: That`s right. So I know what you`re going to ask, Nancy. You`re going to ask well, these charges came about, so why was he released from prison in Texas and was not extradited to North Carolina.
GRACE: And the reason is?
CASAREZ: I don`t know. Just don`t know.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Adam Longoria made his first court appearance on vehicle theft charges.
CASAREZ: You see her right there Alicia Debolt.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The cheerleader and high school freshman goes missing from her small Kansas town.
GRACE: A body has been found.
STEVE SIX, KANSAS ATTORNEY GENERAL: A positive identification was made and that tragically Alicia was identified.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Moments ago Adam Longoria, the person of interest in the murder of Alicia Debolt, made her first court appearance on vehicle theft charges.
GRACE: His car is searched. His vehicle is searched. The garage is searched.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: 36-year-old Adam Longoria is now a person of interest in the murder case of 14-year-old Alicia Debolt.
GRACE: Then after the late-night search he goes and steals the company car and takes off?
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Kansas Attorney General Steve Six asked the judge for $150,000 bail.
SIX: Bond shall be set in amount sufficient both to insure Mr. Longoria`s appearance and to insure public safety.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The attorney general also alleging in court that before stealing the car, Longoria went to the post office and mailed many of his belongings to an address in Texas.
LONGORIA: As for the clothes that I had in the duffel bag, underwear and socks and a pair of pants, I don`t see how you can consider that a flight risk when the agency and the police department said I wasn`t being detained and free to go and come.
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GRACE: Why was he mailing his clothing to an address in Texas?
We are talking about Adam Longoria, a 36-year-old father of two who is now the chief suspect in the murder of a 14-year-old girl, a cheerleader, and the burning of her body.
We are taking your calls.
But first to Pat Brown, criminal profiler and author of "The Profiler." Pat, it`s a special kind of person that calls in a bomb threat on an elementary school. We find that he has unserved arrest warrants on those cases out of North Carolina, slipped through their fingers. They did nothing. And now this little cheerleader is dead.
PAT BROWN, CRIMINAL PROFILER, AUTHOR OF "THE PROFILER": Exactly. And this is why this kind of psychopath, when you put him in prison, he actually enjoys himself because he loves to manipulate. He loves to lie.
And even from prison he likes to control things. So he`s even finding a way to mess with people when he`s in prison. And by the way, didn`t he get on an inmate dating site which is where he found his new girlfriend, what he called the wife, and as soon as he got out she moved right in her home with her two children straight from prison?
This is guy who knows how to manipulate and really get his way. And that`s why he`s in court representing himself because he thinks he`s so smart he can talk somebody into anything.
GRACE: Jean Casarez, that`s a whole other can of worms. Explain the inmate dating Web site where this guy met his live-in. And she dragged her children along for the ride.
CASAREZ: Right. The 31-year-old woman who lives in Great Bend, Kansas, started corresponding with him, Longoria, about 11 months ago. She met him. Then they corresponded for eight months.
When he got out she wanted to give him a chance so he moved from Texas to Kansas. That`s how he got to Kansas. They`ve been living together in the same home for about three months since he got out of prison. Now this.
GRACE: And her children are exposed to this guy.
CASAREZ: Ten and 12 years old, yes.
GRACE: Out to the lines.
CASAREZ: Home father.
GRACE: Kim in Massachusetts, hi, Kim.
KIM, CALLER FROM MASSACHUSETTS: Hi, Nancy. Today is my birthday and this is my gift, calling you.
GRACE: Kim, happy birthday, dear. Thank you for calling.
KIM: Thank you so much.
GRACE: What is your question?
KIM: My question is, why can`t people like him, repeat offenders, have a mark, a distinct mark on their license plates? I know some states proposed it. Then the civil rights groups were against it. But anybody like him -- why can`t there be a flag on their -- right outside on their license plates?
GRACE: You know, Michael Sapraicone, that`s a good question that has been proposed. It`s never passed anywhere.
SAPRAICONE: I think it`s an excellent idea. I think it would be better if we brand him on his forehead, though. You know the same type of thing. I mean, it would a good idea if the states could monitor things like this. It would help law enforcement out. It would help out the communities.
GRACE: Well, you know, I`ve got a funny feeling the defense attorneys are going to disagree.
Gloria Allred, victims rights advocates, Daniel Horowitz, Carmen St. George, both defense attorneys.
Weigh in, Horowitz.
DANIEL HOROWITZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I think that gang people would have tattoos and then young people copy it. If you start branding repeat felons, the young people will do it too as kind of an in thing, just like the pants that ride low. It`s not going to work. And it also is not right. But it`s -- it`s not practical.
GRACE: St. George?
CARMEN ST. GEORGE, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, I can`t imagine that in the society we live in that we`re really stamping people on the head for the type of crime they commit. There`s other ways to measure sex offenders and criminal offenders.
GRACE: OK. Put St. George up. Alicia Debolt is dead. So what`s your great idea?
ST. GEORGE: You investigate and you prosecute the person who`s responsible for the crime. You don`t take a person or persons in society and stamp them on the forehead based upon the crime.
GRACE: Put -- I`m not advocating a brand on the forehead. That was Michael Sapraicone.
ST. GEORGE: Right. That`s what I was --
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GRACE: But you said there were other ways. And Carmen St. George, the other ways didn`t work. The girl is dead.
What about it, Gloria Allred?
GLORIA ALLRED, VICTIM`S RIGHTS ATTORNEY, CHILD ADVOCATE: Well, my guess, Nancy, is that although it`s well intentioned, that a lot of people on the highway patrol are probably going to oppose it because they probably don`t want anything on the license plate other than the license number, and they might decide that that`s going to create a safety hazard because people might want to be bumping into the cars of convicted felons.
GRACE: We are taking your calls. Out to Emily in North Carolina. Hi, Emily.
EMILY, CALLER FROM NORTH CAROLINA: Hi. How are you?
GRACE: I`m good, dear. What`s your question?
EMILY: OK. I have a comment. You are my idol. To help crime victims and to their families. And you have been for many, many years.
And my question is what`s the asphalt company since he worked there -- since Alicia`s body was found there, and he had access to the truck, whether he had a key or what. Would the asphalt company be liable in any way in her death?
GRACE: Good question. To Gloria Allred, what do you think about that?
ALLRED: No. I don`t think that the asphalt company is going to be liable, and I think that would be a real stretch.
GRACE: You know what? I know that they probably won`t be, Gloria, but that`s not going to stop somebody from suing.
To Ronnie in -- oh, Ronice, in Kansas. Hi, dear.
RONICE, CALLER FROM KANSAS: Hi. It is so good to talk to you. My gosh, I love your show. I watch it every single night.
GRACE: Ronice, thank you.
RONICE: My question is, I just wanted to know if they questioned the girlfriend and was she at the time this was going on?
GRACE: Good question. What about it, Justin Kraemer, joining us from KSNW? Where was the girlfriend during all this?
KRAEMER: What she`s telling reporters is that she was home during the entire incident. She says that he left borrowing her black -- or rather 2002 Ford Escape. Oddly enough that her family says that Alicia climbed into a small dark colored SUV the night she disappeared, Saturday night.
She`s saying that she was home --
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Authorities executed a search warrant.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Adam Rocco Longoria.
CASAREZ: You see her right there, Alicia Debolt.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The cheerleader and high school freshman goes missing from her small Kansas town.
GRACE: A body has been found.
SIX: Positive identification was been made and tragically Alicia was identified.
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GRACE: Out to the lines, Connie in Florida. Hi, Connie.
CONNIE, CALLER FROM FLORIDA: hi, Nancy. Thank you for sharing the children with us.
GRACE: Thank you. Thank you for calling in. What`s your question?
CONNIE: I would like to know how she got from getting into a small black SUV with a 19-year-old guy to ending up with this 36-year-old man?
GRACE: You know, I`ve been wondering -- back to you, Jean Casarez. Did she get into the car with a 19-year-old or did she get into the car with this guy?
CASAREZ: I think it`s a question of fact. I don`t think we know. But, you know, we`ve learned some timeline from the girlfriend/wife. She said that Longoria left the house -- their house -- about 11:00 that night. He came home about 12:00 to 1:30.
GRACE: So in an hour and a half, it was over. And also, Jean Casarez, the attorney general -- state attorney general is saying that charges are coming. But right now he`s only charged with stealing a car. He`s got $150,000 bond set.
If they don`t charge him soon with murder, he`s going to make that bond and get out. They can`t keep him forever without charging him.
CASAREZ: That`s right. But there`s -- but there`s a condition. They say that there will have to be another hearing before he`s released on bond. And remember, there`s that warrant out of North Carolina. So that could come into play.
GRACE: You`re right, Jean. You`re right. That hold in North Carolina could keep this guy behind bars until the state comes up with murder charges.
Everybody, let`s stop and remember Army Specialist Randy Stevens, 21, Swartz Creek, Michigan, killed Iraq. Awarded the Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Global War on Terrorism Service medal.
The day he lost his life was off-duty but volunteered to serve in the place of another soldier. Remembered as very giving and a gentle giant. Loved BMX racing, hunting, Harleys, Ford Mustangs, amusement parks.
Dreamed of opening an auto body repair shop with his brother. Leaves behind parents Sherry and David, brother Jacob, sisters Gina and Connie.
Randy Stevens, American hero.
Thanks to our guests, but especially to you for inviting us into your homes. And a special happy birthday to iron (ph) friend Polly. At 85, she just retired as a nurse. Here she is with daughter Kimberly, one of our CNN stars.
Happy birthday, Polly.
Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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