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Nancy Grace

Texas Woman Stabs Husband 200 Times

Aired October 28, 2010 - 20:00   ET

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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight, live Texas. She`s called the "blue-eyed butcher" for a reason. A beautiful Texas blonde allegedly ties her 34-year-old husband to the bed, and during what promises to be quite a night, something goes wrong.

Bombshell tonight. It goes wrong, all right. Hubby`s stabbed over 200 times while still tied to the bed. After an elaborate web of lies that goes on days and days, the family dog tries to dig up his master in the back yard, partially chewing off the victim`s left hand. The then 27-year- old mom of two now insists she experienced, quote, "a break in reality" when the stabbing occurred.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Susan Wright admitted she tied her husband, Jeffrey Wright, to their bed and stabbed him nearly 200 times.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jeff Wright, the decedent, loved to use women as punching bags.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stabbed him nearly 200 times. The Texas court of criminal appeals granted Wright a new punishment trial because it found she had ineffective counsel. Her first lawyer, Neil Davis (ph), did not call two expert witnesses or a former fiancee of Jeffrey Wright who would have testified that Wright was a batterer and that Susan Wright snapped after years of abuse.

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GRACE: And tonight, cops say Hollywood wonder Charlie Sheen, in an apparent coke-fueled frenzy, locks a mystery woman without a stitch on into a bathroom at the five-star Plaza Hotel. And now the mystery lady is ID`d. She`s a porn star -- excuse me, erotic actress who goes by the name Capri Anderson. After Sheen just escaped jail time for a Colorado attack on his wife, the mother of his twin girls, is he finally headed to a jail cell?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Charlie Sheen will not face any charges for that incident at a New York City hotel.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The actor would probably like to get back to work and away from all those questions about his wild night.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No criminal complaints have been filed against the actor.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The woman who was with him has been identified as 22-year-old porn star Capri Anderson.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: New York police sent him to the hospital after reportedly finding him naked and acting crazy in a trashed hotel room.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Anderson`s lawyer is threatening to take the matter to authorities in Colorado, where Sheen is on probation.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She wants his probation on a Colorado assault conviction revoked because of this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Will her account of what happened affect Charlie Sheen`s probation?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The actor reportedly tells Radaronline the incident has been overblown.

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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. A beautiful Texas blonde, the "blue-eyed butcher," allegedly ties her 34-year-old husband to the bed, and during what promises to be quite a night, something goes wrong. It goes wrong, all right. Hubby ends up being stabbed over 200 times while still tied to the bed. And after a week -- over a week of elaborate lies, the family dog digs up the husband in the back yard, partially chewing off his left hand.

To Joe Gomez, KTRH Newsradio. She stabs him 200 times, and her only defense is she had a break with reality?

JOE GOMEZ, KTRH NEWSRADIO: Nancy, this was a case that shook the Houston area. I mean, Susan Wright -- prosecutors say Susan Wright slipped her husband the date rape drug, dripped hot candle wax on his body while they were in bed and then stabbed him 200 times...

GRACE: Excuse me? Excuse me! Gomez, Gomez, Gomez! She did what?

GOMEZ: Yes. Prosecutors say she slipped him the date rape drug and dripped hot candle wax on his body, and then stabbed him over 200 times with a knife.

GRACE: OK, let me get...

GOMEZ: Then afterwards, she then buried him...

GRACE: ... something straight, Joe.

GOMEZ: ... in the back yard.

GRACE: When was the "break with reality," when she slipped him gamma hydroxy butyrate, the date rape drug, or when she tied him to the bed, when she stabbed him 200 times, or when she buried him in the back yard so that the dog had to partially dig him up? Where was the break in reality?

GOMEZ: Well, you`re right, Nancy. This all seems like it was planned out well in advance, you know? So prosecutors have a lot of -- (INAUDIBLE) a lot of holes in her defense that she was abused and this was just a crime of passion. But that`s what she`s claiming. She claims that her husband was a drug addict. He was high on cocaine. And he`d smack her around. And she finally had enough of it. And so that`s why she stabbed him over 200 times with a knife.

GRACE: Well, I guess it...

GOMEZ: Of course, the prosecutors...

GRACE: ... was pretty hard to smack her around when he was tied hands and feet to the bed. To Jean Casarez, legal correspondent, "In Session." What do you know, Jean?

JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION" (via telephone): Well, the first trial, she was sentenced to 25 years. So that`s the history of this case. Now there will be a redo of the penalty phase...

GRACE: Hold on. We`ll catch Jean Casarez. We`ve lost her satellite.

Back to Joe Gomez, KTRH Newsradio. Take me back to the night of the incident -- the night of the incident. What do we know for sure happened? I`m not talking about her version.

GOMEZ: Right. What we know for sure happened is that -- you know, prosecutors know that Susan Wright had strapped her husband to the bed. We know this because there were ligature marks found on the husband`s wrists and ankles there. She...

GRACE: Wait a minute.

GOMEZ: ... stabbed him...

GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa...

GOMEZ: ... over 200 times...

GRACE: ... whoa! Joe, hold on a moment! Are you telling me, after they dig the guy up out of the back yard, after the dog chews off his left hand, they can still see the ligature marks on his wrists?

GOMEZ: That`s what I`m telling you, Nancy. Prosecutors still found the marks on his wrists and on his ankles, as well. So they that know at one point, he was tied down. (INAUDIBLE) 190-something puncture wounds to his body, Nancy, from head to toe, he had! So we know that he was stabbed over 190-something times. I mean, they`ve convicted Susan Wright of this crime already. The only thing that`s in dispute is what kind of sentence should she get.

GRACE: We are...

GOMEZ: Should she get life in prison...

GRACE: ... taking your calls. Out to Brenda in Pennsylvania. Hi, Brenda.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. How are you?

GRACE: I`m good, dear. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`d like to know if this young lady was ever married before, or if she has a record that follows (ph)?

GRACE: Well, I know at the time she stabbed her husband 200 times, she had just turned 27. I do not believe she had been married before, and had no previous criminal history. And as for domestic abuse, to my understanding, there had not been any calls to police or any suggestion of domestic abuse on her by the husband in the past.

Now, you`re seeing, basically, a sheriff`s shot her. This is what she looked like, OK, before she went behind bars when she was first arrested on this. We`re taking your calls. That was Brenda in Pennsylvania.

Hi, Mauri, Mauri in Indiana. What`s your question?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Actually, it`s Idaho, Nancy. But thanks a lot.

GRACE: Oh, thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And thanks for taking my call.

GRACE: Yes, ma`am.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just want to know how anybody can claim self- defense -- I mean, 200 times, drugged, tied up. I mean, if he was abusive, why didn`t she just whack him on the head with (INAUDIBLE)

GRACE: Hey, Mauri? Mauri, Mauri? You left out the hot wax, Mauri in Idaho.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, I forgot that.

GRACE: Don`t leave out the dripping the hot wax. I guess they saw that on some movie and decided to try it out that night. Little did he know what was to follow the hot wax.

Unleash the lawyers. Joining us tonight, felony prosecutor, death penalty-qualified, Eleanor Odom, Renee Rockwell, defense attorney, Atlanta, Alex Sanchez, defense attorney joining us out of New York.

What about it Renee, 200 stab wounds. She says she had a break with reality during the stabbing only. I guess she came back to reality when she buried her husband in the back yard and lied about it for over a week, until the dog dug him up?

RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Don`t you hate when that happens, when the dog gets involved in the case? But Nancy, like your caller was talking about, a self-defense defense -- this is not really self-defense, this is a battered woman`s defense. And the reason she`s being retried or resentenced is because her initial attorney did not bring in the specialists. There were two that could have talked about her break with reality, the fact that she didn`t...

GRACE: Her break with reality?

ROCKWELL: ... even think -- Nancy, they didn`t think she was safe because she was still afraid of him. After -- even in his death, she was afraid he would come back to harm her.

GRACE: Really? Why? Did she see his left arm sticking up out of the back yard where the dog dug it up?

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GRACE: Back to the lines.

ROCKWELL: That`s a defense.

GRACE: Yes. OK. In your mind. Out of the lines. Hi, Ellen. What`s your question, dear?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Thank you for taking my call.

GRACE: Thank you for calling.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just have a quick comment and a question.

GRACE: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: First of all, obviously, you know, it sounds like she had at least part of this planned, with having him tied up to the bed. You know, she had something planned. But what kills me is 200 times. And she had a break with reality. How long does it take to stab someone 200 times before you come back to reality?

GRACE: You know what? You`re so right, Ellen. And again, if she did have a break with reality, which of course, she did not, her only break with reality is thinking she was going to get away with this. Can you imagine, Ellen, the crime scene she left behind? I can`t believe she pulled off for six days or seven days or however long it was that she lied. And it was an extremely elaborate lie that she kept getting in deeper and deeper and deeper, trying to explain where the young husband was.

What about it? Weigh in, Eleanor Odom.

ELEANOR ODOM, PROSECUTOR: Well, you know, Nancy, what we`ve been talking about that`s so important is the planning. There`s no break from reality. You go out and you get GHB, the date rape drug. You give it to the husband. You tie him up. I mean, look at every little step that goes into it. That`s called premeditation, and that`s murder.

GRACE: Go ahead, Sanchez.

ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: ... keep talking about the break in reality. You know, the break in reality probably occurred when this woman was being pummeled on a regular basis. And another thing, Nancy. I`m kind surprised at you. You say she had never reported this to the police. How many women out there have been brutalized over a period of years and are afraid to go to the police?

GRACE: Put Sanchez up. Put him up!

SANCHEZ: So the fact that she...

GRACE: Put him up!

SANCHEZ: Go ahead. Put me up. The fact that she...

GRACE: Let me tell you something, Sanchez.

SANCHEZ: ... refused to go to the police is not something you should put so much merit in there.

GRACE: Let me tell you something, Sanchez. Not only did I represent battered women in court, I worked as a volunteer for over 10 years -- hold it! -- at night. I`m 200 percent supportive of battered women!

SANCHEZ: Well, then you should realize...

GRACE: So let me tell you something! If you can keep those lips together for one minute! That what I do not condone is cold-blooded murder and trying to use the battered women`s defense, if it doesn`t exist because then you`re casting doubt on every woman that really is battered! So don`t tell me 200 stab wounds equals a break with reality.

SANCHEZ: You know something?

GRACE: Let`s go to the shrink...

SANCHEZ: When somebody stabs...

GRACE: ... Bethany Marshall.

SANCHEZ: When somebody stabs somebody 200 times, that is per se evidence of dysfunction.

GRACE: Bethany?

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST: Nancy, I do treat battered women, and these women are so intimidated, so frightened that they cannot even think, let alone get together all of the paraphernalia they would need to tie a man down, pour hot wax on him and stab him 200 times. Even when they`re in another state and another city, they`re too afraid to even pull out their credit card because they`re afraid they`re going to get in trouble for making an expenditure. They cannot make decisions for themselves.

I think what we`re seeing is the rare female sociopath who inflicted pain and had power over the man because it gave her pleasure.

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GRACE: Just 27 years old, she ended up stabbing her husband over 200 times. His body, buried in the back yard, only uncovered by the family dog who partially chewed off husband`s left hand while uncovering him. Long story short, she claims that after tying her husband to the bed for what promised to be quite an evening, dripping hot wax all over his body, she then suddenly had a break with reality and stabbed him 200 times.

To Dr. Joshua Perper, chief medical examiner, author of "When Doctors Kill." Dr. Perper, his body was riddled with stabs, riddled, head to toe - - stomach, genitals, even his feet. When do you think, Dr. Perper, he finally lost consciousness?

DR. JOSHUA PERPER, BROWARD COUNTY CHIEF MEDICAL EXAMINER: Well, what I think that`s obviously this indicates a homicidal assault with a great degree of rage. And it cannot in itself determine whether it was prepared or not. But considering that the victim was tied, and therefore could not assault the woman, and therefore was no abuse at the time when the person was killed.

GRACE: I just can`t imagine, Eleanor Odom, what he went through, lying there, seeing the knife raised over his head over and over, over 200 times.

ODOM: I know, Nancy. Think about it, Nancy, the time it takes to do 200 stab wounds. She`s going at him for quite some time. And that takes some strength, as well.

GRACE: Out to the lines. Brenda in New York. Hi, Brenda.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hi, honey! I think that she deserves to go to jail because there are lots of battered women all around the world, and that`s just no excuse, you know what I`m saying? So...

GRACE: Here`s the deal, Brenda. Under the law, self-defense is accepted as a total defense. A complete defense is self-defense. However, self-defense is -- you`re not allowed more force than is necessary. In other words, if he hits her, she can hit him back. She can`t then shoot him with an Uzi, which is basically what she did this time.

Back to Bethany Marshall. Dr. Bethany, even now, she`s still sticking to the story of break in reality.

MARSHALL: Well, that`s what we call malingering, Nancy. Malingering is when you make up a fictitious illness in order to get out of some consequence or penalty, and the fictitious illness is that she had a break from reality and that she had battered wife syndrome.

And Nancy, I do work with battered women. It is a syndrome. It is not a formal mental diagnosis. It`s only considered related to post- traumatic stress syndrome. And when you have post-traumatic stress, you`re detached, you have psychological numbing. You`re not enraged, you are so detached, again, as I said earlier, you can`t think. The psychic numbing gets in the way of taking action. This kind of brutal rage attack, I would look at this through the lens of torture and sadism, rather than self- defense.

GRACE: And look at the difference of how she presents around the time of the incident and how she is presenting in court. Now her hair has gone brown. She`s wearing glasses. And take a look at this! She`s a blonde bombshell. Come on! That`s some kind of trial strategy.

And Dr. Bethany, don`t go crazy with this next question, OK? Try to restrain yourself. But what are the psychological implications of her tying her husband to the bed, dripping hot wax on him and then murdering him?

MARSHALL: The psychological implications for her or for him?

GRACE: For her.

MARSHALL: For her, that she wants to be in a position of power, that she`s a sadist, that she wants to see the fear in his eyes, that she has explosive personality disorder, that she has problems with the prefrontal cortex, meaning that she has impulse control problems. And basically, I would think of this as a torturous rage attack with incredible satisfaction that goes along with it.

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GRACE: We are taking your calls right now. We are talking about the "blue-eyed butcher." The "blue-eyed butcher" -- that`s a good title. She allegedly tied her husband up to the bed, her young husband. And then 27- year-old mommy of two proceeds to not only pour hot wax all over his body for what promised to be a rollicking night, but then proceeded to stab him over 200 times. In fact, we`ve gotten so many different numbers about how many times she stabbed him -- it`s because they couldn`t tell, he was stabbed so many times. The number keeps getting bigger and bigger. I`m going to stick with 200. After that, does it really matter?

To Jay Salpeter, private investigator, former NYPD homicide detective joining me out of New York. Jay, I don`t understand why if the family dog could find this guy, what was the hold-up? Why was it over a week before law enforcement did?

JAY SALPETER, FORMER NYPD HOMICIDE DETECTIVE: Well, I`ll tell you, I think the police investigation here could have been a nil (ph) investigation. You know, her defense is absolutely BS, but it`s the only defense that she has. I`d like to know if she had help here. I mean, if she did have a boyfriend, we would have been investigating other things, not waiting for a body to show up. You know, she might have had help. That body weighed a lot. To move that body outside and put it in the ground, you know, there could have been assistance here. And I think the police work was very poor here and the house should have been searched. Whenever you have a missing person, the first thing you do, regardless, a child or adult, is search the property.

GRACE: You know, Jay Salpeter, we learned that only too well in the JonBenet Ramsey case, where they didn`t search for hours on end a particular room down in the bottom of the home, which apparently, the family forgot about. Long story short, Jay Salpeter -- and I`m not attacking the police at all. I`m on their side. Let me just put that out there, but -- she`s the killer, not them. However, I`m surprised it took a dog -- not a K9 dog -- excuse me, not a scent dog, not a cadaver dog, not an evidence dog, a police dog -- a dog, the family dog, OK, to find him when police couldn`t find him. He`s right there in the back yard. His hand is sticking up out of the dirt.

SALPETER: Well, thank God his hand was sticking up and the dog found it or went after (ph). Who knows if he would have ever been found. This could have been a missing person, and this woman could have got away with this. They definitely should have brought equipment in, checked the property.

GRACE: We are taking your calls. And Eleanor -- Eleanor Odom, what about her makeover for court? What happened? See the blonde bombshell down on the bottom? That`s her, Eleanor.

ODOM: Well, of course, the defense wants to portray her as mousy as possible, as pitiful as possible, so they can float the battered woman defense.

GRACE: They did a good job.

ODOM: They sure did, Nancy. And who knows if those glasses are just, you know, cosmetic, they may not even be necessary. Plus, there`s no hair dye in prison.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Susan Wright admitted she tied her husband, Jeffrey Wright, to their bed and stabbed him nearly 200 times. Susan Wright has claimed the bruising was from physical abuse by Jeffrey Wright, a claim disputed today by his own brother. Susan Wright cried.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He was not a perfect person. But I know that he loved his wife and I know he absolutely adored his children.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Susan Wright admitted she tied her husband, Jeffrey Wright, to their bed and stabbed him nearly 200 times.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Jeff Wright, the decedent, loved to use women as punching bags.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Stabbed him nearly 200 times. The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals granted Wright a new punishment trial because it found she had ineffective counsel. Her first lawyer Neal Davis did not call two expert --

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GRACE: We are taking your calls. For those of us just joining us, a then 27-year-old mom of two, a gorgeous Texas beauty, now called the "blue- eyed butcher" after she allegedly ties her husband, her young husband, to their bed, drips him with candle wax for a rollicking evening ahead.

It was rollicking, all right. She stabbed him over 200 times, needless to say, he`s dead. But that`s just icing on the cake. She buries him on the backyard, he`s only detected when the family dog digs him up by pulling, chewing on his left hand.

To Joe Gomez, KTRH Newsradio, take us back to that night. How was she finally apprehended? I mean, obviously the dog hadn`t caught on, we never would have.

JOE GOMEZ, KTRH NEWSRADIO: That`s right. You know had the dog never found her husband`s body buried in the backyard -- by the way, in a hole that he dug. He dug that hole himself not days ago because he was going to put a fountain or something in the backyard like that.

Had the dog not found the body, police would have never recovered it, they may never pinned it back to Susan Wright.

You know the horrible part about this is that her two baby kids were asleep like angels in their beds in the same house that this murder happened. While she was to put candle wax on her husband`s body, stabbed him over 200 times, her two babies, not feet away or asleep like angels in their own beds.

GRACE: And let me ask you something, Joe Gomez. Joe, joining us there live in Texas, KTRH Newsradio.

Joe, what happened to the children? Who`s taking care of them while mommy`s behind bars on this?

GOMEZ: Right. While the mother is behind bars right now it`s -- you know, it`s their in-laws and Susan`s own mother that apparently are trying to help raise these two kids. You know, just recently, I mean they showed testimony of her little boy talking -- when he was 4 years old, they were talking about, you know, this murder and what happened. How his reaction was to it. He said that he did see bruises on mommy`s legs and that -- the little boy also admitted that apparently Susan`s husband had hit him before with a closed hand.

GRACE: OK, well, so he got the death penalty. I guess that`s what you`re telling me, Joe Gomez.

Joe, did you just say this, did I miss it? You know the husband dug the hole himself? She arranged --

GOMEZ: Dug the hole himself.

GRACE: Digging the hole himself for some kind of yard work, and she used it to bury him in it. OK.

GOMEZ: Yes, isn`t that -- that`s the --

GRACE: Out to the lines, Anna, Wisconsin. Hi, Anna.

ANNA, CALLER FROM WISCONSIN: Hi, Nancy, I was just wondering, was this woman on any kind of psych medication or seeing a psychiatrist?

GRACE: What do we know? Out to you, Jean Casarez. I`ve heard nothing about any kind of mental disturbance.

JEAN CASAREZ, LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": No, nothing at all. Nancy, we`ve got to remember, we`re in the state of Texas right here, and I`m licensed in Texas.

And in Texas, when something is so atrocious and so cruel that aggravator is something that is really focused on by the prosecution. And remember, when she tied her husband to the bed he was very much alive when that hot wax was poured all over his body.

GRACE: Jean Casarez, joining us from "In Session." Out to the lines, Jackie in Michigan, hi, Jackie.

JACKIE, CALLER FROM MICHIGAN: Hi, Nancy, first I want to say, I love the show. And I degree with you 99.9 percent of the time. And I think this woman is crazy for what she did.

But I have a question. I was abused as a younger woman for eight years. I was terrified to tell anyone in my family. But I wonder, did anyone in her family, just family, know of the abuse? Because my abuser, their family did know.

GRACE: Joe Gomez, what do we know? Other than a little boy now being -- now saying he saw bruises on her legs. Was there ever any outcry at all to a friend? I mean, surely it would have come out by now.

GOMEZ: Right. You know, well, Susan Wright`s mother says that she saw bruises on her body a lot. She`s claimed that Susan, you know, would wear long clothing that would conceal a lot of parts of her body because she was ashamed of the bruises.

Now an interesting part also was that her husband at work, apparently a co-worker of her husband, says that he would overhear occasionally, while Susan Wright`s husband was talking on the phone with Susan, that she`d be shouting at him on the phone. So you know, there`s evidence on both sides here. I mean it`s really -- it`s hard to tell.

GRACE: Well, you know, Dr. Bethany, what do you make of that? A battered woman shouting and screaming at her husband on the phone?

BETHANY MARSHALL, PSYCHOANALYST, AUTHOR OF "DEALBREAKERS": Abused women do not normally shout at their husbands. They do not want to incite the husband to violence.

And give me a break about Susan`s mother. Of course her mother is going to come to her defense. What I`m really worried about is if the grandmother is raising these children, what is the grandmother telling them about what happened to mommy and daddy? Is it myth or is it truth?

GRACE: Out to the lines, Noelle in Texas, hi, dear.

NOELLE, CALLER FROM TEXAS: Hi, Miss Grace. I`m calling to ask if there was any evidence for or against her being beaten, which I guess you kind of already answered. I was just wondering because you seem to be making a lot of assumptions about the subject.

GRACE: No, I`m not making any assumptions other than the fact that we have heard nothing to support that claim yet. We may hear it.

Everyone, you are taking a look at Susan Wright, then 27 years old. Tied her husband to the bed and then ends up stabbing him over 200 times.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Charlie sheen drunk and naked.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Twenty-two-year-old porn star impact his probation.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Reportedly finding him naked and acting erratically in a trashed hotel room.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He`s walking away scot-free.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Porn star Capri Anderson --

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Reportedly tearing up a New York hotel room.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Cops say they found him drunk and naked.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you`re on probation, it`s a fancy way of saying that your butt belongs to the courts.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Apparently this actress said at the time that she was not being held against her will. Maybe that story is changing.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Emotionally disturbed, goes ballistic in a New York City hotel room.

CAPRI ANDERSON, ACTRESS: Capri Anderson.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nice to meet you. How old are you?

ANDERSON: I am 18 years old.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you are how tall?

ANDERSON: 5`6".

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What is your ancestry? Where do you get your looks?

ANDERSON: I am Welch.

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GRACE: That is one of Capri Anderson`s auditions from TMZ.

Straight out to Alexis Tereszcuk, reporter, Radaronline.com, joining us out of L.A.

Alexis, what does she have to do -- take out an ad on Fifth Avenue stating, I am a criminal, please put me in jail?

ALEXIS TERESZCUK, REPORTER, RADAROLINE.COM: He definitely has gone on a party binge this week.

GRACE: OK. Tell me what happened.

TERESZCUK: OK. He was in -- he was out to dinner with some friends, and --

GRACE: Whoa. Whoa. Didn`t that include his former wife, Denise --

TERESZCUK: Denise Richards, absolutely.

GRACE: Richards.

TERESZCUK: His ex-wife. They -- yes. They were in town promoting her new television show. Their kids were in town. Sunday they actually went and saw a play. They saw "Mary Poppins" as a family. There were adorable pictures. They were all getting along very well. Denise went to dinner with them.

GRACE: Except for the -- except for the porn star across the hall hiding naked in the bathroom. Except for that, they`re all doing great. Thanks, Alexis.

OK. Back to reality. They`re not all doing well. My daddy`s across the hall having a rampage, jerking down a chandelier in the Plaza Hotel. Must have cost thousands of dollars. Ripping the room up. Accusing this woman of stealing one of his watches. Apparently he has a multimillion- dollar watch collection?

OK. Right there this guy`s got a problem. A multimillion-dollar watch collection?

OK. Take it from there, Alexis. But don`t paint the family picture you`re trying to pull over on me. Everything is not OK. All right? Daddy and the porn star. No.

TERESZCUK: He`s in the hotel room with this porn star. And he actually also accuses her of stealing his wallet. He goes insane, gets incredibly angry at her. She says that -- the story has actually changed on her part a couple of times.

At first she wasn`t afraid, now maybe she is afraid. She locked herself in a bathroom, and then 911 was called. The police arrived. They actually found Charlie naked and the room, as you said, was trashed. He --

GRACE: Wait a minute, I thought the woman was naked?

TERESZCUK: No, Charlie was naked.

GRACE: Oh, OK. Yes, I go to just soak that in for a moment.

OK, Alexis Tereszcuk. Why did he go to New York hospital instead of the jail?

TERESZCUK: The police actually spoke with him, and I believe they gave him that option. His rep told us that he had an adverse allergic reaction to some medicine. But --

GRACE: Wait, wait, wait. Did you just say that -- did you just say he had an allergic reaction? OK. That`s like the fourth thing I had to call you on. Now you`re saying Sheen may have had an allergic reaction.

We`re taking your calls. Out to Sheeba --

TERESZCUK: No, no.

GRACE: -- in Illinois. Hi, Sheeba.

SHEEBA, CALLER FROM ILLINOIS: Hi, sweetie. It`s been a long time.

GRACE: Long time no hear.

SHEEBA: Hey, I`m sending your kids something, too, baby.

My question is, why is he so entitled? You haven`t heard a word from his dad here. Is it a fact that we`re maybe giving our kids too much too early?

GRACE: Well, I don`t know. He`s not a kid any more, he`s 45 years old, he`s pushing 50, and he`s still tearing down a chandelier in the Plaza Hotel without his clothes on with a hooker? Excuse me, porn star hiding in the bathroom?

She`s very adamant, I want to point out, that she is not a hooker. She is a porn star. Now when asked, Alan Duke, entertainment reporter, CNN Wire, about his daughter -- everybody, there is Capri Anderson with Denise Richards. That`s a shot I`m sure Richards will want to hold on to.

Alan Duke, what did the father of this girl say about her livelihood?

ALAN DUKE, ENTERTAINMENT EDITOR, CNN WIRE: Well, the person I`ve spoken to is her representative. And he says that she`s just a young girl in a bad situation. And was pretty scared. This person didn`t tell me anything about what her livelihood was, but we do know that she is an actor in adult films. Whether she`s a star or not, that might be just an opinion.

GRACE: Yes, OK. So it`s your opinion she may not be a star in the pornographic film industry.

DUKE: Well, I don`t know.

GRACE: Thank you, Alan.

OK, Tereszcuk. The father, her father, Capri Anderson`s father was approached. Do you -- are you familiar with this?

TERESZCUK: I actually --

GRACE: Go ahead.

TERESZCUK: I actually am the one that spoke with him last -- I spoke with him last night myself. I reached him on the telephone --

GRACE: I was a little stunned. What happened, Alexis?

TERESZCUK: He actually told me he had not heard that she was the woman with Charlie, but he had heard about the incident. You know what he told me? He said if she had told me that, I never would have believed she was with Charlie Sheen.

GRACE: What about the part that she`s a porn star? I understand that he didn`t know she was a porn star. Well, he knows now.

TERESZCUK: He -- I told him that she had been a porn star and that in fact that had been perhaps been called a prostitute. He said that he didn`t know what she did. He said she was an aspiring actress, but he even said to me that she hasn`t really been successful at all in that.

He also said he really didn`t want to know what she did. And he said that he doesn`t go out with her. So, you know, he`s 74 years old. He may not be completely aware of what she does. She just may not have told him.

GRACE: OK. You know, Liz --

TERESZCUK: He said he tried to talk to her.

GRACE: I`ve seen -- I`ve seen enough of Miss Capri Anderson, but thanks so much, Liz, for sharing -- yes, you can take that down now. And that one, yes, down.

I`m talking about Charlie Sheen, Elizabeth. I`m waiting on you. I`m going to wait. Yes, OK.

Out to the lines, Linda, Louisiana. Hi, Linda.

LINDA, CALLER FROM LOUISIANA: Hi, Miss Grace.

GRACE: Hi, dear. What`s your question?

LINDA: My question is, when are they going to make -- just because these guys are stars they need to be held accountable for their actions and drug abuse is no excuse.

GRACE: Good question. Unleash the lawyers, Eleanor Odom, felony prosecutor, Atlanta, Alex Sanchez, defense attorney, New York, Renee Rockwell, defense attorney, Atlanta.

What about it, Eleanor?

ELEANOR ODOM, PROSECUTOR: Well, certainly he should be charged with criminal damage to property for the damage in the hotel room. That`s charge number one. There could be something with the female he was with.

He`s also violating probation especially if he tests positive for alcohol and drugs. But we may never know that because he wasn`t taken to jail.

GRACE: Wasn`t he tested -- didn`t he test positive for cocaine?

ODOM: I think he may have tested positive for cocaine. And if he did, though, Nancy, that`s a violation of his probation and he can be revoked on that.

GRACE: Alexis Tereszcuk, did he test positive for cocaine? Or did he admit using cocaine?

TERESZCUK: I don`t believe he admitted using cocaine, but we reported yes, he did test positive for cocaine. You`re absolutely right.

GRACE: I understand Charlie Sheen actually texted you over at RadarOnline? And what did he have to say?

TERESZCUK: He did. He said he was fine. He said the story has been overblown and it was overplayed. That he wasn`t really -- it wasn`t -- what he thought had happened. The stories out there were overblown.

GRACE: Really. So he didn`t think that the porn star was hiding in the bathroom? He didn`t think he was naked and tore the whole room up, and tore down a chandelier at the Plaza Hotel?

Are you kidding me? He didn`t think any of that happened?

You know, I`m going to go to Dr. Joshua Perper, chief medical examiner and author of another book, his new one, "When Doctors Kill."

Dr. Perper, he`s blaming this rampage -- can you imagine, Dr. Perper, how do you get a hold one of those chandeliers anyway, jump off the bed and make a leap for it? How can that be an allergic reaction?

DR. JOSHUA PERPER, MEDICAL EXAMINER, AUTHOR OF "WHEN DOCTORS KILL": It cannot be an allergic reaction. But individual who take cocaine can become very aggressive.

Cocaine is a stimulant. And some of this individual develop an extreme stage of violence and aggressivity which is called excited delirium. The temperature can go very highly up, and sometimes they need medical treatment.

And some of them dive when the police tries to restrain them. So if he took cocaine, this might be a reaction to cocaine, not necessarily allergic. But based on the stimulant property of cocaine, which affects some people very extremely.

GRACE: Thank you, Dr. Perper.

According to the wires, Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst, author of "Dealbreakers," Sheen admits to, quote, "drinking booze and doing cocaine that night," but told cops he, quote, "wigged out," because his wallet and cell phone had gone missing.

Later sources say he thought the woman had taken his watch. He says he wigged out because he thought she stole from him.

MARSHALL: Well, I think he became quite paranoid and the possibility -- because we do know that cocaine, illicit sex, prostitutes, dangerous activities, do go hand in hand. Doctor Perper talked about the excitability that they have when they`re on stimulants.

The fact is that he might have held out his watch collection. He might have shown her his wallet. He might have promised her money and then went into a paranoid state when she tried to take advantage of it and the characteristics of addicts, a sense of victimization, oh, she took my wallet. It was all her fault. Denial and lack of insight into negative consequences.

GRACE: To the defense attorneys, Renee Rockwell and Alex Sanchez.

Renee, just hold this image of Sheen butt naked, leaping off the hotel bed to grab a hold of that chandelier. OK, what`s your defense?

RENEE ROCKWELL, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, if he would have grabbed her and beat her beyond recognition, then you`d be fussing about that. OK. So he`s a gorgeous girl and maybe his --

GRACE: Yes, so? Those are my two choices? He could either beat her or tear up the room? Isn`t there a better alternative, Renee, like behave?

ROCKWELL: Well, I mean, he thought his watch went missing or that his wallet went missing, and so I think, and he made the better move. The problem is he`s on probation --

GRACE: So he made the better move to tear up the hotel room?

You know, Alex, please do better than that.

ALEX SANCHEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes, I will. You know if he had committed any of those crimes how come the hotel didn`t have him arrested? And if they had him arrested maybe he would have violated probation, but the hotel brought no charges against him, Nancy. Don`t forget to mention that.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The drama surrounding actor Charlie Sheen`s wild night in a ritzy New York hotel room may be growing. Will a move by the woman who was in his room that night, a 22-year-old porn star, impact his probation?

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GRACE: Alexis Tereszcuk, how, if at all, will this affect his probation? I mean, he just got probation, which was a stunner, after attacking his wife, the mother of his two little twin girls, reportedly almost strangling her. He just got probation for that. Now this.

TERESZCUK: Well, his probation is supposed to end just next week. But what she has been talking about doing is that she wants to fly herself all the way to Colorado and talk to the district attorney out there and tell him what happened.

He actually said that it`s a New York issue and that she is to stay in New York but she is pretty adamant about the fact that she`s going to go there and talk to them, and explain that she was afraid and that she terrified when she was locked in the room with him being all violent.

GRACE: So, bottom line, Eleanor, do you assume the Colorado authorities are going to do nothing?

ODOM: Probably not, Nancy, especially if there is only a week left on probation.

GRACE: Let`s stop and remember Army Specialist Christopher Dickison, 26, Seattle, Washington, killed Iraq. Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Army Commendation medal, Army Service ribbon.

Loved golf, craftsman tools, his Ford pickup, dog Jesse. Dreamed of attending the engineering program at University of Washington. Leaves behind grieving mother, Lee, five brothers, four sisters, including twin Rhonda, fiance Magdalene.

Christopher Dickison, American hero.

Thanks to our guests but especially to you for being with us. Happy birthday to Atlanta defense attorney Renee Rockwell, a Louisiana Cajun, she`s one of six. Take a look at her beautiful mother there. She loves her two dogs, Didio (ph) on red, he comes hunting. Followed her husband to Atlanta to take the courthouse by storm.

When I first saw her in court she was wearing purple boots at a time we couldn`t even wear long pants in front of a judge. I knew right then Rockwell was a keeper.

Happy birthday, beautiful Renee.

And to New York friend Barbie Smith, mother of three, grandmother of six, loves baking cookies, volunteering at church, drives in the country, and ice cream.

Happy birthday, Barbie.

Everyone, I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp, Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.

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