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Sheen`s Wild Rampage; Sherri`s View; Reality Mom Uncensored; Obama on `The Daily Show`
Aired October 28, 2010 - 21:00 ET
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JOY BEHAR, HLN HOST: I have to say I feel a little sorry for that woman who was with Charlie Sheen when he went nuts the other night. Not only was she locked in the bathroom it turns out Randy Quaid and his wife were living in there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, bad news for Charlie Sheen. Porn star Capri Anderson, the woman locked in the bathroom during Sheen`s rampage, was reportedly fearing for her life and has lawyered up. Will this lead to charges against Charlie?
Then dancing drama: Audrina Patridge`s mom goes on a tirade after Audrina`s elimination.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s the only that has some class and I don`t give a (EXPLETIVE DELETED).
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Plus President Obama takes some heat from an unlikely source. Joy breaks down his face-off with Jon Stewart on "The Daily Show".
That and more starting right now.
BEHAR: You know, some people are afraid to come out of the closet but Charlie Sheen`s last date was afraid to come out of the bathroom.
TMZ is reporting that porn Capri Anderson claims she was so afraid of Sheen during his hotel rampage this week that she locked herself in the toilet in his hotel room. She says he punched the door trying to get in and she feared for her life.
Anderson has now hired a lawyer. What is next for Charlie Sheen?
Here with me to discuss this is Dr. Drew Pinsky, addiction medicine specialist and host of "Celebrity Rehab" on VH-1; attorney Lisa Bloom from the BloomFirm.com which contrary to recent reports represents Oksana Grigorieva in her case against Mel Gibson; and Nicole Laporte, senior west coast reporter with "The Daily Beast. Welcome to the show.
Nicole, porn star Capri Anderson is the woman who was allegedly in Sheen`s Plaza suite when he went on a rampage. Now, we`re looking at her in a shoot for "Penthouse" magazine. Is she pressing charges?
NICOLE LAPORTE, SENIOR WEST COAST REPORTER, "THE DAILY Beast": Yes. She just hired a lawyer, Lisa Bloom and she -- her next move -- she wants to go to Aspen and talk to authorities there about the fact and make sure that they know that Charlie was actually on probation when this happened.
Of course the probation stems from the domestic violence charges that were filed against him last December by his wife Brooke Mueller. So she wants them to know that, look, this guy was on probation when this happened and if they take it seriously there could be consequences. I mean, he could be put in jail for that.
BEHAR: Ok. Well, we reached out to Charlie Sheen by the way and his reps and they declined to comment. But the NYPD is telling us that no charges are being pursued against Sheen as of this morning.
Lisa, this woman actually met Sheen`s ex, Denise Richards, the night of the alleged rampage. She now reportedly has a lawyer. Are you the lawyer?
LISA BLOOM, BLOOMFIRM.COM: No. I don`t represent her. Maybe there is some misunderstanding about that.
BEHAR: Ok.
BLOOM: I do support her in the sense that I think this is another example of a woman who probably has legitimate reasons to have fear given what happened in that room. And now we see the PR machine going after her; that she was in "Penthouse", that she was in porn. There are allegations she may have charged for her services that night.
To me none of that matters. The question is was she threatened? Was she locked in a bathroom in fear? Was the door, you know, being banged upon by him? Was furniture broken?
If she is a crime victim, she is a crime victim. Doesn`t matter to me what she does for a living.
BEHAR: Ok. Dr. Drew, now Charlie Sheen has a long history of violence and bad behavior. I mean, I`ll just give you a little bit of a list of some of it.
1990 he accidentally shot his then fiance Kelly Preston in the leg. In 1997 his ex-girlfriend claimed he beat her up and threatened to kill her. In 1998 he OD`d after injecting cocaine. In 2005, his then pregnant wife Denise Richards accused him of drug abuse and threatening here with violence. In 2009 he was arrested on charges of domestic violence after attacking his third wife, Brooke Mueller.
I mean, I don`t even know what the question is. Can you ever rehabilitate a guy like this?
DREW PINSKY, ADDICTION MEDICINE SPECIALIST: Well, yes, you can. The true line through all of this is that he is using and intoxicated and in the disease of addiction when he is violent. It is very inconsistent with how people experience him when he is sober. Everyone loves this man. Everyone thinks he is a great guy. However, when he is using he clearly has a severe reaction.
And this happens to some addicts. I`m not saying that every addict becomes violent when they`re using but some really do. As such, I`m not excusing his violent behavior. In fact, what I`m saying is if he knows that he is that kind of an addict it makes it that much more imperative that he be responsible for his recovery and do whatever it takes to get back into the program.
BEHAR: Well, let`s talk about his family. Nicole, is part of why Sheen has survived so long because he is a part of, a, because he is part of a beloved Hollywood dynasty? His father is Martin Sheen, his brother is Emilio Estevez and, you know, and there`s that. And also he is a huge money maker. Is that what is going on here, why he survived in the industry?
LAPORTE: Yes. The money certainly helps. But I think what you say about the family is true. And not only is it a celebrity family, it`s a big Hollywood clan, but that family really rallies behind each other.
Two weeks after he was arrested last December for the domestic violence issue, you know, the entire family was at the premiere of Martin Sheen`s play in Los Angeles posing for the paparazzi. And over the years Martin Sheen, who, himself, has been open about his struggles with drug and alcohol, has come out and stood up for Charlie and, you know, tried to get him help. He staged an intervention.
PINSKY: Yes. But let`s hang on here.
BEHAR: Go ahead Drew.
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PINSKY: It just -- standing up and staying unified and supporting him is one thing but Charlie (SIC) has done the right thing which is gone to court and said, please. My son is ill. He needs to be mandated to long- term treatment. I believe that family does understand this disease.
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BEHAR: Well, he did -- he once asked a judge to force Charlie into rehab. Martin did.
BLOOM: And he hasn`t gone to jail, Joy. I mean, can we get real here for a minute? This is a man who has a long history of threatening and abusing women as you just said and he hasn`t done any jail time so we are empowering him.
We are saying to him as a society, you know what? Threaten women. Abuse women. Pull a gun on a woman. It doesn`t matter. We`ll give you a slap on the wrist. You`ll do a little community service. You can keep making $2 million a show and you can keep trashing the victims that all fall in the wake of your bad behavior.
BEHAR: Right.
BLOOM: I mean I think this is outrageous. It shows that we don`t take domestic violence seriously and we let celebrities get away with these terrible crimes.
BEHAR: It just sends the message, doesn`t it, Drew, that men can behave this way and there will be no recourse.
PINSKY: Well, look. I absolutely agree with every word Lisa said. Lisa, you know and I`ve had conversations about the fact that when somebody has addiction the court should be mandating long-term treatment. And that`s what they should be mandating here.
Jail may get through to him if the treatment doesn`t work or he refuses it. I understand jail is the next step but first I hope an enlightened judge would mandate long-term care for this poor guy.
BEHAR: Fine but he needs to do some time as Lisa says. I agree with you.
BLOOM: That`s right.
BEHAR: You know, Lisa --
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BEHAR: Go ahead.
LAPORTE: I was going to say if you look, you know, you can look at the mixed messages. Look at this TV. He is on "Two and a Half Men", the most highly-rated show in the country and because of that they don`t cancel it, they don`t kick him off. You know, he`s paid more money so it`s these mixed messages that are sent. I mean, our society rewards someone so long as they`re making a network money.
BEHAR: Is he in some kind of denial, Lisa? Is he in denial about the domestic abuse? I mean, he seems to just go on his merry way.
BLOOM: You know what, Joy? We would expect a perpetrator of domestic violence to be in denial but what about the rest of us? When are we going to start getting angry about somebody like Charlie Sheen or somebody like Mel Gibson where there are photos of Oksana Grigorieva`s teeth knocked out or he is on tape saying "you f-ing deserved it". He still has not been charged with any domestic violence crimes or any charges in connection with that.
How long are we going to let these guys get away with these kinds of crimes?
BEHAR: Somebody also pointed out that Lindsay Lohan doesn`t quite have the same great reputation even though both of them as Charlie Sheen even though both of them are constantly in trouble with the same problem.
PINSKY: Yes. This was my point. And I would support Lisa in what she was just saying and say even go further and say what`s wrong with us that we reserve such special disdain say for Lindsay Lohan and give the Charlies a little bit of a pass?
BEHAR: Listen to this.
PINSKY: I don`t have any disdain for Lindsay Lohan. She hasn`t hurt anyone except herself. She seems to be an addict with her own share of troubles but she hasn`t been punching anybody. She hasn`t been threatening anyone. It`s a different situation.
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PINSKY: Well, she was out there doing it with vehicles. Whatever, the point is that we as a public view her with great energy and great negativity and we reserve a special enmity for women. Thinks of the words we use to describe an alcoholic woman -- vamp, trashy, slut.
BEHAR: A lush.
PINSKY: These kind of words -- while a guy is sort of hard drinking, hard driving, old boy. We really have to take a look at that. It`s more than just a domestic violence issue from my perspective.
BEHAR: Well, you know, I just have to point out to you that on the "Two and a Half Men" Facebook page it has over 10 million fans since the incident with comments like, "Go, Charlie," and "no publicity is bad".
Drew, how come he gets away with this? I mean, why are these fans loving him so much after what he did? What is this about?
BLOOM: And it`s the same thing with O.J. Simpson. He got away with domestic violence and people held up big signs encouraging him.
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BEHAR: Who are you talking about? I missed that. Who are you talking about?
Pinsky: O.J.
BEHAR: Oh, O.J. Ok. Drew, I`m going to give you the last word.
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PINSKY: I have my own theories about this. I think it`s about us and envy and I think we reserve a particular fear for young women that are intoxicated. We almost fear their out of control sexuality. They`re a threat to us. We are frightened by them. And we reserve a very, very special aggression for them. We need to look at that. It is not fair.
These young women are in trouble. They need our prayers and our hopes. Not our disdain.
BEHAR: And when they hit a woman, they should go to jail.
Thank you very much everybody.
BLOOM: You go Joy.
LAPORTE: Thank you.
BEHAR: My wonderful "The View" co-host Sherri Shepherd stops by next.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming up a little later on THE JOY BEHAR SHOW, the director of the "Hangover" sequel says Mel Gibson wasn`t fired. So what exactly did happen?
And the latest on Jon Stewart`s face-off with President Obama.
Now back to Joy.
BEHAR: Sherri Shepherd is one busy lady. She`s an actress, my co- host on "The View" and the new host of "The Newlywed Game".
Take a look.
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SHERRI SHEPHERD, CO-HOST, "THE VIEW": What`s one part of your body that you would downsize if you could? So we`re going to start with Emily.
EMILY, CONTESTANT: My ankles.
SHEPHERD: Your ankles?
What is wrong with your ankles, girl?
EMILY: I just think they`re kind of meaty and they don`t look good and like --
SHEPHERD: Girl that`s what a man likes, some meat on your ankles.
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BEHAR: I`m happy to welcome back to my show my dear pal, Ms. Sherri Shepherd.
SHEPHERD: Hi, girl.
BEHAR: You know Sherri, no one likes meaty ankles. That is like the cankles they call those.
SHEPHERD: You know well, that`s white women. You all get into that. You don`t like meat anywhere on your body. You need meat, meat is good. In case and if you ever die, somebody can eat you.
I don`t know where that came from.
BEHAR: That came from some cannibal -- some cannibalism book you`ve been reading.
So you want to talk about the Marie Claire thing?
SHEPHERD: Oh the Marie Claire, you had the lady.
BEHAR: Yes.
SHEPHERD: She said --
BEHAR: Yes.
SHEPHERD: -- she is disgusted to see, she is repulsed by seeing fat people even walk across the room. She is repulsing fat people in a romantic situation.
BEHAR: Yes.
SHEPHERD: And I can just picture this woman is like some kind of anorexic looking woman.
BEHAR: She is -- she says in the article that she was anorexic and that might be the reason that she is so repulsed by fat.
SHEPHERD: That figures because -- you know --
BEHAR: That she`s repulsed by her own fat.
SHEPHERD: Yes, I think she needs to get her issues taken care of before she starts throwing them on somebody else. Because for me, like I saw this kind of "Mike and Molly" and I went, finally, they have people who are normal, regular people, because normal folks are not skinny.
BEHAR: Yes.
SHEPHERD: They`re not just size 2. So I was like, finally you got real folks having a relationship. I love it.
BEHAR: Yes. Roseanne had that, didn`t she, on her sitcom?
SHEPHERD: Heck yes. I mean, it was like --
BEHAR: They were chubby.
SHEPHERD: These are people I can relate to --
BEHAR: Yes.
SHEPHERD: -- I can relate to chubby people. I`m chubby. It makes me feel good about when I`m sitting there eating my -- my freaking ice cream and eating crazy I`m looking at somebody that looks like me.
BEHAR: Exactly. And but -- what about the fact that obesity kills?
SHEPHERD: Well, you know what? If you want to give that message about obesity kills that`s one thing but you can`t couch it in I`m repulsed by seeing fat people in a relationship and kissing. That`s two different messages.
BEHAR: Well, what she said also was that it repulses her when a fat person walks across the room.
SHEPHERD: I mean, what is wrong with this lady? I mean, she is weird.
BEHAR: She`s -- she`s not well.
SHEPHERD: No, you need to go to see a therapist and get your stuff together.
BEHAR: That`s right. Well, there -- so there`s not enough obese people on television as far as you`re concerned.
SHEPHERD: I don`t want them obese.
BEHAR: Obese is what she is talking about, she`s not talking about slightly overweight.
SHEPHERD: You know with these people and eating, you know, what`s really funny is on "Mike and Molly" they`re trying to lose weight. They do talk about trying to lose weight.
BEHAR: But they won`t or the show will go off the air.
SHEPHERD: Yes. The show is going to cancel. Who are the skinny people?
BEHAR: All of a sudden.
SHEPHERD: Yes, but they do talk about that. I think, yes. You do have to get healthy but I still want to see real people on TV.
BEHAR: What about black leads on Network TV? Do you think there are enough African-Americans?
SHEPHERD: No, no.
BEHAR: No.
SHEPHERD: You know, it was so funny when I had my show, my sitcom "Sherri" I was the only black woman that had a show and then you had Tyler Perry who had two sitcoms you -- you -- who were leads of shows.
BEHAR: Yes.
SHEPHERD: I think it`s so -- it`s such a trip that there is a black president and then black people are kind of systematically disappearing off the air. You know? It is like you see me and I fade away. I`m gone.
BEHAR: Like without a trace.
SHEPHERD: Exactly. I think, yes. I -- I really do.
BEHAR: Yes.
SHEPHERD: I think, you know, it`s -- to see a show with all white people and there`s no people of color, not even black people but Asians or --
BEHAR: Yes.
SHEPHERD: -- Latin people, I want to see some more people of color on the air.
BEHAR: Ok. Well, you`re doing the newlywed game. Maybe you`ll have more --
SHEPHERD: That`s really exciting Joy --
BEHAR: Yes.
SHEPHERD: -- because you -- typically game shows you would only see old white men hosting game shows.
BEHAR: Like Bob Eubanks.
SHEPHERD: Like Bob Eubanks --
BEHAR: Who was -- the one who did it -- let`s look at the original piece of tape.
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BOB EUBANKS, HOST, "THE NEWLYWED GAME": Girls, tell me, where specifically is the weirdest place that you personally, girls, have ever gotten the urge to make Whoopie? The weirdest place. Olga?
OLGA, CONTESTANT: Um -- in the ass?
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BEHAR: He was talking about the living room, the kitchen.
SHEPHERD: And she said in the butt.
BEHAR: God.
SHEPHERD: That has not changed.
BEHAR: You might get these --
SHEPHERD: Well, we still use the term Whoopie. Well still say, wait and it makes me laugh because we, you know, we work with Whoopie --
BEHAR: Yes.
SHEPHERD: -- so we still use that because that`s just like a warm and fuzzy term that we use with everybody.
BEHAR: Making Whoopie?
SHEPHERD: Making Whoopie, we still do it. But it`s really exciting because you don`t see too many black people being the host of a game show. You`ve Steve Harvey who`s on "The Family Feud", you`ve got Elaine Brady who does "Let`s Make a Deal" and me I do "The Newlywed Game".
BEHAR: Yes.
SHEPHERD: So typically you don`t see black people hosting a game show so that is such --
BEHAR: No.
SHEPHERD: -- that`s pretty -- it`s very cool.
BEHAR: Yes. Now, you have a few in the can I presume.
SHEPHERD: We did 65 episodes in 13 days.
BEHAR: Oh my God.
SHEPHERD: I would leave "The View" and go, well you know how that it is.
BEHAR: Yes I know but no, we don`t work like that. We do every night.
SHEPHERD: No, I do five shows a night.
BEHAR: But I mean -- so in your experience who knows more about their spouse, the man or the woman, the husband or the wife?
SHEPHERD: I think the men know more about the women.
BEHAR: Really?
SHEPHERD: Yes. I really do.
BEHAR: Why do you say that?
SHEPHERD: I don`t know, because every time there is an article coming out for women where it says learn more about your man, validate your man, make him feel good. You -- then you go, no. That`s stupid. Then we get on "The View" and we talk about that when a woman says we`re going to talk about NFL wives saying how you could cheat proof your marriage.
BEHAR: Yes.
SHEPHERD: And in that they were saying you know, you got to validate them, you got to make them feel good.
BEHAR: Right.
SHEPHERD: You`ve got to make them wake up with a smile. And I know - - me, I say, yes. That`s what you got to do.
BEHAR: Yes.
SHEPHERD: You`ve got the kids, but you would say --
BEHAR: Well, I would say it`s like that woman who wanted to wrap herself in Saran wrap. Remember that, the total woman?
SHEPHERD: Yes, the total woman.
BEHAR: That was lame. It means that you`re being obsequious and you`re -- you`re like oh, please love me and all that.
But certainly I would agree --
SHEPHERD: Yes.
BEHAR: -- with a certain amount of that. Of course you must have to make your man feel good about himself.
SHEPHERD: Because he`s like another child. It`s like, I mean, really.
BEHAR: You think that`s a better way to say it, he`s like a child?
SHEPHERD: If you look at it that way.
BEHAR: It`s like a test -- it`s like a little test.
SHEPHERD: Then you can get through it. It`s like, you know, because I remember when I was married I`d have to say things like oh, my gosh.
BEHAR: Yes.
SHEPHERD: You put the toilet seat down today. Go ahead. And now I do it with Jeffrey my 5-year-old. You went potty. Go ahead, you`re a big boy. It`s the same thing. It`s interchangeable.
BEHAR: Ok. We`re going to have more with you. I want to ask you how you felt when Whoopi and I walked off "The View" a couple of weeks ago.
We`ll be back after a quick break.
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BEHAR: I`m back with my pal Sherri Shepherd.
Listen, Sherri I have to ask you. It was a couple of weeks ago.
SHEPHERD: Girl.
BEHAR: Seems like a year ago. Whoopi and I walked off because of Bill O`Reilly, which he has now apologized to some extent about saying something that we didn`t like really bad, he said that the Muslims killed us on 9/11.
SHEPHERD: Yes.
BEHAR: And we wanted him to clarify -- extremists, terrorists. But he insisted --
SHEPHERD: Yes. He just painted a broad brush.
BEHAR: And I believe he stands by that particular statement still.
SHEPHERD: Yes.
BEHAR: So I`m curious. You know, I felt propelled like a poltergeist pulled me out of the seat and I walked off.
SHEPHERD: I was sitting there.
BEHAR: What did you think?
SHEPHERD: I was sitting there with Elisabeth and it was going on, oh my God, he even started in on Whoopi. Oh, he done started in on Joy. It`s about to go down.
Now, when you stood up I remember looking up going, she walk -- she -- what? What are they doing? I was so shocked. I stand behind you because, you know, you stood by what you believe and you did what you believe. So I`m totally with you. But it just, it`s shocking.
BEHAR: What about Barbara? She said I should not walk out of my own home. You should never walk out of your own home. I would say to Barbara, if she were here now, what about if you`re an abused wife? Should you walk out of the home?
SHEPHERD: You should walk out of a home.
BEHAR: Yes.
SHEPHERD: But I think it was our home and I think that you guys would have been able to handle Bill but I understand it was so --
BEHAR: There was too much yelling.
SHEPHERD: It was so much yelling and for him to turn around and say to you, "Listen, you might learn something," that is completely unacceptable. I knew you were holding back. You are not a violent person but I think the violence was about to come out.
I could look at Whoopi and I could see Karen Jones -- Karen Johnson because Whoopi, she don`t mess with you if you don`t mess with her. Then she starts. Karen Johnson.
People start thinking, there`s jumping jack flash. Not at all. There`s Karen Johnson. And I could see that coming out --
BEHAR: From the projects.
SHEPHERD: -- from the projects -- I could see Karen Johnson and Joy Behar. Y`all were --
BEHAR: Josephine Ocudo (ph) you were looking at honey.
SHEPHERD: That`s how you ladies -- the little street fighter. I could see it coming out and I was getting scared. It was probably a good idea Bill didn`t see that come out. You had to do what you had to do.
BEHAR: Yes.
SHEPHERD: I understand.
BEHAR: Here are some Twitter questions for you.
SHEPHERD: Yes.
BEHAR: How many wigs do you have and why don`t you just go au natural?
SHEPHERD: You have seen me natural. You will not see me again. My hair is very fine. You know this. It`s long, it`s fine, it`s too much heat product. So wigs are like an accessory. I probably have 30 of them.
And none of your business; if you don`t like it then go somewhere else and find somebody.
BEHAR: Ok. Don`t turn away.
SHEPHERD: That`s what I say. This is what you are going to get. It was long yesterday. Short today. There we go.
BEHAR: Here`s another one. They want to know why you have never thought about breast reduction surgery?
SHEPHERD: Because I love my boobs. You see, I love my boobs, everything about my boobs. It`s wonderful. I just touch myself every morning. It just feels so good. Makes me -- I`m at Zen peace with my boobs. Any other questions? Love them.
BEHAR: These are good. These are not my questions. These are people who watch -- if you never made it in showbiz what would you be doing?
SHEPHERD: If I never made it in showbiz I think I`d be a veterinarian. I love animals.
BEHAR: Really.
SHEPHERD: Yes. I love animals.
BEHAR: You were a legal secretary at one point.
SHEPHERD: Yes. Typed 86 words a minute.
BEHAR: Very good. Very good. I`ve done that in my day also. Ok.
We have another here? You were raised Jehovah`s Witness. When and why did you stop practicing? You were very good at it. Why do you need to practice?
SHEPHERD: I`d come to the door every Saturday. I`d be like hello. Do you know you might be going to hell? We have the "Watch Tower" and the "Wake" if you want to stave off going to hell. We have these things --
BEHAR: I know some people you can send that book to.
SHEPHERD: I wonder who?
BEHAR: You can see Sherri Shepherd hosting "The Newlywed Game" premiering Monday at 6:00 p.m. on GSM.
We`ll be right back.
Thanks, honey. Great to see you here and get to just talk, talk, talk.
SHEPHERD: I love it.
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BEHAR: Reality star, Audrina Patridge, was booted from "Dancing With The Stars" this week, and while she took the surprising elimination with a smile, her mother did not. Take a look.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Audrina is going to (EXPLETIVE DELETED) rise. And she`s got class and you know why? You know why?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because she comes from you.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, ((EXPLETIVE DELETED). She`s a polish catholic (EXPLETIVE DELETED) Italian. Not only that, she was raised right.
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BEHAR: Now, you usually don`t hear this kind of language unless you`re locked in Charlie Sheen`s bathroom. Here now to discuss this and more are Paul Scheer, comedian and star of "FX`s the League", Lisa Vanderpump, co-star of "The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills," and Rob Shuter, AOL`s "Popeater" Columnist.
Rob, she admitted she had three glasses of wine. Do you think she had more than that?
ROB SHUTER, AOL`S "POPEATER" COLUMNIST: Well, she`s pretty skinny. So, I don`t know. Maybe sort of like it went to her head a little quick, but she`s really, really angry. And there`s something about this that I kind of like, like the mother defending her daughter.
BEHAR: Yes.
SHUTER: It`s sort of something that I like the sentimentality of it.
BEHAR: Yes.
LISA VANDERPUMP, "THE REAL HOUSEWIVES OF BEVERLY HILLS": Oh, God. No. I totally disagree with you. Defending her daughter. She also slaughtered the show that made her famous. Now, I totally disagree with you. Sorry. I didn`t think she had three glasses. I thought she had three bottles. Sorry.
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PAUL SCHEER, COMEDIAN: I never thought that I would say that someone would make Dina Lohan look classy, but she managed to do it in that video.
BEHAR: Yes.
SCHEER: She really did. I mean, she was a mess like no one wants to see that.
BEHAR: She says that -- this is interesting. She says it was political that her daughter was thrown off the show. What does she mean by that?
SCHEER: Well, you know, they`re clearly kicking off people with Sandy Brown hair. You know, first it was Michael Bolton. Now, it`s Audrina.
BEHAR: Now, wasn`t this about Bristol Palin, isn`t that?
VANDERPUMP: Yes. I think that`s what she`s talking about. Yes.
BEHAR: So, if the mother is this angry now, imagine, if Bristol Palin gets thrown off. Let`s look at this tape where she says this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m a celebrity mom eight years (EXPLETIVE DELETED). Audrina is going to the next level baby.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes she is, and we`re going to support her to the next level.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, she`s got it in her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She does.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s a sweetie.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She is. Out of all the Hills girls, I like (EXPLETIVE DELETED)
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My baby is a star.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, she is.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She`s the only one that has some class, and I don`t give a (EXPLETIVE DELETED) about it.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, but you know what right now?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m just angry because something happened tonight, and it`s political.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: See. There`s the political thing. Interesting. I thought that was --
SHUTER: She`s angry. I saw Audrina this morning, actually, and she is furious that she got kicked off "Dancing with the Stars." She`s like Michael Bolton angry like she`s really, really angry.
BEHAR: Really. So, she`s not as angry with her mother for the fact that --
SHUTER: No. She seems quite like -- she didn`t mention her mom.
SCHEER: So, do you feel it? I mean, was her dancing that good? I did not see "Dancing with the Stars."
SHUTER: It`s pretty good. I mean, it`s better than Bristol Palin.
BEHAR: But it`s a popularity contest. It`s not about how great you dance.
VANDERPUMP: Absolutely.
BEHAR: Better stay (ph) with moves, OK?
(LAUGHTER)
VANDERPUMP: But then you think to me, (INAUDIBLE) I mean, with her mother behaving like that, I wouldn`t give a flying frog about "Dancing with the Stars" after that. When she`s saying she needs to go to another level I`m like your mother needs to go to another level out of here.
SHUTER: Audrina has her own reality show coming up and her mom is on it.
VANDERPUMP: Oh, no. Another train wreck.
BEHAR: Oh, TV just gets better and better. Next story. David Arquette says the first time he had sex after his marriage broke up, there was a lot of crying. Who was in the room, Glenn Beck? OK.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: Here he is on the "Howard Stern Show" yesterday. Watch.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DAVID ARQUETTE, ACTOR: After the first girl I slept with, I like, you know, a few days later, I was like, you know, crying. You know? I know that`s not very sexy.
(LAUGHTER)
HOWARD STERN, HOST: Why were you crying? David, why were you crying?
ARQUETTE: Because it was like, you know, it was the end of all the, you know, intimacy I shared with my wife.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: I can tell by the music they were very sensitive.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: What`s going on here, Paul?
SCHEER: I don`t know. I feel like the real life version of "Forgetting Sarah Marshall." Like, you know, this is like the phone call that you get from your friend but broadcast to everybody. It`s like, oh, it`s so uncomfortable, but I want to hear more, you know. Everything that he says it makes your stomach turn. You feel so bad for this guy.
BEHAR: You do?
SCHEER: Oh, yes.
VANDERPUMP: I think he`s totally out of the picture.
(LAUGHTER)
VANDERPUMP: No, he behaved despicably. You don`t do that. Absolutely not. No. You don`t go on television and then say that, you know, he`s had sex with another girl. There are no winners in this situation.
BEHAR: So, you don`t think it makes him look sensitive?
VANDERPUMP: No, I don`t.
(CROSSTALK)
VANDERPUMP: Yes, I think he looks ridiculous. I think he`s been married to her for years. He should have a modicum of decorum (INAUDIBLE)
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: This is not the first time he`s done this.
SHUTER: No. He`s to stop dialing.
BEHAR: Do you think he forgets that he`s on the radio? When I was on the radio on a radio show, I used to forget I was on the radio. I got into more trouble then.
SCHEER: It`s a real life therapy session. You`re just checking into it. I mean, it really is fascinating. And I think, also, she, his wife is kind of in the wrong, but he`s protecting her. He`s not really getting into the whole nitty gritty because, I think --
VANDERPUMP: Why is his wife in the wrong?
SCHEER: Well, didn`t she cheat on him? Isn`t that the big story?
(CROSSTALK)
SHUTER: OK. An emotional affair.
BEHAR: Which doesn`t involve
VANDERPUMP: It`s not a nooky stuff.
SCHEER: OK. But emotional. That`s it.
BEHAR: Do you think they have any chance of getting back together, Paul?
SCHEER: I hope so.
BEHAR: After this?
SCHEER: I hope so.
BEHAR: Would you go back to him?
VANDERPUMP: Oh, absolutely not. No. He also said that she was the mother in that relationship. Did you see that?
(CROSSTALK)
VANDERPUMP: He needs to talk to somebody but not Howard Stern.
BEHAR: Howard Stern is far from being -- OK. Let`s talk about Mel Gibson. He`s off "Hangover 2," the "Hangover 2." But the director, Todd Phillips, says he wasn`t fired, you know.
SCHEER: That`s like saying, I wasn`t kicked out of the restaurant. I was asked to leave.
BEHAR: Right.
(LAUGHTER)
SCHEER: You`re not in it. And someone else is --
BEHAR: And suddenly, the plan (ph) is not executed. He`s on vacation.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: So, what do you think? It was only a cameo, Rob.
SHUTER: Yes. It was like -- they shot it already. And I think throughout it`s like a tiny, tiny, tiny part. But it was Mel`s part and the cast didn`t want him there and he`s gone. So, they can spin it whichever way they want, but the truth of the matter is, he was asked not to be part of this movement.
BEHAR: Right. And Liam Neeson has the job.
SHUTER: Yes. He`s done. Liam`s taped it already.
BEHAR: But Todd is a little ticked off and so is Mel. What`s Mel so angry about? It`s only three minutes.
SHUTER: I think Mel thought that this was a great way for him to tip his toe back into show business.
BEHAR: Why?
SHUTER: Because his name wasn`t on the title. The movie was not going to be a bomb or failure or success because of him. It`s like a safe bet.
BEHAR: But shouldn`t he be really, you know, asking for the forgiveness of people out there and his ex-wife?
SHUTER: And I think that was going to come, too, like the sources that we spoke to say that Mel is planning to sit down and do that big sorry interview with somebody. They`re talking to different outlets at the moment.
SCHEER: I think if he wanted to do it, he should have gone on there as himself like Mike Tyson did in the first one. (INAUDIBLE) like be dressed as a Thai tattoo artist like which he was supposed to do, but it just seems like he`s kind of skirting the issue. At least be Mel Gibson.
BEHAR: But that`s a good part for Jesse James. He could do that part.
(CROSSTALK)
SCHEER: That was great. That was perfect.
VANDERPUMP: Yes, but you know one thing I would like to say in Mel Gibson`s defense is that he is so incredible the amount of money he gives to charity. I know it seems like a complete kind of dichotomy.
BEHAR: Yes.
VANDERPUMP: His character, that he seems so angry. But the amount of work he does for charity, children`s charity, is incredible, and he doesn`t draw any attention to it. So, for that fact alone, I do have a lot of respect for Mel Gibson. I just don`t share his religious beliefs.
BEHAR: That`s good if you`re not his ex what`s her name?
VANDERPUMP: Yes.
BEHAR: Oksana Grigorieva
SHUTER: Yes
BEHAR: It was interesting. The crew got rid of him, you know.
SHUTER: Yes.
BEHAR: Galifianakis.
SCHEER: Galifianakis.
BEHAR: I have trouble with that name. And the crew actually wanted him gone, which is a very interesting point that they were able to do that.
SHUTER: It has. I mean, normally, this never happens. The cast are normally the least powerful people in Hollywood. It`s always the executives. So, for a cast to get together and do this is remarkable.
BEHAR: Yes.
SHUTER: I`ve never known this happened.
BEHAR: You mentioned Mike Tyson. Here`s a quote from Mike Tyson, who`s in the "Hangover 1." "I`m not going to ever in my life point my finger at anyone. I don`t live in a glass house." He put his fist through it.
(LAUGHTER)
VANDERPUMP: But he also said.
SCHEER: That`s like saying like Mike Tyson endorses me.
VANDERPUMP: But he also said, I think Mike Tyson, didn`t he say something like, we all have a Mel Gibson in us.
(CROSSTALK)
VANDERPUMP: I`ve been married 29 years, but I certainly don`t want a Mel Gibson --
BEHAR: But what about giving all the moneys to charity?
VANDERPUMP: I think he`s incredible. I really do think that`s --
SCHEER: You should hear when they mess up his credit card information on the phone.
(LAUGHTER)
BEHAR: All right.
VANDERPUMP: He gave a hundred million dollars to children`s charities. That is unbelievable.
SCHEER: That`s very good.
BEHAR: Whatever. I`m happy that he should give his money, you know. It`s a good tax write of too. Thanks guys. Catch Paul Scheer on "The League" Thursday nights on FX and Lisa Vanderpump, I love your name, on Bravo`s "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" also on Thursday nights. Back in a minute. Thank you, guys.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: President Obama made history yesterday when he became the first sitting president to appear on Jon Stewart`s "Daily Show." Stewart pressed him on delivering his campaign promises. Watch.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
JON STEWART, HOST: If you were to say you`d run this time as a pragmatist, you would not, it wouldn`t be "yes we can" given certain conditions.
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: No, I think what I would say is "yes we can, but it`s not -- "
(LAUGHTER)
OBAMA: But it is not going to happen overnight.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: Here now to discuss this and much more politics are Nicolle Wallace, former White House Communications director under George W. Bush, I can hardly say it, and the author of "Eighteen Acres" and Jimmy Tingle, comedian. OK. Welcome to the show, you guys. Yes. I mean, communication, do you think Bush was a good communicator?
NICOLLE WALLACE, AUTHOR, "EIGHTEEN ACRES": I think he was better when the cameras were off than when they were on, and that was probably my fault not his.
BEHAR: My mother was like that. How did Obama do, Jimmy?
JIMMY TINGLE, COMEDIAN: I thought he did great.
BEHAR: Yes?
TINGLE: I thought he did as well as could be expected. He had to -- Stewart was fantastic.
BEHAR: Yes.
TINGLE: He asked very penetrating questions, really, you know, not easy questions. It wasn`t fluff, but he`s great enough, you know, good enough to make it funny at the same time, and Obama tried to answer to the best of his ability and tried to lay out what`s been going on and, you know, the difficulty of doing --
BEHAR: Right.
TINGLE: The situation we`re in.
BEHAR: But Nicolle, do you think it was a good move to go on "The Daily Show"?
WALLACE: I think Stewart was brilliant. And I`m a big fan of presidents going outside of the traditional news shows. I was a big fan of him going on "The View."
BEHAR: Yes.
WALLACE: I think it`s crucial for a president especially during difficult times to go where people are more relaxed when they`re watching them. But I didn`t think the president looked that great. And I thought that Stewart got the better of him every time, and so, I think to bring into sharp focus how disappointed --
BEHAR: Do you agree with that, Jim?
TINGLE: No. I think he did -- I think he made a good move by going on to the show, absolutely.
BEHAR: But did he make the president look bad?
TINGLE: I don`t think he was trying to make the president look bad.
WALLACE: No, I don`t either. I don`t either.
TINGLE: He was asking him questions, and Obama was saying, listen. Yes we can, but it takes time. And you just don`t get up there as you know working with the Bush administration -- you don`t get up there and tell the Republican Party this is what we`re going to do and this is how it`s going to be.
You can only compromise with people if they`re willing to compromise with you or work with people who are willing to work with you.
BEHAR: OK.
TINGLE: And I think that`s what he was trying to stay.
BEHAR: OK. Obama pushed back after Stewart said the president has been legislatively tipped (ph), specifically on health care. Watch.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
OBAMA: Jon, I love your show.
STEWART: Oh, great interview.
(LAUGHTER)
OBAMA: But this is something where, you know, I have a profound disagreement with you.
STEWART: Right.
OBAMA: This is what -- I think most people would say is as significant a piece of legislation as we`ve seen in this country`s history. Right now, there is a woman in New Hampshire who doesn`t have to sell her house to get her cancer treatments because of that health care bill
(APPLAUSE)
OBAMA: And she doesn`t think it`s inconsequential. She doesn`t think it`s timid.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
BEHAR: So, was it good, Jim, to see him fight back like that?
TINGLE: Absolutely.
BEHAR: Yes.
TINGLE: He`s got to do it. He`s go to go out there and put himself where the voters are. More people are watching this than a lot of the more serious programs. So, I think he had to do it, and I think he did a good job on it.
BEHAR: Well, a new poll shows that Obama is losing the coalition that got him into power in the first place, which is women, independence, less affluent Americans. Why is he losing it? Do these people expect miracles from this man?
WALLACE: Well, this is why I think politically it`s not a great sign for the White House that he had to go do this show. These people should be shored up. It`s five days before election.
BEHAR: I know.
WALLACE: So, that was my only point there. I think that the coalition has fallen apart because what knits all those groups you just named together is that there are a lot of independents.
BEHAR: Yes.
WALLACE: And independents were the first ones to go a little herky jerky when the debts started to bloom. They were the first ones to kind of fall away from Obama after the big stimulus package. They fell further after the health care debate. And I think they`re deeply concerned about the size of the debt and the slow phase of economic recovery.
BEHAR: Right. OK. But women seem to be leaning more Republican these days for the first time in 30 years. I don`t understand that, because he just said, if you have a pre-existing condition now with health care, you`re going to still get insurance. If you are 26 years old, you can still be on your parents` policy. I mean, I think that those things are important, that we would think women would be appreciative of that. Wouldn`t you, Jimmy?
TINGLE: You would think so, and I think they are. And let`s see how they end up voting ultimately because a lot of -- there`s a lot of speculation going up into the election. You know, the enthusiasm gap and all of this sort of stuff. One of the reasons I think the Republican women are doing better this year or Republicans are doing better with women is there are more women running in the Republican Party than before.
One thing, though, like with the tea party movement, largely pro-life women are running. And I`m not so sure the whole country is pro-life nor do they want a constitutional amendment to ban abortion that some of these people want. And I think that`s been something that`s been really glossed over, not really addressed in the whole campaign.
BEHAR: A lot of these women, though, they say that they`re pro- children, for example, this Mama Grizzlies. And yet, when you read their policies, they`re not pro-children at all. It`s like take away health care, take away free lunches, take everything away from children. Can you explain that to me?
WALLACE: Yes, I think we`re just at a place where there are no legitimate, agreed upon sources of information. I mean, I make up a fictional woman president in this book.
BEHAR: Yes.
WALLACE: But the greater farce is that she`s a moderate. And we`re probably further away from electing someone who`s in the middle of the road than we are from electing a female president. You know, we`ve so denigrated anything in the center and anything reasonable.
BEHAR: I think Obama is in the middle of the road.
WALLACE: The Republicans think he`s the most extreme president we`ve ever had. So, people are looking at, you know, it`s like the thing where you touch different parts of the elephant.
BEHAR: Yes.
WALLACE: You know, we`re just at such a low point in terms of --
BEHAR: He`s so moderate.
TINGLE: Joy, I think you`re right. He is a moderate. And he also came to office saying, listen, we got to come together as a country.
BEHAR: Yes.
TINGLE: He says with more that unites us than divides us. And to the whole pro-life, pro-choice thing, I think that Planned Parenthood should merge with the Catholic Church. To create the largest reproductive rights/adoption center in the world. Planned Catholics of the hood.
WALLACE: Yes, dream.
(LAUGHTER)
TINGLE: And focus on what we have in common. To unite us as people.
BEHAR: OK. All right.
WALLACE: I agree. I agree.
BEHAR: We`ll have more with my panel in just a minute.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BEHAR: I`m back with my panel, comedian, Jimmy Tingle and former White House Communications director, Nicolle Wallace. Now, Sarah Palin said that she will run for president if there is, quote, "nobody else to do it," unquote, but Karl Rove is questioning her suitability for the job.
He said, quote, "with all due candor, appearing on your own reality show on the Discovery Channel, I am not certain how that fits in the American calculus of that helps me see you in the oval office." So, you`re a campaign adviser. You were for McCain and Palin.
WALLACE: Right.
BEHAR: And Palin and Rove do not seem to like each other. I see a schism between the Karl Rove, what they call the elite part of the Republican Party and the tea partiers.
WALLACE: Right.
BEHAR: So, what do you make of that?
WALLACE: Well, what I think is really interesting is Karl Rove has a very large hand in helping to elect a lot of these first time candidates. So, in reality, he actually is in very good stead with a lot of the tea partiers and a lot of these first time candidates as an establishment figure.
BEHAR: But didn`t he say Christine O`Donnell was nutty?
WALLACE: Right. Right.
BEHAR: And he told Palin -- Palin famously told Rove, buck up. There`s a lot of that going around, man up, buck up.
WALLACE: Yes, those two. But it is interesting, and it does point to the fact that she sees herself as above and beyond any of the rules, and it`s worked out for her just fine. If she goes and runs for president, I think she`d have to make peace with people like Karl Rove who have a big hand in that Republican nominating process.
BEHAR: Well, he`s going to have to, you know, like put his snobby nose down, won`t he? Jimmy, Palin said she`d run for president if nobody else will do it.
TINGLE: 350 million people in the country. Someone is going to step up. I think so.
BEHAR: She`s the only one.
TINGLE: But Karl Rove is very smart because he realizes she`s not ready for primetime in terms of president. She`s not presidential timber. Do you think she could have sat there with Jon Stewart for that long and, you know, undergone that type of questioning?
BEHAR: No.
TINGLE: I don`t think so. And come off good? I`m not so sure.
BEHAR: With the elections coming up this week, next week, I mean, we`ll see what they do. Some of them are no brain trusts, you know. You got Paladino off the wall. You got Christine O`Donnell thinks that --
WALLACE: They`re not going to win. They`re not going to win.
BEHAR: You don`t think so?
No.
BEHAR: We`ll see. Not those two, but what about Sharron Angle?
WALLACE: That`ll be the one to watch.
BEHAR: The racist ads she`s running, come on.
WALLACE: It says a lot about Harry Reid, too. I mean, it`s a bad choice for the voters in Nevada.
TINGLE: Joy, you can make anybody look bad with an ad. He gives comfort to illegal aliens, has defended accused criminals, at a time of rising terror he opposes war. At a time of rising crime, he opposes the death penalty. He wants to use your hard earned tax dollars, Joy, to, quote, "feed the hungry, heal the sick, and house the homeless." Jesus Christ. Soft on crime. Tax and spend. Bleeding heart. Liberal.
BEHAR: Why are they always bringing Jesus and God into these conversations as if they`re such angels these people.
WALLACE: Well, there are a lot of people with strong faith in this country and, you know, each his own.
BEHAR: Jimmy Carter. I spoke to him last night. He has tremendous faith, and he`s a good Christian. He never wore it on his sleeve, He never put it in anybody`s face. These people are using Jesus, in my opinion. Anyway, I have to go.
TINGLE: It`s a narrow interpretation of Christianity.
BEHAR: A very narrow one. Who do you want for president for women would run? Who do you want to run? Hillary Clinton?
WALLACE: I`m disappointed. Looks like Meg Whitman and Carly Fiorina aren`t going to, you know, succeed. I think they would have been national figures.
BEHAR: Carly Fiorina. Didn`t she bring Hewlett-Packard into the gutter? Come on. Thanks, guys. And catch Jimmy Tingle at Regent Theater in Arlington, Massachusetts, November 27th. (INAUDIBLE). Good night, everybody.
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