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Natalee`s Mother Confronts Joran in Prison
Aired November 17, 2010 - 20:00 ET
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NANCY GRACE, HOST: Breaking news tonight in the disappearance of Alabama beauty Natalee Holloway, missing from her high school senior trip, Aruba. Aruban police refuse to make a case against judge`s son Joran Van Der Sloot, even after he admits he hid the body. In a stunning twist, American tourists stumble across a human jawbone on the Aruban beach, same strip where Natalee last stayed, leaving her luggage packed, ready to go home. They take that jawbone to the hotel front desk. It`s flown to NFI, the Netherlands Forensic Institute. What we know, it is the jawbone of a young adult white female. Have the remains of American girl Natalee Holloway been found?
Bombshell tonight. At this hour, as we go to air, DNA results expected to be announced at any moment. Tonight, primetime exclusive. We obtain the bone-chilling video inside Castro Castro prison. Natalee`s mother sneaks in behind prison walls to confront Joran Van Der Sloot for the murder of her girl, Natalee, and it`s all caught on secret tape. Tonight, we have the video.
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BETH TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S MOTHER: I have not any hate in me, Joran, I have none. I`m here because, Joran, I know you want your life back.
JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: I hope you can understand also, it`s very hard - - hard for me to talk to you.
TWITTY: You`re looking at spending the rest of your life in prison, Joran.
VAN DER SLOOT: It`s really not easy. I`m really doing my best...
TWITTY: It`s not too late for you, Joran, to get your life back.
VAN DER SLOOT: I know you have a very good hard. I know that. I know that for a fact.
TWITTY: I want to know what happened and I want to (INAUDIBLE) Joran.
VAN DER SLOOT: I`ve made so many bad decisions and all for the wrong reasons.
TWITTY: Tell me what happened and let me take her home.
TWITTY: I`ve told so many lies and other stuff just so I`d have money and I could go gamble.
TWITTY: If it was an accident, tell me.
VAN DER SLOOT: I should have learned from my mistakes.
TWITTY: I`m begging you, please, Joran. Just please.
VAN DER SLOOT: (INAUDIBLE) I owe you.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: And tonight, live, LA, murder in Hollywood. Just after leaving a star-studded red carpet premiere of Cher and Christina Aguilera`s new movie, "Burlesque," the gury (ph) to the stars, a Hollywood PR beauty gunned down in a hail of bullets fired into her luxury Mercedes as she drives through million-dollar mansions. Beverly Hills tonight. Did PR maven Ronni Chasen know a little too much about certain Hollywood stars?
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is a bizarre case, really straight out of Hollywood.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A high-powered Hollywood insider.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hollywood publicist who worked really on some of the biggest movies in history.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gunned down in her Mercedes-Benz.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was shot in Beverly Hills on Sunset Boulevard.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This photo was taken just before she was killed because minutes after leaving.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: World premiere of the musical "Burlesque."
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Someone opened fire on her car.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Police received a call about shots fired.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our paramedics responded to the location.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The bullet shattered the passenger side window and struck her.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Someone fired at least five shots into her chest.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Bizarre, horrific crime.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And then they found Chasen`s Mercedes slammed into a light pole.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She was pronounced dead shortly after.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No indication that she knew anything was coming.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Who did this?
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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. We obtain bone-chilling video from inside Castro Castro prison. Natalee Holloway`s mother sneaks in behind prison walls to confront Joran Van Der Sloot. This as we wait for DNA results on the jawbone just discovered on the Aruban beach by American tourists. But now, we have the video. Natalee`s mother faces off behind prison walls with Joran Van Der Sloot.
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TWITTY: Just listen to me for just a couple minutes. I have not any hate in me, Joran. I have none. I have none for you because I don`t know you, Joran. And I`ve driven around all damn day looking for a Three Musketeers, and I couldn`t find one. So I got a Milky Way and I made a Xerox copy and wrapped it so you`d know that I`m -- I`m here because, Joran, I know you want your life back. You`re looking at spending the rest of your life in prison, Joran. And I know you want to make a plea deal in Peru and in Aruba, in the U.S. And I`ve met with the prosecutors and I`ve met with the Flores family.
And Joran, I won`t do anything until I get some information about Natalee, but it`s your life. It`s too late for Natalee. It`s too late for Stephany. It`s too late for me. But it`s not too late for you, Joran, to get your life back. And how can -- you can sit here for the rest of your life and I can sit here for the rest of my life.
It`s -- you can make some choices here, Joran, and you can make the right decisions. You have your whole life ahead of you. And I want to know what happened and I want to move on, Joran. I want to move on. You know, I want to, you know, move on in my life. And I cannot close the book. And I feel as if -- we`ve lost your father. We`ve lost another young girl. Joran, you don`t need to lose your life here in prison and be sitting here when you`re 60 years of age and insisting to me that you don`t know what happened.
If it was an accident, tell me. You know, I don`t know. I don`t know, but I am -- I`m here.
VAN DER SLOOT: I hope you can understand also it`s very hard -- hard for me to talk to you. This is really not easy. I`m really doing my best to -- I know you have a very good heart. I know that. I know that for a fact. And I don`t know if you would mind just giving me some -- I really have been thinking a lot, and just giving me some time to think. And I promise you, even if you give me your address, I will write you.
TWITTY: OK, OK.
VAN DER SLOOT: I promise you, I will. It`s just not something that`s easy...
VAN DER SLOOT: OK.
VAN DER SLOOT: ... or something like that, but I really do promise you I will write to you. I owe you at least that. I mean, I`ve made so many bad decisions, and all for the wrong reasons. I hope you know that I`m really a very addicted person, especially to gambling. I mean, that`s why I`ve told so many lies and other stuff just so I`d have money and so I could go gamble. That`s honestly the truth behind the reasons why I did all those things, even how horrible they were. But I promise you, if you give me your address, I will write to you.
TWITTY: OK, I will. I will. And is this your attorney`s number?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes.
TWITTY: All right. I don`t really understand what this means, but you know, I think that you might. And I just wanted to get face to face with you. And you know, I feel like, when I go back in time Joran, you know, five years ago, I`m thinking -- you know, I felt like -- I felt like you didn`t listen to me then. And I wanted to just, let`s -- you know, tell me what happened and let me take her home.
VAN DER SLOOT: That`s always been my problem. I`ve never listened to anyone who`s meant well for me. I`ve always done what I myself wanted or what I myself thought was best. And even after I should have learned from my mistakes, still always the same stuff. Now I`ve had a lot of time here also now to think and do other stuff. And I really do -- I really do want to write to you. I just need some time to think about how -- what I want to say.
TWITTY: OK. And I...
VAN DER SLOOT: And I would appreciate it if you`d give me that also.
TWITTY: I will. I will. And I really -- so you know why I`m here.
VAN DER SLOOT: I do know why you`re here.
TWITTY: I want to know answers and I want to know what happened.
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, he promised me we could only have five minutes.
TWITTY: OK. All right.
VAN DER SLOOT: (INAUDIBLE) something to write your address down for me? (INAUDIBLE)
TWITTY: A pen? I`m just going to put down my e-mail, OK? And I`m just -- I`m thanking you, please, Joran, just please...
VAN DER SLOOT: All right. I really promise you I will (INAUDIBLE) I really do know you have a good heart. It is the least that I owe you, for sure.
Is this mine?
TWITTY: Yes.
VAN DER SLOOT: Thank you.
TWITTY: OK.
VAN DER SLOOT: I don`t really know the significance behind the Three Musketeers, though. Should I? Should I know it?
TWITTY: Well, I didn`t know it, but I thought maybe you would.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: We are taking your calls. Straight out to Jean Casarez, legal correspondent, "In Session." Jean, is Natalee`s mother, Beth Twitty, trying to suggest that she is going to have a role in any plea negotiations?
JEAN CASAREZ, "IN SESSION": You know, Nancy, this is rarely seen footage that we all have been able to watch for the first time, your primetime exclusive that you have been able to get, really shows from the heart that I think she`s using some psychology. She also has said that she has spoken with prosecutors. And she puts it on the table that he wants a plea deal and she`s trying to go along with it, but she wants answers from her heart.
GRACE: Well, it suggests to me that she believes that she -- well, she says, I met with prosecutors, I met with Stephany Flores`s family, his other murder victim, and I haven`t, quote, "done anything yet." In other words, say, Lock him up and throw away the key, show him leniency, bring him back to the States. Nothing. She says, I haven`t done anything yet.
What could her role be? What is she offering or threatening in this? She`s trying to get answers.
CASAREZ: She`s trying to get answers. I think she`s using psychology. What is she threatening? If you don`t tell me, then prosecutors will prosecute to the fullest extent of law.
GRACE: We are taking your calls.
Right now, straight out to Jossy Mansur, managing director and publisher, "Diario." "Diario" has been covering this story from the very, very beginning, and has been there right when American tourists stumbled on what many people believe to be Natalee Holloway`s jawbone. At this hour, the DNA results are in. We are waiting to get our hands on the results to show, is this jawbone definitively that of Natalee Holloway?
Jossy, what`s the reaction in Aruba tonight?
JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING DIR. AND PUBLISHER, "DIARIO" (via telephone): Well, it`s raised a lot of interest here. Everybody`s waiting for news from Holland. We thought we would get something today, but probably tomorrow we`ll have more news than we have now.
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VAN DER SLOOT: That`s always been my problem. I`ve never listened to anyone that`s meant well for me. I`ve always done what I myself wanted or what I myself thought was best. And even after I should have learned from my mistakes, still always the same stuff. Now I`ve had a lot of time here also now to think and to do other stuff. And I really do -- I really do want to write you. I just need some time to think about how and what I want to say.
TWITTY: OK.
VAN DER SLOOT: And as I said, I would appreciate it if you would give me that also.
TWITTY: I will. I will. And I really -- so you know why I`m here...
VAN DER SLOOT: I do know.
TWITTY: I want to know answers and I want to know what happened.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: So basically -- to you, Ellie Jostad -- this was set up to kind of be a sting because we see the journalist Peter De Vries in the other room, and he`s having a fit at one juncture. What was happening?
ELLIE JOSTAD, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Right, Nancy. Well, we had his part of it translated, and it sounds like what -- they came into this with a game plan, and the game plan was they were going to get some answers out of Joran Van Der Sloot. And when he says, I`m going to write you a letter, I`m -- let me -- give me some time, let me write you a letter...
GRACE: Ellie, he`s had five years!
JOSTAD: Exactly.
GRACE: How much more time does he need?
JOSTAD: Exactly. Well, so what you see on Peter De Vries`s face is frustration that he`s not going to give her answers right now, and that Beth Holloway seems to be saying, OK, OK. And he says, you know, She didn`t come all the way here to be told off like that and to give up with a letter.
GRACE: Yes, I mean, this guy, writing a letter? Are you kidding me? That`s never going to happen.
JOSTAD: Right.
GRACE: With me right now is a special guest joining us out of Memphis, Tennessee, Linda Allison. This is Natalee`s aunt. Ms. Allison, thank you for being with us.
LINDA ALLISON, NATALEE HOLLOWAY`S AUNT: Thank you for having me on.
GRACE: What was Beth`s plan, her intention, when she went to Castro Castro to confront Joran Van Der Sloot?
ALLISON: Well, I haven`t had a chance to talk to Beth specifically about that. I have seen her in the last few weeks, but it would just be speculation on my part that if there`s ever an opportunity to maybe get a confession maybe during this time, he might be able to provide some light to what happened to Natalee.
GRACE: Ms. Allison, how is the family reacting to the discovery of this jawbone on an Aruban beach?
ALLISON: Well, it has been one of those situations where we`ve been down this road before -- as you know, many times before -- and we`ve anticipated each time that we`ve had a situation come up, a discovery, and only to be very disappointed to find out that we weren`t any further along than we were five years ago.
But I think in this situation, it`s being taken maybe a little bit more seriously by the prosecuting attorney, which has us, I guess, a little more nervous this time about this jawbone that`s been found and the DNA testing, especially how quickly that they`ve moved on this. Apparently, they`ve seen a forensic expert there in Aruba who has determined that it is a human jawbone. And now I think the big question is, whose jawbone is that?
GRACE: With us right now, Heather Walsh-Haney, forensic anthropologist, Florida Gulf Coast University. She`s joining us from Ft. Myers via Skype. Heather, explain to me again how is it that you can determine that this is not only human but it is a white female young adult?
HEATHER WALSH-HANEY, FORENSIC ANTHROPOLOGIST: Nancy, the way that we do that, first to determine that it`s female, is we`re going to look at the chin area. And as you can see on this example of a lower jawbone that I`m holding here, in females, right on the midline -- which would be here in my own face -- we tend to have a pointier chin. In males, the chin itself tends to be very broad, where you have two little bumps on either side of that midline.
The other thing that these forensic experts are doing is they`re evaluating the age of the jawbone by looking at something like this, the dental development. Here what we can see is that all teeth form first by the crown, then by the roots. We know how to age somebody by the development of those teeth relative to one another.
We can also tell the ancestry or race (INAUDIBLE) or bumps (INAUDIBLE) on those teeth. So it sounds to me, with the ability of these forensic experts to come out and say that they have a female, that it`s a young adult, and that this person is most likely white or of European ancestry, that they have a jaw that they either have the lower jaw or upper jaw and that it is relatively intact.
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TWITTY: You know, I want to, you know, move on in my life. And I cannot close the book. And I feel as if -- we`ve lost your father. We`ve lost another young girl. Joran, you don`t need to lose your life here in prison and be sitting here when you`re 60 years of age and insisting to me that you don`t know what happened. If it was an accident, tell me. You know, I don`t know. I don`t know. But I am -- I`m here.
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GRACE: We are on a DNA watch. We are waiting for the results of that human jawbone found by American tourists on the Aruban beach. Is it Natalee`s? We know it`s a white female young adult. If it`s not her, who is it?
There`s no suggestion, is there, Jossy Mansur, that there`s another dead or missing woman in the area?
MANSUR: That we know of, no. Absolutely none.
GRACE: To Jean Casarez. It`s my understanding -- it`s been reported that when Joran Van Der Sloot heard about the jawbone, he started laughing.
CASAREZ: And that comes from his own attorney, Maximo Altez. Altez went to Castro Castro and told him that they had found this jawbone with a tooth attached. The result was he started to laugh and he just didn`t know why people were so concerned about it.
GRACE: You know what? Unleash the lawyers, Daniel Horowitz, Joey Jackson -- Horowitz, San Francisco, Jackson, New York.
Daniel Horowitz, of course, what your lawyer says cannot come in against you at trial. So I don`t know how prosecutors could get this in, but the fact that he started laughing that a jawbone may have been found of Natalee Holloway`s -- does he think it`s funny because he buried her body somewhere else?
DANIEL HOROWITZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, I don`t buy that that`s what the attorney said. You know, we have a language issue...
GRACE: No! No, no, no! No, no! That is what the lawyer...
HOROWITZ: No.
GRACE: Well, no! No, Daniel!
HOROWITZ: I don`t buy it, Nancy.
GRACE: Daniel...
HOROWITZ: Did you hear him say it?
GRACE: That is completely unreasonable...
HOROWITZ: I don`t think so.
GRACE: ... because Jean is fluent in the language. That is what he said.
HOROWITZ: Well, let me ask Jean this question then.
GRACE: Fine!
HOROWITZ: Did he say it in English so that there might be a translation problem? Was he really saying something like, He just didn`t think it was a serious...
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GRACE: Go ahead, Jean.
CASAREZ: Daniel Horowitz, let me tell you that Nancy Grace`s producers are the finest that you`re going to find, along with "In Session," where I work. And what they know -- they spoke with him, and that`s what he said. And guess what?
HOROWITZ: I don`t buy it.
CASAREZ: He speaks English.
HOROWITZ: I don`t buy it.
GRACE: OK, to you, Joe Jackson. Let me put it all at rest. He said it in English! He told us in English. Now you want to try and claim a language barrier? Go ahead! Say it on national TV. Watch every one of your clients cut your services tomorrow!
JOEY JACKSON, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, Nancy, I certainly don`t want to claim a language barrier. I don`t think it`s appropriate to laugh under any circumstances. He shouldn`t have done it. The lawyer shouldn`t have leaked it. But it certainly doesn`t mean that he`s guilty of doing anything.
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VAN DER SLOOT: OK. Yes, he promised me we could only have five minutes.
TWITTY: OK. All right.
VAN DER SLOOT: Can you write your address down for me?
TWITTY: A pen? I`m just going to put down my e-mail, OK? And I`m just -- I`m begging you, please, Joran, just, please.
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. All right. I really promise you, I have a lot of time to think and I really do know you have a good heart and it is the least I owe you.
(END OF VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: We are taking your calls, but right now I want you to see this in full. As we wait for the DNA results to come back on that human jawbone found on an Aruban beach, we believe the DNA results are in, but they have not been conveyed to us or to the Aruban prosecutors yet.
We`ll bring that to you as soon as we get it. In the meantime, we have just obtained this exclusive video of the confrontation between Joran Van Der Sloot and Natalee`s mother. This as we wait on the DNA results of that jawbone.
And when you see this man in the lower box, he set up the sting. The hidden camera. And he is reacting to the fact that Van Der Sloot is not giving Beth Twitty anything.
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TWITTY: Just listen to me for just a couple minutes. I have not any hate in me, Joran. I have none. I have none for you, because I don`t know you, Joran. And I`m driven around all damn day looking for a 3 Musketeers, and I couldn`t find one, so I got a Milky Way and I made a Xerox copy and wrapped it so you`d know that.
I`m here because, Joran, I know you want your life back. But you`re looking at spending the rest of your life in prison, Joran. And I know you want to make a plea deal in Peru, and in Aruba, in the U.S.
And I`ve met with the prosecutors and I`ve met with the Flores family. And Joran, I won`t do anything until I get some information about Natalee, but it`s your life. It`s too late for Natalee. It`s too late for Stephany, it`s too late for me.
But it`s not too late for you, Joran, to get your life back. And how can -- you can sit here for the rest of your life, and I can sit here for the rest of my life. It`s -- you can make some choices here, Joran, and you can make the right decisions. You have your whole life ahead of you.
And I want to know what happened, and I want to move on, Joran. I want to move on. You know, I want to -- you know, move on in my life. And I cannot close the book. And I feel as if we`ve lost your father, we`ve lost another young girl.
Joran, you don`t need to lose your life here in prison and be sitting here when you`re 60 years of age and insisting to me that you don`t know what happened. If it was an accident, tell me. You know, I don`t know. I don`t know. But I am -- I`m here.
VAN DER SLOOT: I hope you can understand also it`s very hard -- hard for me to talk to you. This is really not easy. I`m really doing my best to -- I know you have a very good heart. I know that -- I know that for a fact.
And I don`t know if you would mind just giving me some -- I really have been thinking a lot, you know, just giving me some time to think. And I promise you, if you give me your address, I will write you.
TWITTY: OK.
VAN DER SLOOT: I will.
TWITTY: OK.
VAN DER SLOOT: I promise you I will, it`s just not something that`s easy or something like that. But I really do promise you that I will write you. I owe you at least that. I mean I`ve made so many bad decisions and all for the wrong reasons.
I hope you know that I`m really a very addicted person, especially to gambling. I mean that`s why I`ve told so many lies and other stuff, just so I could have money so I can go gamble with.
That`s really honestly the truth of behind the reasons why I did all those things, even how horrible they were. But I promise you if you give me your address, I will write to you.
TWITTY: OK. I will, I will. And that is your attorney`s number?
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. This is his phone number.
TWITTY: All right. I don`t really understand what this means but, you know, I think that you might, and I just wanted to get face to face with you and, you know, I feel like when I go back in time, Joran, you know, five years ago, I`m thinking, you know, I felt like -- I felt like you didn`t listen to me then, and I wanted to just -- let`s, you know, tell me what happened and let me take her home.
VAN DER SLOOT: That`s always been my problem. I`ve never listened to anyone who`s meant well for me. I`ve always done what I myself wanted, or what I myself thought was best and even after, I should have learned from my mistakes.
Still, always, the same stuff. Now I`ve had a lot of time here also now to think and do a lot of other stuff. And I really do -- I really do want to write you. I just need some time to think about how -- what I want to say.
TWITTY: OK. And I --
VAN DER SLOOT: And I would appreciate it if you would give me that also.
TWITTY: I will. I will. And I really -- so you know why I`m here.
VAN DER SLOOT: I do know why you`re here.
TWITTY: I want to know answers and I want to know what happened.
VAN DER SLOOT: OK. Yes, he promised me we could only have five minutes.
TWITTY: OK. All right.
VAN DER SLOOT: Will you write your address down for me?
TWITTY: A pen? I`m just going to put down my e-mail, OK? And I`m just -- I`m begging you, please, Joran, just, please --
VAN DER SLOOT: Yes. All right. I really promise you I have a lot of time to think and I really do know you have a good heart and it is the least that I owe you, for sure. Is this mine?
TWITTY: Yes.
VAN DER SLOOT: Thank you.
TWITTY: OK.
VAN DER SLOOT: I don`t really know the significance behind the 3 Musketeers, though. Should I know it?
TWITTY: Well, I didn`t know it, but I thought maybe you would.
(END OF VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Beth Twitty breaks down in tears and has to leave the room. She`s probably wondering why she didn`t just put both hands around his neck and give him a little finger necklace.
I want to go out to you, Marc Klaas. Did you hear him say, "That`s why I did all the horrible things I did because I was addicted to gambling?" I mean he`s admitting to the things that he did. The murders.
MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: Yes. He`s confessing, isn`t he?
I think what we need to remember here is that, number one, Beth is not a trained interrogator or a trained interviewer. Number two, she`s in a position she`s wanted to be in for a long time now, face-to-face with the guy that she knows murdered her child.
And I believe -- and I don`t know this for a fact, but I believe that she felt that if she changed tact, that if she got angry, he would do one of two things. He would either bolt or -- remember who this guy is. He`s a guy who, when he gets really, really angry, kills women.
He could easily have attacked her and snapped her neck. He`s a huge, strong man, and she`s a petite, small woman.
GRACE: You`re right, Marc Klaas. He is, as they say in the newspapers there in Peru, a hulking Dutchman. And I think that you`re right. I think she was afraid to push him too far or show any anger. She was keeping it all in so she could try to get something out of him. The moment she became angry, if she did, he would completely turn off.
But I mean, to you, Lauren Howard, you`re the psychotherapist joining us out of New York. He looked bored the whole time. He was sitting there, just playing her. Come on, "write a letter"?! When hell freezes over.
LAUREN HOWARD, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Not happening. That`s not happening. She was so nervous. This was a moment that she had waited for so long. And she was so nervous and so wanted to get it right, and she had an agenda here. She wanted to get the -- it was set up to get information. He gave nothing and he will give nothing.
His affect is flat, emotionless. He is complete -- you know, he gives gamblers a bad name. All of a sudden a gambling addiction creates a murderer? I don`t think so. It creates a liar.
GRACE: A double murderer.
HOWARD: Thank you.
GRACE: And not only that, Lauren Howard, his complete disrespect, complete disregard. He looks over at the prison official, who now, by the way -- Jean Casarez can tell you about this -- is under investigation. I think he`s been suspended. This was his office he allowed this to happen in.
But he looks over at him and goes, I thought you told me I only had to do this for five minutes.
HOWARD: Yes. Get me out of here. Yes, yes. Get me out of the hot seat.
GRACE: I mean, complete disregard for what the mother is going through. Total disregard.
HOWARD: Complete. All -- you know, just lots of politics, lots of polite. Nothing. He gave nothing.
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VAN DER SLOOT: I`ve made so many bad decisions and all for the wrong reasons. I hope you know that I`m really a very addicted person, especially to gambling. I mean that`s why I`ve told so many lies and other stuff, just so I could have money so I can go gamble with.
(END OF VIDEO CLIP)
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TWITTY: You`re looking at spending the rest of your life in prison, Joran, and I know you want to make --
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GRACE: We are taking your calls.
Liz, keep that up while I`m taking the calls.
To Kathy in Kentucky. Hi, Kathy.
KATHY, CALLER FROM KENTUCKY: Hello, Nancy. I`ve always wanted to talk to you.
GRACE: Thank you for calling in. What`s your question, dear?
KATHY: Yes, Nancy, do you remember the second girl he killed? He hit her in the face with his elbow. Do you think he could have busted Natalee`s jaw and caused her to have a seizure and she died that way, by beating her into the face?
GRACE: You know what, Kathy, that`s entirely possible.
Let`s go to Dr. Leigh Vinocur, University of Maryland School of Medicine in Baltimore.
What about that theory, Dr. Vinocur?
DR. LEIGH VINOCUR, M.D., UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND SCHOOL OF MEDICINE: Well, it`s hard to tell from just having a section of the jaw exactly what the cause of death was. But -- and he probably would have had to do a lot more than break her jaw. I don`t know if she had seizure disorders, was that an issue with her.
GRACE: It was not.
VINOCUR: Yes, and you know, you wouldn`t cause -- you`d have to hit somebody on the head very hard, then you could have a seizure. But sometimes even that impact seizure isn`t enough to kill someone. It`s the head injury itself.
And from just a piece of the jaw, I don`t even know if they have the whole lower jaw, because they only have one tooth. It`s really hard to tell. You can identify human, animal remains, you can identify dental records if it matches up, but to really get cause of death, and then, of course, DNA but --
GRACE: Right. Out to the lines. Dorothy in Illinois. Hi, Dorothy.
DOROTHY, CALLER FROM ILLINOIS: Hi, Nancy. I love you, first.
GRACE: Thank you.
DOROTHY: I have a comment and a question.
GRACE: OK.
DOROTHY: The man who murdered really Natalee Holloway, I really believe it from the evidence that just washed ashore. He is a liar.
And one more thing, Nancy, I`ve been trying to contact you myself. I need help here in Chicago. I have a situation where my son has been injured and removed after the school teacher struck him and gave him an injury to the skull.
And I know you don`t have time to address this right now, but my contact number is 773 --
GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Unless you want a string of people calling you on the phone, hold on. Don`t hang up, Dorothy in Illinois. I`m going to give you right now to a producer and they`re going to take all your information and get your whole fact scenario for me to look at tonight.
I`ll look at it tonight after the show. Don`t hang up, Dorothy.
Liz, do you have her? OK.
Emily, North Carolina. Hi, Emily? I think I`ve got Emily with me. Hi, dear, are you there?
EMILY, CALLER FROM NORTH CAROLINA: Hey, yes. How are you?
GRACE: I`m good, dear. What`s your question?
EMILY: OK, my question is. I have -- I changed my question. OK, had these tourists not found the jawbone and had it been the police or whatever -- officials -0-- do you think they would have done away with the jawbone? Just to keep publicity out?
GRACE: You know what, Emily in North Carolina, there was a time when I would have, you know, pooh-pooh`d your question, but after I saw what they did to the two security guards at the get-go.
Remember the two black security guards that they had arrested, practically had them convicted at the get-go? They had nothing to do with this. After that, I became acutely suspicious of them, and now that I`ve personally spoken with Natalee`s mother and father, yes, I would not be surprised if they "lost" the jawbone, or just said, oh, it doesn`t look human to me, and tossed it back into the water.
They didn`t even go out there and look when the next tide came in after this jawbone was discovered. They didn`t even so much as kick the sand with their toe, Emily in North Carolina.
So, yes, I praise the Lord that these tourists from Massachusetts found it and not the cops. Because once they brought it to the hotel front desk, you couldn`t cover that up. I just want it to get -- the evidence to get back and to get identified safely.
We think it made it to the Netherlands Forensic Institute, fingers crossed.
Grace in Texas. Hi, Grace. Grace? Are you there? Do you have a question?
GRACE, CALLER FROM TEXAS: Hi, gorgeous earth angel, you are my hero.
GRACE: That`s funny. Thank you. What`s your question, dear?
GRACE: I just wanted to know, do we know where the jawbone now -- this jawbone is being sent for DNA? Because I`m thinking if it`s Aruba, could it be tainted, the results?
GRACE: Oh, no, no, no, it`s sent to the Netherlands Forensic Institute at The Hague. If any tampering was done, it would -- I don`t think it would have been done there. We know that an object made its way there and we can only hope for the best. That it was the jawbone that was found on the beach.
Everybody, we`re quickly switching gears. Stay with us. We`re going to murder in Hollywood. Take a listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Who shot to death a well-connected, well-liked Hollywood publicist?
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Ronni Chasen. A veteran showbiz publicist.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A fixture on the Academy Award circuit.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Someone who`s classy, respected, trusted. One of the best in the business.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Gunned down in her Mercedes Benz early this morning and then crashed into a light pole in Beverly Hills.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Someone shot several times in her Mercedes.
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GRACE: Straight out to L.A., a PR guru, a Hollywood beauty. Did she know too much about the Hollywood star? She just died last night after a premiere event.
What do we know, Alexis Tereszcuk? She was just coming off working on Cher`s new music "Burlesque"? I think I have Alexis Tereszcuk joining me out of L.A.
Let`s try Alexis Weed in New York.
What happened, Alexis?
ALEXIS WEED, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Right, Nancy. Ronni Chasen was on her way home from a movie premiere. She also attended an after-party at the W Hotel in Hollywood.
She -- as far as we can tell from report, she got in her car, she left. She -- about five miles away, apparently on her way home to her condo there in Beverly Hills, she was found with multiple gunshot wounds, Nancy, to her chest.
GRACE: With me is a very special guest tonight, Josh Sabarra. He is a Hollywood publicity executive. Knew and worked with Ronni Chasen.
You know, when a PR person is gunned down in a hail of bullets, driving along in a neighborhood full of multimillion-dollar mansions, all right? People can hear the gunshots.
Who would have done something like this to her? She`s very close with so many celebrities. What was she like? And who were some of the celebrities that were attached to her work?
JOSH SABARRA, HOLLYWOOD PUBLICITY EXECUTIVE, KNEW & WORKED WITH MURDERED PUBLICIST, RONNI CHASEN: You know, Nancy, Ronni was a true veteran PR person. She was, you know, very tenacious as most PR people are, but in a very endearing way that really charmed most people who knew her and worked with her.
She worked on such -- contemporary classic movies as "On Golden Pond" with Katharine Hepburn and Jane Fonda up to current movies like "Wall Street 2" with Michael Douglas.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: This is a bizarre case. Really straight out of Hollywood.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: A high-powered Hollywood insider.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Hollywood publicist who worked really on some of the biggest movies in history.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Gunned down in her Mercedes Benz.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Police received a call about shots fired.
SGT. LINCOLN HOSHINO, BEVERLY HILLS POLICE DEPARTMENT: Our paramedics responded to the location.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The bullet shattered the passenger side window and struck her.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Someone fired at least five shots into her chest.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Bizarre, horrific crime.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: And then they found Chasen`s Mercedes slammed into a light pole.
HOSHINO: She was pronounced dead shortly after.
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GRACE: We are taking your calls. Very quickly to Steve Kardian, former police detective, joining us at Defend -- from Defend University.
Steve, what are your observations about the attack?
STEVE KARDIAN, FMR. POLICE DETECTIVE, SELF-DEFENSE EXPERT, LEAD INSTRUCTOR AT DEFEND UNIVERSITY: Well, Nancy, it was within close proximity to the car, so -- and we could look at a number of things. We could look at a carjacking went wrong, we could look at a robbery went wrong, but most likely they`re looking at a hit.
And he was close enough to hit her five times. There`s going to be ballistic evidence, there`s going to be DNA evidence, possible shell casings. And he was very close in proximity to when -- where he shot her.
GRACE: And Alexis Tereszcuk, Radaronline.com, out of L.A., it`s not a carjacking, it`s not a robbery because she was still in her Mercedes and nothing was stolen.
ALEXIS TERESZCUK, REPORTER, RADAROLINE.COM: Absolutely. Her purse was still in the car. The police have told us they have absolutely no suspects right now but they did go directly to her office and to her home and they gathered a lot of evidence for this case.
GRACE: To Sergeant Lincoln Hoshino, Beverly Hills Police Department. What more do we know today, Sergeant?
HOSHINO: Well, it`s an ongoing active investigation. We don`t have a whole lot of information. The motive is unknown. We don`t have any suspects that we`re looking at or have identified.
You know, the case is still being actively looked at and it is a wide open investigation.
GRACE: Tip line, 310-288-2656.
Let`s stop and remember Army Staff Sgt. Russell Verdugo, 34, Phoenix, Arizona, killed Iraq. Awarded the Bronze Star, Purple Heart, four Army Commendation medals, and achievement medals, buried at Arlington.
Loved paint ball, computers, cooking, photography, nighttime photos of Washington monuments. Leaves behind parents Susan and Neil, brothers John, Rudy and Eric, widow, Carrie.
Russell Verdugo, American hero.
Thanks to our guests but especially to you. And a special good night from friends Brenda, Eva, Anna, Jarrett, Cheryl, Ester and Chris. Now there`s a good looking bunch.
Happy birthday to Florida friends, Steve Johnson, newlywed to wife Jenny. Loves his painting business and putting on fireworks shows.
And thank you to Massachusetts friend Teresa Walsh for these blankets she made for the twins. She loves to crochet while she watches the show.
Everyone, thanks for being with us. I`ll see you tomorrow night, 8:00 sharp Eastern. And until then, good night, friend.
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